[11:58] <artnay> klepas: 
[11:58] <artnay> howdy
[11:58] <artnay> mhz_food: 
[12:18] <artnay> klepas_: 
[12:20] <klepas_> hey artnay 
[12:22] <artnay> how is it?
[12:22] <artnay> aren't you busy or anything? ;)
[12:31] <artnay> blaeh ;)
[12:41] <klepas> still there?
[12:41] <klepas> the wireless connection here is somewhat flacky :)
[12:45] <artnay> no prob
[12:46] <artnay> yep, I'm still here for some time. I currently have two broken PCs at home
[12:53] <klepas> having so much fun here
[12:53] <klepas> met Mark Shuttleworth
[12:53] <klepas> having coffee with him tomorrow
[12:54] <klepas> also met jeff and andy
[12:54] <klepas> lots of fun :)
[01:25] <artnay> hey AndyFitz, did you have your presentation already?
[01:34] <AndyFitz> hiya artnay  yeah  it was fun
[01:35] <derek[] > hi
[01:35] <derek[] > what was fun?
[01:35] <AndyFitz> about to go to bed  but I think people got something from it :)
[01:35] <AndyFitz> linux.conf.au
[01:37] <derek[] > k
[01:37] <derek[] > AndyFitz, look in synfig
[01:37] <derek[] > chan
[01:56] <Kwiat> hi there
[01:57] <Kwiat> id like to offer my help in regard to graphic design tasks
[01:57] <Kwiat> perhaps you got a little interesting task for me?
[02:00] <artnay> hey Kwiat 
[02:00] <artnay> actually we all are waiting for tasks to be given
[02:00] <artnay> Kwiat: have you taken a look at wiki?
[02:00] <artnay> anyways, I'd suggest to start with that
[02:01] <artnay> AndyFitz: so, new icons? ;)
[02:01] <artnay> hi lukacu 
[02:01] <lukacu> hi
[02:01] <Kwiat> you're all waiting?
[02:02] <Kwiat> there should be a plenty of tasks to work on
[02:02] <artnay> Kwiat: well we all can go ahead and do whatever we want to
[02:02] <Kwiat> thats nice
[02:02] <artnay> but there's no guarantee it will ever make into "ubuntu artwork"
[02:02] <AndyFitz> yeah.  hang tight on my involvement ( I know I'm pissing people off .. sorry  i'll hurry )  
[02:02] <Kwiat> artnay: mh, who decides that?
[02:02] <artnay> we've been asking for a branding guide that canonical was supposed to publicize
[02:02] <AndyFitz> artnay,  will get back on here for news 
[02:03] <artnay> but there's no word on that (for last, umh, half a year)
[02:03] <Kwiat> f.e. how was decision made to include a new standard wallpaper in breezy badger?
[02:03] <artnay> Kwiat: canonical devs are responsible for what is being included in the default cd media
[02:04] <AndyFitz> heh i'll see if I can ask that tomorrow  ( maybe  I get to talk to mark   at this conference I'm at 
[02:04] <artnay> and mark s. has the final word to be said
[02:04] <AndyFitz> artnay  if I get a change i'll winge / ask 
[02:04] <artnay> Kwiat: no idea. AFAIK, it wasn't public
[02:04] <AndyFitz> ciao mate  I've got to get to bed  its 2am
[02:04] <Kwiat> artnay: thanks
[02:04] <artnay> AndyFitz: it would be nice if you guys could urge canonical devs in this matter
[02:04] <AndyFitz> will pimp hard as I can   night 
[02:05] <artnay> we really need to get this going and I see progress unless somebody tells what should be done. we need to focus on some things
[02:05] <artnay> see no progress...
[02:05] <Kwiat> artnay: could it be that just someone submitted the wallpaper to gnomeArt and it was chosen by someone at canonical?
[02:05] <artnay> Kwiat: I don't think so
[02:05] <artnay> I mean, flight 3 had some graphical changes
[02:05] <Kwiat> so someone inside canonical did it?
[02:06] <artnay> but I haven't been able to find any information how they got included
[02:06] <Kwiat> mh
[02:06] <artnay> I've looked at several MLs and wiki pages
[02:06] <artnay> Kwiat: I guess some canonical dev did it
[02:06] <Kwiat> mh, ok
[02:06] <artnay> same thing with the notification bubble (which I considered as a joke)
[02:06] <artnay> just like the Usplash screen before the first flight
[02:07] <artnay> you all know the notorious nofitication bubble, right? ;)
[02:07] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3
[02:07] <artnay> Screenshot 7: New Restart Notification Bubble
[02:08] <artnay> that came out of blue, I could say
[02:08] <artnay> well one should be a full-time developer in order to be up-to-date with dapper info
[02:08] <Kwiat> ihhh
[02:08] <Kwiat> looks ugly
[02:09] <artnay> it does
[02:09] <Kwiat> never seen it before
[02:09] <artnay> so I naturally thought it was a joke
[02:09] <artnay> here's people bashing it big time: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=118626
[02:09] <Kwiat> my breezy badger release doesn't seem to have this one
[02:09] <Kwiat> my bubble always looks quite simple
[02:09] <artnay> no, it's included in dapper
[02:09] <Kwiat> for god's sake
[02:10] <artnay> there's lots of things in dapper that artwork team should focus on
[02:10] <artnay> for instance that notification bubble should be included in ArtworkTodoList
[02:11] <Kwiat> well we should better stay with badger if this bubble would make it into dapper
[02:11] <artnay> hehe ;)
[02:11] <Kwiat> i agree
[02:11] <Kwiat> where's this artworktodolist you mentioned to find?
[02:12] <artnay> but klepas told be he would discuss about this issue at LCA
[02:12] <artnay> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[02:12] <artnay> oh, four votes for the meeting date... that will do ;)
[02:13] <artnay> please people, keep wiki updated
[02:13] <artnay> I'm not able to do that at the moment as my machines are fcuked up
[02:13] <Kwiat> im on this wikipage right now
[02:14] <Kwiat> well interesting
[02:15] <Kwiat> is anyone allowed to add some suggestions and ideas?
[02:15] <artnay> take your time with wiki, although it's not official what you find there
[02:15] <artnay> Kwiat: sure, that's mostly my ideas/comments there
[02:15] <artnay> feel free to register and edit when needed
[02:16] <Kwiat> nice
[02:16] <artnay> it's sad that we haven't even be able to create discussion on those topics
[02:16] <Kwiat> are you some kinda admin round here?
[02:18] <artnay> not an admin, not a ubuntu member, just a user that is interested in helping ubuntu a way or another
[02:18] <Kwiat> weee, youre from finland
[02:18] <Kwiat> thats nice
[02:18] <artnay> and I thought artwork, translation and documentation could be areas where I'd be able to help
[02:18] <Kwiat> i planned to go there on vacation in a few years
[02:19] <artnay> one tip, take your trip here in july
[02:19] <artnay> or if you want snow and some minus degress, my bet would be january or february
[02:19] <Kwiat> :D
[02:20] <Kwiat> july - there would be quite a lot of mosquitos around i guess?
[02:20] <Kwiat> due to the fact of lakes everywhere
[02:20] <artnay> depends on where you go. in southern finland it's warm and lots of beautiful women
[02:20] <artnay> but if you go north, you'll meet mosquitos
[02:21] <artnay> north is great in wintertime, lots of snow and some pretty decent hills
[02:22] <artnay> anyways, I have to get going soon
[02:23] <Kwiat> leaving this channel?
[02:23] <artnay> I remember when I first interested in ubuntu artwork, there really wasn't any information available
[02:23] <Kwiat> or what did you mean?
[02:23] <artnay> no, 24/7 here (screen)
[02:23] <artnay> I'll leave the keyboard ;)
[02:24] <Kwiat> :D
[02:24] <Kwiat> ok
[02:24] <Kwiat> some years ago
[02:24] <artnay> since that things haven't changed much. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork - http://art.ubuntu.com - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16 are the main resources
[02:24] <Kwiat> i had the same problems as you finding something to work on related to gnome
[02:25] <artnay> we're quite disorganised at the moment (it's a pity), but it's great if you're willing to help
[02:25] <Kwiat> i worked with some other guys on the last update of art.gnome.org
[02:25] <artnay> I don't use GNOME that much, only on laptop (occasionally)
[02:25] <Kwiat> i sketched out the concept of the menu structure and did a little help
[02:25] <Kwiat> oh wel
[02:25] <artnay> KDE for me ;)
[02:25] <Kwiat> what else do you use?
[02:25] <Kwiat> ah ok
[02:25] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[02:26] <Kwiat> you're more on the kubuntu-site?
[02:26] <artnay> and what else? XFCE, E17 and fluxbox
[02:26] <Kwiat> ok
[02:26] <artnay> Kwiat: not actually, I'm interested in both
[02:26] <Kwiat> xfce is fast, isnt it?
[02:26] <Kwiat> didnt checked it out for myself so far
[02:26] <artnay> it is
[02:26] <Kwiat> gotta test this
[02:27] <Tm_T> sucky, pypanel seems to be unworking in dapper
[02:27] <artnay> although I'm a KDE user, I'm all into human theme
[02:27] <Kwiat> whats your distribution of choice?
[02:27] <Kwiat> ubuntu?
[02:27] <artnay> ubuntu, suse and debian, gentoo didn't impress me that much
[02:27] <artnay> red hat 5.2 back in -99 (if I remember correctly), that was my first take
[02:28] <Kwiat> red hat was my first take, too
[02:28] <artnay> now I'm on the verge of trying the latest fedora
[02:28] <Kwiat> got it from a magazine's cover
[02:28] <artnay> I bought one
[02:28] <Kwiat> these were the days of modems ;)
[02:28] <artnay> and ISDN connections... and catastrophal phone bills
[02:28] <Kwiat> do like ubuntu very much
[02:28] <Kwiat> in deed :D
[02:29] <artnay> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1600 - brown for me
[02:29] <Kwiat> perhaps i do like ubuntu just because it was the first time beeing on linux with dls
[02:30] <Kwiat> thats your screen?
[02:30] <artnay> it WAS
[02:31] <artnay> now the piece of **** will reboot even while in BIOS...
[02:31] <Kwiat> as for it was a long-time kde-favoring distrubution, suse should be your choice, should it?
[02:31] <artnay> well it works better than kubuntu
[02:31] <Kwiat> or how is ubuntu doing with kde running?
[02:31] <artnay> it's faster due the optimazions
[02:31] <Kwiat> ok
[02:32] <Kwiat> i should go on programming for some time now
[02:32] <artnay> ubuntu and kde... it's getting better although there were quite big problems with the latest release
[02:32] <Kwiat> well meet here again, soon
[02:32] <artnay> yep, take care
[02:32] <Kwiat> it was a pleasure
[02:32] <Kwiat> you too
[02:32] <Kwiat> bye
[02:32] <artnay> bye
[02:33] <artnay> well I'm off as well, bye guys (and please update some wiki pages! :>)
[02:34] <artnay> btw, luckily I have /home on a separate partition...
[05:43] <artnay> hey
[05:43] <artnay> desktop team
[05:43] <artnay> damn laptop ;(
[05:43] <artnay> anyways, desktop teams ML seems o have some artwork related topics, be sure to take a look at it
[05:44] <artnay> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2006-January/thread.html
[05:46] <artnay> to quote henrik: "IMHO several of the default 
[05:46] <artnay> Gnome themes should be retired"
[06:19] <artnay> ok guys, I just had a chat with some canonical devs
[06:19] <artnay> it seems that there actually is not any experts doing a new icon set for dapper
[06:19] <lukacu> :)
[06:19] <artnay> and there are no plans. if we want something to happen, lets get it going
[06:20] <artnay> so, comment like crazy those topics on ArtworkTodoList
[06:20] <artnay> this is something we should bring on when the meeting takes place
[06:21] <artnay> we have something like 45-50 days remaining
[06:21] <lukacu> and the meeting is on february 2nd?
[06:21] <artnay> seems so
[06:21] <artnay> wiki has to be updated asap
[06:22] <artnay> shall we make a new wiki page for icon set?
[06:22] <lukacu> yes :)
[06:22] <artnay> my suggestion would be using andys earlier icon sets and combining tango with ubuntu palette
[06:23] <artnay> anybody could contribute there
[06:23] <artnay> but the license would be a problem. it has to be CC-SA 2.5 and andys icons are GPL
[06:23] <artnay> but he is such a nice guy that he will most probably give a permission/relicense
[06:24] <lukacu> :)
[06:24] <artnay> humility was nice, although device icons have to be reworked
[06:24] <lukacu> where can we get those iconsets?
[06:24] <artnay> but then, tango is using quite nice device icons
[06:24] <lukacu> the old ones
[06:24] <artnay> how about giving some ubuntu palette to those?
[06:24] <artnay> umh, I might have them on my HD
[06:24] <artnay> on my primary desktop which is currently unfunctional :)
[06:25] <lukacu> we need a repository then
[06:25] <artnay> andy has those
[06:26] <artnay> the /msg I got was pretty much "we do not have any guidelines to be given. create what you can and then show it us"
[06:27] <artnay> oh, one thing. it has to be brown
[06:27] <artnay> ;)
[06:28] <lukacu> thats ok ... the importiant thing is that there are no pros working on this project
[06:28] <artnay> I will update some wiki pages now
[06:28] <artnay> you mean experts?
[06:28] <lukacu> well ... yes 
[06:28] <artnay> :)
[06:29] <artnay> well I have seen lots of good artwork contributions here and there
[06:29] <artnay> it it just so disorganized
[06:29] <lukacu> yes ... we need a repository :D
[06:29] <artnay> for what?
[06:29] <lukacu> for icons :)
[06:30] <artnay> we have wiki for unfinished work (take the same approach as tango has) and AUC for material that is considered to be published
[06:31] <lukacu> um ... i am not sure that the wiki is the best solution for that
[06:31] <artnay> neither I am
[06:31] <lukacu> for sn individual it is ok
[06:31] <lukacu> damn ... no 'sn'
[06:31] <lukacu> :)
[06:31] <artnay> what are you thinking? cvs?
[06:31] <lukacu> or svn
[06:33] <artnay> yeah, I get your point
[06:33] <artnay> anyways, first we should see what andy has done so far
[06:33] <artnay> create teams for each topic, have people to focus on these issues
[06:34] <lukacu> i am still waiting for klepas to send me that mail about auc :)
[06:34] <lukacu> will be a month now :D
[06:35] <artnay> :o
[06:36] <artnay> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam, there is at least five people interested in a icon set
[06:36] <artnay> a an...
[06:36] <lukacu> there were some people asking about that on ML too
[06:37] <artnay> I saw that too
[06:37] <lukacu> i was unable to give them info about the old iconset ...
[06:38] <lukacu> so i am not sure if they are still listening
[06:39] <artnay> I will ask andy to upload human and humility somewhere
[06:39] <artnay> they both are based on etiquette which is available at gnome-look.org etc.
[06:41] <artnay> anyways, the most important thing is that we need to be able inform others and that one has to be made well
[06:41] <artnay> I remember back in breezy dev days when there was not much information on artwork
[06:42] <artnay> people might think it is taken care of somewhere by some guys...
[06:42] <artnay> no, we need to address that there is lots of work to be done and we need ideas, comments and most importantly contributions
[06:43] <artnay> the lack of information, that I consider to be the biggest failure back then
[06:44] <artnay> one thing would be writing a thread to ubuntuforums a la "Things YOU can do before dapper hits the mirrors"
[06:44] <artnay> to ubuntu art talk section
[06:54] <artnay> ok, I updated some wiki pages
[06:55] <artnay> my gf is coming this way so I will continue later today or tomorrow at latest
[06:56] <artnay> btw, this is where the current notification bubble is coming: http://www.galago-project.org/news/index.php
[06:56] <artnay> that could be added to TodoList etc.
[06:57] <artnay> it is themable from now on, I was just reading the specs...