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| theCore | hi LaserJock | 12:27 |
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| LaserJock | hi theCore | 12:27 |
| theCore | did you work on the guide ? | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | yes a little bit, and I also got svn access so I can put stuff on the repo | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | theCore: do you have a docteam repo checkout? | 12:29 |
| theCore | yep | 12:29 |
| theCore | why? | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking of committing the stuff I have, then you can work on it from the repo | 12:30 |
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| theCore | good idea, this way I will just need to send you the diff | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | exactly | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | how do you include <'s and >'s without docbook thinking it's a tag? | 12:35 |
| theCore | "e; | 12:36 |
| theCore | sorry, this for " | 12:36 |
| theCore | « and » | 12:40 |
| theCore | or > < | 12:41 |
| LaserJock | thanks | 12:41 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: ok, I gotta get home but I'll be back on in a bit. I just commited what I have. Send me patches ;-) | 12:58 |
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| LaserJock | theCore: ok, I'm back | 01:49 |
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| theCore | ok, I got the update | 01:53 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: ping | 01:56 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: pong | 01:56 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: commencing work on the desktop guide by installating flight 3 :) | 01:57 |
| jsgotangco | nice | 01:57 |
| jsgotangco | nobody really writes on that kubuntu doc anyhow, it would be nice to have someone do it | 01:58 |
| jsgotangco | editing the existing docs alone take a lot of time | 01:58 |
| robotgeek | apparently, the checkout brought me some kubuntu desktop guide file :) | 01:58 |
| jsgotangco | well yes | 01:58 |
| jsgotangco | there's already some part done by rob1 | 01:58 |
| jsgotangco | but apparently rob1 disappeared | 01:58 |
| robotgeek | however, it has nothing | 01:59 |
| robotgeek | i am going to maintain the hierarchy of the Ubuntu Desktop Guide | 02:00 |
| jsgotangco | if in doubt, consult Riddell | 02:00 |
| jsgotangco | but don't duplicate current KDE docs | 02:00 |
| robotgeek | hmm, yes | 02:01 |
| robotgeek | okay, i'll get to work on it then. | 02:02 |
| jsgotangco | ok i | 02:02 |
| jsgotangco | ok i'll go back to work :) | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | so what is ok to work on in the Kubuntu docs? The Kubuntu Desktop Guide? | 02:05 |
| robotgeek | yeah, i picked it up just now :) | 02:05 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that's pretty much open territory | 02:05 |
| jsgotangco | but any kubuntu doc can benefit contributions | 02:05 |
| jsgotangco | like now i'm editing the quick guide | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | ok, well if I have some time I might try to help out too | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | but I'm getting spread pretty thin these days | 02:06 |
| jsgotangco | i'm not sure if its possible to finish up the desktop guide nor am I ready to write a whole new doc that's why i started re-editing the quickguide | 02:07 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: likewise :( | 02:07 |
| robotgeek | i have lots of free time, so i'm trying to help in all ways possible. | 02:08 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: i also write as a profession, so my day is pretty spread out, most of it thinking... | 02:08 |
| jsgotangco | :( | 02:08 |
| jsgotangco | i find solace with nintendogs though | 02:08 |
| robotgeek | pet dogs? robotic? | 02:09 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: its a popular sim for the nintendo DS | 02:09 |
| robotgeek | i've been out of the loop for quite some while | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: well I am working on becoming a MOTU as well as running the MOTU Science team as well as write the Ubuntu Packaging Guide as well as get my PhD done | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | but I know there are people much busier than me so I shouldn't complain | 02:11 |
| jsgotangco | wow at least you have time to go to grad school :/ | 02:11 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: i finished my Masters last month :) | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | it's actually very cool that I have the change to contribute to Ubuntu | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: what in? Robotics? | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: how is writing as a profession? | 02:12 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: actually, no. "Multifunctional Laparoscopic Tools" | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | umm, yeah. and that is? | 02:13 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: tiring but rewarding | 02:13 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: well, laparoscopy is generally a srugical operation in which they make holes in your abdomenal region, and perform surgery there | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: I'm not a writer by any stretch of the imagination, but I do like having documentation | 02:14 |
| jsgotangco | robotgeek: are you a medical doctor? | 02:14 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: oh, yes now I see | 02:14 |
| robotgeek | currenty tools are single use/single purpose only, the topic of my research was to design one which was could be used for multiple purposes | 02:15 |
| robotgeek | jsgotangco: mechanical engineer | 02:15 |
| jsgotangco | wow so engineers are the brainchild of those medical torture devices :/ | 02:15 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 02:15 |
| jsgotangco | joke | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: I actually thought about doing medical engineering as an undergrad | 02:16 |
| robotgeek | robotics is something i've always been interested in,and hence the nick | 02:16 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: physics now? | 02:16 |
| robotgeek | or chem, IIRC | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: my little brother just started college as a mechanical/electrical engineer but is interested in robotics | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | Physical Chemistry so your kind right both times | 02:17 |
| robotgeek | yeah, i am getting setup for a PhD in about 3 years time, lol | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | I think I have 1 more year. I didn't get a Masters | 02:18 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: ah, where are you at? | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | University of Nevada, Reno | 02:18 |
| robotgeek | heh, how do you not gamble and study :) | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | how did you go to PhD without getting a masters? | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | in Chemistry we don't have to get Master's we can go straight into PhD programs | 02:20 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: well, it's easy because I see all the tourists gamble away all there money and I don't feel the urge ;-) | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: most chemists get PhDs anyway so it cuts out a lot of duplicative work if you just do the PhD program directly from your Bachelors degree | 02:22 |
| robotgeek | currently job hunting, so lots of free time | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 02:22 |
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| LaserJock | some people like to just go and watch the poker games | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | I find the casinos to be quite smoky though so I don't go to them except for the food :-) | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: where are you located? | 02:24 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: right now Dallas,TX | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: oh, cool. minghua is currently at Rice, he is on the MOTU Science team as well | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: and tritium is our lone MOTU and he is at Sandia National Lab in NM | 02:26 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: i am at UT -Arlington though | 02:26 |
| robotgeek | i missed meeting up with tritium my last visit to NM | 02:27 |
| robotgeek | i want to pick up all the basic skills for MOTU stuff, finish with the packaging guide LaserJock :) | 02:29 |
| robotgeek | j/k | 02:29 |
| LaserJock | I'm getting there | 02:29 |
| LaserJock | I really want it done but I seem to write too much | 02:30 |
| robotgeek | i just need polish, so it's alrite | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | I need to learn how to write docs properly | 02:30 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: will be useful for dissertation :) | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | maybe | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | I have a conference next week and I have to do the poster soon. | 02:31 |
| robotgeek | damn, lotsa work | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | sometimes I wish I could just ditch the PhD and work for Ubuntu | 02:31 |
| robotgeek | i am just glad i got thru with my thesis writing, it was the most boring part | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | what did you use to write it? | 02:33 |
| robotgeek | latex | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | ever reliable | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's what I use too | 02:33 |
| robotgeek | though my prof was not very supportive | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | really, my prof would only let me use latex | 02:33 |
| robotgeek | the rest of the lab uses word, so he did not want to do something "funky" | 02:34 |
| robotgeek | he would have to relearn it, so he was hesitant. | 02:34 |
| robotgeek | i just kept mailing him pdf's and it worked out fine | 02:34 |
| robotgeek | i got thru the mechanical check in one shot, yay! | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | My boss couldn't use Windows to save his life, although we are just getting iMacs so we might use Word more | 02:35 |
| robotgeek | my thesis was written in Openoffice and Latex :) | 02:36 |
| robotgeek | i used the WritertoLatex convertor, and that saved me a lot of time | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I use emacs ;-) | 02:37 |
| robotgeek | it's really neat, you should check it out | 02:37 |
| robotgeek | i use vim + latexsuite :) | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | but now I'm getting an iMac and won't have my linux box at work :( | 02:38 |
| robotgeek | emacs has a port, i guess | 02:38 |
| theCore | LaserJock, emacs is installed by default on the Macs | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | I use vim a lot too | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | theCore: cool | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | I'm really not satisfied by either emacs or vim at the moment | 02:39 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: why? | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | I like a lot of how vim work but I like the "goodies" of emacs | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | it's like gnome and kde for me as well | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | I like the look and feel of gnome but I like the apps of kde | 02:40 |
| robotgeek | yeah, i've got xubuntu running with kmail running :) | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | so I end up installing gnome and kde and emacs and vim | 02:41 |
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| LaserJock | I started out on emacs because that is what my prof uses and he is the one who got me going on linux | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | but it is huge and so I started looking into vim | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | and I like it quite a bit so far | 02:41 |
| robotgeek | i started out with emacs too, but got all foobarred with emacs keybindings on the mac. | 02:42 |
| robotgeek | i learnt vim, and have not looked back | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | I like it too but I wish it had some debian tools (debian-el, dpkg-dev-el, and devscripts-el are great for packagers) and the spell checking was kinda hard to get going | 02:44 |
| robotgeek | hmm, what do they do? | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | they are modes for the Debian bug system (so you can send bugs from emacs) and syntax hilighting for package files (changelogs, control files, etc.) | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | I haven't used them much but I think it even has a pbuilder mode | 02:45 |
| robotgeek | i get that in vim | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: well, I'm not saying it can't be done in vim, I just don't know how ;-) | 02:46 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: no, i mean i got it out of the box | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: what? | 02:47 |
| robotgeek | the syntax highlighting | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | for packaging files? | 02:47 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: yes, did you enable filetype plugin on filetype on filetype indent on in your .vimrc ? | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I think so. Let me try it out | 02:49 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: take a look at http://robotgeek.org/dotfiles/vimrc | 02:50 |
| theCore | LaserJock, check my .vimrc file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7598 | 02:51 |
| theCore | LaserJock, I got syntax highlighting for all files | 02:51 |
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| theCore | except plain text | 02:51 |
| theCore | I got from the vim docs | 02:52 |
| theCore | I got it* | 02:52 |
| theCore | LaserJock, you can start syntax highlighting by hand too | 02:53 |
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| theCore | from vim command line enter: `syntax on' | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | ok, just a sec guys. I have syntax hilighting on, I just didn't think it would hilight changelogs, etc. | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | hot dog, it does highlight them | 02:57 |
| robotgeek | also indents and stuff. make sure you don't have expand tab set while editing the "rules" file | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I think I turned that off for python too | 02:59 |
| robotgeek | i have that set in python | 02:59 |
| robotgeek | the next great debate, "tabs vs spaces", lol | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | I do tabs | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | ok, my current .vimrc is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7599 | 03:02 |
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| theCore | lol, I like the " fix spelling retardation" section | 03:05 |
| LaserJock | I just picke it up of a web page somewhere and thought it was a good idea | 03:06 |
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| LaserJock | I just threw a bunch of stuff in I found on the internet and commented out the stuff I didn't like | 03:07 |
| robotgeek | any good plugins for vim, other than the xml edit plugin for docbook stuff? | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | well, I've tried different spelling plugins, with varying success | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | I've also got a calendar plugin and a svn plugin, I think | 03:11 |
| robotgeek | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7737 i found this, but can't download the plugins | 03:11 |
| robotgeek | hmm, anyways. back to work now, later | 03:13 |
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| LaserJock | me too | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek_away: what is :%s/ for? | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | theCore: have you had a chance to look at the packaging guide? | 03:20 |
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| theCore | LaserJock, yes, why did you fragmented the GNU Licence in the main page ? | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | I didn't, it's the standard GPL of the doc team | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | I just used an include | 03:36 |
| theCore | really ? if so, it ugly | 03:36 |
| theCore | s/it/it's/ | 03:36 |
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| LaserJock | well, the docteam doesn't use GPL so maybe we might work on that | 03:37 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: the %s thing is to replace all the dos chracters | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: oh, thanks. | 03:37 |
| robotgeek | the weird | 03:37 |
| robotgeek | the | 03:37 |
| robotgeek | sorry | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | if I edit something in vim in Windows will I get those? | 03:38 |
| robotgeek | possibly, but it's easy to remove | 03:40 |
| theCore | LaserJock, DOS put two character at the end of each lines (I think it's \r\n) , *NIX OSes use only the newline ( \n ) character to end lines | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | hmm, cause I was thinking of editing some stuff on Windows and but I don't wan to commit them if they are going to have weird characters at the end | 03:41 |
| theCore | LaserJock, I like your the source packages section you added into the guide | 03:44 |
| LaserJock | we need to flesh it out a bit but it seems to come up now and then about how packagers really work with the source packages | 03:45 |
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| mpt | LaserJock, most moderate- to high-powered editors on Windows let you choose the line endings for a particular file | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | mpt: oh, ok. good to know | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | I have a repo checkout on my Windows laptop that I usually use at home and now that I can commit I was thinking of using it but I don't want to put a bunch of stupid stuff at the ends of the lines | 04:45 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock, ya, don't | 04:47 |
| Burgundavia | anybody looking for some wiki work todo? | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: sorry, I'm working on the packaging guide as we speak | 05:02 |
| Burgundavia | I am cleaning out my todo list and being ruthless about which I realistically don't have time todo | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | ohh, I hate doing that | 05:05 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: maybe | 05:05 |
| Burgundavia | yes, because it involves so many broken dreams | 05:05 |
| Burgundavia | "I wanted to do that!" | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek, it involves parsing one email and feeding changes to a specific wiki page | 05:06 |
| robotgeek | okay, sounds doable. details | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek, can I forward you the email? | 05:06 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: sure | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek, thanks a lot. Didn't want to drop it on the floor | 05:08 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: u know my email? | 05:10 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek, venkatraghavan@gmail.com ? | 05:10 |
| robotgeek | yup | 05:11 |
| Burgundavia | yay, under 50 things todo | 05:11 |
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| Burgundavia | salut bshumate | 05:12 |
| robotgeek | Burgundavia: got it, Subject: HowTo restore GRUB with install CD | 05:17 |
| robotgeek | is that the right thing? | 05:18 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek, indeed | 05:19 |
| robotgeek | i will take care of it then, all i have to do is cut paste, mostly | 05:20 |
| robotgeek | later then, i gotta run | 05:20 |
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| LaserJock | is linux generally capitalized? | 05:40 |
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| mpt | LaserJock, yes | 05:42 |
| mpt | it's a proper noun | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | k, thanks | 05:43 |
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| LaserJock | in general how do you guys figure out how much material you shoudl commit to the repo at one time? | 06:19 |
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| mdke | Burgundavia, of course attachments aren't page specific in Moin, it's not _that_ stupid | 08:55 |
| mdke | robotgeek_away, the idea was for the kubuntu desktop guide to use the Ubuntu desktop guide. but that isn't really ready yet. Best to talk to jjesse | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, hmm, ok I was mistaken. So it rises from chimp to that of great ape | 08:56 |
| mdke | a chimp is an ape | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, you get what i mean | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | bloody english, getting up early | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | :) | 08:58 |
| mdke | :) | 08:58 |
| mdke | it was a struggle... | 08:58 |
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| mdke | hello Que_Pasa, que pasa | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | :P | 08:59 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, the caveat with attaching images from other icons if you have to know where they are attached to, that is ugh | 09:08 |
| Burgundavia | s/icons/pages | 09:08 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, night all | 09:13 |
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| robotgeek | mdke: hmm, i can atleast borrow the structure :) | 10:22 |
| mdke | robotgeek, hopefully much of the content too | 10:25 |
| robotgeek | stuff like java,etc should remain the same. Stuff like sound/internet will change | 10:26 |
| robotgeek | we'll see :) | 10:27 |
| mdke | yep | 10:29 |
| robotgeek | neways, just popped in to check the action, gotta sleep now | 10:29 |
| mdke | robotgeek, and if you see some problems with it, feel free to give us a patch on that too :) | 10:30 |
| mdke | night | 10:30 |
| jsgotangco | mmm? | 10:30 |
| robotgeek | mdke: sure, will do. i just got vim setup to do docbook stuff | 10:30 |
| robotgeek | hey jsgotangco , just heading out. | 10:30 |
| jsgotangco | night robotgeek | 10:31 |
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| ompaul | Burgwork, if one did not do rm -rf a part of their machine that was important they might have done something on boot options yesterday - today I am busy but should get to it before weekend | 02:00 |
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| Burgwork | hmm, digg is linking to FirefoxNewVersion | 07:01 |
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| mgalvin | hmm :-/ | 07:16 |
| Burgwork | no is good | 07:16 |
| Burgwork | interesting ad at the bottom of a newsforge article. "Ubuntu vs Xandros 3", paid for by Xandros | 08:36 |
| jjesse | i saw that ad @ kubntuforums.net yesterday | 08:37 |
| Burgwork | lovely | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | funny that they are worried about us though, given their focus is very much in business | 08:38 |
| Burgwork | but I guess we threaten them in the education market | 08:38 |
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