=== theCore [n=theCore@Toronto-HSE-ppp3783078.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:27] hi LaserJock [12:27] hi theCore [12:28] did you work on the guide ? [12:28] yes a little bit, and I also got svn access so I can put stuff on the repo [12:29] theCore: do you have a docteam repo checkout? [12:29] yep [12:30] why? [12:30] I was thinking of committing the stuff I have, then you can work on it from the repo === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:32] good idea, this way I will just need to send you the diff [12:34] exactly [12:35] how do you include <'s and >'s without docbook thinking it's a tag? [12:36] "e; [12:36] sorry, this for " [12:40] « and » [12:41] or > < [12:41] thanks === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek is now known as robotgeek_away [12:58] theCore: ok, I gotta get home but I'll be back on in a bit. I just commited what I have. Send me patches ;-) === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:49] theCore: ok, I'm back === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === robotgeek_away is now known as robotgeek [01:53] ok, I got the update [01:56] jsgotangco: ping [01:56] robotgeek: pong [01:57] jsgotangco: commencing work on the desktop guide by installating flight 3 :) [01:57] nice [01:58] nobody really writes on that kubuntu doc anyhow, it would be nice to have someone do it [01:58] editing the existing docs alone take a lot of time [01:58] apparently, the checkout brought me some kubuntu desktop guide file :) [01:58] well yes [01:58] there's already some part done by rob1 [01:58] but apparently rob1 disappeared [01:59] however, it has nothing [02:00] i am going to maintain the hierarchy of the Ubuntu Desktop Guide [02:00] if in doubt, consult Riddell [02:00] but don't duplicate current KDE docs [02:01] hmm, yes [02:02] okay, i'll get to work on it then. [02:02] ok i [02:02] ok i'll go back to work :) [02:05] so what is ok to work on in the Kubuntu docs? The Kubuntu Desktop Guide? [02:05] yeah, i picked it up just now :) [02:05] yeah that's pretty much open territory [02:05] but any kubuntu doc can benefit contributions [02:06] like now i'm editing the quick guide [02:06] ok, well if I have some time I might try to help out too [02:06] but I'm getting spread pretty thin these days [02:07] i'm not sure if its possible to finish up the desktop guide nor am I ready to write a whole new doc that's why i started re-editing the quickguide [02:07] LaserJock: likewise :( [02:08] i have lots of free time, so i'm trying to help in all ways possible. [02:08] LaserJock: i also write as a profession, so my day is pretty spread out, most of it thinking... [02:08] :( [02:08] i find solace with nintendogs though [02:09] pet dogs? robotic? [02:09] robotgeek: its a popular sim for the nintendo DS [02:10] i've been out of the loop for quite some while [02:11] jsgotangco: well I am working on becoming a MOTU as well as running the MOTU Science team as well as write the Ubuntu Packaging Guide as well as get my PhD done [02:11] but I know there are people much busier than me so I shouldn't complain [02:11] wow at least you have time to go to grad school :/ [02:11] LaserJock: i finished my Masters last month :) [02:12] it's actually very cool that I have the change to contribute to Ubuntu [02:12] robotgeek: what in? Robotics? [02:12] jsgotangco: how is writing as a profession? [02:12] LaserJock: actually, no. "Multifunctional Laparoscopic Tools" [02:13] umm, yeah. and that is? [02:13] LaserJock: tiring but rewarding [02:14] LaserJock: well, laparoscopy is generally a srugical operation in which they make holes in your abdomenal region, and perform surgery there [02:14] jsgotangco: I'm not a writer by any stretch of the imagination, but I do like having documentation [02:14] robotgeek: are you a medical doctor? [02:14] robotgeek: oh, yes now I see [02:15] currenty tools are single use/single purpose only, the topic of my research was to design one which was could be used for multiple purposes [02:15] jsgotangco: mechanical engineer [02:15] wow so engineers are the brainchild of those medical torture devices :/ [02:15] heh [02:15] joke [02:16] robotgeek: I actually thought about doing medical engineering as an undergrad [02:16] robotics is something i've always been interested in,and hence the nick [02:16] LaserJock: physics now? [02:17] or chem, IIRC [02:17] robotgeek: my little brother just started college as a mechanical/electrical engineer but is interested in robotics [02:17] Physical Chemistry so your kind right both times [02:17] yeah, i am getting setup for a PhD in about 3 years time, lol [02:18] I think I have 1 more year. I didn't get a Masters [02:18] LaserJock: ah, where are you at? [02:18] University of Nevada, Reno [02:19] heh, how do you not gamble and study :) [02:19] how did you go to PhD without getting a masters? [02:20] in Chemistry we don't have to get Master's we can go straight into PhD programs [02:21] robotgeek: well, it's easy because I see all the tourists gamble away all there money and I don't feel the urge ;-) [02:22] jsgotangco: most chemists get PhDs anyway so it cuts out a lot of duplicative work if you just do the PhD program directly from your Bachelors degree [02:22] currently job hunting, so lots of free time [02:22] ahhh === jsgotangco would pick up poker some time [02:23] some people like to just go and watch the poker games [02:23] I find the casinos to be quite smoky though so I don't go to them except for the food :-) [02:24] robotgeek: where are you located? [02:24] LaserJock: right now Dallas,TX [02:26] robotgeek: oh, cool. minghua is currently at Rice, he is on the MOTU Science team as well [02:26] robotgeek: and tritium is our lone MOTU and he is at Sandia National Lab in NM [02:26] LaserJock: i am at UT -Arlington though [02:27] i missed meeting up with tritium my last visit to NM [02:29] i want to pick up all the basic skills for MOTU stuff, finish with the packaging guide LaserJock :) [02:29] j/k [02:29] I'm getting there [02:30] I really want it done but I seem to write too much [02:30] i just need polish, so it's alrite [02:30] I need to learn how to write docs properly [02:30] LaserJock: will be useful for dissertation :) [02:31] maybe [02:31] I have a conference next week and I have to do the poster soon. [02:31] damn, lotsa work [02:31] sometimes I wish I could just ditch the PhD and work for Ubuntu [02:32] i am just glad i got thru with my thesis writing, it was the most boring part [02:33] what did you use to write it? [02:33] latex [02:33] ever reliable [02:33] yeah, that's what I use too [02:33] though my prof was not very supportive [02:33] really, my prof would only let me use latex [02:34] the rest of the lab uses word, so he did not want to do something "funky" [02:34] he would have to relearn it, so he was hesitant. [02:34] i just kept mailing him pdf's and it worked out fine [02:35] i got thru the mechanical check in one shot, yay! [02:35] My boss couldn't use Windows to save his life, although we are just getting iMacs so we might use Word more [02:36] my thesis was written in Openoffice and Latex :) [02:36] i used the WritertoLatex convertor, and that saved me a lot of time [02:37] hmm, I use emacs ;-) [02:37] it's really neat, you should check it out [02:37] i use vim + latexsuite :) [02:38] but now I'm getting an iMac and won't have my linux box at work :( [02:38] emacs has a port, i guess [02:39] LaserJock, emacs is installed by default on the Macs [02:39] I use vim a lot too [02:39] theCore: cool [02:39] I'm really not satisfied by either emacs or vim at the moment [02:40] LaserJock: why? [02:40] I like a lot of how vim work but I like the "goodies" of emacs [02:40] it's like gnome and kde for me as well [02:40] I like the look and feel of gnome but I like the apps of kde [02:40] yeah, i've got xubuntu running with kmail running :) [02:41] so I end up installing gnome and kde and emacs and vim === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:41] I started out on emacs because that is what my prof uses and he is the one who got me going on linux [02:41] but it is huge and so I started looking into vim [02:41] and I like it quite a bit so far [02:42] i started out with emacs too, but got all foobarred with emacs keybindings on the mac. [02:42] i learnt vim, and have not looked back [02:44] I like it too but I wish it had some debian tools (debian-el, dpkg-dev-el, and devscripts-el are great for packagers) and the spell checking was kinda hard to get going [02:44] hmm, what do they do? [02:45] they are modes for the Debian bug system (so you can send bugs from emacs) and syntax hilighting for package files (changelogs, control files, etc.) [02:45] I haven't used them much but I think it even has a pbuilder mode [02:45] i get that in vim [02:46] robotgeek: well, I'm not saying it can't be done in vim, I just don't know how ;-) [02:46] LaserJock: no, i mean i got it out of the box [02:47] robotgeek: what? [02:47] the syntax highlighting [02:47] for packaging files? [02:48] LaserJock: yes, did you enable filetype plugin on filetype on filetype indent on in your .vimrc ? [02:49] yeah, I think so. Let me try it out [02:50] LaserJock: take a look at http://robotgeek.org/dotfiles/vimrc [02:51] LaserJock, check my .vimrc file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7598 [02:51] LaserJock, I got syntax highlighting for all files === robotgeek also sneaks a peek [02:51] except plain text [02:52] I got from the vim docs [02:52] I got it* [02:53] LaserJock, you can start syntax highlighting by hand too === robotgeek refers LaserJock to VimHowto :) [02:54] from vim command line enter: `syntax on' [02:56] ok, just a sec guys. I have syntax hilighting on, I just didn't think it would hilight changelogs, etc. [02:57] hot dog, it does highlight them [02:58] also indents and stuff. make sure you don't have expand tab set while editing the "rules" file [02:59] yeah, I think I turned that off for python too [02:59] i have that set in python [03:00] the next great debate, "tabs vs spaces", lol [03:01] I do tabs [03:02] ok, my current .vimrc is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7599 === Madpilot [n=bburger@S01060011d87e447f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:05] lol, I like the " fix spelling retardation" section [03:06] I just picke it up of a web page somewhere and thought it was a good idea === robotgeek has saved the vimrc for reference :) === theCore has saved it too [03:07] I just threw a bunch of stuff in I found on the internet and commented out the stuff I didn't like [03:07] any good plugins for vim, other than the xml edit plugin for docbook stuff? [03:10] well, I've tried different spelling plugins, with varying success [03:11] I've also got a calendar plugin and a svn plugin, I think [03:11] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7737 i found this, but can't download the plugins [03:13] hmm, anyways. back to work now, later === robotgeek is now known as robotgeek_away [03:13] me too [03:15] robotgeek_away: what is :%s/ for? [03:20] theCore: have you had a chance to look at the packaging guide? === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:35] LaserJock, yes, why did you fragmented the GNU Licence in the main page ? [03:36] I didn't, it's the standard GPL of the doc team [03:36] I just used an include [03:36] really ? if so, it ugly [03:36] s/it/it's/ === robotgeek_away is now known as robotgeek [03:37] well, the docteam doesn't use GPL so maybe we might work on that [03:37] LaserJock: the %s thing is to replace all the dos chracters [03:37] robotgeek: oh, thanks. [03:37] the weird [03:37] the [03:38] sorry [03:38] if I edit something in vim in Windows will I get those? [03:40] possibly, but it's easy to remove [03:40] LaserJock, DOS put two character at the end of each lines (I think it's \r\n) , *NIX OSes use only the newline ( \n ) character to end lines [03:41] hmm, cause I was thinking of editing some stuff on Windows and but I don't wan to commit them if they are going to have weird characters at the end [03:44] LaserJock, I like your the source packages section you added into the guide [03:45] we need to flesh it out a bit but it seems to come up now and then about how packagers really work with the source packages === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-151-25.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:43] LaserJock, most moderate- to high-powered editors on Windows let you choose the line endings for a particular file [04:44] mpt: oh, ok. good to know [04:45] I have a repo checkout on my Windows laptop that I usually use at home and now that I can commit I was thinking of using it but I don't want to put a bunch of stupid stuff at the ends of the lines [04:47] LaserJock, ya, don't [04:59] anybody looking for some wiki work todo? [05:02] Burgundavia: sorry, I'm working on the packaging guide as we speak [05:02] I am cleaning out my todo list and being ruthless about which I realistically don't have time todo [05:05] ohh, I hate doing that [05:05] Burgundavia: maybe [05:05] yes, because it involves so many broken dreams [05:06] "I wanted to do that!" [05:06] robotgeek, it involves parsing one email and feeding changes to a specific wiki page [05:06] okay, sounds doable. details [05:06] robotgeek, can I forward you the email? [05:06] Burgundavia: sure [05:08] robotgeek, thanks a lot. Didn't want to drop it on the floor [05:10] Burgundavia: u know my email? [05:10] robotgeek, venkatraghavan@gmail.com ? [05:11] yup [05:11] yay, under 50 things todo === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:12] salut bshumate [05:17] Burgundavia: got it, Subject: HowTo restore GRUB with install CD [05:18] is that the right thing? [05:19] robotgeek, indeed [05:20] i will take care of it then, all i have to do is cut paste, mostly [05:20] later then, i gotta run === robotgeek is now known as robotgeek_away === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:40] is linux generally capitalized? === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:42] LaserJock, yes [05:42] it's a proper noun [05:43] k, thanks === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:19] in general how do you guys figure out how much material you shoudl commit to the repo at one time? === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === artnay_ [n=jirig@shell.evtek.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:55] Burgundavia, of course attachments aren't page specific in Moin, it's not _that_ stupid [08:56] robotgeek_away, the idea was for the kubuntu desktop guide to use the Ubuntu desktop guide. but that isn't really ready yet. Best to talk to jjesse [08:56] mdke, hmm, ok I was mistaken. So it rises from chimp to that of great ape [08:57] a chimp is an ape [08:57] anyway, you get what i mean [08:57] bloody english, getting up early [08:58] :) [08:58] :) [08:58] it was a struggle... === Que_Pasa [n=chee_que@h8441201223.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:58] hello Que_Pasa, que pasa [08:59] :P [09:08] mdke, the caveat with attaching images from other icons if you have to know where they are attached to, that is ugh [09:08] s/icons/pages [09:13] anyway, night all === damnhil [n=h@dsl-66-243-235-105.elltel.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.5] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek_away is now known as robotgeek [10:22] mdke: hmm, i can atleast borrow the structure :) [10:25] robotgeek, hopefully much of the content too [10:26] stuff like java,etc should remain the same. Stuff like sound/internet will change [10:27] we'll see :) [10:29] yep [10:29] neways, just popped in to check the action, gotta sleep now [10:30] robotgeek, and if you see some problems with it, feel free to give us a patch on that too :) [10:30] night [10:30] mmm? [10:30] mdke: sure, will do. i just got vim setup to do docbook stuff [10:30] hey jsgotangco , just heading out. [10:31] night robotgeek === robotgeek is now known as robotgeek_zzz === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-140-176.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:00] Burgwork, if one did not do rm -rf a part of their machine that was important they might have done something on boot options yesterday - today I am busy but should get to it before weekend === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.12.147] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hawking [n=hawking@81.214.221.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.5] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:01] hmm, digg is linking to FirefoxNewVersion === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:16] hmm :-/ [07:16] no is good [08:36] interesting ad at the bottom of a newsforge article. "Ubuntu vs Xandros 3", paid for by Xandros [08:37] i saw that ad @ kubntuforums.net yesterday [08:38] lovely [08:38] funny that they are worried about us though, given their focus is very much in business [08:38] but I guess we threaten them in the education market === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@128.153.197.212] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.5] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-1-39.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc