[12:06] <Riddell> opensource: it's better
[12:06] <Riddell> still not as nice as the old one
[12:06] <Riddell> what's wrong with the one on kubuntu.org?
[12:07] <Riddell> the current one has 3 different shadow effects going on :)
[12:12] <opensource> the artist is still working on the logo
[12:12] <opensource> but this one is temporary
[12:14] <Riddell> I actually have a slightly newer version of the kubuntu logo I need to start using
[12:14] <Riddell> opensource: who's the artist?
[12:14] <opensource> I will mention the kubuntu.org image to him.  Just need to change the background color, and add the word forums
[12:15] <opensource> ereicesque
[12:15] <opensource> ericesque
[12:20] <opensource> Riddell: how can bring ideas to developers to be implemented into Kubuntu?  I have a forum for requests and new features.  There are a few requests posted in it.
[12:23] <Riddell> freeflying_: woo!
[12:23] <freeflying_> Riddell: thx
[12:23] <\sh> freeflying_: congrats (again from me :))
[12:24] <freeflying_> \sh thx again  :)
[12:24] <Riddell> opensource: URL?
[12:24] <opensource> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?board=48.0
[12:25] <opensource> I haven't really looked them over or compiled them, but I was just wondering who I could approach about requests in general?
[12:27] <Riddell> opensource: me :)
[12:27] <Riddell> if it's something like include package X then any MOTU (me, \sh, pef, raphink, Tonio_ etc)
[12:28] <Riddell> if it's tweaking default settings or default packages probably me
[12:28] <Riddell> if it's fixing bugs then launchpad.net or do it yourself for best response
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not a MOTU for the moment ^^
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: wait a bit ;)
[12:29] <\sh> Tonio_: you are a MOTU :) but in the moment, you don't have the upload rights, but it's only a matter of time 
[12:29] <Tonio_> \sh: thanks ;)
[12:30] <raphink> :)
[12:31] <opensource> ok thanks, I will keep this info in mind
[12:32] <Riddell> opensource: if there's stuff on the forums you think the developers should see do pop in here and point us to it
[12:32] <Riddell> developers don't tend to use forums too much for whatever reasons
[12:33] <Riddell> opensource: new logo I'm ment to use http://kubuntu.org/art/kubuntu-dapper.png
[12:33] <Riddell> spot the obvious mistake there, sheesh
[12:35] <Riddell> hmm, those adverts on the forums are getting more invasive :)
[12:37] <opensource> Yeah I think I am going to drop the one below the logo.  Next to user info.  I have to run for now, class is over
[12:38] <Riddell> opensource: cheereo, thanks again for your kubuntu forums work
[12:39] <opensource> no problem, i enjoy it and i am learning alot as well
[12:41] <allee> Tonio_, freeflying_ : congratulation
[12:41] <freeflying_> allee: thx
[12:46] <Tonio_> allee: thanks a lot ;)
[12:47] <Tonio_> allee: and what about you ? how can YOU not be a member, a MOTU, a DD or something ? ;)
[12:49] <Riddell> good question
[12:49] <freeflying_> allee: yep
[12:49] <allee> Tonio_: Why, well I missed the opertunity when amu asked me ages ago.  now that you applied and mako raised the standard for wiki pages...
[12:50] <\sh> I wonder where amu is hiding anyway...need to call hom
[12:50] <\sh> him even
[12:50] <allee> Seriously: My work is almost invisible.  No dozends of pkgs, no 1200 forum entries, ...  I think 'thin' is the word mako used
[12:51] <freeflying_> allee:  :)
[12:52] <Tonio_> allee: ^^
[12:53] <Tonio_> allee: how many of us did you help during packaging ? that counts also....
[12:53] <allee> thx
[12:53] <Tonio_> allee: the world work to much on what is "visible"... :)
[12:55] <allee> well if people here think that lots of allee++ outweight the 'thin' visibility ...
[01:03] <\sh> allee for president
[01:03] <allee> \sh lol
[01:04] <allee> \sh so sabfld(sp?) position is vacant?
[01:04] <Riddell> I think dictator is above president
[01:04] <\sh> sabdfls position can't be vacant...he is a step above a president...:)
[01:05] <allee> okay let's start small and just apply to kubuntu team :)
[01:10] <Riddell> We received a request from the user named 'allee
[01:10] <Riddell> (allee)' trying to join the team 'Kubuntu Team'
[01:10] <Riddell> ok people, do we like this allee chap?
[01:21] <\sh> Riddell: well..if he's not annoying...take him :)
[01:22] <\sh> and he must sign the code of Konduct ,)
[01:22] <allee> \
[01:23] <allee> \sh: i'm trying.  Complains no pubkey, strange
[01:23] <Riddell> allee: have you uploaded your key to launchpad?
[01:23] <\sh> allee: you didn't upload your privkey?
[01:24] <allee> \sh: I hope not.  don't make me nervous
[01:24] <\sh> off to bed...cu later today
[01:24] <\sh> allee: import your pubkey to LP :)
[01:24] <allee> nite \sh 
[01:24] <allee> \sh did ages ago
[01:28] <JRe> Riddell: have tested a bit Keep ?
[01:29] <Riddell> JRe: no, busy with kde 3.5.1 and koffice buliding today, tomorrow I will
[01:29] <Riddell> and please test KDE 3.5.1 on dapper folks!
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't test on dapper cause it doesn't work on my laptop, but I'd be glad to test breezy backports if any....
[01:29] <Riddell> mornfall: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/28018
[01:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: what doesn't work on laptop?
[01:31] <Tonio_> hum, when I migrate to dapper, I lost my network card, graphic card, wifi card ;)
[01:31] <Tonio_> I think the intel chipset is simply not detected.....
[01:31] <Tonio_> I didn't try with a dapper-fly cd
[01:32] <allee> Tonio_: ipw2200 works fine here with dapper
[01:32] <Tonio_> I will try one of those days and eventually post a bug...
[01:32] <crimsun> Tonio_: today has been full of changes; the dbus, hal, sysvinit, ifupdown, etc. changes have contributed to some "breakage"
[01:33] <Tonio_> allee: chat is it ?
[01:33] <Tonio_> s/chat/what
[01:33] <Tonio_> crimsun: I must say I think I updated just when there was a problem with xlibs lol
[01:33] <allee> Tonio_: wifi part of intel chipset
[01:33] <allee> but rest works too.
[01:34] <Tonio_> allee: ah okay !
[01:34] <Tonio_> anyway, I will test again with a flight-cd, and eventually updating again....
[01:39] <mornfall> Riddell: that's because i forgot to remind you that you should also bump build-depend in adept from libapt-front >= 0.3.5 to >= 0.3.5ubuntu2 (since 0.3.5ubuntu1 >= 0.3.5)
[01:39] <mornfall> Riddell: when it gets built with new libapt-front, it should be magically fixed
[01:41] <Riddell> mornfall: do I have that new libapt-front?
[01:48] <mornfall> Riddell: i am almost sure i told you to get it from debian :-)
[01:48] <mornfall> i am surprized it even built
[01:50] <Riddell> blurg, ok I'm too sleepy
[01:50] <Riddell> too long watching kde 3.5.1 compiles scroll by :)
[01:51] <JRe> :)
[01:51] <mornfall> :-)))
[01:51] <mornfall> i can feel your pain
[01:51] <mornfall> elenna says hello too
[01:51] <mornfall> we are studying for modal and temporal logic exam tomorrow
[01:52] <mornfall> err today
[01:52] <mornfall> 10am
[01:53] <Riddell> temporal logic sounds a bit sci-fi to me
[01:53] <Riddell> good luck elenna!
[02:32] <raphink> Riddell: or here maybe :)
[02:33] <Riddell> raphink: hi
[02:33] <Riddell> if you're quick
[02:34] <raphink> sure
[02:34] <raphink> we're talking with tonio about konq-kim
[02:34] <raphink> dunno if you had a look at it sometime in the past
[02:34] <raphink> to remind you really quick
[02:34] <raphink> kim is a set of servicemenus for konqueror
[02:34] <Tonio_> yep, I think inclusion in kubuntu-default-settings could be a nice idea :)
[02:34] <raphink> to manage images from the file view
[02:34] <raphink> it's very nice and powerful
[02:34] <Riddell> I think it clutters the right click menu too much for default inclusion
[02:35] <raphink> but upstream had not taken my patches and applied GPL properlyy
[02:35] <raphink> I just spent my evening on this program
[02:35] <raphink> Riddell: how about modifying it for inclusion?
[02:35] <raphink> Riddell: as it is, the upstream doesn't have time anymore for it
[02:35] <Tonio_> raphink: already responded ;)
[02:35] <raphink> he's asking for a new maintainer
[02:36] <raphink> so we might actually develop it inside kubuntu 
[02:36] <raphink> taking only the basic parts to not make it too heavy by default
[02:36] <allee> raphink, biased ;) : I think, it would be better to write a cmdline app that uses kipi-plugins
[02:36] <raphink> allee: what I see is that kim exists
[02:37] <raphink> I use it almost daily and it totally changes my way to deal with images in KDE
[02:37] <allee> kipi-plugins too ;)
[02:37] <raphink> what do they allow?
[02:38] <allee> apt-cache show kipi-plugins  # me is pround of the long description ;)
[02:39] <raphink> kipi-plugins work in konqueror?
[02:40] <allee> no ;) missing peace is the command line wrapper that feeds the file names into the plugin
[02:40] <raphink> s/peace/piece/
[02:41] <allee> right :)
[02:41] <raphink> ok
[02:41] <allee> then we would have 5 apps using the same plugins (and hopefully a bit more interest in developing more/new kipi-plugins)
[02:41] <raphink> I think I'm fine with Kim as long as there is no such piece released for kipi plugins
[02:42] <raphink> and I'm no dev really
[02:42] <allee> me too :(
[02:42] <raphink> so in the meanwhile I'll get kim in
[02:43] <allee> raphink: fine.  I just want to mention it, if you think about:
[02:43] <allee> [02:36]  <raphink> so we might actually develop it inside kubuntu
[02:43] <allee> that work is better invested in a cmdline tool.
[02:43] <raphink> yes you're right
[02:45] <allee> time for some sleep.  Nite everyone
[02:45] <raphink> yes
[02:45] <raphink> night
[02:46] <allee> nite raphink 
[03:21] <Tonio_> nite all ;)
[04:25] <spstarr_home> maximizing/windows seems to randomly trigger it's demise :)
[01:40] <raphink> Riddell: could you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1612 please?
[02:56] <Riddell> raphink: ok
[02:57] <Riddell> raphink: fancy packaging kdbus?
[02:57] <raphink> huh?
[02:57] <Riddell> http://rohanpm.net/kdbus
[02:57] <raphink> what is that?
[02:57] <Riddell> like kdcop but for dbus
[02:58] <raphink> nice
[02:58] <raphink> I'll have a look later on
[02:58] <raphink> I'm writing a guide for reviewing
[02:58] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide
[02:58] <raphink> just began
[02:58] <raphink> ;)
[03:00] <Riddell> raphink: great
[03:00] <raphink> you like it?
[03:00] <raphink> This is gonna be a huge guide :)
[03:01] <allee> raphink: Pre-existence of the package section should have it's own page.  It's usefull at several places and as far AFAIR I've seen at least 3-4 variant of them
[03:02] <raphink> hmm ok
[03:02] <raphink> well we can section this guide later on
[03:02] <raphink> in several pages
[03:02] <raphink> so far I want to work on it this way, I can split it later on
[03:02] <allee> yeap
[03:02] <raphink> or there's always a way to refer to this section from another page
[03:02] <Riddell> I think MOTUReviewingGuide is a handy page to have it on if the other pages would link to there
[03:02] <raphink> that was my guess too
[03:05] <allee> 'k.  mentors have/use 2 standard URL for the 'license' section and at least one URL for 'what a reviewer should check'.  If you don't have them I can look them up.
[03:11] <raphink> yes I know the two urls
[03:11] <raphink> I plan to use them too
[03:16] <allee> raphink: mhhmm, fwiw I assume ReviewGuide will be terse or checklist like than e.g. PackagingGuide.  So I assume there is at least the need for 2 variants of 'check for exsiting deb'. Or it's possible to 'highlight' the checklist to it's easy to skip the 'why' explanations with the eye then one version maybe enough.
[03:17] <raphink> what do you mean?
[03:20] <allee> raphink: as you mention in the page, the one doing reviewing should know why he/she is checking for this and that.  No not much that much explanation is necessary that in the PackagingGuide that need to also to teach why to do it this or that way.
[03:20] <raphink> ic
[03:20] <raphink> well if it's too much, I guess people can read fast ;)
[03:20] <raphink> I like to give reasons
[03:21] <raphink> and if people consider this guide is too huge, they will remove parts of it
[03:21] <raphink> it's a wiki :)
[03:22] <allee> So my 'I assume' was wrong. np ;)
[03:32] <Riddell> raphink: E: Package mjpegtools has no installation candidate
[03:32] <raphink> really?
[03:32] <raphink> hmm maybe it's in multiverse
[03:32] <raphink> do you have multiverse on?
[03:33] <raphink> I should have mjpegtools recommended, since it's only for one or two functions
[03:33] <raphink> minor ones
[03:34] <Riddell> so long as there's a sane error message if it isn't installed
[03:35] <raphink> mhm
[04:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about something
[04:06] <Tonio_> actually when you change a few parameters in font settings, or color sheme, that doesn't apply for "kdesu" launched apps....
[04:07] <Tonio_> isn't there a way to "bind" the root profile to the local one, only for specific files, which wouldn't cause any danger
[04:08] <Riddell> I don't konw of any such way
[04:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm gonna check if that possible in any way...
[04:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: If you want something really homogenous, it is a pain copying those files in the root profile manually each time
[04:14] <Tonio_> hh
[04:30] <Tonio_> hum Riddell, I just checked different possibilities, and I found something interesting
[04:30] <Tonio_> using sudo adept for example, I get my profile settings, meaning the $HOME is set to /home/me
[04:31] <Tonio_> using kdesu it uses /root
[04:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that normal, kdesu limitation, or simply not implemented ?
[04:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: using sudo means you'll end up with files in your home directory that are owned by root such as ~/.ICEauthority
[04:34] <Riddell> which breaks any subsequent programs you run
[04:35] <Riddell> I've reently changed kdelibs to just set $HOME to root when run as uid 0
[04:41] <Tonio_>  Riddell that sound indeed logic....
[04:53] <mdz> Riddell: what does kdelibs-bin need with netpbm?  can that dependency be avoided?
[04:56] <Riddell> mdz: it's used for image thumbnails I think
[04:56] <Riddell> mdz: netpbm is in main though isn't it?
[04:58] <mdz> Riddell: it is, but if possible we would prefer that it weren't
[05:10] <Riddell> mdz: it looks like it isn't used any more
[05:10] <mdz> Riddell: score
[05:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: I'm sorry
[05:33] <jpatrick> I let you all down...
[05:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdbus : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1613
[05:37] <Riddell> jpatrick: no you didn't :)
[05:37] <Riddell> jpatrick: we still love you
[05:37] <jpatrick> can't they have more reasonable times?
[05:38] <Riddell> the times move about
[05:38] <jpatrick> but not in my favour
[05:39] <Riddell> next one is at midday UTC
[05:39] <jpatrick> oh crap
[05:39] <jpatrick> can't go
[05:41] <jpatrick> oh dear.
[05:45] <jpatrick> can't they accept via wikipages?
[05:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: not really, they need to be able to chat to you
[05:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: don't you have internet access at school?
[05:46] <jpatrick> email?
[05:47] <jpatrick> Riddell: I don't have computer lesson at that time
[05:47] <Riddell> but that's 13:00 in spain, should be siesta time or lunch time?
[05:48] <jpatrick> no
[06:01] <nlindblad> jpatrick: how are you?
[06:01] <nlindblad> Riddell: how are you?
[06:01] <jpatrick> nlindblad: not in a good mood
[06:02] <nlindblad> :(
[06:02] <Riddell> nlindblad: I'm fine
[06:02] <Riddell> and it's burns nicht
[06:02] <jpatrick> Riddell: they changed the logo at KubuntuForums
[06:03] <nlindblad> my "to do" list is way too long
[06:05] <Riddell> jpatrick: to the one with three different shadow effects
[06:05] <Riddell> four if you count the lack of shadow on "forums"
[06:10] <nlindblad> damn this constant beep
[06:10] <nlindblad> it's getting louder
[06:10] <Riddell> nlindblad: which?
[06:11] <nlindblad> the constant beep inside my head
[06:13] <nlindblad> quite annoying sometimes
[06:13] <Riddell> I'd imagine it would be
[06:14] <nlindblad> today for the first time I actually heard it during a not that loud conversation
[06:14] <jpatrick> right...
[06:15] <nlindblad> and once it gets a bit louder, it's that loud until it gets louder
[06:15] <nlindblad> no way of stopping it
[06:15] <jpatrick> :|
[06:16] <nlindblad> I just can't remember what silence is like
[06:22] <nlindblad> probably the right place to complain about my life though
[06:22] <nlindblad> s/the/not the/
[06:24] <Riddell> sounds like a job for a doctor
[06:40] <jpatrick> np: Amateur Transplants - London Underground
[06:40] <jpatrick> ;)
[06:49] <Riddell> pef!
[06:50] <Riddell> pef: did't you have a speedcrunch 0.7 package?
[06:50] <pef> package to upload ?
[06:50] <Riddell> to review
[06:51] <pef> Riddell: no, to package :) but you said there is a problem about qt4 and Dapper
[06:51] <pef> so I stopped any work on it
[06:52] <nlindblad> Riddell: been to a doctor several times
[06:52] <Riddell> pef: I was thinking we could rename it speedcrunch-qt4 or something
[06:53] <Riddell> have it in universe
[06:54] <pef> Riddell: and consider it as a new package ? so we will have speedcrunch (qt3) and speedcrunch-qt4
[06:55] <Riddell> pef: yes
[06:55] <jjesse> Riddell: upgraded to kde 3.5.1 for dapper and no problems
[06:55] <Riddell> dunno, may well be not worth it
[06:55] <Riddell> jjesse: excellent
[06:55] <Riddell> jjesse: does kmail work?
[06:55] <pef> I find that a bit confusing for end user
[06:55] <jjesse> Riddell: trying it right now
[06:56] <Riddell> pef: ok, lets just leave it then
[06:56] <pef> Riddell: it's just my opinion ;)
[06:57] <pef> that's not because I'm lazy :]  (had to found a hack because of CFLAGS being dropped by cdbs)
[07:01] <pef> Riddell: what's the problem with qt4 and Dapper ? too late ?
[07:04] <Riddell> pef: having two versions of the same library is frowned upon from a support view, and dapper is a long term supported release
[07:05] <pef> 5 years, isn't it ?
[07:05] <Riddell> yes
[07:06] <pef> Riddell: have you already investigated the adept crash "when click on fetching updates" issue ?
[07:07] <Riddell> pef: yes, I need to update libapt-front, which I'll do in about 5 minutes
[07:07] <pef> ok :)
[07:08] <mornfall> pef: it's fixed, no worries ;)
[07:10] <pef> mornfall: great :)
[07:40] <allee> oh, 5 not only 3 years
[07:43] <Riddell> 5 on the server
[07:43] <Riddell> qt probably isn't considered server though
[08:02] <allee> 30 2 or 4 core opterons count as server (no need for kde there:)  I cross my fingers that oracle zerfies on it. -> SLES go home
[08:13] <Riddell> there's a podcast from oracle the other day that talks about packages for kubuntu
[08:27] <allee> podcast?  Searched www.oracle.com for ubuntu without luck.
[08:27] <Tonio_> re
[08:36] <Riddell> yo Tonio_ 
[08:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: want to test the breezy packages?
[08:37] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[08:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course ;) I'm waiting for that for 2 days ;)
[08:37] <Tonio_> let's go
[08:38] <jpatrick> "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ breezy main"
[08:38] <jpatrick> or "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-lastest/ breezy main"
[08:39] <hunger> jpatrick: Will this go into dapper?
[08:39] <Riddell> latest doesn't point yet
[08:39] <Riddell> hunger: I need people to test the dapper packages too
[08:39] <allee> Riddell: where?
[08:39] <Riddell> and if they work I'll ask to put it into dapper
[08:40] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ ./
[08:40] <allee> upgradign ...
[08:42] <allee> koffice not ready yet?  krita: Kollidiert: koffice-libs (< 1:1.5.1) aber 1:1.4.2-3ubuntu8 soll installiert werden.
[08:42] <jpatrick> whatever that meant
[08:42] <jpatrick> ;)
[08:42] <allee> oh, shit. 
[08:43] <allee> krita uninstallable. conflicts with ((< 1:1.5.1)  but 1:1.4.2-3ubuntu8 is to be installed
[08:44] <Riddell> hmm, that's not good, I'll fix that allee 
[08:45] <allee> uhm LC_ALL and LANG setting ignored by aptitude. errmsg still german :(
[08:45] <hunger> Riddell: I am already downloading the dapper-testing debs:-)
[08:47] <Tm_T> heh, I'm using KDE 3.5.1 from testing debs
[08:47] <Tm_T> no problems noticed
[08:48] <hunger> Riddell: krita and koffice won't install due to version conflicts.
[08:56] <allee> koffice crashed on first start after I closed the slashscreen and the digikam project was reloaded ...
[08:56] <allee> s/koffice/kdevelop/
[08:56] <allee> when I started kdevelop the second, third time, no splash and not crash after project was loaded.
[08:57] <allee> fwiw.  that's without logout/in 
[09:00] <hunger> allee: So far I have not managed to have kdevelop not crash on me:-(
[09:00] <hunger> allee: No version of kdevelop ever worked here:-(
[09:01] <allee> hunger: :)
[09:02] <allee> okay time for reboot, can't hurt ...
[09:03] <hunger> Riddell: Everything upgraded fine (apart of koffice and krita).
[09:06] <tobias___> Riddell: All looks good so far.
[09:06] <tobias___> Riddell: cpu_freq is still broken in ksysguard...
[09:07] <jjesse> has anyone been following the discussion on shutdown on kubuntu-users group?  can someone confirm what is happening?
[09:08] <jjesse> kubuntu-users mailing list that is
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb with 3.5.1 on breezy for the moment
[09:13] <Tonio_> are there specific tests to perform ?
[09:13] <Tonio_> I can't find a decent changelog...........
[09:16] <Tonio_> except concerning bugfixes of course
[09:22] <jpatrick> I'm off
[09:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5to3_5_1.php
[09:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: dapper or breezy?
[09:29] <Riddell> tobias___: rather
[09:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: Breezy
[09:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, the changelog is about only bugfixes, that's why I couldn(t find anything else ;)
[09:32] <Riddell> it's a bugfix release :)
[09:43] <allee> no bugs yet here with 3.5.1
[09:50] <allee> oh :(  / /home /srv are again visible in media:/  again
[09:51] <allee> why isn't k3b the default app for blank CD media?
[09:59] <Sime> sebas: ping
[10:00] <Sime> sebas: als je een svn up doet van guidance, dan kan je displayconfig uitproberen en kijk of je nvidia gfxcard gevonden wordt.