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Simehey, that was the wrong channel.12:07
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raphinkSime: ja, ik denk zo ook ;)01:19
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jjesseanyone having any issues w/ dapper and booting up with a USB drive attached already?03:21
jjessei get a notice that KDE Daemon has crashed and it comes up about 40 time or so and then disappears03:22
jjesseif i boot w/o it plugged in it works fine03:22
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Tm_Tgood morning crimsun, haven't seen you for awhile06:12
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Tonio_hre09:56
Tonio_hi there 09:56
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JReRiddell: have you tried Keep?01:35
RiddellJRe: nope, just about to01:38
JRek01:38
Riddellmornfall: adept working now :)01:59
mornfallaye :)02:00
RiddellTonio_: kdbus good, needs 1 more review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=161302:04
Riddell\sh, pef_aw, raphink etc :)02:04
raphinkI'llhave a look at it02:05
raphinkI uploaded konq-kim again Riddell 02:05
\shRiddell / Tonio_ : advocated02:06
Riddell\sh: that was fast!02:06
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raphinkah ok :)02:07
raphinkwell then ;)02:07
RiddellTonio_: keep package has a patch but no include simplepatch.mk in debian/rules02:12
hungerRiddell: I am running the dapper-testing debs for kde 3.5.102:12
hungerRiddell: So far they seem to crash less frequent then the 3.5.0 ones.... I'd recommend to replace those with the 3.5.1 ones.02:13
Riddellhunger: great, thanks02:13
Tonio_Riddell: let me check ;)02:13
hungerRiddell: Some of the icons look nicer, too;-)02:13
Tonio_Riddell: right, let me correct that (3 minutes)02:14
Tonio_\sh: thanks for kdbus02:14
Tm_Thu hu02:16
Tonio_Riddell: not the first time that I can see this...02:21
hungerRiddell: noatune does not work at all.02:22
Tonio_Riddell: when the patch is applied on cvs.sh, building requires automake, while it works correctly without patching....02:22
Tonio_Riddell: aware of that problem ?02:22
mornfallhunger: noatun needs arts02:22
Tonio_Riddell: I have the issue with keep actually.... it doesn't build with the patch applied....02:22
mornfallbut i don't know if that may be the problem :)02:23
Riddellhunger: noatun works here (dapper 3.5.1)02:25
RiddellTonio_: why doesn't it build?02:26
hungerRiddell: It does not even start to playback.02:26
Riddellhunger: does artsplay work?02:26
hungerRiddell: amarok works fine.02:26
RiddellJRe: how can I test keep?  do I have to wait all day for a backup?02:26
Tonio_Riddell: It tries tu make usage of automake, while it doesn't when the simplepatchsys line is commented....02:27
hungerRiddell: Yes.02:27
Tonio_Riddell: I've seen the same problem with a pair of packages (metamonitor for example)02:27
JReRiddell: you can force a backup :)02:28
Tonio_nope, not metamonitor...... let me check which one02:28
Tonio_JRe: any idea concerning that problem ????02:29
hungerRiddell: One sec... used a ogg while the file I tried with noatune was a mp302:29
Tonio_JRe: I assume this has something to do with the version of the admin/ folder maybe....02:29
JReTonio_: I have the last updated on from /branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin02:30
Tonio_JRe: sounds strange.... Can you just try to build the keep package I've done in a dapper chroot ?02:30
RiddellJRe: ok, I force a backup (and I think that should be changed to "do backup now") and it runs rdiff but no output02:30
Riddellrunning the rdiff command manually gives an error02:30
Riddellkeep should tell the user that but it doesn't02:31
RiddellFatal Error: Destination directory02:31
Riddell/home/jr/backup02:31
Riddellexists, but does not look like a rdiff-backup directory.02:31
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Tonio_JRe: Simply build as it is, then add the simplepatchsys line in rules, and you'll see it asks for automake......02:31
hungerRiddell: Looks like artsplay does not like mp3 (even though artscontrol lists it as supported).02:31
Tonio_Riddell: keep reuploaded with patchsys and an automake1.9 dep.... builds fine02:32
RiddellTonio_: cool, strange that it needs automake just for touching cvs.sh02:33
RiddellJRe: other than that keep looks great02:33
Riddellbackups work well02:34
Riddellcould do with something saying when next backup will happen02:34
Riddelland I don't know what unballesting means02:35
JReTonio_: what ?02:39
JReRiddell: it see that older backups than this current limit are deleted02:39
JRes/see/seems/02:39
JReerr s/seems/means/ :)02:40
Riddellchange that to "removal"?02:42
JReRiddell: ok02:45
JReRiddell: will do02:45
JReRiddell: I know the working of my app is terrible since I am not a native english speaker :)02:45
JRes/working/wording/02:45
RiddellJRe: it's the showing an error when the backup directory is not valid that needs fixed though, once that's done I'd love for it to go on the CD02:46
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JReRiddell: ok02:50
JReRiddell: you want that i made a patch for these modifications or a new version ?02:50
RiddellJRe: new version probably02:50
Tonio_JRe: let me know whe it is available, I will update the package02:51
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jjesseRiddell: can you make sure the correct stylesheet is applied to the quickguide?  it doesn't look as pretty as the releasenotes02:55
Riddelljjesse: yes, but probably not for a couple of weeks02:57
jjesseRiddell: ok, as long as it gets done before the release :)02:57
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JReTonio_, Riddell: ok will do that before end of week02:57
Riddellhello enfact 02:58
RiddellJRe: did you say once upon a time that you were making a floppy/usb disk formatting program?03:00
Tonio_JRe: np03:01
enfacthey Riddel03:03
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Riddellenfact: going to join us as an elite kubuntu developer?03:04
enfacti would love too, i actually have a couple guys together right now and we're thinking of doing a new distro or just starting work based on kubuntu03:04
sebasRiddell: Does launchpad have taskmanagement and events calender functionality?03:05
enfactpossibly ubuntu though because of new stuff coming out for graphics (XGL, XEGL, open gl based stuff 03:05
Riddellsebas: I think it has calendar stuff, but I've never looked at it03:05
enfactdoesnt seem like that is going in the KDE direction at all, dissapointing03:05
sebasRiddell: May I /query you?03:06
Riddellenfact: that's all X stuff, all desktop environments will get it03:06
Riddellsebas: sure03:06
sebasOK.03:06
enfactbut its all GNOME guys on it currently03:06
enfactseth nickell and some new guy novell picked up03:07
Riddellenfact: http://dot.kde.org/1126267099/03:08
Riddellexa is written by a KDE developer03:08
enfactthey're keeping lips tight about plasma03:09
enfacthavent seen anyting, have you seen the vids from seth nickell's blog?03:09
enfactwobbly windos03:09
enfacthttp://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots03:12
Riddellenfact: yes I saw that, it's almost as good as the stuff zack showed at akademy03:12
enfactthats so good to hear :)03:13
enfactthe point of all this is that i've designed an entire new GUI that we're to implement03:13
JReRiddell: yes it's true but it will only be available with KDE 403:13
JReRiddell: using the Solid backend03:13
Riddellif you go to one of aaron's talks about plasma he's not tight lipped but there's nothing definate in it yet so it's not on the website03:13
enfacttrying to find the best base for it because it is heavy on transparency & movement03:13
enfacti plan on being in boston for linuxworld03:13
enfactdont know the schedule for that though :(03:14
RiddellJRe: ah ok, so a while away yet03:16
enfactis there any source out there yet that you would consider stable enough to even hack on and try out this new GUI?03:16
Riddellenfact: qt 4 :)03:16
enfactassumed03:16
Riddell4.1 has funky SVG stuff03:16
enfactim talking about these new quartz like X over-layers03:16
enfacti will have to check out more from zack, hoping there's some kind of source to work from out yet...03:17
enfactfunky SVG as in messed up or great, actually some SVG to balance with cairo?03:19
Riddellenfact: arthur is the qt rendering engine which is equivalent to cairo03:25
Riddellenfact: the funky (i.e. good) SVG stuff in 4.1 is equivalent to rsvg or the like03:25
enfactcool03:26
Riddellenfact: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/155903:27
Riddellcould well be what you want03:27
enfactthanks much riddel03:27
enfacti look forward to being in here more to help out, im no coder, just UI usability type :)03:27
jjesseenfact: don't worry i just do documentation work so we all can find places in the kubuntu-devel team :P03:28
enfactand design03:28
enfactcool03:28
Riddell#needaname reminds me of no-name-yet.com03:32
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enfacthaha03:32
enfactwe're working on something03:32
enfacttemporary name will be ShapeOS me thinks03:33
enfactuntil we can find a zulu word that works :)03:33
enfactand then put a uppercase K in it at some clever place03:34
Riddellgod no!03:35
enfactKidding03:35
enfact:)03:35
enfactthat horrible technique spread like Kancer03:36
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jjessehmm on dapper w/ 3.5.1 everytime i open up adept updater and click on fetch updates the window closes03:53
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jjessei don't usually use adept either, but trying to so i can write docs on it :)03:57
Tm_Tbuggy systemsettings, still03:57
Tm_Thaha03:58
Tm_TRiddell: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/systemsettings_1.png03:59
Tm_Tand when I clicked "show all" window got resized, that's all03:59
Riddellhmm03:59
Tm_Tso now, if I like to change mouse settings ofr example, I have to restart it04:00
jsgotangcowhat's the repo for 3.5.1?04:02
jjessehttp://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/04:03
Tm_Tand ./04:03
Riddelljjesse: breezy or dapper?04:03
jsgotangcookay the docteam svn is still big really04:03
jjessethe problem with adept?04:04
jjessedapper running 3.5.104:04
jsgotangcoi always find the problem with adept not opening the first time, but runs fine the 2nd time it is opened04:04
jjesseeverytime i try to open up adept-updater and click on fetch-updates the program disappears04:05
jsgotangcoyeah04:05
jsgotangcobut try it the 2nd time, it opens up04:05
jjesseadpet is performating just like you said jsgotangco but adept-updater opens fine, just doesn't fetch updates04:06
jsgotangcoits proably kdesu not working nicely04:06
jsgotangcoadept-updater works fine with me on 3.5.0 though04:07
jsgotangcooh wait04:07
jsgotangcoits borked too04:07
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jsgotangcook should i test 3.5.1?04:13
Riddelljjesse: please do04:14
Riddelljsgotangco: rather04:14
jjessegrin already04:14
jsgotangcoRiddell: i just add that url in sources.list right?04:14
jjessedapper release will 3.5 or 3.5.1?04:14
jsgotangcowe can do 3.5.1 i guess if it passes the acid test04:15
jjessemake sure it is http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ .//04:15
Riddelljjesse: that's yet to be decided04:15
jsgotangcowith .// at the end?04:15
Riddell./  on the end04:15
jsgotangcoRiddell: would a KDE toolchain be more advisable to do kubuntu docs?04:16
nlindbladhello04:16
Riddelljsgotangco: we use the kde docs tools for kubuntu docs04:16
jsgotangcoRiddell: honestly, i'd like to use that, but need to read up 04:18
hungerjsgotangco: What is the acid test kde351 needs to pass?04:18
jjesseok i'm out for a bit, time to give blood04:18
hungerjsgotangco: I am using it and see less crashes than with what is in dapper.04:18
jsgotangcoahhh04:19
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enfacthow much of the power of qt do you loose when you use python instead of C++ any, and is is significant?04:31
enfactis it*04:31
Riddellenfact: it uses slightly more memory04:34
Riddellenfact: and it means you can't use third party libraries as much04:34
Riddellbut basicly none04:34
Riddellexcept I don't think there's any qt4 python bindings yet04:34
enfacteek04:35
enfactc++ it is04:35
enfactthere's not much help for GUI designers, i might need to learn how to code, trials before this have failed miseralby though04:36
enfactdont have the head for coding04:36
Riddelluse qtdesigner04:36
enfactyeah thats the idea04:36
nlindblad32GiB04:38
sebasenfact: It largely depends on your apps.04:38
sebasMost apps are waiting for userinput or i/o most of the time, in that case it's hardly noticeable.04:38
sebasYou should not do heavy computing work in python, though.04:39
enfactim creating a whole new GUI that ive designed04:39
enfactha04:39
sebasAnd the bindings for Qt4 are in the works, beta now.04:39
enfactill prob end up using c++ or begging somebody who can code to help out04:39
enfacti will need whatever it is to be able to work with this new XEGL/XGL opengl stuff04:39
enfactthats another story, will have to talk to zack about04:41
Riddelladept-updater working good here04:43
Riddellit was acting strange because I had adept open at the same time though04:43
freeflying_Riddell: I can hardly use "sudo" run any program in kde-3.5.104:44
Riddellfreeflying_: does kdesu work?04:47
enfactyeah kdesu command works for most04:47
freeflying_Riddell: have not try kdesu 04:47
Riddellsealne: do you know if the ruby bindings are working in dapper?04:50
sealnesorry haven't had a chance to check i have a sarge disk in my dev machine at the moment i'll try to swap it for dapper latter today and let you know04:53
sealnein fact i might aswell just now04:53
sealneouch burny hard disks04:56
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Riddellexample hello world ruby program seems to work05:00
Riddellcan't get clickspotter doing anything though http://clickspotter.ath.cx/files/Download.html05:01
sealnedid you run ClickSpotter-0.1.1/lib/clickspotter.rb ?05:08
sealneseems to do stuff (on breezy waiting for dapper to update) but i don't have a log to analyze05:09
Riddellstuff as in show anything?05:09
sealneyeah05:09
Riddelljust sits there in the mainloop in dapper, kde 3.5.105:10
sealnewell prompt you for a logfile anyway and show the world in the background but as i say this is still breezy lots of dapper updates05:10
Riddelldoesn't show anything05:10
sealnei'll try in a few min05:11
sealnedid you install it or just run from tarball?05:11
Riddellboth05:11
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sealneewww "to execute a command as root..."05:18
Riddellhmm?05:18
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jsgotangcoseems pretty stable05:21
Riddelljjesse: groovy05:21
jsgotangcoand fast05:21
jjessegrin Riddell must not be used to having two j's in the channel05:21
RiddellI spent my schooldays surrounded by too many Jonathan's.  that's why I use my surname as nick :)05:22
jsgotangcoRiddell: its more responsive compared to 3.5.0 and its very noticeable...05:22
sealneinteresting on dapper i don't have a "ruby" command05:23
sealneonly ruby1.805:23
Riddellsealne: have to install ruby pacakge05:23
sealnethats bad05:23
Riddellwhy?05:24
sealnei'd definitly expect that installing ruby 1.8 i'd have a file called ruby05:24
sealneis it "QMultiInputContext::changeInputMethod(): index=0, slave=xim05:26
sealnethat is displayed when you get the blank window?05:26
Riddellis what?05:26
sealnesorry pasted a new line05:26
Riddellnope, I have nothing displayed05:27
sealneif run from konsole?05:27
Riddellcorrect05:27
sealnemaybe thats just katch does that when its not working like this05:28
Riddellpardon?05:28
sealnedifferent ruby prog05:29
Riddelloooh05:30
RiddellI had 3.5.0 kdebindings, updating to 3.5.1 means it's all working05:30
jsgotangcoRiddell: i'm not on 3.5.1 are you looking for something specific bug or just need test resuls05:36
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jsgotangcos/not/now05:36
jsgotangcoi gotta sleep05:38
jsgotangcobrb05:38
Riddellsomewhat slow but good fun, anyone want to package clickspotter?05:44
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robotgeekhi, is there a specifc place to file bugs for Kubuntu Dapper , or can I just file it on Malone?06:09
hungerrobotgeek: I file mine in malone.06:11
robotgeekhunger: okay, thanks. i will do so. i need to file a few regression bugs in the kernel too06:12
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nlindbladmaybe I should find out why KDE crashes on logouts06:40
nlindbladhappens 100% of the times06:40
Tm_Tnlindblad: KDE? you mean Kicker? Kicker is NOT whole KDE ;--P06:41
nlindbladKDE (as in some component of KDE)06:41
Tm_Tno wonder you live in sweden ;-)06:41
nlindbladwhat is that suppose to mean? :D06:41
Tm_Tnlindblad: normal finnish-swedish foolishness06:42
nlindbladright06:42
nlindbladI'm dumb because I'm Swedish?06:42
Tm_Tyu, typical joke here, no harm meant06:42
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Tm_Tas long as I'm not whacking with axe06:43
nlindbladgood to know06:43
nlindbladI shouldn't sit here06:44
nlindbladI should write those damn essays06:44
Tm_Tnlindblad: aye, I have several traces for kicker crashes, don't happen here with --debug compile and without translucency06:44
nlindbladI don't use translucency06:45
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nlindbladnope, not activated06:45
Tm_Tnlindblad: yes, but you have to also compile kicker with --enable-debug and ooh, no crashes, no idea why so06:45
robotgeekon what should i file a bug in this scenario, "System Settings -> Network Settings" doesn not fit in the screen? kcontrol?06:46
Tm_Tif it's in kcontrol06:47
Tm_Tbut, sounds like it06:47
Tm_T's systemsettings thing06:47
nlindbladTm_T: I chose Kubuntu because I was fed up compiling06:47
nlindblad(old Gentooist)06:48
robotgeekhmm, thanks Tm_T 06:48
Tm_Tnlindblad: hehe, I compile some stuff from svn, because I do some testing/developing or just modify for myself06:49
nlindbladokey06:49
Tm_Trobotgeek: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/systemsettings_1.png06:49
Tm_Tnlindblad: but yeah, I would never compile whole KDE myself, if there's no _really_ good reason06:49
robotgeekTm_T: yeah, same thing. Network Settings button06:50
Tm_Trobotgeek: not same thing, I resized window -> what? stuff doesn't follow? and, if I press that "show all" button, only window resized back, nothing else =)06:51
robotgeekTm_T: i can't resize the window, the bottom part of the screen goes below the panel. i'll screenshot, one sec06:51
Tm_Thehe06:52
Tm_Trobotgeek: move with alt+drag06:52
robotgeekTm_T: that works06:58
Tm_Tgood06:59
Tm_Tworkaround06:59
robotgeekbut now i can't see the top part, and i cannot resize at all06:59
Tm_Tyou can't drag from corner?06:59
robotgeeknope, it doesn't let me06:59
Tm_Tooooh no06:59
Tm_Tthat's bad06:59
Tm_Trobotgeek: solution? use kcontrol07:00
Tm_Tthat's what I'm usinf07:00
Tm_Tg07:00
robotgeekTm_T: yeah, kcontrol works (not that I need it to configure my network :) )07:03
Tm_Thehe07:03
Tm_Taye, systemsettings is ok as long as it works, never worked here though07:04
robotgeekso, it's not kcontrol, i don't know what it is!07:04
Tm_Tit's "systemsettings"07:04
Tm_Ttrivial name for app07:04
robotgeekhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/765707:10
robotgeekTm_T: it looks like a known bug in breezy07:15
Tm_Taye07:19
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