=== AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === miketech [n=miketech@dslb-084-056-246-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === derek[] [n=derek@59.95.98.128] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === derek[] [n=derek@59.95.98.128] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === omeg [n=omega@h8441190238.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:58] klepas: [11:58] howdy [11:58] mhz_food: === klepas_ [n=klepas@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:18] klepas_: [12:20] hey artnay === klepas_ is at lca 2006 [12:22] how is it? [12:22] aren't you busy or anything? ;) [12:31] blaeh ;) === klepas [n=klepas@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:41] still there? [12:41] the wireless connection here is somewhat flacky :) [12:45] no prob [12:46] yep, I'm still here for some time. I currently have two broken PCs at home [12:53] having so much fun here [12:53] met Mark Shuttleworth [12:53] having coffee with him tomorrow [12:54] also met jeff and andy [12:54] lots of fun :) === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:25] hey AndyFitz, did you have your presentation already? === derek[] [n=derek@59.95.98.128] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:34] hiya artnay yeah it was fun [01:35] hi [01:35] what was fun? [01:35] about to go to bed but I think people got something from it :) [01:35] linux.conf.au [01:37] k [01:37] AndyFitz, look in synfig [01:37] chan === Kwiat [n=Miranda@blueice4n1.de.ibm.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:56] hi there [01:57] id like to offer my help in regard to graphic design tasks [01:57] perhaps you got a little interesting task for me? [02:00] hey Kwiat [02:00] actually we all are waiting for tasks to be given [02:00] Kwiat: have you taken a look at wiki? [02:00] anyways, I'd suggest to start with that === lukacu [n=lukacu@cpe-213-157-253-211.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:01] AndyFitz: so, new icons? ;) [02:01] hi lukacu [02:01] hi [02:01] you're all waiting? [02:02] there should be a plenty of tasks to work on [02:02] Kwiat: well we all can go ahead and do whatever we want to [02:02] thats nice [02:02] but there's no guarantee it will ever make into "ubuntu artwork" [02:02] yeah. hang tight on my involvement ( I know I'm pissing people off .. sorry i'll hurry ) [02:02] artnay: mh, who decides that? [02:02] we've been asking for a branding guide that canonical was supposed to publicize [02:02] artnay, will get back on here for news [02:03] but there's no word on that (for last, umh, half a year) [02:03] f.e. how was decision made to include a new standard wallpaper in breezy badger? [02:03] Kwiat: canonical devs are responsible for what is being included in the default cd media [02:04] heh i'll see if I can ask that tomorrow ( maybe I get to talk to mark at this conference I'm at [02:04] and mark s. has the final word to be said [02:04] artnay if I get a change i'll winge / ask [02:04] Kwiat: no idea. AFAIK, it wasn't public [02:04] ciao mate I've got to get to bed its 2am [02:04] artnay: thanks [02:04] AndyFitz: it would be nice if you guys could urge canonical devs in this matter [02:04] will pimp hard as I can night === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [02:05] we really need to get this going and I see progress unless somebody tells what should be done. we need to focus on some things [02:05] see no progress... [02:05] artnay: could it be that just someone submitted the wallpaper to gnomeArt and it was chosen by someone at canonical? [02:05] Kwiat: I don't think so [02:05] I mean, flight 3 had some graphical changes [02:05] so someone inside canonical did it? [02:06] but I haven't been able to find any information how they got included [02:06] mh [02:06] I've looked at several MLs and wiki pages [02:06] Kwiat: I guess some canonical dev did it [02:06] mh, ok [02:06] same thing with the notification bubble (which I considered as a joke) [02:06] just like the Usplash screen before the first flight [02:07] you all know the notorious nofitication bubble, right? ;) [02:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3 [02:07] Screenshot 7: New Restart Notification Bubble [02:08] that came out of blue, I could say [02:08] well one should be a full-time developer in order to be up-to-date with dapper info [02:08] ihhh [02:08] looks ugly [02:09] it does [02:09] never seen it before [02:09] so I naturally thought it was a joke [02:09] here's people bashing it big time: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=118626 [02:09] my breezy badger release doesn't seem to have this one [02:09] my bubble always looks quite simple [02:09] no, it's included in dapper [02:09] for god's sake [02:10] there's lots of things in dapper that artwork team should focus on [02:10] for instance that notification bubble should be included in ArtworkTodoList [02:11] well we should better stay with badger if this bubble would make it into dapper [02:11] hehe ;) [02:11] i agree [02:11] where's this artworktodolist you mentioned to find? [02:12] but klepas told be he would discuss about this issue at LCA [02:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal [02:12] oh, four votes for the meeting date... that will do ;) [02:13] please people, keep wiki updated [02:13] I'm not able to do that at the moment as my machines are fcuked up [02:13] im on this wikipage right now [02:14] well interesting [02:15] is anyone allowed to add some suggestions and ideas? [02:15] take your time with wiki, although it's not official what you find there [02:15] Kwiat: sure, that's mostly my ideas/comments there [02:15] feel free to register and edit when needed [02:16] nice [02:16] it's sad that we haven't even be able to create discussion on those topics [02:16] are you some kinda admin round here? [02:18] not an admin, not a ubuntu member, just a user that is interested in helping ubuntu a way or another [02:18] weee, youre from finland [02:18] thats nice [02:18] and I thought artwork, translation and documentation could be areas where I'd be able to help [02:18] i planned to go there on vacation in a few years [02:19] one tip, take your trip here in july [02:19] or if you want snow and some minus degress, my bet would be january or february [02:19] :D [02:20] july - there would be quite a lot of mosquitos around i guess? [02:20] due to the fact of lakes everywhere [02:20] depends on where you go. in southern finland it's warm and lots of beautiful women [02:20] but if you go north, you'll meet mosquitos [02:21] north is great in wintertime, lots of snow and some pretty decent hills [02:22] anyways, I have to get going soon [02:23] leaving this channel? [02:23] I remember when I first interested in ubuntu artwork, there really wasn't any information available [02:23] or what did you mean? [02:23] no, 24/7 here (screen) [02:23] I'll leave the keyboard ;) [02:24] :D [02:24] ok [02:24] some years ago [02:24] since that things haven't changed much. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork - http://art.ubuntu.com - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16 are the main resources [02:24] i had the same problems as you finding something to work on related to gnome [02:25] we're quite disorganised at the moment (it's a pity), but it's great if you're willing to help [02:25] i worked with some other guys on the last update of art.gnome.org [02:25] I don't use GNOME that much, only on laptop (occasionally) [02:25] i sketched out the concept of the menu structure and did a little help [02:25] oh wel [02:25] KDE for me ;) [02:25] what else do you use? [02:25] ah ok [02:25] KDE <3 [02:26] you're more on the kubuntu-site? [02:26] and what else? XFCE, E17 and fluxbox === Tm_T is testing pekwm atm [02:26] ok [02:26] Kwiat: not actually, I'm interested in both [02:26] xfce is fast, isnt it? [02:26] didnt checked it out for myself so far [02:26] it is [02:26] gotta test this [02:27] sucky, pypanel seems to be unworking in dapper [02:27] although I'm a KDE user, I'm all into human theme [02:27] whats your distribution of choice? [02:27] ubuntu? [02:27] ubuntu, suse and debian, gentoo didn't impress me that much [02:27] red hat 5.2 back in -99 (if I remember correctly), that was my first take [02:28] red hat was my first take, too [02:28] now I'm on the verge of trying the latest fedora [02:28] got it from a magazine's cover [02:28] I bought one [02:28] these were the days of modems ;) [02:28] and ISDN connections... and catastrophal phone bills [02:28] do like ubuntu very much [02:28] in deed :D [02:29] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1600 - brown for me [02:29] perhaps i do like ubuntu just because it was the first time beeing on linux with dls [02:30] thats your screen? [02:30] it WAS [02:31] now the piece of **** will reboot even while in BIOS... [02:31] as for it was a long-time kde-favoring distrubution, suse should be your choice, should it? [02:31] well it works better than kubuntu [02:31] or how is ubuntu doing with kde running? [02:31] it's faster due the optimazions [02:31] ok [02:32] i should go on programming for some time now [02:32] ubuntu and kde... it's getting better although there were quite big problems with the latest release [02:32] well meet here again, soon [02:32] yep, take care [02:32] it was a pleasure [02:32] you too [02:32] bye [02:32] bye [02:33] well I'm off as well, bye guys (and please update some wiki pages! :>) [02:34] btw, luckily I have /home on a separate partition... === Kwiat [n=Miranda@blueice4n1.de.ibm.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bach_skol [i=hidden-u@nat.ksk.sala.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === derek[] [n=derek@59.95.98.128] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === derek[] [n=derek@59.95.98.128] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kamstrup [n=kamstrup@0x3e42da90.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kamstrup [n=kamstrup@0x3e42da90.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:43] hey [05:43] desktop team [05:43] damn laptop ;( [05:43] anyways, desktop teams ML seems o have some artwork related topics, be sure to take a look at it [05:44] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2006-January/thread.html [05:46] to quote henrik: "IMHO several of the default [05:46] Gnome themes should be retired" [06:19] ok guys, I just had a chat with some canonical devs [06:19] it seems that there actually is not any experts doing a new icon set for dapper [06:19] :) [06:19] and there are no plans. if we want something to happen, lets get it going [06:20] so, comment like crazy those topics on ArtworkTodoList [06:20] this is something we should bring on when the meeting takes place [06:21] we have something like 45-50 days remaining [06:21] and the meeting is on february 2nd? [06:21] seems so [06:21] wiki has to be updated asap [06:22] shall we make a new wiki page for icon set? [06:22] yes :) [06:22] my suggestion would be using andys earlier icon sets and combining tango with ubuntu palette [06:23] anybody could contribute there [06:23] but the license would be a problem. it has to be CC-SA 2.5 and andys icons are GPL [06:23] but he is such a nice guy that he will most probably give a permission/relicense [06:24] :) [06:24] humility was nice, although device icons have to be reworked [06:24] where can we get those iconsets? [06:24] but then, tango is using quite nice device icons [06:24] the old ones [06:24] how about giving some ubuntu palette to those? [06:24] umh, I might have them on my HD [06:24] on my primary desktop which is currently unfunctional :) [06:25] we need a repository then [06:25] andy has those [06:26] the /msg I got was pretty much "we do not have any guidelines to be given. create what you can and then show it us" [06:27] oh, one thing. it has to be brown [06:27] ;) [06:28] thats ok ... the importiant thing is that there are no pros working on this project [06:28] I will update some wiki pages now [06:28] you mean experts? [06:28] well ... yes [06:28] :) [06:29] well I have seen lots of good artwork contributions here and there [06:29] it it just so disorganized [06:29] yes ... we need a repository :D [06:29] for what? [06:29] for icons :) [06:30] we have wiki for unfinished work (take the same approach as tango has) and AUC for material that is considered to be published [06:31] um ... i am not sure that the wiki is the best solution for that [06:31] neither I am [06:31] for sn individual it is ok [06:31] damn ... no 'sn' [06:31] :) [06:31] what are you thinking? cvs? [06:31] or svn [06:33] yeah, I get your point [06:33] anyways, first we should see what andy has done so far [06:33] create teams for each topic, have people to focus on these issues [06:34] i am still waiting for klepas to send me that mail about auc :) [06:34] will be a month now :D [06:35] :o [06:36] according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam, there is at least five people interested in a icon set [06:36] a an... [06:36] there were some people asking about that on ML too [06:37] I saw that too [06:37] i was unable to give them info about the old iconset ... [06:38] so i am not sure if they are still listening [06:39] I will ask andy to upload human and humility somewhere [06:39] they both are based on etiquette which is available at gnome-look.org etc. [06:41] anyways, the most important thing is that we need to be able inform others and that one has to be made well [06:41] I remember back in breezy dev days when there was not much information on artwork [06:42] people might think it is taken care of somewhere by some guys... [06:42] no, we need to address that there is lots of work to be done and we need ideas, comments and most importantly contributions [06:43] the lack of information, that I consider to be the biggest failure back then [06:44] one thing would be writing a thread to ubuntuforums a la "Things YOU can do before dapper hits the mirrors" [06:44] to ubuntu art talk section [06:54] ok, I updated some wiki pages [06:55] my gf is coming this way so I will continue later today or tomorrow at latest [06:56] btw, this is where the current notification bubble is coming: http://www.galago-project.org/news/index.php [06:56] that could be added to TodoList etc. [06:57] it is themable from now on, I was just reading the specs... === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === omeg [n=omega@h8441190238.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === oemg [n=omega@h8441190238.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === oemg is now known as omeg === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@202.53.187.9] has left #ubuntu-artwork []