[12:07] <Sime> hey, that was the wrong channel.
[01:19] <raphink> Sime: ja, ik denk zo ook ;)
[03:21] <jjesse> anyone having any issues w/ dapper and booting up with a USB drive attached already?
[03:22] <jjesse> i get a notice that KDE Daemon has crashed and it comes up about 40 time or so and then disappears
[03:22] <jjesse> if i boot w/o it plugged in it works fine
[06:12] <Tm_T> good morning crimsun, haven't seen you for awhile
[09:56] <Tonio_> hre
[09:56] <Tonio_> hi there 
[01:35] <JRe> Riddell: have you tried Keep?
[01:38] <Riddell> JRe: nope, just about to
[01:38] <JRe> k
[01:59] <Riddell> mornfall: adept working now :)
[02:00] <mornfall> aye :)
[02:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdbus good, needs 1 more review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1613
[02:04] <Riddell> \sh, pef_aw, raphink etc :)
[02:05] <raphink> I'llhave a look at it
[02:05] <raphink> I uploaded konq-kim again Riddell 
[02:06] <\sh> Riddell / Tonio_ : advocated
[02:06] <Riddell> \sh: that was fast!
[02:07] <raphink> ah ok :)
[02:07] <raphink> well then ;)
[02:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: keep package has a patch but no include simplepatch.mk in debian/rules
[02:12] <hunger> Riddell: I am running the dapper-testing debs for kde 3.5.1
[02:13] <hunger> Riddell: So far they seem to crash less frequent then the 3.5.0 ones.... I'd recommend to replace those with the 3.5.1 ones.
[02:13] <Riddell> hunger: great, thanks
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me check ;)
[02:13] <hunger> Riddell: Some of the icons look nicer, too;-)
[02:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: right, let me correct that (3 minutes)
[02:14] <Tonio_> \sh: thanks for kdbus
[02:16] <Tm_T> hu hu
[02:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: not the first time that I can see this...
[02:22] <hunger> Riddell: noatune does not work at all.
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: when the patch is applied on cvs.sh, building requires automake, while it works correctly without patching....
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: aware of that problem ?
[02:22] <mornfall> hunger: noatun needs arts
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the issue with keep actually.... it doesn't build with the patch applied....
[02:23] <mornfall> but i don't know if that may be the problem :)
[02:25] <Riddell> hunger: noatun works here (dapper 3.5.1)
[02:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: why doesn't it build?
[02:26] <hunger> Riddell: It does not even start to playback.
[02:26] <Riddell> hunger: does artsplay work?
[02:26] <hunger> Riddell: amarok works fine.
[02:26] <Riddell> JRe: how can I test keep?  do I have to wait all day for a backup?
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: It tries tu make usage of automake, while it doesn't when the simplepatchsys line is commented....
[02:27] <hunger> Riddell: Yes.
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've seen the same problem with a pair of packages (metamonitor for example)
[02:28] <JRe> Riddell: you can force a backup :)
[02:28] <Tonio_> nope, not metamonitor...... let me check which one
[02:29] <Tonio_> JRe: any idea concerning that problem ????
[02:29] <hunger> Riddell: One sec... used a ogg while the file I tried with noatune was a mp3
[02:29] <Tonio_> JRe: I assume this has something to do with the version of the admin/ folder maybe....
[02:30] <JRe> Tonio_: I have the last updated on from /branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin
[02:30] <Tonio_> JRe: sounds strange.... Can you just try to build the keep package I've done in a dapper chroot ?
[02:30] <Riddell> JRe: ok, I force a backup (and I think that should be changed to "do backup now") and it runs rdiff but no output
[02:30] <Riddell> running the rdiff command manually gives an error
[02:31] <Riddell> keep should tell the user that but it doesn't
[02:31] <Riddell> Fatal Error: Destination directory
[02:31] <Riddell> /home/jr/backup
[02:31] <Riddell> exists, but does not look like a rdiff-backup directory.
[02:31] <Tonio_> JRe: Simply build as it is, then add the simplepatchsys line in rules, and you'll see it asks for automake......
[02:31] <hunger> Riddell: Looks like artsplay does not like mp3 (even though artscontrol lists it as supported).
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: keep reuploaded with patchsys and an automake1.9 dep.... builds fine
[02:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool, strange that it needs automake just for touching cvs.sh
[02:33] <Riddell> JRe: other than that keep looks great
[02:34] <Riddell> backups work well
[02:34] <Riddell> could do with something saying when next backup will happen
[02:35] <Riddell> and I don't know what unballesting means
[02:39] <JRe> Tonio_: what ?
[02:39] <JRe> Riddell: it see that older backups than this current limit are deleted
[02:39] <JRe> s/see/seems/
[02:40] <JRe> err s/seems/means/ :)
[02:42] <Riddell> change that to "removal"?
[02:45] <JRe> Riddell: ok
[02:45] <JRe> Riddell: will do
[02:45] <JRe> Riddell: I know the working of my app is terrible since I am not a native english speaker :)
[02:45] <JRe> s/working/wording/
[02:46] <Riddell> JRe: it's the showing an error when the backup directory is not valid that needs fixed though, once that's done I'd love for it to go on the CD
[02:50] <JRe> Riddell: ok
[02:50] <JRe> Riddell: you want that i made a patch for these modifications or a new version ?
[02:50] <Riddell> JRe: new version probably
[02:51] <Tonio_> JRe: let me know whe it is available, I will update the package
[02:55] <jjesse> Riddell: can you make sure the correct stylesheet is applied to the quickguide?  it doesn't look as pretty as the releasenotes
[02:57] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, but probably not for a couple of weeks
[02:57] <jjesse> Riddell: ok, as long as it gets done before the release :)
[02:57] <JRe> Tonio_, Riddell: ok will do that before end of week
[02:58] <Riddell> hello enfact 
[03:00] <Riddell> JRe: did you say once upon a time that you were making a floppy/usb disk formatting program?
[03:01] <Tonio_> JRe: np
[03:03] <enfact> hey Riddel
[03:04] <Riddell> enfact: going to join us as an elite kubuntu developer?
[03:04] <enfact> i would love too, i actually have a couple guys together right now and we're thinking of doing a new distro or just starting work based on kubuntu
[03:05] <sebas> Riddell: Does launchpad have taskmanagement and events calender functionality?
[03:05] <enfact> possibly ubuntu though because of new stuff coming out for graphics (XGL, XEGL, open gl based stuff 
[03:05] <Riddell> sebas: I think it has calendar stuff, but I've never looked at it
[03:05] <enfact> doesnt seem like that is going in the KDE direction at all, dissapointing
[03:06] <sebas> Riddell: May I /query you?
[03:06] <Riddell> enfact: that's all X stuff, all desktop environments will get it
[03:06] <Riddell> sebas: sure
[03:06] <sebas> OK.
[03:06] <enfact> but its all GNOME guys on it currently
[03:07] <enfact> seth nickell and some new guy novell picked up
[03:08] <Riddell> enfact: http://dot.kde.org/1126267099/
[03:08] <Riddell> exa is written by a KDE developer
[03:09] <enfact> they're keeping lips tight about plasma
[03:09] <enfact> havent seen anyting, have you seen the vids from seth nickell's blog?
[03:09] <enfact> wobbly windos
[03:12] <enfact> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[03:12] <Riddell> enfact: yes I saw that, it's almost as good as the stuff zack showed at akademy
[03:13] <enfact> thats so good to hear :)
[03:13] <enfact> the point of all this is that i've designed an entire new GUI that we're to implement
[03:13] <JRe> Riddell: yes it's true but it will only be available with KDE 4
[03:13] <JRe> Riddell: using the Solid backend
[03:13] <Riddell> if you go to one of aaron's talks about plasma he's not tight lipped but there's nothing definate in it yet so it's not on the website
[03:13] <enfact> trying to find the best base for it because it is heavy on transparency & movement
[03:13] <enfact> i plan on being in boston for linuxworld
[03:14] <enfact> dont know the schedule for that though :(
[03:16] <Riddell> JRe: ah ok, so a while away yet
[03:16] <enfact> is there any source out there yet that you would consider stable enough to even hack on and try out this new GUI?
[03:16] <Riddell> enfact: qt 4 :)
[03:16] <enfact> assumed
[03:16] <Riddell> 4.1 has funky SVG stuff
[03:16] <enfact> im talking about these new quartz like X over-layers
[03:17] <enfact> i will have to check out more from zack, hoping there's some kind of source to work from out yet...
[03:19] <enfact> funky SVG as in messed up or great, actually some SVG to balance with cairo?
[03:25] <Riddell> enfact: arthur is the qt rendering engine which is equivalent to cairo
[03:25] <Riddell> enfact: the funky (i.e. good) SVG stuff in 4.1 is equivalent to rsvg or the like
[03:26] <enfact> cool
[03:27] <Riddell> enfact: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1559
[03:27] <Riddell> could well be what you want
[03:27] <enfact> thanks much riddel
[03:27] <enfact> i look forward to being in here more to help out, im no coder, just UI usability type :)
[03:28] <jjesse> enfact: don't worry i just do documentation work so we all can find places in the kubuntu-devel team :P
[03:28] <enfact> and design
[03:28] <enfact> cool
[03:32] <Riddell> #needaname reminds me of no-name-yet.com
[03:32] <enfact> haha
[03:32] <enfact> we're working on something
[03:33] <enfact> temporary name will be ShapeOS me thinks
[03:33] <enfact> until we can find a zulu word that works :)
[03:34] <enfact> and then put a uppercase K in it at some clever place
[03:35] <Riddell> god no!
[03:35] <enfact> Kidding
[03:35] <enfact> :)
[03:36] <enfact> that horrible technique spread like Kancer
[03:53] <jjesse> hmm on dapper w/ 3.5.1 everytime i open up adept updater and click on fetch updates the window closes
[03:57] <jjesse> i don't usually use adept either, but trying to so i can write docs on it :)
[03:57] <Tm_T> buggy systemsettings, still
[03:58] <Tm_T> haha
[03:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/systemsettings_1.png
[03:59] <Tm_T> and when I clicked "show all" window got resized, that's all
[03:59] <Riddell> hmm
[04:00] <Tm_T> so now, if I like to change mouse settings ofr example, I have to restart it
[04:02] <jsgotangco> what's the repo for 3.5.1?
[04:03] <jjesse> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/
[04:03] <Tm_T> and ./
[04:03] <Riddell> jjesse: breezy or dapper?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> okay the docteam svn is still big really
[04:04] <jjesse> the problem with adept?
[04:04] <jjesse> dapper running 3.5.1
[04:04] <jsgotangco> i always find the problem with adept not opening the first time, but runs fine the 2nd time it is opened
[04:05] <jjesse> everytime i try to open up adept-updater and click on fetch-updates the program disappears
[04:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:05] <jsgotangco> but try it the 2nd time, it opens up
[04:06] <jjesse> adpet is performating just like you said jsgotangco but adept-updater opens fine, just doesn't fetch updates
[04:06] <jsgotangco> its proably kdesu not working nicely
[04:07] <jsgotangco> adept-updater works fine with me on 3.5.0 though
[04:07] <jsgotangco> oh wait
[04:07] <jsgotangco> its borked too
[04:13] <jsgotangco> ok should i test 3.5.1?
[04:14] <Riddell> jjesse: please do
[04:14] <Riddell> jsgotangco: rather
[04:14] <jjesse> grin already
[04:14] <jsgotangco> Riddell: i just add that url in sources.list right?
[04:14] <jjesse> dapper release will 3.5 or 3.5.1?
[04:15] <jsgotangco> we can do 3.5.1 i guess if it passes the acid test
[04:15] <jjesse> make sure it is http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ .//
[04:15] <Riddell> jjesse: that's yet to be decided
[04:15] <jsgotangco> with .// at the end?
[04:15] <Riddell> ./  on the end
[04:16] <jsgotangco> Riddell: would a KDE toolchain be more advisable to do kubuntu docs?
[04:16] <nlindblad> hello
[04:16] <Riddell> jsgotangco: we use the kde docs tools for kubuntu docs
[04:18] <jsgotangco> Riddell: honestly, i'd like to use that, but need to read up 
[04:18] <hunger> jsgotangco: What is the acid test kde351 needs to pass?
[04:18] <jjesse> ok i'm out for a bit, time to give blood
[04:18] <hunger> jsgotangco: I am using it and see less crashes than with what is in dapper.
[04:19] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:31] <enfact> how much of the power of qt do you loose when you use python instead of C++ any, and is is significant?
[04:31] <enfact> is it*
[04:34] <Riddell> enfact: it uses slightly more memory
[04:34] <Riddell> enfact: and it means you can't use third party libraries as much
[04:34] <Riddell> but basicly none
[04:34] <Riddell> except I don't think there's any qt4 python bindings yet
[04:35] <enfact> eek
[04:35] <enfact> c++ it is
[04:36] <enfact> there's not much help for GUI designers, i might need to learn how to code, trials before this have failed miseralby though
[04:36] <enfact> dont have the head for coding
[04:36] <Riddell> use qtdesigner
[04:36] <enfact> yeah thats the idea
[04:38] <nlindblad> 32GiB
[04:38] <sebas> enfact: It largely depends on your apps.
[04:38] <sebas> Most apps are waiting for userinput or i/o most of the time, in that case it's hardly noticeable.
[04:39] <sebas> You should not do heavy computing work in python, though.
[04:39] <enfact> im creating a whole new GUI that ive designed
[04:39] <enfact> ha
[04:39] <sebas> And the bindings for Qt4 are in the works, beta now.
[04:39] <enfact> ill prob end up using c++ or begging somebody who can code to help out
[04:39] <enfact> i will need whatever it is to be able to work with this new XEGL/XGL opengl stuff
[04:41] <enfact> thats another story, will have to talk to zack about
[04:43] <Riddell> adept-updater working good here
[04:43] <Riddell> it was acting strange because I had adept open at the same time though
[04:44] <freeflying_> Riddell: I can hardly use "sudo" run any program in kde-3.5.1
[04:47] <Riddell> freeflying_: does kdesu work?
[04:47] <enfact> yeah kdesu command works for most
[04:47] <freeflying_> Riddell: have not try kdesu 
[04:50] <Riddell> sealne: do you know if the ruby bindings are working in dapper?
[04:53] <sealne> sorry haven't had a chance to check i have a sarge disk in my dev machine at the moment i'll try to swap it for dapper latter today and let you know
[04:53] <sealne> in fact i might aswell just now
[04:56] <sealne> ouch burny hard disks
[05:00] <Riddell> example hello world ruby program seems to work
[05:01] <Riddell> can't get clickspotter doing anything though http://clickspotter.ath.cx/files/Download.html
[05:08] <sealne> did you run ClickSpotter-0.1.1/lib/clickspotter.rb ?
[05:09] <sealne> seems to do stuff (on breezy waiting for dapper to update) but i don't have a log to analyze
[05:09] <Riddell> stuff as in show anything?
[05:09] <sealne> yeah
[05:10] <Riddell> just sits there in the mainloop in dapper, kde 3.5.1
[05:10] <sealne> well prompt you for a logfile anyway and show the world in the background but as i say this is still breezy lots of dapper updates
[05:10] <Riddell> doesn't show anything
[05:11] <sealne> i'll try in a few min
[05:11] <sealne> did you install it or just run from tarball?
[05:11] <Riddell> both
[05:18] <sealne> ewww "to execute a command as root..."
[05:18] <Riddell> hmm?
[05:21] <jsgotangco> seems pretty stable
[05:21] <Riddell> jjesse: groovy
[05:21] <jsgotangco> and fast
[05:21] <jjesse> grin Riddell must not be used to having two j's in the channel
[05:22] <Riddell> I spent my schooldays surrounded by too many Jonathan's.  that's why I use my surname as nick :)
[05:22] <jsgotangco> Riddell: its more responsive compared to 3.5.0 and its very noticeable...
[05:23] <sealne> interesting on dapper i don't have a "ruby" command
[05:23] <sealne> only ruby1.8
[05:23] <Riddell> sealne: have to install ruby pacakge
[05:23] <sealne> thats bad
[05:24] <Riddell> why?
[05:24] <sealne> i'd definitly expect that installing ruby 1.8 i'd have a file called ruby
[05:26] <sealne> is it "QMultiInputContext::changeInputMethod(): index=0, slave=xim
[05:26] <sealne> that is displayed when you get the blank window?
[05:26] <Riddell> is what?
[05:26] <sealne> sorry pasted a new line
[05:27] <Riddell> nope, I have nothing displayed
[05:27] <sealne> if run from konsole?
[05:27] <Riddell> correct
[05:28] <sealne> maybe thats just katch does that when its not working like this
[05:28] <Riddell> pardon?
[05:29] <sealne> different ruby prog
[05:30] <Riddell> oooh
[05:30] <Riddell> I had 3.5.0 kdebindings, updating to 3.5.1 means it's all working
[05:36] <jsgotangco> Riddell: i'm not on 3.5.1 are you looking for something specific bug or just need test resuls
[05:36] <jsgotangco> s/not/now
[05:38] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep
[05:38] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:44] <Riddell> somewhat slow but good fun, anyone want to package clickspotter?
[06:09] <robotgeek> hi, is there a specifc place to file bugs for Kubuntu Dapper , or can I just file it on Malone?
[06:11] <hunger> robotgeek: I file mine in malone.
[06:12] <robotgeek> hunger: okay, thanks. i will do so. i need to file a few regression bugs in the kernel too
[06:40] <nlindblad> maybe I should find out why KDE crashes on logouts
[06:40] <nlindblad> happens 100% of the times
[06:41] <Tm_T> nlindblad: KDE? you mean Kicker? Kicker is NOT whole KDE ;--P
[06:41] <nlindblad> KDE (as in some component of KDE)
[06:41] <Tm_T> no wonder you live in sweden ;-)
[06:41] <nlindblad> what is that suppose to mean? :D
[06:42] <Tm_T> nlindblad: normal finnish-swedish foolishness
[06:42] <nlindblad> right
[06:42] <nlindblad> I'm dumb because I'm Swedish?
[06:42] <Tm_T> yu, typical joke here, no harm meant
[06:43] <Tm_T> as long as I'm not whacking with axe
[06:43] <nlindblad> good to know
[06:44] <nlindblad> I shouldn't sit here
[06:44] <nlindblad> I should write those damn essays
[06:44] <Tm_T> nlindblad: aye, I have several traces for kicker crashes, don't happen here with --debug compile and without translucency
[06:45] <nlindblad> I don't use translucency
[06:45] <nlindblad> nope, not activated
[06:45] <Tm_T> nlindblad: yes, but you have to also compile kicker with --enable-debug and ooh, no crashes, no idea why so
[06:46] <robotgeek> on what should i file a bug in this scenario, "System Settings -> Network Settings" doesn not fit in the screen? kcontrol?
[06:47] <Tm_T> if it's in kcontrol
[06:47] <Tm_T> but, sounds like it
[06:47] <Tm_T> 's systemsettings thing
[06:47] <nlindblad> Tm_T: I chose Kubuntu because I was fed up compiling
[06:48] <nlindblad> (old Gentooist)
[06:48] <robotgeek> hmm, thanks Tm_T 
[06:49] <Tm_T> nlindblad: hehe, I compile some stuff from svn, because I do some testing/developing or just modify for myself
[06:49] <nlindblad> okey
[06:49] <Tm_T> robotgeek: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/systemsettings_1.png
[06:49] <Tm_T> nlindblad: but yeah, I would never compile whole KDE myself, if there's no _really_ good reason
[06:50] <robotgeek> Tm_T: yeah, same thing. Network Settings button
[06:51] <Tm_T> robotgeek: not same thing, I resized window -> what? stuff doesn't follow? and, if I press that "show all" button, only window resized back, nothing else =)
[06:51] <robotgeek> Tm_T: i can't resize the window, the bottom part of the screen goes below the panel. i'll screenshot, one sec
[06:52] <Tm_T> hehe
[06:52] <Tm_T> robotgeek: move with alt+drag
[06:58] <robotgeek> Tm_T: that works
[06:59] <Tm_T> good
[06:59] <Tm_T> workaround
[06:59] <robotgeek> but now i can't see the top part, and i cannot resize at all
[06:59] <Tm_T> you can't drag from corner?
[06:59] <robotgeek> nope, it doesn't let me
[06:59] <Tm_T> ooooh no
[06:59] <Tm_T> that's bad
[07:00] <Tm_T> robotgeek: solution? use kcontrol
[07:00] <Tm_T> that's what I'm usinf
[07:00] <Tm_T> g
[07:03] <robotgeek> Tm_T: yeah, kcontrol works (not that I need it to configure my network :) )
[07:03] <Tm_T> hehe
[07:04] <Tm_T> aye, systemsettings is ok as long as it works, never worked here though
[07:04] <robotgeek> so, it's not kcontrol, i don't know what it is!
[07:04] <Tm_T> it's "systemsettings"
[07:04] <Tm_T> trivial name for app
[07:10] <robotgeek> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7657
[07:15] <robotgeek> Tm_T: it looks like a known bug in breezy
[07:19] <Tm_T> aye