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Burgwork | oh, joy now automatix is on the front page of digg | 02:10 |
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robotgeek | Burgwork: oh noes | 02:15 |
Burgwork | meh, Ubuntu is pretty much on digg at least twice a day currently | 02:15 |
robotgeek | now i have to go there and tell the people about the evils of automatix | 02:16 |
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robotgeek | Burgwork: i created an account and posted there,lol. i generally only do slashdot | 02:25 |
Burgwork | http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/01/25/army.study.ap/index.html <-- take look at the guy in the middle of hte picture, next to the black chick | 02:26 |
robotgeek | lol | 02:27 |
robotgeek | anyways, back to "real" work. i will get to the wiki things later in the night, Burgwork | 02:28 |
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jsgotangco | Burgwork: do you know any good mediawiki skins? | 02:56 |
Burgwork | jsgotangco, the novell people have nice ones, but no idea as to the license | 03:02 |
jsgotangco | ahh | 03:03 |
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Liz | hello all | 03:51 |
Burgwork | long time, no see Liz | 03:51 |
Liz | xmas holidays..gotta hate them.. :/ | 03:52 |
Liz | plus ive been busy packing | 03:52 |
Liz | its good to see you again Burgwork | 03:52 |
jsgotangco | Liz: are you back home? | 03:53 |
Liz | not yet..we dont leave here for another 3 weeks yet.. | 03:53 |
Burgwork | where are you moving to? | 03:54 |
Liz | new zealand | 03:55 |
Liz | so im going to be offline till my pc arrives..and we get internet access there | 03:55 |
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tehwa | Quick question, is there currently any support from documentation writers to modify the current Documentation of Applications such as gnomebaker on Ubuntu to be targeted towards ubuntu users specifically? | 05:56 |
tehwa | That is for example, to modify the way that gnomebaker is started in the docs (command line: gnomebaker) to ubuntu style (Applications,Soundand Video, gnomebaker) | 05:56 |
tehwa | is there any way that these docs could have a seperate version for inclusion in an Ubuntu release? | 05:57 |
LaserJock | I don't think there is support for that now. I think the best we have is the Desktop Starter Guide | 05:59 |
tehwa | ah, ok | 05:59 |
LaserJock | but we don't change the documentation that comes with apps | 06:00 |
LaserJock | that I know of anyway | 06:00 |
jsgotangco | that's upstream work | 06:06 |
tehwa | understood | 06:07 |
jsgotangco | even the gnome user guide doesn't delve on specific apps | 06:07 |
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robotgeek | hey Madpilot | 07:34 |
Madpilot | hi robotgeek - what's up? | 07:34 |
robotgeek | Madpilot: nothing much, drunk after quite a while :) | 07:36 |
Madpilot | heh. I'm on ASA for a headache, can't drink this evening :( | 07:36 |
robotgeek | ASA? | 07:37 |
Madpilot | painkiller drug - like Asprin | 07:38 |
robotgeek | ah, okay | 07:38 |
Madpilot | can't remember the actual long name | 07:39 |
robotgeek | what's up with Digg doing lame stories like "How to install Firefox 1.5 on Ubuntu" with a link to Ubuntu's wiki page on Firefox 1.5? | 07:39 |
Madpilot | could this be because Digg sucks? :P | 07:40 |
robotgeek | yeah, i prefer slash. today they also had an article linking to Autoatix | 07:40 |
mpt | and it's ok if "slash" does it and not if Digg does? | 07:41 |
Madpilot | I've never been a fan of Digg, and I only go to /. sporadically | 07:41 |
Madpilot | /. is only worth reading for the (+5 Funny) comments | 07:42 |
robotgeek | i go to slash daily, mostly for the comments | 07:42 |
mpt | If tips and tricks for Ubuntu are being front-paged on a site that's hardly even geeky, that's excellent news IMO | 07:42 |
Madpilot | Digg is still fairly geeky | 07:43 |
robotgeek | i don't get it at all, it's there for the taking on the Ubuntu wiki, a Ubuntu documentation specific site. PPl who are going to post there are going to be ppl who have used the wiki, anyways i think | 07:44 |
mpt | In contrast a much more interesting story about Red Hat has been submitted six times in the past three days, and hasn't reached nearly the same level of popularity | 07:45 |
mpt | It just shows that (a) Ubuntu is popular, and (b) it's not keeping as up-to-date as many people want | 07:45 |
robotgeek | true, but that's the deal you get with Ubuntu. You have the backports or so if you want to try the bleeding edge stuff. Or install Dapper | 07:46 |
mpt | Saying "that's the deal you get" doesn't change what people want :-) | 07:47 |
mpt | Anyway, I've been to the forums about twice in the past year | 07:47 |
mpt | and it wouldn't surprise me if many people who frequent the forums don't know the wiki well | 07:47 |
robotgeek | i go there everyday. i have filtered out the Community talk forums. Also, i find it difficult to use the forum markup, but that doesn't stop me from helping people. | 07:48 |
robotgeek | people ask the same questions over and over again, i just point them to the wiki | 07:49 |
robotgeek | they have some nice threads there, but i don't get to lean much there :( | 07:50 |
robotgeek | learn, err | 07:50 |
robotgeek | hey Madpilot , did you ask a question on the forums? :) if so, use dhclient | 07:51 |
Madpilot | the IP release/renew question? that was me | 07:52 |
Madpilot | thanks, I'll look at dhclient | 07:52 |
robotgeek | ifup and ifdown rely on /etc/network/interfaces, not so using dhclient | 07:52 |
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Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 08:12 |
robotgeek | hey Burgundavia | 08:12 |
Burgundavia | salut robotgeek Madpilot | 08:25 |
mdke | Burgundavia, did you see my attempt at putting the faqguide on the wiki? | 09:49 |
Burgundavia | mdke, nope | 09:50 |
mdke | http://help.ubuntu.com/wiki/FaqGuide2 | 09:50 |
mdke | it needs some work ;) | 09:51 |
Burgundavia | yes, but a good start | 09:51 |
Burgundavia | my thought would be each major section could a page | 09:51 |
jsgotangco | :/ | 09:51 |
Burgundavia | subpage, with the section name as the page name | 09:51 |
mdke | Burgundavia, i don't see how you can do that | 09:51 |
mdke | not as html | 09:51 |
mdke | the interlinks won't work | 09:51 |
mdke | i would have thought the page theming can be cleared up, but I can't see anything but single-page only working | 09:52 |
Burgundavia | I am certain we could build a script to do it, but it is not worth it for the first pass at least | 09:52 |
mdke | oh shit I know why the theming is all screwed up | 09:55 |
mdke | it's using the wiki css _and_ the faqguide css | 09:55 |
mdke | that should be quite easy to fix | 09:55 |
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jjesse | morning jsgotangco | 03:53 |
jsgotangco | jjesse: hey | 03:54 |
jjesse | i didn't like how that switching guide i wrote looked so i'm totally re-writing it, don't even know if we can use it but thought what the hey... | 03:54 |
jsgotangco | jjesse: hmmm does riddell apply some more css to the html when done? | 03:54 |
jjesse | jsgotangco: usually he has the super secret kubuntu css or something like that so it looks like releasenotes | 03:55 |
jsgotangco | jjesse: we can always release a doc even after release anyways | 03:55 |
jsgotangco | switching guide = migration? | 03:55 |
jjesse | yeah switching your friend from windows to kubuntu | 03:56 |
jsgotangco | mmm our svn is still big :/ | 03:56 |
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jsgotangco | but it seems our kubuntu dapper has *serious* networking issues | 03:56 |
jjesse | riddell found a website that had the guide on and got permission to use it in the docs, but i've made a ton of changes from what is on the webiste | 03:56 |
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jsgotangco | sure it does | 03:57 |
jsgotangco | but kcontrol doesn't even remember the network settings :/ | 03:57 |
jjesse | robotgeek: go really crazy and put kde 3.5.1 on it | 03:57 |
jsgotangco | its really irrittating | 03:57 |
robotgeek | jjesse: just updating dapper won't give me that? | 03:58 |
jjesse | jsgotangco: i'm using vmplayer per the doc mgalvin put together to run my dapper install | 03:58 |
jjesse | robotgeek: nope need to add the repository for it | 03:58 |
jjesse | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ | 03:58 |
jsgotangco | robotgeek: nope | 03:59 |
jsgotangco | we're sticking to 3.5 | 03:59 |
robotgeek | jjesse: i am only updating for the guide, so i think i'll pass :) | 03:59 |
robotgeek | if 3.5.1 is going to be on the final dapper, i will upgrade, else no | 04:00 |
jsgotangco | robotgeek: i don't think so, we're already UVF | 04:00 |
jsgotangco | unless we get some stroke of sabdfl push :) | 04:01 |
jjesse | jsgotangco: i think riddell just want some feedback on it | 04:01 |
jjesse | so i'm helping him out | 04:01 |
robotgeek | jsgotangco: hmm, okay. i also have to purge .kde | 04:01 |
jsgotangco | 3.5.1? | 04:01 |
jsgotangco | jjesse: i can afford to break this machine just in case | 04:02 |
robotgeek | jjesse: i'm going to be putting dapper on a usb this weekend, i'll upgrade to 3.5.1 on that one | 04:03 |
robotgeek | maybe i should also help out with the laptop testing report | 04:04 |
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robotgeek | nice, Kubuntu on dapper is noob-friendly! | 04:31 |
robotgeek | i file dapper bugs on malone, right | 04:38 |
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jsgotangco | robotgeek: i'm grabbing kde 3.5.1 now | 05:13 |
robotgeek | jsgotangco: nice. looks like i am going to have to file a bug on the "NetworkSettings" screen, i can't click the administrator buttong | 05:13 |
robotgeek | i'm filling out a laptoptesting report right now | 05:14 |
jsgotangco | robotgeek: dapper? | 05:15 |
robotgeek | both breezy and dapper, since i have both installed | 05:16 |
jjesse | ok back from giving blood | 05:17 |
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robotgeek | damn, the kde-systemsettings bug almost makes it impossible to do gui anything. | 07:31 |
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robotgeek | hey LaserJock | 07:38 |
LaserJock | hi robotgeek | 07:39 |
robotgeek | i've been busy doing LaptopTesting and reporting bugs | 07:40 |
LaserJock | coo; | 07:40 |
LaserJock | cool, I mean :-) | 07:40 |
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mdke | evening all | 09:10 |
LaserJock | hi mdke | 09:10 |
mdke | y0 | 09:11 |
LaserJock | how's it going? | 09:11 |
mdke | well, you? | 09:12 |
LaserJock | alright, busy though | 09:12 |
mdke | me too, in a good kinda way | 09:17 |
LaserJock | I'm working on the packaging guide but real life is busy as well | 09:17 |
mdke | i saw a fat commit from you :) | 09:17 |
mdke | i even blogged about you and the packaging guide | 09:18 |
LaserJock | oh no | 09:19 |
LaserJock | where? | 09:19 |
mdke | heh | 09:19 |
mdke | its on planet | 09:19 |
LaserJock | oh cool | 09:21 |
LaserJock | It wasn't ready for planet but I'll hopefully get it up to speed | 09:21 |
mdke | course its ready | 09:21 |
mdke | people can help if they like :) | 09:21 |
LaserJock | well, that is why I committed it | 09:21 |
LaserJock | I really don't want it to be just my project. I want to get lots of people involved | 09:22 |
mdke | that's cool | 09:22 |
mdke | motu can chip in, thecore is helping | 09:22 |
LaserJock | yeah, that's my hope | 09:22 |
LaserJock | MOTU is getting some good wiki material that I hope to incorporate into the packaging guide | 09:23 |
mdke | oh good | 09:23 |
mdke | looks like we might have a new contributors on the desktopguide too, I hope so | 09:24 |
LaserJock | I think we have a decent chance of making the Ubuntu Packaging Guide the best .deb packaging resource available out there | 09:24 |
mdke | wow | 09:25 |
mdke | that would be SERIOUSLY cool | 09:25 |
LaserJock | I mean, I've been asking MOTUs and others for their packaging resources and trying to incorporate the info in a hopefully easy and example based guide | 09:26 |
LaserJock | that is my hope anyway | 09:26 |
LaserJock | but it is a *lot* of work | 09:26 |
Burgwork | LaserJock, example based is good. I have beat my head against the new maintainers guide enough | 09:27 |
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LaserJock | Burgwork: yeah, I'm trying to go beyond the NMG but without dumbing it down so that it is useless. In the beginning I think it might look overwhelming. | 09:28 |
LaserJock | I am trying to put as much material as I can in, and then we can weed out stuff we don't need | 09:28 |
Burgwork | LaserJock, good example would be adding a .desktop file | 09:28 |
LaserJock | Burgwork: good idea, I'm also collecting a "common mistakes" section | 09:28 |
Burgwork | LaserJock, another would be a basic python program | 09:29 |
robotgeek | LaserJock: also about dependencies, do we put in the highest dependencies for a program? | 09:29 |
LaserJock | I'm hoping once I get the ball rolling we can add more and more material | 09:29 |
Burgwork | is it just me, or there about 19 different ways to package for .deb? | 09:29 |
robotgeek | :) | 09:29 |
LaserJock | exactly | 09:29 |
LaserJock | that is one of the biggest problems I face | 09:30 |
LaserJock | there is no *single* way to package | 09:30 |
Burgwork | editing any package that already exists means that you need to know each way | 09:30 |
Burgwork | and it means you cnanot look at a number of packages to get examples | 09:30 |
LaserJock | exactly, that's why I'm setting up different scenarios that show each of the major ways | 09:30 |
Burgwork | are rpms easier to create? | 09:31 |
LaserJock | I think they are but I've never tries | 09:31 |
LaserJock | s/tries/tried | 09:31 |
Burgwork | I think some people in debian that the fact that it is harder to package for .deb is a good thing, because it means you get higher quality packages, because it weeds out the stupid people | 09:32 |
LaserJock | another problem for me right now is that sometime (hopefully for Dapper) Diziet will have a Ubuntu Developer's Reference that is based on the Debian Developer's Reference | 09:32 |
LaserJock | Burgwork: well, it's not easy for sure, but if you have patience I think it is worth while | 09:33 |
Burgwork | I don;t think I am dumb person, but .deb packaging has me totally stumped | 09:34 |
LaserJock | I'm fairly new to packaging myself | 09:34 |
LaserJock | in the beginning it is very confusing | 09:34 |
LaserJock | partially because there is no one way to do any task | 09:35 |
robotgeek | i'm going through each chapter of DNMG right now :) | 09:35 |
LaserJock | and partially because the documentation is scattered and abstract | 09:35 |
robotgeek | there is no shorcut out, heh | 09:35 |
LaserJock | I (and other's I have talked to) found the Appedicies of the DNMG to be the most helpful | 09:36 |
LaserJock | and that isn't the way a Guide should be | 09:36 |
LaserJock | Now as I'm trying to write a Packaging Guide, I can see where they were coming from. There is so much to learn, how do you be complete without overwhelming the reader. | 09:37 |
LaserJock | what I'm shooting for is to use an incremental approach with specific targeted examples. | 09:39 |
LaserJock | I'm not sure how realistic that is, but I think it's worth a shot | 09:39 |
robotgeek | i think that would be great, some hand holding would help, i think :) | 09:39 |
robotgeek | i think i picked a pretty tough package for my first attempt, i think it will help | 09:40 |
LaserJock | robotgeek: yes, you did pick a tough one | 09:40 |
LaserJock | robotgeek: I actually started out by patching packages that already existed. I saw how other people packaged. | 09:41 |
mdke | LaserJock, how is diziet's guide going to be a problem? | 09:42 |
robotgeek | i don't have to turn it in tommorow. the whole of MOTU will be busy right now, i guess | 09:42 |
LaserJock | mdke: the problem is that his doc is a reference, and mine is a guide but there is a fair amount of grey area | 09:43 |
mdke | hmm | 09:44 |
robotgeek | LaserJock: Universe Packages aren't affected by the feature freeze, or are they? | 09:44 |
mdke | did you talk to him? | 09:44 |
LaserJock | mdke: he hasn't started on the Ubuntu Developer's Reference so I really don't know how far into the reference arena I should go | 09:44 |
mdke | robotgeek, don't forget the docs :( | 09:44 |
LaserJock | mdke: I talked to him a little bit but his is much to busy with other things | 09:44 |
robotgeek | mdke: no, it's just 5 packages. i'm not going anywhere | 09:44 |
mdke | :) | 09:44 |
mdke | LaserJock, don't give up on talking to him tho | 09:45 |
robotgeek | mdke: plus, i got dapper installed today. hopefully, i shud be churning stuff out by the end of the week | 09:45 |
mdke | yay | 09:45 |
LaserJock | robotgeek: for Dapper, Universe is bound to the same timeline as Main so UVF and FF are the same | 09:45 |
robotgeek | LaserJock: so it's kind of useless for me to build these packages right away? | 09:46 |
LaserJock | robotgeek: you can get them in up until Feature Freeze | 09:46 |
robotgeek | i tht that was done already? | 09:46 |
LaserJock | no that was Upstream Version Freeze | 09:46 |
LaserJock | FF is ~ Feb 23rd | 09:47 |
robotgeek | okay, i better hurry :) | 09:47 |
mdke | LaserJock, do you want someone else to speak to him about it? | 09:47 |
LaserJock | but you can get them into Debian at any time and we will just get them into Dapper+1 if you aren't fast enough ;-) | 09:47 |
LaserJock | mdke: I don't know that it's a big deal at this point. I mean, if I go too far into the Reference area he can just take my material | 09:48 |
mdke | alrighty | 09:48 |
robotgeek | i think i'll manage to build one of these beasts today. i just need to check up on the depends correctly. they have very decent configures, so i don't think i will have to do too much | 09:49 |
LaserJock | mdke: that is a big reason why we need the packaging guide to be GPL | 09:49 |
LaserJock | mdke: all the Debian developer docs are GPL and the Ubuntu Developer's Reference will be GPL as well | 09:49 |
mdke | yah | 09:50 |
mdke | no problem | 09:50 |
LaserJock | I've been watching the Dapper Development Status reports on ubuntu-devel-announce and it has a listing of all the spec's and there status | 09:51 |
LaserJock | and so under Diziet it has the status of the UDR | 09:51 |
LaserJock | and so far every week it just says "Not started yet" | 09:51 |
mdke | yeah | 09:52 |
LaserJock | I offered once to help but I might bug him again shortly | 09:52 |
mdke | okies | 09:52 |
LaserJock | but our TZs don't work well ;-) | 09:52 |
mdke | ok | 09:53 |
mdke | i'm in his timezone, so if you want me to have a word, say so | 09:53 |
LaserJock | ok thanks | 09:53 |
LaserJock | once I get something real maybe I'll have him take a look | 09:53 |
mdke | cool | 09:53 |
LaserJock | but it is quite hard to have a guide withough tons of reference material, I'm still not sure how to structure that | 09:54 |
LaserJock | however, right now I'm just trying to get as much material as I can. It's easier to weed stuff out and rearrange later | 09:56 |
mdke | ok | 09:56 |
mdke | you think you'll have it ready-ish for dapper? | 09:56 |
LaserJock | I am totally committed to having a workable packaging guide for dapper | 09:57 |
mdke | that would rock | 09:58 |
LaserJock | It might not have as much as I want but I think it should be done in the sense that it isn't missing parts | 09:58 |
LaserJock | I see this as an ongoing project but I think we should have the basics for dapper | 09:59 |
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LaserJock | but that said, I've never done anything like this before so I could be totally wrong ;-) but I don't think so | 10:01 |
mdke | sounds all good to me | 10:02 |
mdke | who knows how to subscribe to multiple pages in Moin with a wildcard? | 10:05 |
LaserJock | I do it for MOTU | 10:06 |
LaserJock | do .* | 10:06 |
Madpilot | * is the standard wildcard, isn't it? | 10:06 |
LaserJock | like I do MOTU.* | 10:07 |
Madpilot | if you're really brave/insane you can just put * in your Subscribe field, and get the whole damn wiki... :P | 10:07 |
mdke | I tried DocumentationTeam/*, you think DocumentationTeam/.* will work? | 10:07 |
LaserJock | yeah | 10:07 |
Burgwork | robotgeek, ping | 10:08 |
LaserJock | I think something changed at some point, I used to just use * but then it stopped working and I had to use .* (which is what a regexp whould look like, I think) | 10:08 |
robotgeek | hey Burgwork | 10:08 |
Burgwork | robotgeek, did you not work on WifiDocs? | 10:08 |
robotgeek | Burgwork: no, still working offline on the ndiswrapper stuff | 10:09 |
Burgwork | robotgeek, someone nuked with WifiDocs page | 10:09 |
robotgeek | Burgwork: hmm, like what? | 10:09 |
Madpilot | Burgwork: no they didn't - they nuked WiFiDocs - note difference in capitaliztion | 10:10 |
Burgwork | Madpilot, ah | 10:10 |
Burgwork | grumble | 10:10 |
robotgeek | Burgwork: scared me for a moment :) | 10:10 |
Burgwork | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiBroadcomDriver <-- more useless crap, grumble some more | 10:10 |
=== Burgwork is a cheery mood today | ||
mdke | robotgeek, you can always restore nuked pages | 10:11 |
robotgeek | lol, Waiting for JackDog | 10:11 |
robotgeek | mdke: yeah, i tht i messed up along the way somewhere :) | 10:11 |
mdke | btw I don't like the name WifiDocs | 10:13 |
mdke | something without Docs in the title would be nice, iMO | 10:13 |
Madpilot | WiFiHowto? | 10:14 |
robotgeek | heh, i asked around the other night. | 10:15 |
robotgeek | Madpilot: WiFiHowto is already a Howto :) | 10:15 |
mdke | "Wireless" | 10:17 |
Burgwork | WirelessHowto | 10:17 |
mdke | Howto is kinda as bad as Docs, I reckon | 10:17 |
mdke | actually, no not as bad | 10:18 |
robotgeek | *sniff* | 10:18 |
mdke | lol | 10:18 |
Burgwork | robotgeek, that involves a lot of moving for you | 10:18 |
Burgwork | ;) | 10:18 |
mdke | so Burgwork, how many documentation pages are there which aren't tagged with CategoryDocumentation, do you think? | 10:18 |
robotgeek | Burgwork: if i redirect the main page, it won't do the subpages? | 10:19 |
mdke | robotgeek, no | 10:19 |
robotgeek | oh noes | 10:19 |
Burgwork | mdke, very few. search for -redirect -categorydocumentation in text search | 10:19 |
mdke | Burgwork, that's good news | 10:19 |
Burgwork | mdke, and -category | 10:19 |
mdke | perhaps the script option is a good one for BetterWikiDocs | 10:19 |
Burgwork | mdke, I am certain we can use a script | 10:20 |
mdke | i mean for moving the pages | 10:20 |
Burgwork | yes, so did I | 10:20 |
mdke | ah | 10:20 |
Burgwork | sweet, when at help.ubuntu.com, we can actually have useful categories | 10:20 |
mdke | yes | 10:21 |
mdke | we can discuss those later along the line | 10:21 |
=== Burgwork starts dancing with joy | ||
mdke | the moin 1.5 WYSIWYG editor is quite nice, be cool if we can get them to upgrade | 10:23 |
Burgwork | I wasn't much of a fan, but hey, to each there own | 10:24 |
Burgwork | at least it exists | 10:24 |
Burgwork | mdke, what do you think about adding a Help tab to the main ubuntu site? | 10:25 |
mdke | you mean rename "support"? | 10:25 |
Burgwork | that might work | 10:25 |
Burgwork | but support is slightly different than help | 10:25 |
Burgwork | http://www.subuntu.com/subuntu.shtml <-- hmm | 10:31 |
Burgwork | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Using_Ubuntu_to_help_Detroit_youth <-- part of my evil plan to bring even more Ubuntu to digg | 10:33 |
robotgeek | well, i gotta go to to heaven on earth, Fry's. Cya all later | 10:34 |
Burgwork | robotgeek_away, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PageHits <-- WiFi howto is already number 7 in popularity | 10:45 |
Burgwork | s/7/15 | 10:45 |
mdke | gah why the hell is StartSeite number 5 | 10:46 |
mdke | oh it's not a moin page, it's an Ubuntu localised page, nice | 10:47 |
Burgwork | mdke, will we be able to nuke that Help stuff that moin spews into the main namespace? | 10:51 |
Burgwork | mdke, and there is a hack to allow for userpages on a differnt wiki, thoughts? | 10:52 |
mdke | Burgwork, all pages can be nuked | 10:52 |
mdke | userpages can stay on the main wiki i think | 10:52 |
mdke | otherwise it will get complicated | 10:52 |
Burgwork | ok, glad we agree on this | 10:53 |
mdke | while I like the idea of having a separate one, it will confuse the users i think | 10:53 |
Burgwork | mdke, I mean the main wiki, not a seperate one | 10:53 |
mdke | oh | 10:53 |
Burgwork | i wish moin had more robust communication tools | 10:53 |
mdke | interwiki works | 10:54 |
mdke | http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/MatthewEast | 10:56 |
mdke | (bottom section) | 10:56 |
mdke | or #REDIRECT | 10:57 |
Burgwork | yep, I see that | 10:58 |
mdke | #REFRESH i mean | 10:58 |
Burgwork | mdke, I have controversational suggestion for once we switch | 11:18 |
Burgwork | mdke, lets jump to mediawiki style markup | 11:19 |
=== Burgwork also wants to drop camelcase and freelinking, but that is another fight to be fought | ||
LaserJock | ffewww, I made my commit for the day :-) | 11:40 |
Burgwork | LaserJock, my suggestion, make smaller commits. It makes them easier to rollback, etc. if something breaks between one commit and the nexty | 11:41 |
crimsun | lots of small commits == good | 11:41 |
LaserJock | Burgwork: yeah, I've been trying to figure out what the best size is. | 11:41 |
LaserJock | I'm very new to revision control | 11:42 |
Burgwork | LaserJock, each commit should have a complete edit in it, but not much more | 11:42 |
Burgwork | LaserJock, it should always work between commits | 11:42 |
LaserJock | well, the problem right now is that I'm trying to commit by section and since I'm writing it from scratch basically the commits are big | 11:43 |
LaserJock | maybe I should commit by subsection | 11:43 |
LaserJock | ;-) | 11:43 |
LaserJock | crimsun: btw, It would be reallly nice if you could look over the packaging guide sometime | 11:44 |
crimsun | LaserJock: url? | 11:44 |
crimsun | (sorry, lazy/meeting) | 11:45 |
LaserJock | its in the doc team repo generic/packagingguide/C/ | 11:50 |
LaserJock | and its on doc.ubuntu.com but that takes some time to update | 11:51 |
crimsun | ok, I'll look in the repo | 11:51 |
LaserJock | crimsun: thanks | 11:51 |
LaserJock | mdke: btw is it ok to change the GPL license XML? | 11:52 |
LaserJock | mdke: the structure makes the HTML look bad | 11:53 |
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