| Kamion | yeah, what mako said - I don't imagine it'll be a problem once we have a good account of what you've done, it's just a matter of laying that out for us | 12:03 |
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| mako | anandaputra: cool.. email with me beforehand if you're unclear | 12:03 |
| mako | lmanul: alright | 12:04 |
| mako | lmanul: you're up | 12:04 |
| lmanul | :) | 12:04 |
| mako | lmanul: no need to repost | 12:05 |
| mako | lmanul: but give us MORE | 12:05 |
| anandaputra | ok.. thanks mako.. | 12:05 |
| lmanul | I first started using Linux back in 1999 with a "Yellow dog" distro onto my iMac. Since then, I've been using Debian quite a lot, until I found out about Ubuntu in spring 2005, simply fell in love with it, and decided to let it replace Debian on my 3 boxes (incl a server). Ubuntu had reached the point where I could really advise my non-computer-aware friends to switch to Linux. | 12:05 |
| lmanul | I then began to really contribute when I participated in Google's "Summer of Code 2005", and I had so much fun hacking Ubuntu and GNOME with the help of seb128 that I never stopped :) So here I am, wanting to really be part of the community, and keep on hacking (especially on UI issues) to make Ubuntu even easier to use and even nicer to look at ! | 12:05 |
| lmanul | Wiki page ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManuCornet ) and launchpad ( https://launchpad.net/people/manu-cornet ) but they mostly link to http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/ where I described what I've been doing for Ubuntu. | 12:05 |
| lmanul | A few recommandations : | 12:05 |
| lmanul | http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/lmanul_ubuntu | 12:05 |
| lmanul | And I think vuntz /queried Kamion a little while ago to give some recommandation about me as well | 12:05 |
| mako | cool | 12:06 |
| mako | i know you | 12:06 |
| ogra | do we really need recommendations ? | 12:06 |
| lmanul | And huh, dholbach doesn't seem to be here :) | 12:06 |
| ogra | lmanul, brought us the new logout dialog | 12:06 |
| seb128 | I think you have enough without him :p | 12:06 |
| earobinson | summer of code wow! | 12:06 |
| lmanul | ;-) | 12:06 |
| ogra | that speaks for itself :) | 12:06 |
| Kyral | umm, nuff said? | 12:06 |
| Kamion | 18:28 <vuntz> Manu has been helping enthusiastically in the past few months: he's implemented features, giving feedback, etc., and (this is most important) he has contributed to the "love" atmosphere of the | 12:06 |
| Kamion | desktop team. And he's French. So I support his application :-) | 12:06 |
| Kyral | lol | 12:07 |
| ogra | oh, and dont forget the add to panel dialog ... | 12:07 |
| licio | :-) | 12:07 |
| seb128 | "lmanul is a great contibutor for the desktop teams for some months now. He started with a bounty for the Google summer of code, working on the "add to panel" dialog for gnome-panel we ship at the moment and some change for gnome-menus/admin. He's responsive since on the bugs on the code he wrote, helps on bug triage, worked on a separator applet for gnome-applets (which is shipped upstream now), did the patch for the new gnome-session dialo | 12:07 |
| seb128 | g and the icons for it, and is active on IRC and on the desktop list. I recommend it for ubuntu membership | 12:07 |
| seb128 | " | 12:07 |
| mako | is being french an asset or a liability? <duck> | 12:07 |
| seb128 | that's what I wrote, better and the URI :p | 12:07 |
| mako | it depends on if you're trying to sign a contract i guess ;) | 12:07 |
| earobinson | lol | 12:08 |
| mako | according to elmo, it's very complicating and somehow involves the marquis de sade | 12:08 |
| ogra | mako, you could always pretend to be a french speaking brazilian :) | 12:08 |
| seb128 | beeing french make easier for you to read #ubuntu-desktop sometime :) | 12:08 |
| lmanul | haha | 12:08 |
| mako | seb128: i imagine :) | 12:08 |
| seb128 | :p | 12:08 |
| Kamion | I'm impressed by all the desktop contributions and I'm particularly pleased to see people continuing to work on Ubuntu after the Summer of Code | 12:09 |
| mako | Kamion: amen :) | 12:09 |
| mako | lmanul: thrilled to have your contributions to date | 12:09 |
| mako | and looking forward to the future | 12:09 |
| mako | lots of good stuff | 12:09 |
| === mako is happy with membership | ||
| Kamion | me too if it wasn't clear | 12:09 |
| elmo | ack too | 12:09 |
| === ogra waits for lmanul's gdm rewrite in dapper+1 | ||
| mako | lmanul: welcome :) | 12:09 |
| lmanul | Thanks a lot guys ! | 12:10 |
| ogra | welcome lmanul | 12:10 |
| lmanul | ogra, I'll do my best :-p | 12:10 |
| seb128 | lamont: congrats :) | 12:10 |
| raphink | welcome lmanul | 12:10 |
| ogra | *g* | 12:10 |
| seb128 | ups | 12:10 |
| seb128 | lmanul: congrats :) | 12:10 |
| ogra | lool | 12:10 |
| lmanul | Thanks everyone | 12:10 |
| licio | Congratulations lmanul | 12:10 |
| freeflying_ | mako: May I be the next | 12:11 |
| mako | freeflying_: you are next | 12:11 |
| freeflying_ | I live in China PRC , my name is Hou ZhengPeng , a member of ubuntu-cn locoteam .I've worked on package for kubuntu , do my best for BetterCJKsupport and do some test about CJK also I have translated some docs about ubntu into chinese . My future plan focus on following two : 1 promote the using of ubuntu in chinese ,2 establish kubuuntu-zh website for chinese 3 continue BetterCJKSupport spec | 12:11 |
| freeflying_ | My wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Freeflying | 12:11 |
| Riddell | freeflying_ has been doing great at telling me what to do to get CKJ support in kubuntu better | 12:12 |
| mako | freeflying_: i'd personally like to work with you on some of your input method work :) | 12:12 |
| ogra | mako, minghua is applying for membership today too :) | 12:12 |
| minghua | I read freeflying_'s (and other ubuntu-cn people's) work on ubuntu.org.cn | 12:13 |
| ogra | seems we finally have some people to solve input methds | 12:13 |
| mako | ogra: yes | 12:13 |
| minghua | they've done very well documentation work there, helping new users in the forums | 12:13 |
| Riddell | he's also packaged various CKJ fonts and skim input for kubuntu, so I'm all for his membership | 12:13 |
| === ogra thinks it smells like a MOTUInput team :) | ||
| mako | are the ubuntu-tw , ubuntu-cn and ubuntu-hk teams all collaborating on doc stuff? | 12:13 |
| mako | the wikipage seems to imply that | 12:13 |
| minghua | I also think freeflying_'s English skill is important for communication between Chinese users and the whole community | 12:14 |
| freeflying_ | mako: y , we are working on that | 12:14 |
| mako | wow, that's great :) | 12:14 |
| \sh | on freeflying and minghua are doing a great job in teaching motus and main devs how to use input methods...they helped a lot to find some issues in qt3 and the immodule patch :) | 12:14 |
| mako | debian had some pretty famous political problems in this regard | 12:14 |
| Kamion | minghua: I guess we'll get to you in a moment, but are you in broad agreement with freeflying_ on the direction we need to take on input methods? | 12:14 |
| minghua | I also appreciate his BetterCJKSupport proposal, which attracted quite some people | 12:14 |
| === mako nods to minghua | ||
| mako | i think this is one of the major areas that ubuntu needs to focus energy in the next year or two | 12:15 |
| minghua | Kamion: that depends on what he want to do with input method packages | 12:15 |
| mako | minghua: i'd like to have them connected to language packs | 12:15 |
| minghua | I've not talked with freeflying_ much on input method issue, and I don't really know his plan | 12:16 |
| mako | and have necessary configuration happen automagically | 12:16 |
| minghua | mako: we can get to it when it's my turn :-) | 12:16 |
| mako | cool | 12:16 |
| mako | freeflying_: how long have you been involved? | 12:16 |
| mako | ogra: how long have you seen freeflying_'s contributions? | 12:16 |
| mako | because the wikpage shows great work but seems a little thin IMHO | 12:17 |
| freeflying_ | mako: 5/2005 | 12:17 |
| Riddell | he's been around for a good while | 12:17 |
| mako | the magic month | 12:17 |
| === mako nods | ||
| ogra | mako, i'm not deep into KDE stuff, but since quite some time | 12:17 |
| minghua | freeflying_: I am interested in mako's question about cn, tw, hk's collaboration as well | 12:17 |
| freeflying_ | minghua: we may talk about that sonner after | 12:17 |
| Riddell | and is on #kubuntu-devel daily | 12:17 |
| mako | *some* amount of collaboration is going to be necessary in that we all work together at a common place | 12:17 |
| freeflying_ | s/sonner/sooner | 12:17 |
| mako | but if we can have more direct collaboration on obviously related problems, that's *awesome* | 12:17 |
| ogra | mako++ | 12:18 |
| minghua | mako: the BetterCJKSupport proposal work is done by all CJK people | 12:18 |
| mako | great | 12:18 |
| mako | ok.. | 12:18 |
| mako | lets get back to freeflying_'s application | 12:18 |
| mako | since it's been over 2 hours now | 12:18 |
| Kyral | yes...please... | 12:18 |
| minghua | but on the documentation side what I've seen is completed separated work | 12:18 |
| Kyral | Kyral....hungry.... | 12:18 |
| mako | Riddell, ogra: would you be ok with membership or prefer to wait a meeting or two | 12:19 |
| === ogra goes with Riddell, he can judge the KDE side better | ||
| Riddell | mako: he's been around long enough and has consistenly been helping with CJK, I'm all in support of his membership | 12:19 |
| mako | alright.. | 12:20 |
| === \sh agrees with riddell | ||
| Riddell | and tests dapper frequently for CJK and other issues | 12:20 |
| mako | freeflying_: are you involved in an loco team? | 12:20 |
| freeflying_ | mako: sure ubuntu-cn | 12:20 |
| mako | nice webpage :) | 12:21 |
| freeflying_ | mako: thx | 12:21 |
| Kamion | I'm fine with freeflying_ for membership based on testimonials | 12:22 |
| elmo | me too | 12:22 |
| mako | freeflying_: i'm happy to have you on board | 12:22 |
| mako | alright | 12:22 |
| mako | freeflying_: welcome! | 12:23 |
| minghua | congratulations freeflying_ | 12:23 |
| mako | last up to bat | 12:23 |
| freeflying_ | mako: thx | 12:23 |
| minghua | my turn? | 12:23 |
| freeflying_ | thx all | 12:23 |
| \sh | freeflying_: welcome on board :) | 12:23 |
| licio | welcome freeflying_ :-D | 12:23 |
| ogra | congrats freeflying_ | 12:23 |
| minghua | Okay. My name is Ming Hua. wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MingHua launchpad profile: https://launchpad.net/people/minghua | 12:23 |
| freeflying_ | \sh licio ogra :thx | 12:23 |
| minghua | I am a Chinese coming from mainland China. Currently I am a Ph.D. student on materials science, in Rice University, Houston, USA. | 12:24 |
| minghua | My main contribution so far has been: 1. testing and reporting bugs; 2. helping MOTUs with transitions and merges; 3. taking care of the SCIM related packages (I am the Debian maintainer of some of them). | 12:24 |
| minghua | My future plan would be: 1. maintaining and improving SCIM related packages, as input methods seem to be a popular request from users and Ubuntu seems to be lacking people that work on this; 2. help MOTU science team, especially on collaborating with Debian. | 12:24 |
| Kamion | minghua's been around for a long time - I remember your name from a conversation about translations late in the hoary cycle I think | 12:24 |
| minghua | I would also like to mention that I am heavily involved in the i18n/l10n work in Debian, which I think Ubuntu will also benefit from. | 12:24 |
| Kyral | I was surprised that he wasn't a Member | 12:24 |
| Kamion | or was it warty, one of those | 12:24 |
| minghua | Kamion: yes, that's probably my first Ubuntu bug :-) | 12:24 |
| minghua | mako: back to the input method issue you mentioned: I would love to see input method support integrated into lang-pack too | 12:25 |
| \sh | minghua is quite active in the MOTU area and also one of hell bug squasher | 12:25 |
| minghua | but I am not really a programmer, so I definitely need help on that | 12:25 |
| ogra | elmo just synced his scim package from debian :) | 12:26 |
| minghua | however as I've indicated on my wiki page, input method support is my first priority in both Debian and Ubunut | 12:26 |
| freeflying_ | minghua has contributed much oto scim | 12:26 |
| mako | minghua: we're gonna do it | 12:26 |
| Kamion | as with freeflying_ I'm happy to have more people who actually know about input methods, and particularly getting the Debian scim maintainer on-board is clearly the right thing to do | 12:26 |
| mako | minghua: if we can get people from 4 other languages represented.. we can do this | 12:26 |
| === mako nods to Kamion | ||
| minghua | and I would definitely pursue automatical IM support in dapper+1 if we don't have enough time for dapper | 12:26 |
| mako | minghua: we'll do it | 12:26 |
| Kamion | and I approve of the detailed wiki page :) | 12:27 |
| Kyral | okay I'm off. I support minghua :P | 12:27 |
| Kamion | so minghua++ as far as I'm concerned | 12:27 |
| minghua | thanks Kyral :-) | 12:27 |
| mako | minghua: i don't think we have time to test it honestly for dapper.. because the changes are pretty invasive | 12:27 |
| earobinson | bye Kyral | 12:27 |
| mako | minghua: we should *start* planning for dapper+1 | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | minghua is helping me (and MOTU Science in general) with his knowledge of Debian and desire for collaboration | 12:27 |
| elmo | ack from me too | 12:27 |
| mako | minghua: we should meet up sometime this week to strategize | 12:27 |
| minghua | mako: yes that's my concern too, especially dapper will be supported for 3 years | 12:27 |
| mako | minghua: awesome :) | 12:27 |
| minghua | mako: and scim upstream now essetianlly don't support old release branches :-( | 12:28 |
| earobinson | can I ask what " automatical IM support" is going to be? | 12:28 |
| minghua | mako: that would be wonderful (having some help from others) | 12:28 |
| Kamion | I believe I've approved everyone from this meeting in Launchpad; let me know if I've missed anyone | 12:29 |
| mako | Kamion: you rock | 12:29 |
| mako | awesome | 12:29 |
| mako | so i think that's it | 12:29 |
| minghua | earobinson: my vision is that you choose CJK (chinese, japanese, korean) as the language in install, input method (hopefully scim :-) packages will be automatically installed, and when you boot into you new gnome/kde desktop, you can use IM immediately | 12:29 |
| mako | i approve of minghua, if that wasn't clear | 12:29 |
| === ogra applauds minghua | ||
| Kamion | yep, any other business before we close? | 12:29 |
| mako | minghua: YES | 12:29 |
| \sh | minghua: congrats :) | 12:29 |
| mako | minghua: BROTHER | 12:29 |
| minghua | that still requries a lot of work, though | 12:29 |
| Kamion | please say no, my wife would like to actually see me tonight :) | 12:30 |
| minghua | thanks, mako, | 12:30 |
| mako | minghua: this has been my #1 goal for ubuntu since almost day one :) | 12:30 |
| mako | ok ok ok | 12:30 |
| minghua | thanks d ogra | 12:30 |
| mako | i think that means the MEETING IS OVER | 12:30 |
| mako | Kamion: quickly run away :) | 12:30 |
| mako | thanks everyone who was here at weird times | 12:30 |
| minghua | thanks for the CC members too | 12:30 |
| ogra | Kamion, only 30min and its early morning already, hurry up :) | 12:30 |
| mako | lets do it like 10 hours earlier next time | 12:31 |
| minghua | for such a long meeting | 12:31 |
| nealmcb | fascinating - thanks folks! | 12:31 |
| mako | next meeting at UTC12 | 12:31 |
| mako | two weeks from today | 12:31 |
| mako | ? | 12:31 |
| mako | sounds sane | 12:31 |
| Kamion | works for me | 12:31 |
| mako | cool | 12:31 |
| freeflying_ | minghua: would you mind have a talk about scim with me when you have time | 12:31 |
| elmo | me too | 12:32 |
| minghua | freeflying_: I have time right now | 12:32 |
| minghua | if it's not too early for you ;-) | 12:32 |
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| seb128 | elmo: could you install gnome-menus Build-Depends on the breezy amd64 chroot? | 12:32 |
| elmo | (mark will still be on tour tho, and likely unable to attend) | 12:32 |
| elmo | seb128: RT it? I'll do it before I go to bed | 12:32 |
| earobinson111 | sorry got DCed <earobinson> can I ask what " automatical IM support" is going to be? | 12:33 |
| seb128 | elmo: right, doing that now, thank you | 12:33 |
| mako | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 25 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 26 Jan 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 27 Jan 22:00 UTC: Documentation Team Meeting | 31 Jan 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 7 February 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 12:33 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:mako] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 25 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 26 Jan 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 27 Jan 22:00 UTC: Documentation Team Meeting | 31 Jan 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 7 February 12:00 UTC: Community Council | ||
| freeflying_ | minghua: anyway I'd have my breakfast firstly | 12:33 |
| mako | thanks everyone for showing up! | 12:33 |
| elmo | ok, I'm out. night all, thanks everuone | 12:33 |
| mako | g'night | 12:33 |
| manicka | ciao all | 12:33 |
| mako | i have another irc meeting to be in | 12:33 |
| mako | for the GPLv3 | 12:33 |
| mako | bah | 12:33 |
| azeem | yay meetings | 12:33 |
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| JaneW | hello | 01:00 |
| jelkner | good morning! | 01:00 |
| juliux | hi all | 01:00 |
| JaneW | hi jelkner | 01:00 |
| jelkner | JaneW: hi jane, did you get my email? | 01:01 |
| JaneW | jelkner: you are up first today :) | 01:01 |
| jelkner | cool! | 01:01 |
| JaneW | let's just give it 2 mins | 01:01 |
| jelkner | ok | 01:01 |
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| juliux | hi mhz | 01:02 |
| mhz | hi juliux | 01:02 |
| JaneW | Q: Who is the target audience for the Edubuntu Cookbook? Hosted by jelkner - 5-10 mins | 01:02 |
| flint_ | good morning edubuntu'ers | 01:02 |
| JaneW | flint_: wanna do minutes? | 01:02 |
| kjcole | Hi all. | 01:02 |
| JaneW | hi kjcole | 01:02 |
| JaneW | hi juliux | 01:03 |
| JaneW | hi mhz | 01:03 |
| kjcole | jelkner, outlines at http://docbox.flint.com/~kjcole/outlines.html | 01:03 |
| mhz | hi JaneW | 01:03 |
| flint_ | JaneW, we need to talk this offline. is matt around? | 01:03 |
| mhz | flint_: hi edubuntero | 01:03 |
| JaneW | flint_: I think he is yes | 01:03 |
| JaneW | ok is ogra around? | 01:04 |
| ogra | yup | 01:04 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: ping | 01:04 |
| JaneW | hi ogra | 01:04 |
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| JaneW | who else do we need? | 01:04 |
| ogra | i dont have to telly you much this week ... | 01:04 |
| JaneW | mhz: I do know that :) | 01:04 |
| mhz | heheh, it was for minutes purposes | 01:04 |
| JaneW | ogra: is that good or bad? | 01:04 |
| JaneW | ogra: do we have flight 3 testers? | 01:04 |
| ogra | good for ubuntu, bad for edubuntu :) | 01:04 |
| JaneW | :(( | 01:05 |
| JaneW | ok lets not get into that yet | 01:05 |
| ogra | i have done mostly ubuntu UVF work last week | 01:05 |
| JaneW | are we ready to start? | 01:05 |
| jelkner | tell me when | 01:05 |
| flint_ | Mauritzo, I like it ... edubuntero indeed! | 01:05 |
| JaneW | I have promised that jelkner can go first, since he has limited time... | 01:05 |
| JaneW | jelkner: hit it | 01:05 |
| jelkner | Ok, the question we need to resolve is: "Who is the target audience for the cookbook?" | 01:06 |
| JaneW | I would say the peron who sets up the lab | 01:06 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: pong, i am just about to go into another meeting though :/ | 01:06 |
| jelkner | the answer to that question will determine which way we go forward | 01:06 |
| JaneW | so either a teacher or beginner techie | 01:06 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: ok, can we have a web update next week? | 01:06 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: yep | 01:06 |
| jelkner | JaneW: that was my orignial assumption | 01:07 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: can you respond to question above? | 01:07 |
| JaneW | "Who is the target audience for the cookbook?" | 01:07 |
| flint_ | Morning Johnathan... | 01:07 |
| JaneW | I don;t think it's the kids necessarily, although they may read it too | 01:07 |
| JaneW | ogra? | 01:07 |
| jelkner | Keep in mind there are direct implications to how we work depending on what we are aiming at. | 01:07 |
| ogra | JaneW, ? | 01:07 |
| jelkner | and we don't want to aim at "everyone" | 01:08 |
| highvoltage | hi flihnt | 01:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: looking for an opinion on "Who is the target audience for the cookbook?" | 01:08 |
| jelkner | makes the book not that usable by anyone | 01:08 |
| ogra | yes, i wonder why :) | 01:08 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i think the answer to that is, from a technical pov, it should be doable by teachers without any help | 01:08 |
| JaneW | the book is about how to set up a lab ,right? | 01:08 |
| highvoltage | but organisations who would like to replicate should be able to use it | 01:08 |
| ogra | the atrget should be the admin who sets up the lab in first line | 01:08 |
| highvoltage | got to run, i'm being called! | 01:08 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: so you agree with my 'either a teacher or beginner techie' | 01:08 |
| JaneW | bye | 01:08 |
| flint_ | highvoltage, I promise by next meeting I ill learn how to spell... | 01:09 |
| ogra | but the content should make it possible to use the cookbook in a class as well to explain ltsp and edubuntu | 01:09 |
| JaneW | jelkner/ kjcole : think that's possible?^ | 01:09 |
| jelkner | ogra: what do you mean by "use the cookbook in a class"? | 01:09 |
| kjcole | JaneW: How to set up and use (as in ok, now I've got a lab... how do I use it to teach... Moodle, etc)... maybe. | 01:09 |
| lucasvo | I don't know in which class one is supposed to learn something about edubuntu | 01:09 |
| JaneW | jelkner: he is saying it can also be used to teach 'what is linux' 'what is FOSS' | 01:10 |
| ogra | jelkner, as teaching material .. | 01:10 |
| jelkner | hmm.. | 01:10 |
| ogra | JaneW, nope, not in this wide range | 01:10 |
| ogra | only what is ltsp, what is edubuntu | 01:10 |
| JaneW | jelkner: got a URL for the cookbook so we can see what's in it now? | 01:10 |
| ogra | there are enough good docs explaining FOSS out there :) | 01:10 |
| lucasvo | I think there should be a general part and a part with a step by step explanation(something like: do this: sudo do this: rm -rf / do this ....) | 01:11 |
| jelkner | there can never be enough! ;-) | 01:11 |
| lucasvo | so at the beginning of every chapter for e.g. Installation of Network hardware, there should be a theoretical part explaining TCP/IP, netmask and that kind of stuff | 01:12 |
| jelkner | Can I take a few minutes to explain what prompted this discussion? | 01:12 |
| JaneW | we need the url, so ppl like lucasvo can see it | 01:12 |
| Seveas | licio, pong | 01:12 |
| JaneW | jelkner: YES please do | 01:12 |
| jelkner | OK, we started with the TuxLab Cookbook | 01:13 |
| lucasvo | we need a "server" for bzr, so people can checkout and merge | 01:13 |
| jelkner | which is very much like the book most of you are describing | 01:13 |
| JaneW | ogra: you got a server for us? ;) | 01:13 |
| flint_ | lucasd, got one. docboc.flint.com | 01:13 |
| JaneW | jelkner: yes, cos that's what we have seen ;) | 01:13 |
| flint_ | corrction docbox.flint.com | 01:13 |
| jelkner | Ou original plan was to keep to that text as much a possible | 01:13 |
| jelkner | and to modify for Edubuntu | 01:13 |
| ogra | JaneW, if i can store the hwdb on your home PC you can have some space on my server :P | 01:14 |
| JaneW | jelkner: right, and has that changed? | 01:14 |
| jelkner | If we pursue this path, we will need help from ogra and others who actually built the system, to make sure we get it right | 01:14 |
| JaneW | sure we'll need some technical reviewing | 01:14 |
| ogra | jelkner, i'm a bit overloaded until after the sprint (feature freeze) after this i'll have some more time to care for docs etc ... | 01:15 |
| jelkner | in Kevin's discussion with ogra, he seemed to suggest that we won't need alot of the detail we were asking him for | 01:15 |
| flint_ | ogra, ollie, do not lie to the nice tech writer, you are a programmer. Documentation is your sworn enemy :^) | 01:16 |
| jelkner | and we didn't want to be a pain and keep bothering him, but while we can right, we don't know the details | 01:16 |
| jelkner | also there is the question of others wanting to participate more | 01:16 |
| JaneW | jelkner: right and is it very different to the current text? | 01:16 |
| jelkner | that got us thinking about a very different kind of cookbook | 01:17 |
| mhz | lucasvo: in an edubutu training class | 01:17 |
| ogra | i just led a new user through ltsp installation last night, i could advise him with two lines to get it working ... there are not much details you need to know ... | 01:17 |
| jelkner | one aimed not at technical folks, but at end users | 01:17 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco and mhz have become fairly involved they may be able to help with the tech writing | 01:17 |
| ogra | but the end users are technical folks in our case | 01:17 |
| jelkner | not true | 01:17 |
| ogra | i.e. school admins, teachers that care for the server | 01:17 |
| jelkner | at least in our area, most of the "users" aren't technical people at all | 01:18 |
| Treenaks | ogra: more technical than 'the general public', but still not sysadmin gods | 01:18 |
| ogra | i didnt say sysadmin gods ;) | 01:18 |
| JaneW | yes I also think that even 'technical' types my be only familiar with MS stuff | 01:18 |
| ogra | that should be enough | 01:18 |
| jelkner | the big question is around installation | 01:19 |
| jelkner | the TuxLab book is mostly about setting up a lab | 01:19 |
| jelkner | and *much* less about using it | 01:19 |
| kjcole | The original cookbook went into great detail about the stages of booting ("... then tftp bla-bla-bla...") Who was that intended for? | 01:19 |
| jelkner | Edubuntu is different in two ways: | 01:19 |
| jelkner | 1. It is much easier to setup | 01:19 |
| jelkner | 2. The applications is comes with are much more standard | 01:20 |
| JaneW | jelkner: know what, I am happy for you to create it in the way that you think it;s required, my reason for this is 3 fold. | 01:20 |
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| JaneW | 1) Your are doing the work | 01:20 |
| JaneW | 2) You are an educator and are closest to the type of traget audience we are looking at | 01:20 |
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| JaneW | 3) We have limited time to get it done and out there | 01:20 |
| kjcole | jelkner 3. No grants, standard equipment, etc. | 01:21 |
| jelkner | 4) This is not the only book, only one of many | 01:21 |
| JaneW | we can always amend it again, if we decide it needs to change for Dapper +1 for whatever reason | 01:21 |
| jelkner | so if it fills some good need and we can get it done, we are ahead | 01:21 |
| JaneW | is there agreement of my sledgehammer non-democratc approach? | 01:21 |
| mhz | ;) | 01:21 |
| ogra | JaneW, yes | 01:22 |
| lucasvo1 | JaneW: what is so non-democratic? | 01:22 |
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| flint_ | so the audience is teachers... | 01:22 |
| jelkner | ok, in that case, we have a plan that will involve much less work from the technical folks and much more opportuniy for community participation | 01:22 |
| mhz | imho, audience = any person in a school taking care of a lab | 01:22 |
| lucasvo1 | I would say the audiense are teachers with a little aim to get to know something about the techniques used in school | 01:22 |
| JaneW | flint_: no the auduence is whoever is going to set the lab up, which is likely educators in a lot of cases | 01:22 |
| jelkner | we are going to have a real cookbook, complete with lots of recipies | 01:22 |
| mhz | (computing lab) | 01:23 |
| flint_ | ok educator not teacher... | 01:23 |
| JaneW | lucasvo: I guess it wasn't that undemocratic, just manipulative ;) | 01:23 |
| jelkner | kevin and flint have taken a stab at an outline already | 01:23 |
| lucasvo1 | I would say NO education | 01:23 |
| lucasvo1 | why shouldn't one use it at home? | 01:23 |
| JaneW | mhz: agreed | 01:23 |
| jelkner | so if anyone wants to participate, we can invite them to submit a recipie | 01:23 |
| JaneW | jelkner: nice idea | 01:24 |
| mhz | wiki:EdubuntuRecipies :D | 01:24 |
| flint_ | lucasvol, educator rather than education, | 01:24 |
| lucasvo1 | I would say: any person who is aimed to learn a at least llittlebit about techniques used and has a goal to set up a lab | 01:24 |
| lucasvo1 | flint_: yes exactly | 01:24 |
| jelkner | mhz: great | 01:24 |
| JaneW | jelkner: we can also have community contributed hints and tips and 'favourite recipes' etc ;) | 01:24 |
| mhz | oooh, that was a thought | 01:24 |
| jelkner | JaneW | 01:25 |
| jelkner | JaneW: yes! | 01:25 |
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| kjcole | Before we decided to strip down the original, I tossed around an outline idea or three with flint (partially as a practical matter, partially to learn bzr) Those are at: http://docbox.flint.com/~kjcole/outlines.html | 01:25 |
| jelkner | ok, we will have an update in 2 weeks | 01:25 |
| jelkner | can we be early on the agenda for then? | 01:25 |
| JaneW | great, thanks guys :) | 01:25 |
| JaneW | sure | 01:25 |
| flint_ | "Who is the target audience for the cookbook?" | 01:25 |
| flint_ | Two ways this question can be answered. The two ways are... | 01:25 |
| flint_ | 1. "focus Elkner-san" apporoach ..this is a target rich environment. pick one and nail it. | 01:25 |
| flint_ | 2. "big tent many Clowns" develop a framework and fill as fast as possible. | 01:25 |
| JaneW | next week ogra and I are at the distrosprint, and may not make the meeting... | 01:25 |
| JaneW | depends how full our schedule is there... | 01:26 |
| ogra | i'd like to make it, but leats see | 01:26 |
| mhz | JaneW: jelkner: and we could even have EdubuntuStudyContent (fr whatever LMS we package) | 01:26 |
| JaneW | if there is going to be NO meeting I'll let you know by the end of Tuesday. | 01:26 |
| jelkner | mhz: yes, but that will take longer | 01:26 |
| kjcole | flint_ Big KITCHEN, many COOKS (spoil the... never mind) | 01:27 |
| JaneW | thanks jelkner and kjcole | 01:27 |
| jelkner | ok, i've got to go, thanks everyone! | 01:27 |
| mhz | jelkner: sure, but I am already listing some contents for a couple of 'pilot' training courses on Edubuntu for Teachers :D | 01:27 |
| JaneW | have a good day | 01:27 |
| jelkner | bye | 01:27 |
| flint_ | later jeff... | 01:27 |
| lucasvo1 | bye jelkner | 01:27 |
| ogra | ciao jelkner | 01:27 |
| JaneW | I ma happy that jelkner and kjcole have swing votes wrt the cook book to ensure that it has direction | 01:27 |
| mhz | bye jelkner | 01:27 |
| JaneW | ok, on the tech news | 01:28 |
| flint_ | kjcole, I do like the cookbook motif... | 01:28 |
| JaneW | ogra: you been pulled into ubuntu work this week? | 01:28 |
| ogra | sure | 01:28 |
| ogra | we had UVF, so i had to finish merges etc | 01:29 |
| ogra | additionally i was 3 days at the eurolinux conference | 01:29 |
| ogra | so not much edubuntu development this week | 01:29 |
| JaneW | are all merges done now? | 01:29 |
| flint_ | neat, how was eurolunux... | 01:29 |
| ogra | sure | 01:29 |
| JaneW | ok so where are we at? | 01:29 |
| JaneW | Edubuntu Flight 3 released | 01:29 |
| ogra | flint_, a bit diasappointing | 01:29 |
| JaneW | how's it looking? | 01:29 |
| flint_ | ogra, sorry. | 01:30 |
| ogra | JaneW, yes, we are at flight 3 | 01:30 |
| JaneW | and how much more ids there to do? | 01:30 |
| ogra | flight 4 will have gobby included | 01:30 |
| JaneW | ogra: did you see silbs' response re the artwork? | 01:30 |
| JaneW | great, is there a date for flight 4 yet? | 01:30 |
| ogra | i only have to finish my goals, am waiting for a initramfs patch that infinity wants to make and a patch to gdm seb128 needs to review | 01:30 |
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| ogra | i guess flight4 might be past the sprint | 01:31 |
| ogra | i doubt Kamion wants to do only CD work during the sprint | 01:31 |
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| JaneW | ogra: no I expect it will be week after next | 01:34 |
| JaneW | when is the next freeze date? | 01:34 |
| ogra | one week after the sprint iirc | 01:34 |
| JaneW | Feb 23 | 01:34 |
| kjcole | ogra: I forget: Is sobby mature enough to go along with gobby? | 01:34 |
| JaneW | Feature Freeze | 01:34 |
| JaneW | wtf is sobby? | 01:35 |
| ogra | kjcole, sobby is in universe :/ | 01:35 |
| JaneW | ogra battled to get gobby in, pitti was initially not happy with it. | 01:35 |
| ogra | its not really matureds | 01:35 |
| kjcole | JaneW a stand-alone server for gobby | 01:35 |
| JaneW | kjcole: oic | 01:35 |
| ogra | JaneW, sobby is cool, but had only its first release ... | 01:35 |
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| ogra | its a bit young yet | 01:36 |
| JaneW | ogra: re artwork | 01:36 |
| ogra | yup | 01:36 |
| flint_ | kjcole, you got sobby running eh? | 01:36 |
| mhz | ogra: will an LMS be included ready to use ? | 01:36 |
| JaneW | if we only get one set of prof work can we use that for the default install? | 01:36 |
| ogra | i would like to propose to go with mid age rather than young age as default | 01:36 |
| JaneW | ogra: we will then need to use community work for other optional looks | 01:36 |
| ogra | but yes, we can ... | 01:36 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok, does everyone agree with that? | 01:36 |
| kjcole | flint_ tried it out ONCE and it worked okay for the few minutes of testing... | 01:37 |
| JaneW | go for a default install aimed at 10-16 year olds | 01:37 |
| JaneW | instead of the younger crowd | 01:37 |
| JaneW | ? | 01:37 |
| mhz | JaneW: i do | 01:37 |
| ogra | kjcole, look at it with 20 ppl logged in ... | 01:37 |
| JaneW | the 3rd option will just be very plain, so shouldn;t take much | 01:37 |
| ogra | JaneW, yup | 01:37 |
| flint_ | JaneW, the skin of this has always been your call. | 01:37 |
| ogra | i'd like to be able to use something from the community for the young ones ... | 01:38 |
| kjcole | ogra: +1 re: mid-range | 01:38 |
| ogra | having a bit freedom there would be nicer | 01:38 |
| flint_ | ogra, what about a menu choice of skin in flight 4? | 01:38 |
| JaneW | flint_: not really, in the first release I was applying the decisions from the summit, with a good dose of personal preference admittedly ;) | 01:38 |
| JaneW | ok then we need to doc this change | 01:38 |
| ogra | flint_, already there through dpkg-reconfigure | 01:38 |
| JaneW | we have it published that the default is the younger skin | 01:39 |
| ogra | flint_, i'm just missing skins :) | 01:39 |
| flint_ | JaneW, If you do not continue to lead the art aspect, we will have nothing to annoy you about... :^) | 01:39 |
| ogra | so all you select looks the same | 01:39 |
| JaneW | :P | 01:39 |
| JaneW | ogra: so the splash screens will all be the same right> | 01:39 |
| JaneW | ? | 01:39 |
| mhz | JaneW: so, default = 10 -> 16 y.o ? | 01:39 |
| JaneW | just wall papper and fonts and icons will vary? | 01:39 |
| JaneW | mhz: it seems so yes. | 01:40 |
| ogra | JaneW, we can still decide that later in case we get some community contributions | 01:40 |
| ogra | artwork freeze is far in the future | 01:40 |
| JaneW | ogra: will management agree? I don;t want a ton of bricks dropped on me again ;) | 01:40 |
| ogra | (UI freeze) | 01:40 |
| JaneW | ogra: I will need to rally for them | 01:40 |
| ogra | we have still time to discuss that | 01:40 |
| mhz | JaneW: and slib willprovide what? | 01:41 |
| ogra | i'll answer the artwork thread today | 01:41 |
| JaneW | silbs will proved one set of art work, not 3 | 01:41 |
| mhz | ooops, rephrase, and what would slib provide then? | 01:41 |
| JaneW | so it;s up to us to arrnage the rest | 01:41 |
| ogra | the default artwork | 01:41 |
| JaneW | and the prof work will be used for the default install | 01:41 |
| kjcole | (I think I can speak for jelkner as a +1 on artwork scaled to an older audience as well. Not that as a high school teacher he has a bias or anything... ;-)) | 01:41 |
| mhz | yeah but wich age? or you mean 10 to 16 year olds | 01:41 |
| mhz | ? | 01:41 |
| flint_ | JaneW, since when are you so worried about management? ticking off mdz is a shared pleasure. | 01:42 |
| JaneW | flint_: yeah but I | 01:42 |
| JaneW | 'll be seeing him next week, so I'm scared ;) | 01:42 |
| ogra | flint_, but you never gain what you want ... | 01:42 |
| ogra | flint_, so its just a waste of energy :) | 01:43 |
| ogra | (ticking off mdz i mean) | 01:43 |
| flint_ | ogra, na, you need to take this in a life-context, all I really enjoy is making matt think! | 01:43 |
| ogra | flint_, at 4am in the morning ? | 01:43 |
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| flint_ | ogra, 04:30 and he was awake... | 01:44 |
| ogra | i woulddnt expect anyone to *think* at this time | 01:44 |
| flint_ | you do not know matt. he was using that as a pretext. | 01:44 |
| JaneW | ok what else is on the agenda? | 01:44 |
| mhz | JaneW: so, slib will provide 10 -16 ? | 01:44 |
| flint_ | anyway, the art thing is a good idea. | 01:45 |
| JaneW | mhz: I need to follow up with her again | 01:45 |
| ogra | me too | 01:45 |
| mhz | ooh, okis | 01:45 |
| JaneW | mhz: I previously communicated that 6-10 would be the default install | 01:45 |
| mhz | hehehe | 01:45 |
| ogra | i'm still lagging behind with mail | 01:45 |
| flint_ | JaneW, who or what is slib? | 01:45 |
| JaneW | mhz: we decided to change that today | 01:45 |
| JaneW | mhz: so we need to document and communicate that. | 01:45 |
| ogra | i think we grew up a bit and the artwork should reflect that :) | 01:45 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok | 01:46 |
| JaneW | ogra: and gartoon? | 01:46 |
| ogra | for 0-6 | 01:46 |
| JaneW | ogra: the rest of the look and feel? | 01:46 |
| mhz | ogra: i totally agree | 01:46 |
| ogra | a community wallpaper for 0-6 is easy to grab from a.u.c | 01:46 |
| ogra | i'm uncertain about 10-X | 01:46 |
| JaneW | ok, I'll mail the powers that be, I'd like to see the font and icon choices etc to see the new look | 01:47 |
| mhz | JaneW: ogra: my art boys have not given priority to edubunut artwork because they noticed default won't be ours, so they want on vacation until nextweek ,afaik :( | 01:47 |
| ogra | i think font is up to us ... and for the older ages we should just go with the default icons ... | 01:47 |
| JaneW | mhz: :( understandable... | 01:48 |
| mhz | JaneW: understandable but I dont like it | 01:48 |
| JaneW | ppl like the current font and icons in my experience btw... | 01:48 |
| ogra | so lets probably keep the icons and font for 6-10 as well | 01:49 |
| mhz | JaneW: however, I had done some little stuff for a grown-up dark theme ;) (so at least, wallpaper and GTK theme is ready) | 01:49 |
| ogra | and just change the wallpaper between these two ... | 01:49 |
| ogra | but that still leaves open 10-X | 01:49 |
| JaneW | ogra: I suspect we'll have to have a couple of options and display them to management, and let them make the final call. | 01:50 |
| flint_ | ogra, I personally fee that an X rates theme will have little classroom use :^) | 01:50 |
| ogra | flint_, come on, thats for the grown ups :) | 01:50 |
| flint_ | ogra, here is where you may have issue with management. | 01:51 |
| ogra | JaneW, fine with me | 01:51 |
| ogra | flint_, naah, we have so beatiful nekkid peoplle pics we could use | 01:51 |
| ogra | ;) | 01:52 |
| flint_ | seriously, stick to your guns and make management put resources into the mechanisim of this product. do not work so hard on the show-y outside as an issue. | 01:52 |
| mhz | JaneW: ogra: just let me know if the 'options-to-show' are needed and I will move the earth to get it done very quickly | 01:52 |
| ogra | flint_, in any case the screenshots are what people look at | 01:53 |
| flint_ | ogra, I know, it is just not what I see... | 01:53 |
| JaneW | mhz: options-to-show? | 01:55 |
| ogra | JaneW, community artwork for inclusion | 01:55 |
| mhz | JaneW: I thought you wanted to discuss this with management | 01:56 |
| mhz | and if needed community artwork, I could surely put some nice pressure on it | 01:56 |
| flint_ | mhz, one of my favorite reasons for calling folks at odd hours is that "management" should be here or it should be us! | 01:56 |
| mhz | hehehe, :) | 01:57 |
| JaneW | we still have http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ for community art work submissions | 01:57 |
| JaneW | please use it | 01:57 |
| mhz | in case someone needs daaarrrkk GTK -> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez/EdubuntuRelatedPhotos | 01:57 |
| flint_ | this "management" issue is the major strutural flaw in edubuntu, and someone should communicate it eh Jane? | 01:58 |
| JaneW | mhz: I am pretty sure we will need community work, we have been told we only get one set of prof work, and I repleid saying we'd need to use community stuff for the rest | 01:58 |
| JaneW | I am assuming 'silence gives consent' | 01:58 |
| mhz | JaneW: lol! I love your idea | 01:58 |
| ogra | flint_, management issue ? | 01:58 |
| JaneW | mhz: wow - why so dark? | 01:59 |
| JaneW | mhz: could be good for the plain one that was requested | 01:59 |
| mhz | JaneW: because I have intolerance to light | 01:59 |
| JaneW | mhz: more terminal like and less distracting | 01:59 |
| JaneW | mhz: oic | 01:59 |
| mhz | and because I love terminal looks :D | 01:59 |
| flint_ | ogra, later. | 01:59 |
| JaneW | ok our time is up | 02:00 |
| JaneW | are we done? | 02:00 |
| mhz | JaneW: I was making a greyish one (kind of metalic g4 powerbook) but ended up with black :P | 02:00 |
| JaneW | so do we have no voluntary scribe? | 02:00 |
| JaneW | mhz: grey could be nice | 02:00 |
| mhz | scribe? | 02:00 |
| JaneW | mhz: minute taker | 02:00 |
| JaneW | mhz: person to document the meeting decisions and actions | 02:01 |
| mhz | JaneW: yeah, the idea was grey-water-metallic | 02:01 |
| mhz | JaneW: how soon do you need the minutes of the meetings? | 02:01 |
| JaneW | mhz: asap, but really we just need them done | 02:01 |
| flint_ | mhz, interesting stuff Mauricio, I gotta stick with the janester here, can you turn it up to say, grey? | 02:01 |
| JaneW | I was doing them after the meeting each week, but I just never get around to doing them anymore | 02:02 |
| JaneW | mhz: ideally within a day of the meeting | 02:02 |
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| JaneW | mhz: in point form would be fine | 02:02 |
| mhz | JaneW: if it is ok, I can have them done as soon as I finish my 3 letters and provide breakfast to family (total 4 hours) | 02:02 |
| JaneW | mhz: perfect! | 02:02 |
| ogra_ | grumble | 02:02 |
| JaneW | mhz: you really are a star | 02:02 |
| mhz | JaneW: then we'll have those minutes today before 5 hours | 02:03 |
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| ogra | mhz, btw, its caller 6.04, not 6.4 | 02:03 |
| flint_ | JaneW, this thing with Mauricio is a good thing. | 02:03 |
| mhz | JaneW: not a star, just a guy still wanting to try out your cakes :D | 02:03 |
| ogra | *called | 02:03 |
| mhz | ogra: duh! yeah! food point | 02:03 |
| mhz | good | 02:03 |
| ogra | :) | 02:03 |
| mhz | flint_: grey, sure! that was gonna be it until I thought people would not use such a plain dark thing :) | 02:04 |
| kjcole | (mhz, freudian slip "food point" with all that talk about breakfast and cakes.) | 02:04 |
| mhz | yup, lol! | 02:05 |
| flint_ | mhz, did you get an account on the docbox | 02:05 |
| mhz | well, I have to run to provide breakfast before you get evening news saying "young very handsome chubby chilean died this morning..." | 02:05 |
| mhz | flint_: dont remember.. I have been very bussy trying to get sponsors for Ubuntu Tour in LA | 02:06 |
| mhz_food | I'll keep this open for 'minutes' purposes | 02:06 |
| mhz_food | See ya all later, alegators! | 02:07 |
| kjcole | I plan to write up something of a "best practices" for bzr (as gleaned from talks with ogra, jblack and lifeless) and put them in both the wiki and docbox. | 02:07 |
| flint_ | kjcole, I think we will serve mhz up on the server eh? | 02:07 |
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| flint_ | as they say at Gallaudet, as Kevin has taught me, breakfast awaits stop keying, stop keying := sksk | 02:07 |
| JaneW | mhz_food: hehehe | 02:07 |
| flint_ | bye all sksk | 02:07 |
| kjcole | later flint sksk | 02:08 |
| ogra | kjcole, according to a mail from sabdfl we'll have the supermirror soon | 02:08 |
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| kjcole | ogra, yeah I saw that e-mail and sent it to flint and a few others. | 02:08 |
| ogra | great | 02:08 |
| kjcole | ogra, but what I meant was the ideas of people should expect someone central to pull / merge, rather than each of them trying to push to the central repository. | 02:09 |
| kjcole | Time for me to run... as usual. Ta-ta. | 02:10 |
| lucasvo | ogra: what means "soon"? | 02:12 |
| lucasvo | :p | 02:12 |
| lucasvo | when will the supermirror be available? | 02:12 |
| ogra | no idea, the code snippets are there | 02:13 |
| lucasvo | so it will be integrated into launchpad? | 02:13 |
| ogra | but the launcpad team is busy with changing the build environment from buildds to launchpad .. | 02:13 |
| ogra | it will be the core of launchpad, yes | 02:13 |
| lucasvo | ok | 02:14 |
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