[07:15] <ranf> hi
[08:20] <allee> #apt-proxy
[08:56] <mdz> JaneW: would you check that everyone is here?
[08:56] <pitti> Good evening ladies and gentlemen
[08:57] <mdz> (everyone we expect, that is)
[08:57] <Riddell> hi
[08:57] <Keybuk> ..., transgendered, undecided and everywhere in between
[08:57] <Kamion> mdz: I'm here, but we have a sick child here so I may have to leave at very short notice; in case I do, JaneW has my update
[08:57] <pitti> Keybuk: don't forget about the aliens as well :)
[08:57] <jbailey> Long haired slackjawed hippy here.
[08:58] <mdz> Kamion: ok
[08:58] <ogra> meep
[08:58] <JaneW> mdz: will do, just gathering excuses/updates
[08:58] <Keybuk> pitti: hmm, what was that term Banks used for the "one in between"?  "Apex"?
[08:58] <Kamion> yes
[08:58] <pitti> Keybuk: no idea what you mean
[08:59] <JaneW> BenC, doko, fabbione, infinity,  Mithrandir ping
[08:59] <infinity> pong
[08:59] <fabbione> pong
[08:59] <jbailey> Keybuk: I haven't come up with a graceful way to say "Ladies, Gentleman and Trannies" yet, and the GBILTQQ group that I know doesn't have any suggestions.
[08:59] <BenC> here
[08:59] <doko> JaneW: pong
[08:59] <JaneW> mjg59, seb128, Riddell : ping
[09:00] <seb128> JaneW: why pinging me? :)
[09:00] <seb128> pong :)
[09:00] <JaneW> sivang: ping
[09:00] <jbailey> seb128: She's doing Matt's bidding. =)
[09:00] <Riddell> JaneW: pong
[09:00] <JaneW> seb128: checking if everyone is here for meeting
[09:00] <JaneW> seb128: like we do every week
[09:00] <Riddell> my polite "hi" must not be audible enough
[09:01] <pitti> seb128: and you better pong back, you know JaneW's whip :)
[09:01] <seb128> JaneW: right, I just joined so I thought it was clear I was around, but not harm to ping :)
[09:01] <JaneW> mvo, dholbach & iwj have sent appologies
[09:01] <JaneW> and Kamion may need to be excused
[09:01] <JaneW> Riddell: yes sorry I missed that ;)
[09:01] <JaneW> shout next time ;)
[09:01] <Keybuk> btw, what are we doing for the meeting next week?
[09:01] <Mithrandir> HELLO, JANE
[09:01] <JaneW> is daniels expected or not?
[09:01] <Kamion> Keybuk: 10am
[09:01] <mdz> Keybuk: we'll all sit on IRC of course
[09:02] <JaneW> HELLO TOLLEF
[09:02] <Mithrandir> :-)
[09:02] <Keybuk> Kamion: aww, I was quite looking forwards to doing it at 2am after clubbing ;)
[09:02] <mdz> ok, let's get started
[09:02] <mdz> BenC: you're up
[09:02] <infinity> JaneW: Seems unlikely.
[09:02] <JaneW> Keybuk: pah
[09:02] <BenC> community-server-hardware-testing: General support is in place. Announcement to start community testing will go out today or tomorrow.
[09:02] <BenC> Kernel status: Currently working on regressions in snd-powermac. Going back through bug reports to work on regressions from breezy.
[09:03] <Keybuk> JaneW: I was especially looking forward to how you'd cope with it :p
[09:03] <mdz> BenC: if you need extra hands dealing with the community interaction for server testing, I'm sure fabbione as server team lead will be happy to oblige
[09:03] <BenC> mdz: ok
[09:03] <fabbione> mdz: did i say that while i was drunk?
[09:03] <JaneW> :P......*
[09:03] <BenC> hehe
[09:03] <mdz> fabbione: I paid helen back for you
[09:04] <mdz> BenC: thanks
[09:04] <fabbione> mdz: ok thanks.
[09:04] <mdz> JaneW: dholbach?
[09:04] <Keybuk> he "walking the dog" again? ;)
[09:04] <JaneW> I have that hang on
[09:04] <JaneW> dholbach: this week (done): bug triage, updates, motu organisation
[09:04] <JaneW> this week (todo): getting ekiga, bug triage, apt-get.org reviews
[09:04] <JaneW> next week: gnome 2.13.90, bug triage, apt-get.org reviews 
[09:05] <JaneW> he is at a trade show
[09:05] <mdz> ok
[09:05] <mdz> doko: next
[09:05] <ogra> presenting edubuntu *g* :)
[09:05] <doko> mdz: can we have a short rount at the end about who brings which hardware to the meeting?
[09:05] <mdz> doko: sure
[09:05] <JaneW> ogra: yay
[09:05] <doko> this week:
[09:06] <doko> - openoffice.org: ongoing merging with Debian unstable, setup baz archive for the debian/ parts, starting test builds to identify bugs present in Ubuntu but not in other distros.
[09:06] <doko> - python-roadmap: python-central update, discussions/coordination with debian-python
[09:06] <doko> - other: syncs/merges, updates to new upstream versions, make mozilla
[09:06] <doko> - java-roadmap: make mozilla-dev usable again, eclipse updates (works on i386, problems on amd64)
[09:06] <doko> next week:
[09:06] <doko> - distro sprint
[09:06] <mdz> in fact, if everyone would include their sprint ideas with their updates, that would be great
[09:06] <mdz> doko: anything in particular you will be working on during the sprint?
[09:06] <mdz> BenC: same question
[09:06] <doko> sprint ideas:
[09:06] <doko> == Transitions ==
[09:06] <doko>  * Drop Python2.3, convert packages in main to use python-central/python-support (MatthiasKlose)
[09:06] <doko> == Discussions ==
[09:06] <doko>  * How to dump^Wdemote package from main to the MOTUs?
[09:06] <doko>  * Planning work for dapper+1-toolchain. Is it still needed/appropriate? Or just let it happen as in the past?
[09:06] <doko>  * ISDN testing (MichaelVogt, MatthiasKlose) 
[09:07] <mdz> cool
[09:07] <BenC> mdz: nothing in particular
[09:07] <doko> I'd like to have some feedback about the python packaging
[09:07] <doko> at the sprint ...
[09:07] <mdz> doko: thanks
[09:07] <mdz> fabbione? 
[09:08] <infinity> doko : I may have some things to say about it.  I haven't been following the debian-ptython stuff recently, though.
[09:08] <fabbione> * server-candy: no progress. Added -server activities to DistroSprint2006Ideas
[09:08] <fabbione> * ubuntu-cluster: no progress.
[09:08] <fabbione> * boot-from-usb: implemented.
[09:08] <fabbione> * last week: Holidays.
[09:08] <fabbione> * this week: catch up from hell with emails and other activities. Started apache-mini-sprint today.
[09:08] <fabbione> * next week: distro sprint: server candy work.
[09:09] <mdz> fabbione: thanks
[09:09] <mdz> infinity?
[09:09] <fabbione> mdz: welcome
[09:09] <infinity> last week: was on VAC all last week except for today; no spec progress (obviously), and good progress on Apache 2.2 today at the Apache minisprint.
[09:09] <infinity> next week: more apache mini-sprint, then distro sprint.
[09:09] <infinity> sprint ideas: I'd like to clear up any major library transitions we need done, while I have people there to bug about FTBFS issues and such.
[09:10] <mdz> cool, thanks
[09:10] <mdz> JaneW: ian?
[09:10] <JaneW> iwj sent me load of stuff ito updates... let me know when to stop ;)
[09:10] <JaneW> Tasks and work progress:
[09:10] <JaneW> AutomatedTesting: initial package uploaded to Debian and Ubuntu, autodebtest 0.5.1, awaiting NEW processing in both. Announcement not yet written; I'll do that when it's in at least one of the archives (announcement(s) will go to u-devel and d-devel at least). Next steps: wire piuparts into it (some design required); talk to soyuz and sysadmin people about what shape interface they want for automatic testing of uploads; write m
[09:10] <JaneW> ore per-package tests.
[09:10] <JaneW> Firefox: persistent but not consistent reports of crashes. I suspect the Flash plugin. There are definite problems with the hack for Flash sound support, which I plan to disable. See https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/29760.
[09:10] <JaneW> DeveloperDocumentation: Not started, not blocked.
[09:10] <JaneW> Email backlog: caught up (yay)
[09:10] <JaneW> Things to do at the sprint:
[09:10] <JaneW> * I would like anyone with a firefox bug to please demo it front of me. I want to spend much of the week trying to track as many of these down as possible.
[09:10] <JaneW> * AutomatedTesting discussions with sysadmin/soyuz people, to result in agreed interface shape and/or tasks. See above. Will elmo be at the sprint ?
[09:10] <JaneW> * There are some systematic problems with the LP UI (for example, the
[09:10] <JaneW> 3-column layout is one of my pet peeves). To appropriately drive
[09:10] <JaneW> change on these issues, we (the distro team) need to 1. discuss
[09:10] <JaneW> amongst ourselves what our opinions are and 2. come to some
[09:10] <JaneW> conclusions that have strong and broad support in the distro team.
[09:10] <JaneW> This will clarify discussions with LP designers and help us to drive
[09:10] <JaneW> good changes (even if they can't be implemented right away).
[09:10] <JaneW> It will also allow us to identify criticisms that are not widely
[09:10] <JaneW> shared so that those people can know they're not going to win the
[09:10] <JaneW> argument and can stop arguing. I would suggest the following
[09:11] <JaneW> structure: 1. plenary meeting (1h) to brainstorm opinions/
[09:11] <JaneW> criticisms/ideas and nominate champions for particular points of view
[09:11] <JaneW> (with lists of rough supporters for champions to talk to);
[09:11] <JaneW> 2. refinement by champions offline and with informal discussions;
[09:11] <JaneW> 3. plenary meeting where champions present opinions and meeting
[09:11] <JaneW> decides (by show of hands if necessary) which opinions have consensus.
[09:11] <JaneW> (Note that I envisage that some champions' positions will be
[09:11] <JaneW> indepedent of each other, but others might be contradictory.) This
[09:11] <JaneW> will take about 3h for each distro team member, which I hope is not
[09:11] <JaneW> too much and I think it will help clear the air.
[09:11] <JaneW> 4. consensus views documented by champions passed to LP development
[09:11] <mdz> I don't think it'll be necessary to wire testing into uploads; we can just periodically test the archive
[09:11] <JaneW> team (eg as bug reports).
[09:11] <JaneW> ok the last line...
[09:11] <JaneW> Probably, you don't want to paste all of that into the meeting :-).
[09:11] <JaneW> So as a summary:
[09:11] <Kamion> heh, bit late
[09:11] <JaneW> * IWJ would like to come to closure, and rough consensus, on disputed LP UI issues - at least within the distro team.
[09:11] <JaneW> :)
[09:11] <pitti> mdz: hm, rejecting uploads on regressions would be sexy, though
[09:11] <Keybuk> he does realise that we did all this at UBZ, especially jbailey and I, and we managed to get just one slight change to the UI out of all of our work? :)
[09:12] <Kamion> (worth noting that bradb has got approval for a 2-column layout for some of the bug pages)
[09:12] <mdz> yes, elmo will be at the sprint
[09:12] <mdz> Kamion: !
[09:12] <Keybuk> Kamion: "one" of the bug pages :)  but yes, \o/
[09:12] <Kamion> mdz: should be in either #ubuntu-devel or #canonical archives for today, I forget which
[09:12] <Kamion> I think it was the bug contact index
[09:13] <mdz> JaneW: I don't want to argue launchpad UI issues at the sprint; LP won't be represented there
[09:13] <ogra> for the overview and search output page
[09:13] <JaneW> mdz: ok, I'll gag him
[09:13] <mdz> it would just be us complaining
[09:13] <ogra> http://flickr.com/photos/84096161@N00/91073757/
[09:13] <mdz> I've received email with Malone issues from some of you, but not all
[09:13] <ogra> 2 column layout ^^
[09:14] <mdz> those of you who didn't send mail don't get to complain about Malone :-)
[09:14] <mdz> JaneW: thanks
[09:14] <jbailey> mdz: The rest of us are just filing bugs instead. ;)
[09:14] <mdz> jbailey: I do want to be in the loop regarding what's most hurting you
[09:14] <jbailey> mdz: 'k
[09:14] <mdz> I will chase those down with LP mgmt personally
[09:14] <mdz> a list of 3 bug numbers is sufficient
[09:15] <jbailey> Cool.
[09:15] <mdz> jbailey: anything to report status-wise?
[09:15] <jbailey>  * Toolchainroadmap - I'd like to peel off the timezone data from glibc and put them into the langpacks.  It's not an ideal fit, but timezone data is updated a number of times (6 to 10) a year.  Have already had one request to update Breezy.  Spoke with pitti, it seems good.  Will figure out what this means and email to mdz for an okay.
[09:15] <jbailey> == Sprint Ideas ==
[09:15] <jbailey>  * Roundtable discussion of dropping pre-i686 from main Ubuntu port.  A side effect of this is probably a discussion on buntu.
[09:15] <jbailey>  * Group session to understand how langpack updates work, and how I should work with pitti (and others?) to get updates in.
[09:15] <jbailey>  * Jam session.  Bring instruments. =)
[09:15] <jbailey> 
[09:15] <JaneW> jbailey: we making jam? 8)
[09:15] <Keybuk> mdz: I've tended to just talk to bradb directly ;)
[09:16] <pitti> jbailey: s/langpacks/locales package/ I assume?
[09:16] <jbailey> pitti: Yes, sorry.
[09:16] <mdz> jbailey: cool, thanks
[09:16] <mdz> JaneW: anything from jdub?
[09:16] <JaneW> nope, not a word
[09:17] <mdz> Kamion: next
[09:17] <Kamion> cd-bootloader: Implemented keymap selection. Only localised help is left here.
[09:17] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-bootloader: Implemented espresso-grub. (This just needs espresso-yaboot now and then it'll be done, and I think that's fairly easy.)
[09:17] <Kamion> ue-partitioning-tool: Made formatting and mounting be done using partman too, which eliminates some duplication and some outright wrong and dangerous code. UI still slow and clunky though; I have plans for this, probably to be discussed and played with at the sprint.
[09:17] <Kamion> ubuntu-express: Would have uploaded an initial working-for-me version today but for my disk problems. I'll do it tomorrow.
[09:17] <Kamion> misc: Low-memory installation support improved (successful 32MB installation on i386).
[09:17] <Kamion> sprint-plans: Get somebody else up to speed on roughly how Espresso works so that they can help me, and work on UI and performance. Live CD on USB sticks, maybe? Localised help in the new CD boot loader?
[09:18] <mdz> Kamion: please send something to ubuntu-devel when your WFM version is in dapper
[09:18] <mdz> Kamion: thanks
[09:18] <Kamion> will do
[09:18] <mdz> Keybuk?
[09:18] <Keybuk> streamlined-boot: going well, various tweaks remaining but nothing earth shattering
[09:18] <Keybuk> network-magic: networking hotplugs again, known bugs: no /etc/resolv.conf and no ifrename
[09:18] <Keybuk> sprint: madwifi-ng and network-manager testing, make alsa udev-froody, vmware testing and pretty much stealing hardware from people to test
[09:18] <Kamion> probably once I've got a live CD image with it on
[09:18] <mdz> Keybuk: we should perhaps have a chat about this mount --move /var business ;-)
[09:18] <Keybuk> mdz: oh?
[09:19] <mdz> Keybuk: you should have heard the noise elmo made
[09:19] <Keybuk> it only does it quickly ;)
[09:19] <mdz> LOOK OVER THERE shuffleshuffle NOTHING TO SEE HERE
[09:19] <Keybuk> pretty much, yes
[09:19] <mdz> ok
[09:19] <mdz> thanks
[09:19] <JaneW> mdz: I have mailed sivang, lathiat and krstic for updates, no reponse, yet.
[09:19] <mdz> Mithrandir?
[09:19] <Keybuk> but yes, that's still looking for a better solution, don't worry :)
[09:19] <Mithrandir> ooo-amd64: no progress
[09:19] <Mithrandir> live-cd-performance: waiting for scott to do readahead magic, no progress on lzma
[09:20] <Mithrandir> simplified-livecd: almost there, merged the espresso hooks from Colin, keymapper not there yet, waiting for some code from daniels
[09:20] <Mithrandir> probe-for-root-fs: no progress
[09:20] <Mithrandir> blocked on: live-cd-performance is semi-blocked on Scott, still no access to popcon.ubuntu.com
[09:20] <Mithrandir> next week: apache sprint, distro sprint
[09:20] <Keybuk> oh, sprint+=readahead with mithrandir :)
[09:20] <Mithrandir> sprint stuff: get up to speed on u-e, get my specs done.
[09:20] <JaneW> mdz: will mail mjg59 too if he is not here
[09:20] <mdz> I think mjg59 has been swallowed by his Ph.D
[09:20] <JaneW> what of his goal?
[09:20] <ogra> power manager
[09:20] <mdz> please try to find out if we need to hand some of his work off to others
[09:20] <JaneW> power-management-config
[09:21] <ogra> is fine and working, all bits from mjg are in place so far
[09:21] <JaneW> ogra: what more is required
[09:21] <ogra> we ysould promote it to main 
[09:21] <Mithrandir> good that mjg59 isn't missing any parts.
[09:21] <mdz> Mithrandir: ok, thanks
[09:21] <Kamion> I need to go NOW, sorry
[09:21] <mdz> JaneW: mvo?
[09:21] <mdz> Kamion: understood
[09:21] <JaneW> mvo: Dev-Meeting 2006-01-26
[09:21] <ogra> Mithrandir, heh
[09:21] <JaneW> Did:
[09:21] <JaneW> * dist-upgrade tool:
[09:21] <JaneW>  - got/answered lots of feedback
[09:21] <JaneW>  - fixed lots of bugs
[09:21] <JaneW>  - auto-retry on network failures
[09:21] <JaneW>  - fixed kubuntu-desktop upgrade
[09:21] <JaneW>  - improved logging a lot
[09:21] <JaneW>  - has forced obsoletes now (for e.g. xscreensaver)
[09:21] <JaneW>  - i18n works 
[09:21] <JaneW>  - big problem are dpkg failures (e.g. failed postinst) in the middle
[09:21] <Kamion> hardware I'm bringing to the sprint: amd64 desktop + keyboard + monitor, including vmware installation; my powerbok
[09:21] <JaneW> of a upgrade
[09:21] <JaneW>  - [trivia: we made it to a big german IT news site (golem.de) with it] 
[09:21] <Kamion> powerbook, whatever
[09:21] <JaneW> * gnome-app-install: 
[09:21] <JaneW>  - new-look
[09:21] <JaneW> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/gnome-app-install/new-look/gai--new-look.png
[09:21] <JaneW> implemented, can this go into dapper? or is it too
[09:21] <JaneW> late? The old treeview dosn't scale well with many packages [ThirdPartyPackages] 
[09:22] <JaneW> * gdebi:
[09:22] <JaneW>  - improved ui (HIG), drag'n'drop. do we want it in main as default
[09:22] <JaneW> handler for .debs? [ThirdPartySpec] 
[09:22] <JaneW> * notification-daemon transition again (minor api changes only, look
[09:22] <JaneW> of the notifications changed again) [DapperDesktopPlan] 
[09:22] <JaneW> * various small stuff (python-apt, update-notifier, synaptic,
[09:22] <JaneW> update-manager
[09:22] <JaneW> will do:
[09:22] <Mithrandir> yeah, I'm bringing a 160GB drive and a 74GB raptor.  Those can be used for test installs and crack, but they'd need SATA cables, both signals and power.
[09:22] <JaneW> - more upgrade tool work
[09:22] <JaneW> - send report to ubuntu-devel about current upgrade testing (failures
[09:22] <JaneW> in packages)
[09:22] <JaneW> - maybe upload gnome-app-install new-look into dapper (if it will be approved)
[09:23] <mdz> we definitely want gdebi in main
[09:23] <mdz> and if it feels good, in desktop
[09:23] <mdz> JaneW: no sprint ideas from mvo?
[09:23] <JaneW> mdz: no sorry
[09:24] <mdz> JaneW: please collate everyone's suggestions from here and the wiki page into a list we can use next week
[09:24] <mdz> ogra?
[09:24] <JaneW> mdz: will do
[09:24] <ogra> * thin-client-memory-usage: did some more playing with nbd
[09:24] <ogra> * thin-client-faster-startup: no work this week
[09:24] <ogra> * gnome-screensaver-default-image: package done will upload with dummy for now ... sabdfl images after the asia tour
[09:24] <ogra> * general: last merges, flight 3, eurolinux conference, fiddling with etherboot stuff
[09:24] <ogra> * next week:  sprint ... will do mostly ltsp spec finishing, uploading the final xscreensaver split
[09:24] <ogra> [09:24] <ogra> flight 4 testing session since we all can share one CD set and will have a bunch of differnt HW ;)
[09:24] <pitti> JaneW: can we collect it right on the wiki page?
[09:24] <ogra> [09:24] <ogra> compaq thin client+ keyboard/mouse
[09:24] <ogra> ibook
[09:24] <ogra> amd64 lappie
[09:24] <ogra> usb dvd writer
[09:24] <ogra> 160GB ide disk if needed
[09:25] <ogra> both laptops have spare patitions for test installs
[09:25] <mdz> ogra: what's left for faster-startup?
[09:25] <JaneW> pitti: certainly - in fact please do
[09:25] <ogra> that we talk about initscript removal ;) removing them doesnt work, i think we need to set them to K
[09:25] <fabbione> JaneW: I will bring my powerbook, usb hd for testing, local copies of all the .iso, dvd burner, some cd/dvd media.
[09:26] <pitti> JaneW: that's the page I announced for collecting ideas, so if you want to add anything, there's no need for another place imho
[09:26] <ogra> mdz, additionally the intiramfs patch infinity wants to talk about at the sprint
[09:26] <JaneW> pitti: indeed I'll use that, it was listed in my mail earlier too
[09:26] <mdz> ogra: doesn't work?
[09:26] <mdz> ogra: ok, let's talk about it after the meeting or tomorrow
[09:26] <ogra> mdz, not for rcS
[09:27] <Keybuk> JaneW: I'll bring my laptop, powerbook, guitar, and anything else I can reasonably lug on the train
[09:27] <mdz> ogra: did you ask anyone else?
[09:27] <ogra> i talked with pere
[09:27] <infinity> ogra: I'll be doing a fair chunk of initramfs hacking at the sprint, to get everyone's pet bugs sorted.
[09:27] <ogra> but i see that they are recreated in rcS
[09:27] <infinity> ogra: So, just tap me on the shoulder, and we'll sor tit.
[09:27] <infinity> sort it, too.
[09:27] <ogra> infinity, thats what i was referring to
[09:27] <mdz> ogra: recreated, really?
[09:27] <mdz> ogra: ok, talk to infinity about it rather than me
[09:27] <mdz> he's even in a convenient time zone
[09:27] <ogra> or reinstalled ... they are there again :)
[09:27] <pitti> I thought they were just recreated if all symlinks are removed
[09:28] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[09:28] <infinity> ogra: That's a feature.  Talk to me about that one, too.  (the init scripts)
[09:28] <mdz> pitti?
[09:28] <ogra> infinity, oki
[09:28] <pitti> langpacks-desktopfiles:
[09:28] <pitti>  * implemented langpack support for .directory files
[09:28] <pitti>  * added cdbs part for langpack support for .server files
[09:28] <pitti>  * zyga looked into the gnome side of that and should have something going by start of next week (otherwise I'll finish that; we will definitively have it for dapper)
[09:28] <pitti>  * wrote a script to track rebuild progress and catch packages which need manual fixes
[09:28] <pitti>  * talked to Riddell, KDE seems more difficult; mdz, can we split that into a separate spec and assign that to Riddel?
[09:28] <pitti> other stuff this week: cups bug fixing, cleaned up ALSA configuration file handling, improved default sound card selection, langpack update for breezy (95% finished, will upload tonight if testing goes well), some security updates
[09:28] <pitti> no progress on other specs
[09:28] <pitti> plan: finish breezy langpack update, complete implementation of gnome side of langpacks-desktopfiles, catch up on bug triage, work with infinity on PHP security update
[09:28] <pitti> sprint ideas so far: work on transitions with infinity (openssl, libdb, mozilla, mysql); work on various locales stuff with jbailey; help testing/implementing NetworkMagic and work on the linux-wlan-ng side for it (since it's a bit 'spethial')
[09:28] <pitti> sprint hardware: iBook, USB wireless (linux-wlan-ng), usb stick, usb headset
[09:28] <mdz> pitti: feel free to break out the KDE bits and hand off to Riddell
[09:28] <pitti> mdz: ok, I'll do that; easier to track that way
[09:29] <pitti> btw, langpack testing is thumbs up
[09:29] <mdz> cool
[09:29] <mdz> pitti: thanks
[09:29] <pitti> yay rosetta
[09:29] <mdz> seb128?
[09:29] <seb128> dapper-desktop-plan: hacked gdm to have the new menu and icons for entries as described by the spec, edited the ubuntu-artwork theme according to the spec
[09:29] <seb128> gstreamer0.10: updated rhythmbox (now daap works with gst0.10), new upstream version of totem. New gnome-media and sound-juicer switched to gst0.10. Only gnome-applets (has a patch upstream), evolution (just a plugin, we don't need to build it) and serpentine (SVN ported) require 0.8, we can probably kick gstreamer0.8 out of the desktop next week
[09:29] <seb128> other: bug triage, bug triage, some GNOME updates, comments on launchpad, played with the new gconf (split of the .xml by locale) on different boxes before uploading it
[09:29] <pitti> late, but good :)
[09:29] <seb128> .
[09:29] <seb128> next week (sprint): GNOME 2.13.90, discussion about debugging packages for dapper (would make bug work much easier for distro and upstream), getting opinions on the desktop changes for dapper (what we need to adjust, what others changes we want to do)
[09:30] <mdz> seb128: nice, thanks
[09:30] <mdz> Riddell?
[09:30] <Riddell> kubuntu-dapper-roadmap: KDE 3.5.1 packaging
[09:30] <Riddell> kubuntu-package-manager: discussions with mornfall and mdz, I believe he's still to forward final costings though
[09:30] <Riddell> also: revu, koffice beta packaging, fixing upgrade
[09:30] <Riddell> blocking: mdz to decide on kde 3.5.1 upload
[09:30] <Riddell> sprint todo: start porting espresso to qt?
[09:31] <mdz> Riddell: go for it with 3.5.1
[09:31] <Riddell> great, thanks
[09:31] <mdz> Riddell: yes, waiting for pricing from mornfall
[09:31] <Riddell> he finished his last exam the other day, I'll poke him more
[09:31] <mdz> Riddell: thanks
[09:31] <mdz> fastest round of status updates EVAR
[09:32] <mdz> so who's bringing what musical instruments to the sprint?
[09:32] <Riddell> my mini mac probably doesn't count
[09:32] <ogra> i have a blues harp i can bring but cant play it :)
[09:32] <Keybuk> I can bring guitar
[09:32] <pitti> will we have any guitar there?
[09:32] <jbailey> Flute, recorder, might get a drum but I'm not sure yet.
[09:33] <pitti> jbailey: no chance to forget the recorder?
[09:33] <mdz> doko: you wanted to discuss bringing hardware?
[09:33] <mdz> is there specific hardware we need?
[09:33] <fabbione> my hardware is big enough
[09:33] <Keybuk> do we know what the network situation there is yet?
[09:33] <fabbione> Keybuk: 2M/256k
[09:33] <Keybuk> or is it still "here's an ADSL line, enjoy"?
[09:34] <Keybuk> oh, good.  elmo: no e-mail for you
[09:34] <elmo> no sprint for me
[09:34] <Keybuk> are you not popping down? :(
[09:34] <ogra> cant you set up a wireless link from mossop street ? 
[09:34] <mdz> doko?
[09:34] <elmo> Keybuk: hey, it beats your current internet situation ;-)
[09:34] <elmo> ogra: across 10 miles?
[09:34] <elmo> you guys will have your own server
[09:34] <ogra> some hops needed indeed ;)
[09:34] <elmo> with local mirror, squid, chroots, whatever you want
[09:34] <JaneW> elmo: you are doing the server set-up on sunday though, right?
[09:34] <elmo> I'll QOS upload so you can kill the down
[09:35] <Mithrandir> apache2.2's proxy stuff is much faster than squid. Or so thom claims.
[09:35] <elmo> JaneW: nah, distro team sucks I can't be bothered
[09:35] <elmo> JaneW: (or, rather: yes)
[09:35] <JaneW> elmo: :P
[09:35] <ogra> heh
[09:35] <jbailey> Should we try and dig up a local PPC box for builds for any portability work?
[09:35] <mdz> server setup party sunday night?
[09:35] <JaneW> elmo: thanks *ruffle*
[09:35] <elmo> Mithrandir: well, whichever, I'm not going to be there, you guys can do what you with it
[09:35] <doko> mdz: For OOo build I think about bringing an amd64 mini pc, just want to avoid to bring the monitor and keyboard
[09:35] <JaneW> mdz: I'll bring the Amarula
[09:35] <doko> does somebody has a KVM switch?
[09:36] <mdz> doko: you could do builds on the server
[09:36] <Riddell> I'll bring kubuntu CDs
[09:36] <elmo> doko: the server will be a ronne class dl385
[09:36] <elmo> doko: would that not suffice?
[09:36] <mdz> JaneW: excellent!
[09:36] <Riddell> let me know if you want a box for your LUG etc
[09:36] <neuralis> mdz: we should discuss server testing after the meeting, there seems to be some confusion
[09:36] <ogra> can anybody bring a serial mouse i can land until the conference for ltsp testing ? 
[09:36] <elmo> anyway, I'm brining a monitor and keyboard
[09:36] <Mithrandir> elmo: shiny.
[09:36] <ogra> s/land/lend/
[09:36] <mdz> neuralis: now is OK, we have some extra time
[09:36] <doko> elmo: no, that's ok, as long as we can install test builds
[09:37] <fabbione> elmo: are you going to mirror cdimage as well? (just daily?)
[09:37] <JaneW> ogra: I think I have one lying around somewhere... may have the round connector - that ok?
[09:37] <elmo> fabbione: probably won't have space to do full cdimage, only 6x72 drive, but can mirror a subset if you tell me what you want
[09:37] <neuralis> mdz: when we last spoke, you explained you wanted community-s-t to be an outline of testing steps that humans can carry out, much like we have with LaptopTesting
[09:37] <doko> ogra; serial mouse, what is this? ;-P
[09:37] <ogra> JaneW, the round one is ps2
[09:38] <ogra> doko, thats what i'm always asking my edubuntu users ;)
[09:38] <fabbione> elmo: dunno.. i think daily/live for big 3 will do
[09:38] <mdz> neuralis: yes, and it looks like you've made a good start on that on ServerTesting
[09:38] <fabbione> elmo: no need more than that i think
[09:38] <mdz> neuralis: (that was you, right?)
[09:38] <elmo> fabbione: well, someone let me know by Saturday night ;-)
[09:38] <neuralis> mdz: yes, that was me; i wasn't under the impression you wanted anything else for that spec?
[09:38] <pitti> ogra: I might still have a serial mouse in my cellar somewhere if you need it
[09:38] <fabbione> elmo: ok
[09:39] <ogra> pitti, that would be great 
[09:39] <elmo> doko: as I said, I'm not there, someone else'll be in chargeof the box, so 'tever
[09:39] <mdz> neuralis: BenC will be coordinating the actual testing with the community
[09:39] <Keybuk> ogra: I have some serial mice somewhere
[09:39] <neuralis> mdz: BenC looked over ServerTesting and didn't have additions, so i was expecting you'll simply ok the spec so the remainder of the wiki pages can be created
[09:39] <ogra> ah, cool 
[09:39] <ogra> one is enough :)
[09:39] <mdz> neuralis: my reply about the spec was that it didn't seem to reflect what we agreed on (and indeed what you have already worked on)
[09:39] <pitti> ogra: don't count on mine :)
[09:39] <ogra> pitti, k
[09:40] <ogra> Keybuk, so if you could bring one ...
[09:40] <Keybuk> ogra: yup, I'm reasonably sure I know where I put them
[09:40] <ogra> great
[09:40] <Keybuk> should be in the loft, somewhere under the mess of wires I added last weekend :p
[09:40] <ogra> lots of ltsp users will owe you one :)
[09:41] <neuralis> mdz: i altered the spec to leave the 'certification/community testing catalog' spec bits in place, but explicity said we're first approaching the problem via wiki and ServerTesting. would you like me to move all the testing catalog parts to a separate spec?
[09:42] <mdz> neuralis: yes, I think that would be best.  we're saying that ServerTesting is a target for dapper, and so the spec should reflect the dapper goals
[09:42] <neuralis> mdz: okay. is there anything else that you want done?
[09:42] <Mithrandir> mdz: is the meeting adjourned?  I don't think the whole distro team needs to be around for the community server testing thingy?
[09:42] <mdz> neuralis: thanks for your efforts on those specs
[09:43] <JaneW> ogra: we do have a serial mouse
[09:43] <mdz> any other last-minute discussion topics, or shall we finish early for the first time(!)?
[09:43] <fabbione> the latter++
[09:43] <JaneW> ogra: ping me tomorrow in case I forget, but I will bring it, if I rem to dig it out the back room
[09:44] <ogra> JaneW, but Keybuk has the shorter transportation to do
[09:44] <JaneW> ogra: well if you let me know by 15:00UTC tomorrow if you need it, I can bring it
[09:44] <mdz> ok
[09:44] <mdz> adjourned then
[09:44] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[09:44] <fabbione> thanks
[09:44] <Mithrandir> food.
[09:44] <JaneW> \o/
[09:44] <ogra> thanks mdz 
[09:44] <mdz> Mithrandir: you have a hot date or something? ;-)
[09:45] <Mithrandir> mdz: yeah, infinity and thom and fabio and stuff. :-)
[09:45] <mdz> I've been attempting to eat pizza for the last 30 minutes
[09:45] <Keybuk> wow, that is hot
[09:45] <neuralis> mdz: 21:42 < neuralis> mdz: okay. is there anything else that you want done [for that spec] ?
[09:45] <mdz> neuralis: no, thank you
[09:45] <pitti> ok, great
[09:45] <pitti> thanks guys
[09:45] <JaneW> now I want pizza too!
[09:45] <pitti> I'm looking forward to meet all of you again next week
[09:46] <neuralis> mdz: i'll have the relevant bits moved to a separate spec tonight. i still need to chat with mdy regarding actual certification, but i think my mails keep getting caught in his spam filter or such.
[09:48] <ogra> heh
[09:48] <Kamion> mdz: looks like we may have to take the child to the hospital tonight; not sure what my availability tomorrow's going to look like yet
[09:48] <Kamion> dislike of lights, stiff neck, swollen throat; you do the maths
[09:48] <jbailey> Kamion: Suck.  Warm thoughts to you guys.
[09:49] <Kamion> thans
[09:49] <Kamion> +k, even
[09:50] <mdz> Kamion: that's no fun
[09:50] <mdz> Kamion: good luck to the three of you
[09:50] <Kamion> thanks
[11:01] <simira> a
[11:02] <simira> sorry