Sime | hey, that was the wrong channel. | 12:07 |
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raphink | Sime: ja, ik denk zo ook ;) | 01:19 |
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jjesse | anyone having any issues w/ dapper and booting up with a USB drive attached already? | 03:21 |
jjesse | i get a notice that KDE Daemon has crashed and it comes up about 40 time or so and then disappears | 03:22 |
jjesse | if i boot w/o it plugged in it works fine | 03:22 |
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Tm_T | good morning crimsun, haven't seen you for awhile | 06:12 |
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Tonio_ | hre | 09:56 |
Tonio_ | hi there | 09:56 |
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JRe | Riddell: have you tried Keep? | 01:35 |
Riddell | JRe: nope, just about to | 01:38 |
JRe | k | 01:38 |
Riddell | mornfall: adept working now :) | 01:59 |
mornfall | aye :) | 02:00 |
Riddell | Tonio_: kdbus good, needs 1 more review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1613 | 02:04 |
Riddell | \sh, pef_aw, raphink etc :) | 02:04 |
raphink | I'llhave a look at it | 02:05 |
raphink | I uploaded konq-kim again Riddell | 02:05 |
\sh | Riddell / Tonio_ : advocated | 02:06 |
Riddell | \sh: that was fast! | 02:06 |
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raphink | ah ok :) | 02:07 |
raphink | well then ;) | 02:07 |
Riddell | Tonio_: keep package has a patch but no include simplepatch.mk in debian/rules | 02:12 |
hunger | Riddell: I am running the dapper-testing debs for kde 3.5.1 | 02:12 |
hunger | Riddell: So far they seem to crash less frequent then the 3.5.0 ones.... I'd recommend to replace those with the 3.5.1 ones. | 02:13 |
Riddell | hunger: great, thanks | 02:13 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: let me check ;) | 02:13 |
hunger | Riddell: Some of the icons look nicer, too;-) | 02:13 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: right, let me correct that (3 minutes) | 02:14 |
Tonio_ | \sh: thanks for kdbus | 02:14 |
Tm_T | hu hu | 02:16 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: not the first time that I can see this... | 02:21 |
hunger | Riddell: noatune does not work at all. | 02:22 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: when the patch is applied on cvs.sh, building requires automake, while it works correctly without patching.... | 02:22 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: aware of that problem ? | 02:22 |
mornfall | hunger: noatun needs arts | 02:22 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I have the issue with keep actually.... it doesn't build with the patch applied.... | 02:22 |
mornfall | but i don't know if that may be the problem :) | 02:23 |
Riddell | hunger: noatun works here (dapper 3.5.1) | 02:25 |
Riddell | Tonio_: why doesn't it build? | 02:26 |
hunger | Riddell: It does not even start to playback. | 02:26 |
Riddell | hunger: does artsplay work? | 02:26 |
hunger | Riddell: amarok works fine. | 02:26 |
Riddell | JRe: how can I test keep? do I have to wait all day for a backup? | 02:26 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: It tries tu make usage of automake, while it doesn't when the simplepatchsys line is commented.... | 02:27 |
hunger | Riddell: Yes. | 02:27 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I've seen the same problem with a pair of packages (metamonitor for example) | 02:27 |
JRe | Riddell: you can force a backup :) | 02:28 |
Tonio_ | nope, not metamonitor...... let me check which one | 02:28 |
Tonio_ | JRe: any idea concerning that problem ???? | 02:29 |
hunger | Riddell: One sec... used a ogg while the file I tried with noatune was a mp3 | 02:29 |
Tonio_ | JRe: I assume this has something to do with the version of the admin/ folder maybe.... | 02:29 |
JRe | Tonio_: I have the last updated on from /branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin | 02:30 |
Tonio_ | JRe: sounds strange.... Can you just try to build the keep package I've done in a dapper chroot ? | 02:30 |
Riddell | JRe: ok, I force a backup (and I think that should be changed to "do backup now") and it runs rdiff but no output | 02:30 |
Riddell | running the rdiff command manually gives an error | 02:30 |
Riddell | keep should tell the user that but it doesn't | 02:31 |
Riddell | Fatal Error: Destination directory | 02:31 |
Riddell | /home/jr/backup | 02:31 |
Riddell | exists, but does not look like a rdiff-backup directory. | 02:31 |
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Tonio_ | JRe: Simply build as it is, then add the simplepatchsys line in rules, and you'll see it asks for automake...... | 02:31 |
hunger | Riddell: Looks like artsplay does not like mp3 (even though artscontrol lists it as supported). | 02:31 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: keep reuploaded with patchsys and an automake1.9 dep.... builds fine | 02:32 |
Riddell | Tonio_: cool, strange that it needs automake just for touching cvs.sh | 02:33 |
Riddell | JRe: other than that keep looks great | 02:33 |
Riddell | backups work well | 02:34 |
Riddell | could do with something saying when next backup will happen | 02:34 |
Riddell | and I don't know what unballesting means | 02:35 |
JRe | Tonio_: what ? | 02:39 |
JRe | Riddell: it see that older backups than this current limit are deleted | 02:39 |
JRe | s/see/seems/ | 02:39 |
JRe | err s/seems/means/ :) | 02:40 |
Riddell | change that to "removal"? | 02:42 |
JRe | Riddell: ok | 02:45 |
JRe | Riddell: will do | 02:45 |
JRe | Riddell: I know the working of my app is terrible since I am not a native english speaker :) | 02:45 |
JRe | s/working/wording/ | 02:45 |
Riddell | JRe: it's the showing an error when the backup directory is not valid that needs fixed though, once that's done I'd love for it to go on the CD | 02:46 |
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JRe | Riddell: ok | 02:50 |
JRe | Riddell: you want that i made a patch for these modifications or a new version ? | 02:50 |
Riddell | JRe: new version probably | 02:50 |
Tonio_ | JRe: let me know whe it is available, I will update the package | 02:51 |
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jjesse | Riddell: can you make sure the correct stylesheet is applied to the quickguide? it doesn't look as pretty as the releasenotes | 02:55 |
Riddell | jjesse: yes, but probably not for a couple of weeks | 02:57 |
jjesse | Riddell: ok, as long as it gets done before the release :) | 02:57 |
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JRe | Tonio_, Riddell: ok will do that before end of week | 02:57 |
Riddell | hello enfact | 02:58 |
Riddell | JRe: did you say once upon a time that you were making a floppy/usb disk formatting program? | 03:00 |
Tonio_ | JRe: np | 03:01 |
enfact | hey Riddel | 03:03 |
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Riddell | enfact: going to join us as an elite kubuntu developer? | 03:04 |
enfact | i would love too, i actually have a couple guys together right now and we're thinking of doing a new distro or just starting work based on kubuntu | 03:04 |
sebas | Riddell: Does launchpad have taskmanagement and events calender functionality? | 03:05 |
enfact | possibly ubuntu though because of new stuff coming out for graphics (XGL, XEGL, open gl based stuff | 03:05 |
Riddell | sebas: I think it has calendar stuff, but I've never looked at it | 03:05 |
enfact | doesnt seem like that is going in the KDE direction at all, dissapointing | 03:05 |
sebas | Riddell: May I /query you? | 03:06 |
Riddell | enfact: that's all X stuff, all desktop environments will get it | 03:06 |
Riddell | sebas: sure | 03:06 |
sebas | OK. | 03:06 |
enfact | but its all GNOME guys on it currently | 03:06 |
enfact | seth nickell and some new guy novell picked up | 03:07 |
Riddell | enfact: http://dot.kde.org/1126267099/ | 03:08 |
Riddell | exa is written by a KDE developer | 03:08 |
enfact | they're keeping lips tight about plasma | 03:09 |
enfact | havent seen anyting, have you seen the vids from seth nickell's blog? | 03:09 |
enfact | wobbly windos | 03:09 |
enfact | http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots | 03:12 |
Riddell | enfact: yes I saw that, it's almost as good as the stuff zack showed at akademy | 03:12 |
enfact | thats so good to hear :) | 03:13 |
enfact | the point of all this is that i've designed an entire new GUI that we're to implement | 03:13 |
JRe | Riddell: yes it's true but it will only be available with KDE 4 | 03:13 |
JRe | Riddell: using the Solid backend | 03:13 |
Riddell | if you go to one of aaron's talks about plasma he's not tight lipped but there's nothing definate in it yet so it's not on the website | 03:13 |
enfact | trying to find the best base for it because it is heavy on transparency & movement | 03:13 |
enfact | i plan on being in boston for linuxworld | 03:13 |
enfact | dont know the schedule for that though :( | 03:14 |
Riddell | JRe: ah ok, so a while away yet | 03:16 |
enfact | is there any source out there yet that you would consider stable enough to even hack on and try out this new GUI? | 03:16 |
Riddell | enfact: qt 4 :) | 03:16 |
enfact | assumed | 03:16 |
Riddell | 4.1 has funky SVG stuff | 03:16 |
enfact | im talking about these new quartz like X over-layers | 03:16 |
enfact | i will have to check out more from zack, hoping there's some kind of source to work from out yet... | 03:17 |
enfact | funky SVG as in messed up or great, actually some SVG to balance with cairo? | 03:19 |
Riddell | enfact: arthur is the qt rendering engine which is equivalent to cairo | 03:25 |
Riddell | enfact: the funky (i.e. good) SVG stuff in 4.1 is equivalent to rsvg or the like | 03:25 |
enfact | cool | 03:26 |
Riddell | enfact: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1559 | 03:27 |
Riddell | could well be what you want | 03:27 |
enfact | thanks much riddel | 03:27 |
enfact | i look forward to being in here more to help out, im no coder, just UI usability type :) | 03:27 |
jjesse | enfact: don't worry i just do documentation work so we all can find places in the kubuntu-devel team :P | 03:28 |
enfact | and design | 03:28 |
enfact | cool | 03:28 |
Riddell | #needaname reminds me of no-name-yet.com | 03:32 |
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enfact | haha | 03:32 |
enfact | we're working on something | 03:32 |
enfact | temporary name will be ShapeOS me thinks | 03:33 |
enfact | until we can find a zulu word that works :) | 03:33 |
enfact | and then put a uppercase K in it at some clever place | 03:34 |
Riddell | god no! | 03:35 |
enfact | Kidding | 03:35 |
enfact | :) | 03:35 |
enfact | that horrible technique spread like Kancer | 03:36 |
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jjesse | hmm on dapper w/ 3.5.1 everytime i open up adept updater and click on fetch updates the window closes | 03:53 |
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jjesse | i don't usually use adept either, but trying to so i can write docs on it :) | 03:57 |
Tm_T | buggy systemsettings, still | 03:57 |
Tm_T | haha | 03:58 |
Tm_T | Riddell: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/systemsettings_1.png | 03:59 |
Tm_T | and when I clicked "show all" window got resized, that's all | 03:59 |
Riddell | hmm | 03:59 |
Tm_T | so now, if I like to change mouse settings ofr example, I have to restart it | 04:00 |
jsgotangco | what's the repo for 3.5.1? | 04:02 |
jjesse | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ | 04:03 |
Tm_T | and ./ | 04:03 |
Riddell | jjesse: breezy or dapper? | 04:03 |
jsgotangco | okay the docteam svn is still big really | 04:03 |
jjesse | the problem with adept? | 04:04 |
jjesse | dapper running 3.5.1 | 04:04 |
jsgotangco | i always find the problem with adept not opening the first time, but runs fine the 2nd time it is opened | 04:04 |
jjesse | everytime i try to open up adept-updater and click on fetch-updates the program disappears | 04:05 |
jsgotangco | yeah | 04:05 |
jsgotangco | but try it the 2nd time, it opens up | 04:05 |
jjesse | adpet is performating just like you said jsgotangco but adept-updater opens fine, just doesn't fetch updates | 04:06 |
jsgotangco | its proably kdesu not working nicely | 04:06 |
jsgotangco | adept-updater works fine with me on 3.5.0 though | 04:07 |
jsgotangco | oh wait | 04:07 |
jsgotangco | its borked too | 04:07 |
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jsgotangco | ok should i test 3.5.1? | 04:13 |
Riddell | jjesse: please do | 04:14 |
Riddell | jsgotangco: rather | 04:14 |
jjesse | grin already | 04:14 |
jsgotangco | Riddell: i just add that url in sources.list right? | 04:14 |
jjesse | dapper release will 3.5 or 3.5.1? | 04:14 |
jsgotangco | we can do 3.5.1 i guess if it passes the acid test | 04:15 |
jjesse | make sure it is http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ .// | 04:15 |
Riddell | jjesse: that's yet to be decided | 04:15 |
jsgotangco | with .// at the end? | 04:15 |
Riddell | ./ on the end | 04:15 |
jsgotangco | Riddell: would a KDE toolchain be more advisable to do kubuntu docs? | 04:16 |
nlindblad | hello | 04:16 |
Riddell | jsgotangco: we use the kde docs tools for kubuntu docs | 04:16 |
jsgotangco | Riddell: honestly, i'd like to use that, but need to read up | 04:18 |
hunger | jsgotangco: What is the acid test kde351 needs to pass? | 04:18 |
jjesse | ok i'm out for a bit, time to give blood | 04:18 |
hunger | jsgotangco: I am using it and see less crashes than with what is in dapper. | 04:18 |
jsgotangco | ahhh | 04:19 |
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enfact | how much of the power of qt do you loose when you use python instead of C++ any, and is is significant? | 04:31 |
enfact | is it* | 04:31 |
Riddell | enfact: it uses slightly more memory | 04:34 |
Riddell | enfact: and it means you can't use third party libraries as much | 04:34 |
Riddell | but basicly none | 04:34 |
Riddell | except I don't think there's any qt4 python bindings yet | 04:34 |
enfact | eek | 04:35 |
enfact | c++ it is | 04:35 |
enfact | there's not much help for GUI designers, i might need to learn how to code, trials before this have failed miseralby though | 04:36 |
enfact | dont have the head for coding | 04:36 |
Riddell | use qtdesigner | 04:36 |
enfact | yeah thats the idea | 04:36 |
nlindblad | 32GiB | 04:38 |
sebas | enfact: It largely depends on your apps. | 04:38 |
sebas | Most apps are waiting for userinput or i/o most of the time, in that case it's hardly noticeable. | 04:38 |
sebas | You should not do heavy computing work in python, though. | 04:39 |
enfact | im creating a whole new GUI that ive designed | 04:39 |
enfact | ha | 04:39 |
sebas | And the bindings for Qt4 are in the works, beta now. | 04:39 |
enfact | ill prob end up using c++ or begging somebody who can code to help out | 04:39 |
enfact | i will need whatever it is to be able to work with this new XEGL/XGL opengl stuff | 04:39 |
enfact | thats another story, will have to talk to zack about | 04:41 |
Riddell | adept-updater working good here | 04:43 |
Riddell | it was acting strange because I had adept open at the same time though | 04:43 |
freeflying_ | Riddell: I can hardly use "sudo" run any program in kde-3.5.1 | 04:44 |
Riddell | freeflying_: does kdesu work? | 04:47 |
enfact | yeah kdesu command works for most | 04:47 |
freeflying_ | Riddell: have not try kdesu | 04:47 |
Riddell | sealne: do you know if the ruby bindings are working in dapper? | 04:50 |
sealne | sorry haven't had a chance to check i have a sarge disk in my dev machine at the moment i'll try to swap it for dapper latter today and let you know | 04:53 |
sealne | in fact i might aswell just now | 04:53 |
sealne | ouch burny hard disks | 04:56 |
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Riddell | example hello world ruby program seems to work | 05:00 |
Riddell | can't get clickspotter doing anything though http://clickspotter.ath.cx/files/Download.html | 05:01 |
sealne | did you run ClickSpotter-0.1.1/lib/clickspotter.rb ? | 05:08 |
sealne | seems to do stuff (on breezy waiting for dapper to update) but i don't have a log to analyze | 05:09 |
Riddell | stuff as in show anything? | 05:09 |
sealne | yeah | 05:09 |
Riddell | just sits there in the mainloop in dapper, kde 3.5.1 | 05:10 |
sealne | well prompt you for a logfile anyway and show the world in the background but as i say this is still breezy lots of dapper updates | 05:10 |
Riddell | doesn't show anything | 05:10 |
sealne | i'll try in a few min | 05:11 |
sealne | did you install it or just run from tarball? | 05:11 |
Riddell | both | 05:11 |
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sealne | ewww "to execute a command as root..." | 05:18 |
Riddell | hmm? | 05:18 |
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jsgotangco | seems pretty stable | 05:21 |
Riddell | jjesse: groovy | 05:21 |
jsgotangco | and fast | 05:21 |
jjesse | grin Riddell must not be used to having two j's in the channel | 05:21 |
Riddell | I spent my schooldays surrounded by too many Jonathan's. that's why I use my surname as nick :) | 05:22 |
jsgotangco | Riddell: its more responsive compared to 3.5.0 and its very noticeable... | 05:22 |
sealne | interesting on dapper i don't have a "ruby" command | 05:23 |
sealne | only ruby1.8 | 05:23 |
Riddell | sealne: have to install ruby pacakge | 05:23 |
sealne | thats bad | 05:23 |
Riddell | why? | 05:24 |
sealne | i'd definitly expect that installing ruby 1.8 i'd have a file called ruby | 05:24 |
sealne | is it "QMultiInputContext::changeInputMethod(): index=0, slave=xim | 05:26 |
sealne | that is displayed when you get the blank window? | 05:26 |
Riddell | is what? | 05:26 |
sealne | sorry pasted a new line | 05:26 |
Riddell | nope, I have nothing displayed | 05:27 |
sealne | if run from konsole? | 05:27 |
Riddell | correct | 05:27 |
sealne | maybe thats just katch does that when its not working like this | 05:28 |
Riddell | pardon? | 05:28 |
sealne | different ruby prog | 05:29 |
Riddell | oooh | 05:30 |
Riddell | I had 3.5.0 kdebindings, updating to 3.5.1 means it's all working | 05:30 |
jsgotangco | Riddell: i'm not on 3.5.1 are you looking for something specific bug or just need test resuls | 05:36 |
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jsgotangco | s/not/now | 05:36 |
jsgotangco | i gotta sleep | 05:38 |
jsgotangco | brb | 05:38 |
Riddell | somewhat slow but good fun, anyone want to package clickspotter? | 05:44 |
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robotgeek | hi, is there a specifc place to file bugs for Kubuntu Dapper , or can I just file it on Malone? | 06:09 |
hunger | robotgeek: I file mine in malone. | 06:11 |
robotgeek | hunger: okay, thanks. i will do so. i need to file a few regression bugs in the kernel too | 06:12 |
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nlindblad | maybe I should find out why KDE crashes on logouts | 06:40 |
nlindblad | happens 100% of the times | 06:40 |
Tm_T | nlindblad: KDE? you mean Kicker? Kicker is NOT whole KDE ;--P | 06:41 |
nlindblad | KDE (as in some component of KDE) | 06:41 |
Tm_T | no wonder you live in sweden ;-) | 06:41 |
nlindblad | what is that suppose to mean? :D | 06:41 |
Tm_T | nlindblad: normal finnish-swedish foolishness | 06:42 |
nlindblad | right | 06:42 |
nlindblad | I'm dumb because I'm Swedish? | 06:42 |
Tm_T | yu, typical joke here, no harm meant | 06:42 |
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Tm_T | as long as I'm not whacking with axe | 06:43 |
nlindblad | good to know | 06:43 |
nlindblad | I shouldn't sit here | 06:44 |
nlindblad | I should write those damn essays | 06:44 |
Tm_T | nlindblad: aye, I have several traces for kicker crashes, don't happen here with --debug compile and without translucency | 06:44 |
nlindblad | I don't use translucency | 06:45 |
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nlindblad | nope, not activated | 06:45 |
Tm_T | nlindblad: yes, but you have to also compile kicker with --enable-debug and ooh, no crashes, no idea why so | 06:45 |
robotgeek | on what should i file a bug in this scenario, "System Settings -> Network Settings" doesn not fit in the screen? kcontrol? | 06:46 |
Tm_T | if it's in kcontrol | 06:47 |
Tm_T | but, sounds like it | 06:47 |
Tm_T | 's systemsettings thing | 06:47 |
nlindblad | Tm_T: I chose Kubuntu because I was fed up compiling | 06:47 |
nlindblad | (old Gentooist) | 06:48 |
robotgeek | hmm, thanks Tm_T | 06:48 |
Tm_T | nlindblad: hehe, I compile some stuff from svn, because I do some testing/developing or just modify for myself | 06:49 |
nlindblad | okey | 06:49 |
Tm_T | robotgeek: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/systemsettings_1.png | 06:49 |
Tm_T | nlindblad: but yeah, I would never compile whole KDE myself, if there's no _really_ good reason | 06:49 |
robotgeek | Tm_T: yeah, same thing. Network Settings button | 06:50 |
Tm_T | robotgeek: not same thing, I resized window -> what? stuff doesn't follow? and, if I press that "show all" button, only window resized back, nothing else =) | 06:51 |
robotgeek | Tm_T: i can't resize the window, the bottom part of the screen goes below the panel. i'll screenshot, one sec | 06:51 |
Tm_T | hehe | 06:52 |
Tm_T | robotgeek: move with alt+drag | 06:52 |
robotgeek | Tm_T: that works | 06:58 |
Tm_T | good | 06:59 |
Tm_T | workaround | 06:59 |
robotgeek | but now i can't see the top part, and i cannot resize at all | 06:59 |
Tm_T | you can't drag from corner? | 06:59 |
robotgeek | nope, it doesn't let me | 06:59 |
Tm_T | ooooh no | 06:59 |
Tm_T | that's bad | 06:59 |
Tm_T | robotgeek: solution? use kcontrol | 07:00 |
Tm_T | that's what I'm usinf | 07:00 |
Tm_T | g | 07:00 |
robotgeek | Tm_T: yeah, kcontrol works (not that I need it to configure my network :) ) | 07:03 |
Tm_T | hehe | 07:03 |
Tm_T | aye, systemsettings is ok as long as it works, never worked here though | 07:04 |
robotgeek | so, it's not kcontrol, i don't know what it is! | 07:04 |
Tm_T | it's "systemsettings" | 07:04 |
Tm_T | trivial name for app | 07:04 |
robotgeek | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7657 | 07:10 |
robotgeek | Tm_T: it looks like a known bug in breezy | 07:15 |
Tm_T | aye | 07:19 |
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