=== mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@212.2.181.77] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] what products need testing right now? [12:20] like really lack testers [12:21] <\sh> edubuntu, kubuntu (install and live) === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.143.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] yay, dbus built !!! [12:28] finally :) === nnonix [n=null@247-32.ip.ll.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] Hurrah [12:31] Now test it :) [12:31] poningru: DVD images [12:32] mjg59, will do as sson as it hits the archive ... === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@HSE-Toronto-ppp315854.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === konsumer [n=konsumer@p54B6D404.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-77-36.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d14-194.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra kicks gconftool2 [12:53] updates take forever here since a while :/ [12:54] <\sh> ogra: don't complain i'm compiling vlc the 5th time now...and I'm going mad with this mozilla vlc plugin...# [12:54] <\sh> and building in a amd64 dapper chroot in i386 mode doesn't work [12:54] \sh, i had to update 240 packages yesterday ... [12:54] it took 4h [12:54] (20 min download time) [12:55] <\sh> ogra: you mean "download, unpacking, installing"? [12:55] there is certainly something wrong with gconf currently [12:55] <\sh> ogra: well..240 packages in one go makes this little portege so hot :) [12:55] patches are welcome [12:56] 20min download, 3:40 unpacking, installing [12:56] that's not likely to be due to gconf [12:56] seb128, i'll be annoyed enough to look into it soon [12:56] gconftool is seldom below 80% CPU utilisation [12:57] for 3 hours in a row? [12:57] and thats where it hangs ... for minutes [12:57] right, there is some slowdown issue atm, I think it's due to the base merge [12:57] i stopwatched 5min for the worst package [12:57] but 3 hours, hum [12:57] some go through in 1min [12:57] what kind of box is that? [12:57] ibook [12:58] G4 1.33, 1Gig [12:58] what package did 5min? [12:58] <\sh> well...I have to go to bed...tomorrow there will be a commercial being spread all over germany via mtv and viva...and I promised george to take care about his little quad xeon babies [12:58] phew, you can ask funny stuff ... [12:58] <\sh> or better today [12:58] something with gnome- [12:58] panel or session iirc [12:59] applets would be most likely to take some time [12:59] might also have been panel-data [12:59] or that, yes [12:59] session has almost no gconf keys and panel not that much [12:59] anyway it's on my list but low priority [01:00] i'd have guessed that it has to do with the gconf change, but this box is a flight2 install, there cant be any old gconf stuff [01:01] I think that's due to the schemas registration [01:01] new install or upgrade that's the same amonth of packages/schemas you get [01:01] i doubt it will disappear magically [01:02] me too [01:02] we have time to solve it after feature freeze :) [01:02] that's not a feature to fix that [01:02] it just *feels* like its getting worse [01:02] I don't think so [01:02] thus the *'s === ogra hits Keybuks shiny new recycle icon to test dbus ... === robertj [n=som@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] has shipping with pam_tally configured by default been discussed? [01:04] not that I know of [01:05] does it seem like a good idea? [01:05] don't ask me [01:05] I don't use pam stuff :) [01:05] err..? [01:05] you should probably mail the list about that [01:05] s/use/work on [01:05] hehe [01:07] anyway time to sleep here === dilinger [i=dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rikai-2 [n=gtk2@pool-70-105-244-62.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] mpfh [01:27] Keybuk broke my wlan :( [01:28] mjg59, suspend works fine, now the acpi-scripts need to learn not to override g-p-m, the lid switch selection still doesnt do what it should ... [01:30] hmm, why dont i have any sound anymore ... [01:31] while I am typing up this email should I bother to mention cracklib for outward facing services? === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D533.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rikai-2 is now known as rikai === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=null@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] ogra: The scripts /ought/ to do the right thing if g-p-m is running, I think [02:48] But yeah, that needs revamping [02:50] i can select "do nothing" for the lid, but it still suspends === leonel [n=leonel@201.133.215.208] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:51] but thats on ppc, most likely pbuttonsd's fault === bddebian [n=BdeFrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesstansell [n=stansell@pm1-ded.ppp185.tulsaconnect.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] Yeah, that'll be pbuttonsd [02:59] Does hal send an event on PPC lid close? [02:59] If so, we should probably just drop it [02:59] would be nice to have it configurable ... [03:04] hmm, dbus-monitor doesnt say anything ... === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] Rather, drop pbuttonsd [03:09] Bleah. I'll look into it === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.143.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] Why does my dapper-live daily start bittorrentd? [03:38] Ack, where to the mime xml files go.. === bddebian has forgotten everything already :'-( === robertj [n=som@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.143.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-151-25.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spstarr_home [n=spstarr@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Evaso is now known as Evaso2 === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] have we fixed murasaki to work in dapper yet, it seems to be rather raw right now, since hotplug appears broke right now. (perhaps rename it BACK to hotplug since it makes more sense?) === ozamosi [n=nnozamos@h92n3c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.213.78.78] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:26] its not like the average joe is going to know what murasaki is it certainly doesn't tell me its a hotplug implementation :) === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spstarr_home [n=spstarr@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.143.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:13] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [05:13] keymapper: Depends: xlibs but it is not installable [05:13] E: Broken packages === lamont kicks console-data [05:14] Kick it harder [05:17] lamont: Can you tell me why the new version of quodlibet hasn't been tried on the buildds? [05:18] StevenK: What version? [05:19] StevenK: according to people.u.c/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/dapper.all.i386: [05:19] universe/sound/quodlibet_0.17-1ubuntu1: Dep-Wait by buildd+rothera [optional:out-of-date] [05:19] Dependencies: debhelper (>= 5.0.17) [05:19] does this mean you changed the build-dep on debhelper in your upload? [05:19] (dep-waits stay until either they're really satisfied, or infinity/I clear them.) [05:21] Doh, I was looking at breezy build logs.. What a dolt [05:22] xmkmf: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed [05:22] imake: Conflicts: xmkmf [05:22] oh, now _that's_ funny. [05:24] xmkmf sucks anyhow :-) [05:24] yeah, but it really shouldn't conflict with something that depends on it... [05:24] or vice versa [05:24] Aye, good point :-) [05:25] otoh, tex-guy is the only ftbfs that seems to have resulted ATM. [05:26] ?? === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [05:26] xmkmf: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed [05:26] xutils: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed [05:26] that's from the hppa log for tex-guy [05:27] Ahh [05:28] Sheesh, do I really need to do a dpatch just to add { } to an else?? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.143.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] lamont: Sorry, I was working. Yes, my upload changed the depends, so can you clear the Dep-Wait? [05:37] StevenK: will do [05:37] lamont: Thanks [05:38] done === lamont -> bed === stu1 [n=stub@gb.ja.99.196.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:51] My media keys stopped working on dapper. Which package can I blame? === HWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.143.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.143.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@HSE-Toronto-ppp315548.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@HSE-Toronto-ppp315548.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-149-172.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:33] marilize, long time, no see [07:34] hmmm prolly leave === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] Burgundavia: hey mr burger, how are you? [07:37] marilize, not bad. Banging my head away at writing [07:37] marilize, when do you start shipping dapper stuff? [07:38] marilize, can I get cds for April 30th? [07:38] burgundavia: dont bang too hard :) your a bit fast for us, not date yet... [07:38] not sure [07:38] it will be towards the end of april, but I'm not sure yet [07:40] mmm? [07:41] hey jsgotangco [07:41] hey Corey === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] heya sabdfl [07:41] hiya [07:42] ran into colin charles yesterday in singapore [07:42] v cool to see him again [07:42] sabdfl: oh sweet how's singapore? === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net === Traxer|off [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] its a small small world [07:42] dunno. i'm now in new zealand ;-) [07:42] i thought he was still in au [07:42] ahh [07:42] sabdfl: see you in a week then [07:43] absoloodle! [07:45] sabdfl, is the next development conference expected in middle may? [07:47] where will that be? [07:47] jsgotangco, rumours of germany were swirling at UBZ [07:47] oh :/ [07:47] jsgotangco, I wouldn't bet my house on germany [07:51] Burgundavia: yes, may, and germany was pretty solid till the world cup turned out to make it trickier than expected [07:51] anybody know how to get networkmanager running? [07:51] how do I may the daemon start by default? [07:52] i add the nm-applet on startup === j^ [n=j@e178014134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] sabdfl: what i did before after installing is restart dbus then add nm-applet on gnome startup === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] sabdfl, oh ick, I forgot about bloody football. All those english hooligans will make it hard to code [07:57] eveningall [07:57] salut ajmitch [07:57] heya ajmitch [07:57] sabdfl, when is the formal announcement expected to be made? === Burgundavia should be able to make the next conference under his own steam [07:59] wow [07:59] jsgotangco, some unexpected money [07:59] great :) [07:59] I doubt I'll make it to the next one without help [07:59] of course, I should be paying off my student loan with it, but meh [08:00] heh [08:00] sales jobs have things called commissions for those things === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] jsgotangco: i get an error [08:04] The NetworkManager applet could not find some required resources. It cannot continue. [08:04] useful, innit [08:04] sabdfl, welcome to NM. Shall we ship it with dapper then? [08:06] hey pitti [08:06] Burgundavia: maaayybe :-) [08:06] i think it just killed my network connection [08:06] sabdfl: strange, i got it working just now [08:06] sabdfl, it will get your name resolution next, just for fun [08:07] Burgundavia: yes, that's the symptom i saw [08:07] it might need to be upgraded due to the recent dbus/hal/... changes [08:07] torkel: it has always failed for me [08:08] i suspect that my network config has been upgraded too many times for it [08:08] i didnt have problems on it with breezy and dapper :/ [08:08] pitti, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/utopia-list/2006-January/msg00022.html <-- is this debate resolved? (specifically the part about hte usb and owning hte box) [08:08] sabdfl: it worked for me until a week ago or something [08:08] although haven't tested on the recent milestone [08:13] how does starting nm-applet fire up NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher as root? [08:15] dbus [08:15] it is dbus that starts NetworkManager iirc [08:15] the magic off [08:15] is it possible to know that NetworkManager is working even if nm-applet is throwing up errors and not a panel icon? [08:16] is it running att all? === chmj [n=chmj@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] torkel: if I run nm-applet from the command line then I get a NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher processes [08:17] nothing shows up on the panel [08:17] sabdfl: do you have a notification area? [08:17] vuntz: yes, believe so. i see gaim icn and restart icon when necessary === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] maybe network-manager doesn't control any interface and so nm-applet feels it doesn't have to show an icon [08:18] I guess this can happen if your interfaces are already configured [08:18] (just a guess, though) [08:19] should i try ifdown'ing them all and then running nm-applet? [08:19] sabdfl: try restarting dbus - /etc/init.d/dbus restart [08:19] I'd try this and I'd comment everything in /etc/network/interfaces too, just to be sure [08:19] but I'm not saying it will help :-) [08:20] hmm it just killed networking in my other box [08:20] after restarting dbus nm-applet works for me again [08:22] jsgotangco: dude check out planet.u.com, an awesome opportunity landed in my lap! === zakame [n=zak@210.5.93.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] sabdfl: you too! [08:22] whiprush: please don't abuse your puppy === whiprush scrolls up. [08:23] I've found that rebooting the machine after installing nm worked for me [08:23] he that's pretty long [08:23] after that firing up nm-applet and saving the session did the trick [08:23] afterwards the applet just fires up on login and connects. [08:25] same here. nm always worked better after one initial reboot to "settle" the applet in my configuration [08:25] robitaille: yeah, the restarting thing never seemed to work for me, always just rebooted to get it working right. [08:26] once you get nm-applet in your session it works great (there's an upstream bug on this I don't recall) [08:27] I have been using nm daily on my laptop since christmas, and I have been pretty happy with it, switching regularly between my wired and my wireless. [08:27] I use a shell script [08:28] I have several different wired and wireless networks [08:28] as well as vpns that start [08:29] n-m has a long way to go outside of the "I'm just some guy with a wifi card" use case. [08:29] yeah [08:29] I'm sure keybuk has a list about 2 miles long about that. === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:35] whiprush: that project sure is exciting [08:36] jsgotangco: I'm hoping. [08:36] hey whiprush, jsgotangco [08:36] hi aj [08:36] heya ajmitch [08:37] hello Ibalon [08:37] why does nm insist on changing my dns to loopback? [08:37] nm? [08:37] Ibalon: network-manager [08:37] jsgotangco: if anything, it teaches me that you don't know jack about you don't know jack about your local area, even if you think you do. :D [08:38] ah [08:38] and whoa that sentence came out all wrong [08:38] but you get the idea. === pabs3 [n=pabs@dsl-202-72-168-241.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] jsgotangco: it uses a local dns server [08:40] Good News Gang heh === zeedo [n=zeedo@reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [n=martin@p54B3AE9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ejofee [n=ejofee@195-245-89-185.dtcom.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] whiprush, indeed [08:49] whiprush, damn you make me jealous [08:49] it does? [08:49] Burgundavia: not really. If I fail then I suck. :p [08:50] I feel like such a pathetic fool. I organized an installfest last Sat. and only 6 people showed up [08:50] hey [08:50] don't count out those 6 [08:50] they still came [08:50] indeed. [08:50] my local lug is a bunch of layabouts who would rather eat at boston pizza [08:51] then why not do it at boston pizza [08:51] rofl [08:51] but I have an idea, my brain is already turning [08:53] what do you people think about including mc (or mc-light) as a console fail-back, for the rescuing situations or for the cases when the live can't reach the graphical user interface (which sometimes does happen); it is very newbye-friendly and many win98 users will prefer it, as it very much resembles nc (norton commander) or dn (dos navigator). we can use this until we have better rescuing tools. (i mean... just imagine a newbye for which x1 [08:53] n bash.) [08:54] ejofee, lucas meant the mailing list === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] Burgundavia: ... right. there was an "@", not an "#", indeed... [09:03] whiprush, the ubuntu youth project is really cool glueing together of existing organizations === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-25-123.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionelp [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@112.Red-83-49-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnozamo@tor/session/x-0a3a0549674b3c17] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.48.140] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === mdz [n=mdz@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@p54A66030.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] good morning [10:21] doko: please copy Colin on exception requests === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] mdz: ok [10:23] this one as well? === womble [n=mpalmer@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] doko: all of them === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Menoz [n=menoz@host159-44.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Menoz [n=menoz@host159-44.pool877.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Menoz [n=menoz@host159-44.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Menoz [n=menoz@host159-44.pool877.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A608C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] Any chance of getting tar -c support into the rescue environment of the dapper CDs? [10:38] A rescue env in which you can not tar up important files is somewhat limited. [10:40] depends how much extra space it takes in the busybox binary, really [10:40] I'm not sure CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_CREATE has been tested much either [10:40] frogzo1: Yes, that works everywhere but in busybox (== the rescue env):-( [10:41] frogzo1: busybox does not support the -c option of thar.:-( [10:41] frogzo1: I am running as root, so -p is used even if I do not give it explizitly. [10:42] I don't know who you're talking to, but they must be on a different channel. [10:42] Kamion: sorry! [10:42] any reason you can't just use the tar in /target? [10:42] lol === Simira [n=rpGirl@tar.linpro.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] /target/bin/tar -cf foo.tar /target/bar === herzi [n=herzi@c205246.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] This bitchx makes me confuse channels all the time... unfortunately it is the only thing I can run on the server with proper internet connection. [10:49] wow === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] <\sh> that libnotify1 has problems while unpacking because of conflicts, is known? [10:58] yeah [10:58] (#29600) [11:02] Tollef's plain left almost on time! [11:02] hehe === Kinnison hugs Simira. How're you? [11:02] <\sh> well I should read the bugs folder first before I start drinking a coffee [11:03] Kinnison : good! I started in my new job today. Norway's largest provider of linux services (sertifications, support, network/software solutions +++) [11:03] kamion: multiverse isn't handled by apt-setup? [11:05] tepsipakki: nope [11:05] Today bringing up network interfaces is broken even more then yesterday. Is this already known or should I write bugreports? [11:05] multiverse scares me too much === zakame [n=zak@210.5.93.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] kamion: would you accept a patch to allow preseeding it?-) [11:06] Kinnison : how are you today? Going to London soon? [11:06] tepsipakki: maybe [11:06] Isen't there supposed to be /var/run on tmpfs nowadays? [11:07] tepsipakki: I think it'd be ok as long as it doesn't end up in the default sources.list (even commented) if you don't preseed it [11:08] kamion: ok [11:09] <\sh> oh when the londong dev sprint starts? === hunger wonders why he got a /var/lock tmpfs but no /var/run one. [11:09] \sh: Monday officially, I think. Tollef's off today. [11:11] Simira: I'm in London already at a soyuz sprint [11:11] Kinnison : oh, nice. Are you staying at the same place as Tollef, Adam and others, then? [11:12] Simira: No, I'm on the soyuz deployment sprint this week, then I head back home === Kinnison isn't on the distro sprint [11:12] Simira: Oh yeah, and I've sold my house \o/ [11:13] ah, of course [11:13] Kinnison : yay! And now you're rich? === hunger grumbles about the new /var/run tmpfs idea. [11:14] Simira: No, 'cos I bought a new house too [11:14] Kinnison : oh. A nice one then? [11:14] [ -d /var/run ] || mkdir /var/run can not work while / is still mounted ro! [11:14] Simira: Similar size to my current house. Different area [11:15] Kinnison : more expensive, you mean :) I so want to move to England. Trying to convince Tollef to buy a summer house in the southern parts. [11:16] Simira: *grin* [11:17] kamion: oh, how about those patches I sent to debian-boot, apt-setup/local[0-9] etc? No-one commented on the newer patches [11:18] tepsipakki: my first thought was "hmm, I didn't expect quite so many templates" [11:18] =) [11:19] I know I said that there should be templates, but I think perhaps they could be omitted; if you're preseeding, the preseed infrastructure will register dummy templates on the fly anyway [11:19] hi all [11:19] it just means that you have to be careful with db_* calls because now db_get might return an error, etc. [11:20] kamion: ok, I'll take another look [11:20] but we could just do i=0; while db_get "apt-setup/local$i"; do ; i="$(($i+1))"; done [11:21] er, 'while db_get "apt-setup/local$i" && [ "$RET" ] ' I guess === chris38 [n=bayle@freedom.rd.francetelecom.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] thanks, I'll modify it [11:22] but first the multiverse.. [11:23] I think the installer will need fixing for this new /var/run thingy to work properly. === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] <\sh> Kamion: can I ask you for advise? i'm not sure if I'm right in this case [11:23] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-scientific/+bug/5950 [11:23] Malone bug 5950: "python-netcdf does not depend on python-scientific, but does need it" Fix req. for: python-scientific (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Science, Status: Unconfirmed [11:24] <\sh> I would remove the dependency p-netcfd from p-scientific , and add a dep to p-netcfd for p-scientific [11:24] <\sh> hey mvo [11:25] hunger: huh? [11:25] <\sh> hmm..coffee [11:25] hey \sh [11:25] Kamion: Install a fresh dapper with /var on a separate partition. [11:25] \sh: no idea sorry, best ask somebody who actually knows the code ... [11:26] Kamion: Then update and reboot: No more /var/run. [11:26] hunger: strange, /var should be mounted before base-files is unpacked and base-files contains /var/run [11:26] I have no intention of special-casing this in the installer; I suspect that one or more packages need to be fixed [11:27] Kamion: Since /var is on a separate partition and that is mounted before base-files is unpacked the root partition does not contain /var/run. [11:27] Kamion: S00mountvirtfs tries to create /var/run there and fails since / is ro at the time it is run. [11:27] I see; S00mountvirtfs had better do something else then [11:28] Kamion: ... so no /var/run and no tmpfs mounted on it. [11:28] creating it on /dev and moving it later might work, for example [11:28] or mounting a tmpfs on /var, although that sounds scary [11:28] Kamion: The does /var/run check is really redundant... mkdir can not work anyway. [11:28] anyway, file a sysvinit bug if there isn't one already pleas [11:28] e [11:29] Scott'll need to rethink this [11:29] kamion: what kind of a disclaimer should multiverse have? Can I just take the one for universe and modify it? [11:29] I just did... malone #29637 [11:29] Malone bug 29637: "/var/run is not created" Fix req. for: sysvinit (Ubuntu), Severity: Major, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/29637 === Lorenzod [n=Lorenzod@63.218.103.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] tepsipakki: a combination of restricted and universe plus extra scary, I guess [11:30] That malone needs the source packages is *really* annoying by the way. [11:31] <\sh> hunger: it's going to change as I understood the launchpadders [11:31] I have problems figuring out what malone wants from me there... I can not see how a user is supposed to do it. [11:33] bradb's already landed a package guesser that lets you use binaries too; it should be making its way into production soon [11:35] \sh: (for python-{netcdf,scientific}, ask doko ...) [11:35] (since he's the Debian maintainer) [11:35] <\sh> Kamion: will do :) === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-096-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] <\sh> ah when you speak about the devil :) [11:42] <\sh> doko: do you want to fix malone #5950 or do you want to give me a little advise what I should do :) [11:42] Malone bug 5950: "python-netcdf does not depend on python-scientific, but does need it" Fix req. for: python-scientific (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Science, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/5950 [11:43] best thing might be to have cyclic dependency === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] <\sh> doko: so adding python-scientific to p-netcfd and leaving the p-netcfd dep for p-scientific === caugier [n=caugier@nat5.emn.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] doko: isn't debian trying to get rid of them currently? === theine [n=theine@d008121.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] mvo: netcdf? [11:45] doko: no, cyclig dependencies [11:46] Hi, in current Dapper, if I try to bring up a network interface with ifup, is dhclient3 supposed to be called with the -nw flag? [11:47] <\sh> doko: do you want to fix it first for debian, so we can sync the package? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] mvo: upstream does see this package now as an integral part of scientific. Of course you still can use netcdf on your own, the now added Scientifc warapper around the extension module just can be used with the scientific package installed === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-204-126.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] May I close bugs in malone or should this be done by a developer? [12:09] hunger: I think thats okay. if in doubt, ask first here, but in obvious cases, sure! [12:18] siretart: I guess reports about bugs in dapper in scripts that are no longer shipped do count as obvious;-) [12:19] hunger: I agree :) [12:21] Hmm... what is the policy about the new /var/run-tmpfs thing? Will init-scripts cleaning up stuff in /var/run stay for compatibility reasons or should there be bugs reported for them? [12:22] doko: it looks like upgrades of python-twisted from breezy to dapper will lose python-twisted-web [12:22] doko: is there any reason why the functionality cannot be preserved across upgrades? [12:22] hunger: we don't need to diverge from Debian when it doesn't matter, so in general I think those scripts should stay there [12:23] so long as they aren't a major performance hit or anything [12:23] doko, what about zope3 installability ? [12:23] it breaks edubuntu currently ... [12:23] but trying to unlink a load of stuff that doesn't exist from a tmpfs should hardly take much time [12:23] Kamion: That was what I was thinking as well, but then ifupdown-clean was removed yesterday. [12:24] hunger: it was agreed that /var/{run,lock} will be tempfs because of udev, and that initscript will have to be fixed for that [12:24] hunger: I'm currently working on courier [12:26] siretart: Some things need fixing of course (i.e. have directories created), but what about cleanup scripts like sudo or screen-cleanup? They do no harm and cause hardly any slowdown. [12:26] they do no harm, so leave them === henriquemaia [n=henrique@87-196-66-164.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Kamion: OK. === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] <\sh> pitti: what a surprise, the security notice about imagemagick is noticed as link on heise.de :) [12:31] I didn't see any updates for the last 18 hours. I thought you guys were slacking. Then I realised my update-notifier had crashed. :) Currently downloading 49 updates... === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D011.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] mdz: I can add the dependencies again, but that was not the intent of the split. I'm going to look at the twisted rdepends and adjust these [12:33] tepsipakki: thanks for the patch, I'll look at it once I'm out from under the critical things I have to get done before the distro sprint starts [12:33] mdz, Kamion: is libnotify1 still in NEW? [12:34] doko: no [12:34] libnotify1 | 0.3.2-0ubuntu2 | dapper | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc [12:34] Kamion: how can I Know if a a user on the system, is a system user or a regular "human" , scan out all those which have higher GID/UID then 1000 as a harcoded value, or parse adduser.conf for correct behavior when an admin has changed it? [12:34] kamion: np [12:35] Vorbereiten zum Ersetzen von libnotify0 0.3.0-0ubuntu2 (durch .../libnotify0_0.3.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ... [12:35] Entpacke Ersatz fr libnotify0 ... [12:35] dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/libnotify0_0.3.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): [12:35] versuche /usr/lib/libnotify.so.1.0.0 zu berschreiben, welches auch in Paket libnotify1 ist [12:35] Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von: [12:35] /var/cache/apt/archives/libnotify0_0.3.2-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb [12:35] mvo: ^^^ [12:36] \sh that libnotify1 has problems while unpacking because of conflicts, is known? [12:36] Kamion yeah [12:36] Kamion (#29600) [12:36] ok [12:37] sivang: for what purpose? [12:37] doko: if you want to allow for a subset of twisted to be installed without -web, then name it something else (Kinnison suggested python-twisted-core) === mdz [n=mdz@217.205.109.249] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === mdz [n=mdz@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] doko: (fyi, this came up due to launchpad-dependencies) === theine [n=theine@c179191.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] I'm sorry for asking this question here, but where can one specify the flags that are passed to dhclient3 when it's invoked through ifup? [12:39] Kamion: home-user-backup, recall that when it's the "admin" of the system, I want to let him backup all users' homes. [12:39] doko: please remove libnotify0 === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] sivang: looking at the standard 1000-29999 range would be a reasonable default === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] Kamion: for an individual user, I just , mypid = os.getuid(); pwd_tuple = pwd.getpwuid(mypid) [12:40] Kamion: ok, this value is usually unchanged? [12:40] I guess you can parse /etc/adduser.conf if you like; its format's documented in adduser.conf(5) [12:41] I'd also be inclined to exclude users with /bin/false set as their shell [12:41] (sanity-check) [12:41] ogra: zope3 needs dependencies from Debian NEW, I don't have these packages. asking jinty for these. [12:42] ok [12:42] in fact, you could just exclude users whose shells aren't set to something in /etc/shells [12:42] Kamion: I'll add exclusion for those now :) [12:42] thats why i couldnt find the missing packages :) [12:42] Kamion: ah, right, so that even let me drop the UID/GID range checking altogether...I think [12:43] sivang: no, it doesn't; there exist system users with /bin/sh as their shell [12:43] for example, trivially, root; but there are others [12:43] Kamion: daemon as well [12:43] (well, root has /bin/bash, but anyway) [12:43] yes, when I said "there are others" that's because I knew there were others ;-) === Kamion maintains the base /etc/passwd file [12:44] mdz: ok, I'll rename that to python-twisted-core and make python-twisted a transitional package [12:44] Kamion: ok, sorry for the noise. Thanks for tips. [12:44] one of these days I'll change more of those to /bin/false, I'm just scared of breaking stuff [12:45] Kamion: :-) [12:45] Kamion: Why do some users have /nonexistent as their homedir? [12:46] Kamion: Won't that get remapped to / on login? [12:46] hunger: see the base-passwd changelog [12:46]