[12:03] <Daddy_D> hey guys can you remind me what is the name of that webiste, which creates temporary e-mail address to filter the spam?
[12:03] <Daddy_D> Flushbox maybe?
[12:05] <Red_Herring> Daddy_D: i remembered it once
[12:05] <Red_Herring> i used it
[12:05] <Red_Herring> but dont bother, i think most places block it now
[12:06] <Daddy_D> how do you mean they block it?
[12:06] <Red_Herring> Daddy_D: most sites wont accept email addresses from it
[12:07] <Daddy_D> ah, I understand what you are saying now. Because it's not random but always have the same @flushbox at the end
[12:07] <Red_Herring> yeah
[12:07] <Red_Herring> and i dont think its flushbox
[12:08] <Daddy_D> Ok, nevermind I will just use my yahoo e-mail which for this purpose :P
[12:08] <starhawk> hi
[12:09] <starhawk> I want to change the sound when I log in to my desktop any one know where to do that
[12:09] <Red_Herring> uspash option?
[12:10] <starhawk> where is that
[12:10] <starhawk> system settings
[12:10] <starhawk> or terminal
[12:10] <Red_Herring> system settings
[12:11] <starhawk> then what
[12:12] <Red_Herring> apperance?
[12:12] <starhawk> ok then
[12:12] <Red_Herring> no
[12:12] <Red_Herring> thats not it
[12:12] <Red_Herring> hmm
[12:13] <SuperNova> Hi
[12:13] <SuperNova> whats the major difference between Gnome and KDE (ubuntu vs kubuntu)
[12:13] <Red_Herring> starhawk: look under desktop --> spash screen
[12:13] <starhawk> I would of thought sounds and multimedia but not there eather
[12:13] <tristanmike> SuperNova, too many differences to list here
[12:14] <Red_Herring> SuperNova: not much in the way of anything but one uses kde and oen uses gnome
[12:14] <Red_Herring> but as far as those differences go...
[12:14] <starhawk> in a terminal
[12:14] <tristanmike> SuperNova, but basically KDE is super-flashy, and Gnome is super-stable
[12:14] <Red_Herring> its too long to go on
[12:14] <Red_Herring> starhawk: no, in systemsettings
[12:14] <SuperNova> read that KDE isnt as "free" as gnome... does this mean its not free?
[12:15] <Red_Herring> no
[12:15] <Red_Herring> all are open source
[12:15] <SuperNova> okey
[12:15] <Red_Herring> thats not true, kde is 100% open source
[12:15] <starhawk> ok but I dont see any thing to change the sound
[12:16] <Red_Herring> starhawk: then i ran out of suggestions
[12:16] <SuperNova> on the ubuntu site it says completely free and so on... cant find the same sentence on the kubuntu site.. is there a catch? or is kubuntu totally free too?
[12:16] <starhawk> thank you
[12:17] <Red_Herring> SuperNova: not at all, kubuntu also takes pride in being 100% free
[12:17] <Red_Herring> we just dont flash that around
[12:17] <Red_Herring> its a given
[12:17] <SuperNova> okey
[12:17] <tristanmike> SuperNova, just search "kubuntu-desktop" in Synaptic and install, piece of cake
[12:18] <Red_Herring> that is, if he is using ubuntu now
[12:18] <tristanmike> SuperNova, I actually was a little leary on installing KDE but I did, and I don't regret it at all
[12:18] <Red_Herring> how is xubuntu
[12:18] <Red_Herring> i have installled it on a very old laptop
[12:18] <SuperNova> i have never used linux before... thought i should give unbunto a try but then i saw kubuntu and now i cant decide :p
[12:18] <Red_Herring> but i cant tell if its very different
[12:18] <Red_Herring> SuperNova: you can do both
[12:18] <Red_Herring> just install ubuntu
[12:18] <Red_Herring> and add kubuntu to it
[12:19] <Red_Herring> you can change between gnome and kde at login
[12:19] <SuperNova> is there any other differences betweed ubuntu and kubuntu? i mean does the same software come with booth?
[12:19] <Red_Herring> essentially
[12:19] <tristanmike> SuperNova, you can interchange all the software
[12:19] <Red_Herring> just some gnome tools are replaced with kde tools
[12:20] <Red_Herring> but everything else is the same
[12:20] <tristanmike> SuperNova, but to really "see" the differences, you just gotta try it
[12:20] <tristanmike> SuperNova, install both Ubuntu and Kubuntu and switch sessions when ever you want
[12:20] <Red_Herring> i gotta say, kubuntu looks SOOOOO much better...
[12:20] <Red_Herring> thats just me
[12:20] <SuperNova> i have leant that linux requires (or you should use) a separate partiton for swap files is that correct?
[12:21] <Red_Herring> yeah
[12:21] <SuperNova> recomended size for swap part?
[12:21] <Red_Herring> but the ubuntu/kubuntu installer can take care of that for you
[12:21] <tristanmike> SuperNova, twice your RAM
[12:21] <Red_Herring> it reccomends 2x your ram
[12:21] <Red_Herring> damn tristanmike, beat me to it
[12:21] <SuperNova> 2GB
[12:22] <Red_Herring> 2gb of ram or swap?
[12:22] <tristanmike> SuperNova, if you're have 1GB of RAM, you should only need about 750 megs
[12:22] <tristanmike> of swap that is
[12:22] <Red_Herring> if ya have 2gb of ram, ya dont need much of a swap space at all
[12:22] <SuperNova> i know that the install can reformat/repart a NTFS partition to a sawp+main (ext3) but is there any way to reformat ext3 to ntfs?
[12:22] <Red_Herring> using windows
[12:23] <tristanmike> no, NTFS is strictly windows
[12:23] <Red_Herring> but linux cannot write ntfs
[12:23] <SuperNova> okey so its possible
[12:23] <tristanmike> Just like you can't have a Windows Ext3 fs
[12:23] <Red_Herring> thank your good old freind m$ for that one?
[12:23] <Red_Herring> why is there a "?" at the end of that?
[12:23] <SuperNova> btw is there any chance that my other partitions on my harddrive can get damaged wten i repart/reformats one of them to Ext3?
[12:23] <Red_Herring> tristanmike: not true
[12:24] <Red_Herring> i can r/w to my ext3 partition under windows easy
[12:24] <tristanmike> Red_Herring, you're saying Windows can be formated to Ext3?
[12:24] <Red_Herring> well.. not installed to it
[12:24] <Red_Herring> but with drivers you can interact with ext3 partitions
[12:24] <tristanmike> that's what I meant, you can't have a Windows in ext3, but I am aware that you can interact with Linux
[12:25] <Red_Herring> but in terms of re-formatting and keeping data... no, ya cant
[12:28] <SuperNova> so what do you use, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[12:28] <DjDarkman> does somebody know how can i make firestarter start automaticly for kde
[12:30] <sampan> djdarkman  there is a preference setting in firestarter for "start on boot" and/or "start when internet connection is brought up"
[12:31] <tristanmike> SuperNova, most of my time is spent on Ubuntu, but Kubuntu is very pretty. I really only use Ubuntu becasue it is different than windows, Kubuntu feels more like windows but better
[12:31] <sampan> djdarkman  in case you're a new user coming from windows, though.  firestarter is mainly a front-end for iptables -- the app does NOT stay running by default.  it writes the set of rules for iptables and then exits.  those rules, once in written, function as your firewall.
[12:32] <SuperNova> while im at it.... when i download a oftware for linux do i have to compile it (if, HOW?) or is it just - klick on the icon and folow the instructions?
[12:33] <HeadUp`> tin mais ya que des cons ce soir
[12:34] <tristanmike> SuperNova, pretty much anything you could ever want is in the repos, so just install through Synaptic. That software is tested thoroughly and is known to work and is supported but other stuff you may need to compile from source, some you can install like our beloved "exe" and some come in nice, neat little packages
[12:34] <tristanmike> SuperNova, it's best if you give an application as an example
[12:35] <SuperNova> tristanmike i assume that you are going to need codecs and mediaplayers... mediaplayer classic for example
[12:35] <DjDarkman> sampan: i`ve heard that firestarter also alerts when someones "probing" me
[12:35] <Red_Herring> !w32codecs
[12:35] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[12:35] <tristanmike> SuperNova, yes, but they're all there. A quick look through the wiki will help you get them installed
[12:36] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[12:36] <ubotu> [win32codecs]  binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[12:36] <sampan> djdarkman  yes. if you leave it running, in the system tray, it will do so. The icon will go to red and flash once.  I found it pretty annoying and not worth the effort.  It's doing it's job even when it's not running.
[12:36] <SuperNova> synaptic what is that? doe it come with k/ubuntu?
[12:37] <tristanmike> SuperNova, Synaptic is the magical program that installs everything for you so you don't have to
[12:37] <SuperNova> tristanmike okey... is it free? the software it installs is free?
[12:38] <tristanmike> SuperNova, yeah it's free, everything that comes with Ubuntu is free, that's part of it's philosophy
[12:38] <DjDarkman> yes but sampan if someone tries to scan me ,i would be happy to ban his host
[12:38] <dark_suic> SuperNova, if you have kubuntu 5.10, then adept is your friend
[12:38] <dark_suic> adept is almost the same as synaptic, but with kde look :)
[12:39] <tristanmike> SuperNova, don't listen to dark_suic , adept is inept
[12:39] <dark_suic> it's just some kind of "install and remove programs" from windows, but this time DOES work for installing :)
[12:39] <SuperNova> tristanmike i menat if i want a mediaplayer and gts one through synaptic is the mdiaplayer free or can i get software that i have to pay for through synaptic?
[12:39] <sampan> djdarkman  you'll be spending a lot of time banning then.  i was getting 400-500 "hits" a day, sometimes several hundred an hour :)  that's a lot of time looking through logs-- but suit yourself.
[12:40] <tristanmike> SuperNova, well, both Ubuntu and Kubuntu come with their own media players by default but yes, there are others and they are all free. Anything that you install from Ubuntu is 100% free as in beer
[12:40] <sampan> mmmm free beer
[12:40] <SuperNova> hehe
[12:41] <DjDarkman> hmmm so youre saying that it`s best to leave it running in the background?
[12:41] <SuperNova> i have noticed that gnome has 2 "bars" one at the top and one at the bottom.... kde only has one (as windows)... is there any special feats of having two?
[12:41] <tristanmike> SuperNova, nothing but choice, the means fit the ends
[12:42] <tristanmike> SuperNova, basically they just take two paths to get to the same location, so to speak
[12:42] <sampan> djdarkman  for me it was. thing is, it doesn't need to "run in the background" at all.  it ONLY writes the iptables rules and then, because linux kernel has ip routing built-in, you're firewalled.
[12:42] <SuperNova> is there any difference (other that looks) between KDE and gnome?
[12:43] <tristanmike> SuperNova, Kubuntu is more for my mom, more comfortable doing things the "windows-way"
[12:43] <DjDarkman> by default what rules does it write?
[12:43] <tristanmike> SuperNova, they are completely different yet very much the same
[12:43] <SuperNova> i mean is one faster than the other or so?
[12:43] <sampan> djdarkman  so after it writes the rules for iptables, there's nothing left for it to do (unless of course you want to see the ip's for all the boxes that are scanning you -- 99% are windows boxes scanning for win services). the default rules are permissive OUTGOING and NOTHING incoming.
[12:44] <omri> hello
[12:45] <tristanmike> SuperNova, I'd say Ubuntu is faster than Kubuntu, but I don't really notice a difference
[12:45] <tristanmike> SuperNova, Kubuntu is really cutting edge, in my opinion, Ubuntu is less flashy
[12:45] <sampan> djdarkman but honestly, unless you're running servers (mail, ftp, http, etc.) you don't even need a firewall at all: by default ubuntu is not listening for any external packets and it will just ignore them anyway
[12:45] <SuperNova> tristanmike KDE looks a bit nicer but if ubuntu has som other feats that would make it a better choise?
[12:45] <tristanmike> SuperNova, Install both =)
[12:46] <DjDarkman> well i`m running an apache and a mysql server
[12:46] <tristanmike> they won't conflict with one another
[12:46] <SuperNova> i mean a nice desktop doesnt cover performance, and how easy its to use
[12:46] <Daddy_D> It's good to hear what people think about the distributions. I was planning on starting with Kubunut as a desktop as soon as I get my DVD writer. I understand what you mean "more for my mom", but does it mean it's a bad thing to start learning linux with Kubuntu?
[12:46] <SuperNova> tristanmike first time in linux, might be better to get used to one first :p
[12:47] <Daddy_D> So far my choice is on Slackware and Kubuntu and I made my choice based on the popularity and user support from both partys
[12:47] <SuperNova> does software come in different versions for KDE and gnome?
[12:47] <sampan> djdarkman  then it might be wise.  firestarter is a good choice in that you can use it to write iptables rules (without having to learn iptables yourself).  and you can change the rules "on the fly"
[12:47] <tristanmike> SuperNova, again, they are both pretty easy to use, Kubuntu is more for those who don't want too much of a difference in how they do things compared to windows, and Ubuntu is more for those who want different
[12:47] <tristanmike> SuperNova, but really, install both, you won't be sorry, I promise
[12:47] <DjDarkman> ok sampan 10x 4 the info ,goodbye
[12:48] <sampan> djdarkman  np -- good luck :)
[12:48] <Daddy_D> Hey Supernova, I suggest you install linux before askin questions as such and actually try all the stuff you are asking about.
[12:48] <sampan> supernova  pick one of the .isos (ubuntu or kubuntu), install it and then it's simple to install the other desktop afterwards.  or try out the livecds
[12:50] <cplusplus> is netbeans supported for kubuntu?
[12:52] <Red_Herring> if its written in java, i can only imagine it would
[12:54] <cplusplus> package eclipse could not be found!?!?
[12:55] <Daddy_D> So what do you guys think I should go for?
[12:56] <Daddy_D> Kubuntu on day to day basis to get use to the whole linux thing, or slackware for complete skill knowledge and best teacher guide?
[12:56] <Red_Herring> huh
[12:56] <Red_Herring> i added the repositories here:
[12:57] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[12:57] <ubotu> win32codecs is, like, binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[12:57] <Red_Herring> wait
[12:57] <Red_Herring> nvm
[12:57] <tristanmike> so any suggestions on how to get amarok's visualizations to work?
[12:57] <Red_Herring> it shouldnt matter
[12:57] <Red_Herring> try using adept to install it
[12:59] <cplusplus> !eclipse
[12:59] <ubotu> to install eclipse please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[01:00] <cplusplus> !netbeans
[01:00] <ubotu> cplusplus: Syntax error in line 1
[01:00] <cplusplus> hm
[01:00] <Red_Herring> is ubotu serious?
[01:00] <Red_Herring> or just making a bad joke?
[01:00] <Red_Herring> shame on the programmer if it is
[01:00] <sampan> that's one of the lines he's programmed to say when he has no factoid for the string in question
[01:00] <redguy> ubotu is a liar
[01:00] <ubotu> redguy: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:01] <Red_Herring> oh
[01:01] <cplusplus> !netbeans
[01:01] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, cplusplus
[01:01] <cplusplus> cplusplus: Syntax error in line 1
[01:01] <Red_Herring> !rj
[01:01] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I haven't a clue
[01:03] <cplusplus> !jdk
[01:03] <ubotu> cplusplus: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[01:03] <SuperNova> final question:
[01:04] <SuperNova> Is there any differens in software for gnome and kde? i mean is ther a gnome version that doesnt work under KDE and vice vers
[01:05] <redguy> SuperNova: you can run Gnome apps in KDE and KDE apps in Gnome if that what you're asking
[01:05] <redguy> *that is
[01:05] <Red_Herring> well...
[01:05] <Red_Herring> the gnome control panel is system settings
[01:05] <tristanmike> SuperNova, the only thing with that is that you must have the Gnome Libraries installed in KDE and vise versa
[01:05] <Red_Herring> but thats pretty much all
[01:08] <Red_Herring> !linux basics
[01:08] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I give up, what is it?
[01:08] <Red_Herring> !linux tutorial
[01:08] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Not a clue
[01:08] <Red_Herring> !linuxtutorial
[01:08] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Syntax error in line 1
[01:08] <sampan> supernova  really you can't go wrong.  pick one, install it.  if it doesn't tickle your fancy, install the other.  or install the other anyway.  some of us have gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox/openbox, enlightenment  and/or some others too.  if you're inclined to do so, it's even fun to try them out (and easy to do, and easy to uninstall the ones you don't like).
[01:08] <eightiesk> !getfirefox
[01:08] <ubotu> eightiesk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:08] <eightiesk> !firefox1.5
[01:08] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:10] <sampan> supernova  once you install them both, you'll have a MUCH better grasp of what you like or don't like about each one.  without trying them both it's pretty hard to choose since it's all abstract. so, jump in! the water's fine!  :D
[01:11] <tristanmike> sampan, I don't he/she may just love all them and freak out cause he/she _can't_ choose cause they all rock
[01:13] <sampan> lol
[01:13] <sampan> that happens too :D
[01:13] <sampan> just need more computers then
[01:13] <SuperNova> sampan the problem is i have never used linux before... thoght it was hard to install another gui
[01:13] <tristanmike> oh yeah
[01:13] <tristanmike> SuperNova, not with Ubuntu's standards
[01:13] <Red_Herring> freaking easy
[01:14] <sampan> supernova  i understand ... i was a completely new user 8 months ago too.  but tristanmike is right: ubuntu makes it a snap to install new ones
[01:14] <Red_Herring> well.. except enlightenment 17
[01:14] <Red_Herring> which i am DYING to try out
[01:14] <SuperNova> whats best to do? ubuntu+KDE or kubuntu +gnome
[01:14] <eightiesk> !gaim
[01:14] <ubotu> hmm... gaim is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[01:14] <Red_Herring> ubuntu + kde
[01:14] <eightiesk> !gaim
[01:14] <tristanmike> yeah, enlightenment 17 is not the easiest, that's for sure
[01:14] <Red_Herring> is my vote
[01:14] <Red_Herring> !enlightenment17
[01:14] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Huh?
[01:14] <SuperNova> how do i get KDE and install it in ubuntu then?
[01:14] <Red_Herring> !e17
[01:14] <sampan> supernova  both those will be exactly alike in the end.  the installs are same and you'll end out with the same packages.
[01:14] <Daddy_D> Raiser FS or EXT 3?
[01:15] <tristanmike> SuperNova, if you have just the basic Ubuntu installer, you should just go through the standard install, then install Kubuntu after
[01:15] <Red_Herring> thats my vote
[01:15] <SuperNova> tristanmike i menat how to install kubuntu afterwards.....
[01:15] <sampan> supernova  once you've installed one, then installing the other is as simple as: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ... or sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  ... it's THAT easy
[01:16] <Red_Herring> so score: ubuntu + kde: 2, kubuntu + gnome: 0
[01:16] <tristanmike> SuperNova, if you're running on Ubuntu now, search in Synaptic for "kubuntu-desktop" click yes, then apply
[01:16] <sampan> it's just a SINGLE console command
[01:16] <SuperNova> sampan so its a software that omes with ubuntu? just start the software and brows for kde?
[01:16] <Red_Herring> easier
[01:16] <Red_Herring> just search for kubuntu-desktop
[01:16] <Red_Herring> install that
[01:16] <tristanmike> SuperNova, use "Synaptic Package Manager"
[01:17] <SuperNova> okey
[01:17] <Red_Herring> and thats the official kubuntu package
[01:17] <SuperNova> okey nice
[01:17] <sampan> supernova, it's software that's in the repositories, which you can install via synaptic/adept ... or via the commandline (console).  both work exactly the same.
[01:17] <tristanmike> SuperNova, exactly what sampan said, you might want to stick with Synaptic untill you get used to working your way around
[01:18] <SuperNova> Thank you all! ill try it first thing tomorrow!
[01:19] <Daddy_D> What file system do most of you use?
[01:19] <tristanmike> default
[01:19] <Daddy_D> Im not sure which one to go for
[01:19] <sampan> ext3 for me
[01:19] <Daddy_D> I see
[01:21] <eightiesk> ne1 wanna tell me how toy mount my windows partition to linux?
[01:21] <tristanmike> ntfs or fat?
[01:21] <eightiesk> ntfs
[01:21] <eightiesk> its hda1...
[01:22] <tristanmike> you know you can't write to it
[01:22] <eightiesk> ya
[01:22] <eightiesk> i just want my images
[01:22] <tristanmike> k, just makin sure, :)
[01:22] <eightiesk> NTSF isn'
[01:22] <eightiesk> t open source
[01:23] <Red_Herring> at all
[01:23] <eightiesk> cuz microsoft is full of money grubing assholes
[01:23] <thompa> i cant seem to update the 3.5 repos
[01:23] <Red_Herring> in fact its anti open source
[01:23] <eightiesk> excuse my talk.
[01:23] <Red_Herring> they try to stop people from being able to use it w/o windows
[01:23] <eightiesk> but they make me mad.
[01:23] <tristanmike> eightiesk, you have to add "/dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=0222 0 0" to the /etc/fstab file *assuming /media/windows is where you want the mount point
[01:24] <tristanmike> eightiesk, if so, you must create it first, /media/windows that is
[01:24] <Red_Herring> when will they FINALLY be done w/ enlighenment 17
[01:24] <Red_Herring> because when they do... m$ is gonna piss their pants
[01:24] <eightiesk> i couldn't get suse to install
[01:24] <eightiesk> so i installed kubuntu again
[01:24] <Red_Herring> well... i hate suse
[01:24] <tristanmike> me either
[01:24] <eightiesk> :-(
[01:24] <tristanmike> and that's why I also hate suse
[01:25] <eightiesk> kubuntu also don't work
[01:25] <thompa> can someone show me to add the 3.5 repos again?
[01:25] <eightiesk> but i know the code to fix it
[01:25] <eightiesk> !realplayer
[01:25] <ubotu> from memory, realplayer is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:25] <thompa> ive done this many times but its not working for some reason
[01:26] <thompa> i was adding them with synaptic maybe thats a problem
[01:26] <tristanmike> !tell eightiesk about ntfs
[01:26] <cplusplus> n8
[01:26] <cplusplus> bye red_herring
[01:27] <Red_Herring> see ya
[01:27] <cplusplus> have fun with neighbors wirless lan;)
[01:29] <thompa> i found the problem, it was a synaptic one
[01:30] <thompa> i just added it to sources.list instead
[01:30] <eightiesk> i'm rather new to linux.
[01:30] <eightiesk> how abotu you all?
[01:30] <Red_Herring> thats fine
[01:31] <hatake_kakashi> is it possible to make apt-get first read the data off the cache first before even attempt to download the necessary files? If not, then it seems like I have to download 400+ MB on dialup all over again
[01:31] <eightiesk> !installfromsource
[01:31] <ubotu> No idea, eightiesk
[01:31] <Red_Herring> hatake_kakashi: it should by defauly
[01:31] <Red_Herring> unless you intentionally clean out the cache
[01:31] <Red_Herring> it should not use the interent
[01:31] <hatake_kakashi> Red_Herring: interestingly, it does not seem to, I will check it out on the cache that I got
[01:32] <eightiesk> whats the best way to install the new GAIM?
[01:33] <tristanmike_> !gaim
[01:33] <ubotu> rumour has it, gaim is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[01:33] <Red_Herring> !gaim2.0
[01:33] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Red_Herring
[01:33] <hatake_kakashi> !xine
[01:33] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, hatake_kakashi
[01:33] <dahuhu> kicker doesnt save my setting that it should display workspace name instead of their numbers :( after restart it displays numbers again. anyone knows why?
[01:33] <tristanmike_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompileGaim?highlight=%28gaim%29
[01:35] <eightiesk> the new gaim came out last night
[01:35] <owner> is it in the repos yet
[01:35] <Red_Herring> eightiesk: is it final?
[01:35] <hatake_kakashi> Red_Herring: no, its overwriting it.. I checked my previous cache.. it is in full size
[01:35] <Red_Herring> or still beta?
[01:35] <eightiesk> its alot more stable
[01:35] <Red_Herring> hmmmmm
[01:36] <tristanmike_> I think beta still
[01:36] <Red_Herring> thats very odd
[01:36] <owner> it is beta 2
[01:36] <eightiesk> i tryed it in Windows and FC4
[01:36] <owner> is gaim going to have yahoo voice chat
[01:36] <eightiesk> hey owner.
[01:36] <owner> it was rumored
[01:36] <owner> hi eightiesk
[01:36] <raphink> why, we've got a great chat app that is included in KDE, optimized to work in it, fully integrated with kdepim, and yet people use gaim
[01:36] <raphink> there's something I don't get
[01:36] <eightiesk> owner: how are you?
[01:36] <tristanmike_> old habits die hard?
[01:36] <owner> good and you
[01:36] <eightiesk> i'm good.
[01:36] <Red_Herring> i aggree, i love kopete
[01:37] <Red_Herring> its very nice
[01:37] <raphink> kopete just rocks
[01:37] <raphink> gaim is ugly (well it's gtk)
[01:37] <raphink> and it doen't do more than kopete
[01:37] <raphink> or better
[01:37] <hatake_kakashi> raphink: its better than using msn
[01:37] <eightiesk> i dunno i use GAIM in Windows
[01:37] <owner> kopete lacks features gaim has
[01:37] <eightiesk> so i'm kinda acustom to it.
[01:37] <owner> kopete has no chat functions
[01:37] <owner> for yahoo chat
[01:37] <eightiesk> i'm a big supporter.
[01:37] <raphink> hmmpf
[01:38] <raphink> yahoo chat is the worse place to be on earth
[01:38] <raphink> worst
[01:38] <eightiesk> ive had gaim since .06
[01:38] <raphink> it's like
[01:38] <raphink> anE1 to sleep w/ me 2n8 ?
[01:38] <raphink> that's yahoo chat
[01:38] <raphink> all the time
[01:38] <owner> i agree
[01:38] <owner> and booters
[01:38] <raphink> so I'm happy there's not even this feature in kopete ;)
[01:38] <raphink> we are civilized people I hope
[01:38] <sorush20> guys i'm unable to move my task bar it just stuck on the left and it will not move
[01:39] <raphink> sorush20: how about clicking on it and setting it?
[01:39] <owner> left click
[01:39] <owner> and hold
[01:39] <raphink> either left click and hold to move it
[01:39] <raphink> or right click and settings
[01:39] <raphink> to set the position
[01:40] <eightiesk> i like the buddy ticker in gaim
[01:40] <raphink> what's that?
[01:40] <raphink> I think gaim, as most gnome apps, lacks integration
[01:41] <raphink> things like dcop or kdepim stuff
[01:41] <owner> not everone likes integration
[01:41] <eightiesk> set it to 2,718 and 1020, 15  with no border and set to always on top...
[01:41] <raphink> that let you make an amarok script to paste what you're playing in your chat window
[01:41] <tristanmike_> yeah, that's the only think I don't like about Konqueror
[01:41] <eightiesk> thats why i like GAIM.
[01:41] <raphink> or that allows you to see if your contacts are online when reading an email of them
[01:41] <owner> yeah konqueror web brower/file manager is not the best idea
[01:42] <raphink> or so
[01:42] <owner> imho
[01:42] <owner> krusader is nice though
[01:42] <raphink> hmm
[01:42] <eightiesk> konquer reminds me of IE
[01:42] <raphink> I don't agree but heh ;)
[01:42] <eightiesk> :-X
[01:42] <tristanmike_> don't get me wrong, I love Kubuntu, but yeah, to IE-ee for me
[01:42] <callie> huh?
[01:42] <raphink> I often split the window in konqueror to have half of it as local and half as ftp or fish
[01:42] <raphink> so it turns into an ftp/ssh client
[01:43] <eightiesk> IE errors and windows shuts down
[01:43] <eightiesk> LMAO
[01:43] <tristanmike_> that's a pretty neat feature
[01:43] <eightiesk> how orginal
[01:43] <owner> konqueror is okay but not nearly as well supported as firefox
[01:43] <raphink> haha
[01:43] <owner> so many sites it doesnt work with
[01:43] <eightiesk> ne1 into blogs?
[01:43] <raphink> I loved firebird 3 years ago
[01:43] <raphink> it was fast, reliable
[01:43] <raphink> and all
[01:44] <raphink> now firefox is a big app that does only web and is slower than all othre browsers to load
[01:44] <raphink> and that requires lots of plugins to do half as much as konqui does
[01:44] <Red_Herring> thats why i use konqeror
[01:44] <raphink> imo
[01:44] <owner> 1.5 is a bit better with memory usage
[01:44] <raphink> I've switched from FF to Konq some months ago
[01:44] <Red_Herring> i use both
[01:44] <raphink> and I don't want to use FF anymore
[01:44] <Red_Herring> whatever is up already
[01:44] <raphink> I used to use both
[01:45] <tristanmike_> I use FF in Gnome, and Konq in KDE
[01:45] <raphink> and I freed myself from FF and I'm happy of it :)
[01:45] <eightiesk> i don;t use gnome
[01:45] <eightiesk> lol
[01:45] <raphink> tristanmike_: sure, same here
[01:45] <eightiesk> i find it ugh
[01:45] <Red_Herring> now that konqeror 3.5 has popup blocking and adblock...
[01:45] <Red_Herring> its betting better and better
[01:45] <raphink> using konqui in GNOME would not be very wisse
[01:45] <raphink> Red_Herring: Tonio has made a very nice profile for konqueror for dapper
[01:45] <Red_Herring> using KHTML in gnome would be nice though
[01:45] <raphink> wait and see :)
[01:45] <Red_Herring> nice
[01:46] <Red_Herring> is Tonio the person who manages that?
[01:46] <raphink> he's worked 2 days (and nights) on making konqueror as easy to use as now but gettings users to find all the features easily
[01:46] <raphink> Red_Herring: nope, it's riddell usually
[01:46] <raphink> since konqueror is in main
[01:47] <raphink> but Riddell gives us some work sometimes when we have ideas on how to do things ;)
[01:47] <owner> i use firefox and kde
[01:47] <owner> konqueror is fine as a file manager
[01:47] <raphink> I have less and less html issues with konqueror
[01:48] <raphink> I remember konqueror 3 years ago was horrible
[01:48] <raphink> even for file management it was a pain
[01:48] <owner> its nice and fast now
[01:48] <raphink> now it has improved a lot
[01:48] <Red_Herring> yup
[01:48] <Red_Herring> hoping firefox will do the same
[01:48] <owner> apple uses same engine as konq for safari
[01:48] <Red_Herring> well
[01:49] <owner> but not all the improvements are backported into konq
[01:49] <raphink> yep
[01:49] <Red_Herring> technically safari uses konqui's engine
[01:49] <Red_Herring> because KHTML is kde's
[01:49] <raphink> safari isn't open-source, is it?
[01:49] <Red_Herring> the engine is
[01:49] <Red_Herring> well... at least to kde
[01:49] <raphink> yes I know
[01:49] <raphink> but the app is not
[01:49] <Red_Herring> no
[01:49] <raphink> only KHTML is
[01:50] <Red_Herring> but they have made improvements to KHTML, and helped KDE a lot with them
[01:50] <raphink> ok
[01:50] <raphink> that's good :)
[01:50] <owner> i think apple picked khtml over mozilla because of licensing issues
[01:50] <cyberserver> Testing kde 3.5.1 .... seems to work fine here too!
[01:52] <owner> im using 3.5
[01:52] <owner> how did you get 3.51
[01:52] <raphink> owner: topic
[01:52] <owner> ok
[01:52] <owner> lol
[01:53] <cyberserver> Hey people, do you think 'adept' and '
[01:53] <cyberserver> Hey people, do you think 'adept' problems have already been brought up enough times?
[01:53] <cyberserver> It always crashes on me when I try to do a "pakage update"
[01:54] <macd> adept is inept, we know this.
[01:54] <Red_Herring> i hate adept
[01:54] <Red_Herring> !adept
[01:54] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[01:54] <Red_Herring> !kpackage
[01:54] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese, Red_Herring
[01:54] <macd> its stable in breezy, but dapper it seems to be rough
[01:54] <Red_Herring> !kynaptic
[01:54] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese, Red_Herring
[01:54] <Red_Herring> !ksynaptic
[01:54] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Syntax error in line 1
[01:54] <cyberserver> raphink: I also prefer doing things on the console....  but... it is a standart package that is not working right, so I would prefer not having it being installed by default...
[01:55] <cyberserver> macd: Oh, I was not aware of that... I always tried from dapper :-/
[01:55] <raphink> I agree cyberserver in a way
[01:55] <ccc_> anyone know how i set my own secret key in kgpg? i want to import it
[01:56] <raphink> ccc_: you mean creating a private key with kgpg ?
[01:56] <nikita> hey =) whem my Amarok plays MP3 files the sounds is not smooth, it like interrupts every 0.2 seconds. what can the problem be in?
[01:56] <ccc_> seems like import key only imports public keys...?
[01:56] <macd> nikita: wow you sure seem to have problems with mp3 :P
[01:56] <raphink> ccc_: sure
[01:56] <ccc_> raphink: no, not create, import an existing sec key
[01:56] <raphink> ccc_: how could you import a private key ?
[01:56] <macd> nikita: how do your system loads look?
[01:56] <raphink> ccc_: by default it's private, you're not supposed to import it
[01:57] <raphink> ccc_: to import your existing private key, you have to cp your ~/.gnupg
[01:57] <macd> cyberserver: dapper isnt stable, it has tons of bugs, I wouldnt recommend using it for anything but testing
[01:57] <hatake_kakashi> nah.. its definetly overwriting it Red_Herring
[01:57] <ccc_> raphink: hmm ok, so there is no file, only a password to unlock what was written and encrypted with my public key?
[01:57] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[01:57] <Red_Herring> sorry all
[01:57] <Red_Herring> but i gotta quit
[01:57] <eightiesk> !whywindowssucks
[01:57] <cyberserver> raphink, Red_Herring : Anyway, what I guess it was reasonable was that if somedays before dapper braing release the adept problem still existed... that someone dump it.... but....
[01:57] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens!, eightiesk
[01:57] <Red_Herring> im tring out e17
[01:57] <Red_Herring> hope it works :-)
[01:57] <cyberserver> macd : I agree...
[01:58] <raphink> ccc_: all the gnupg files are in ~/.gnupg
[01:58] <macd> ohh ircing as root
[01:58] <macd> tsk tsk tsk
[01:58] <raphink> ccc_: if you have a private key on a machine and you want it on another one, just copy your ~/.gnupg to this new machine
[01:58] <raphink> ccc_: to your ~ on this machine that is
[01:58] <cyberserver> macd : ... but this is the thing: I would like to help sorting bugs out... but... seems kubuntu-devel is not the place to do it...
[01:58] <raphink> ccc_: don't copy your ~/.gnupg to a machine you don't administrate though, that's evil
[01:59] <ccc_> raphink: ah i see. then it's lost :/ too bad... thanks for clearing things up for me.
[01:59] <raphink> cyberserver: #ubuntu-motu might be a better place for that
[01:59] <ccc_> raphink: yep
[01:59] <cyberserver> macd & others: have any ideia what is the best way to help dapper?
[01:59] <nikita> macd: the maxium is 60 (the CPU usage when i'm playing a file)
[01:59] <raphink> ccc_: if you lose your ~/.gnupg and have no backup of it anywhere, they you lose your key
[01:59] <cyberserver> raphink: ok, thanks for this info. I was not aware of that.... Even for kubuntu packages like adept?
[01:59] <macd> cyberserver: by submitting bugs and specificly steps to recreate them
[02:00] <raphink> ccc_: and the public key can't be used by anyone anymmore
[02:00] <eightiesk> how would i go tabout installing http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=1499
[02:00] <ccc_> raphink: roger
[02:00] <ccc_> thanks
[02:00] <macd> nikita: hmmm, that doesnt sound that bad
[02:00] <hatake_kakashi> anyone quite familar with apt-get?
[02:00] <raphink> cyberserver: adept is in main iirc, so you should discuss it with riddell
[02:00] <nikita> macd: on windows it wasn't that high though
[02:00] <raphink> cyberserver: but for all bugs in universe, the motu team is what you want
[02:00] <macd> this isnt windows.
[02:00] <raphink> cyberserver: and we welcome help any  time :)
[02:01] <macd> nikita: you can try in konsole/console typing "top" see whats hogging your cpu
[02:01] <raphink> nikita: you ran amarok on windows ? :p
[02:01] <macd> hehe
[02:02] <nikita> raphink: no =))))))))))))))) tshhhh. i'm very confused =)
[02:02] <macd> I was thinking that then realized Im sure they meant the cpu load :P
[02:02] <eightiesk> how would i go tabout installing http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=1499????
[02:02] <cyberserver> macd : My feeling is that bug reports are somewhat left unnatended unless someone "pressures" others to look at them.... that's why I was looking for a suggestion.. maybe a different mailing list... or, now that raphink sugested it, I'll try #ubuntu-motd
[02:03] <raphink> cyberserver: your feeling is based on the last few months I guess, now you might be interested to know about the Dapper release plan
[02:03] <owner> eighties lol
[02:03] <macd> heh
[02:03] <nikita> macd: can it be because the file i'm plaing is on ntfs partition?
[02:03] <raphink> cyberserver: in the last 2 months, the priority was merging packages from Debian
[02:03] <owner> if there is no deb file, convert rpm with alien
[02:03] <owner> works most of the time
[02:03] <macd> nikita: well, I wouldnt think so
[02:03] <raphink> cyberserver: now the priority is new packages and bugs
[02:03] <macd> I play all mine over a samba share
[02:03] <eightiesk> hwey
[02:04] <raphink> cyberserver: once new packages are not accepted anymore, bugs will be priority #1
[02:04] <eightiesk> how can u extract fire fox to opt if i don't have permission:-(
[02:04] <macd> nikita: try copying a few nto your local partition and see :)
[02:04] <macd> eightiesk: sudo
[02:04] <owner> sudo eightiesk
[02:04] <raphink> cyberserver: but bugs are not priority #1 in the beginning of the development process
[02:04] <nikita> macd: taht's what i'm intended to do =p
[02:04] <macd> !sudo
[02:04] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[02:04] <eightiesk> ya but sudo where?
[02:05] <eightiesk> i typed sudo /opt and it erroreds
[02:05] <cyberserver> raphink: Ok, seems good enought that explanation. Do you think 'usability chat' is also interesting for #ubuntu-motd ?
[02:05] <raphink> cyberserver: it's #ubuntu-motu
[02:05] <raphink> cyberserver: and you're welcome to come and talk there :)
[02:05] <Red_Herring> holy crap e17 is nice
[02:06] <raphink> cyberserver: there is a motuIM team so i'm sure they'll be interested in this
[02:06] <macd> eightiesk: are you trying to get to /opt?
[02:06] <cyberserver> raphink: Thanks. I'll do that. Looking forward to help.
[02:06] <macd> or install something like lamp to it?
[02:06] <cyberserver> raphink: motuIM ? But... I'll reach its members in #ubuntu-motu ?
[02:07] <cyberserver> raphink: I had not heard of them until now
[02:07] <raphink> sure cyberserver
[02:07] <raphink> cyberserver: well just come...
[02:07] <eightiesk> i'm trying to extract fire for to opt.
[02:07] <eightiesk> firefox*
[02:08] <superbnerb> did anyone else have trouble installing the install CD?
[02:08] <macd> hmmmm...
[02:08] <tristanmike_> i did on my first batch
[02:08] <macd> installing the install CD, or installing from the install cd?
[02:09] <nikita> macd: =/ doesn't make any difference
[02:09] <superbnerb> my live cD worked great and i wanted it on my laptop, but I then installed the install CD and i get hung up after my first boot
[02:09] <superbnerb> can you install from the live CD? ala kanotix?
[02:09] <superbnerb> i should mention i'm using the 64 bit
[02:09] <macd> nikita: hmmm, thats odd, did you try looking at top so see what was hogging?
[02:10] <eightiesk> owner how do you use alien?
[02:11] <raphink> eightiesk: you don't, it's evil
[02:11] <tristanmike_> lol
[02:11] <eightiesk> lol
[02:11] <raphink> use alien if you wanna screw  up your system
[02:11] <eightiesk> he told me to use it to conver that skin.
[02:11] <raphink> with crapy packages
[02:11] <eightiesk> i dunno how to install themes.
[02:11] <eightiesk> !theme
[02:11] <raphink> you rather get that skin packaged than using alien
[02:11] <raphink> beark
[02:11] <raphink> eightiesk: go to the kde control center
[02:11] <eightiesk> k?
[02:12] <raphink> appearance -> themes
[02:12] <raphink> and click install
[02:12] <raphink> :p
[02:12] <nikita> macd: do you think it's something with software? because the audio card is okey, and xmms was okay. oh, now when i took my dictionary, i know what's hogging :) mmm gam_server? but it is strange, why it was okey with the previous player. i think i just better with xmms for know while i'm learning =)
[02:12] <eightiesk> i don't have theme manger wtf
[02:13] <macd> nikita you using gnome or kde?
[02:13] <nikita> macd: kde
[02:13] <macd> someone correct me if Im wrong gam_server is a gnome process I think
[02:14] <nikita> macd: but i have "KDE components" thing in system settings =8
[02:14] <nikita> macd: and i was sure that that's a kde, this label is everywhere =)
[02:14] <raphink> eightiesk: did you go to the Theme manager in kcontrol?
[02:15] <macd> yeah, gam_server is needed
[02:15] <macd> but it shouldnt be eating your CPU up like that, I assume youve upgraded all packages to latest?
[02:17] <macd> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:17] <nikita> nikita: yes i did :) oh, i think i find the root of the problem. the output plugins in amarok
[02:17] <nikita> macd: if i change them
[02:17] <macd> it plays correctly?
[02:18] <macd> but then you might not be able to change the volume :P
[02:18] <nikita> macd: no it doesn't. now it's smooth, but there is also some kind of noise now =/
[02:18] <macd> hmmm, what did you change it to?
[02:19] <nikita> macd: i had alsasink and i changed it to osssink =8
[02:19] <macd> oss is great as well
[02:19] <macd> I use alsalink
[02:20] <nikita> macd: what is the difference?
[02:21] <eightiesk> raphink, there is no theme manager for some reason.
[02:21] <owner> nikita with oss you cant share sound between apps
[02:21] <raphink> eightiesk: are you in kcontrol?
[02:22] <eightiesk> ya
[02:22] <nikita> owner: awww. it's so complicated in here =)
[02:22] <raphink> eightiesk: appearance section?
[02:22] <eightiesk> oh i found it
[02:22] <raphink> eightiesk: i mean look & feel
[02:22] <owner> lol
[02:22] <owner> well alsa can mix sound but oss doesnt do it very well
[02:23] <owner> arts can mix as well
[02:23] <macd> theres not much use for that for avg users.
[02:23] <macd> rather than confusing them, let them use what they have working :)
[02:23] <owner> but then they might wonder why they cant hear any sound from a website while listening to music
[02:24] <nikita> so if i have oss stuff working, i cannot here other sounds? =/
[02:24] <owner> you try it nikita
[02:24] <owner> open xmms and amarok together
[02:24] <nikita> owner: hope i won't kill it =)))
[02:24] <owner> lol
[02:24] <macd> ehh, websites have sound?
[02:25] <macd> oh yeah those dammed flash sites.
[02:26] <nikita> macd, owner: okey, i found the solution. i just use XMMS with that OSS thing and forget about amarok ;D thanks a lot, guys.
[02:26] <macd> hehe
[02:26] <owner> but xmms has no eye candy
[02:27] <owner> :P
[02:27] <macd> amarok has such nice collection catalogging and playlist stuff
[02:27] <macd> not to mention support for last.fm
[02:27] <owner> lyrics
[02:27] <owner> etc
[02:27] <owner> but xmms is much lighter and more stable
[02:27] <owner> usually
[02:27] <tristanmike_> amarok if freakin beautiful, it makes me wanna cray
[02:27] <tristanmike_> *cry
[02:27] <nikita> macd: but i can't make it working. i'm not a guru yet ;)
[02:27] <nikita> tristanmike_: =))
[02:28] <owner> nikita which backend are you using for amarok
[02:28] <owner> gstreamer, xine, artsd
[02:28] <macd> I keep my amarok collection catalog in pgsql db, so it can be sserver to a webpage
[02:28] <macd> :)
[02:28] <macd> gstreamer I think she said
[02:28] <macd> he/she
[02:28] <owner> or try xine
[02:28] <tristanmike_> I love, that's _love_ the fade on stop
[02:29] <superbnerb> as a intermediatbie.. to linux, i can't make xmms play a CD
[02:29] <superbnerb> stupid i know
[02:30] <nikita> owner: gstreamer
[02:30] <nikita> macd: i am me
[02:30] <owner> sudo apt-get install gstreamer-engines will install all gstreamer backends
[02:30] <nikita> macd: =)
[02:32] <nikita> owner: yay, it works
[02:32] <owner> cool
[02:32] <nikita> owner: the xine engine
[02:32] <nikita> owner: thanks
[02:33] <owner> np :)
[02:34] <macd> now nikita has like 4 frontends for playing media :P
[02:34] <nikita> owner: btw, is it possible to make amarok to show the name of the song in the native language of the song? i have some russian songs, and their names look ugly =)
[02:35] <macd> rename it :)
[02:35] <nikita> macd: aha =)) i don't really care right know because i don't understand how it works yet
[02:35] <nikita> macd: really?? that simple? hehehehhe. 100 songs =8 this is a possible solution
[02:35] <macd> ahi
[02:35] <ClayG> is there anything that can interact with MS publisher files, in the .pub format?
[02:36] <Red_Herring> i think OO2 can
[02:36] <macd> it does.
[02:36] <Red_Herring> e17 is simply amazing
[02:36] <Red_Herring> fast as hell, visually stunning, etc.
[02:36] <Red_Herring> wow
[02:36] <Red_Herring> i am IMPRESSED
[02:36] <macd> nice, I never was a E fan
[02:37] <Red_Herring> its still VERY alpha
[02:37] <macd> like blackbox for lightweight stuff
[02:37] <Red_Herring> its not terribly buggy
[02:37] <Red_Herring> just minor things
[02:39] <eightiesk> how do i change my clock to 12 hour format?
[02:39] <Red_Herring> yup, its definentally alpha
[02:40] <unix_infidel> anyone here running kubuntu dapper?
[02:40] <Red_Herring> was
[02:40] <macd> fourtunatly not.
[02:40] <macd> anymore
[02:40] <Red_Herring> same here
[02:40] <macd> X broke last week so I went back to breezy
[02:40] <Red_Herring> i used the livecd
[02:40] <macd> luckily I keep /home on a seperate partition :)
[02:40] <Red_Herring> but since my touchpad sucked, i went back
[02:41] <poningru> eightiesk: right click on it
[02:41] <unix_infidel> ahh, so it IS as unstable as they say :(
[02:41] <unix_infidel> ubuntu breezy is SUPER slow in fluxbox.
[02:42] <Red_Herring> really?
[02:42] <Red_Herring> im using e17
[02:42] <Red_Herring> its fast
[02:42] <Red_Herring> very fast
[02:42] <unix_infidel> thinking of giving kubuntu a try b/c i like kde a bit better. although things to break more in kde.
[02:42] <unix_infidel> Red_Herring, in breezy
[02:42] <unix_infidel> ?
[02:42] <Red_Herring> yup
[02:42] <macd> ehhh, Linus prefers kde theres something in that.
[02:42] <unix_infidel> Red_Herring, well, things are fast in gnome and slow in flux with .9.12(which is as bleeding edge as ubuntu stable gets)
[02:42] <cyberserver> unix_infidel: I'm using latest kubuntu, with kde 3.5.1, looking fine
[02:43] <karvr> gnome is plain jane boring
[02:43] <cyberserver> no majos crashes, IMO
[02:43] <unix_infidel> cyberserver, latest being.....dapper?
[02:43] <aef> so I want to install mplayer on a fresh install of kubuntu, what do I need to do?
[02:43] <macd> gnome is well, gnome :(
[02:43] <cyberserver> unix_infidel: yep
[02:43] <unix_infidel> how long you been running it?
[02:43] <nikita> macd: do you use a file manager? which is a good one?
[02:43] <aef> unix_infidel: me?
[02:44] <unix_infidel> cyberserver, how long you been running dapper?
[02:44] <aef> ah
[02:44] <cyberserver> unix_infidel: Well... 1h43 minutes.... today :-p
[02:44] <unix_infidel> thinking of just doing kubuntu breezy or dapper over reinstalling regular ubuntu breezy again.
[02:44] <eightiesk> poningru, and then?
[02:44] <unix_infidel> cyberserver, no i mean overall, in months.
[02:44] <unix_infidel> does regular #ubuntu support kubuntu?
[02:45] <macd> I use konq.
[02:45] <Red_Herring> konq
[02:45] <poningru> eightiesk: preferences
[02:45] <poningru> there should be an option in there somewhere
[02:45] <cyberserver> unix_infidel: Yep, I was kidding: I'm testing it for about 2/3 weks now (it's not my main machine). I'm constantly keeping it updated while I'm checking if it will be able to do this, or to do that....
[02:45] <unix_infidel> cyberserver, ahh, not long enough.
[02:46] <eightiesk> yea i just need the format to change it to
[02:46] <eightiesk> :-p
[02:47] <eightiesk> !tell EightiesK about Realplayer
[02:48] <macd> cyberserver: yeah dapper has updates available literaly every hour
[02:49] <_mike_> I double click on /etc/X11/xorg.conf to edit it, it opens in Kate, but after I make my changes and try to save it says I don't have access...how do I open it in Kate as administrator
[02:49] <unix_infidel> is the install disk space heavier with kubuntu than with regular ubuntu?
[02:51] <sampan> _mike_  you need to have root privileges to edit that file.  open a konsole and type: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf   ... that will do it (after you type in your password)
[02:51] <_mike_> thank you sampan...what is the difference between kdesu and sudo?
[02:51] <eightiesk> !Azureus
[02:51] <ubotu> I guess azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[02:51] <sampan> _mike_  kdesu is for GUI applications.
[02:52] <_mike_> thank you
[02:52] <sampan> sudo is for konsole applications
[02:52] <sampan> sure, np :)
[02:52] <_mike_> (how do you make the type red like that?)
[02:52] <sampan> that's just your irc client's "highlighting" my lines whenever i type your nick
[02:52] <sampan> _mike_ the line above wasn't red, but this one will be
[02:52] <_mike_> sampan , you see this red?
[02:52] <sampan> yep :)
[02:52] <_mike_> awesome!
[02:52] <_mike_> i'm easily amused
[02:53] <sampan> lol :D
[02:53] <sampan> learning new things is always fun :D
[02:53] <cyberserver> _mike_: LOLOL
[02:53] <_mike_> i'm also linux retarded
[02:53] <_mike_> so bear with me
[02:53] <sampan> everyone was new once
[02:54] <aef> !Mplayer
[02:54] <ubotu> mplayer is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[02:57] <Red_Herring> whats the osx bar for e17?
[02:57] <Red_Herring> anyone?
[02:59] <_mike_> goodnight my helpful friends
[02:59] <Red_Herring> gnite
[02:59] <_mike_> sorry i can't help you Red_Herring...but i did claim my Linux retarded-ness about 5 linus up
[03:00] <Red_Herring> thats ok
[03:01] <Red_Herring> anyone else?
[03:05] <Red_Herring> anyone gonna bother answering me?
[03:05] <Red_Herring> whats the osx dock for e17?
[03:06] <callie> Red_Herring, not with that attitude we wont
[03:06] <callie> Red_Herring, you know how to google dont you?
[03:06] <Red_Herring> well, its not that hard for someone here just to answer me
[03:06] <sampan> it's hard if they don't know the answer
[03:06] <callie> or dont know
[03:06] <sampan> silence in a help channel usually means: no one knows
[03:07] <callie> i found it in 2 seconds on google
[03:07] <callie> i dont see why people should be so lazy they cant do a bit of research themselves
[03:07] <Red_Herring> engage
[03:07] <Red_Herring> sorry
[03:07] <Red_Herring> that was it
[03:08] <callie> ps Red_Herring try #ubuntu next time, this is #kubuntu, mainly KDE users here
[03:08] <Red_Herring> so...
[03:08] <Red_Herring> #ubuntu is mainly gnome users
[03:09] <Red_Herring> it was just a question
[03:09] <callie> oh yeah sorry, you wanted enlightenment
[03:09] <Red_Herring> i was annoied becasue no one was bothering to aknowlage that i had said something
[03:09] <callie> aaaaaaaaaaaaaw
[03:10] <callie> didums
[03:10] <callie> mummy will kiss it better im sure
[03:10] <callie> :P
[03:10] <Red_Herring> does anyone here have kick privs?
[03:10] <callie> pft
[03:10] <Red_Herring> privilages
[03:10] <Red_Herring> permissions
[03:11] <Red_Herring> whatever
[03:11] <callie> Does anyone here have a sense of humour?
[03:11] <sampan> ME! ME!
[03:11] <callie> YAY!
[03:11] <Red_Herring> its kinda hard to tell sarcasm on IRC
[03:11] <Red_Herring> i cant tell if you were being serious or kidding
[03:11] <callie> its easy, get off the high horse, open a beer and relax a little
[03:11] <Red_Herring> about that beer thing...
[03:12] <Red_Herring> not when you are my age
[03:12] <Red_Herring> how old is everyone here?
[03:12] <sampan> 35
[03:12] <callie> sixty twelve
[03:12] <Red_Herring> nice
[03:12] <Red_Herring> 6012, wow
[03:12] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[03:12] <callie> nomasteryoda, sixty twelve
[03:13] <callie> huh?
[03:13] <callie> that should have been, No, sixty twelve
[03:13] <callie> lol
[03:13] <hatake_kakashi> Red_Herring: I'm as old as when this universe was born :P
[03:13] <Red_Herring> nice
[03:13] <callie> hatake_kakashi, when this universe was born time didnt exist
[03:13] <Red_Herring> i was old when the universe repo was born
[03:13] <Red_Herring> but thats not saying mutch
[03:13] <Red_Herring> !e17
[03:14] <callie> how old are you Red_Herring ?
[03:14] <hatake_kakashi> callie: too bad, I invented it :p
[03:14] <Red_Herring> i plead the 5th
[03:14] <callie> hatake_kakashi, cool i got somethings i need to take up with you then
[03:14] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[03:14] <callie> oh jeeze
[03:15] <hatake_kakashi> if I was as old as the universe, what do you think I was? lol :P
[03:15] <Red_Herring> do you mean invincible or invulnerable?
[03:16] <hatake_kakashi> Red_Herring: either or both.. they almost mean the same thing anyway.. well under the thesaurus
[03:16] <hatake_kakashi> callie: you can't kill me :p
[03:16] <callie> i just did
[03:16] <hatake_kakashi> that has got no effect on me
[03:16] <callie> lol
[03:16] <hatake_kakashi> I'm immune to everything.. thus if you kill me, everyone would be dead :p
[03:17] <callie> that makes no sense
[03:17] <hatake_kakashi> everyone, everything
[03:17] <hatake_kakashi> I'm the 'space' :P
[03:17] <callie> you're the space between your ears :P
[03:17] <hatake_kakashi> no :p
[03:17] <hatake_kakashi> that's you
[03:17] <callie> nice comeback
[03:18] <Red_Herring> im rj
[03:18] <Red_Herring> oooo
[03:18] <Red_Herring> take that
[03:18] <callie> rj?
[03:18] <Red_Herring> yup
[03:18] <Red_Herring> thats my name
[03:18] <callie> oh
[03:18] <callie> ralph jessy?
[03:18] <callie> roger jimbob?
[03:19] <sampan> Ruald Jacob
[03:19] <hatake_kakashi> I've been saying that I've been around when the universe was created :P do you think I would be a small little midget as you mentioned? if that was the case, I'd be alot younger than what I said :p
[03:19] <hatake_kakashi> Rick James
[03:19] <callie> rick jehova?
[03:19] <callie> hatake_kakashi, no one called you a midget
[03:19] <hatake_kakashi> callie: if I were the space between my ears :p
[03:20] <Red_Herring> "we were around when the earth was created... 5000 years ago, by God himself.  <mumble prair> "
[03:20] <Red_Herring> simpsons
[03:20] <callie> hatake_kakashi, that expression meant the lacks of brains you portray, clearly illustrated by the fact you didnt even understand the statement
[03:21] <hatake_kakashi> callie: well let it be, for that I'm in a good mood today :p
[03:22] <callie> hatake_kakashi, you dont make much sense do you? does anyone else follow this guy?
[03:22] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[03:22] <grim76> Even the fractured have their moments of lucidity
[03:23] <callie> yeah but most of the time they just suck
[03:23] <grim76> lol
[03:23] <hatake_kakashi> 'suck' is a nice word :p
[03:23] <hatake_kakashi> so "To err is not human"? :P
[03:25] <callie> oooooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
[03:25] <callie> sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo anyway
[03:25] <callie> kubuntu is nice
[03:25] <callie> its all linuxy n stuff
[03:26] <grim76> lol
[03:26] <Red_Herring> callie: how long have you used linux?
[03:26] <callie> i've found pockets of linuxy bits all over it
[03:26] <callie> bout 4 years on and off Red_Herring
[03:26] <grim76> I have yet to hear it referred to as linuxy
[03:26] <callie> well you just did grim76
[03:26] <sampan> twice even
[03:26] <Red_Herring> i actually dissagree with its linuxyness
[03:26] <grim76> That I did lol
[03:27] <Red_Herring> personally i think slackware is more linuxy than kubuntu
[03:27] <callie> i can ogg a recording of it for you if you like grim76
[03:27] <grim76> lol
[03:27] <callie> Red_Herring, thats the beauty of kubuntu, enough linux to perform but not so much as to confuse
[03:28] <Red_Herring> i know
[03:28] <Red_Herring> so technically its the perfect amount of linuxness
[03:28] <callie> if you want to be technical
[03:28] <Red_Herring> thats why i use it all the time, unlike the people at school who like "suse"
[03:28] <Red_Herring> damn suse
[03:29] <callie> im getting a free sun workstation soon
[03:29] <callie> should be interesting
[03:29] <callie> get to check out solaris
[03:31] <Red_Herring> booooooo
[03:31] <callie> boo?
[03:31] <Red_Herring> dont use solaris unless you have a sun computer
[03:31] <Red_Herring> its really nothing special
[03:31] <hatake_kakashi> lol
[03:31] <grim76> Would still be interesting to try out.
[03:31] <Red_Herring> plus the hardware support sucks
[03:31] <Red_Herring> ok, whatever
[03:31] <callie> Red_Herring, scroll up
[03:31] <sobepmp> bsd>linux
[03:32] <Red_Herring> oh
[03:32] <Red_Herring> wow
[03:32] <Red_Herring> my bad
[03:32] <callie> lol
[03:32] <callie> blindo, put on your specs dude!
[03:32] <Red_Herring> sorry
[03:32] <Red_Herring> i have contacts
[03:32] <callie> eheheheee
[03:32] <callie> ok
[03:32] <Red_Herring> im just getting lost in teh e17 desktops
[03:33] <callie> enlightenment was what first enticed me to linux
[03:33] <Red_Herring> huh
[03:33] <callie> back in the e16 days
[03:34] <callie> im a desktop user, not a programmer or anything so functionality and eye candy are my needs, along with security of course
[03:35] <Red_Herring> im not a developer, but i still find e17 facinating
[03:36] <callie> tis a great wm
[03:36] <callie> if a little power hungry
[03:39] <Red_Herring> nah
[03:39] <Red_Herring> e17 is smaller and less cpu intenseive than kde
[03:45] <bushito> !kde
[03:45] <ubotu> I guess kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[03:45] <bushito> !kde3.5
[03:45] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[03:46] <sobepmp> !fluxbox
[03:46] <ubotu> somebody said fluxbox was a lightweight window manager.  Installation instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fluxbox.  More information at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net
[03:46] <sobepmp> !hackedbox
[03:46] <ubotu> sobepmp: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:46] <bushito> lol
[03:59] <bushito> !wav
[03:59] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, bushito
[04:05] <_grigory> /server irc.dalnet.com
[04:05] <_grigory> ouch
[04:11] <omar> l
[04:19] <viqas> theres no gimp in kubuntu!
[04:19] <Red_Herring> not by default
[04:19] <viqas> well
[04:20] <viqas> i cant install the OS, im running the live cd
[04:20] <Red_Herring> but krita is basically gimp in 1 window
[04:20] <mikonian> why does firefox 1.5 not look like the opther KDE apps i have installed?
[04:20] <viqas> no krita =/
[04:20] <Red_Herring> because it was written in gtk+
[04:21] <Red_Herring> and kde is written in qt
[04:21] <mikonian> how can i fix it?
[04:21] <fubar9> download a new theme
[04:21] <viqas> mikonian: by using konqueror
[04:21] <mikonian> i don't want to
[04:22] <mikonian> i have gtk styles and fonts installed in system settings -> appearance
[04:22] <mikonian> use kde style and fonts in gtk apps both selected
[04:22] <mikonian> any help?
[04:25] <mikonian> and how do i get my mouse cursor to match?
[04:27] <mikonian> hello?
[04:29] <mikonian> red trout, can you help?
[04:31] <fatejudger> are you guys helping Dapper users out?
[04:31] <fatejudger> because I had a couple of questions
[04:34] <fatejudger> perhaps I should ask anyway
[04:34] <fatejudger> what package do I need to support my ATI card?
[04:34] <bushito> !ati
[04:34] <ubotu> [ati]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[04:35] <fatejudger> does this apply to Dapper?
[04:38] <owner> yes but ati drivers have some incompatibilties with 2.6.15 and latest xorg
[04:38] <owner> the rage3d forums are a good place to check out
[04:38] <owner> the linux section
[04:44] <Delvien> hey guys maybe you know this one.. Whats a good way to remove all of KDE from your system?
[04:45] <fatejudger> remove kubuntu-desktop
[04:45] <Delvien> didnt remove all of KDE
[04:45] <fatejudger> well it should have
[04:45] <fatejudger> unless you installed other programs
[04:45] <unix_infidel> maybe though apt?
[04:45] <fatejudger> shouldn't make a difference
[04:45] <superbnerb> why would u remove KDE from K-ubuntu?
[04:45] <fatejudger> adept just uses the apt libraries
[04:46] <unix_infidel> adept?
[04:46] <fatejudger> probably because he had Ubuntu
[04:46] <unix_infidel> kubuntu doesnt use apt?
[04:46] <Delvien> im running Ubuntu . and made the mistake of trying out KDE again.
[04:46] <eightiesk> hey
[04:46] <fatejudger> unix_infidel: yes, it does
[04:46] <fatejudger> unix_infidel: adept == synaptic
[04:46] <superbnerb> lol, ouch.  i find kde 3.5 too buggy too right now
[04:46] <superbnerb> i'm using xfce
[04:46] <fatejudger> Delvien: KDE is great
[04:46] <unix_infidel> wow....ok i'm a debian n00b, been with archlinux for a while now.
[04:47] <eightiesk> !azureus2
[04:47] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, eightiesk
[04:47] <unix_infidel> and i find the deb based package mangement structure and configuration methods kinda....odd.
[04:47] <fatejudger> what is wrong with 3.5?
[04:47] <eightiesk> !azureus
[04:47] <ubotu> I guess azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[04:47] <fatejudger> there are hardly any bugs to speak of
[04:47] <unix_infidel> fatejudger, you run dapper?
[04:47] <unix_infidel> on kubuntu?
[04:47] <fatejudger> I just installed it
[04:47] <eightiesk> hye ne1 know why this program won't install?
[04:47] <fatejudger> had to format my computer so I figured I try it out
[04:47] <owner> unix_infidel how do you find archlinux
[04:47] <Delvien> Anyone else know of a way to uninstall all of KDE?
[04:47] <unix_infidel> ahh, i have yet to find anyone who ran dapper for a while now and has to report minimal problems
[04:47] <owner> delvien there is a thread on the forums
[04:47] <eightiesk> owner, its like the deb file ain't no good.
[04:48] <fatejudger> unix_infidel: dapper has problems
[04:48] <owner> which program eightiesk?
[04:48] <fatejudger> unix_infidel: but that's because it's so young
[04:48] <owner> debian sid/dapper is under heavy development
[04:48] <nikita> i have a problem with videocard (i think so). this http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot10fg.png happens to me from time to time. i tried to install some applications for NVIDIA cards, but still have these things on my screen sometimes. does anybody have any suggestions how to fix that? thanks =)
[04:48] <owner> just updating it is like downloading a new cd
[04:48] <unix_infidel> owner, archlinux is STILL my choice for desktop....
[04:48] <unix_infidel> i'm trying ubuntu / kubuntu on the laptop to see if i can jive with deb based stuff.
[04:49] <unix_infidel> if i can, its going on the server too, if not, kubuntu on the laptop....well b/c it fucking works...
[04:49] <owner> what seems faster more stable unix_infidel
[04:49] <unix_infidel> and freebsd on the server.
[04:49] <eightiesk> azureus i followed the tut to the t and it didn't work.
[04:49] <unix_infidel> owner, obviously archlinux.  but its not meant to JIVE with all your hardware or be totally easy all the time....
[04:52] <eightiesk> :-p
[04:53] <unix_infidel> how long does it usually take yall to boot up kubuntu...specs?
[04:54] <owner> nikita did you install the nvidia drivers?
[04:54] <unix_infidel> preferably responses from laptop users.
[04:54] <nikita> owner: yes
[04:54] <nikita> owner: the ones i got from adept
[04:55] <nikita> owner: if they are called "drivers" =) i have never used linux befor. heh
[04:55] <owner> i just call them drivers lol
[04:56] <owner> if you type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:56] <owner> and select nvidia
[04:56] <eightiesk> it don't work in suse
[04:56] <eightiesk> :-(
[04:56] <eightiesk> sadly
[04:56] <owner> eighties you are using suse now
[04:57] <eightiesk> well i tryed it last ngith
[04:57] <eightiesk> it did the
[04:58] <eightiesk> XIO fatal error on me.
[04:58] <eightiesk> and nothing worked.
[04:58] <eightiesk> lol
[04:58] <eightiesk> i tryed Fedora core last night 2
[04:58] <eightiesk> FC4
[04:58] <owner> thats the redhat based distro
[04:59] <eightiesk> yea
[04:59] <owner> its hard for me to try any non debian distro
[04:59] <eightiesk> it worked fine
[04:59] <owner> because i would have to learn all the commands
[04:59] <sabaki> i sure need help... i can't get music cdroms to play... if they are supposed to automount or something, it isn't working. Can any of y'all help me out here?
[04:59] <eightiesk> but i missed adept
[04:59] <nikita> owner: oooooops. i screwed everything =/ heh. one more try
[05:00] <owner> you can press enter to most questions in sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg nikita
[05:00] <eightiesk> i want azureus lol
[05:01] <eightiesk> the tut gives me a
[05:01] <nikita> owner: i guess i restart now =)
[05:02] <owner> eightiesk i might have good news
[05:02] <owner> but let me try it first
[05:04] <eightiesk> k
[05:04] <eightiesk> :-)\
[05:06] <owner> i got latest azureus to work after converting an rpm to deb
[05:06] <owner> but it didnt create menus for me
[05:06] <owner> but i ran it from /usr/bin/azureus
[05:06] <owner> and it loaded
[05:06] <eightiesk> uhhh ...
[05:07] <eightiesk> i fixed it.,
[05:07] <eightiesk> i ran it as --install instead of just -i
[05:07] <eightiesk> it worked.
[05:08] <eightiesk> how do i tell what packages i have installed?
[05:08] <nikita> owner: it looks alright... yet =) hope that was the medicine. thanks a lot!
[05:10] <owner> np nikita
[05:10] <owner> you usually have to run that command when updating video card related issues
[05:11] <dmalopsy> list
[05:11] <nikita> owner: i'm writing that down =)
[05:14] <eightiesk> are there ne other desktops besides gnome and kde?
[05:14] <soleman> I'm trying to get ndiswrappers working with dapper.  how do I force it to install ndiswrapper-utils?
[05:14] <owner> what about xfce eighties
[05:15] <eightiesk> whats that like?
[05:15] <owner> its pretty ok
[05:15] <owner> good for slower computers
[05:15] <owner> there is also fluxbox
[05:15] <owner> but it has to be setup
[05:16] <owner> a bit
[05:16] <eightiesk> my brother has a 1999 pc with 10 gb hdd lol
[05:16] <eightiesk> i should put it on there.
[05:16] <owner> hmm lol
[05:16] <owner> what speed is the cpu
[05:16] <eightiesk> 600mhz
[05:16] <eightiesk> lool
[05:17] <owner> yeah xfce would be good for that
[05:17] <owner> 64mb?
[05:17] <eightiesk> ya
[05:18] <eightiesk> i gotta friend who runs suse and he told me ubuntu was a POS Distro i dunno its ok i guess.
[05:18] <owner> suse has more gui tools
[05:18] <owner> for setting up everything
[05:18] <eightiesk> ya
[05:19] <owner> but ubuntu is pretty decent
[05:19] <eightiesk> but yet it won't take my nvidia card
[05:19] <eightiesk> its not a config error
[05:19] <eightiesk> there is no driver for it in suse.
[05:20] <eightiesk> this is actually my 4td day on linux.
[05:20] <eightiesk> lol
[05:20] <eightiesk> and if my printer worked on here i'd get rid of windows completly.
[05:23] <gamma> so how often are packages updated in kubuntu?
[05:23] <gamma> gentoo there was about 10 apps to compile daily..
[05:24] <fatejudger> which driver do I use for my ATI card in Dapper?
[05:24] <fatejudger> the driver that used to be used is no longer in the repos
[05:24] <fatejudger> or at least I can't find it
[05:26] <owner> gamma if you use breezy there arent that many updates
[05:26] <owner> ubotu tell fatejudger about ati
[05:26] <gamma> which one is the one that's updated a lot?
[05:26] <gamma> dapper?
[05:27] <owner> yes
[05:27] <owner> but you can still use kde 3.5 with breezy
[05:27] <fatejudger> owner: I already know abotu that guide
[05:27] <gamma> yea that's what i'm doing now
[05:27] <fatejudger> *about
[05:27] <fatejudger> owner: that guide doesn't apply to Dapper
[05:27] <fatejudger> owner: the driver is different in Dapper
[05:27] <gamma> can i switch to dapper from breezy? like just put the repositories in and update everything?
[05:28] <fatejudger> gamma: doubt it
[05:28] <owner> fatejudger in fact its even possible to convert the fglrx rpm to a deb file
[05:28] <owner> thats what the kanotix script does for ati drivers
[05:28] <fatejudger> first of all, rpms to deb is bad
[05:28] <fatejudger> that causes some package breakage
[05:28] <fatejudger> especially with a package as critical as the ATI drivers
[05:28] <fatejudger> second, something like that will break Dapper
[05:29] <fatejudger> it needs to work with the current implementation
[05:29] <fatejudger> I just wish that Riddell was on or something
[05:29] <owner> it doesnt break dapper
[05:29] <owner> but it depends if you are using xorg 6.9 or kernel 2.6.15
[05:29] <owner> because they both have problems with ati fglrx drivers
[05:30] <owner> check out the rage3d forums in linux section
[05:31] <fatejudger> it says that I have the "ati" driver installed right now
[05:31] <owner> thats not the same as fglrx
[05:32] <owner> ati is the open source version
[05:32] <gamma> so what's stopping me from upgrading to dapper? gentoo was always the latest version..
[05:32] <owner> dapper is under development
[05:32] <owner> breezy is stable
[05:32] <owner> it will be released in april
[05:33] <bushito> Hentai^XP: hey!!
[05:34] <Hentai^XP> hi
[05:37] <gamma> owner: but i can just switch to dapper later right?
[05:38] <dbglt> hi all
[05:38] <fatejudger> gamma: I haven't noticed very many bugs in Dapper so far
[05:38] <fatejudger> gamma: it's pretty usable
[05:38] <gamma> fatejudger: where can i find a guide to switch? i like bleeding edge :P
[05:38] <fatejudger> gamma: Adept is a bit flaky
[05:38] <bushito> Hentai^XP: HEY!!
[05:38] <dbglt> I have a friend who recently installed kubuntu, and does not know how to use an ethernet adsl modem under linux (I have no idea either). Is there a tool with kubuntu that can be used to assist?
[05:38] <dbglt> or a nice guide?
[05:39] <fatejudger> gamma: if you currently have Breezy I think you can dist-upgrade
[05:39] <fatejudger> !dapper
[05:39] <ubotu> dapper is, like, The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. Release date April 20, 2006. Not before. It is NOT ready for use.  Use it at your _own_ risk, when it breaks you need to be able to fix it yourself.
[05:39] <Hentai^XP> sup bushito
[05:39] <bushito> heheheh Hentai^XP can you help me with an error?
[05:39] <fatejudger> gamma: there you go, the scary disclaimer
[05:39] <Hentai^XP> probably not but whats up?
[05:40] <fatejudger> gamma: If you don't have much to back up on your partition you can always do a fresh install from the Flight 3 CD
[05:40] <dbglt> is there a kde application, or kubuntu one? I know suse's YaST can do it
[05:40] <dbglt> and fedora also has a config tool
[05:40] <gamma> fatejudger: i'll just wait until april i guess and do a dist-upgrade
[05:40] <gamma> i just spent all yesterday getting everything working
[05:40] <fatejudger> gamma: probably smart if you don't want anything breaking
[05:40] <gamma> i made a seperate /home partition for easy of upgrade though
[05:41] <fatejudger> wow, Adept is REALLY flaky
[05:41] <fatejudger> but it's pretty damn spiffy now
[05:41] <gamma> what's new about it?
[05:41] <fatejudger> progress bars
[05:41] <fatejudger> whole new search options
[05:41] <gamma> does it still have the command line when you apt-get?
[05:41] <fatejudger> yeah, it's command line + progress bar
[05:41] <fatejudger> it's cleaner
[05:41] <fatejudger> it has tag filters
[05:42] <owner> whats wrong with synaptic?
[05:42] <fatejudger> owner: GTK
[05:42] <gamma> kde people here :D
[05:42] <fatejudger> owner: that's what's wrong with it
[05:42] <owner> synaptic is superior to kynaptic
[05:42] <owner> or kpackage
[05:42] <gamma> fatejudger: everything works great here @ breezy except i can't get my lidswitch working..
[05:42] <gamma> and the nvidia drivers prevent me from hibernating
[05:42] <fatejudger> I just found the ATI driver for that howto
[05:43] <fatejudger> apparently it didn't change in Dapper
[05:43] <gamma> and x locks up every now and then probably cuz of nvidia
[05:44] <bushito> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:44] <bushito> and i dont even got xfree =/
[05:44] <eightiesk> !divx
[05:44] <ubotu> methinks restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[05:44] <dbglt> is there no way to set up a network, using a GUI, under kubuntu?
[05:44] <fatejudger> dbglt: system settings?
[05:44] <dbglt> fatejudger: where?
[05:45] <fatejudger> KMenu -> System Settings -> Network
[05:45] <fatejudger> dbglt: what exactly do you want to edit?
[05:46] <dbglt> fatejudger: my friend has an ethernet modem that he wants to set up
[05:46] <dbglt> fatejudger: it is meant to be "easy", but I'm finding it difficult...
[05:46] <dbglt> I've never dealt with this before
[05:46] <fatejudger> dbglt: you mean a NIC card?
[05:46] <fatejudger> dbglt: it is easy
[05:46] <gamma> is there a good wifi manager in qt?
[05:46] <fatejudger> dbglt: you put the thing in
[05:46] <dbglt> an adsl modem
[05:46] <dbglt> dunno
[05:46] <dbglt> connected via ethernet port
[05:46] <dbglt> I've never had one... so no idea what to do
[05:46] <fatejudger> gamma: yeah, KWifiManager is pretty good
[05:46] <fatejudger> gamma: you should already have it installed
[05:47] <fatejudger> gamma: under "Internet" in the KMenu
[05:47] <dbglt> fatejudger: what exactly needs to be done? Once it is plugged in and kde is running?
[05:47] <fatejudger> dbglt: enable the interface?
[05:47] <fatejudger> dbglt: if it isn't enabled you should be able to do it in the network settings thing I told you about
[05:47] <gamma> fatejudger: kwifimanager doesn't seem to run dhcp.. it sets the essid, but that's about it.. any idea what i'm doing wrong? 0.o
[05:47] <dbglt> fatejudger: you enable it from within kcontrol?
[05:48] <fatejudger> gamma: you need to run DHCP somewhere else
[05:48] <gamma> why isn't that built into the manager though...
[05:48] <fatejudger> gamma: if you use the default atheros drivers you can do "sudo dhclient ath0"
[05:48] <gamma> yea, i just wanted all gui :P
[05:48] <fatejudger> gamma: I opt for quickness, the CLI is quicker many times
[05:48] <fatejudger> gamma: you can do it in the GUI if you want
[05:48] <gamma> cuz i can just do sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid foo && ifup wlan0
[05:49] <fatejudger> gamma: it's under the network settings somewhere
[05:49] <dbglt> fatejudger: sorry, I'm trying to guide him over the phone and the net! So trying to get it into steps... helping him do a kubuntu install, but I know nothing about networking or modems and such
[05:49] <gamma> if i want cli
[05:49] <fatejudger> dbglt: kcontrol or system settings
[05:49] <fatejudger> dbglt: if you want something more direct you can always just type the command to enable it
[05:50] <fatejudger> dbglt: "sudo ifconfig eth0 up"
[05:50] <dbglt> fatejudger: I don't have a "System Settings"
[05:50] <fatejudger> dbglt: then to get the DHCP "sudo dhclient eth0"
[05:50] <fatejudger> dbglt: you don't have Breezy?
[05:50] <dbglt> fatejudger: I have 5.10 breezy
[05:50] <fatejudger> dbglt: then you have system settings
[05:50] <dbglt> fatejudger: I do not
[05:50] <dbglt> not in the menu :\
[05:50] <fatejudger> dbglt: you must have changed it then
[05:51] <dbglt> hrmm
[05:51] <fatejudger> dbglt: Kcontrol works too
[05:51] <dbglt> ok
[05:51] <fatejudger> dbglt: system settings is just  prettier
[05:51] <cnance> hello
[05:51] <dbglt> fatejudger: aha, I found it, moved into the "Settings" menu. Thanks :)
[05:52] <fatejudger> well that's a damn stupid quote
[05:52] <fatejudger> gamma: use amaroK for audio
[05:52] <fatejudger> gamma: Kaffeine for all other media
[05:52] <dbglt> yeah Kaffeine is nice
[05:52] <fatejudger> gamma: unless you have some particular gripe about them
[05:53] <fatejudger> gamma: amaroK 1.4 is amazing
[05:53] <fatejudger> gamma: I think it's only in SVN though
[05:54] <fatejudger> I'll be right back, I have to restart my computer to get the new ATI drivers working
[05:55] <gamma> does kaffeine have a konqueror embedded movie player thingy?
[05:56] <fatejudger> back
[05:56] <fatejudger> wow, Dapper bootup and shutdown is amazingly fast now
[05:56] <gamma> fatejudger:  does kaffeine have a konqueror embedded movie player thingy?
[05:56] <fatejudger> it was worth the upgrade just for that
[05:56] <fatejudger> gamma: yep
[05:56] <fatejudger> gamma: gotta love Konq
[05:57] <gamma> and you can use multiple engines with it?
[05:57] <fatejudger> gamma: yes
[05:57] <fatejudger> gamma: I use Xine and Gstreamer
[05:57] <gamma> mplayer backend support to hopefully (?)
[05:57] <fatejudger> gamma: make sure it's version 0.7.1
[05:57] <fatejudger> gamma: 0.7.0 won't do you any good, very buggy
[05:57] <fatejudger> !kaffeine
[05:57] <ubotu> fatejudger: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[05:58] <fatejudger> maybe they stuck the package in backports or something
[05:58] <gamma> 7 is all breezy has atm :P
[05:58] <gamma> how hard was it to get everything running with dapper?
[05:58] <fatejudger> gamma: google for the kubuntu package
[05:59] <fatejudger> gamma: it's worth the effort
[05:59] <fatejudger> gamma: the link should be pretty popular
[06:01] <fatejudger> lol
[06:01] <fatejudger> trust me, you'll love the new boot and shutdown times
[06:01] <fatejudger> that has to be the best feature
[06:02] <gamma> do they have the latest nvidia driver?
[06:03] <fatejudger> I know they still have nvidia-glx
[06:03] <gamma> is it 7776?
[06:03] <fatejudger> I'm sure it's somewhere around the latest
[06:03] <fatejudger> do you want me to check?
[06:04] <gamma> if you don't mind :P
[06:04] <fatejudger> 8178
[06:04] <fatejudger> unless that's a number that applies to something else
[06:04] <fatejudger> it says "1.0.8178+2.6.15.4-3
[06:04] <fatejudger> "
[06:04] <fatejudger> I know the other half is the kernel version
[06:05] <fatejudger> so I'm assuming the 8178 refers to the driver
[06:05] <gamma> oho
[06:05] <fatejudger> they also have legacy drivers too
[06:05] <gamma> yea that's the latest.. coolness
[06:05] <fatejudger> 7174
[06:05] <fatejudger> the nice thing about non-final release is the constant package updating
[06:06] <fatejudger> you get the latest and greatest of EVERYTHING
[06:06] <fatejudger> and being a programmer and linux enthusiast myself, that's just pretty damn cool
[06:09] <fatejudger> I need to restart X, brb
[06:17] <fatejudger> this resolution is just amazing
[06:17] <fatejudger> 1920x1200
[06:18] <gamma> what monitor do you have to do that?
[06:18] <gamma> i'm doing 1600x1200 no widescreen
[06:19] <fatejudger> Dell 24 inch widescreen LCD
[06:19] <gamma> oho nice
[06:20] <fatejudger> I can't stand how slow digg is in Konq
[06:20] <fatejudger> it's a shame
[06:20] <fatejudger> they must be using some pretty flaky browser-specific code somewhere on that page
[06:22] <gamma> wikipedia is very fast in konq so im happy
[06:22] <gamma> firefox it takes ages to render
[06:22] <fatejudger> most websites are
[06:22] <fatejudger> but that's because wikipedia uses standards compliant code
[06:22] <fatejudger> overall, the KHTML engine is much faster than the Gecko engine
[06:22] <gamma> yea
[06:22] <gamma> scrolling on pages with images is a lot faster in konq
[06:22] <fatejudger> at least Apple seems to think so, they use it in Safari after all
[06:25] <gamma> so what is dapper doing differently to make booting faster?
[06:28] <dbglt_> fatejudger: hi there. My friend enabled eth0 with the ifconfig up command
[06:28] <dbglt_> fatejudger: and tried the DHCP but it didn't work
[06:30] <dab> hi
[06:30] <fatejudger> dbglt_: he tried "sudo dhclient eth0" ?
[06:31] <dbglt_> fatejudger: yes
[06:31] <dbglt_> it said it failed
[06:31] <dbglt_> ah
[06:32] <dbglt_> fatejudger: he tells me it says: "Can't find /etc/resolv.conf"
[06:33] <fatejudger> dbglt_: damn, what the heck did he do?
[06:33] <dbglt_> fatejudger: nothing! he just installed today
[06:33] <fatejudger> dbglt_: I have no idea what resolv.conf does
[06:33] <dbglt_> it is a brand new install
[06:33] <fatejudger> dbglt_: that's really strange
[06:33] <bushito> !ati
[06:33] <fatejudger> Riddell: ping
[06:33] <ubotu> somebody said ati was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:34] <dbglt_> fatejudger: he has a pppoe modem
[06:34] <fatejudger> dbglt_: it looks like resolv.conf has some ISP info in it
[06:35] <fatejudger> dbglt_: he obviously didn't autodetect network stuff when he installed
[06:35] <fatejudger> dbglt_: since he didn't have the NIC card in
[06:35] <dbglt_> fatejudger: can he do that now?
[06:35] <fatejudger> dbglt_: I think there is some network autoconfig script that you can run
[06:35] <fatejudger> dbglt_: I  believe it's the same on the installer runs
[06:35] <fatejudger> dbglt_: how to run it, I have no idea
[06:35] <fatejudger> dbglt_: you might be able to google it
[06:39] <fatejudger> I have no idea how to add this KDE 3.5.1 repo to my sources.list
[06:39] <_dbglt_> fatejudger: eek sorry, isp died
[06:39] <_dbglt_> fatejudger: I'll search for it now
[06:41] <fatejudger> k
[06:42] <_dbglt_> not much luck :)
[06:42] <_dbglt_> considering reinstall everything just to get the networking script going
[06:42] <fatejudger> that would work
[06:47] <_dbglt_> fatejudger: apparently there is a way to do it in ubuntu :\
[06:48] <fatejudger> dbglt_: do what?
[06:48] <fatejudger> dbglt_: if you're talking about running DHCP, you'll get the same error
[06:49] <fatejudger> you should ask in the Ubuntu forums or something
[06:49] <fatejudger> and wait for somebody more knowledeable to comment
[06:50] <fatejudger> it shouldn't be hard to do at all, I just don't really know these things
[06:50] <fatejudger> any knowledge that I have of Linux networking comes from my CCNA experience, which has nothing to do with linux
[06:51] <fatejudger> so definately ask in the ubuntu forums
[06:51] <Gnumatic> Hey folks, I borked X trying to update Hoary to Breezy by first changing the references in /etc/apt/sources.list from hoary to breezy and then trying 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.  I got some error messages and tried messing with the a couple of sources.list and doing various versions of 'apt-get -f godonlyknows' (well, 'dist-upgrade', upgrade, --fix-missing, etc).  I'm missing some 'font fixed', apparently, and a number of things have
[06:52] <Gnumatic> Anyone suggest a vanilla sources.list that might rescue my buns or should I just bite the bullet and reinstall from scratch with a breezy CD?
[06:52] <Tm_T> Gnumatic: no, just backup your xorg.conf and run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" or something like that
[06:53] <unix_infidel> wtf, does fluxbox not get installed in kubuntu?
[06:53] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: not by default, but you can install it easily
[06:53] <Gnumatic> Thanks, Tm_T, I'll give it a shot.
[06:53] <unix_infidel> Tm_T, i got the .deb from the flux wiki.
[06:53] <Tm_T> Gnumatic: known issue, there was some changes in font things
[06:54] <unix_infidel> but it wont install the old version to get the deps b/c ...well here's the errors
[06:54] <unix_infidel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:54] <unix_infidel>   fluxbox: Depends: menu (>= 2.1.19) but it is not installable
[06:54] <unix_infidel>            Depends: libimlib2 but it is not going to be installed
[06:54] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: apt-get install fluxbox
[06:54] <Tm_T> with sudo maybe ;)
[06:54] <unix_infidel> Tm_T, yea....those are the errors i get when i do that.
[06:54] <unix_infidel> :P
[06:54] <Tm_T> what?
[06:55] <Tm_T> lemme check
[06:55] <unix_infidel> above....
[06:55] <unix_infidel> i'm new to deb based stuff, so....but i'm not new to dep hell.
[06:55] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: breezy?
[06:55] <unix_infidel> Tm_T, yea.
[06:56] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: interesting!
[06:57] <unix_infidel> i love when i get an adjective and not a solution :(
[06:58] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[06:58] <unix_infidel> eh?
[06:58] <Tm_T> in sources
[06:59] <unix_infidel> adept doesnt even SHOW fluxbox to install
[06:59] <Tm_T> yes, it's in multiverse repository
[06:59] <Tm_T> universe I mean
[06:59] <Tm_T> ubotu: tell unix_infidel about sources
[06:59] <unix_infidel> hmm, i'm guessing those are repo names that i have to add.
[07:00] <Tm_T> ubotu: tell unix_infidel about easysource
[07:00] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to stick the new 3.5.1 repo in the sources.list file?
[07:00] <Tm_T> fatejudger: easy, add that line to end of your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:00] <fatejudger> yes, but there isn't a line to add
[07:00] <fatejudger> you have to add all of the extra info yourself
[07:01] <fatejudger> like the "deb" at the beginning
[07:01] <Tm_T> errrh
[07:01] <fatejudger> apt says that my line syntax is improper though
[07:01] <Tm_T> add this line: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ ./
[07:01] <Tm_T> copy&paste from topic
[07:02] <Tm_T> so what's the problem?
[07:02] <fatejudger> works great, thanks
[07:02] <Tm_T> hehe
[07:02] <fatejudger> I didn't have the ./ at the end
[07:02] <fatejudger> does that specify the root dir or something?
[07:02] <Tm_T> something like that
[07:02] <gamma> hmm dapper cd failed to burn
[07:02] <gamma> stopped at 200mb
[07:02] <fatejudger> that's weird
[07:02] <gamma> retrying again as root
[07:03] <fatejudger> sure it's not your CD-R?
[07:03] <gamma> dunno if it's a bad iso or what
[07:03] <Tm_T> hehe
[07:03] <gamma> it's an rw, if it happens again i'll try something else
[07:03] <fatejudger> wow, Linus rejected the new GPL
[07:04] <gamma> gpl-3.0? how come?
[07:04] <fatejudger> apparently people have to give out their private keys
[07:04] <Tm_T> fatejudger: where?
[07:04] <fatejudger> http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/01/25/238257
[07:04] <scorp007> Can anyone help me get my mouse working? It stops responding after a short time and I have to either unplug or "modprobe -r usbhid; modprobe usbhid".
[07:06] <fatejudger> why in the hell does Linus use all of the _damned_ _underscored_ _words_ when he writes?
[07:06] <gamma> wow
[07:06] <gamma> he's old school, lots of people do that
[07:06] <fatejudger> lol, some other person on digg said the same thing I did
[07:07] <gamma> why does he write with the _s_?
[07:07] <fatejudger> ?
[07:07] <gamma> scorp007: i'm having mouse issues too.. what type of mouse?
[07:07] <gamma> fatejudger: what did the person say on digg that you said?
[07:07] <fatejudger> I read the overview of the GPL 3 license, and it has some pretty cool features
[07:07] <fatejudger> gamma: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linus_says_no_to_GPLv3
[07:08] <gamma> don't want to open anything atm.. dont want the burn to fail again :P
[07:08] <fatejudger> gamma: no buffer underrun protection?
[07:08] <Tm_T> I do use _underscore_ when I like to _point_ some _important_ words
[07:08] <gamma> i don't trust it.. i'm old school and back in my day we didn't have that
[07:08] <fatejudger> lol
[07:09] <fatejudger> buffer underrun protection is great
[07:09] <Tm_T> gamma: define old school
[07:09] <fatejudger> especially on my Plextor
[07:09] <Tm_T> gamma: pre-90's ?
[07:09] <fatejudger> never had a burn fail due to an empty buffer
[07:09] <gamma> Tm_T: the type of idiot that bought a 1x cdburner and payed through the nose for it
[07:09] <scorp007> gamma: I'm using an MS Intellimouse USB
[07:09] <Tm_T> gamma: that's not oldschool yet
[07:10] <gamma> scorp007: yea that's what I've got now too.. did you try unplugging it and replugging it in? does it work when you do that
[07:10] <Tm_T> gamma: oldschool is if you have 512K ram
[07:10] <gamma> yea i'm still a youngin'
[07:10] <Tm_T> or less
[07:10] <gamma> haha yea that's old school
[07:10] <scorp007> I foudn a better way... sudo modprobe -r usbhid; sudo modprobe usbhid
[07:10] <Tm_T> gamma: and it's still usable way to do things
[07:10] <scorp007> gamma: but thats just a temporary fix because it locks up again after a while
[07:10] <gamma> scorp007: well you're not alone on that issue, it started happening for me recently, so i thought it was the mouse dying
[07:11] <Tm_T> gamma: I'm used to do things with few megs of ram
[07:11] <gamma> hey i don't mind all cli
[07:11] <scorp007> gamma: it works flawlessly in Windows...never had problems like this...
[07:11] <scorp007> gamma: can you pastebin your xorg mouse section?
[07:11] <gamma> probably some buggy piece of software or something
[07:12] <gamma> scorp007: http://home.cfl.rr.com/gamma/linux/xorg.conf was my Gentoo config
[07:12] <gamma> which i used as of 2 days ago, and had issues with
[07:12] <scorp007> gamma: you started having issues two days ago? and before that was fine?
[07:12] <gamma> scorp007: nah i've had issues for a month now
[07:13] <gamma> it seems to happen when stuff is loading i think
[07:13] <gamma> and it doesn't happen all the time
[07:13] <scorp007> yeah..hd activity or something...
[07:13] <gamma> yea!
[07:13] <gamma> i think it's a buggy baselayout or udev..
[07:13] <unix_infidel> Tm_T, i did that...i added archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu......
[07:13] <gamma> that's the only 2 things that could mess it up imo
[07:13] <scorp007> have you tried what I wrote above? (modprobe) and see if it reactivates your mouse rather than unplugging
[07:13] <gamma> my kernel config hasn't changed
[07:14] <gamma> i always unplugged it because i had stuff compiled into the kernel, not modules
[07:14] <gamma> so it was unplug, or reboot
[07:14] <scorp007> ah, ok, I see...
[07:14] <gamma> are you running kubuntu?
[07:14] <scorp007> are you using a fairly new system? yes, I am.
[07:15] <gamma> my system is like 3 years old, but decent to say the least
[07:15] <gamma> p4 3ghz, 512 ram, 60gb hdd, geforce fx 5200
[07:15] <scorp007> is there a way I could get some output for what happens before it dies? I was just wondering if you have usb2.0
[07:15] <gamma> yea usb2.0
[07:15] <gamma> scorp007: dmesg
[07:16] <gamma> scorp007: i had it happen to me in windows once
[07:16] <scorp007> I don't think it has anything out of the ordinary...I can show you, I'm a little noob
[07:16] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: helped?
[07:17] <gamma> windows said the device was malfunctioning and it couldn't read it or something and detected it as a unknown low speed usb device
[07:17] <gamma> use windows more, I bet it'll happen there too :P
[07:18] <scorp007> gamma: I have been using windows for a looooong time...never happened
[07:19] <gamma> did you try using it recently?
[07:19] <scorp007> yes, all week
[07:19] <scorp007> I have dual boot for now
[07:19] <gamma> did you try anything with heavy hard drive useage?
[07:20] <fatejudger> what the hell
[07:20] <fatejudger> what happened to the broken "News" option in Kontact?
[07:21] <gamma> eh?
[07:21] <gamma> 84% of cd burnt
[07:21] <fatejudger> umm, what happend to Kmail?
[07:21] <fatejudger> it's gone
[07:21] <fatejudger> like "poof"
[07:21] <scorp007> gamma: yes...in windows its fine...I can make it hang easily in linux...just move the mouse for a while and it freezes
[07:22] <gamma> scorp007: weird.. maybe you're having a different issue than me then or something.. could be a bug in the kernel code for your usb controller
[07:22] <gamma> weird
[07:23] <scorp007> yeah...not sure...I tried upgrading jkernel and still the same thing...is there any way to get more detailed output for the hid devices?
[07:23] <gamma> i'm sure there is, but dmesg is all i ever use for problems
[07:24] <bushito> !ati
[07:24] <ubotu> ati is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[07:24] <gamma> !nvidia-glx
[07:24] <ubotu> gamma: Huh?
[07:24] <gamma> !nvidia
[07:24] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[07:24] <gamma> haha cool
[07:24] <gamma> !mp3
[07:24] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:24] <fatejudger> what the hell
[07:24] <fatejudger> how the hell am I supposed to read my email now?
[07:25] <bushito> gamma don tplay with ubotu do /msg ubotu "term"
[07:25] <gamma> thunderbird!
[07:25] <fatejudger> screw that
[07:25] <gamma> i just wanted to test :P
[07:25] <fatejudger> firefox and thunderbird are slow
[07:25] <gamma> fatejudger: try reinstalling it
[07:25] <gamma> kmail
[07:25] <fatejudger> and that would help how?
[07:25] <unix_infidel> anyone here running fluxbox with kubuntu and experiencing problems??
[07:25] <bushito> =P dont test in on main chat
[07:25] <gamma> D:
[07:25] <unix_infidel> i think the culprit is fonts, fb seems to run REALLY slow in ubuntu
[07:25] <gamma> alright bbl... dapper test time
[07:25] <gamma> wish me luck :P
[07:27] <unix_infidel> anyone
[07:27] <unix_infidel> ?
[07:28] <scorp007> gamma: this is the only "error" output i get and it seems to be related to the keyboard http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7642
[07:51] <unix_infidel> well, if this matters to anyone running fluxbox with kubuntu......
[07:51] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: ?
[07:51] <unix_infidel> Tm_T, noticed its slow?
[07:51] <Tm_T> nope
[07:51] <unix_infidel> you gotta add something to kdm to get it working faster.
[07:51] <Tm_T> really haven't used it
[07:52] <unix_infidel> lol....yea....i use it mostly....alot.
[07:52] <Tm_T> have to try pekwm today
[07:52] <unix_infidel> its a font issue that needs to be resolved...
[07:52] <Tm_T> unix_infidel: ok, #ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-devel maybe, mailing lists are better though
[07:53] <unix_infidel> Tm_T, lol...i was hoping someone else would do that...mentioned it in fluxbox...some one'll take care of it.
[07:53] <unix_infidel> otherwise, they lose users.
[07:53] <Tm_T> maybe
[07:54] <Tm_T> ok, time to test pekwm ->
[07:54] <phoenixX> can someone point me in the direction of proper sources for kubuntu?  the ones I got from www.ubuntuguide.org don't seem to exist anymore
[08:01] <pundai> hey anyone know why kopete for the kde 35 packages has no messaging networks available to add?
[08:02] <sampan> phoenix, check the link from ubotu (the bot)
[08:02] <sampan> !repositories
[08:02] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:02] <sampan> !easysource
[08:02] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:03] <sampan> that assumes you are using breezy though
[08:08] <dell500> i seem to not be able to get onto my mail through Kontact, the server is right though...
[08:15] <fatejudger> all my KDE programs open up new windows instead of tabs now
[08:15] <fatejudger> is there any way to change that?
[08:16] <_divan> u mean in konqueror?
[08:17] <fatejudger> in every KDE program
[08:17] <fatejudger> it happens in Kopete now
[08:17] <fatejudger> Konq
[08:17] <fatejudger> everything
[08:17] <divansantana> in konq u can set that in web behavior tabbed browsing.
[08:18] <divansantana> dell500 try telnet to ip or hostname space 25, eg telnet blah.blah.com 25, telnet blah.blah.com 110 and see if that works
[08:18] <unix_infidel> what's the ubuntu equivalent of rc.local in gentoo?
[08:19] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: i'm guessing /etc/init.d, why do u need it?
[08:19] <unix_infidel> robotgeek, i dont think you understand what rc.local is.
[08:20] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: i'm guessing for modules stuff?
[08:20] <dell500> gotcha
[08:21] <dell500> just type telnet address port ??
[08:21] <unix_infidel> robotgeek, your thinking rc.conf
[08:21] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: hmm, describe what you need to do, and i might know that answer :)
[08:22] <unix_infidel> http://www.netbsd.org/guide/en/chap-rc.html
[08:23] <dell500> what is the port for smtp servers most of the time?
[08:23] <robotgeek> 25
[08:23] <dell500> and 110 is for pop?
[08:23] <robotgeek> yup
[08:23] <divansantana> dell500 smtp is 25 normally but check in kontact settings
[08:24] <dell500> what's the usual authetication method?
[08:25] <dell500> i'm lookin' on my schools website, but nothin'
[08:25] <robotgeek> dell500: kmail can check for you :)
[08:26] <dell500> it's givin' me bogus ports, like 996 and 425
[08:27] <dell500> i just get "terminated connection immediately"
[08:27] <dell500> kinda crappy...
[08:27] <Chameleon22> is there a way to check system temperature from console?
[08:29] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: most of what i see there is handled by /etc/modules or /etc/init.d
[08:30] <unix_infidel> robotgeek, rc.local is a sort of startup script.
[08:30] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: yes, all startup script are handled in /etc/init.d
[08:30] <unix_infidel> ugh...nvm. ill just wiki this nonsense.....
[08:31] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: man update-rc.d
[08:31] <unix_infidel> robotgeek, nvm....
[08:32] <robotgeek> unix_infidel: maybe i'm just not getting what you need, sorry
[08:32] <unix_infidel> ill figure it out when its not 130am
[08:32] <unix_infidel> :P
[08:32] <unix_infidel> thanks anyway man.
[08:32] <robotgeek> hey, same timezone!
[08:32] <keherman> how do I set KDE to be the default desktop to login with via KDM?
[08:33] <unix_infidel> sessions, do it once, and itll default
[08:33] <keherman> i have a bunmch of users in a lab which will need to login with KDE, not ther old setup of Gnome
[08:33] <keherman> ahh...
[08:33] <keherman> unix_infidel, can they override this?
[08:33] <dell500> robotgeek, i just keep getting "unkown host blah"
[08:33] <robotgeek> dell500: ??
[08:33] <unix_infidel> keherman, ohh, you want them to not be able to get back into gnome?
[08:34] <keherman> unix_infidel, no i want them to be able to
[08:34] <robotgeek> dell500: oh i see, are you running proper kubuntu-desktop ?
[08:34] <keherman> unix_infidel, i just meant, i want KDE to be the first choice, unless the override that choice
[08:35] <keherman> unix_infidel, what file is it specifically, /etc/X11/Xsessions?
[08:35] <Mars^> Hi i have a huge problem
[08:35] <Mars^> I will write something about it
[08:35] <robotgeek> keherman: no files, just select kde, and it will ask you when logging in
[08:36] <keherman> robotgeek, no i want KDE to dbe the default. initially, for 300+ users on the system
[08:36] <keherman> robotgeek, if they select Gnome later on, I dont care -- as long as when this new lab is up and running for the first logins -- they are using KDE and not Gnome
[08:37] <robotgeek> keherman: ah, okay. i think you might want to look into /etc/skel for that. i'm not sure about details
[08:37] <keherman> robotgeek, ok thanks anyway
[08:40] <Marsik^_> I left my PC to give it time for installing kubuntu. And when i woke up kubuntu was installed, but it is really broken- when kubuntu finish loading all modules (loading screen is finished) my screen turns off- it is like the computer is turn off. I had kubuntu some time ago but i had to reinstall it. First two times i tried to install 64 version and I had the same problem- now  am installing i386.
[08:41] <Marsik^_> I dont know what to do now
[08:41] <poningru> hmm
[08:41] <reon> Marsik^_: You need to reconfigure your xorg
[08:42] <poningru> it seems like your vid driver is messed up
[08:42] <poningru> yeah what he said
[08:42] <poningru> when the screen goes blank
[08:42] <poningru> well first of all
[08:42] <Marsik^_> Why when i was inastalling it some time ago , everything was good
[08:42] <poningru> what vid card is it?
[08:42] <reon> Marsik^_: Gimme 5 sec and I'll give you a link to a nice guide
[08:42] <poningru> err do you use?
[08:42] <Marsik^_> nvidia
[08:42] <poningru> hmm thats weird
[08:43] <Marsik^_> maybe I schould watch it not leave for all night :] 
[08:43] <reon> Marsik^_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[08:44] <reon> Marsik^_: Look at the first section, How to reconfigure Xorg
[08:44] <Marsik^_> but how to enter command line if i dont see anythinmg?
[08:46] <reon> Marsik^: There must be a way to enter something from the Grub bootloader
[08:46] <Marsik^_> o
[08:46] <Marsik^_> i forgot
[08:46] <Marsik^_> there is mode command line
[08:46] <Marsik^_> :] 
[08:46] <Marsik^_> Great thanks i will try to do something with it
[08:56] <keherman> where is the KDM config file?
[08:58] <arrinmurr> keherman: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[08:59] <keherman> arrinmurr, thanks dude!
[09:00] <keherman> arrinmurr, is there some setting for KDM to say "globally make users login with KDE, unless they click Gnome for the drop down menu" ?
[09:01] <arrinmurr> keherman: hmm.. sorry, don't know. i don't have gnome.
[09:01] <keherman> arrinmurr, or xfce, whatever
[09:02] <arrinmurr> yeah, well, i have only kde
[09:02] <keherman> arrinmurr, how does KDM know what the "default" loging should be?
[09:02] <keherman> hrmm :-(
[09:02] <arrinmurr> keherman: maybe it remembers what was used the last time (?)
[09:02] <keherman> arrinmurr, hehe i guess ... what if there was no ifrst time :-)
[09:04] <arrinmurr> keherman: heh. have you tried asking in #kde ?
[09:04] <keherman> arrinmurr, no!
[09:04] <keherman> good idead
[09:11] <Tm_T> ubotu: pekwm
[09:11] <ubotu> Tm_T: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[09:11] <Tm_T> ok
[09:37] <reon> ...
[09:38] <matteo> qualcuno sa come togliere la scritto lcd changing dallo schermo?
[09:41] <nalioth> matteo: parle italiano?
[09:41] <matteo> si
[09:41] <nalioth> !it
[09:41] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:41] <Tm_T> nalioth: good morning :)
[09:44] <nalioth> Tm_T: can't sleep
[09:46] <Tm_T> nalioth: same problem here
[09:46] <Tm_T> and should eat something before going to school, if I'm going
[09:46] <nalioth> i gotta be up in ~4 hours to haul a dead car to the shop
[10:01] <Daftdog> mornin
[10:05] <visik7> when I play a video with xine I got a bunch of:
[10:05] <visik7> video_out: throwing away image with pts 64309 because it's too old (diff : 7779).
[10:05] <visik7> and the video is not fluid
[10:05] <visik7> same problem with other installations
[10:05] <visik7> mplayer is ok
[10:17] <dbglt> why doesn't my win key work to pop-up the kmenu?
[10:17] <dbglt> I selected windows shortcuts
[10:18] <dbglt> in kcontrol
[10:25] <dbglt> !kde-3.5
[10:25] <ubotu> dbglt: I haven't a clue
[10:25] <dbglt> !!
[10:25] <ubotu> ??
[10:25] <dbglt> can't remember what it was :p
[10:25] <dbglt> !kde3.5
[10:25] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[10:25] <owner> !easysource
[10:25] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:25] <owner> you can get kde3.5 from easysource too
[10:26] <dbglt> once I get all that
[10:27] <dbglt> it is apt-get dist-upgrade, yeah?
[10:29] <owner> yes
[10:29] <owner> dist-upgrade
[10:29] <owner> you might need to apt-get install -f as well
[10:29] <owner> if it doesnt want to upgrade
[10:29] <owner> but it should all work out
[10:36] <abionnnn> I fixed my acroread problem if anyone is interested
[10:36] <abionnnn> seems to be a conflict with SCIM
[10:39] <dbglt> hi
[10:39] <dbglt> how do I bind
[10:39] <dbglt> my kmenu
[10:39] <dbglt> to my windows key?
[10:39] <dbglt> it isn't letting me
[10:41] <divansantana> hello, Can anyone give me some detailed advice about ltsp in ubuntu!??? Please...
[10:43] <divansantana> I would like to have LTSP with Kubuntu 5.10 but it seems that sound and local devices is still being implemented. Should I rather build it from source??
[10:46] <dbglt> is there a kde frontend to slocate?
[10:51] <divansantana> yes when you open konqueror its there
[10:51] <divansantana> or type straight in the address bar
[10:52] <insanekane> dbglt: locate:
[10:58] <pablet> hello I have breezy on my pc, and it is spending 500 mb ram when I open amarok, kopete and firefox (or something like this)......is it normal??
[10:58] <pablet> why do we say that XP is the perfect OS for spending lots of RAM?
[10:58] <dbglt> pablet: it may not, in fact, be all in use
[10:59] <dbglt> firefox however, is a notorious leaker
[10:59] <dbglt> pablet: the way ram is allocated is often for a read ahead buffer or such: I doubt all of it is in use
[10:59] <pablet> i have seen the used memory with top and ksysguard
[10:59] <dbglt> top is not reliable
[10:59] <dbglt> neither is ksysguard
[11:00] <dbglt> pablet: google search a bit for this. Just because it is shown as used, does not mean it is
[11:00] <dbglt> the only time you should worry about ram, is when you start slowing down due to lack thereof
[11:00] <dbglt> but as I said, I doubt it is all in use
[11:00] <pablet> when you close programs in linux, the memory is freed then or what?
[11:01] <pablet> or it frees the memory of a program on demand?
[11:01] <dbglt> pablet: it really all depends. There are a lot of shared libraries, such as QT and the kdelibs
[11:01] <dbglt> pablet: as many linux programs are quite modular
[11:01] <dbglt> pablet: the memory associated with that program is most likely freed
[11:02] <dbglt> but you really should not be concerned, especially not with top's reporting, in regards to memory usage
[11:02] <pablet> i have read that qt 4 will obtain better ram consumption (about 20-30%)....
[11:02] <pablet> possible?
[11:02] <dbglt> yes
[11:03] <dbglt> it is very possible
[11:03] <pablet> i think its a very high percentage
[11:03] <dbglt> qt and kde are looking a lot at cleaning up code, and efficiency saving measures
[11:03] <dbglt> perhaps, perhaps not. A lot is quite subjective. It depends what you get in terms of features, responsiveness, etc.
[11:03] <pablet> i think everyone is waiting for plasma
[11:03] <dbglt> I believe QT does a pretty damn good job as it is
[11:03] <dbglt> plasma should be most interesting
[11:04] <dbglt> it'll be a wonder to see where aseigo takes it
[11:04] <pablet> i have seen unofficial requirements for windows vista ("2 GB RAM shoulb be enough)
[11:05] <pablet> 2 GB!!!!
[11:06] <dbglt> speculation at this stage
[11:06] <pablet> hey, one more thing, I installed kubuntu, where multimedia packages (kaffeine, amarok, etc.) where configured with gstreamer by default
[11:07] <pablet> but I had to switch to xine engine because gstreamer runs very slow on my laptop (mobile 1.5 with 512 mb ram)
[11:07] <pablet> what about gstreamer? why everybody is adopting this system by default?
[11:09] <pablet> no answer...
[11:09] <pablet> :)
[11:11] <pablet> well, i have to leave......thanks for your answers.....bye!!!
[11:11] <insanekane> pablet: because artsd is not being maintained ... and gstreamer is the best of the rest
[11:11] <pablet> well but
[11:11] <pablet> not very slow?
[11:12] <insanekane> pablet: i know ... i too have problems with gstreamer ... but it should be fixed in kubuntu
[11:12] <insanekane> later
[11:12] <pablet> i have a 1.5 mobile and when i play a song with amarok and gstreamer, my mouse moves slower!!!!
[11:13] <insanekane> pablet: that doesnt happen for me
[11:13] <pablet> i think the best in the future will be gstreamer using alsa
[11:13] <insanekane> pablet: i have athlon 2.8ghz, with 26 MB ram
[11:13] <insanekane> 256
[11:13] <pablet> i have 512 ram
[11:13] <pablet> but gstreamer is not running fine for me
[11:14] <pablet> i think its a bug or something like this
[11:15] <pablet> the other fact I experienced in kubuntu (I am a KDE user since only 6 months ago, I was an XFCE user -new laptop ;D)
[11:16] <pablet> is that apps like kaffeine or konqueror are buggy
[11:16] <pablet> they crash often
[11:16] <pablet> amarok does, too
[11:17] <pablet> (the worst is kaffeine)
[11:17] <hugelmopf> pablet: i cannot confirm amarok crashing often. works fine here (breezy, kde 3.5, amarok 1.3.8)
[11:17] <pablet> its only my problem or you have experienced these bugs too
[11:17] <pablet> amarok not often
[11:18] <pablet> only sometimes when i close amarok from listening an online stream, and reopen it and trying to play the same playlist
[11:18] <pablet> (sorry for my english)
[11:19] <hugelmopf> ok, that's maybe one situation i have not been in.
[11:19] <pablet> hehehe
[11:19] <pablet> 1-0
[11:19] <pablet> ;D
[11:19] <hugelmopf> ;)
[11:19] <pablet> but I have to recognize that amarok is a great program
[11:19] <pablet> and kaffeine too, but kaffeine is more buggy
[11:20] <pablet> ....waiting for plasma
[11:20] <hugelmopf> i never liked kaffeine, but maybe i just missed the great points about it
[11:20] <pablet> which do you preffer?
[11:21] <hugelmopf> for audio amarok, for video something very simple like codeine (wish it would be available as ubuntu package)
[11:21] <hugelmopf> it's a very neat little video player for kde
[11:22] <pablet> I like it because it uses xine engine and has visualizations for audio, has dvd playing support with menus, subtitles,etc. and......well it is a very complete player
[11:22] <pablet> although its buggy and it has to become better in usability and eye candy
[11:23] <hugelmopf> codeine uses xine as well
[11:24] <hugelmopf> but i don't watch dvd's on my laptop a lot, so i can't talk about its dvd features
[11:26] <hugelmopf> i believe amarok uses libvisual for audio visualizations, so in theory it also has visualization
[11:27] <pablet> probably, but i have amarok version 1.3.1.....
[11:28] <pablet> well, good year for linux---> kernel 2.6.15, xorg 7, kde 4.....
[11:28] <pablet> i want to see if xorg 7 improves my video card performance (intel 915gml)
[11:31] <pablet> because I have heard that with the correct driver, games under linux run faster than they do in windows
[11:31] <pablet> but with this driver the games I have played are slower or the same than windows
[11:33] <hugelmopf> i don't have any experience with games
[11:35] <pablet> well, I have to leave, bye!!!!! thanks for the conversation
[11:38] <japet> .  ?
[11:39] <arrinmurr> !ru
[11:39] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. # russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[11:40] <morrow> !utf8
[11:40] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens!, morrow
[11:40] <morrow> :)
[11:50] <burepe> anyone know about a ktorrent error "An error occured whilst loading the torrent file. The most likely cause is that the torrent file is corrupted, or it is not a torrent file at all."?
[12:10] <dbglt> this is most odd
[12:48] <HeadUp`> qui veut un caf ?
[12:48] <burepe> oui
[12:48] <burepe> moi
[01:02] <brosioz> i have add dapper repository to my source.list, now which priority (pin) i need to set to don't upgrade all packages ? i want install only many using -t dapper with apt
[01:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[01:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what linux users use for simple website design? does it exist something like dreamweaver, better if simpler, for linux?
[01:06] <vge> Tallia1Kubuntu: you need wysiwyg?
[01:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[01:06] <vge> then i cant really help
[01:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i find out "nvu" in a forum
[01:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> http://www.trap17.com/index.php/dreamweaver-linux_t29314.html
[01:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> maybe i'll try it
[01:07] <vge> seems as the top google result, ill guess its a good call
[01:08] <thoreauputic> !nvu
[01:08] <ubotu> from memory, nvu is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[01:08] <thoreauputic> !info nvu
[01:08] <ubotu> nvu: (Complete Web Authoring System), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 1.0-0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 8349 kB, Installed size: 26468 kB
[01:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :) i am reading that :)
[01:08] <dbglt> are there any nice gui firewalls for kubuntu? :)
[01:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kind of forgot em :)
[01:08] <thoreauputic> it's in universe ( breezy)
[01:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> thoreauputic: do you know the program?
[01:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is it good?
[01:08] <thoreauputic> dbglt: guarddog
[01:09] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes, I use it occasionally
[01:09] <dbglt> thoreauputic: hrmm
[01:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> tnx a lots
[01:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the last version is 1.0.0 ubuntu 3 right?
[01:09] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: it's really mozilla composer with added features
[01:09] <dbglt> thoreauputic: is there something like zone alarm from windows? In which I can choose which program can get internet access when it asks for it?
[01:09] <dbglt> (I've tried guarddog before, and it doesn't do this)
[01:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> never used mozilla
[01:10] <vge> nvu seems pretty nice when i installed it
[01:10] <thoreauputic> dbglt: not that I know of - linux firewalling is based on iptables
[01:10] <dbglt> aye
[01:10] <dbglt> was wondering if there was anything on an application level
[01:10] <dbglt> rather than packet level
[01:11] <thoreauputic> dbglt: you can set policy in guarddog, IIRC
[01:11] <ijamadar> hi
[01:11] <ijamadar> i need a small help
[01:11] <thoreauputic> ie allow ssh or ftp etc
[01:11] <ijamadar> hmm
[01:12] <dbglt> aye, I know of that. What I seek is something on the application level: so if a program I have never seen before tries to make a http request, I can choose whether to bar or accept it
[01:12] <ijamadar> i want to patch patch-2.6.15-ck2.bz2 to mm-fix_kswapd_inherit_prio.patch????
[01:12] <ijamadar> whts the commands
[01:13] <snowowl> Really simple question I suppose. Why when I click on a link in Mozilla Thunderbird it does nothing insted of opening that link in firefox.
[01:13] <thoreauputic> dbglt: that's unlikely to happen - what sort of program would do that in linux? Without being told to?
[01:14] <ijamadar>  want to patch patch-2.6.15-ck2.bz2 to mm-fix_kswapd_inherit_prio.patch????
[01:14] <thoreauputic> dbglt: oh, you mean incoming requests?
[01:14] <ijamadar> please advise
[01:14] <ijamadar> i am using Kubuntu pls
[01:15] <dbglt> thoreauputic: I'm not sure what it would be techincally termed, just from my limited experience as a user :)
[01:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh little problem you could help me to resolve:
[01:17] <thoreauputic> dbglt: well, I'm trying to understand your scenario - but since trojans are rare on linux , as long as you use standard apps from the ubuntu repos and security updates I can't think why an outgoing request would be from something you don't know about...
[01:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i was trying to install NVU, but it need libgnome2-perl
[01:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried to install libgnome2-perl and synaptics in the terminal shows:
[01:17] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: then your sources list is wrong
[01:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[01:17] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: you should be able to install nvu using adept aor apt
[01:18] <thoreauputic> !info nvu
[01:18] <ubotu> nvu: (Complete Web Authoring System), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 1.0-0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 8349 kB, Installed size: 26468 kB
[01:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> unable to initialize frontend: Gnome, unable to load gnome..
[01:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhhh let me try with apt-get
[01:18] <thoreauputic> erm...
[01:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i dubt
[01:18] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: how are you installing this?
[01:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> synaptics
[01:18] <thoreauputic> do you have universe enabled?
[01:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Preconfiguring packages ...
[01:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `fuse' in statusoverride file
[01:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[01:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> this is apt-get result
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: what sources are you using?
[01:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> thoreauputic: i think so, i can see nvu in the list of packages
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: are you using non-ubuntu sources?
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh...... BOH :)
[01:20] <thoreauputic> ? BOH ?
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> wait
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need to check
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> here it is my sources.list
[01:20] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: don't paste it!
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/qEHLse68.html
[01:20] <thoreauputic> whew
[01:20] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i was not going to paste it :)
[01:20] <thoreauputic> OK
[01:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ahah
[01:21] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: I was getting ready for a flood ;-)
[01:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ahah
[01:22] <thoreauputic> hmm looks OK - the only extra is the kubuntu one, which should be OK - did you run sudo apt-get update ?
[01:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[01:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the kubuntu one is for kde 3.5
[01:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the only way to get it
[01:23] <thoreauputic> right
[01:23] <dbglt> is the kdeified version of OOo available as a package in kubuntu?
[01:23] <thoreauputic> why the two mirrors for updates?
[01:24] <dbglt> so it is hehe
[01:24] <dbglt> seems like QT, not kde though :\
[01:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[01:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what? dbglt ?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: apt should take care of nvu dependencies automatically - hence my questions about sources
[01:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7Qu9QN35.html
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: odd - sorry I have no idea why you are getting that error
[01:27] <thoreauputic> bleh
[01:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> thoreauputic: ooooooooooops big problem.. i can't install anything now
[01:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i find out an article with a guy of the same problem..
[01:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> syna, adept, apt-get, dpkg not workin :(
[01:31] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu:  you might have to do   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[01:31] <thoreauputic> which reconfigures the whole system...
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Tallia1Kubuntu: what happens if you run   sudo apt-get -f install  ?
[01:33] <thoreauputic> (without arguments)
[01:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am trying reconvifure
[02:07] <reon> What to use with FF1.5, Adblock or Adblock Plus ???
[02:11] <ccc_> reon: i use adblock and adblock filterset.g updater, works great
[02:12] <reon> ccc_ So whats all the whoha about ff1.5 and adblock problems ?
[02:12] <ccc_> on ff 1.5
[02:12] <ccc_> reon: i don't know, i haven't heard the whohas
[02:13] <reon> ccc_ think i'll just go with the original and see for myself
[02:14] <reon> done
[02:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it didn't work..
[02:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> still get that weird error
[02:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :(
[02:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> goddddddd
[02:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> this was bad....... DAMN FUSE.. it took me long time to search for a solution..
[02:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> more than 1 hour
[02:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and it is 5:39am
[02:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> GRRR
[02:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> gnight!
[02:29] <brosioz> to install w32codecs which repository i need to add ?
[02:29] <brosioz> backports ?
[02:30] <arrinmurr> !w32codecs
[02:30] <ubotu> w32codecs is, like, a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[02:30] <robotgeek> yeah brosioz , look at the tinyurl
[02:30] <reon> How does one get the system status thingy on the desktop ?
[02:30] <brosioz> i want a repository non only the packeges
[02:31] <brosioz> i want that is update
[02:31] <brosioz> avry time
[02:31] <brosioz> i don't want do it
[02:31] <brosioz> again
[02:32] <arrinmurr> brosioz: it's not really updated that often
[02:33] <Howcomes> <- new Kubuntu user
[02:33] <reon> brosioz, tried automatix ?
[02:34] <robotgeek> !autmatix
[02:34] <ubotu> robotgeek: Wish i knew
[02:34] <robotgeek> !automatix
[02:34] <ubotu> I heard automatix is messy, it breaks security guidelines. In short: You should not use it! !easyubuntu is a safer alternative, however it is much better to simply read documentation
[02:34] <brosioz> automatix ?
[02:34] <robotgeek> reon: please don't recommend automatix, it has broken several boxes
[02:34] <reon> robotgeek: Aware of that
[02:34] <laga> !easyubuntu
[02:35] <reon> robotgeek: Never broken mine.
[02:35] <arrinmurr> brosioz: well, you can do it this way: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/ ./
[02:36] <robotgeek> reon: but it has broken several other people's boxes, and continues to do so. it uses --force-all, i would suggest 'man apt-get' to get the debian developers thought's on that
[02:37] <reon> robotgeek: Agreed, wont recommend it again.
[02:38] <robotgeek> reon: thanks
[02:41] <Xemanth^^> if i have i have one user on my system which password i can't remember can i force change it with su ?
[02:42] <robotgeek> Xemanth^^: you must have set a password during install, did you forget that?
[02:42] <Howcomes> For running steam/cs1.6 under wine what version do you reccomend ?
[02:42] <Xemanth^^> i remember my root password of course
[02:42] <Xemanth^^> but i wanna change one user password
[02:43] <robotgeek> Xemanth^^: there is not root passwrod
[02:43] <Xemanth^^> nothing, i solved
[02:43] <robotgeek> !rootsudo
[02:43] <ubotu> rootsudo is, like, totally, explained at  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo   also see /msg ubotu root
[02:43] <Howcomes> The root acct is disabled, so to speak
[02:43] <Howcomes> you cant login to it
[02:43] <Howcomes> but you can sudo commands
[02:43] <Xemanth^^> ok ok sudo -s and then passwd user
[02:43] <Howcomes> sudo -i
[02:43] <Howcomes> for a root shell
[02:44] <Howcomes> i found that out the hard way, i was like wtf no root when i first installed
[02:44] <Howcomes> anywho im afk breakfest
[02:46] <nalioth> Howcomes: if you've enabled a root account, you've broken some functionality
[02:47] <Riddell> nalioth: it doesn't break anything to enable the root account
[02:48] <nalioth> Riddell: not in kubuntu?
[02:48] <Riddell> nalioth: no, nothing breaks
[02:49] <Tm_T> but there's chance that user will
[02:51] <robotgeek> hi Riddell , i'm working on the Kubuntu Desktop Guide now
[02:51] <Riddell> robotgeek: excellent :)
[02:51] <bushito> !ati
[02:51] <ubotu> I guess ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[02:51] <Riddell> robotgeek: do you have svn access?
[02:52] <robotgeek> Riddell: not yet, i probably won't need it until a few days. i only picked it up yesterday
[02:52] <Riddell> robotgeek: ok, poke me or jjesse to commit if you have patches in the mean time
[02:53] <Riddell> robotgeek: feel free to ask in #kubuntu-devel if you have any questions
[02:53] <robotgeek> Riddell: yeah, will be bugging you guys in a bit soon :)
[02:53] <jjesse> robotgeek: yeah you can just send me the .diff for desktopguide and i'll commit it
[02:53] <robotgeek> jjesse: will do
[02:54] <Riddell> robotgeek: are you Venkat?
[02:55] <robotgeek> yeah, that's me :)
[03:05] <Howcomes> Anyone out there on 5.10 running Steam/CS 1.6 ?
[03:05] <Howcomes> Or. if you would like to - I'm about to take a stab at the method described here: http://cslinux.hacka.net/
[03:05] <ccc_> yes, via cedega
[03:06] <reon> Are there any plans to improve on the Kubuntu Dapper appearance, especially fonts ?
[03:06] <Howcomes> One thing im wondering is, where did the KDE Theme Manager go ?
[03:06] <nalioth> reon: yes, the dapper looks much much cooler
[03:07] <reon> nalioth, are the fonts still so big and fat ?
[03:07] <nalioth> reon: i've not noticed all that much, reon i've only seen flight-1 but overall there is a much better appearance
[03:08] <jjesse> reon: i'm running flight-3 and the fonts appear better to me
[03:08] <jjesse> reon: it looks a lot cleaner, but i'm also on 3.5.1 for KDE
[03:09] <reon> jjesse, I'm on 3.5.0 but breezy and I hate the font setup and thick window bars
[03:09] <reon> I would like to find a nice howto to change the look
[03:09] <Howcomes> Anyone got the ATI Driver installed ?
[03:10] <Howcomes> ATI Driver wouldnt install for me
[03:10] <reon> robotgeek is brave
[03:10] <Howcomes> and i need some gamma correction - anyway to achieve this without an ATi Driver ?
[03:10] <nalioth> reon: robotgeek has a test box
[03:10] <robotgeek> reon: it's a dapper install, i'm just updating
[03:11] <reon> ok
[03:11] <jjesse> reon: you can run dapper through vmplayer which is what i'm doing
[03:11] <reon> jjesse, I have the flight two iso
[03:12] <jjesse> reon: if you don't have a test box you can run it through vmplayer
[03:12] <jjesse> reon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VMwarePlayerAndQemu
[03:12] <ccc_> Howcomes: did you follow the wiki-guide?
[03:12] <jjesse> following mgalvin's excellent doc, i create the image file through qemu and then installed a dapper build off the iso
[03:13] <reon> jjesse, thanks, i just ran off to adept and saw nothing there ;)
[03:13] <reon> jesse, I do have lots of spare partitions though but they are gonna be used for BSD
[03:14] <Howcomes> ccc_ you got cs 1.6 running via Cedega?
[03:14] <ccc_> Howcomes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[03:14] <ccc_> Howcomes: yes
[03:14] <Howcomes> did you use precompiled binaries or did you patch the source/compile?
[03:14] <reon> jjesse, any alternatives to vmware ?
[03:15] <ccc_> binaries iirc
[03:16] <reon> or is it the fastest out there /
[03:16] <jjesse> reon: qemu
[03:16] <jjesse> but vmware is the fastest
[03:16] <reon> jjesse, busy downloading
[03:17] <jjesse> reon: if you follow the link on the wiki you can create your own vmplayer files and don't need to purchase the full product to install any OS, i have a dapper build, breezy build and a debian build
[03:17] <reon> jjesse, thanks reading it now or should I say doing a monkey see monkey do
[03:20] <reon> hmm, now i wait for download & gcc3.4...
[03:20] <Howcomes> rebooting
[03:20] <jjesse> reon: i just figured most of it out myself,but the wiki doc made it a lot easier
[03:21] <reon> I'm hoping to copy the dapper desktop settings to breezy
[03:33] <howcomes> so ccc_ care to share how you got cs 1.6 running under cedega ?
[03:34] <bushito> !ati
[03:34] <ubotu> ati is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[03:34] <reon> Can Anyone here using cat ?
[03:34] <reon> sorry Kat.
[03:34] <robotgeek> heh
[03:35] <howcomes> bushito
[03:35] <reon> robotgeek, is that a yes ?
[03:35] <howcomes> i just used the instructions at wiki.ubunutu
[03:35] <howcomes> I already had the 'installer' from ati
[03:36] <bushito> ?? what??
[03:36] <howcomes> but that didnt work - so i used sudo apt to get the X.org flgrx driver etc etc
[03:36] <howcomes> go here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[03:36] <bushito> oh
[03:36] <orion_fr_24> can i use ln to link to a partitioon ?
[03:37] <robotgeek> reon: cat yes, Kat (first time i've heard that)
[03:37] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: a mounted location, yes
[03:37] <orion_fr_24> how can i do that ?
[03:37] <howcomes> i used the 5.04 instructions (didnt see the updated instructions, you figure they would put those above the old ones? nope)
[03:37] <reon> Kat=Beagle
[03:37] <orion_fr_24> ln /partion /link.??
[03:38] <robotgeek> reon: ahh, i've used beagle once or twice, i'm organised, so not ver yuseful for me :)
[03:38] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek:  ln /partion /link.??
[03:39] <howcomes> /join #dont.fucking.whois.me.bitch
[03:39] <howcomes> damit
[03:39] <reon> robotgeek, unfortunately i'm not so organised.... :(
[03:39] <howcomes> youd think /join would be a command
[03:39] <howcomes> but no
[03:39] <howcomes> apparently its not
[03:39] <Skrot> howcomes: Client?
[03:39] <howcomes> Konversation
[03:39] <Skrot> It is..
[03:39] <howcomes> im used to mIRC
[03:39] <robotgeek> howcomes: please respect the coc in here
[03:39] <howcomes> maybe i typed //
[03:39] <Skrot> mhm
[03:40] <howcomes> i usd to script a lot in mIRC so its just habit
[03:40] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: i don't follow
[03:40] <howcomes> // causes $vars to be evaluated and such
[03:40] <robotgeek> howcomes: irssi can be scripted nicely
[03:40] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: how should i use ln ?
[03:41] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: lets say my folder to share is /volumes/daddy and want to create a link to it in folder /home/desktop
[03:42] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: ln -s ~/Desktop/daddy /volumes/daddy , should work
[03:42] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: no, it's the other way around
[03:43] <robotgeek> ln -s /volumes/daddy ~/Desktop/daddy
[03:43] <orion_fr_24> hoo ok
[03:44] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: thx its working
[03:44] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: cool
[03:46] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: now i d like to munt a smb shared folder on boot up
[03:46] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: atomatic
[03:46] <orion_fr_24> I assume i need to use etc/fstab
[03:47] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: but what should i type i m new in linux
[03:53] <howcomes> Anyone have a verified method for using Cedega/WINE with Kubuntu 5.10 w\ Steam (specifically CS 1.6) ?
[03:53] <reon> jjesse, Are depency problems normal in qemu when you isntall ???
[03:54] <jjesse> reon: i just did an apt-get install qemu and had no issues w/ it
[03:55] <reon> jjesse, mine is moaning about 2 dependencies, vgabios & bochbios ???
[03:55] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: sorry, was away
[03:55] <jjesse> reon: hmm don't know
[03:55] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: i have no clue about samba, sorry
[03:56] <reon> jjesse, looks like qemu needs then for emulation. I'll manually add them
[03:56] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: ok
[03:58] <reon> jjesse, qemu is happy now ;)
[03:59] <jjesse> reon: glad to have it all set
[04:05] <orion_fr_24> how can i automount a smb share ???
[04:05] <orion_fr_24> I really need help
[04:05] <orion_fr_24> please
[04:06] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: have u searched the wiki?
[04:06] <C-O-L-T> hello how can I use limewire on linux?
[04:06] <robotgeek> C-O-L-T: use gtk-gnutella instead, or frostwire
[04:07] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: i dont know how to use wiki
[04:07] <C-O-L-T> robotgeek: which is more easier to use?
[04:07] <robotgeek> C-O-L-T: i've only used gtk-gnutella, it's non-java :)
[04:07] <C-O-L-T> robotgeek: it is better?
[04:07] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: wiki.ubuntu.com , and just search text
[04:08] <orion_fr_24> it s saying about italian stuff
[04:08] <robotgeek> C-O-L-T: i havent used limewire/frostwire, so no comment
[04:08] <C-O-L-T> robotgeek: but gtk-nutella is compatible with those
[04:08] <orion_fr_24> nothin about that
[04:09] <orion_fr_24> robotgeek: nothin about moutin smb in fstab
[04:09] <robotgeek> orion_fr_24: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba?highlight=%28samba%29
[04:09] <robotgeek> nothing about fstab, sorry
[04:18] <C-O-L-T> robotgeek: I downloaded gnutella but I can not use ti
[04:18] <C-O-L-T> it
[04:18] <C-O-L-T> does not begin to search
[04:19] <robotgeek> C-O-L-T: ah, does it complain about "Your version of gtk is too old?"
[04:20] <reon> Stupid question, how do I create an iso image from a cd ?
[04:20] <robotgeek> reon: no very stupid, i believe you can do from k3b
[04:21] <reon> never mind, i found it in k3b
[04:21] <reon> very simple actually ;)
[04:24] <dark_suic> hi, i have hal backend activated, hal added to group "disk" but still cannot see usb external devices in media:/
[04:24] <dark_suic> anyone knows what's going on here?
[04:34] <bur[n] er> anyone know how ot get the tango-icon-theme set up with kde?  I have the tango theme selected, but the folder icons are still crystal :\
[04:36] <reon> robotgeek, k3b gave me hassles and also trid to create a .img file. Now using dd
[04:36] <robotgeek> reon: uhuh
[04:37] <reon> sometimes the good old command line is the best although i'm no fan of it
[04:37] <robotgeek> heh
[04:38] <reon> 158 seconds, not to shabby
[04:39] <reon> ls -l
[04:39] <reon> oops
[04:41] <pollomix> #kubuntu-es
[04:42] <pollomix> como escuho mis mp3
[04:43] <mcscruff> bash: gmake: command not found <where can i get gmake from?
[04:43] <bur[n] er> mcscruff: build-essential ?
[04:44] <mcscruff> i've got that
[04:44] <mcscruff> :(
[04:44] <bur[n] er> got me senor
[04:45] <reon> jjesse, houston, we have a problem with vmplayer
[04:47] <reon> Cannot check for the existence of an old redo log for disk '/home/reon/vmware/dapper/vmware-dapper.vmdk'.
[04:47] <reon> Failed to configure disk ide0:0.  The virtual machine cannot be powered on with an unconfigured disk.
[04:48] <robotgeek> jjesse: looks like i am going to be filing a lot of bugs on kubuntu :)
[04:51] <reon> whoa, it's working !!!
[04:51] <mux1> real?
[04:52] <reon> ?
[04:56] <J-S> Skype 64bit howto install into kubuntu
[04:59] <J-S> Does this work at all?
[05:02] <bushito> !fat32
[05:02] <ubotu> Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically.  If you wish to set it up yourself by hand, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:06] <asraniel> could someone help me? smb4k does not work. i cant mount shares. i chmoded 2 files and now i get" libsmb based programs must *NOT* be setuid root."
[05:12] <halibut> how do I wipe all data off a disk and make 1 single ext3 partition taking up 100% of the drive? I deleted the old partition and then created a new one with qtparted but it now reports 1GB of the drive has been used!?
[05:16] <mcscruff> what are the GTK+ dev headers called?
[05:19] <nalioth> mcscruff: libgtk+*-dev
[05:20] <mcscruff> ty
[05:22] <asraniel> ok, then its ok to say that there is no way to mount a windows share in kubuntu?
[05:22] <reon> ok, i now have dapper flight 2 running on vmplayer, way cool.
[05:24] <jjesse> reon: why not flight3?
[05:24] <reon> jjesse, I already had the flight 2 cd. I suppose I can always upgrade
[05:25] <reon> jjesse: How do I minimize VMplayer once I have it in fullscreen mode or access the menus
[05:25] <jjesse> crtl+alt will release control of the screens
[05:26] <reon> thanks !
[05:28] <reon> jjesse, I'm busy restarting it now then I'll do a upgrade. I suppose a apt-get distr upgrade will do the job ?
[05:32] <jjesse> correct
[05:35] <howcomes> i think the whole idea behind disabling root is to force you to sudo everything so that new users learn the console :P
[05:35] <jjesse> howcomes: you can use kdesu as well
[05:35] <howcomes> after im done cp'ing all these steam gcf's ill check that out
[05:36] <dark_suic> any idea of why with hal activated and into disk group usb devices won't appear in media:/ ???
[05:40] <reon> How do I upgrade to Flight 3 ?
[05:41] <nalioth> reon: use apt-get
[05:41] <nalioth> reon: if you have dapper already, you probably are flight-3 +
[05:42] <reon> nalioth, done a update followed by dist-upgrade and nothing
[05:42] <reon> nalioth, I have flight 2
[05:42] <nalioth> reon: then you are flight-3 +  (and up to date)
[05:42] <nalioth> reon: you get daily updates, yes?
[05:43] <reon> nalioth, I just installed flight2 iso in vmplayer 5 minutes ago
[05:44] <reon> Whats the easiest way to check what ver i'm running ?
[05:44] <nalioth> reon: "uname -a" in a terminal and/or 'cat /etc/issue'
[05:46] <reon> what tells me it is flight 3 ?
[05:48] <nalioth> reon: does your apt-get show you activity when you update? can you see it hitting the servers?
[05:49] <reon> nalioth, yes, i get the updates from apt-get update
[05:49] <nalioth> then run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:49] <reon> It checks and installs zip
[05:50] <reon> probably upgraded during install
[05:50] <nalioth> reon: i'm not sure about vmware
[05:50] <nalioth> yes, most likely. that is standard behavior
[05:50] <reon> so i'm probably up to spec...
[05:53] <EightiesK_away> hey
[05:57] <reon> Hmm, just come to the conclusion that the desktop and fonts are identical on breezy & dapper :(
[05:58] <EightieK> ic
[05:59] <EightieK> i've come to the colusion if FC4 had deb files that be my distro.
[06:05] <xatalinux> hello.....
[06:06] <xatalinux> i will like to know some name for codecs for linux kubuntu?
[06:07] <xatalinux> to can play movies
[06:08] <xatalinux> can some one hellp me ?
[06:08] <trispace> xatalinux: install kaffeine-xine and use kaffeine to play movies
[06:08] <xatalinux> k
[06:09] <xatalinux> is not necesary codecs for this programs?
[06:09] <nalioth> ubotu: tell xatalinux about multimedia
[06:09] <nalioth> ubotu: tell xatalinux about restricted
[06:10] <xatalinux> i wiil like to install azureus in kubuntu but i don't know how to do'it
[06:10] <nalioth> ubotu: tell xatalinux about azureus
[06:10] <ClayG> any way to export thunderbird accounts or gaim accounts?
[06:11] <ClayG> nalioth, how is your site doing?
[06:11] <ClayG> Your CVS rather, sorry
[06:13] <xatalinux> thank you nalioth .....
[06:13] <nalioth> ClayG: my cvs?
[06:13] <larsivi> !motu
[06:13] <nalioth> xatalinux: you are welcome
[06:13] <ubotu> well, motu is the Masters of the Universe ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU )
[06:13] <ClayG> Sorry I'm thinking of someone else
[06:14] <larsivi> any motu's or packagers here?
[06:15] <howcomes> !ati
[06:15] <ubotu> ati is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:15] <EightieK> !unzip
[06:15] <ubotu> Not a clue, EightieK
[06:15] <nalioth> larsivi: ask your question
[06:15] <nalioth> EightieK: ask a real question, please
[06:16] <EightieK> ne2 no how to extract using sudo?
[06:17] <EightieK> nalioth, how do i extract from root?
[06:18] <nalioth> EightieK: there is no root. use sudo + <COMMAND>
[06:19] <larsivi> I just want exult packaged, nalioth :)
[06:19] <EightieK> i know
[06:19] <EightieK> sudo is from root
[06:19] <EightieK> i need to extract it  u dunno the command to do so.
[06:19] <nalioth> larsivi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[06:19] <Set> I'm no scum anymore :))
[06:20] <nalioth> EightieK: sudo unzip package.zip
[06:20] <EightieK> k
[06:20] <EightieK> ne1 know where the theme folder is for kde?
[06:20] <nalioth> EightieK: ~/.kde/themes
[06:22] <seashell11> ok, I upgraded to kde 3.5 on a breezy computer, and now when I install new programs it doesn't make startup icons in the k-menu for them, does anyone know a fix? or did I do something wrong when upgrading?
[06:25] <sciyann> hello, i would like to enable 1280x1024 resolution that i disabled during installation. how can i do this ?
[06:25] <seashell11> sciyann: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:25] <EightieK> !DebianServiceMenu
[06:25] <ubotu> EightieK: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:26] <EightieK> :(
[06:26] <EightieK> yes
[06:27] <sciyann> thanks a lot seashell !!
[06:28] <EightieK> hey yaw
[06:32] <feistel> hi
[06:32] <feistel> how I can change the image of sleeping KDE's mascot in the shutdown window?
[06:36] <ClayG> any way to export thunderbird accounts or gaim accounts?
[06:37] <howcomes> afk sleep
[06:45] <ClayG> where is the gnome termcaps file (to change the default launch size)
[06:47] <reon> ...
[06:51] <C-O-L-T> why my gnutella is not working
[06:52] <trispace> i have a problem with bogofilter an KMail, manually marked messages are added to the wordlist but bogofilter doesn't recognize new mail as spam, even after piping ~300 spam messages through it. Any suggestions?
[06:53] <trispace> bogofilter marks every mail with: X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.520000
[06:56] <reon> I installed x-mame, where would I find it in the menus, i actually see no games at all.
[06:58] <owner> reon install debian menu
[06:58] <owner> sudo apt-get install menu
[07:00] <reon> Thx.
[07:01] <reon> owner, and after the install
[07:01] <reon> ?
[07:01] <nalioth> reon: killall gnome-panel
[07:01] <nalioth> reon: then you should have an extended menu
[07:01] <reon> i'm using kde ?
[07:02] <nalioth> woops
[07:02] <reon> lol
[07:02] <nalioth> reon: kill the kicker
[07:02] <reon> command to use & restore ?
[07:02] <C-O-L-T> nalioth: how to install gtk-gnutella the latest version in kubuntu
[07:03] <C-O-L-T> how to flush my iptables
[07:03] <C-O-L-T> disable all my firewalls
[07:03] <C-O-L-T> and their settings
[07:03] <Xemanth^^> C-O-L-T: sudo iptables --flush
[07:03] <Xemanth^^> :D
[07:04] <C-O-L-T> Xemanth^^: sudo: iptables: command not found
[07:05] <Xemanth^^> hmm thats odd
[07:05] <C-O-L-T> Xemanth^^: anyway a few days ago I could use skype file transfer and now I can not. Anyway gtk - gnutella is not working, it says me that I have a firewall but i don't
[07:10] <C-O-L-T> Xemanth^^: ???
[07:11] <owner> C-O-L-T do you have a router
[07:11] <owner> because that qualifies as a firewall
[07:11] <C-O-L-T> owner: I have a cable connection
[07:12] <owner> do you use a router
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> what is that
[07:12] <owner> to share internet
[07:12] <mcscruff> how can i link certain extensions to open in certain programs
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> ?
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> owner: no I don't
[07:12] <owner> you should install firestarter
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> owner: few days ago everything worked ok and now not
[07:12] <owner> and you can use its options to unblock ports
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> owner: I don't need a firewall, I need just to disable all my firewalls
[07:12] <C-O-L-T> iptables
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> everything
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> to use gtk-gnutella
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> skype
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> file transfer
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> and others too
[07:13] <owner> just uninstall iptables then
[07:13] <C-O-L-T> how the hell
[07:13] <owner> sudo apt-get remove iptables
[07:14] <C-O-L-T> owner: this won't delete my connection right
[07:14] <owner> no
[07:14] <C-O-L-T> owner: Package iptables is not installed, so not removed
[07:14] <C-O-L-T> it says me this
[07:14] <C-O-L-T> then why I can not use skype file transger
[07:14] <C-O-L-T> and gtk-gnutella
[07:15] <owner> colt check if firestarter is installed
[07:15] <C-O-L-T> not it is not
[07:16] <C-O-L-T> but gtk-gnutella says i have a firewall installed
[07:16] <owner> sudo apt-get uninstall firestarter
[07:17] <C-O-L-T> owner: what to do
[07:18] <owner> you should install iptables and firestarter and unblock all the ports
[07:18] <owner> thats what works for a lot of people
[07:20] <jariep1_> last night I accidentally pressed a combination of key or keys and a window poped up, and i clicked yes or no, then this morning i booted up and i typed my password to login but when i get to desktop keyboard won't type anymore
[07:20] <jariep1_> not sure what i did
[07:20] <jariep1_> no matter what i do the keyboard won't respond
[07:20] <jariep1_> only works on login
[07:21] <jariep1_> some sort of accessibility feature of ubuntu
[07:21] <jariep1_> kubuntu i mean
[07:21] <jariep1_> kde to be specific
[07:21] <reon> %^&%^, My whole display basically just went white....wtf
[07:21] <jariep1_> don't know how to turn it off
[07:22] <reon> I cannot even see the text here?
[07:22] <jariep1_> reon, i'm on another machine
[07:22] <jariep1_> but keyboard is stuck somehow
[07:23] <jariep1_> keyboard works during login
[07:23] <jariep1_> but nothing responds once in k desktop
[07:24] <reon> Hmm, back.
[07:24] <jariep1_> ok
[07:25] <seashell11> jariep1_: did you go to Settings > Peripherals > Keyboard and see if there are any settings that are messed up?
[07:26] <jariep1_> ok just a sec
[07:26] <orion_fr_24> !ssh
[07:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto
[07:30] <jariep1_> seashell , I think I had slow key active
[07:30] <jariep1_> slow keys accessibility feature
[07:30] <jariep1_> just deactivated
[07:33] <seashell11> jariep1_: yea I did that once too, but I couldn't go look how to change it since I just upgraded to kde 3.5, and that happenes to be one of the things that isn't working right  :-S
[07:34] <adventureoflink> I got a problem...
[07:34] <adventureoflink> You know how there's a feature in kde to where you can lock the session and start a new one ?
[07:35] <adventureoflink> Well, I installed ubuntu, then installed the KDE things
[07:35] <adventureoflink> I'm running KDE in ubuntu, and I don't see it
[07:35] <adventureoflink> However, I see the lock session and start a new one option in GNOME
[07:36] <adventureoflink> well
[07:36] <adventureoflink> a switch user option in the lock prompt
[07:38] <seashell11> adventureoflink: are you still using the gnome (gdm) log in manager?
[07:39] <adventureoflink> seashell11,
[07:40] <adventureoflink> Yes.
[07:40] <adventureoflink> Would that be the problem ?
[07:40] <adventureoflink> <3 gdm though.
[07:40] <seashell11> yes, if you install and run kdm i think that should fix the problem
[07:40] <adventureoflink> Ah.
[07:41] <adventureoflink> well, thanks anyway, seashell11
[07:44] <EightieK> how do i install ktorrent?
[07:44] <EightieK> no not ktorrent
[07:44] <mcsteels> hi how can i change me screen resolution ?? wont let me get it any higher than 680x480
[07:45] <EightieK> ok
[07:45] <EightieK> open a konsole
[07:45] <EightieK> type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:45] <EightieK> the drivers and all will be there...
[07:46] <EightieK> also the screen res will be there.
[07:46] <mcsteels> have tried that and still didnt work
[07:46] <EightieK> u need to fix it in there
[07:46] <dark_suic> mcsteels, did you restart x server after changing it?
[07:46] <EightieK> by selecting the res you want and pressing the space bar
[07:46] <EightieK> press Ctrl_alt+backspace
[07:46] <EightieK> lol
[07:47] <boz> I could use some help installing Icecast.  I've downloaded and unpacked the tar what are the commands to build the application?
[07:49] <trispace> boz: normally it's ./configure; make; sudo make install
[07:53] <boz> i got as far as make, and i get make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[07:53] <mcscruff> boz : ther eshould be a readme, or install text to read :)
[07:53] <callie> anyone here familiar with the output of the sensors program? i'd like some help interpterting it
[07:53] <boz> make icecast????
[07:55] <boz> you guys are great,  thanks for helping me unchain myself from microsoft.  but learning linux is like learning Dutch, LOL
[07:55] <mcscruff> you still stuck boz?
[07:55] <boz> yAH
[07:55] <mcscruff> i'll help ya :)
[07:55] <EightieK> how do I know what pkgs i have installed?//
[07:55] <abionnnn> das ist nicht [true]  :P (deutsche, close enough)
[07:55] <boz> THANKS MCSCUFF
[07:56] <reon> Why would kded use 90% of my CPU ???
[07:56] <mcscruff> open terminal
[07:56] <boz> k
[07:56] <callie> EightieK, run adept
[07:56] <mcscruff> boz, then use cd to the unpacked folder
[07:56] <boz> yup
[07:56] <callie> EightieK, uncheck the filters to see only installed packages
[07:57] <mcscruff> now type "./configure"
[07:57] <mcscruff> it should do some crazy stuff
[07:57] <boz> ok
[07:57] <boz> lol ok command not found lol
[07:57] <boz> ; )
[07:57] <mcscruff> can you link me to the tar
[07:57] <mcscruff> and i will have a lil look
[07:58] <boz> no , i meant i typed ok in the konsole instead of the irc window
[07:58] <boz> i'm ready for make
[07:58] <mcscruff> use make :)
[07:59] <boz> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[07:59] <mcscruff> did the configure run any errors?
[07:59] <callie> got that EightieK ?
[07:59] <boz> configure: error: XSLT configuration could not be found
[08:00] <Jaymac> boz
[08:00] <Jaymac> sounds like you need to install some tools
[08:00] <boz> yah jay?
[08:00] <Jaymac> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:00] <mcscruff> have you got things like build-essentail
[08:01] <boz> can i do that from the icecast folder?
[08:01] <Jaymac> boz.. from konsole
[08:01] <boz> yup
[08:01] <Jaymac> you know about updating ubuntu right?
[08:01] <Jaymac> apt-get and all that jazz
[08:01] <boz> a little
[08:01] <Jaymac> right
[08:01] <Jaymac> well you need the build-essential package anyway
[08:02] <boz> i updated through kynaptic yesterday
[08:02] <callie> FYI boz apt commands can be run from any directory location
[08:02] <pollomix> how do to larning music mp3
[08:02] <boz> ok lemme try that
[08:03] <boz> ***build-essential is already the newest version.
[08:04] <boz> thanks callie
[08:04] <boz> i'm learning ; )
[08:04] <callie> aren't we all ;)
[08:05] <totem> hola yo quisiera saber como hacer funcionar superkaramba, ya e intentado abrir varios themes y nada
[08:05] <callie> speak english totem ?
[08:06] <mcscruff> boz, its only the basic tools u need, i just built it :)
[08:06] <laga> callie: he wants to know how to get superkaramba to work. and something about themes which don't work o_O
[08:06] <totem> so so
[08:06] <totem> callie, sos
[08:06] <totem> callie, for what
[08:06] <callie> hello I wanted to know like making work superkaramba, already and tried to open to several themes and nothing
[08:07] <totem> callie, ok
[08:07] <mcscruff> boz , run ./configure again and paste the trminal output into here http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[08:07] <totem> but, what can i do?
[08:08] <totem> callie, why not irc?
[08:08] <boz> i'm getting a lot of nos. i'll meet you over there
[08:09] <callie> i was thinking that kopete supported translations but it doesnt
[08:09] <callie> ok totem, which themes are you trying to use?
[08:10] <callie> el totem, que los temas usted estn intentando utilizar?
[08:11] <mcscruff> boz did you paste it into there ? if so whats the link so i can read
[08:12] <Traumkiste> I just installed kubuntu for the 7th time.  Learning something new every time.   Now I am up and running in KDE. I am ready to mount my old reiserfs partition - (old  /home)  How do I mount a partiton
[08:12] <boz> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/524380
[08:12] <Traumkiste> please give me a  pointer
[08:13] <totem> first, i try to open superkaramba then try to open any .theme and enter, but dont work
[08:13] <callie> Traumkiste, create a mount point . sudo mkdir /media/oldhome or something
[08:13] <laga> !mount
[08:13] <ubotu> mount is probably the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[08:13] <Traumkiste> thanks callie and laga !
[08:14] <callie> that link should get you there Traumkiste
[08:15] <callie> Traumkiste, ist 'dream kiss' auf english? nein?
[08:15] <boz> Mcscruff i gotta walk around and clear my head BRB, thanks again
[08:15] <mcscruff> np
[08:15] <callie> ah nein, kiste ist 'box'
[08:16] <Traumkiste> lots of stuff to learn, boz ;-)
[08:16] <Traumkiste> Dreambox
[08:16] <DjDarkman> hy ,my krusader exits with this eror in the console QLayout "unnamed" added to ListPanel "unnamed", which already has a layout ,can someone help me?
[08:16] <callie> yah
[08:16] <Traumkiste> get one :-)
[08:16] <callie> link me Traumkiste
[08:17] <conn> does anyone here have intel extreme graphics 2?
[08:17] <Traumkiste> callie, what does "link me" mean?
[08:18] <callie> Traumkiste, give me a URL
[08:18] <DjDarkman> my krusader exits with this eror in the console QLayout "unnamed" added to ListPanel "unnamed", which already has a layout ,can someone help me?
[08:18] <Traumkiste> ok, doh, one minute
[08:19] <callie> its cool, your english is much better than my Deutche
[08:20] <totem> please somebody helpme
[08:20] <Traumkiste> callie, your Deutsch is pretty good.  Here is the link: http://www.dreamboxnorthamerica.com/
[08:20] <Traumkiste> that's only one link.  try google "Dreambox, sattelite"
[08:21] <EightieK> callie no
[08:21] <strtok> hrm
[08:21] <strtok> i just installed kubuntu
[08:21] <strtok> and ethereal is not in the package list
[08:21] <callie> EightieK, whats up? where are you stuck?
[08:21] <strtok> is there something i've done wrong?
[08:22] <sampan> strtok  no, you just need to enable the repos.
[08:22] <strtok> oh
[08:22] <strtok> yeah
[08:22] <strtok> i found the ubuntu guide
[08:22] <sampan> hehe use the following link from the bot
[08:22] <sampan> !repositories
[08:22] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:22] <strtok> woo
[08:22] <strtok> thanks
[08:22] <sampan> (assuming you're using breezy, that is)
[08:23] <sampan> sure np
[08:23] <EightieK> i know its installed i just dunno how to run it
[08:23] <strtok> yes, i am
[08:23] <EightieK> there not on the menu.
[08:23] <strtok> i am very impressed also
[08:23] <strtok> :P
[08:24] <callie> EightieK, have you tried restarting x?
[08:24] <callie> sometimes menus dont update
[08:24] <callie> alternatly you could run the program from the command line or Konsole
[08:25] <EightieK> ya
[08:25] <callie> look at him go!
[08:27] <boz> OK Back Mcscruff
[08:27] <mcscruff> check pm
[08:27] <mcscruff> :)
[08:29] <boz> i don't see a pm anywhere mcsrcuff
[08:30] <sampan> mcscruff isn't identified with services so he can't send pm's on freenode
[08:30] <mcscruff> :O
[08:30] <sampan> !register
[08:30] <ubotu> register is, like, totally, type /msg nickserv help register (you probably should do this in the server window so that if you mess up you won't reveal your password to the whole channel :))
[08:31] <boz> lol tipt of the day: don't hit the little red x
[08:31] <mcscruff> identified now
[08:31] <sampan> sometimes it's the simplest things :D
[08:31] <mcscruff> boz, you need libxslt1.1 and the dev package
[08:32] <boz> sudo apt-get libxslt1.1??
[08:32] <mcscruff> yep or adept
[08:32] <Tm_T> boz: +install ;)
[08:32] <mcscruff> sudo apt-get install libxslt1.1
[08:32] <mcscruff> sudo apt-get install libxslt1-dev
[08:32] <mcscruff> :)
[08:33] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:33] <mcscruff> brb
[08:34] <tristan> hi all
[08:34] <tristan> i have a problem, anyone can help?
[08:35] <tristan> i have installed kubuntu on a laptop and on installing it has recognized my pcmcia wi-fi card
[08:35] <tristan> but when i have restarted i hasn't
[08:35] <tristan> any idea?
[08:37] <boz> ok done.  and when i run ./config again i get this : configure: error: must have Ogg Vorbis v1.0 or above installed
[08:37] <Aapzak> anyone using a rt2500 pcmcia card?
[08:38] <DjDarkman> why do i get errors like this ? W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net breezy-extras/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net_dists_breezy-extras_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)] 
[08:39] <owner> djdarkman, those backports repos must be down
[08:39] <owner> you can comment it out with # in sources.list
[08:39] <DjDarkman> and can someone help me with a serious krusader bug?
[08:40] <owner> go ahead
[08:40] <DjDarkman> when i go to /home/djdarkman/ it exits with an error
[08:41] <DjDarkman> it never done this before
[08:41] <owner> thats weird
[08:41] <owner> can you cd to /home/djdarkman
[08:41] <tristan> any idea about the wi-fi matter?
[08:42] <DjDarkman> owner: i can access it with anything
[08:42] <DjDarkman> only krusader exits
[08:42] <owner> try running krusader from a terminal
[08:43] <owner> and see what error message it prints out
[08:43] <owner> in term
[08:43] <DjDarkman> ohhh i think i found the problem owner do you know where can i do a detaild bug report?
[08:43] <keherman> ANyone know why Konqueror crashes when I save my password into my KDE wallet?
[08:43] <keherman> this must be a common bug
[08:45] <owner> djdarkman, ubuntu bugzilla?
[08:45] <owner> ive never filed any bugs lol
[08:45] <owner> !bugzilla
[08:45] <ubotu> Ubuntu's bugzilla ( http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com ) is now closed to new bugs.  The new bugtracker is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[08:45] <gamma> dapper is quite broken
[08:46] <owner> lol gamma
[08:47] <gamma> can't get ndiswrapper or nvidia working and adept just doesn't want to not crash
[08:49] <feistel> hi
[08:49] <feistel> I have a problem with a pendrive
[08:49] <feistel> when I plug them, Kubuntu mount correctly in /media/KINGSTON
[08:50] <feistel> but konqueror can't show the content, because try to look in media:/ , and not in /media/KINGSTON
[08:50] <feistel> any suggest?
[08:52] <dark_suic> mmm u tried writing /media/KINGSTON in konqueror instead of other things? it should work O__o
[08:53] <sampan> feistal, many people seem to have that bug (/media is empty in konq).  so far as i've seen in this channel, there is no fix for it.  but you should be able to navigate manually to /media/KINGSTON/ in konq still
[08:53] <conn> hi, does anyone know where a lof of the exact text that the splash screen shows can be found?
[08:54] <conn> *log
[08:54] <sampan> konq always auto-opens to an empty /media for me ... but my usb drives are actually still mounted and accessible if i use regular file manager mode
[08:56] <feistel> I have 2 PCs with Kubuntu
[08:57] <feistel> I the firts I plug the pendrive, Kubuntu mount and konq show the content
[08:57] <feistel> I the second, I plug the pendrive, Kubuntu mount but konq don't show the content
[08:57] <sampan> feistel, yep. it's a bug that only seems to affect some people/systems.  for some people it works flawlessly, for others it doesn't.
[08:57] <feistel> I have the same version of kubuntu
[08:58] <feistel> whyyy??
[08:58] <sampan> you'd have to ask the developers
[08:58] <sampan> or look on the bug reports ... it's such a minor thing (to me) that i've never bothered to do so.
[09:00] <feistel> ok thanks!
[09:00] <boz> ***checking for libogg... not found   checking for libvorbis... not found*** can anyone help for the aptget command for these libs?
[09:00] <mcscruff> back
[09:00] <mcscruff> boz, did it compile?
[09:01] <boz> mcscruff now i get this: configure: error: must have Ogg Vorbis v1.0 or above installed
[09:01] <mcscruff> hehehe, have you not got the codecs?
[09:02] <boz> lol evidentally not
[09:02] <mcscruff> to ge tthem i used a program called aitomatrix , it can install dvd , ogg vorbis and mp3 , avi codecs
[09:02] <boz> can i get them through kynaptic?
[09:02] <mcscruff> nope
[09:02] <mcscruff> well u can
[09:02] <mcscruff> but you need to add a line to sources.list
[09:03] <sampan> !automatix
[09:03] <ubotu> somebody said automatix was messy, it breaks security guidelines. In short: You should not use it! !easyubuntu is a safer alternative, however it is much better to simply read documentation
[09:03] <mcscruff> i like automatrix :)
[09:03] <sampan> lots of busted boxes from automatix ... use easybuntu instead
[09:03] <Xemanth^^> i like matrix
[09:04] <boz> i used automatix the other day. should i run it again???
[09:04] <sampan> *shrug*  just because you guys got lucky, doesn't make it safe or advisable -- lots of people have had to do lots of repair (or even full reinstalls) because of automatix
[09:05] <boz> i don't want to get into the politics i just want to get icecast up and running! lol
[09:05] <mcscruff> it did break one of my kde packages
[09:05] <sampan> rather than spend days finding all the crap it busted on my box, i just saved time and did a full reinstall
[09:05] <mcscruff> boz, find the program easyubuntu and install them :)
[09:05] <boz> k thanks
[09:05] <sampan> easybuntu has a channel --and they're usually very helpful
[09:07] <keherman> how do I set the desktop clock to 12 hour mode from 24 hour mode?
[09:15] <dark_suic> how can i send reports about dapper?
[09:19] <dark_suic> wops, seen it, nevermind
[09:24] <eidolon> hey folks i s something up with the kubuntu mirrors?
[09:24] <eidolon> apt-get update / apt-get upgrade is getting me 404 errors.
[09:24] <eidolon> Errhttp://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main libasound2 1.0.10-2ubuntu1
[09:24] <eidolon>   404 Not Found
[09:25] <pollox> hi
[09:25] <pollox> where is /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf on kubuntu ?
[09:25] <sampan> eidolon  breezy mirrors seem fine to me (just did apt-get update) -- maybe dapper repos are being updated and so are temporarily unavailable?
[09:26] <eidolon> i suppose... i'll give it a bit and try again.
[09:26] <eidolon> but nothing 'known' atm?
[09:26] <sampan> not that i've seen in here -- but maybe the MOTUs and devs "know"
[09:28] <Xemanth^^> to what file should I put all my files which I want to run in boot? like wlan config...
[09:31] <EightiesK> ne1 know how to make the kmenu open by pressing the win key?
[09:31] <DJ_Mer1> can someone help me?
[09:33] <DJ_Mer1> okay.....
[09:33] <sampan> eightiesk  if you do kdesu kcontrol ... then select region and accessibility ... then keyboard shortcuts and/or khotkeys, you should be able to set that there (somehow) -- might take some playing around on your part
[09:33] <sampan> !helpme
[09:33] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[09:34] <DJ_Mer1> i am trying to run shoutcast from a remote location... ./sc_serv... but if i close the terminal window when i am done, it shuts down the server
[09:34] <EightiesK> i thought with katapult
[09:34] <DJ_Mer1> how can i load the server into the background so i can terminate the window?
[09:39] <EightiesK> sampan, i don't see ne thing :-(
[09:39] <EightiesK> http://www.pcuniverse.com/product.asp?pid=3356011&m_id=32&srccode=cii_14110944&cpncode=11-5982888-2
[09:42] <JohnFlux_> heyal
[09:44] <JohnFlux> Hey all, again
[09:45] <huhmz> Hello. It seems dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't work in dapper, how do I change locales in dapper?
[09:45] <JohnFlux> How do I set multiple ip's  to a network card ?
[09:45] <JohnFlux> i remember being able to have  eth0:0  and eth0:1  etc
[09:45] <JohnFlux> although doing ifconfig eth0:1  up    doesn't work
[09:46] <JohnFlux> how do I get multiple eth0 interfaces to give seperate ip's to?
[09:47] <huhmz> johnflux: that should work, try assigning it an ip: ifconfig eth0:1 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[09:49] <JohnFlux> huhmz: ohyeah that does work :)  I just gave up too early
[09:49] <JohnFlux> huhmz: thanks :)
[09:55] <DJ_Mer1> perhaps someone will willingly help me now... I am running a shoutcast server. I forgot to turn it on when i left my house, so i am using putty to turn it on. "./sc_serv" will only stay running if the terminal window is left open... how can I set it to run in background so I can close the window
[09:56] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: you may use screen
[09:57] <rrichie> hi all
[09:57] <rrichie> i just dist-upgrade to dapper but it seems my kernel modules don't work anymore
[09:59] <trappist> rrichie: you'll have to recompile them
[09:59] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: how do i do that
[09:59] <rrichie> it is an ubuntu kernel installed with apt-get
[09:59] <trappist> DJ_Mer1: NOHUP ./sc_serv &
[09:59] <dark_suic> DJ_Mer1, you could try ./sc_serv &
[10:00] <trappist> rrichie: what kernel modules are you talking about?
[10:00] <rrichie> seems most of my usb devices don't work anymore
[10:00] <rrichie> as if usb-ohci wasn't modprobed
[10:00] <trappist> DJ_Mer1: or even better, run it in a screen: screen -S shoutcast... then run ./sc_serv... then ctrl-a d to detach, and screen -x shoutcast to reattach later
[10:01] <trappist> rrichie: is it listed in lsmod?
[10:01] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: screen is like a terminal you can detach from. but if you want to simply run a program in background its a little bit overkill (especially if you don't need to interface with the programm).
[10:01] <DJ_Mer1> ahhh
[10:01] <rrichie> no
[10:01] <trappist> rrichie: how about `modprobe usb-ohci`?
[10:02] <rrichie> i've just tried uhci-hcd and it seems better
[10:02] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: its wanting me to run it as root
[10:02] <trappist> DJ_Mer1: to run shoutcast as root?  don't do that.
[10:02] <rrichie> it seems that all the modules i wrote in /etc/modules are not launched
[10:03] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: like trappist said: don't run programs as root unless you know what you are doing
[10:03] <trappist> rrichie: this is probably the part where I say "dapper is not even beta, not even alpha, is usually broken, and is totally unsupported."
[10:03] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: i don't run anything under root
[10:03] <DJ_Mer1> i figured out what you were talking aobut
[10:03] <DJ_Mer1> and it looks like its working
[10:03] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: its working now, thank you
[10:04] <trispace> DJ_Mer: you're welcome
[10:04] <rrichie> trappist : is there another way to put the modules i want to be launched at boot ?
[10:04] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: now i can do that at home too to make it run without an open terminal window right?
[10:08] <rrichie> yeah resolved
[10:08] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: if you use screen, yes. First you open a screen, launch the program, detach the screen session, later on you may login and do a screen -r to resume the detached session
[10:09] <trappist> DJ_Mer1: using screen I run my irc client from home and never close it.  I reattach from work or wherever I am.  it's great :)
[10:09] <jonatan> hey I need some help, I install a game (sillypoker) and I don't see it anywhere
[10:09] <sampan> trispace  can you restart X and then still recover your screen session?  (like irssi running in screen -- restart x -- and then recover the screen/irssi session?)
[10:09] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: if you simply move the program to the background with "&" it gets "earned" by init
[10:09] <trispace> sampan: sure
[10:10] <trappist> sampan: yes, the screen session persists unless you kill it, either manually or by rebooting or whatever
[10:10] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: i've tried that, it doesn't do anything.
[10:10] <jonatan> can any1 help me?
[10:10] <sampan> trispace and trappist  neato!  i'd heard something like that -- but nice to know how to do it!  :)  once or twice i've restarted X without killing the screen session and been "horrified" to realize my screen/irssi was still connected, but i dind't know how to recover them
[10:10] <trappist> jonatan: dpkg -L sillypoker | grep bin
[10:10] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: i run it as "./sc_serv &" and it doesn't go to background
[10:11] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: do you have detached it with Ctrl-a d
[10:11] <DJ_Mer1> no, i've never tried that
[10:11] <jonatan> do I type that on the termina??
[10:11] <trispace> sampan: hehe, screen is a handy tool :)
[10:11] <DJ_Mer1> either way, the way you made me do it trispace is working right now.
[10:11] <sampan> trispace  learn something new everyday!  :D
[10:11] <trispace> sampan: yeah, thats what the community is for :)
[10:12] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: so to re-access my window, i hit control-X
[10:12] <trappist> sampan: there's a lot more you can do with screen.  for example, you can have several things going on on other screens, have multiuser screens with more than one client attached, etc.  it's pretty much the coolest app ever written.
[10:12] <DjDarkPingvin> hy ,what do i have to install to be able to also use gnome with kubuntu?
[10:12] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: with screen?
[10:12] <trappist> DJ_Mer1: screen -x
[10:12] <jonatan> trappist: how do I run the program?
[10:12] <DJ_Mer1> oh okay
[10:12] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: and there it is!!! lol
[10:12] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: i love you :-D
[10:13] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: :)
[10:13] <sampan> trappist, sounds like i should do some man reading -- very nifty!  :D
[10:13] <trappist> jonatan: my first guess would be to run 'sillypoker' from the command line, but the results of the dpkg command would tell you for sure
[10:13] <jonatan> roger
[10:13] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: the entire reason i converted to linux was stability and out-of-location access to it.
[10:13] <jonatan> how do I run it from the command line?
[10:13] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: after 3 weeks i've gotten pretty good.
[10:13] <trispace> sampan: read the screen manual and you'll be excited :)
[10:14] <jonatan> how do I run it from the command line?
[10:14] <trispace> DJ_Mer1: nice to hear that linux suits you :)
[10:14] <trappist> sampan: I run an irc client (with bitlbee) in one window, mutt in another, and I have shells in other windows, so I just ctrl-a (window #) to move around, and do all my work and play in one place
[10:15] <DJ_Mer1> trispace: it always has
[10:15] <trispace> trappist: somebody says: its like X for the console :)
[10:15] <trappist> trispace: what I'd rather see is screen for X :)
[10:15] <trispace> trappist: well, ratpoison is close to that
[10:15] <trappist> meh.  sorta.
[10:17] <trappist> and if you run Eterm (as all the cool guys do) you can use Escreen to get nice clicky buttons for all the screen operations
[10:17] <rrichie> *so i'm under with dapper and kde 3.5.1 and it works quite well except some little problems with kernel modules
[10:17] <trispace> trappist: but the drawback with x applications is that WMs like ratpoison or wmii are not able to handle each application properly, in this case console applications are way easier to setup with screen
[10:18] <trispace> btw: sorry for my horrible english
[10:19] <laga> your english is excellent :)
[10:19] <trappist> trispace: I'm talking about something where I can just attach to an X session the way I'd attach to a screen session remotely, without having to use some horrible protocol like vnc and where I can have an arbitrary number of desktop-like sessions that I can easily switch among
[10:19] <trispace> laga: nah :)
[10:20] <trappist> trispace: it's better than most of the native speakers in here :)
[10:20] <sampan> trappist, that's very very cool... definitely man pages time for me
[10:21] <trispace> trappist: yeah, i know what you mean. I don't know if NX or stuff like that are going in this direction
[10:21] <trappist> sampan: the man page is great, but doesn't really do it justice.  find a nice screen howto on google.
[10:21] <boz> mcscruff?  i found the ogg and vorbis codecs and downloaded them to my home folder where do i need to compile these at now?
[10:23] <boz> oops hes not here... Callie
[10:23] <callie> whats up boz ?
[10:24] <boz> where should i put the libogg and libvorbis files at?
[10:24] <trispace> sampan: hint: look out for some nice "caption always" settings :)
[10:24] <callie> boz, why are you not using adept?
[10:25] <boz> i couldn't find them in adept? maybe i'm not looking in the right plasce
[10:25] <callie> boz you need to most likely update your apt.sources file
[10:25] <callie> !apt
[10:25] <ubotu> apt is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[10:25] <callie> !apt.sources
[10:25] <ubotu> callie: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[10:25] <callie> lol
[10:25] <boz> lmao
[10:26] <callie> !repositories
[10:26] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:26] <boz> k thanks again off i go.......
[10:26] <callie> check those out boz learning how to set up adept will save you alot of bother in the end
[10:26] <boz> too late, lol
[10:27] <callie> know the feeling, keep at it though
[10:27] <boz> i'm already bothered
[10:27] <boz> thaNKS AGAIN!
[10:27] <callie> where you from boz?
[10:27] <boz> Kansas does that make a difference, lol
[10:28] <callie> not really
[10:28] <boz> whewww
[10:28] <boz> ; )
[10:28] <callie> 'we're off to see the wizard' la la la la laaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[10:28] <boz> yah i feel like an oompha lumpa
[10:29] <callie> thats a different film boz
[10:29] <callie> lol
[10:29] <callie> Dorothy in the wizard of oz was from Kansas, thats why i thought of it
[10:30] <boz> wow humboldt is where i'm from
[10:30] <laptop> im using kubuntu 5.10 breezy and i need help with the madwifi installation, i already followed the wiki with no luck, can someone please help
[10:30] <boz> yah i follow ... just ghot the little feller confused...
[10:30] <callie> ehehee
[10:31] <callie> is that apt.sources list stuff making sense
[10:31] <callie> ?
[10:31] <boz> yah i was using kynaptic before but adept seems easier
[10:32] <callie> oh yeah
[10:32] <callie> they both do the same thing
[10:32] <callie> but adept is a bit more simplified
[10:32] <callie> which is good enough for me
[10:33] <callie> anyway i got some tidying up to do and some laundry! fun! msg me if ya need a hand
[10:34] <boz> alot easier than banging my head on the konsole.  I'd like to have a dollar for everytime i've type config instead of configure
[10:34] <boz> thanks callie i appreciate the help
[10:39] <rrichie> re all
[10:40] <rrichie> Error: /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[10:40] <rrichie> are missing from your system. Please be sure that your xserver package is
[10:40] <rrichie> installed correctly.
[10:40] <rrichie> when i try sudo nvidia-glx-config enable it says
[10:56] <hDp`> et.Merc NoW NoW
[10:58] <laptop> im using kubuntu 5.10 breezy and i need help with the madwifi installation, i already followed the wiki with no luck, can someone please help
[10:58] <ilba7r> laptop do you need an ndiswrapper
[10:59] <laptop> no its an atheros cipset
[10:59] <ilba7r> or is your card natively supported
[10:59] <ilba7r> !atheros
[10:59] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, ilba7r
[10:59] <ilba7r> i think there was something on the forums on atheros
[11:00] <laptop> natively, im pretty sure, the card came with a home-made cd with the drivers but im not sure how to use it
[11:01] <ilba7r> laptop, i remember that atheros need a special setup i seen it on the forums. you might check there
[11:01] <ilba7r> for wifi i would recommend networkmanager
[11:01] <ilba7r> works perfectly here
[11:01] <ilba7r> !wireless
[11:01] <ubotu> from memory, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:03] <ilba7r> says here work out of the box no tweeking needed. Sorry can not help you laptop
[11:03] <laptop> that list says it "just works" :\ thx anyways
[11:08] <halibut> I have a harddrive and when I right click on the files on the drive and select properties it says 20GB, but when I look at the drive in GParted it says 30GB is used?! THere are no hidden files, why is this?
[11:12] <callie> how goes it boz?
[11:13] <ilba7r> :)
[11:13] <callie> ahuman01, he left
[11:13] <callie> gah
[11:14] <callie> too used to always hitting tab
[11:16] <keherman> there is a bug with Konqueror and the wallet when saving passwords!
[11:16] <keherman> http://www.arkania.org/~benzer/index.php?p=166&c=1
[11:16] <keherman> i rant into it in latest Kubuntu, but is there afix?
[11:16] <callie> yeah, dont use the wallet
[11:17] <keherman> callie, but i have this lab setup for 300+ users!
[11:17] <callie> eeek
[11:17] <keherman> callie, how can i make sure they dont run into that problem?
[11:17] <keherman> they will all be using Kubuntu
[11:17] <callie> disable the wallet?
[11:17] <keherman> callie, yes, or make sure the users dont encounter the bug?
[11:18] <callie> surely disabling that would be the surest way of acomplishing that?
[11:18] <keherman> callie, how to disable it globally for all users?
[11:18] <callie> remove it
[11:19] <keherman> callie, what is the package?
[11:19] <callie> sudo apt get remove kwalletmanager
[11:19] <keherman> callie, youre a genius!
[11:19] <callie> sudo apt-get remove kwalletmanager
[11:19] <keherman> callie, does everyone hate the wallet or something?
[11:19] <callie> i just dont trust it
[11:19] <callie> eggs in one basket
[11:20] <keherman> :-)
[11:20] <callie> i dont even use a wallet in real life
[11:20] <callie> for the very same reason
[11:20] <keherman> lol
[11:21] <callie> you're a teacher keherman ?
[11:21] <keherman> callie, no :-)  student
[11:21] <keherman> callie, you whois me?
[11:22] <callie> nope
[11:22] <callie> but your host is a give away
[11:22] <keherman> hehe
[11:23] <callie> university of massachusettes?
[11:23] <keherman> yea
[11:23] <keherman> OpenDocument all the way!
[11:23] <callie> excuse the spelling, im a brit
[11:24] <callie> so what you going to be doing with kubuntu? or just using it for general desktop stuff?
[11:24] <keherman> callie, apt wont let me just remove onlt the kwalletmanager -- it wants to remove all of kubuntu-desktop as well?~?~?~
[11:24] <callie> ah
[11:25] <keherman> callie, we have a lab with 300+ users
[11:25] <keherman> they will be using the *buntu tools
[11:25] <keherman> we have kde, gnome, xfce, fluxbox, and wmaker on here
[11:26] <Sokzero> Hello
[11:26] <callie> perhaps it would be best to remove kubuntu dektop and build your own kde environment, minus the kwallet
[11:27] <keherman> callie, so how can i just get rid of kwalletmanager?
[11:27] <Sokzero> I've installed the server version of Ubuntu and now i would like to install Kubuntu, but it wont work.
[11:27] <keherman> callie, too late for that!
[11:27] <callie> not really
[11:27] <callie> wouldnt take long
[11:27] <keherman> callie, i have this image pristine to the lab environment -- but only has the konq bug to fix!
[11:27] <keherman> callie, there are many other custom packages isntalled as well, so it would take a while
[11:27] <callie> kubuntu-desktop is just a meta package
[11:28] <keherman> callie, of course, but building it now, and then keeping it updated will be much effort
[11:28] <Sokzero> I think its my internet, i linked my Ubuntu Pc to my Windows Pc by Cross-Cable and static ip's. But that wont work
[11:29] <Sokzero> So hoe do i change static to DHCP without installing Ubuntu agian?
[11:29] <Sokzero> And than i mean in a shell or however you call it, because i have no graphics now
[11:30] <callie> keherman, http://lists.csociety.org/pipermail/kde-freebsd/2003-December/006389.html
[11:31] <LoneCanuk> hey - are there any wireless gurus in here that would like to spare a few min to help a linux newby set up his usb WLAN card?  (Its the d-link USB wifi reciever)
[11:32] <callie> thats all i can come up with keherman, you may be able to scipt something to alter everyones configs to do that too
[11:33] <reon> Help, my sound no longer works
[11:33] <LoneCanuk> I been trying to read up so I wouldnt have to ask, but a lot of stuff is way to technical for me.  I did manage to install the ndiswrapper and the drivers with help from some kind folks in another linux room.  The problem Im facing is, my hardware does not show up in the network-admin.  I only see the ethernet and modem hardware.
[11:34] <reon> LoneCanuk, go to Ubuntuforums Networking section and search for post by Lambert
[11:34] <reon> also look at his signature for info
[11:35] <LoneCanuk> recon:  thanks, i will do that right now
[11:35] <LoneCanuk> :)
[11:35] <callie> good luck keherman
[11:35] <sven-tek> in what paket is kcompmgr?
[11:35] <callie> sven-tek, man kcompmgr
[11:35] <sven-tek> i dont have it
[11:36] <callie> !kcompmgr
[11:36] <ubotu> callie: I haven't a clue
[11:36] <keherman> callie, thanks for the advice
[11:37] <callie> no worries
[11:37] <callie> right im off for a bit
[11:39] <sorush20> guys I'm unable to access root at the system settings any idea/s the options in file sharing are not active even whn I type in the root password?
[11:41] <laptop> when i type iwconfig, kubuntu wont even see my card (ath0) why?
[11:42] <laptop> it just l0, eth0, and sit0 (no wireless extentions)
[11:43] <sorush20> laptop: try iwconfig for wireless card? what is the make of your card anyways?
[11:43] <dark_suic> sorush20, try kdesu systemsettings
[11:43] <sorush20> you need to install it via ndiswrapper
[11:43] <sorush20> dark_suic: I did that no use
[11:43] <laptop> proxim 8470-WD atheros
[11:43] <dark_suic> sorush20, then try kdesu kcontrol
[11:43] <dark_suic> i don't like system settings at all :P
[11:44] <dark_suic> i prefer kcontrol
[11:44] <laptop> iwcongif says the same
[11:44] <laptop> *iwconfig
[11:44] <vge> kcontrol powns
[11:44] <meple> hello  folks. I just installed Kubuntu for the first time and Im a little confused
[11:44] <meple> installer didnt let me choose root password
[11:45] <vge> there is none
[11:45] <meple> so what is it by defualt?
[11:45] <meple> oh
[11:45] <meple> no that doesnt work
[11:45] <meple> if I do: su
[11:45] <laptop> i tried 3 cards from the store, didnt work, so i bought this one online, supposed to work, doesnt :(
[11:45] <meple> then no pass i says failed
[11:45] <meple> and I cant reboot the system without being root
[11:46] <vge> if you really want it "sudo chpasswd root"
[11:46] <meple> well the thing is the system wont let reboot if Im not root
[11:47] <meple> so I dont really have a choice
[11:47] <meple> it tells me I have to be superuser to use the command: shutdown -r now
[11:47] <vge> use "sudo" in front of the command
[11:47] <meple> oh I see
[11:47] <vge> it's like "do as root but dont change to root"
[11:48] <meple> oh so thats how it works. thx mate
[11:48] <vge> so basically no changing to root needed
[11:49] <meple> yeah pretty smart. thx again
[11:52] <orion_fr_24> I need help to create redirection rule with ipfw
[11:52] <orion_fr_24> anybody can help me ?
[11:54] <slow-motion> n8
[11:54] <reon> Where does KDE keep the volume buttom ?
[11:54] <Stele> question - how do i download/install a specific version of the kernel linux-headers for a specific kernel version, from the commandline?
[11:55] <Skrot> Stele: apt-get install linux-headers-<yourversion>
[11:55] <Stele> thanks
[11:55] <Skrot> apt-cache search linux-headers-<yourversion> to see which are avalible
[11:56] <Skrot> (e.g apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6.15)
[11:56] <sorush20> unable to start file sharing any idea/s I still can't get the buttons in kcontrol or systemsetting to become active for file sharing.
[11:56] <reon> not to worry, found the applet
[11:56] <Tm_T> sorush20: what filesharing
[11:56] <vge> reon: name of that applett?
[11:57] <reon> vge, sound mixer
[11:58] <Tm_T> kmixer is just fine
[11:58] <reon> Tm_T, my laptop is different and just has a volume icon
[11:59] <orion_fr_24> I need help to create redirection rule with ipfw
[11:59] <orion_fr_24> !ipfw
[11:59] <ubotu> orion_fr_24: Do they come in packets of five?
[12:00] <dark_suic> what kind of help, orion_fr_24
[12:00] <dark_suic> what kind of redirection u need?