[12:07] hey, that was the wrong channel. === je4d_ [n=jeff@peridot.caffeinated.me.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] Sime: ja, ik denk zo ook ;) === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.109] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel === spstarr_home [n=spstarr@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cyberserver [n=joao@bl6-25-32.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [i=user@69-87-141-132.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] anyone having any issues w/ dapper and booting up with a USB drive attached already? [03:22] i get a notice that KDE Daemon has crashed and it comes up about 40 time or so and then disappears [03:22] if i boot w/o it plugged in it works fine === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [i=user@69-87-141-132.async.iserv.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:12] good morning crimsun, haven't seen you for awhile === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-11-87.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:56] hre [09:56] hi there === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A61950.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tobias___ is now known as hunger === Huahua [n=hua@222.50.183.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@217.205.109.249] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz_ [n=mdz@217.205.109.249] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cyberserver [n=joao@bl6-25-32.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === mdz_ is now known as mdz === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A64223.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas_ [n=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ is now known as hunger === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:35] Riddell: have you tried Keep? [01:38] JRe: nope, just about to [01:38] k [01:59] mornfall: adept working now :) [02:00] aye :) [02:04] Tonio_: kdbus good, needs 1 more review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1613 [02:04] \sh, pef_aw, raphink etc :) [02:05] I'llhave a look at it [02:05] I uploaded konq-kim again Riddell [02:06] <\sh> Riddell / Tonio_ : advocated [02:06] \sh: that was fast! === Riddell uploads kdbus [02:07] ah ok :) [02:07] well then ;) [02:12] Tonio_: keep package has a patch but no include simplepatch.mk in debian/rules [02:12] Riddell: I am running the dapper-testing debs for kde 3.5.1 [02:13] Riddell: So far they seem to crash less frequent then the 3.5.0 ones.... I'd recommend to replace those with the 3.5.1 ones. [02:13] hunger: great, thanks [02:13] Riddell: let me check ;) [02:13] Riddell: Some of the icons look nicer, too;-) [02:14] Riddell: right, let me correct that (3 minutes) [02:14] \sh: thanks for kdbus [02:16] hu hu [02:21] Riddell: not the first time that I can see this... [02:22] Riddell: noatune does not work at all. [02:22] Riddell: when the patch is applied on cvs.sh, building requires automake, while it works correctly without patching.... [02:22] Riddell: aware of that problem ? [02:22] hunger: noatun needs arts [02:22] Riddell: I have the issue with keep actually.... it doesn't build with the patch applied.... [02:23] but i don't know if that may be the problem :) [02:25] hunger: noatun works here (dapper 3.5.1) [02:26] Tonio_: why doesn't it build? [02:26] Riddell: It does not even start to playback. [02:26] hunger: does artsplay work? [02:26] Riddell: amarok works fine. [02:26] JRe: how can I test keep? do I have to wait all day for a backup? [02:27] Riddell: It tries tu make usage of automake, while it doesn't when the simplepatchsys line is commented.... [02:27] Riddell: Yes. [02:27] Riddell: I've seen the same problem with a pair of packages (metamonitor for example) [02:28] Riddell: you can force a backup :) [02:28] nope, not metamonitor...... let me check which one [02:29] JRe: any idea concerning that problem ???? [02:29] Riddell: One sec... used a ogg while the file I tried with noatune was a mp3 [02:29] JRe: I assume this has something to do with the version of the admin/ folder maybe.... [02:30] Tonio_: I have the last updated on from /branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin [02:30] JRe: sounds strange.... Can you just try to build the keep package I've done in a dapper chroot ? [02:30] JRe: ok, I force a backup (and I think that should be changed to "do backup now") and it runs rdiff but no output [02:30] running the rdiff command manually gives an error [02:31] keep should tell the user that but it doesn't [02:31] Fatal Error: Destination directory [02:31] /home/jr/backup [02:31] exists, but does not look like a rdiff-backup directory. === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:31] JRe: Simply build as it is, then add the simplepatchsys line in rules, and you'll see it asks for automake...... [02:31] Riddell: Looks like artsplay does not like mp3 (even though artscontrol lists it as supported). [02:32] Riddell: keep reuploaded with patchsys and an automake1.9 dep.... builds fine [02:33] Tonio_: cool, strange that it needs automake just for touching cvs.sh [02:33] JRe: other than that keep looks great [02:34] backups work well [02:34] could do with something saying when next backup will happen [02:35] and I don't know what unballesting means [02:39] Tonio_: what ? [02:39] Riddell: it see that older backups than this current limit are deleted [02:39] s/see/seems/ [02:40] err s/seems/means/ :) [02:42] change that to "removal"? [02:45] Riddell: ok [02:45] Riddell: will do [02:45] Riddell: I know the working of my app is terrible since I am not a native english speaker :) [02:45] s/working/wording/ [02:46] JRe: it's the showing an error when the backup directory is not valid that needs fixed though, once that's done I'd love for it to go on the CD === pef_aw [n=loic@81.56.130.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:50] Riddell: ok [02:50] Riddell: you want that i made a patch for these modifications or a new version ? [02:50] JRe: new version probably [02:51] JRe: let me know whe it is available, I will update the package === reon [n=reon@dsl-165-147-103.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === reon [n=reon@dsl-165-147-103.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [02:55] Riddell: can you make sure the correct stylesheet is applied to the quickguide? it doesn't look as pretty as the releasenotes [02:57] jjesse: yes, but probably not for a couple of weeks [02:57] Riddell: ok, as long as it gets done before the release :) === enfact [n=enfact@host-64-65-204-175.alb.choiceone.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:57] Tonio_, Riddell: ok will do that before end of week [02:58] hello enfact [03:00] JRe: did you say once upon a time that you were making a floppy/usb disk formatting program? [03:01] JRe: np [03:03] hey Riddel === sebas_ is now known as sebas [03:04] enfact: going to join us as an elite kubuntu developer? [03:04] i would love too, i actually have a couple guys together right now and we're thinking of doing a new distro or just starting work based on kubuntu [03:05] Riddell: Does launchpad have taskmanagement and events calender functionality? [03:05] possibly ubuntu though because of new stuff coming out for graphics (XGL, XEGL, open gl based stuff [03:05] sebas: I think it has calendar stuff, but I've never looked at it [03:05] doesnt seem like that is going in the KDE direction at all, dissapointing [03:06] Riddell: May I /query you? [03:06] enfact: that's all X stuff, all desktop environments will get it [03:06] sebas: sure [03:06] OK. [03:06] but its all GNOME guys on it currently [03:07] seth nickell and some new guy novell picked up [03:08] enfact: http://dot.kde.org/1126267099/ [03:08] exa is written by a KDE developer [03:09] they're keeping lips tight about plasma [03:09] havent seen anyting, have you seen the vids from seth nickell's blog? [03:09] wobbly windos [03:12] http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots [03:12] enfact: yes I saw that, it's almost as good as the stuff zack showed at akademy [03:13] thats so good to hear :) [03:13] the point of all this is that i've designed an entire new GUI that we're to implement [03:13] Riddell: yes it's true but it will only be available with KDE 4 [03:13] Riddell: using the Solid backend [03:13] if you go to one of aaron's talks about plasma he's not tight lipped but there's nothing definate in it yet so it's not on the website [03:13] trying to find the best base for it because it is heavy on transparency & movement [03:13] i plan on being in boston for linuxworld [03:14] dont know the schedule for that though :( [03:16] JRe: ah ok, so a while away yet [03:16] is there any source out there yet that you would consider stable enough to even hack on and try out this new GUI? [03:16] enfact: qt 4 :) [03:16] assumed [03:16] 4.1 has funky SVG stuff [03:16] im talking about these new quartz like X over-layers [03:17] i will have to check out more from zack, hoping there's some kind of source to work from out yet... [03:19] funky SVG as in messed up or great, actually some SVG to balance with cairo? [03:25] enfact: arthur is the qt rendering engine which is equivalent to cairo [03:25] enfact: the funky (i.e. good) SVG stuff in 4.1 is equivalent to rsvg or the like [03:26] cool [03:27] enfact: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1559 [03:27] could well be what you want [03:27] thanks much riddel [03:27] i look forward to being in here more to help out, im no coder, just UI usability type :) [03:28] enfact: don't worry i just do documentation work so we all can find places in the kubuntu-devel team :P [03:28] and design [03:28] cool [03:32] #needaname reminds me of no-name-yet.com === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:32] haha [03:32] we're working on something [03:33] temporary name will be ShapeOS me thinks [03:33] until we can find a zulu word that works :) [03:34] and then put a uppercase K in it at some clever place [03:35] god no! [03:35] Kidding [03:35] :) [03:36] that horrible technique spread like Kancer === JRe_ [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:53] hmm on dapper w/ 3.5.1 everytime i open up adept updater and click on fetch updates the window closes === Tm_T doesn't use adept [03:57] i don't usually use adept either, but trying to so i can write docs on it :) [03:57] buggy systemsettings, still [03:58] haha [03:59] Riddell: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/systemsettings_1.png [03:59] and when I clicked "show all" window got resized, that's all [03:59] hmm [04:00] so now, if I like to change mouse settings ofr example, I have to restart it [04:02] what's the repo for 3.5.1? [04:03] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ [04:03] and ./ [04:03] jjesse: breezy or dapper? [04:03] okay the docteam svn is still big really [04:04] the problem with adept? [04:04] dapper running 3.5.1 [04:04] i always find the problem with adept not opening the first time, but runs fine the 2nd time it is opened [04:05] everytime i try to open up adept-updater and click on fetch-updates the program disappears [04:05] yeah [04:05] but try it the 2nd time, it opens up [04:06] adpet is performating just like you said jsgotangco but adept-updater opens fine, just doesn't fetch updates [04:06] its proably kdesu not working nicely [04:07] adept-updater works fine with me on 3.5.0 though [04:07] oh wait [04:07] its borked too === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:13] ok should i test 3.5.1? [04:14] jjesse: please do [04:14] jsgotangco: rather [04:14] grin already [04:14] Riddell: i just add that url in sources.list right? [04:14] dapper release will 3.5 or 3.5.1? [04:15] we can do 3.5.1 i guess if it passes the acid test [04:15] make sure it is http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ .// [04:15] jjesse: that's yet to be decided [04:15] with .// at the end? [04:15] ./ on the end [04:16] Riddell: would a KDE toolchain be more advisable to do kubuntu docs? [04:16] hello [04:16] jsgotangco: we use the kde docs tools for kubuntu docs [04:18] Riddell: honestly, i'd like to use that, but need to read up [04:18] jsgotangco: What is the acid test kde351 needs to pass? [04:18] ok i'm out for a bit, time to give blood [04:18] jsgotangco: I am using it and see less crashes than with what is in dapper. [04:19] ahhh === jsgotangco updating now === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:31] how much of the power of qt do you loose when you use python instead of C++ any, and is is significant? [04:31] is it* [04:34] enfact: it uses slightly more memory [04:34] enfact: and it means you can't use third party libraries as much [04:34] but basicly none [04:34] except I don't think there's any qt4 python bindings yet [04:35] eek [04:35] c++ it is [04:36] there's not much help for GUI designers, i might need to learn how to code, trials before this have failed miseralby though [04:36] dont have the head for coding [04:36] use qtdesigner [04:36] yeah thats the idea [04:38] 32GiB [04:38] enfact: It largely depends on your apps. [04:38] Most apps are waiting for userinput or i/o most of the time, in that case it's hardly noticeable. [04:39] You should not do heavy computing work in python, though. [04:39] im creating a whole new GUI that ive designed [04:39] ha [04:39] And the bindings for Qt4 are in the works, beta now. [04:39] ill prob end up using c++ or begging somebody who can code to help out [04:39] i will need whatever it is to be able to work with this new XEGL/XGL opengl stuff [04:41] thats another story, will have to talk to zack about [04:43] adept-updater working good here [04:43] it was acting strange because I had adept open at the same time though [04:44] Riddell: I can hardly use "sudo" run any program in kde-3.5.1 [04:47] freeflying_: does kdesu work? [04:47] yeah kdesu command works for most [04:47] Riddell: have not try kdesu [04:50] sealne: do you know if the ruby bindings are working in dapper? [04:53] sorry haven't had a chance to check i have a sarge disk in my dev machine at the moment i'll try to swap it for dapper latter today and let you know [04:53] in fact i might aswell just now [04:56] ouch burny hard disks === sebas [n=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:00] example hello world ruby program seems to work [05:01] can't get clickspotter doing anything though http://clickspotter.ath.cx/files/Download.html [05:08] did you run ClickSpotter-0.1.1/lib/clickspotter.rb ? [05:09] seems to do stuff (on breezy waiting for dapper to update) but i don't have a log to analyze [05:09] stuff as in show anything? [05:09] yeah [05:10] just sits there in the mainloop in dapper, kde 3.5.1 [05:10] well prompt you for a logfile anyway and show the world in the background but as i say this is still breezy lots of dapper updates [05:10] doesn't show anything [05:11] i'll try in a few min [05:11] did you install it or just run from tarball? [05:11] both === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:18] ewww "to execute a command as root..." [05:18] hmm? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:21] seems pretty stable [05:21] jjesse: groovy [05:21] and fast [05:21] grin Riddell must not be used to having two j's in the channel [05:22] I spent my schooldays surrounded by too many Jonathan's. that's why I use my surname as nick :) [05:22] Riddell: its more responsive compared to 3.5.0 and its very noticeable... [05:23] interesting on dapper i don't have a "ruby" command [05:23] only ruby1.8 [05:23] sealne: have to install ruby pacakge [05:23] thats bad [05:24] why? [05:24] i'd definitly expect that installing ruby 1.8 i'd have a file called ruby [05:26] is it "QMultiInputContext::changeInputMethod(): index=0, slave=xim [05:26] that is displayed when you get the blank window? [05:26] is what? [05:26] sorry pasted a new line [05:27] nope, I have nothing displayed [05:27] if run from konsole? [05:27] correct [05:28] maybe thats just katch does that when its not working like this [05:28] pardon? [05:29] different ruby prog [05:30] oooh [05:30] I had 3.5.0 kdebindings, updating to 3.5.1 means it's all working [05:36] Riddell: i'm not on 3.5.1 are you looking for something specific bug or just need test resuls === JRe_ [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:36] s/not/now [05:38] i gotta sleep [05:38] brb [05:44] somewhat slow but good fun, anyone want to package clickspotter? === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D1321.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [n=robotgee@62.240.70.121] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef_aw is now known as pef [06:09] hi, is there a specifc place to file bugs for Kubuntu Dapper , or can I just file it on Malone? [06:11] robotgeek: I file mine in malone. [06:12] hunger: okay, thanks. i will do so. i need to file a few regression bugs in the kernel too === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F6FFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:40] maybe I should find out why KDE crashes on logouts [06:40] happens 100% of the times [06:41] nlindblad: KDE? you mean Kicker? Kicker is NOT whole KDE ;--P [06:41] KDE (as in some component of KDE) [06:41] no wonder you live in sweden ;-) [06:41] what is that suppose to mean? :D [06:42] nlindblad: normal finnish-swedish foolishness [06:42] right [06:42] I'm dumb because I'm Swedish? [06:42] yu, typical joke here, no harm meant === Tm_T is the man you should NOT take too seriously [06:43] as long as I'm not whacking with axe [06:43] good to know [06:44] I shouldn't sit here [06:44] I should write those damn essays [06:44] nlindblad: aye, I have several traces for kicker crashes, don't happen here with --debug compile and without translucency [06:45] I don't use translucency === nlindblad double checks that [06:45] nope, not activated [06:45] nlindblad: yes, but you have to also compile kicker with --enable-debug and ooh, no crashes, no idea why so [06:46] on what should i file a bug in this scenario, "System Settings -> Network Settings" doesn not fit in the screen? kcontrol? [06:47] if it's in kcontrol [06:47] but, sounds like it [06:47] 's systemsettings thing [06:47] Tm_T: I chose Kubuntu because I was fed up compiling [06:48] (old Gentooist) [06:48] hmm, thanks Tm_T [06:49] nlindblad: hehe, I compile some stuff from svn, because I do some testing/developing or just modify for myself [06:49] okey [06:49] robotgeek: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/systemsettings_1.png [06:49] nlindblad: but yeah, I would never compile whole KDE myself, if there's no _really_ good reason [06:50] Tm_T: yeah, same thing. Network Settings button [06:51] robotgeek: not same thing, I resized window -> what? stuff doesn't follow? and, if I press that "show all" button, only window resized back, nothing else =) [06:51] Tm_T: i can't resize the window, the bottom part of the screen goes below the panel. i'll screenshot, one sec [06:52] hehe [06:52] robotgeek: move with alt+drag [06:58] Tm_T: that works [06:59] good [06:59] workaround [06:59] but now i can't see the top part, and i cannot resize at all [06:59] you can't drag from corner? [06:59] nope, it doesn't let me [06:59] ooooh no [06:59] that's bad [07:00] robotgeek: solution? use kcontrol [07:00] that's what I'm usinf [07:00] g [07:03] Tm_T: yeah, kcontrol works (not that I need it to configure my network :) ) [07:03] hehe [07:04] aye, systemsettings is ok as long as it works, never worked here though [07:04] so, it's not kcontrol, i don't know what it is! 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