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[04:16] <paolob> Hi ogra!
[04:16] <paolob> hi guys!
[04:24] <paolob> I keeps having a big delay (> 1 min.) when the clients perform the 2nd mount nfs, before running the services in /etc/init.d : anyone could help me solve this problem? the more clients are booting, the larger is this delay. Any idea? I have the server in a lan with this pc, we could examine log, etc. Please help me if you can! :-) thank you!
[04:40] <paolob> is it what is described in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientFasterStartup?highlight=%28delay%29 ?
[04:40] <paolob> Do we have a solution without waiting for 6.04? thank you!
[04:44] <paolob> I mean a workaround in order to solve the problem now
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[10:44] <guim> mhz_food ?
[10:44] <guim> are you there,
[10:44] <guim> ?
[11:40] <paolob> hi guys!
[11:40] <paolob> I keeps having a big delay (> 1 min.) when the clients perform the 2nd mount nfs, before running the services in /etc/init.d : anyone could help me solve this problem? the more clients are booting, the larger is this delay. Any idea? I have the server in a lan with this pc, we could examine log, etc
[11:40] <paolob> Do we have a solution without waiting for 6.04? I mean a workaround in order to solve the problem now
[11:41] <paolob> The problem seems what is described in https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientFasterStartup?highlight=%28delay%29 ?
[11:41] <ogra> well, the bugs isnt fixed in dapper yet
[11:42] <ogra> there is a 3 second "sleep" command in the mount script in initramfs to avoid nfs timing out at first boot...
[11:43] <ogra> you could try to remove that and see if the timeout occurs, that would save you the 3 second delay
[11:44] <paolob> ogra : I think the problem is that the client is receiving two IP, one at boot, and another at the nfs mount before running the services.
[11:44] <paolob> ogra: apparently the booted client doesn't "remember" its first IP address
[11:44] <ogra> might be, i'll put some time into that bug after feature freeze, currently feature development is highest priority
[11:45] <ogra> (so i havent looked deeply yet)
[11:46] <ogra> its on the list as one of the highest priority bugs to be fixed in dapper though
[11:46] <paolob> ogra: I have another LTSP net, with skole linux, and it hasn't that bug. It has been installed in 2002.
[11:46] <paolob> ogra: but what package does the bug refer to?
[11:47] <ogra> yes, it doesnt use initramfs, very likely a very old dhcpd and a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel
[11:47] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/19196
[11:47] <paolob> ogra: yes a 2.4 kernel
[11:47] <ogra> thats not comparable ...
[11:48] <ogra> skole is based on woody, thats five year old software :)
[11:48] <paolob> ogra: :-(
[11:48] <ogra> we must fix the bug in recent software
[11:49] <ogra> sorry that there is only this 3 second workaround yet, but its at least better to boot slower than to not boot at all
[11:50] <paolob> ogra: how do I put the 3 sec. workaround precisely?
[11:51] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[11:51] <ogra> edit /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs
[11:52] <ogra> run: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[11:52] <ogra> in the above script there is only one sleep command, just delete that line
[12:01] <paolob> ogra: dpkg-reconfigure gave me many similar locale warnings:
[12:01] <ogra> thats fine
[12:01] <paolob> # dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[12:01] <paolob> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[12:01] <paolob> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[12:01] <paolob>         LANGUAGE = "es_DO:es_ES:es:en_GB:en",
[12:01] <paolob>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[12:01] <paolob>         LANG = "es_DO.UTF-8"
[12:01] <paolob>     are supported and installed on your system.
[12:01] <ogra> there is no locale set in the chroot 
[12:01] <paolob> ah, ok
[12:02] <paolob> ogra: then, when I do the first client's boot, all should be ok?
[12:02] <ogra> either it times our and will only work on second boot, or its 3 seconds faster
[12:03] <ogra> s/our/out/
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[01:55] <penguin_roar> hello0
[01:55] <juliux> hi penguin_roar 
[01:56] <penguin_roar> anyone have a good script for managin lost sessions=
[01:56] <penguin_roar> some users processes gets left hanging by gdm
[01:57] <penguin_roar> that is, after they log out or something goes wrong
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[03:48] <divansantana> Hello! Anyone here got LTSP working with sound and local devices?
[03:50] <ogra> sound is included by default in the dapper releases
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[03:50] <ogra> s/releases/release/
[03:51] <ogra> local devices out of the box will wait until dapper+1 (october)
[03:51] <divansantana> Can I use the dapper version now? To get the sound working?
[03:51] <divansantana> Is it easy to upgrade to dapper from breezy LTSP?
[03:52] <ogra> we have ltspfs and ltspfsd in dapper available, so you'll be able to set up local device support wiht the scripts from ltsp.org until its implemented
[03:52] <divansantana> Should I rather compile from source using Mandriva? to get the sound etc working?
[03:52] <ogra> dapper is in heavy development currently, YMMV 
[03:52] <jsgotangco> :)
[03:52] <ogra> why from mandriva ? 
[03:53] <divansantana> Mandrake can apparently get LTSP sound and local devies working... I think
[03:53] <divansantana> Can I get sound working in breezy manually?
[03:53] <ogra> you sould need the ltsp-server-standalone package from dapper in any case, i didnt test if it works on breezy
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[03:53] <ogra> s/sould/would/
[03:54] <divansantana> But its probably not stable yet. I need to setup a terminal server with sound and local devices but I prefer ubuntu so would like towait untill April
[03:54] <ogra> divansantana, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientAudioSupport shows how i implemented it in dapper, you can try to do the same in breezy
[03:55] <divansantana> So can upgrade to dapper and get sound working. Else I must go with Mandrake setup which dont want to!
[03:55] <divansantana> ogra: Wow! Thanks for that! At leastt I have some lead to follow! Hopefully it can help me!
[03:57] <ogra> feel free to bug me if you have other questions 
[03:59] <divansantana> ogra: So would I rather set up this scenario following this way https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto or this way http://linus.yhspatriot.net/cs/docs/ubuntu_howto/UbuntuLTSPInstall to setup the sound as per https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientAudioSupport
[03:59] <divansantana> ogra: What do you think
[04:00] <ogra> erm
[04:00] <ogra> the second document is evil :)
[04:00] <ogra> thats only for hoary, where we werent upstream for ltsp development ... the ltsp 4.1 impelmentation will get dropped soon in ubuntu ...
[04:01] <ogra> the sound impelmentation indeed applies only to the ltsp we develop on ubuntu, not to the old ltsp.org implementation
[04:02] <divansantana> There for I should do the following you think https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientAudioSupport + https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientAudioSupport
[04:03] <divansantana> ogra: Wow! You probably just saved me from wasting a whole bunch of my time!
[04:03] <ogra> depends :)
[04:03] <divansantana> ogra: ?
[04:03] <ogra> ltsp 4.1 works even in breezy, but you'll have to reinstall to upgrade :)
[04:03] <divansantana> I meant  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientAudioSupport +https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto 
[04:04] <ogra> muecow ltsp we develop in ubuntu will be fully upgradeable over all ubuntu releases :)
[04:04] <divansantana> Okay so I either do MueKow or I build from source? Or what is the seond option?
[04:05] <ogra> err, these were the two options :)
[04:05] <ogra> muecow is the default in ubuntu, but as you see is missing the exctra goodies in breezy (like sound or localdev)
[04:05] <divansantana> So this https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ThinClientAudioSupport applies to MueKow version right ?
[04:05] <ogra> yes
[04:06] <ogra> it applies to ubuntu developemnt :)
[04:06] <divansantana> Kewl, So I will try my butt off to get MueKow + sound because I love Kubuntu! Over Mandrake
[04:06] <ogra> :)
[04:06] <divansantana> Thank you thank you! Do you work for Canonical ? Hehe
[04:06] <ogra> just dont mix the two ... that will break heavily :)
[04:07] <ogra> yup
[04:07] <divansantana> What do you mean? Don't mix MueKow and source right?
[04:07] <ogra> dont use ltspadmin and friends if you have ltsp-server installed
[04:08] <ogra> there he goes 
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[04:11] <divansantana> Strangely konversation crashed
[04:11] <divansantana> But my pc is slow...
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[05:50] <edubuntu> Problem to set up Edubuntu thin client. Proceeded as described in Wiki. PXE boot process starts, loads pxelinux..., detects hardware and then appears message /sbin/init -no such directory, cannot get tty, job control turned off...
[05:50] <edubuntu> What to do???
[05:50] <edubuntu> It happens with every client (just ordinary  PCs) I try to boot
[05:51] <ogra> you did a default edubuntu install ? 
[05:51] <ogra> and followed http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes and the linked pages ? 
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[07:44] <edubuntu> Please help! Cannot start thin client. Have done as described in installnotes: configured server, thinclients (usual PC-s) can PXE boot. Procedure happens as follow: Client booting, find pxelinux.0, detect lot of hardware then problem with /sbin/init - then cannot find "target filesystem" and process stops with a # in reduced commandline. What is wrong?
[07:44] <ogra> thats breezy ? 
[07:45] <edubuntu> Yes, thats Edubuntu 5.10
[07:45] <ogra> check that the nfs server is running ...
[07:45] <ogra> can you post your dhcpd.conf to a pastebin ? 
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[07:52] <edubuntu>  dhcpd.conf is like in edubuntu server setup page -as usual. Cannot send it at the moment  because cannot browse to our school edubuntu server at the moment (I'm behind my laptop with Ubuntu 5.10). In system-monitor are running several nfs processes. Actually the same server is working for a computer class with dedicated VXL thin clients and there is no problem, because clients are quite smart (supporting esound, smb etc) and "join" the se
[07:53] <ogra> thats strange ... it sounds liek a nfs timeout ...
[07:54] <ogra> are these special thin clients with any strange hardware config on board ? 
[07:57] <edubuntu> The class terminals are like this http://www.vxl.net/product.asp?pmodel=tc6833-li but PC-s I try to boot are simple basic PC-s. I tried PXE boot my IBM R40 today and it acts exactly the same and displays same messages as PC. Is there something wrong with kernel loading?
[07:58] <ogra> nope
[07:58] <ogra> if you get to the initramfs you already got a kernel 
[07:59] <edubuntu> How can i get then the login screen (gdm or similar)?
[07:59] <ogra> there should be a nfs timeout error somewhere above
[08:00] <edubuntu> where is done nfs configuration?
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[08:00] <ogra> in /etc/exports but it gets set up on install 
[08:00] <ogra> if your install finished properly then all will be set up fine 
[08:01] <edubuntu> Maybe it is our network problem? Special strange protocol? All network is configured with TCP/IP. 3Com switches...
[08:02] <ogra> that shouldnt be an issue
[08:02] <edubuntu> So as i understand, if all finished correctly i should arrive to a login screen (gdm??)
[08:02] <ogra> ldm
[08:02] <edubuntu> vxl terminals are getting gdm-login screen
[08:03] <ogra> but yes
[08:04] <edubuntu> maybe i have to disable xdmcp on the server?
[08:04] <ogra> your dhcpd.conf file would be really intresting to solve it 
[08:04] <ogra> edubuntu doesnt use xdmcp at all
[08:05] <edubuntu> but i have switched on the xdmcp and then VXL terminals can connect to the server.
[08:05] <ogra> (so a running one cant do any harm)
[08:05] <edubuntu> I send you dhcpd.conf in minutes because it is exactly the same as in wiki page
[08:05] <ogra> and its in the right place 
[08:06] <ogra> (/etc/ltsp/)
[08:06] <ogra> i assume 
[08:07] <edubuntu> dhcpd. conf is authoritative;  subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {   range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250;   option domain-name "example.com";   option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;   option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;   option routers 192.168.0.1;   option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;    filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; }
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[08:17] <edubuntu> I have done probably several stupidities: installed ltspadmin packages, made ltsp-build-client which is probably not necessary at all... Nothing helped.
[08:17] <ogra_> agh
[08:18] <ogra_> reinstall the server 
[08:18] <ogra_> never use ltspadmin together with ubuntu 
[08:18] <ogra_> s/ubuntu/edubuntu(
[08:20] <ogra_> ltsp-bild-client is run by the installer already, never run it twice ...
[08:20] <ogra_> looks like you completely broke the ltsp setup
[08:21] <edubuntu> Sad news - because otherwise terminals are working flawlessly, playing sounds, movies, connecting USB sticks. I have ab. 800 registered users for the class. I would not like to make the reinstall. 
[08:22] <ogra_> there is no way to fix it reliable 
[08:23] <edubuntu> VXL terminals doesnt care at all if I have built the client or not
[08:24] <ogra_> they dont netboot, they just start a local system
[08:25] <edubuntu> The messages on thinclient (usual PC-s) screen are the same - before ltsp-build-client or after
[08:26] <ogra_> ltsp-build-client might do no harm, never tried it, but ltspadmin overwrites the confis, installs a wrong kernel and other things
[08:26] <edubuntu> As I suppose ltsp-build-client is simply installing client system in /opt/ltsp/i386. Where is located Edubuntu "thinclient stuff"=
[08:26] <edubuntu> ?
[08:27] <ogra_> nope, it als changes configs in the client chroot, generates a netboot kernel and installs it in the tftpserver
[08:27] <edubuntu> I didnt install ltsp kernel module - only ltsp-core and ltsp-x-core. I suppose I can also uninstall it.
[08:28] <ogra_> uninstalling it and fixing the ubuntu setup might take you say 8-10h ... a reinstall will take you max 1.5h
[08:29] <ogra_> if you dont have valuable data you cant back up i'd go for a reinstall ...
[08:30] <ogra_> you'll have to check all config files in the client chroot ... 
[08:31] <edubuntu>  I have 800 users with their home folders. I am little bit afraid because setting user privileges was not very easy. Edubuntu lost the trace several times (ie. certain privileges disappeared in couple of days etc.)
[08:33] <ogra_> hmm
[08:33] <ogra_> first remove the /opt/ltsp/i386 dir 
[08:33] <ogra_> then run ltsp-build-client again ... 
[08:33] <ogra_> with a lot of luck it works ...
[08:34] <edubuntu> Even after initial install I couldnt start simple PCs as thin clients. Thats why I started "fiddle" with this ltspadmin.
[08:34] <edubuntu> Are you sure that it doesnt affect VXL terminals and current users?
[08:34] <ogra_> they all stalled after the initramfs ? 
[08:36] <edubuntu> Can I join you tomorrow on the list? -  Im in the office and can touch our edubuntuserver directly? What a clock UTC?
[08:36] <ogra_> it wont access any user data
[08:36] <ogra_> i'm here every day
[08:37] <edubuntu> every hour?
[08:37] <ogra_> normally i stand up around 10 UTC
[08:37] <edubuntu> OK - see you.
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[09:23] <JaneW> ogra: that's my lunch time ;)
[09:24] <ogra> yupp :)
[09:24] <ogra> but you dont stay up intil 3:00 UTC ;)
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[09:47] <JaneW> ogra: indeed I don't... usually 22:00UTC
[09:47] <JaneW> ogra: so you win ;P
[09:48] <JaneW> actually wait, it's the same amount of awake time...
[09:48] <JaneW> but I spend more afk, so you still win ;)
[09:48] <ogra> yup
[09:48] <ogra> i'm just livng at atlantis TZ ;)
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[10:04] <lucasvo> ogra: on a nice little island?
[10:04] <lucasvo> ;-P
[10:05] <ogra> heh
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[11:07] <coolio_za> does anyone use an internet cafe management tool
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