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| artnay | klepas: | 11:58 |
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| artnay | howdy | 11:58 |
| artnay | mhz_food: | 11:58 |
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| artnay | klepas_: | 12:18 |
| klepas_ | hey artnay | 12:20 |
| === klepas_ is at lca 2006 | ||
| artnay | how is it? | 12:22 |
| artnay | aren't you busy or anything? ;) | 12:22 |
| artnay | blaeh ;) | 12:31 |
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| klepas | still there? | 12:41 |
| klepas | the wireless connection here is somewhat flacky :) | 12:41 |
| artnay | no prob | 12:45 |
| artnay | yep, I'm still here for some time. I currently have two broken PCs at home | 12:46 |
| klepas | having so much fun here | 12:53 |
| klepas | met Mark Shuttleworth | 12:53 |
| klepas | having coffee with him tomorrow | 12:53 |
| klepas | also met jeff and andy | 12:54 |
| klepas | lots of fun :) | 12:54 |
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| artnay | hey AndyFitz, did you have your presentation already? | 01:25 |
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| AndyFitz | hiya artnay yeah it was fun | 01:34 |
| derek[] | hi | 01:35 |
| derek[] | what was fun? | 01:35 |
| AndyFitz | about to go to bed but I think people got something from it :) | 01:35 |
| AndyFitz | linux.conf.au | 01:35 |
| derek[] | k | 01:37 |
| derek[] | AndyFitz, look in synfig | 01:37 |
| derek[] | chan | 01:37 |
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| Kwiat | hi there | 01:56 |
| Kwiat | id like to offer my help in regard to graphic design tasks | 01:57 |
| Kwiat | perhaps you got a little interesting task for me? | 01:57 |
| artnay | hey Kwiat | 02:00 |
| artnay | actually we all are waiting for tasks to be given | 02:00 |
| artnay | Kwiat: have you taken a look at wiki? | 02:00 |
| artnay | anyways, I'd suggest to start with that | 02:00 |
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| artnay | AndyFitz: so, new icons? ;) | 02:01 |
| artnay | hi lukacu | 02:01 |
| lukacu | hi | 02:01 |
| Kwiat | you're all waiting? | 02:01 |
| Kwiat | there should be a plenty of tasks to work on | 02:02 |
| artnay | Kwiat: well we all can go ahead and do whatever we want to | 02:02 |
| Kwiat | thats nice | 02:02 |
| artnay | but there's no guarantee it will ever make into "ubuntu artwork" | 02:02 |
| AndyFitz | yeah. hang tight on my involvement ( I know I'm pissing people off .. sorry i'll hurry ) | 02:02 |
| Kwiat | artnay: mh, who decides that? | 02:02 |
| artnay | we've been asking for a branding guide that canonical was supposed to publicize | 02:02 |
| AndyFitz | artnay, will get back on here for news | 02:02 |
| artnay | but there's no word on that (for last, umh, half a year) | 02:03 |
| Kwiat | f.e. how was decision made to include a new standard wallpaper in breezy badger? | 02:03 |
| artnay | Kwiat: canonical devs are responsible for what is being included in the default cd media | 02:03 |
| AndyFitz | heh i'll see if I can ask that tomorrow ( maybe I get to talk to mark at this conference I'm at | 02:04 |
| artnay | and mark s. has the final word to be said | 02:04 |
| AndyFitz | artnay if I get a change i'll winge / ask | 02:04 |
| artnay | Kwiat: no idea. AFAIK, it wasn't public | 02:04 |
| AndyFitz | ciao mate I've got to get to bed its 2am | 02:04 |
| Kwiat | artnay: thanks | 02:04 |
| artnay | AndyFitz: it would be nice if you guys could urge canonical devs in this matter | 02:04 |
| AndyFitz | will pimp hard as I can night | 02:04 |
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| artnay | we really need to get this going and I see progress unless somebody tells what should be done. we need to focus on some things | 02:05 |
| artnay | see no progress... | 02:05 |
| Kwiat | artnay: could it be that just someone submitted the wallpaper to gnomeArt and it was chosen by someone at canonical? | 02:05 |
| artnay | Kwiat: I don't think so | 02:05 |
| artnay | I mean, flight 3 had some graphical changes | 02:05 |
| Kwiat | so someone inside canonical did it? | 02:05 |
| artnay | but I haven't been able to find any information how they got included | 02:06 |
| Kwiat | mh | 02:06 |
| artnay | I've looked at several MLs and wiki pages | 02:06 |
| artnay | Kwiat: I guess some canonical dev did it | 02:06 |
| Kwiat | mh, ok | 02:06 |
| artnay | same thing with the notification bubble (which I considered as a joke) | 02:06 |
| artnay | just like the Usplash screen before the first flight | 02:06 |
| artnay | you all know the notorious nofitication bubble, right? ;) | 02:07 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3 | 02:07 |
| artnay | Screenshot 7: New Restart Notification Bubble | 02:07 |
| artnay | that came out of blue, I could say | 02:08 |
| artnay | well one should be a full-time developer in order to be up-to-date with dapper info | 02:08 |
| Kwiat | ihhh | 02:08 |
| Kwiat | looks ugly | 02:08 |
| artnay | it does | 02:09 |
| Kwiat | never seen it before | 02:09 |
| artnay | so I naturally thought it was a joke | 02:09 |
| artnay | here's people bashing it big time: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=118626 | 02:09 |
| Kwiat | my breezy badger release doesn't seem to have this one | 02:09 |
| Kwiat | my bubble always looks quite simple | 02:09 |
| artnay | no, it's included in dapper | 02:09 |
| Kwiat | for god's sake | 02:09 |
| artnay | there's lots of things in dapper that artwork team should focus on | 02:10 |
| artnay | for instance that notification bubble should be included in ArtworkTodoList | 02:10 |
| Kwiat | well we should better stay with badger if this bubble would make it into dapper | 02:11 |
| artnay | hehe ;) | 02:11 |
| Kwiat | i agree | 02:11 |
| Kwiat | where's this artworktodolist you mentioned to find? | 02:11 |
| artnay | but klepas told be he would discuss about this issue at LCA | 02:12 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal | 02:12 |
| artnay | oh, four votes for the meeting date... that will do ;) | 02:12 |
| artnay | please people, keep wiki updated | 02:13 |
| artnay | I'm not able to do that at the moment as my machines are fcuked up | 02:13 |
| Kwiat | im on this wikipage right now | 02:13 |
| Kwiat | well interesting | 02:14 |
| Kwiat | is anyone allowed to add some suggestions and ideas? | 02:15 |
| artnay | take your time with wiki, although it's not official what you find there | 02:15 |
| artnay | Kwiat: sure, that's mostly my ideas/comments there | 02:15 |
| artnay | feel free to register and edit when needed | 02:15 |
| Kwiat | nice | 02:16 |
| artnay | it's sad that we haven't even be able to create discussion on those topics | 02:16 |
| Kwiat | are you some kinda admin round here? | 02:16 |
| artnay | not an admin, not a ubuntu member, just a user that is interested in helping ubuntu a way or another | 02:18 |
| Kwiat | weee, youre from finland | 02:18 |
| Kwiat | thats nice | 02:18 |
| artnay | and I thought artwork, translation and documentation could be areas where I'd be able to help | 02:18 |
| Kwiat | i planned to go there on vacation in a few years | 02:18 |
| artnay | one tip, take your trip here in july | 02:19 |
| artnay | or if you want snow and some minus degress, my bet would be january or february | 02:19 |
| Kwiat | :D | 02:19 |
| Kwiat | july - there would be quite a lot of mosquitos around i guess? | 02:20 |
| Kwiat | due to the fact of lakes everywhere | 02:20 |
| artnay | depends on where you go. in southern finland it's warm and lots of beautiful women | 02:20 |
| artnay | but if you go north, you'll meet mosquitos | 02:20 |
| artnay | north is great in wintertime, lots of snow and some pretty decent hills | 02:21 |
| artnay | anyways, I have to get going soon | 02:22 |
| Kwiat | leaving this channel? | 02:23 |
| artnay | I remember when I first interested in ubuntu artwork, there really wasn't any information available | 02:23 |
| Kwiat | or what did you mean? | 02:23 |
| artnay | no, 24/7 here (screen) | 02:23 |
| artnay | I'll leave the keyboard ;) | 02:23 |
| Kwiat | :D | 02:24 |
| Kwiat | ok | 02:24 |
| Kwiat | some years ago | 02:24 |
| artnay | since that things haven't changed much. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork - http://art.ubuntu.com - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16 are the main resources | 02:24 |
| Kwiat | i had the same problems as you finding something to work on related to gnome | 02:24 |
| artnay | we're quite disorganised at the moment (it's a pity), but it's great if you're willing to help | 02:25 |
| Kwiat | i worked with some other guys on the last update of art.gnome.org | 02:25 |
| artnay | I don't use GNOME that much, only on laptop (occasionally) | 02:25 |
| Kwiat | i sketched out the concept of the menu structure and did a little help | 02:25 |
| Kwiat | oh wel | 02:25 |
| artnay | KDE for me ;) | 02:25 |
| Kwiat | what else do you use? | 02:25 |
| Kwiat | ah ok | 02:25 |
| Tm_T | KDE <3 | 02:25 |
| Kwiat | you're more on the kubuntu-site? | 02:26 |
| artnay | and what else? XFCE, E17 and fluxbox | 02:26 |
| === Tm_T is testing pekwm atm | ||
| Kwiat | ok | 02:26 |
| artnay | Kwiat: not actually, I'm interested in both | 02:26 |
| Kwiat | xfce is fast, isnt it? | 02:26 |
| Kwiat | didnt checked it out for myself so far | 02:26 |
| artnay | it is | 02:26 |
| Kwiat | gotta test this | 02:26 |
| Tm_T | sucky, pypanel seems to be unworking in dapper | 02:27 |
| artnay | although I'm a KDE user, I'm all into human theme | 02:27 |
| Kwiat | whats your distribution of choice? | 02:27 |
| Kwiat | ubuntu? | 02:27 |
| artnay | ubuntu, suse and debian, gentoo didn't impress me that much | 02:27 |
| artnay | red hat 5.2 back in -99 (if I remember correctly), that was my first take | 02:27 |
| Kwiat | red hat was my first take, too | 02:28 |
| artnay | now I'm on the verge of trying the latest fedora | 02:28 |
| Kwiat | got it from a magazine's cover | 02:28 |
| artnay | I bought one | 02:28 |
| Kwiat | these were the days of modems ;) | 02:28 |
| artnay | and ISDN connections... and catastrophal phone bills | 02:28 |
| Kwiat | do like ubuntu very much | 02:28 |
| Kwiat | in deed :D | 02:28 |
| artnay | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1600 - brown for me | 02:29 |
| Kwiat | perhaps i do like ubuntu just because it was the first time beeing on linux with dls | 02:29 |
| Kwiat | thats your screen? | 02:30 |
| artnay | it WAS | 02:30 |
| artnay | now the piece of **** will reboot even while in BIOS... | 02:31 |
| Kwiat | as for it was a long-time kde-favoring distrubution, suse should be your choice, should it? | 02:31 |
| artnay | well it works better than kubuntu | 02:31 |
| Kwiat | or how is ubuntu doing with kde running? | 02:31 |
| artnay | it's faster due the optimazions | 02:31 |
| Kwiat | ok | 02:31 |
| Kwiat | i should go on programming for some time now | 02:32 |
| artnay | ubuntu and kde... it's getting better although there were quite big problems with the latest release | 02:32 |
| Kwiat | well meet here again, soon | 02:32 |
| artnay | yep, take care | 02:32 |
| Kwiat | it was a pleasure | 02:32 |
| Kwiat | you too | 02:32 |
| Kwiat | bye | 02:32 |
| artnay | bye | 02:32 |
| artnay | well I'm off as well, bye guys (and please update some wiki pages! :>) | 02:33 |
| artnay | btw, luckily I have /home on a separate partition... | 02:34 |
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| artnay | hey | 05:43 |
| artnay | desktop team | 05:43 |
| artnay | damn laptop ;( | 05:43 |
| artnay | anyways, desktop teams ML seems o have some artwork related topics, be sure to take a look at it | 05:43 |
| artnay | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2006-January/thread.html | 05:44 |
| artnay | to quote henrik: "IMHO several of the default | 05:46 |
| artnay | Gnome themes should be retired" | 05:46 |
| artnay | ok guys, I just had a chat with some canonical devs | 06:19 |
| artnay | it seems that there actually is not any experts doing a new icon set for dapper | 06:19 |
| lukacu | :) | 06:19 |
| artnay | and there are no plans. if we want something to happen, lets get it going | 06:19 |
| artnay | so, comment like crazy those topics on ArtworkTodoList | 06:20 |
| artnay | this is something we should bring on when the meeting takes place | 06:20 |
| artnay | we have something like 45-50 days remaining | 06:21 |
| lukacu | and the meeting is on february 2nd? | 06:21 |
| artnay | seems so | 06:21 |
| artnay | wiki has to be updated asap | 06:21 |
| artnay | shall we make a new wiki page for icon set? | 06:22 |
| lukacu | yes :) | 06:22 |
| artnay | my suggestion would be using andys earlier icon sets and combining tango with ubuntu palette | 06:22 |
| artnay | anybody could contribute there | 06:23 |
| artnay | but the license would be a problem. it has to be CC-SA 2.5 and andys icons are GPL | 06:23 |
| artnay | but he is such a nice guy that he will most probably give a permission/relicense | 06:23 |
| lukacu | :) | 06:24 |
| artnay | humility was nice, although device icons have to be reworked | 06:24 |
| lukacu | where can we get those iconsets? | 06:24 |
| artnay | but then, tango is using quite nice device icons | 06:24 |
| lukacu | the old ones | 06:24 |
| artnay | how about giving some ubuntu palette to those? | 06:24 |
| artnay | umh, I might have them on my HD | 06:24 |
| artnay | on my primary desktop which is currently unfunctional :) | 06:24 |
| lukacu | we need a repository then | 06:25 |
| artnay | andy has those | 06:25 |
| artnay | the /msg I got was pretty much "we do not have any guidelines to be given. create what you can and then show it us" | 06:26 |
| artnay | oh, one thing. it has to be brown | 06:27 |
| artnay | ;) | 06:27 |
| lukacu | thats ok ... the importiant thing is that there are no pros working on this project | 06:28 |
| artnay | I will update some wiki pages now | 06:28 |
| artnay | you mean experts? | 06:28 |
| lukacu | well ... yes | 06:28 |
| artnay | :) | 06:28 |
| artnay | well I have seen lots of good artwork contributions here and there | 06:29 |
| artnay | it it just so disorganized | 06:29 |
| lukacu | yes ... we need a repository :D | 06:29 |
| artnay | for what? | 06:29 |
| lukacu | for icons :) | 06:29 |
| artnay | we have wiki for unfinished work (take the same approach as tango has) and AUC for material that is considered to be published | 06:30 |
| lukacu | um ... i am not sure that the wiki is the best solution for that | 06:31 |
| artnay | neither I am | 06:31 |
| lukacu | for sn individual it is ok | 06:31 |
| lukacu | damn ... no 'sn' | 06:31 |
| lukacu | :) | 06:31 |
| artnay | what are you thinking? cvs? | 06:31 |
| lukacu | or svn | 06:31 |
| artnay | yeah, I get your point | 06:33 |
| artnay | anyways, first we should see what andy has done so far | 06:33 |
| artnay | create teams for each topic, have people to focus on these issues | 06:33 |
| lukacu | i am still waiting for klepas to send me that mail about auc :) | 06:34 |
| lukacu | will be a month now :D | 06:34 |
| artnay | :o | 06:35 |
| artnay | according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam, there is at least five people interested in a icon set | 06:36 |
| artnay | a an... | 06:36 |
| lukacu | there were some people asking about that on ML too | 06:36 |
| artnay | I saw that too | 06:37 |
| lukacu | i was unable to give them info about the old iconset ... | 06:37 |
| lukacu | so i am not sure if they are still listening | 06:38 |
| artnay | I will ask andy to upload human and humility somewhere | 06:39 |
| artnay | they both are based on etiquette which is available at gnome-look.org etc. | 06:39 |
| artnay | anyways, the most important thing is that we need to be able inform others and that one has to be made well | 06:41 |
| artnay | I remember back in breezy dev days when there was not much information on artwork | 06:41 |
| artnay | people might think it is taken care of somewhere by some guys... | 06:42 |
| artnay | no, we need to address that there is lots of work to be done and we need ideas, comments and most importantly contributions | 06:42 |
| artnay | the lack of information, that I consider to be the biggest failure back then | 06:43 |
| artnay | one thing would be writing a thread to ubuntuforums a la "Things YOU can do before dapper hits the mirrors" | 06:44 |
| artnay | to ubuntu art talk section | 06:44 |
| artnay | ok, I updated some wiki pages | 06:54 |
| artnay | my gf is coming this way so I will continue later today or tomorrow at latest | 06:55 |
| artnay | btw, this is where the current notification bubble is coming: http://www.galago-project.org/news/index.php | 06:56 |
| artnay | that could be added to TodoList etc. | 06:56 |
| artnay | it is themable from now on, I was just reading the specs... | 06:57 |
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