[12:02] it would be interesting to have two Chinese l10n guy applying for membership the same day though [12:03] lol [12:04] (especially that said two people are NOT working together) [12:04] lol === Kyral fears his time in front of the TB in a couple months [12:05] why in a couple of months ? [12:05] You really think I can get MOTU right now? [12:06] I only have 2 packages [12:07] If it's up to me, I would like to give MOTU membership to people who probably lack skills but willing to learn/discuss/cooperate [12:07] like me lol [12:07] the latter seems more important to me [12:09] since the only difference between member & MOTU is upload rights, I would prefer that people have proven skills first [12:09] yah..and mine aren't proven lol [12:09] Granted they are MUCH better then they were when I started [12:09] ajmitch_: hmm, you are probably right === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] where can i make a backports request? [12:10] ajmitch_: maybe I should reconsider, I didn't really think carefully [12:10] derekS: Backports Forum on UbuntuForums [12:10] hmm, its down [12:10] derekS: there is also a mailing list === macgyver2 [n=eric@216-164-51-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:11] derekS: although I was told the requests should go to forums, but since it's down.... [12:11] ok [12:12] no one takes requests personally? [12:12] :) [12:12] no [12:12] ok [12:12] <\sh> derekS: mez or jdong [12:13] <\sh> when they are online...I think mez is a good guy to ask directly [12:13] \sh: thanks [12:13] Mez: ping? === derekS crosses his finger [12:13] *s [12:14] \sh: while i have you here, are there any good console jabber clients? [12:14] <\sh> derekS: well...if I need a console client, I would use centericq-utf8 [12:15] \sh: i am looking for something to keep running in the background 24/7 [12:15] <\sh> derekS: yes :) centericq-utf8 ... it's a console multi-im client...and jabber works perfektly :) [12:16] \sh: how does aim work on it? [12:16] \sh: i am looking for something to keep running in the background 24/7 [12:16] blah sorry about that [12:16] wrong window [12:16] <\sh> derekS: should work properly [12:16] <\sh> derekS: I don't use it for other things as jabber :) [12:17] \sh: :) === ompaul [n=ompaul@212.2.181.77] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] way to go all new Ubuntu Members!! [12:31] \o/ === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] :) === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua thanks everyone who showed up and supported him [12:34] :-) [12:34] like it was even needed ;-) === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robotgeek [n=robotgee@62.240.70.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-77-36.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] hi robotgeek [12:46] hey LaserJock [12:48] <\sh> hmmm...now I could need help from slomo [12:49] where's the motu requests wiki page again? [12:49] <\sh> last try with vlc for today...this firefox thingie drives me mad [12:49] <\sh> UniverseCandidates? [12:50] ah yes [12:50] man, that's a big page [12:51] yes, we were aiming for a better system for breezy already [12:51] <\sh> we would like to switch to launchpad or an RT based system [12:52] just add a launchpad team and assign bugs to it? [12:52] we have the MOTU team [12:52] there team assigning would actually make some sense ... [12:52] freeflying_: I am going home now, if you come back, wait for a while, I should be online in 20 minutes [12:53] see you guys later [12:53] <\sh> or we just wait until it hits debian [01:00] hm, >500MB to dist-upgrade [01:00] been a lot of changes lately [01:00] bah [01:01] I cannot log into my ubuntu server after I ripped some ldap packages out..so I rebooted witha live CD and fixed up nsswitch.conf but still no dice...anyone have any ideas? :) [01:03] even form the terminal it says login incorrect after waiting a few secs [01:03] <\sh> chillywilly: check /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow if your user is in it... === chillywilly trots back down to the server room === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa145.1.tellas.gr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [01:10] \sh: why? [01:10] <\sh> slomo: vlc and matroska doesn't work [01:10] <\sh> I tried to recompile [01:10] <\sh> but this doesn't help either [01:10] <\sh> VLC media player 0.8.4 Janus [01:10] <\sh> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x085e2300 *** [01:10] <\sh> Aborted [01:11] \sh: uh... nice... amd64? [01:11] <\sh> (that's the recompiled version) [01:11] <\sh> slomo: i386 [01:11] ok... [01:11] try gdb :) [01:13] <\sh> slomo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7591 === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] <\sh> looks like libebml or libmatroska [01:14] <\sh> and I don't understand why only the -dev packages are in our archives [01:14] maybe a static-only library? [01:15] <\sh> yes [01:15] i hate such libs... [01:15] and it should be libebml... hmm, maybe a new version was released or something was fixed in cvs for it... [01:16] <\sh> I mean, there can be several possibilities why it doesn't work [01:16] <\sh> 1. matroska is broken [01:16] <\sh> 2. vlc is broken [01:16] <\sh> 3. gcc-snapshot is the issue [01:16] <\sh> gcc-snapshot build-dep was introduced in 20 sep 2005 [01:17] yes... hm, maybe try to build it with gcc 4.0? [01:17] <\sh> slomo: well...I have to go to bed now :) need to be at 8 in the new office [01:17] no idea... but i need to go to bed now... only 5 hours of sleep left :( [01:17] new office? where? :) [01:17] <\sh> slomo: but if you have to time and the nerves...give it a go :) [01:18] <\sh> slomo: cologne...doing some freelancing work :) [01:18] <\sh> slomo: please watch tomorrow mtv and viva and check for something from mobilelabs/contenthouse :) [01:18] hmm, ringtones? [01:18] are they doing dialtones? [01:19] haha [01:19] <\sh> slomo: better [01:19] <\sh> slomo: IM via mobile [01:19] games? [01:19] <\sh> and some mailbox style java apps (dynamic content) only via IP over grps... [01:20] <\sh> well...actually you can think of me then, because now you know who is taking care about the quad xeon machines :) [01:20] <\sh> and all the application servers :) [01:20] sounds interesting... and more useful than ringtones or games =) === rikai-2 [n=gtk2@pool-70-105-244-62.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] anyway... bed... good night everybody :) [01:21] <\sh> slomo: I'll try tomorrow then to compile vlc with our plain toolchain compiler suite [01:22] blah... === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] hello, I am back :-) [01:22] freeflying_: there? [01:24] <\sh> ok..off to bed...cu [01:24] night \sh [01:24] good night \sh [01:24] talking to \sh is hard for me... the \ key is on different positions of my two keyboards :-( [01:25] minghua: chinese don't use MS-DOS lots? :) [01:25] time for me to walk back to LCA :) [01:26] i think MS-DOS was probably before i18n [01:26] ajmitch: say hi to aaron and lathiat for me [01:26] Riddell: they used to, but not anymore [01:26] ajmitch: make sure they're handing out Kubuntu CDs [01:26] Riddell: Hmm, I see your point, but I didn't use MSDOS much === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] and I never was good at typing the long path anyway... linux rules with / :-) [01:27] minghua: hi [01:27] tseng: believe it or not, MSDOS probably had better Chinese i18n than Mac OS X now :-) [01:28] seeing as there are way less strings [01:28] i believe you [01:28] freeflying_: if you prefer Chinese, we can go to another channel or use private talk [01:28] minghua: ubuntu-zh [01:30] pam hates me [01:30] minghua: sorry about -meeting; had a conference call [01:31] on the other hand, though, the Chinese i18n in MSDOS was the root of all troubles the linux i18n are dealing with today [01:31] crimsun: no problem at all, you support is still very appreciated :-) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D533.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] StevenK: was the update for quodlibet 0.17-1ubuntu1 intentional since 0.17.1-2 is in Sid? === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] bah, pam was configured to load pam_ldap.so and I had ripped it out already so that's what was causing all my fun ;P [01:46] time to go home now === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robotgeek [n=robotgee@62.240.70.121] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] hmm [02:28] what is this "Support Request" thing on Launchpad [02:30] umm, to request support ;-) [02:31] we thought about using them as universe candidates replacement ... [02:31] but you cant assign them to a group ... [02:32] last time I heard about it, it was with "you may try following that link, but I have no idea if it works at all" :-) [02:32] ogra: could we get that feature added? [02:32] LaserJock, probably [02:32] Riddell: are you around? [02:33] hey LJ [02:33] hi Kyral [02:34] you gonna confirm or close this bug? [02:34] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wxwidgets2.6/+bug/3194 [02:34] Malone bug 3194: "No non-unicode wxWidgets 2.6" Fix req. for: wxwidgets2.6 (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: Unconfirmed [02:34] well, I was thinking of giving them time to come up with a real bug ;-) [02:34] lol [02:34] Okay just askin' [02:34] Kyral: btw, my wife loves the puppy picture [02:34] I'm bored and am running through the untriaged bugs [02:35] LaserJock: lol [02:36] Kyral: if you find Science ones let me know. we really need to get a handle on those [02:37] I'll make a quick run through the UnAssigned [02:38] okay..I'm gonna confirm and wishlist this one [02:38] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/3640 [02:38] Malone bug 3640: "After installed, NTFS not readable and FAT read-only" Fix req. for: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed [02:38] Anyone object to that? [02:39] I'm thinking I should assign it to someplace but I don't know where lol === Kyral shrugs [02:41] Someone can change the bug report if they want === Kyral starts slashing all these wishlist things [02:44] like 5248 [02:44] ..Malone 5248 [02:44] Malone bug 5248: "People should now that next reboot is going to last a lot." Fix req. for: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/5248 [02:45] nice bug, I would say :-) [02:45] Yah [02:45] Confirm, WISHLIST [02:45] You wanna see a bad bug report? [02:46] Malone 5729 [02:46] Malone bug 5729: "cant acces cd-rom drive or floppy" Fix req. for: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/5729 [02:46] no, it's definitely not going to apply for dapper anymore [02:46] so confirmed is probably not a good status [02:47] Wishlist? [02:47] Yikes, that's a bad bug indeed [02:48] yah [02:48] reject them all!, haha j/k [02:49] hey LJ you want me to assign Malone 5950 to MOTU Science [02:49] Malone bug 5950: "python-netcdf does not depend on python-scientific, but does need it" Fix req. for: python-scientific (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/5950 [02:50] Kyral: yes === minghua tags it needinfo and added a comment [02:50] damn you its mine! [02:51] sounds like our MOTUScience's stuff [02:51] We need to be somewhat cautious about assigning stuff to MOTUScience since we only have 1 MOTU right now. [02:51] Kyral: Err... sorry. will give one back to you in the future :-) [02:51] so if it is something we are willing to do then fine, assign it to us === bddebian [n=BdeFrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/6169 [02:51] Malone bug 6169: "Winmodem installation" Fix req. for: Ubuntu, Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed [02:52] Hey, we buggin'? :) [02:52] but also subscribe ubuntu-bugs so that the rest of the MOTU know what's going on [02:52] I am :P [02:52] Hmm, maybe we should just subscribe motu-science to it instead of assigning [02:52] too late [02:52] LaserJock: you mean universe-bugs, don't you? === minghua doesn't read ubuntu-bugs (yet...) [02:53] minghua: yeah [02:54] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-xconfig/+bug/6600 [02:54] Malone bug 6600: "This package conflicts with nvidia-glx" Fix req. for: nvidia-xconfig (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed [02:54] Rejected :P [02:54] #5950 seems easy enough and I think we can fix that, no problem assigning to us [02:54] I just AptSh on both and neither confirmed that [02:55] minghua: well we could just subscribe but I think it is probably good to assign some too so that people see that we a contact for science related apps. Either way, I think for now it is best to make sure both MOTU Science and universe-bugs are getting the reports [02:55] we have a package named dog? [02:56] LaserJock: yeah, image building :-) [02:56] minghua, yes, its similar to cat, but doesnt meow [02:57] minghua: yeah, to some degree. It's good to do a little PR work now and then ;-) [02:57] Err, you can add someone to bug subscription but not getting him off? === jamesstansell [n=stansell@pm1-ded.ppp185.tulsaconnect.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] on the other side, ubuntu-bugs seems to subscribe every bug, so I'll just subscribe universe-bugs for #5950 then [02:59] Guys [02:59] I already assigned it to MOTU Science "{ [02:59] Kyral: did you also subscribe universe-bugs? [02:59] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/systeminstaller/+bug/28626 <---Explain and Reject :P [02:59] Malone bug 28626: "install k7 kernel on an athlon" Fix req. for: systeminstaller (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed [02:59] LaserJock: no :( [02:59] LaserJock: no, but I've just done that [03:01] ok, all I'm saying is, for now we should make sure the bug reports go to both ubuntu-science and universe-bugs because if we assign all the science related bugs to us now I think we might be overwhelmed while the rest of the MOTU won't know what's going on [03:01] Anyone agree that its okay to Reject that bug? [03:02] we can always reassign the bugs we can't deal with back to universe-bugs once in a while ;-) [03:02] anyone? [03:02] Kyral: that's a perfectly valid bug in my opinion [03:02] minghua: but its been addressed MANY times [03:03] There is not enough space on the Install CD [03:03] is there another bug? make it a duplicate then [03:03] no [03:03] but I have answered it MANY times :P [03:03] that isn't grounds to reject it [03:03] and AFIAK it isn't gonna change [03:04] that's why you need to keep a bug, explains there, and refer other people to it every other time :-) [03:04] Man, I am sooo far behing :'-( [03:04] bddebian: don't worry, you'll catch up :-) [03:04] fine fine [03:04] I === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] will confirm and wishlist [03:04] happy? [03:04] LaserJock: I dunno, I'm looking at the buglist.. Sheesh [03:05] bddebian: well, we move from bugzilla to malone so I think that contributes [03:06] Yeah, I noticed. How do I look at the universe bugs nowadays? :-) [03:07] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/systeminstaller/+bug/28626 [03:07] Malone bug 28626: "install k7 kernel on an athlon" Fix req. for: systeminstaller (Ubuntu), Severity: Wishlist, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Confirmed [03:07] anyone have a problem with my handling? [03:07] Yeah it sucks [03:07] bddebian: good question, let's see... [03:07] bddebian: I actually don't know. You can get the list of MOTU assigned ones but that's it [03:07] Kyral: :-) [03:08] bddebian: ain't it you who told me I would get my MOTU License by the end of Dapper? [03:08] https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs looks like a good start [03:08] #3123. Didn't we kill python2.3 in Breezy? [03:08] Kyral: Probably :-) [03:08] yeah, this is what LaserJock was referring [03:09] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/28629 <--_Okay can I reject this one? [03:09] Malone bug 28629: "too many updates" Fix req. for: update-manager (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed [03:10] I think we really need to get the xml-rpc going in LP so that we can query Malone fore universe bugs [03:10] Kyral: re 28629. Probably [03:10] Gawd I feel more stupid than ever [03:11] Yea! BOFH! [03:11] I mean [03:11] who the HECK files a bug because he has too many updates? [03:11] He wants too many updates he should use Dapper! [03:13] there aren't that many for breezy. I think most people would apprecitate having security fixes [03:13] eh I'll give it another week [03:13] yah so REJECT? [03:14] doko: Around? [03:15] oh wait [03:15] mike vogt is subscribed... [03:15] this might be important lol [03:15] confirm and wishlist? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] Man I'm wishlisting a lot [03:19] Have the merge pages moved? [03:19] Why is #15910 still open? === minghua_ [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] MOTUScience: if you look towards the bottom of http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/all_list.html at the "Outdated in Ubuntu" section we will be able to see what packages we can merge/sync [03:26] It look like we can do most of them [03:26] looks === minghua_ is now known as minghua [03:29] LaserJock: Are these not on the merge list? [03:29] no [03:29] because of UVF there are no more automatic merges/syncs [03:30] That wasn't my question :-) [03:31] so can you elaborate? [03:32] bddebian: what merge list are you talking about? [03:33] The normal MoM stuff [03:34] well, the ones I'm talking about aren't because MoM isn't running anymore. [03:34] LaserJock: I realize that. What I'm asking is if they were on the list originally :-) [03:35] maybe, basically I assume they are updates that Debian did after MoM stopped running [03:36] that is why they are mostly just small changes that we should be able to merge/sync. [03:37] LaserJock: You do know that MoM doesn't merge packages automatically right? There is user/MOTU intervention required. [03:37] yes [03:37] but the revu.tauware.de list uses the MoM output to make the merge list [03:38] so the list hasn't been updated since the 12th [03:38] Ahhh, gotcha, sorry [03:39] np [03:39] so now that UVF is here we can still get an idea of what packages we can merge/sync [03:40] Aye [03:40] ANyone in here know where the xml files mime types go? I can't remember shit :-( === minghua needs to go to bed early today [03:43] good night [03:43] Gnight minghua [03:43] cya minghua === minghua waves [03:54] Did I scare everyone away again?? [03:55] what is the command to see what libs are being called when a program runs? [03:56] gdb? ;-P [03:56] I thought it was like objdump or something [03:56] You can do objdump -t to see what a particular lib provides, eys [03:56] Err yes even [03:59] bddebian: you didn't scare me away but I'm afraid I'm too dumb to help you [04:00] LaserJock: D00d, does it look like I'm asking intelligent questions?? :-) I feel like I have forgotten EVERYTHING :'-( [04:06] bddebian: let me put it this way, even if you have forgotten 90% of what you knew I bet you would still know more than me [04:09] I HIGHLY doubt that [04:09] ask ajmitch :) === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] We can't close bugs anymore? [04:14] no? [04:14] "fix released" [04:16] I set it to FixCommitted but does that close it? [04:16] yes [04:16] at least I'm pretty sure it does [04:16] oh, wait. no "Fix Released" closes it [04:19] Hmm, OK [04:19] Hmm, my karma dropped to 230.. WTF? :'-( === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] yeah, they take Karma away for MIA :( [04:21] *sniff, sniff* [04:21] Mine droped after I hadn't done any merges for a while [04:21] on the other hand, check out \sh and ajmitch's karma :-/ [04:22] I don't even want to look :-) [04:23] \sh is >3300 [04:23] I heard :-) [04:23] Hmm, I don't even have the ubuntumembers emblem? WTF? :'-( [04:23] poor bddebian, I feel sorry for ya man [04:23] LaserJock: mine is low [04:24] ajmitch: still a lot better than mine === zakame [n=zak@210.213.78.78] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] mine will never be high === ajmitch waves to bddebian [04:24] Heya ajmitch [04:24] ajmitch: I'm feeling unloved again :-) === LaserJock gives bddebian a big hug [04:25] :-) [04:25] I've been hanging around dholbach too much ;-) [04:25] bddebian: don't worry, you only feel unloved === ajmitch is unloved :) === LaserJock gives ajmitch a big hug [04:26] ajmitch: Did you ever get a laptop? [04:26] ajmitch: You have NEVER loved me.. ;-P === Kyral kisses bddebian [04:27] bddebian: I've got a laptop here === Kyral hugs ajmitch [04:27] Kyral: calm down [04:27] hello all :D [04:27] I think the steam went to my head [04:28] or at least something did [04:28] I feel all lovey [04:28] lol [04:28] feel lovey elsewhere :P [04:28] better then feeling all BOFHish :P [04:28] hehe [04:29] Hello zakame === LaserJock is going to do some work and let Kyral calm donw for a while ;-) [04:29] heya bddebian :) [04:29] Would you rather get a hug or get told to "STFU RTFM" [04:29] ajmitch: Ahh [04:29] So what are we doing with breezy bugs I can't reproduce in dapper? [04:30] WTF launchpad is offline??? [04:30] RTFS :) [04:30] I'm on a roll here damnit [04:30] RTFS on what? [04:30] RTFS = Read the Fuckin' Source? [04:30] RTSL [04:31] RTSL? [04:31] Or is it UTSL? [04:31] Use The Source Luke [04:31] lol [04:31] I was about to say that [04:31] lol [04:32] lol, "I see this one is strong with the Source" [04:32] And MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU! [04:32] Hmm, how long is LaunchPad gonna be down? :-( [04:32] w00t [04:32] I gotta catch ajmitch's karma or I'll never hear the end of it.. ;-P [04:32] lol [04:33] bddebian: did you knock out LP? [04:33] BAD! [04:33] heh [04:33] And why the hell is -devel so quiet? [04:34] bddebian, it is 3/4am in Europe [04:34] hmm, maybe they're on vacation and nobody told us === spstarr_home [n=spstarr@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] Burgundavia: Europe schmurope :-) [04:37] hrm shouldn't we rename murasaki? Tt seems to be rather raw right now, since hotplug appears broke right now. (perhaps rename it BACK to hotplug since it makes more sense?) [04:37] Why is #2246 still open? [04:37] s/Tt/It [04:38] spstarr_home, why is it even in the repos? Ubuntu has never shipped a 2.4 kernel [04:39] its present if I try to use hotplug in dapper, im wondering the same [04:39] Why would you use hotplug? [04:39] spstarr_home, hotplug has been replaced with udev in dapper [04:39] apparently, hotplug is is broken in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EarlyUserspace [04:39] Its been integrated into udev [04:39] yeah but udev doesn't seem to be doing what its supposed to be w/ netlink [04:39] spstarr_home, you filed a bug? [04:40] not yet, im still looking into it [04:40] udevinfo is 0.79 [04:41] but I do see murasaki [04:41] p murasaki - another HotPlug Agent [04:41] let me check my pkg list to confirm [04:42] #3387 looks like an easy fix. Is it worth it? [04:43] http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/murasaki/ [04:43] crimsun: Yes, quodlibet 0.17-1 failed to build, so I fixed the build problem. [04:43] yes, we do have it in ubuntu [04:43] but it supports 2.5/2.6 apparently [04:46] crimsun: My feeling was that a merge from Debian just fix a trivial build problem wasn't worth it. [04:47] hi StevenK [04:49] ajmitch: You aren't keeping up here d00d :-) === StevenK waves. === StevenK wonders why he hasn't seen any buildds attempt the new quodlibet. [04:52] oh udevd moved the firmware location [04:53] ho-hum :) [04:54] oh, now it works [04:55] no bug to file, /lib/firmware != /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware anymore === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spstarr_home [n=spstarr@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["thanks] === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.193.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] StevenK: fair enough, though I was thinking about the updated translations [05:47] crimsun: I was being cautios. [05:48] StevenK: I figured you were :-) === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] Heya crimsun [05:53] crimsun: Hey, do I need to make a dpatch for a two line code change just to fix missing {} in an else? [05:55] bddebian: generally, no, unless the Debian package uses dpatch [05:55] bddebian: (hi :-) [05:56] my opinion is that the fix is so trivial that it doesn't warrant the bloat that a dpatch would have [05:59] Well it does have dpatch already but for this fix it seems like bloat as you say [06:00] I'd skip dpatchifying it and send the diff as an attachment to a wishlist bug [06:04] It's a malone bug already and the submitter sent it upstream already :-) [06:04] Anyway, bedtime. Thanks, crimsun [06:05] bddebian: np, 'night === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-12-18-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === siretart [i=siretart@ubuntu/member/siretart] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ejofee [n=ejofee@195-245-89-185.dtcom.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] it is said dapper will merge the two cds (live and installation) into one. but then does it have everything installed from the beginning, or there will still be a certain amount of debs which can be installed later? (either case, when used as a live cd, it will show much less apps available. right?) [06:31] ((well, esp. the latter case)) === john_ [n=chatzill@pool-138-89-62-149.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] ejofee: I don't think so, I think it will just have a script to install to a hard drive, but I don't know for sure === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] LaserJock: how sure is it we'll have the new installer available for dapper? [06:59] ejofee: actually, I didn't quite read your questions right. I'm not sure if all the packages that would be installed will be availible in the livecd [06:59] ejofee: I'm not sure, we haven't seen about it but the answer seem that it will be here "soon" [07:03] LaserJock: thanks === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-12-18-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:34] ejofee, I have heard the first version will be available after the dev sprint [07:50] Burgundavia: meaning... about when? [07:51] ejofee, next few weeks [07:52] Burgundavia: the text-based installer scared many friends of mine away from ubuntu; they had been spoiled by distros such as suse and mandriva, and ubuntu looked very unpolished to them; i guess this is more general than my friends only. i am sorry ubuntu didn't have a graphical installer from the beginning :( [07:52] Burgundavia: some people are simply prejudiced against the console. [07:57] ejofee, the new installer will leapfrog most existing installers, as it will install directly from within gnome from a livecd [07:57] Burgundavia: ... or kde. right. which is *cool*. i found this feature also in pclinuxos. [07:58] ejofee, the backend is all desktop agnostic. All the kde people is write a new front end [07:58] right [07:58] Burgundavia: as i said yesterday, maybe we should also use mc & nano as a failback for the live cd [07:59] Burgundavia: this way we could get as user-friendly as possible [07:59] ejofee, what does that offer? [07:59] Burgundavia: you don't know mc? [07:59] Burgundavia: (well, i mean "noob-friendly" rather than "user-friendly", but you're getting the point) [08:00] nope, I am a gnome person through and through === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01]