| minghua | it would be interesting to have two Chinese l10n guy applying for membership the same day though | 12:02 |
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| Kyral | lol | 12:03 |
| minghua | (especially that said two people are NOT working together) | 12:04 |
| Kyral | lol | 12:04 |
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| ogra | why in a couple of months ? | 12:05 |
| Kyral | You really think I can get MOTU right now? | 12:05 |
| Kyral | I only have 2 packages | 12:06 |
| minghua | If it's up to me, I would like to give MOTU membership to people who probably lack skills but willing to learn/discuss/cooperate | 12:07 |
| Kyral | like me lol | 12:07 |
| minghua | the latter seems more important to me | 12:07 |
| ajmitch_ | since the only difference between member & MOTU is upload rights, I would prefer that people have proven skills first | 12:09 |
| Kyral | yah..and mine aren't proven lol | 12:09 |
| Kyral | Granted they are MUCH better then they were when I started | 12:09 |
| minghua | ajmitch_: hmm, you are probably right | 12:09 |
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| derekS | where can i make a backports request? | 12:10 |
| minghua | ajmitch_: maybe I should reconsider, I didn't really think carefully | 12:10 |
| Kyral | derekS: Backports Forum on UbuntuForums | 12:10 |
| derekS | hmm, its down | 12:10 |
| minghua | derekS: there is also a mailing list | 12:10 |
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| minghua | derekS: although I was told the requests should go to forums, but since it's down.... | 12:11 |
| derekS | ok | 12:11 |
| derekS | no one takes requests personally? | 12:12 |
| derekS | :) | 12:12 |
| Kyral | no | 12:12 |
| derekS | ok | 12:12 |
| \sh | derekS: mez or jdong | 12:12 |
| \sh | when they are online...I think mez is a good guy to ask directly | 12:13 |
| derekS | \sh: thanks | 12:13 |
| derekS | Mez: ping? | 12:13 |
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| derekS | *s | 12:13 |
| derekS | \sh: while i have you here, are there any good console jabber clients? | 12:14 |
| \sh | derekS: well...if I need a console client, I would use centericq-utf8 | 12:14 |
| derekS | \sh: i am looking for something to keep running in the background 24/7 | 12:15 |
| \sh | derekS: yes :) centericq-utf8 ... it's a console multi-im client...and jabber works perfektly :) | 12:15 |
| derekS | \sh: how does aim work on it? | 12:16 |
| derekS | \sh: i am looking for something to keep running in the background 24/7 | 12:16 |
| derekS | blah sorry about that | 12:16 |
| derekS | wrong window | 12:16 |
| \sh | derekS: should work properly | 12:16 |
| \sh | derekS: I don't use it for other things as jabber :) | 12:16 |
| derekS | \sh: :) | 12:17 |
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| LaserJock | way to go all new Ubuntu Members!! | 12:31 |
| azeem | \o/ | 12:31 |
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| ogra | :) | 12:32 |
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| minghua | :-) | 12:34 |
| LaserJock | like it was even needed ;-) | 12:34 |
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| LaserJock | hi robotgeek | 12:44 |
| robotgeek | hey LaserJock | 12:46 |
| \sh | hmmm...now I could need help from slomo | 12:48 |
| Riddell | where's the motu requests wiki page again? | 12:49 |
| \sh | last try with vlc for today...this firefox thingie drives me mad | 12:49 |
| \sh | UniverseCandidates? | 12:49 |
| Riddell | ah yes | 12:50 |
| Riddell | man, that's a big page | 12:50 |
| ogra | yes, we were aiming for a better system for breezy already | 12:51 |
| \sh | we would like to switch to launchpad or an RT based system | 12:51 |
| Riddell | just add a launchpad team and assign bugs to it? | 12:52 |
| ogra | we have the MOTU team | 12:52 |
| ogra | there team assigning would actually make some sense ... | 12:52 |
| minghua | freeflying_: I am going home now, if you come back, wait for a while, I should be online in 20 minutes | 12:52 |
| minghua | see you guys later | 12:53 |
| \sh | or we just wait until it hits debian | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | hm, >500MB to dist-upgrade | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | been a lot of changes lately | 01:00 |
| chillywilly | bah | 01:00 |
| chillywilly | I cannot log into my ubuntu server after I ripped some ldap packages out..so I rebooted witha live CD and fixed up nsswitch.conf but still no dice...anyone have any ideas? :) | 01:01 |
| chillywilly | even form the terminal it says login incorrect after waiting a few secs | 01:03 |
| \sh | chillywilly: check /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow if your user is in it... | 01:03 |
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| slomo | \sh: why? | 01:10 |
| \sh | slomo: vlc and matroska doesn't work | 01:10 |
| \sh | I tried to recompile | 01:10 |
| \sh | but this doesn't help either | 01:10 |
| \sh | VLC media player 0.8.4 Janus | 01:10 |
| \sh | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x085e2300 *** | 01:10 |
| \sh | Aborted | 01:10 |
| slomo | \sh: uh... nice... amd64? | 01:11 |
| \sh | (that's the recompiled version) | 01:11 |
| \sh | slomo: i386 | 01:11 |
| slomo | ok... | 01:11 |
| slomo | try gdb :) | 01:11 |
| \sh | slomo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7591 | 01:13 |
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| \sh | looks like libebml or libmatroska | 01:14 |
| \sh | and I don't understand why only the -dev packages are in our archives | 01:14 |
| slomo | maybe a static-only library? | 01:14 |
| \sh | yes | 01:15 |
| slomo | i hate such libs... | 01:15 |
| slomo | and it should be libebml... hmm, maybe a new version was released or something was fixed in cvs for it... | 01:15 |
| \sh | I mean, there can be several possibilities why it doesn't work | 01:16 |
| \sh | 1. matroska is broken | 01:16 |
| \sh | 2. vlc is broken | 01:16 |
| \sh | 3. gcc-snapshot is the issue | 01:16 |
| \sh | gcc-snapshot build-dep was introduced in 20 sep 2005 | 01:16 |
| slomo | yes... hm, maybe try to build it with gcc 4.0? | 01:17 |
| \sh | slomo: well...I have to go to bed now :) need to be at 8 in the new office | 01:17 |
| slomo | no idea... but i need to go to bed now... only 5 hours of sleep left :( | 01:17 |
| slomo | new office? where? :) | 01:17 |
| \sh | slomo: but if you have to time and the nerves...give it a go :) | 01:17 |
| \sh | slomo: cologne...doing some freelancing work :) | 01:18 |
| \sh | slomo: please watch tomorrow mtv and viva and check for something from mobilelabs/contenthouse :) | 01:18 |
| slomo | hmm, ringtones? | 01:18 |
| azeem | are they doing dialtones? | 01:18 |
| azeem | haha | 01:19 |
| \sh | slomo: better | 01:19 |
| \sh | slomo: IM via mobile | 01:19 |
| slomo | games? | 01:19 |
| \sh | and some mailbox style java apps (dynamic content) only via IP over grps... | 01:19 |
| \sh | well...actually you can think of me then, because now you know who is taking care about the quad xeon machines :) | 01:20 |
| \sh | and all the application servers :) | 01:20 |
| slomo | sounds interesting... and more useful than ringtones or games =) | 01:20 |
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| slomo | anyway... bed... good night everybody :) | 01:20 |
| \sh | slomo: I'll try tomorrow then to compile vlc with our plain toolchain compiler suite | 01:21 |
| chillywilly | blah... | 01:22 |
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| minghua | hello, I am back :-) | 01:22 |
| minghua | freeflying_: there? | 01:22 |
| \sh | ok..off to bed...cu | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | night \sh | 01:24 |
| minghua | good night \sh | 01:24 |
| minghua | talking to \sh is hard for me... the \ key is on different positions of my two keyboards :-( | 01:24 |
| Riddell | minghua: chinese don't use MS-DOS lots? :) | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | time for me to walk back to LCA :) | 01:25 |
| tseng | i think MS-DOS was probably before i18n | 01:26 |
| Riddell | ajmitch: say hi to aaron and lathiat for me | 01:26 |
| minghua | Riddell: they used to, but not anymore | 01:26 |
| Riddell | ajmitch: make sure they're handing out Kubuntu CDs | 01:26 |
| minghua | Riddell: Hmm, I see your point, but I didn't use MSDOS much | 01:26 |
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| minghua | and I never was good at typing the long path anyway... linux rules with / :-) | 01:27 |
| freeflying_ | minghua: hi | 01:27 |
| minghua | tseng: believe it or not, MSDOS probably had better Chinese i18n than Mac OS X now :-) | 01:27 |
| tseng | seeing as there are way less strings | 01:28 |
| tseng | i believe you | 01:28 |
| minghua | freeflying_: if you prefer Chinese, we can go to another channel or use private talk | 01:28 |
| freeflying_ | minghua: ubuntu-zh | 01:28 |
| chillywilly | pam hates me | 01:30 |
| crimsun | minghua: sorry about -meeting; had a conference call | 01:30 |
| minghua | on the other hand, though, the Chinese i18n in MSDOS was the root of all troubles the linux i18n are dealing with today | 01:31 |
| minghua | crimsun: no problem at all, you support is still very appreciated :-) | 01:31 |
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| crimsun | StevenK: was the update for quodlibet 0.17-1ubuntu1 intentional since 0.17.1-2 is in Sid? | 01:39 |
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| chillywilly | bah, pam was configured to load pam_ldap.so and I had ripped it out already so that's what was causing all my fun ;P | 01:46 |
| chillywilly | time to go home now | 01:46 |
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| Kyral | hmm | 02:27 |
| Kyral | what is this "Support Request" thing on Launchpad | 02:28 |
| LaserJock | umm, to request support ;-) | 02:30 |
| ogra | we thought about using them as universe candidates replacement ... | 02:31 |
| ogra | but you cant assign them to a group ... | 02:31 |
| minghua | last time I heard about it, it was with "you may try following that link, but I have no idea if it works at all" :-) | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | ogra: could we get that feature added? | 02:32 |
| ogra | LaserJock, probably | 02:32 |
| raphink | Riddell: are you around? | 02:32 |
| Kyral | hey LJ | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | hi Kyral | 02:33 |
| Kyral | you gonna confirm or close this bug? | 02:34 |
| Kyral | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.6/+bug/3194 | 02:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 3194: "No non-unicode wxWidgets 2.6" Fix req. for: wxwidgets2.6 (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: Unconfirmed | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | well, I was thinking of giving them time to come up with a real bug ;-) | 02:34 |
| Kyral | lol | 02:34 |
| Kyral | Okay just askin' | 02:34 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: btw, my wife loves the puppy picture | 02:34 |
| Kyral | I'm bored and am running through the untriaged bugs | 02:34 |
| Kyral | LaserJock: lol | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: if you find Science ones let me know. we really need to get a handle on those | 02:36 |
| Kyral | I'll make a quick run through the UnAssigned | 02:37 |
| Kyral | okay..I'm gonna confirm and wishlist this one | 02:38 |
| Kyral | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/3640 | 02:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 3640: "After installed, NTFS not readable and FAT read-only" Fix req. for: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed | 02:38 |
| Kyral | Anyone object to that? | 02:38 |
| Kyral | I'm thinking I should assign it to someplace but I don't know where lol | 02:39 |
| === Kyral shrugs | ||
| Kyral | Someone can change the bug report if they want | 02:41 |
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| Kyral | like 5248 | 02:44 |
| Kyral | ..Malone 5248 | 02:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 5248: "People should now that next reboot is going to last a lot." Fix req. for: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/5248 | 02:44 |
| minghua | nice bug, I would say :-) | 02:45 |
| Kyral | Yah | 02:45 |
| Kyral | Confirm, WISHLIST | 02:45 |
| Kyral | You wanna see a bad bug report? | 02:45 |
| Kyral | Malone 5729 | 02:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 5729: "cant acces cd-rom drive or floppy" Fix req. for: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/5729 | 02:46 |
| minghua | no, it's definitely not going to apply for dapper anymore | 02:46 |
| minghua | so confirmed is probably not a good status | 02:46 |
| Kyral | Wishlist? | 02:47 |
| minghua | Yikes, that's a bad bug indeed | 02:47 |
| Kyral | yah | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | reject them all!, haha j/k | 02:48 |
| Kyral | hey LJ you want me to assign Malone 5950 to MOTU Science | 02:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 5950: "python-netcdf does not depend on python-scientific, but does need it" Fix req. for: python-scientific (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/5950 | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: yes | 02:50 |
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| Kyral | damn you its mine! | 02:50 |
| minghua | sounds like our MOTUScience's stuff | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | We need to be somewhat cautious about assigning stuff to MOTUScience since we only have 1 MOTU right now. | 02:51 |
| minghua | Kyral: Err... sorry. will give one back to you in the future :-) | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | so if it is something we are willing to do then fine, assign it to us | 02:51 |
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| Kyral | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/6169 | 02:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6169: "Winmodem installation" Fix req. for: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed | 02:51 |
| bddebian | Hey, we buggin'? :) | 02:52 |
| LaserJock | but also subscribe ubuntu-bugs so that the rest of the MOTU know what's going on | 02:52 |
| Kyral | I am :P | 02:52 |
| minghua | Hmm, maybe we should just subscribe motu-science to it instead of assigning | 02:52 |
| Kyral | too late | 02:52 |
| minghua | LaserJock: you mean universe-bugs, don't you? | 02:52 |
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| LaserJock | minghua: yeah | 02:53 |
| Kyral | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-xconfig/+bug/6600 | 02:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6600: "This package conflicts with nvidia-glx" Fix req. for: nvidia-xconfig (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed | 02:54 |
| Kyral | Rejected :P | 02:54 |
| minghua | #5950 seems easy enough and I think we can fix that, no problem assigning to us | 02:54 |
| Kyral | I just AptSh on both and neither confirmed that | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | minghua: well we could just subscribe but I think it is probably good to assign some too so that people see that we a contact for science related apps. Either way, I think for now it is best to make sure both MOTU Science and universe-bugs are getting the reports | 02:55 |
| minghua | we have a package named dog? | 02:55 |
| minghua | LaserJock: yeah, image building :-) | 02:56 |
| ogra | minghua, yes, its similar to cat, but doesnt meow | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | minghua: yeah, to some degree. It's good to do a little PR work now and then ;-) | 02:57 |
| minghua | Err, you can add someone to bug subscription but not getting him off? | 02:57 |
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| minghua | on the other side, ubuntu-bugs seems to subscribe every bug, so I'll just subscribe universe-bugs for #5950 then | 02:58 |
| Kyral | Guys | 02:59 |
| Kyral | I already assigned it to MOTU Science "{ | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: did you also subscribe universe-bugs? | 02:59 |
| Kyral | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/systeminstaller/+bug/28626 <---Explain and Reject :P | 02:59 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 28626: "install k7 kernel on an athlon" Fix req. for: systeminstaller (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed | 02:59 |
| Kyral | LaserJock: no :( | 02:59 |
| minghua | LaserJock: no, but I've just done that | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | ok, all I'm saying is, for now we should make sure the bug reports go to both ubuntu-science and universe-bugs because if we assign all the science related bugs to us now I think we might be overwhelmed while the rest of the MOTU won't know what's going on | 03:01 |
| Kyral | Anyone agree that its okay to Reject that bug? | 03:01 |
| minghua | we can always reassign the bugs we can't deal with back to universe-bugs once in a while ;-) | 03:02 |
| Kyral | anyone? | 03:02 |
| minghua | Kyral: that's a perfectly valid bug in my opinion | 03:02 |
| Kyral | minghua: but its been addressed MANY times | 03:02 |
| Kyral | There is not enough space on the Install CD | 03:03 |
| minghua | is there another bug? make it a duplicate then | 03:03 |
| Kyral | no | 03:03 |
| Kyral | but I have answered it MANY times :P | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | that isn't grounds to reject it | 03:03 |
| Kyral | and AFIAK it isn't gonna change | 03:03 |
| minghua | that's why you need to keep a bug, explains there, and refer other people to it every other time :-) | 03:04 |
| bddebian | Man, I am sooo far behing :'-( | 03:04 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: don't worry, you'll catch up :-) | 03:04 |
| Kyral | fine fine | 03:04 |
| Kyral | I | 03:04 |
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| Kyral | will confirm and wishlist | 03:04 |
| Kyral | happy? | 03:04 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I dunno, I'm looking at the buglist.. Sheesh | 03:04 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: well, we move from bugzilla to malone so I think that contributes | 03:05 |
| bddebian | Yeah, I noticed. How do I look at the universe bugs nowadays? :-) | 03:06 |
| Kyral | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/systeminstaller/+bug/28626 | 03:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 28626: "install k7 kernel on an athlon" Fix req. for: systeminstaller (Ubuntu), Severity: Wishlist, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Confirmed | 03:07 |
| Kyral | anyone have a problem with my handling? | 03:07 |
| bddebian | Yeah it sucks | 03:07 |
| minghua | bddebian: good question, let's see... | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: I actually don't know. You can get the list of MOTU assigned ones but that's it | 03:07 |
| bddebian | Kyral: :-) | 03:07 |
| Kyral | bddebian: ain't it you who told me I would get my MOTU License by the end of Dapper? | 03:08 |
| minghua | https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs looks like a good start | 03:08 |
| bddebian | #3123. Didn't we kill python2.3 in Breezy? | 03:08 |
| bddebian | Kyral: Probably :-) | 03:08 |
| minghua | yeah, this is what LaserJock was referring | 03:08 |
| Kyral | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/28629 <--_Okay can I reject this one? | 03:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 28629: "too many updates" Fix req. for: update-manager (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | I think we really need to get the xml-rpc going in LP so that we can query Malone fore universe bugs | 03:10 |
| bddebian | Kyral: re 28629. Probably | 03:10 |
| bddebian | Gawd I feel more stupid than ever | 03:10 |
| Kyral | Yea! BOFH! | 03:11 |
| Kyral | I mean | 03:11 |
| Kyral | who the HECK files a bug because he has too many updates? | 03:11 |
| Kyral | He wants too many updates he should use Dapper! | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | there aren't that many for breezy. I think most people would apprecitate having security fixes | 03:13 |
| Kyral | eh I'll give it another week | 03:13 |
| Kyral | yah so REJECT? | 03:13 |
| bddebian | doko: Around? | 03:14 |
| Kyral | oh wait | 03:15 |
| Kyral | mike vogt is subscribed... | 03:15 |
| Kyral | this might be important lol | 03:15 |
| Kyral | confirm and wishlist? | 03:15 |
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| Kyral | Man I'm wishlisting a lot | 03:17 |
| bddebian | Have the merge pages moved? | 03:19 |
| bddebian | Why is #15910 still open? | 03:19 |
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| LaserJock | MOTUScience: if you look towards the bottom of http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/all_list.html at the "Outdated in Ubuntu" section we will be able to see what packages we can merge/sync | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | It look like we can do most of them | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | looks | 03:26 |
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| bddebian | LaserJock: Are these not on the merge list? | 03:29 |
| LaserJock | no | 03:29 |
| LaserJock | because of UVF there are no more automatic merges/syncs | 03:29 |
| bddebian | That wasn't my question :-) | 03:30 |
| LaserJock | so can you elaborate? | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: what merge list are you talking about? | 03:32 |
| bddebian | The normal MoM stuff | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | well, the ones I'm talking about aren't because MoM isn't running anymore. | 03:34 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I realize that. What I'm asking is if they were on the list originally :-) | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | maybe, basically I assume they are updates that Debian did after MoM stopped running | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | that is why they are mostly just small changes that we should be able to merge/sync. | 03:36 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: You do know that MoM doesn't merge packages automatically right? There is user/MOTU intervention required. | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | yes | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | but the revu.tauware.de list uses the MoM output to make the merge list | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | so the list hasn't been updated since the 12th | 03:38 |
| bddebian | Ahhh, gotcha, sorry | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | np | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | so now that UVF is here we can still get an idea of what packages we can merge/sync | 03:39 |
| bddebian | Aye | 03:40 |
| bddebian | ANyone in here know where the xml files mime types go? I can't remember shit :-( | 03:40 |
| === minghua needs to go to bed early today | ||
| minghua | good night | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Gnight minghua | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | cya minghua | 03:43 |
| === minghua waves | ||
| bddebian | Did I scare everyone away again?? | 03:54 |
| Kyral | what is the command to see what libs are being called when a program runs? | 03:55 |
| bddebian | gdb? ;-P | 03:56 |
| Kyral | I thought it was like objdump or something | 03:56 |
| bddebian | You can do objdump -t to see what a particular lib provides, eys | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Err yes even | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: you didn't scare me away but I'm afraid I'm too dumb to help you | 03:59 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: D00d, does it look like I'm asking intelligent questions?? :-) I feel like I have forgotten EVERYTHING :'-( | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: let me put it this way, even if you have forgotten 90% of what you knew I bet you would still know more than me | 04:06 |
| bddebian | I HIGHLY doubt that | 04:09 |
| bddebian | ask ajmitch :) | 04:09 |
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| bddebian | We can't close bugs anymore? | 04:13 |
| LaserJock | no? | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | "fix released" | 04:14 |
| bddebian | I set it to FixCommitted but does that close it? | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | yes | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | at least I'm pretty sure it does | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | oh, wait. no "Fix Released" closes it | 04:16 |
| bddebian | Hmm, OK | 04:19 |
| bddebian | Hmm, my karma dropped to 230.. WTF? :'-( | 04:19 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, they take Karma away for MIA :( | 04:21 |
| bddebian | *sniff, sniff* | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | Mine droped after I hadn't done any merges for a while | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | on the other hand, check out \sh and ajmitch's karma :-/ | 04:21 |
| bddebian | I don't even want to look :-) | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | \sh is >3300 | 04:23 |
| bddebian | I heard :-) | 04:23 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I don't even have the ubuntumembers emblem? WTF? :'-( | 04:23 |
| LaserJock | poor bddebian, I feel sorry for ya man | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: mine is low | 04:23 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: still a lot better than mine | 04:24 |
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| ajmitch | mine will never be high | 04:24 |
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| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 04:24 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I'm feeling unloved again :-) | 04:24 |
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| bddebian | :-) | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | I've been hanging around dholbach too much ;-) | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: don't worry, you only feel unloved | 04:25 |
| === ajmitch is unloved :) | ||
| === LaserJock gives ajmitch a big hug | ||
| bddebian | ajmitch: Did you ever get a laptop? | 04:26 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: You have NEVER loved me.. ;-P | 04:26 |
| === Kyral kisses bddebian | ||
| ajmitch | bddebian: I've got a laptop here | 04:27 |
| === Kyral hugs ajmitch | ||
| ajmitch | Kyral: calm down | 04:27 |
| zakame | hello all :D | 04:27 |
| Kyral | I think the steam went to my head | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | or at least something did | 04:28 |
| Kyral | I feel all lovey | 04:28 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | feel lovey elsewhere :P | 04:28 |
| Kyral | better then feeling all BOFHish :P | 04:28 |
| zakame | hehe | 04:28 |
| bddebian | Hello zakame | 04:29 |
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| zakame | heya bddebian :) | 04:29 |
| Kyral | Would you rather get a hug or get told to "STFU RTFM" | 04:29 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Ahh | 04:29 |
| bddebian | So what are we doing with breezy bugs I can't reproduce in dapper? | 04:29 |
| bddebian | WTF launchpad is offline??? | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | RTFS :) | 04:30 |
| bddebian | I'm on a roll here damnit | 04:30 |
| bddebian | RTFS on what? | 04:30 |
| Kyral | RTFS = Read the Fuckin' Source? | 04:30 |
| bddebian | RTSL | 04:30 |
| Kyral | RTSL? | 04:31 |
| bddebian | Or is it UTSL? | 04:31 |
| bddebian | Use The Source Luke | 04:31 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:31 |
| Kyral | I was about to say that | 04:31 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | lol, "I see this one is strong with the Source" | 04:32 |
| Kyral | And MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! | 04:32 |
| bddebian | Hmm, how long is LaunchPad gonna be down? :-( | 04:32 |
| zakame | w00t | 04:32 |
| bddebian | I gotta catch ajmitch's karma or I'll never hear the end of it.. ;-P | 04:32 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:32 |
| Kyral | bddebian: did you knock out LP? | 04:33 |
| Kyral | BAD! | 04:33 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:33 |
| bddebian | And why the hell is -devel so quiet? | 04:33 |
| Burgundavia | bddebian, it is 3/4am in Europe | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | hmm, maybe they're on vacation and nobody told us | 04:34 |
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| bddebian | Burgundavia: Europe schmurope :-) | 04:37 |
| spstarr_home | hrm shouldn't we rename murasaki? Tt seems to be rather raw right now, since hotplug appears broke right now. (perhaps rename it BACK to hotplug since it makes more sense?) | 04:37 |
| bddebian | Why is #2246 still open? | 04:37 |
| spstarr_home | s/Tt/It | 04:37 |
| Burgundavia | spstarr_home, why is it even in the repos? Ubuntu has never shipped a 2.4 kernel | 04:38 |
| spstarr_home | its present if I try to use hotplug in dapper, im wondering the same | 04:39 |
| Kyral | Why would you use hotplug? | 04:39 |
| Burgundavia | spstarr_home, hotplug has been replaced with udev in dapper | 04:39 |
| spstarr_home | apparently, hotplug is is broken in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EarlyUserspace | 04:39 |
| Kyral | Its been integrated into udev | 04:39 |
| spstarr_home | yeah but udev doesn't seem to be doing what its supposed to be w/ netlink | 04:39 |
| Burgundavia | spstarr_home, you filed a bug? | 04:39 |
| spstarr_home | not yet, im still looking into it | 04:40 |
| spstarr_home | udevinfo is 0.79 | 04:40 |
| spstarr_home | but I do see murasaki | 04:41 |
| spstarr_home | p murasaki - another HotPlug Agent | 04:41 |
| spstarr_home | let me check my pkg list to confirm | 04:41 |
| bddebian | #3387 looks like an easy fix. Is it worth it? | 04:42 |
| spstarr_home | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/murasaki/ | 04:43 |
| StevenK | crimsun: Yes, quodlibet 0.17-1 failed to build, so I fixed the build problem. | 04:43 |
| spstarr_home | yes, we do have it in ubuntu | 04:43 |
| spstarr_home | but it supports 2.5/2.6 apparently | 04:43 |
| StevenK | crimsun: My feeling was that a merge from Debian just fix a trivial build problem wasn't worth it. | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | hi StevenK | 04:47 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: You aren't keeping up here d00d :-) | 04:49 |
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| spstarr_home | oh udevd moved the firmware location | 04:52 |
| spstarr_home | ho-hum :) | 04:53 |
| spstarr_home | oh, now it works | 04:54 |
| spstarr_home | no bug to file, /lib/firmware != /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware anymore | 04:55 |
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| crimsun | StevenK: fair enough, though I was thinking about the updated translations | 05:46 |
| StevenK | crimsun: I was being cautios. | 05:47 |
| crimsun | StevenK: I figured you were :-) | 05:48 |
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| bddebian | Heya crimsun | 05:52 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Hey, do I need to make a dpatch for a two line code change just to fix missing {} in an else? | 05:53 |
| crimsun | bddebian: generally, no, unless the Debian package uses dpatch | 05:55 |
| crimsun | bddebian: (hi :-) | 05:55 |
| crimsun | my opinion is that the fix is so trivial that it doesn't warrant the bloat that a dpatch would have | 05:56 |
| bddebian | Well it does have dpatch already but for this fix it seems like bloat as you say | 05:59 |
| crimsun | I'd skip dpatchifying it and send the diff as an attachment to a wishlist bug | 06:00 |
| bddebian | It's a malone bug already and the submitter sent it upstream already :-) | 06:04 |
| bddebian | Anyway, bedtime. Thanks, crimsun | 06:04 |
| crimsun | bddebian: np, 'night | 06:05 |
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| ejofee | it is said dapper will merge the two cds (live and installation) into one. but then does it have everything installed from the beginning, or there will still be a certain amount of debs which can be installed later? (either case, when used as a live cd, it will show much less apps available. right?) | 06:30 |
| ejofee | ((well, esp. the latter case)) | 06:31 |
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| LaserJock | ejofee: I don't think so, I think it will just have a script to install to a hard drive, but I don't know for sure | 06:35 |
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| ejofee | LaserJock: how sure is it we'll have the new installer available for dapper? | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | ejofee: actually, I didn't quite read your questions right. I'm not sure if all the packages that would be installed will be availible in the livecd | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | ejofee: I'm not sure, we haven't seen about it but the answer seem that it will be here "soon" | 06:59 |
| ejofee | LaserJock: thanks | 07:03 |
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| Burgundavia | ejofee, I have heard the first version will be available after the dev sprint | 07:34 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: meaning... about when? | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | ejofee, next few weeks | 07:51 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: the text-based installer scared many friends of mine away from ubuntu; they had been spoiled by distros such as suse and mandriva, and ubuntu looked very unpolished to them; i guess this is more general than my friends only. i am sorry ubuntu didn't have a graphical installer from the beginning :( | 07:52 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: some people are simply prejudiced against the console. | 07:52 |
| Burgundavia | ejofee, the new installer will leapfrog most existing installers, as it will install directly from within gnome from a livecd | 07:57 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: ... or kde. right. which is *cool*. i found this feature also in pclinuxos. | 07:57 |
| Burgundavia | ejofee, the backend is all desktop agnostic. All the kde people is write a new front end | 07:58 |
| ejofee | right | 07:58 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: as i said yesterday, maybe we should also use mc & nano as a failback for the live cd | 07:58 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: this way we could get as user-friendly as possible | 07:59 |
| Burgundavia | ejofee, what does that offer? | 07:59 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: you don't know mc? | 07:59 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: (well, i mean "noob-friendly" rather than "user-friendly", but you're getting the point) | 07:59 |
| Burgundavia | nope, I am a gnome person through and through | 08:00 |
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| ejofee | Burgundavia: mc is a console file browser (it very much resemble norton commander), including newbye-friendly file editing capabilities (so we don't even need nano) | 08:01 |
| ejofee | s/resemble/resembles/ | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | ah, you're still on the mc crusade? | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | time for me to leave the conference & wander off home for the evening :) | 08:02 |
| ajmitch | bbl | 08:02 |
| Burgundavia | ejofee, I would argue what rescue mode needs is a couple of basic tools to restore grub, etc. and then if those fail, then put them in a console | 08:02 |
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| Burgundavia | dumping someone in mc is no better than a console if they don't knwo what they need to do | 08:03 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: agreed. however, mc could be useful for people which know what files they should edit and usually do it from kwrite. | 08:05 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: for instance, editing fstab or lilo.conf | 08:06 |
| Burgundavia | ejofee, we already ship nano | 08:06 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: btw, do you know any newbye-friendly console file browser (other than mc, more minimal)? | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | ejofee, no, but we should not even be subjecting them to a file browser, etc. in rescue mode | 08:08 |
| Burgundavia | think bigger picture, what do people actually use that mode of the livecd for? | 08:09 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: i guess you're right | 08:09 |
| Burgundavia | there are a few basic things that we need to write tools for | 08:09 |
| Burgundavia | grub recovery, X issues, etc. | 08:09 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: well, actually i was thinking of the live cd used as a rescue cd | 08:09 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: yes, that would be the better thing to do | 08:10 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: till then, nano may be enough | 08:10 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: (although i still think mc (which includes its "nano") could be more newbye-friendly) | 08:10 |
| Burgundavia | maybe, but I don't see the benefits of shipping it, versus the space costs, etc. | 08:11 |
| ejofee | Burgundavia: btw, doesn't mc have any lite version? | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 08:12 |
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| Ibalon | hi all | 08:31 |
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| lucas | ejofee: have you raised the issue on ubuntu-devel@ ? | 08:43 |
| lucas | because, if you haven't, please stop discussing this here | 08:44 |
| lucas | as it was already said, we are not the ones making the decision here. | 08:44 |
| ejofee | lucas: ok. i will talk about this on #ubuntu-devel | 08:48 |
| ejofee | lucas: thanks | 08:48 |
| lucas | no | 08:48 |
| lucas | ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com | 08:48 |
| lucas | trolling on #ubuntu-devel will get you nowhere | 08:48 |
| lucas | or make it a TechnicalBoard meeting point if you prefer to discuss it on IRC | 08:49 |
| Ibalon | hmmm, what's up here? | 08:49 |
| Ibalon | who's trolling? | 08:49 |
| lucas | Ibalon: ejofee would like mc to be included in main and shipped on the CDs | 08:49 |
| Ibalon | lucas: huh? isn't this yesterday's issue? | 08:50 |
| lucas | Ibalon: that's the problem :P | 08:50 |
| Ibalon | gaah | 08:51 |
| Ibalon | ejofee: if you want, you can start a MidnightCommanderMainInclusion on the wiki first, stating the rationale of your request, then open it up for discussion | 08:52 |
| lucas | true, that would be even better | 08:52 |
| Ibalon | ejofee: bringing this out randomly on #ubuntu-devel might get you nowhere | 08:52 |
| lucas | with debian popcon's stats | 08:52 |
| Ibalon | yup | 08:53 |
| ejofee | Ibalon: that's a good idea. how do i start that wiki page? | 08:54 |
| Ibalon | ejofee: just make sure you have an account on the ubuntu wiki, then just point your browser to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MidnightCommanderMainInclusion , and edit that page | 08:55 |
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| ejofee | Ibalon: is this likely to get me some feedback? | 08:56 |
| lucas | no, but it's the first step. when you page is good enough, you can add it as an item for the next TB meeting | 08:56 |
| lucas | (that's next tuesday) | 08:56 |
| Ibalon | ejofee: of course, people do read RecentChanges ;) you should also post a heads-up on the ubuntu-devel mailing list | 08:56 |
| ejofee | lucas: i see. that's nice. thank you. | 08:56 |
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| StevenK | But it's Midnight Commander! No one uses it anymore. | 09:17 |
| Treenaks | StevenK: tell my brother :) | 09:17 |
| StevenK | I swore off mc when I saw its interface. | 09:18 |
| Ibalon | StevenK: lol | 09:18 |
| StevenK | There. 131 Ubuntu users have mc installed. | 09:19 |
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| StevenK | (Out of approx. 400 people that have submitted popcon results, based off coreutils) | 09:20 |
| Ibalon | I used nc before (circa 1993) back on msdos, not too bad | 09:20 |
| Ibalon | but I can't say the same for mc, never used it :( | 09:20 |
| StevenK | It also reminds me of XTree Gold. | 09:22 |
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| StevenK | And let's face it, better alternatives exist. | 09:22 |
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| ejofee | applications marked by an ubuntu logo in synaptic mean main? | 10:01 |
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| Ibalon | er? | 10:02 |
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| ejofee | Ibalon: what is that you don't understand? | 10:05 |
| Ibalon | ejofee: err no, I was reacting to my becoming op here suddenly :( | 10:06 |
| ejofee | Ibalon :)) | 10:07 |
| Ibalon | ejofee: apps with the ubuntu logo are in main, yes iirc | 10:07 |
| ejofee | Ibalon: thanks | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | about Automake transition causing FTBFS, can we take the oportunity to update a bit the packages (changing debhelper version etc...) or do we have to make the strict minimum ? | 10:11 |
| ejofee | is there any minimal wm in main? like icewm, twm? | 10:17 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 10:20 |
| Ibalon | heya dholbach | 10:22 |
| dholbach | hey Ibalon | 10:22 |
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| Ibalon | heya raphink :) | 10:30 |
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| Ibalon | hm, any reason why thunar isn't merged/synced yet? | 10:41 |
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| Ibalon | wb \sh | 10:44 |
| \sh | moins | 10:45 |
| zakame | <Ibalon> hm, any reason why thunar isn't merged/synced yet? | 10:46 |
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| \sh | hmmm | 10:54 |
| \sh | I need a little advise regarding https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-scientific/+bug/5950 | 10:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 5950: "python-netcdf does not depend on python-scientific, but does need it" Fix req. for: python-scientific (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Science, Status: Unconfirmed | 10:54 |
| \sh | python-scientific depends on python-netcdf, but python-netcdf needs python-scientific | 10:55 |
| viviersf | lol | 10:55 |
| \sh | if you install python-netcdf it doesn't work properly | 10:55 |
| \sh | my fix would be to change the dependencies, because I think python-scientific does not need python-netcdf but the other way around is much better | 10:56 |
| zakame | true true | 10:58 |
| ajmitch | evening :) | 11:04 |
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| raphink | hi ajmitch \sh viviersf | 11:04 |
| \sh | ajmitch: and? successfull represented the MOTUs? | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | hi raphink | 11:04 |
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| ajmitch | \sh: of course, along with Lathiat | 11:05 |
| \sh | PV=`ls -la \`which python\`|cut -d ">" -f 2|cut -d "n" -f 2` | 11:05 |
| raphink | hi StevenK | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | \sh: google paid :) | 11:05 |
| raphink | oh nice | 11:05 |
| \sh | this is the ugliest hack I ever wrote...but better then build-dep on perl/sed/awk | 11:05 |
| raphink | :) | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | \sh: that is nasty | 11:05 |
| \sh | ajmitch: it just works in rules files nicely :) | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | especially if it points to /etc/alternatives/python | 11:06 |
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| \sh | ajmitch: try it :) | 11:06 |
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| ajmitch | \sh: I'm not sure if it'll always hold true | 11:06 |
| \sh | ajmitch: well to detect the default python version sure | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure I've seen a box using alternatives for python | 11:06 |
| \sh | ajmitch: but it's not the default | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | for now | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | depends what doko does for his new python stuff | 11:07 |
| \sh | ajmitch: well..then I have enough time to think about a new ugly hack which just works and is not introducing new uneeded build-deps | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | heh | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | python -V doesn't work? | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | btw sed is Essential | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | so you can use it | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | as is grep, fwiw | 11:10 |
| \sh | ajmitch: *whisper* I only want to know when the packagemaintainer is going to hunt me down | 11:11 |
| siretart | hi | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | hey siretart | 11:11 |
| siretart | what are you doing there? modifying debian/control on buildds? | 11:11 |
| raphink | hi siretart | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | \sh: depending on the existence of a symlink is far more crackful than using python -V :) | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | siretart: what's up? | 11:11 |
| viviersf | lo raphink | 11:11 |
| siretart | wasn't this considered as release critical bug in debian? | 11:12 |
| siretart | ajmitch: thanks, fine. I'm cleaning up over here :) | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | siretart: fun, I've just been down at a pub with lots of linux geeks & free beer | 11:12 |
| siretart | ajmitch: wow. thats sounds promising :) | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | siretart: yep :) | 11:19 |
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| \sh | hmm...I can compile vlc with our toolchain compilers...but trying to watch matroska encoded movies just gives me this nasty glibc message | 12:13 |
| sivang | \sh: what are matroska encided movies? | 12:16 |
| \sh | sivang: http://www.matroska.org/ | 12:17 |
| sivang | \sh: xml based binary format , sounds almost funny :) | 12:18 |
| \sh | sivang: no..the contents is real bytestream, but the description of the chapters etc. are in xml and somehow webbed into those files. | 12:18 |
| sivang | \sh: ah, right I'm just reading about it. So I wonder why it needs be EBML and not XML , if it un-related to the actual bytestream. | 12:20 |
| \sh | sivang: ask upstream :) I only want to be able to watch those files :) | 12:20 |
| raphink | :) | 12:22 |
| sivang | \sh: heh :) | 12:23 |
| \sh | and with xine it works :) | 12:23 |
| siretart | \sh: there was a xine cvs commit regarding matroska earlier today | 12:27 |
| \sh | siretart: I used the actual version of xine indapper and was able to watch it...strangly it has no build-dep on libmatroska-dev | 12:27 |
| sivang | hey siretart , 'sup? | 12:27 |
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| siretart | sivang: thanks, fine. I'm currently trying to fix courier. and you | 12:32 |
| sivang | siretart: trying to finish some utility class for HUB | 12:35 |
| sivang | siretart: how do you find out the bin pkgs that a source pkg produces? | 12:38 |
| siretart | sivang: apt-cache showsrc <pkg> | 12:39 |
| sivang | siretart: ah, I thought there was more "straight" way, like rdepends or something | 12:41 |
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| ejofee | how do i log in? | 01:14 |
| ejofee | wrong password, again and again. | 01:14 |
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| raphink | ejofee: what are you talking about, | 01:16 |
| lucas | use your email address and you LP password | 01:17 |
| lucas | it works | 01:17 |
| lucas | raphink: wiki... | 01:17 |
| raphink | ah | 01:17 |
| ejofee | raphink: actually i don't know what i am talking about. all i want is to edit a wiki page (at wiki.ubuntu.com). instead, i am being terrorized by some stupid advice on me using some sort of starship. (btw, does launchpad mean anything to you?) | 01:20 |
| ejofee | raphink: it seemply won't login so that i could edit somethin. i do have an account. | 01:20 |
| ejofee | raphink: i mean, am i angry i have to be a cosmonaut in order to login! | 01:22 |
| raphink | you just have to use your LP account to log on the wiki | 01:22 |
| raphink | hmmpf | 01:22 |
| ejofee | raphink: but it won't accept my password (or my account?)! | 01:22 |
| raphink | ejofee: LP and the wiki are not toys ;) | 01:22 |
| raphink | they are tools for the ubuntu development | 01:22 |
| raphink | we don't really play cosmonauts ;) | 01:23 |
| raphink | LP is the centralized tool for Ubuntu development, this is why the LP account is used on many other tools | 01:23 |
| ejofee | raphink: well, i kinda figured it out they were not toys... but do you think i simply don't know my launchpad account? i *can* login to launchpad. i can't use the same account on the wiki, though. | 01:24 |
| raphink | ejofee: if you have a pb with LP, go ask on #launchpad | 01:24 |
| ejofee | raphink: i see. thanks. | 01:24 |
| ejofee | raphink: wow!! it works!! | 01:25 |
| ejofee | raphink: didn't know i had to actually use my *email account* (!!) ! | 01:26 |
| ejofee | raphink: isn't this stupid, btw? | 01:26 |
| ejofee | raphink: ... then why do they allow me to create an identity, if i don't use it anyway? | 01:26 |
| raphink | sorry? | 01:26 |
| ejofee | raphink: i have a nickname on the launchpad | 01:27 |
| ejofee | raphink: i thought that was what i should use as a user name | 01:27 |
| ejofee | raphink: brb | 01:27 |
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| raphink | dholbach: hi | 01:40 |
| dholbach | re :) | 01:40 |
| raphink | dholbach: could you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1612 please ? | 01:40 |
| dholbach | not now | 01:41 |
| dholbach | sorry | 01:41 |
| dholbach | I'm fairly busy. :/ | 01:41 |
| raphink | ok | 01:41 |
| raphink | nb ;) | 01:41 |
| raphink | np | 01:41 |
| raphink | \sh: do you have some time to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1612 ? | 01:41 |
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| Gloubiboulga | hello | 01:45 |
| jown | hi! does anyone can tell me how to fix these errors. "locale not supported by xlib" and "Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers | 01:46 |
| jown | " in programming after i execute my program. | 01:46 |
| raphink | hi Gloubiboulga && jown | 01:49 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello raphink | 01:49 |
| raphink | tu vas SL ? | 01:49 |
| Gloubiboulga | raphink, non, pas prvu | 01:51 |
| Gloubiboulga | tu y seras ? | 01:51 |
| raphink | je pense | 01:52 |
| raphink | j'ai une entr | 01:52 |
| raphink | e | 01:52 |
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| Mithrandir | tseng: is it you or somebody I should annoy until beagle is fixed? | 02:22 |
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| tseng | Mithrandir: it needs a UVF | 02:30 |
| tseng | Mithrandir: which i havent written yet, but we only send them to mdz once a week now... | 02:31 |
| tseng | two UVF, actually.. gmime .19 also | 02:31 |
| tseng | beagle is finicky about gmime2.1 version, and someone synced one which broke beagle | 02:32 |
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| zakame | evening MOTUs | 02:49 |
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| Fritti | hello | 02:55 |
| zakame | hello Fritti | 02:56 |
| Fritti | who can I bug to help me with a few lintian warnings? | 02:56 |
| Fritti | I'm totally new to packaging in Ubuntu | 02:56 |
| Fritti | but I managed to get something run through pbuilder :-) | 02:56 |
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| Fritti | and it seems to work when installed | 02:56 |
| Fritti | basically I packaged this: http://gizmod.sourceforge.net/ and I got this: http://sandcat.nl/~stijn/dev/gizmod/ | 02:57 |
| zakame | Fritti: what are the warnings? | 02:57 |
| Fritti | however lintian complains about a shared library symlink, and about an old policy version | 02:57 |
| Fritti | wait a sec until I can paste it, forgot to enable sshd on the ubuntu system an I'm not on it right now :-/ | 02:58 |
| Fritti | W: gizmod source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1.0 | 02:59 |
| Fritti | W: gizmod: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libGizmo.so.0.0.3 usr/lib/libGizmo.so | 02:59 |
| Fritti | those 2 | 02:59 |
| zakame | hmm, looks gizmod is more than just a binary package, its a library package as well | 03:00 |
| zakame | have you read dancer's library packaging guide? | 03:00 |
| Fritti | it's basically an internal library | 03:01 |
| Fritti | but I haven't read that guide, got an URL ? | 03:01 |
| Fritti | (and of course now RL catches in, so I must be off now; be back in an hour or so) | 03:01 |
| zakame | http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html | 03:01 |
| zakame | just inspecting by sight, but it seems it produces both a binary (daemon) and a library package | 03:02 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:34 |
| zakame | evening bddebian | 03:35 |
| bddebian | Howdy zakame | 03:35 |
| Tonio_ | hi all | 03:36 |
| bddebian | Heya Tonio_ | 03:36 |
| Tonio_ | I'm searching for a tool or command that allow to mornitor in real time the modified files | 03:36 |
| Tonio_ | there is a tool called filemon on windows, but I don't find any equivalent on linux... | 03:36 |
| bddebian | Oh man, I remember seeing one but I cannot for the life of me remember the name of it.. :-( | 03:37 |
| zakame | hm something like fam? | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: let me check ;) | 03:37 |
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| bddebian | Who's the bugmaster these days? :-) | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: that's it ! I didn't knew that tool.... thanks ;) | 03:38 |
| zakame | Tonio_: no prob :) | 03:39 |
| zakame | bddebian: huh? I thought that was you ;-) | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: urghhhhhhhhhh, sudo apt-get install fam ........ | 03:39 |
| bddebian | zakame: Not hardly :-( | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | apt wants to delete 441MB of archives, including the full kde etc........; | 03:39 |
| bddebian | w00t | 03:40 |
| zakame | Tonio_: I think for Ubuntu you'll want gamin | 03:40 |
| zakame | I remembered fam because that's what I had since gnome 1.4 | 03:40 |
| zakame | (back in debian woody) | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: http://pastebin.com/522316 | 03:41 |
| azeem | Tonio_: gamin | 03:41 |
| azeem | is that installed? | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | azeem: I'm checkin' | 03:41 |
| zakame | Tonio_: I wonder when we'll have that level of l10n for tl_PH :) | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: hehe | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: anyway, there is a hudge dependancy problem on that package........... | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: installing it means breaking the system for sure | 03:44 |
| zakame | Tonio_: for fam? well yes, for it's actually quite old, and may be ripe for removal in debian | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: ok | 03:44 |
| zakame | gamin is going to replace fam iirc | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: I can see there is a gam_server, but how about a client | 03:45 |
| azeem | ubuntu-desktop depends on gamin | 03:45 |
| azeem | since hoary, actually | 03:45 |
| zakame | ooh, there you go | 03:46 |
| azeem | Tonio_: libgnomevfs2 is the client AFAIK | 03:46 |
| azeem | Tonio_: you can write your own I guess | 03:46 |
| zakame | hmm, in MOTU, should we also prepare for the upcoming libfreetyp6 removal/transition? | 03:47 |
| azeem | what is the transition going to look like? | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: okay, I will have to use a gnome app then......... ;) | 03:48 |
| zakame | well I was looking at http://wiki.debian.org/FreetypeTransition | 03:49 |
| azeem | oh, ok | 03:49 |
| azeem | thought Ubuntu decided on something | 03:49 |
| zakame | not yet, unless I missed a decision or something :) | 03:49 |
| ejofee | i found it!!! | 03:54 |
| ejofee | lfm! | 03:55 |
| ejofee | lfm & nano are the best options for user-friendly text-based rescue mode. | 03:55 |
| ejofee | please try it and opine | 03:55 |
| siretart | Tonio_: congrats for membership, dude! | 03:56 |
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| bddebian | Tonio_ got in too? Awesome, congrats! | 03:57 |
| Tonio_ | siretart, bddebian : thanks :) | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | azeem: according to what I understand, both fam or gamin are daemons, but there is no client using them the way I need... | 04:00 |
| raphink | for those interested, I'm currently working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide , a reviewing guide for MOTUs and others :) | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | azeem: anyway I'll find another solution ;) | 04:00 |
| raphink | just begun today but I think it can already be reviewed | 04:00 |
| azeem | Tonio_: could be, yes | 04:00 |
| raphink | while I'm taking a small break from it | 04:00 |
| azeem | Tonio_: gamin has python bindings, so writing a client should be easy | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | azeem: possibly yes ;) | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | azeem: let me learn python and then give you a feedback ;) | 04:01 |
| \sh | phew | 04:01 |
| \sh | just fixed a really serious problems... | 04:01 |
| \sh | -s | 04:01 |
| zakame | ooh, w00t Tonio_ !!! :) | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: introducing to python is on my todo list for 2006, but well.... I'm not a natural developper at all, so that's not my priority ;) | 04:02 |
| zakame | Tonio_: well, not just that, but for your membership too :) | 04:03 |
| zakame | Tonio_: I myself am taking the scenic C route, learning autotools along the way ;) | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | zakame: thanks you, so ! | 04:04 |
| siretart | raphink: nice wiki page | 04:04 |
| raphink | siretart: thanks, it's far from being done :) | 04:04 |
| siretart | raphink: have you seen the suggestions from from sistpoty regarding when to (not) repack the orig.tar.gz? | 04:04 |
| raphink | hm no | 04:05 |
| raphink | what are they? | 04:05 |
| zakame | yes, I'm interested on that myself (after repackaging libmemcache) | 04:05 |
| Fritti | zakame: thanks for the URL. I'm reading it now, but I'm thinking: if I replace the .so in the package with static linking, I wouldn't have to make a libGizmo0 .deb, right? because I think it's only useful as an internal library. | 04:07 |
| Fritti | I mean, no other packages could usefully link to libgizmo, it's just for gizmod and gizmoc both of which are included in that package | 04:08 |
| Fritti | hmm now that I think about it, I could porbably split that out... and then I'd need a libgizmo package | 04:08 |
| zakame | Fritti: pretty much so... experiment anyway, its your package ;) | 04:08 |
| Fritti | heh :-) | 04:08 |
| Fritti | will do | 04:08 |
| Fritti | got a pointer on the other warning though? | 04:08 |
| Fritti | W: gizmod source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1.0 | 04:09 |
| raphink | 3.6.2 is the current version Fritti | 04:09 |
| Fritti | a random sample (read: 2) of other ubuntu source packages seemed to specify that version | 04:09 |
| Fritti | ah k | 04:09 |
| zakame | Fritti: sed -e 's/3.6.1.0/3.6.2/' debian/control | 04:09 |
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| zakame | (if I recall my sed correctly ;) | 04:09 |
| Fritti | yeah, thanks. I just didn't know where to look for the current correct version | 04:09 |
| Fritti | last question (for now): if i don't want to become a full MOTU but I'd like the package to be available in Ubuntu universe, how/where do I submit it? | 04:11 |
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| zakame | Fritti: put it up on REVU and look for a couple of MOTUs to review it :) | 04:11 |
| zakame | revu.tauware.de | 04:11 |
| Fritti | cool, thanks! | 04:12 |
| Fritti | I'll be lurking and rebuilding the package now. thanks for the help so far! | 04:12 |
| zakame | Fritti: rock on :) | 04:12 |
| raphink | Fritti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 04:13 |
| zakame | raphink: rocking reviewer guide :) | 04:13 |
| raphink | zakame: just a beginning ;) | 04:13 |
| raphink | but I think it can help both reviewers and packagers :) | 04:14 |
| siretart | raphink: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball | 04:15 |
| raphink | ok | 04:15 |
| raphink | I'll refer to it in the guide thanks much siretart | 04:15 |
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| raphink | siretart: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide#head-e696647555ac4361f156922ab3bb66ada206e164 | 04:18 |
| siretart | raphink: :) | 04:21 |
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| thierry_ | anyone in science team here? | 05:14 |
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| thierry_ | could a MOTU accept https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-scientific/+bug/5950 ? I just sent a patch | 05:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 5950: "python-netcdf does not depend on python-scientific, but does need it" Fix req. for: python-scientific (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Science, Status: Unconfirmed | 05:43 |
| thierry_ | slomo_ : ping | 05:45 |
| azeem | thierry_: I guess somebody will tend to it sooner or later | 05:49 |
| thierry_ | azeem : k | 05:50 |
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| LaserJock | raphink: ping? | 06:13 |
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| thierry_ | LaserJock : could you check https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-scientific/+bug/5950 ? | 06:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 5950: "python-netcdf does not depend on python-scientific, but does need it" Fix req. for: python-scientific (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Science, Status: Unconfirmed | 06:52 |
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| Hieronymus | * The xlibs, xlibs-data, xlibs-static-dev, xlibs-static-pic, xbase-clients, xutils, and x-window-system-dev packages have been removed. xlibs-dev remains. For now. | 06:54 |
| Hieronymus | So what about liballegro-dev which depends on xlibs-static-dev and xlibs-static-pic? | 06:54 |
| siretart | Hieronymus: I'd say thats broken and needs to be fixed | 06:55 |
| siretart | Hieronymus: I'd suggest filing a bug to debian | 06:56 |
| Hieronymus | siretart: Debian still has these packages | 06:58 |
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| siretart | Hieronymus: they are deprecated, and should not be used any longer | 06:58 |
| siretart | Hieronymus: read this as: they will go away soon in debian, too | 06:59 |
| jamessan | and many of the packages that depended on those were fixed over the weekend thanks to Amaya and a few others that did lots of NMUs | 06:59 |
| siretart | yes | 07:00 |
| Hieronymus | siretart: where does it say they're deprecated? | 07:00 |
| siretart | Hieronymus: the debian x maintainers. there was a post on debian-devel-announce | 07:01 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: ping? | 07:03 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: pong | 07:03 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: you package ubuntu-docs, right? | 07:04 |
| dholbach | Yes. | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: how often do you take a svn snapshot? | 07:04 |
| dholbach | I try to do every week. | 07:04 |
| dholbach | Should I do more often? | 07:04 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: well, no. I just commited a very alpha Packaging Guide and I wondered how long I had until you would package it :-) | 07:05 |
| dholbach | I can do an update later on, if you like | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | I don't want to ruin your work flow | 07:06 |
| dholbach | No, you don't | 07:06 |
| dholbach | I'll do later. | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | I just wondered if you were going to do it in the next day or two | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | I feel kinda bad right now because Unfrgiven's doc was what we had and it was more complete than what we have now | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | but I have another person working on it and being able to use the svn repo is nice | 07:08 |
| dholbach | I'm sure it'll rock in the end. | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | I think so, and raphink added a wonderful Reviewing Guide to the wiki last night | 07:09 |
| Hieronymus | siretart: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/01/msg00003.html this post? It's about not using xlibs-dev | 07:11 |
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| azeem | Hieronymus: the other stuff was earlier, I think | 07:11 |
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| Hieronymus | siretart, azeem: I can't find it | 07:40 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 07:43 |
| siretart | hi ajmitch | 07:43 |
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| dholbach | LaserJock: what dir are your changes in? | 08:00 |
| ajmitch | hm.. more uvf exceptions to check out | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: generic/packagingguide/C/ | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: who would be crazy enough to review selinux UVF exceptions? :) | 08:01 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: good question | 08:02 |
| ajmitch | just some possibles, depending on what is changed upstream | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: is that the info you wanted? | 08:05 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: yes | 08:07 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: I'm going to try to get my "packaging without debhelper or cdbs" guide out today and I have a skeleton for "packaging with debhelper" from another docteam guy. | 08:19 |
| ajmitch | I wonder if I still have enough time before feature freeze for most of this selinux stuff | 08:19 |
| dholbach | Oh nice | 08:19 |
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| Nafallo | ajmitch: put it in bzr and tell people to contribute? :-) | 08:31 |
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| ajmitch | Nafallo: maybe | 08:38 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: I want to get in touch with the debianguys first | 08:38 |
| Nafallo | yea, that's sane. | 08:38 |
| Nafallo | manoj have everything in tla still I guess ;-) | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | the only one I talk with a bit is rjc, who mainly does redhat :) | 08:39 |
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| ajmitch | it's not the packages that we care about now | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | that part is basically done (patching userland) | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | manoj maintains the other selinux utils, which is fine | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | but the reference policy needs to be built & tuned for ubuntu, using binary modules, etc | 08:40 |
| ajmitch | & then user management, other admin tools :) | 08:40 |
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| Nafallo | nice :-) | 08:40 |
| ajmitch | http://wiki.lca2006.linux.org.au/SE%20Linux%20Tutorial | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | I've got to head down there now for today's keynote talk :) | 08:41 |
| === ajmitch will bbl ;) | ||
| Nafallo | hmm, I need some good docs about that stuff :-) | 08:42 |
| ajmitch | yes | 08:42 |
| ajmitch | I need to try & get some done | 08:42 |
| Fritti | is there a doc on autotools, patching Makefile.am, and how to regenerate the resulting *.in etc? | 08:43 |
| Fritti | or basically, regenerate it yourself and put it all in .diff.gz? | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: woa, you added my new packaging guide to ubuntu-docs? | 08:52 |
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| Nafallo | lol | 08:53 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: the build system added it | 08:53 |
| Nafallo | yelp crashes on amd64, known? :-) | 08:53 |
| Nafallo | lol | 08:53 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: all right, well we will see how it goes. I wish I could have added more | 08:53 |
| Nafallo | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "Cannot write to log file: /var/log/scrollkeeper.log : Permission denied" | 08:53 |
| dholbach | Nafallo: look if ./configure --help gives you an option to turn off | 08:54 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: It'll now get in with each update. :-) | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: ok | 08:54 |
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| Nafallo | dholbach: not as I can see... | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: did you happen to look at the packaging guide? | 08:56 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: no, unfortunately not | 08:56 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: I'm still quite busy. :-/ | 08:57 |
| dholbach | Nafallo: no scrollkeeper stufF? | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: lol, good. I'll have a chance to clean it up before you look at it ;-) | 08:57 |
| Nafallo | nafallo@darkelf:~/devel/motu/yelp-2.13.3 $ ./configure --help | grep scroll | 08:57 |
| Nafallo | nafallo@darkelf:~/devel/motu/yelp-2.13.3 $ | 08:57 |
| dholbach | :-) | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I get that error as well when I try gnome-help | 08:57 |
| Nafallo | dholbach: ^ :-) | 08:57 |
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| LaserJock | but I don't get it in my dapper chroot | 08:58 |
| dholbach | Nafallo: ah sorry, now i understood -- thought it was a build problem | 08:58 |
| dholbach | Yeah, I know about the bug, it's filed already | 08:58 |
| Nafallo | oki :-) | 08:58 |
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| Nafallo | workaround would be to chmod 666 /var/log/scrollkeeper.log? | 08:59 |
| Nafallo | nope :-P | 09:00 |
| Nafallo | I/O warning : failed to load external entity "" | 09:00 |
| Nafallo | LaserJock: dude. that manual got thinner then ever :-) | 09:03 |
| === Nafallo read it via http :-P | ||
| LaserJock | right | 09:04 |
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| LaserJock | well, I'm working on it ;-) | 09:04 |
| Nafallo | yea, I know it's a WIP :-) | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | I'm hoping not to many people will get mad at me | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | I don't know if anybody was really using the old one too much | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | but it was a real pain having my work not be in the docteam repo | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | and it motivates me to get it done ;-) | 09:05 |
| Nafallo | agreed. I always liked the wiki better than the old one :-) | 09:05 |
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| LaserJock | I'm hoping to incorporate the wiki a lot, we need to have a permanent home for some of the awesome material we are getting | 09:06 |
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| Nafallo | agreed | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | I just find it is easier to have it in one doc rather than scattered all over the wiki | 09:08 |
| Fritti | so... any pointer on how to handle Makefile.am patches yet? Shall I put that in patches/01_useful_patch and the resulting auto* regeneration patch in patches/02_god_i_hate_autotools.patch? | 09:10 |
| Fritti | I guess I'm good at killing the conversation here.. sorry people :-) | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | Fritti: don't be sorry, I just don't know how to answer your question | 09:14 |
| Fritti | nah, just joking; new to this .deb packaging stuff (I'm used to FreeBSD ports), but I guess I shouldn't have picked stuff like this as my first package | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | Fritti: so wouldn't you patch the Makefile.am and then wouldn't building the package genrate the .in | 09:16 |
| Fritti | could do that, but then it would depend on a specific version of automake | 09:16 |
| Fritti | can't guarantee that it'd be the same on the build machine I guess | 09:16 |
| Fritti | I ran into this same problem with FreeBSD ports which is why I'm grumbling at auto* | 09:17 |
| Nafallo | does anyone like auto*? :-) | 09:18 |
| Fritti | developers I guess | 09:18 |
| Fritti | at any rate if every upstream used the newest version I guess there would be no problems | 09:18 |
| seth|lappy | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1416 (kde style needs review, if anyone's bored) :) | 09:18 |
| Nafallo | tired, not bored :-P | 09:19 |
| seth|lappy | hehe | 09:20 |
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| crimsun | 'lo bddebian | 09:27 |
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| marcin` | hello MOTUs | 09:35 |
| marcin` | got a question about launchpad and vtiger | 09:35 |
| marcin` | there is bounty: https://launchpad.net/bounties/vtiger-universe | 09:36 |
| marcin` | and I got this package almost ready | 09:36 |
| marcin` | could someone tell me what is the procedure to claim bounty and upload package to universe? | 09:36 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral: how's it going? | 09:55 |
| Kyral | brb, gotta throw the laundry into the dryer :P | 09:55 |
| Kyral | okay | 09:58 |
| Kyral | I jumped back to GNOME | 09:58 |
| Kyral | I wanna see Cairo + X11R7 + XCompmgr in action :P | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | are you trying right now? | 09:59 |
| Kyral | yah | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | is it good? | 09:59 |
| Kyral | I'm trying lol | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | oh, I though you were "trying it out" not "trying to get it going" ;-) | 10:00 |
| Kyral | and GNOME-Terminal crashed lol | 10:01 |
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| Kyral | okay this rocks lol | 10:15 |
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| sivang | Kyral: working now? | 10:17 |
| Kyral | XCompmgr seems a lot less busted lol | 10:17 |
| Kyral | and m,y system Resource usage went down...ironically | 10:18 |
| Kyral | Maybe its because the RAM on the video card is being used to draw the screen | 10:18 |
| sivang | Kyral: how do I set it up on dapper? | 10:19 |
| Kyral | First activate XCompmgr the usual way | 10:20 |
| Kyral | then just go to GNOME Look and snag a Cairo theme | 10:21 |
| Kyral | screen seems iffy with it.. | 10:21 |
| Kyral | bah it just crashed | 10:22 |
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| Kyral | screen flickerd and then I saw that the shadows weren't there | 10:22 |
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| Kyral | Transset works nicely too | 10:23 |
| Kyral | just hit the Panel with Transset :P | 10:24 |
| raphink | marcin`: I'm in contact with the guy who posted the bounty since a month | 10:25 |
| raphink | and i've been working on it oo | 10:26 |
| raphink | too | 10:26 |
| raphink | marcin`: just know that whatis required is not merely a package | 10:26 |
| raphink | you have to use debconf and such to get the package to set up automatically | 10:26 |
| raphink | marcin`: if you're planning on finishing this bounty soon, I can give you the work i've done so far | 10:26 |
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| raphink | marcin`: the pbs I've encountered are mosly due to mysql settings | 10:27 |
| raphink | marcin`: this guy would like this app to install and work without a single command to put in a console | 10:27 |
| raphink | just clicks in synaptic or so | 10:27 |
| raphink | and mysql needs to be set in a console | 10:28 |
| raphink | marcin`: if you find a way, I'm interested in knowing, even for other packages | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | hi raphink | 10:33 |
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| Kyral | hmm | 10:41 |
| Kyral | it seems stable if you disable the drop shadows.. | 10:41 |
| thierry | dholbach : ping | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: yeah, I always found it stable when I disablee all the reasons I wanted to have it ;-) | 10:45 |
| Kyral | well, fade in and out work | 10:45 |
| Kyral | and Transset stays stable | 10:45 |
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| Kyral | hmm | 10:51 |
| Kyral | I find it odd that this isn't in the repos...considering where it comes from... | 10:51 |
| Kyral | http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=683 | 10:51 |
| crimsun | the spammers are out in force | 10:54 |
| Kyral | who? | 10:54 |
| xhaker | Kyral: <itsmeeh> must go today 1 alienware area51-m 5700 laptop price 650 includes shipping, carry case. message me on mcsltd@telusmail.net on msn or on mikcomputing on aim | 10:55 |
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| xhaker | lol | 10:55 |
| Kyral | ah | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: yeah, I got the same spam on #vim | 10:55 |
| Fritti | can I just tell you random people in here that I absolutely hate that 'autom4te.cache' directory | 10:59 |
| dholbach | thierry: pong | 11:00 |
| raphink | marcin`: got my message? | 11:01 |
| raphink | dholbach: did you have a look at the reviewing guide I worked on today? | 11:01 |
| dholbach | raphink: no, I didn't | 11:02 |
| marcin` | raphink: just a moment | 11:02 |
| dholbach | sorry | 11:02 |
| raphink | dholbach: no pb ;) | 11:02 |
| raphink | dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide if you want to give me your comments on that part | 11:02 |
| dholbach | i'll now prepare a talk for tomorrow's linuxdays.lu - so don't ask for anything important just today | 11:02 |
| dholbach | you could ask for comments on the mailing list though | 11:03 |
| LaserJock | raphink: I thought it was really cool | 11:03 |
| marcin` | raphink: ok got it | 11:03 |
| thierry | dholbach : you told me you could find someone to review my package... | 11:03 |
| raphink | marcin`: so if you want what i've done so far I can give it to you | 11:03 |
| raphink | marcin`: as I said i'm already in contact with the guy | 11:03 |
| dholbach | thierry: i told you that I'd search a reviewer for you? | 11:03 |
| raphink | marcin`: and I consider this a rather difficult packaging, but I don't know your skills yet ;) | 11:04 |
| dholbach | thierry: please just ask in here. | 11:04 |
| raphink | LaserJock: you've read it so far? | 11:04 |
| marcin` | raphink: if you could then please mail me what you got currently | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | raphink: yeah, read it when I got up this morning. I had a bunch of wiki emails when I got up ;-) | 11:05 |
| marcin` | raphink: in fact I really wan't to have package with vtiger for tomorrow | 11:05 |
| raphink | marcin`: http://raphink.free.fr/packages/ | 11:05 |
| raphink | marcin`: this is what I had a month ago | 11:06 |
| marcin` | raphink: because I need this to deploy vtiger in company I work for | 11:06 |
| marcin` | raphink: well then I got this already | 11:06 |
| thierry | dholbach : ok no problem | 11:06 |
| raphink | marcin`: oh you worked on my package, | 11:06 |
| thierry | anyone who could review my package? libfxruby1.4 | 11:07 |
| marcin` | raphink: kind of... :) | 11:07 |
| Kyral | what port does MySQL listen on? | 11:07 |
| marcin` | raphink: but in fact I changed a lot | 11:07 |
| raphink | what did you change marcin` ? | 11:07 |
| raphink | marcin`: if you want, we can worked together on it ;) | 11:08 |
| raphink | s/worked/work | 11:08 |
| Fritti | Kyral: 3306 I think | 11:09 |
| marcin` | raphink: well ok but not today it's 23:08 here but I'm incredibely tired I worked on some custom module for vtiger all night yesterday | 11:09 |
| raphink | sure not today | 11:09 |
| marcin` | raphink: but sure - I'll start tomorrow morning | 11:09 |
| raphink | feel free to ping me when you want to work on it | 11:09 |
| raphink | we're on the same time zone so it shoudln't be too ahrd | 11:09 |
| raphink | hard | 11:09 |
| Fritti | does running 'debuild' imply a -P when running dh_strip ? | 11:10 |
| marcin` | raphink: another thing is that I got custom infrastructure for packaging | 11:10 |
| raphink | how do you mean marcin` ? | 11:10 |
| marcin` | raphink: just bunch of make scripts that work simmilar to garnome and they | 11:10 |
| raphink | hmm as long as it's fine with policy that's ok I guess | 11:10 |
| marcin` | raphink: do some things automagically - such as downloads, cvs checkouts etc. | 11:11 |
| raphink | the goal is to get the package(s) in universe though | 11:11 |
| raphink | hmmpf | 11:11 |
| raphink | if they are just maintainer tools that's fine | 11:11 |
| raphink | but if they run at build or so | 11:11 |
| raphink | I don't think we want that in universe | 11:11 |
| marcin` | raphink: yes they are maintainer tools | 11:11 |
| raphink | we've got enough of such crap around | 11:12 |
| marcin` | raphink: I only use cdbs in rules or just plain makefile | 11:12 |
| raphink | I use cdbs too | 11:12 |
| Fritti | right. i think dh_strip doesn't understand --tmpdir: $ dh_strip --tmpdir=debian/tmp | 11:12 |
| Fritti | dh_strip: -P was specified, but multiple packages would be acted on (gizmod,gizmoc,libgizmoplugins0,libgizmo0,libgizmo0-dev). | 11:12 |
| raphink | but the auto update option is not to be used though if youw ere thinking of it marcin` | 11:13 |
| raphink | well I think you saw it if you worked on my package | 11:13 |
| raphink | I used cdbs and install files debian/ | 11:13 |
| marcin` | raphink: yes I realized that | 11:13 |
| marcin` | raphink: anyway back to work - you live in France right? | 11:14 |
| raphink | yep | 11:14 |
| raphink | but I'm in holland right now | 11:14 |
| marcin` | raphink: ok so your working hours are simmilar to mine so I'll try to ping you tomorrow | 11:14 |
| raphink | yes | 11:15 |
| raphink | good | 11:15 |
| Fritti | doh. --tmpdir equals -P. so much for useful error messages :-/ | 11:15 |
| marcin` | raphink: night | 11:15 |
| raphink | night marcin` | 11:15 |
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| Fritti | Now running lintian... | 11:56 |
| Fritti | Finished running lintian. | 11:56 |
| Fritti | YAY | 11:56 |
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