[12:02] <laptop> when i type iwconfig, kubuntu wont even see my card (ath0) why?
[12:02] <dbglt> hi again everyone :)
[12:07] <orion_fr_24> dark_suic: redirect port 22 from on machine to another one on a different network
[12:07] <dark_suic> mmm
[12:07] <dark_suic> hang on a sec... a friend in another channel just told us he had gotten the rule to make just that
[12:08] <dark_suic> wops, he's just quit and hasn't told anything, although i asked U__U
[12:08] <orion_fr_24> dark_suic: but on mac os x (router) only has ipfw to route so can t use any software
[12:08] <dark_suic> sorry
[12:08] <dark_suic> but
[12:08] <dark_suic> ok
[12:08] <dark_suic> then it will be quite hard...
[12:08] <dark_suic> is there any macosx channel over here?
[12:08] <dark_suic> you may ask there
[12:08] <orion_fr_24> dark_suic: computing is not only meant to b EZ ;)
[12:08] <dark_suic> :P
[12:08] <dark_suic> yeah, i know :P
[12:09] <orion_fr_24> dark_suic: mac user are geek on command line
[12:09] <orion_fr_24> dark_suic: so dont know anything about that i already tried
[12:09] <dark_suic> ok...
[12:09] <orion_fr_24> dark_suic: and ipfw is a unix stuff so i give it a try here
[12:09] <cold> anyone know the location of ethernet devices located on ubuntu ?
[12:09] <orion_fr_24> dark_suic:  lol
[12:09] <dark_suic> you may try at #debian
[12:10] <orion_fr_24> dark_suic: thx i ll try
[12:10] <dark_suic> there are quite a few command-line geeks there too :P
[12:10] <dark_suic> cold, what do you mean?
[12:11] <meple> anyone know why I have to run X with VESA driver?
[12:11] <meple> my card is a geforce6800
[12:12] <meple> cant use the NV driver
[12:12] <dark_suic> meple, try sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:12] <dark_suic> that works for installing nvidia drivers
[12:13] <dark_suic> (after that restart x server with ctrl
[12:13] <dark_suic> ctrl + alt + backspace after closing session)
[12:13] <meple> oh ok thank you
[12:14] <brandon> My first time on irc w/ Linux :D
[12:14] <kurruption> is it possible to somehow convert from ubuntu to kubuntu? other than deleting the current partition then installing kubuntu
[12:14] <brandon> I'm very new to linux and tried a few diff. distros. Kubuntu is awesome. It works great on my Averatec 3250 laptop.
[12:15] <dark_suic> kurruption, yes
[12:15] <dark_suic> kurruption, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:16] <brandon> how would i install a program not in apt? I belive that dpkg is involved but that's about it.
[12:16] <brandon> i tried make install but that didn't work.
[12:17] <conn> brandon: dpkg -i package-name
[12:17] <dark_suic> brandon, if the program is .deb, then dpkg -i (nameoftheprogram).deb
[12:17] <dark_suic> if it's not .deb, then it may be quite difficult
[12:17] <brandon> it's not a deb
[12:17] <brandon> the file is aircrack. it's a .tar.gz
[12:17] <dark_suic> brandon, what program u want to install?
[12:17] <dark_suic> aircrack...
[12:17] <dark_suic> hang on a sec
[12:17] <brandon> thx
[12:18] <dark_suic> well, i can assure you you can install it via apt-get
[12:18] <dark_suic> if you want
[12:18] <brandon> apt-get, ok, i'll have to read up on that.
[12:20] <dark_suic> brandon, try adept
[12:20] <dark_suic> in adept, file->manage repositories
[12:20] <dark_suic> search for lines starting with #deb
[12:20] <Stele> Skrot - i'm getting "404 not found" errors when I try to apt-get those headers
[12:20] <Skrot> Stele: apt-get update
[12:20] <dark_suic> right click -> enable
[12:20] <brandon> yeah, i've looked at adept, it's great
[12:21] <dark_suic> then back to the main window, fetch updates, and there should be aircrack
[12:21] <Stele> ah now it is doing something
[12:21] <Stele> yay - thanks!
[12:21] <Skrot> No problem :)
[12:22] <brandon> right on! it's there. thank you so much
[12:25] <laptop> i have a wireless problem, when i try to install the drivers i get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7662
[12:25] <brandon> after it installs the pagage it places them in /usr/sbin. is it save to moves these files?
[12:28] <brandon> Kubuntu is great, this channel is very helpful. Thank you dark_suic.
[12:30] <Stele> im having weird display problems with my NV drivers
[12:31] <Stele> Im getting a black screen at top and white screen at bottom
[12:31] <Stele> and no X
[12:31] <LaserJock> ok, maybe this is a stupid question but in Synaptic I see kvirc and kvirc2. What's the difference?
[12:31] <cold> dark_suic i can't locate /dev/eth0 on ubuntu so I guess its in a different place, where is it ?
[12:33] <dark_suic> i'm trying
[12:34] <cold> anyone know the location of a ethernet device on ubuntu ??
[12:34] <dark_suic> mmm
[12:34] <dark_suic> he probado el find
[12:34] <dark_suic> wops
[12:34] <dark_suic> sorry
[12:34] <dark_suic> i've tried to find it
[12:34] <dark_suic> and located in
[12:34] <dark_suic>  /sys/class/net
[12:34] <dark_suic> don't know if it's what you're looking for
[12:34] <cold> ahh thanks
[12:35] <cold> it helped
[12:35] <cold> i found it
[12:35] <dark_suic> it's also in some /proc but won't think they'd matter
[12:35] <dark_suic> ok :)
[12:35] <laptop> how would i get a kernel header?
[12:37] <dark_suic> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-(your kernel version)
[12:37] <laptop> k thx
[12:41] <Stele> any NVIDIA driver experts around here?
[12:42] <_martin> haha kopete crashes everytime I send a msg over ICQ
[12:43] <Stele> how can I update all my packages (including my kernel) from a shell? some apt-get command?
[12:43] <meple> is this a common problem?
[12:43] <laptop>  i have a wireless problem, when i try to install the drivers i get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7662
[12:43] <meple> Kopete crashing as soon as you send a message to someone
[12:45] <dark_suic> Stele, try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:45] <Stele> i did "apt-get upgrade" and it seems to be doing it
[12:45] <Stele> whats the diff between that and "dist-upgrade"?
[12:45] <dark_suic> meple, it doesn't happen here...
[12:45] <Stele> something is horribly wrong with my nvidia driver and Im hoping an update will fix it
[12:46] <dark_suic> well, the diference is that dist-upgrade resolves dependencies and upgrade (it's supposed) that just updates your packages
[12:46] <Stele> a
[12:46] <Stele> ah
[12:46] <dark_suic> what happens to your nvidia drivers?
[12:46] <Stele> i will try that
[12:46] <Stele> well i got the latest NV driver to install, but when I start kdm, i get a blank screen, with a cursor bar in the top-left corner, and a white filled area at bottom
[12:46] <Stele> and the entire dispay hangs
[12:47] <dark_suic> O__o
[12:47] <dark_suic> you got the nv driver from the nvidia webpage?
[12:47] <Stele> yeah
[12:47] <Stele> the latest 81 something
[12:47] <Stele> i needed to update my kernel-includes from -9 to -10 for some reason
[12:48] <dark_suic> well, i told meple some minutes ago how to install the official driver from ubuntu directly :P
[12:48] <Stele> oh - that would be "nice" :)
[12:48] <Stele> i missed that
[12:48] <dark_suic> try
[12:48] <dark_suic> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:48] <Stele> yeah saw that
[12:48] <dark_suic> that should work, but if you installed the other drivers it may not work...
[12:48] <Stele> will try that after i update
[12:49] <Stele> does that have an updated xorg.conf too?
[12:49] <dark_suic> ok
[12:49] <dark_suic> nvidia-glx-config enable updates your xorg.conf :)
[12:49] <Stele> i think what happened is it is updating the kubuntu driver package over the old nvidia driver which I manually installed
[12:49] <Stele> that must have happened in the past few weeks, automatically
[12:50] <meple> sudo apt-get update. does this update all the programs on your system?
[12:50] <dark_suic> don't know, but the kubuntu package isn't so new...
[12:50] <dark_suic> no meple
[12:50] <Red_Herring> hi
[12:50] <dark_suic> apt-get update updates the list of the packages you have avaible
[12:50] <Stele> i believe it updates the list of available packages
[12:50] <dark_suic> apt-get upgrade is what updates your packages in the system
[12:50] <Stele> er, yeah
[12:50] <meple> dark_suic: oh I see, thanks
[01:00] <meple> hm the servers apt connects to are pretty fast =)
[01:00] <meple> get about 5mb/sec. not bad
[01:01] <Xemanth^^> lol
[01:01] <Xemanth^^> thats not bad :)
[01:01] <Stele> any photographers here?
[01:03] <Xemanth^^> any niinist fans here ?
[01:03] <Red_Herring> not me
[01:03] <vge> ill gonna vote him
[01:04] <vge> not a fan, but protestvote
[01:04] <Red_Herring> what?
[01:04] <vge> finnish president elections
[01:05] <Xemanth^^> vge: yeah :) good :> i already voted him
[01:05] <Red_Herring> oh
[01:05] <Red_Herring> you guys live in finland?
[01:05] <Xemanth^^> I do
[01:05] <Red_Herring> whoah, where does everyone here live?
[01:05] <Xemanth^^> Sauli Niinist is workers president
[01:05] <vge> i guess all over the world really ;)
[01:05] <Red_Herring> suburb of chicago
[01:05] <Xemanth^^> *
[01:06] <vge> Xemanth^^:  dont over do it
[01:06] <Xemanth^^> haha :)
[01:06] <Red_Herring> im pissed that we elected an idiot here
[01:06] <Red_Herring> sorry that we are gonna ruin the world
[01:06] <vge> again ;)
[01:06] <Red_Herring> but i cant be held accountable, i voted for kerry
[01:07] <Red_Herring> how much do you guys follow politics over there?
[01:07] <Xemanth^^> vge:  at least he isnt communist lesbian :D
[01:07] <Red_Herring> and how much do you guys take notice of the politics in america?
[01:07] <rbarros> how can i disable konqueror from trying to invoke the kwallet manager app?
[01:08] <vge> Red_Herring: well finland is kinda small country, so we follow the globe pretty mutch
[01:08] <Red_Herring> hmm, interesting
[01:08] <Xemanth^^> rbarros: by disabling kwallet
[01:08] <Red_Herring> the world according to america goes 50 miles around the shore
[01:08] <dark_suic> same that finland happens here, in spain...
[01:09] <Red_Herring> i dont, but generally we hate canadians, immigrants, jews, aribs, anything else thats not red white and blue
[01:09] <Xemanth^^> vge: mini usa... haha ;)
[01:09] <Red_Herring> it sickens me
[01:09] <Red_Herring> fucking sickens me
[01:09] <dark_suic> we're pretty small (although enough space for millions of idiots too) so we listen a lot to our american "friends"
[01:09] <Red_Herring> freinds?
[01:09] <Red_Herring> im sorry
[01:09] <dark_suic> yeah, u heard our governments and yours
[01:10] <Xemanth^^> well we here hate black people and especially arabs
[01:10] <dark_suic> we are "friends"
[01:10] <dark_suic> lol
[01:10] <Xemanth^^> at least me
[01:10] <Red_Herring> dark_suic: well,
[01:10] <Xemanth^^> i don't want them here
[01:10] <Red_Herring> no one in america cares about finland
[01:10] <Red_Herring> i say no one
[01:10] <Red_Herring> as in generrally
[01:10] <dark_suic> i supose, but i'm from spain XD
[01:10] <Red_Herring> i didnt know there was an election
[01:10] <dark_suic> i was talking about spain :P
[01:10] <Red_Herring> bbc is the closest to "global" we get here
[01:10] <dark_suic> xD
[01:10] <dark_suic> i understand :P
[01:10] <Stele> Red_Herring you are being very generalizing
[01:11] <Red_Herring> dark_suic: it applies to every country
[01:11] <Stele> I'm American I love the rest of the world
[01:11] <Red_Herring> Stele: true
[01:11] <Riddell> Xemanth^^: enough of that please
[01:11] <Xemanth^^> one work 'friend' here who is from iraq, he is arab... he said that he wants to sleep with my gf and he wants to pay for me about it.... thats sick
[01:11] <Stele> I've been to 20 countries or so
[01:11] <Red_Herring> but you are overestimating the intelligence of america
[01:11] <Stele> I'd LOVE to visit Finland some day :)
[01:11] <Red_Herring> just think:
[01:11] <Red_Herring> the average intelligence
[01:11] <Stele> no - most Americans are pretty dumb - I'll give you that
[01:11] <Xemanth^^> and that was work friend
[01:11] <Red_Herring> and then it hits you that HALF OF THE WORLD is stupider than they are
[01:12] <Riddell> Xemanth^^: you're off topic and likely to be kicked
[01:12] <Stele> sorry Riddell
[01:12] <Xemanth^^> well people talk here alot off topic and gets no kick
[01:13] <dark_suic> but i think it was a bit TOO offtopic
[01:13] <Xemanth^^> sry
[01:13] <Stele> heh
[01:13] <Red_Herring> im sorry, but the christians here that CONSTANTLY complain about how they are ignored and the minorety, when they HAPPEN to have all 42 prez and almost every other politician, wow, i hope this wont get me kicked
[01:13] <Stele> er...
[01:14] <Red_Herring> was typing that up when you were talking there
[01:14] <Stele> im guessing that this channel is fairly mixed for countries
[01:14] <dark_suic> yeah
[01:14] <Jason> Hey guys - I've recently installed kubuntu from ubuntu and want to switch my default from gdm to kdm.  Where would I go about doing that?
[01:14] <dark_suic> there are country-kubuntu-channels
[01:14] <Stele> maybe 40% US and 60% other countries?
[01:14] <Red_Herring> Jason: easy
[01:14] <Stele> wow
[01:14] <dark_suic> jason
[01:14] <Red_Herring> dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:14] <Jason> awesome
[01:14] <Jason> thanks
[01:14] <dark_suic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm would do it
[01:14] <Red_Herring> sudo 'd that is
[01:15] <Jason> (I figured) :-P
[01:15] <Red_Herring> tell me if that works, i havent tried it
[01:15] <dark_suic> welll.....
[01:15] <Jason> yup.
[01:15] <dark_suic> it could work too
[01:15] <Jason> Did.
[01:15] <dark_suic> sudo apt-get remove gdm
[01:15] <dark_suic> lol
[01:15] <Red_Herring> not smart
[01:15] <Jason> bbl, rebooting.
[01:16] <meple> what is synaptic?
[01:16] <Stele> sudo apt-get remove all?
[01:16] <Stele> does that work?
[01:16] <Stele> :
[01:16] <Stele> :)
[01:16] <raphink> good question
[01:16] <raphink> ;)
[01:16] <Red_Herring> or we could get someone here running windows
[01:16] <Stele> im running windows right now
[01:16] <Stele> what you need?
[01:16] <dark_suic> Stele, try with -s
[01:16] <Stele> :)
[01:16] <Red_Herring> and tell them "deltree -a c:*"
[01:16] <Stele> heh
[01:17] <Stele> no thanks
[01:17] <Red_Herring> its TOO easy that way
[01:17] <dark_suic> meple, synaptic is for gnome what adept is for kubuntu (more or less)
[01:17] <meple> oh
[01:17] <Red_Herring> except synaptic is, in my opinion, much nicer and easyer to use than adept
[01:17] <dark_suic> well, i've heard of people falling in the "joke" of rm -rf /
[01:17] <meple> like a graphical frontend ?
[01:17] <Red_Herring> yup
[01:17] <meple> or smth like that
[01:18] <meple> ah
[01:18] <dark_suic> i think the same, Red_Herring
[01:18] <dark_suic> but adept is too new, let it take on a few versions... and it will be even better than synaptic :D
[01:18] <Red_Herring> i always install ubuntu w/ kubuntu-desktop
[01:18] <Red_Herring> its no different
[01:18] <Red_Herring> but i get synaptic
[01:18] <dark_suic> lol
[01:18] <Red_Herring> plus, gnome is a nice backup
[01:18] <dark_suic> i prefer installing kubuntu and then synaptic :P
[01:19] <Red_Herring> it looks like krap
[01:19] <Red_Herring> but w/ a NEW 20gb hard drive
[01:19] <dark_suic> completely agree with that :P
[01:19] <Red_Herring> i can afford to do that :-)
[01:19] <dark_suic> :P
[01:19] <dark_suic> loool
[01:19] <Red_Herring> sorry, for a while there i was stuck with a 4gb one
[01:19] <Red_Herring> with 1gb of it swap
[01:19] <dark_suic> i'd better won't say that i have almost 500 gb .... :P
[01:19] <Red_Herring> i have 280GB on my desktop
[01:20] <Red_Herring> but on a laptop...
[01:20] <Red_Herring> its much harder to get hard drives
[01:20] <Red_Herring> i just wish they had more IDE slots
[01:21] <dark_suic> :P
[01:21] <Red_Herring> yup
[01:21] <dark_suic> well, i still have problems with kubuntu in my laptop
[01:21] <dark_suic> its impossible to get network running on it
[01:21] <Red_Herring> really?
[01:21] <dark_suic> it doesn't even get dhcp connected directly to the modem...
[01:21] <meple> whats a good ICQ client for linux ? (kopete just crashes)
[01:21] <Knowerrors> I need help getting my dvd drive dma settings to stick, I followed the advice here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA?highlight=%28dma%29, still turns off after reboot, help please
[01:22] <Red_Herring> i "got" a nice wireless card
[01:22] <Red_Herring> and it works FINE
[01:22] <dark_suic> meple, if kopete doesn't work just try gaim...
[01:22] <meple> gaim gotcha. thx
[01:22] <dark_suic> Red_Herring, the wireless could work, i don't know, but i have no wireless connection... no one has it even near my home U__U
[01:22] <Red_Herring> oh
[01:22] <Red_Herring> that sucks
[01:22] <dark_suic> now i have debian installed because there the network works
[01:22] <Red_Herring> my neighborhood has all the flashy wireless things
[01:23] <dark_suic> but when i got the wifi working, the ethernet card got "broken"
[01:23] <dark_suic> and now i don't have network again :P
[01:23] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[01:23] <dark_suic> i would like to have wireless things around me...
[01:23] <Red_Herring> for some reason my ethernet card only works with my old router
[01:23] <Red_Herring> it was wierd
[01:23] <Red_Herring> so now i use it as a gateway to the router
[01:23] <Red_Herring> and everything works fine
[01:23] <dark_suic> well, i don't have a router, or better said, MY computer is the router :P
[01:24] <dark_suic> ethernet worked until i configured the wifi connection
[01:24] <dark_suic> then it stopped working
[01:24] <Red_Herring> are there any other computers on the network?
[01:24] <dark_suic> it's like internet was trying to go just through the wireless
[01:24] <dark_suic> yep
[01:24] <dark_suic> and can't ping them
[01:24] <Red_Herring> wow, that sounds complex
[01:24] <dark_suic> yeah
[01:24] <dark_suic> i still don't understand what could have happened
[01:25] <Red_Herring> wow, yad think my parents would notice that im using the interenet, after they explicitly told me not to
[01:25] <Red_Herring> concidering ive been sitting on my couch with my laptop
[01:25] <Red_Herring> with noises and all
[01:25] <dark_suic> :P
[01:25] <Red_Herring> for like 2 hours
[01:27] <dark_suic> :P
[01:27] <dark_suic> now i'm waiting for final dapper to appear, to see if it has better support for the laptop
[01:27] <dark_suic> i prefer kubuntu for non-server machines but debian for server, although now i'm completely the opposite (kubuntu as server and debian as client)
[01:28] <Red_Herring> same here, i have a debian server
[01:28] <Red_Herring> i like it
[01:28] <Red_Herring> but i really like kubuntu's support for my laptop
[01:28] <Red_Herring> its easily better than any other distro out there
[01:28] <Red_Herring> hibrinate, standby, etc.
[01:28] <Red_Herring> they all work
[01:28] <Red_Herring> speedstepping
[01:28] <Red_Herring> etc.
[01:28] <dark_suic> hibernate on kde?
[01:29] <dark_suic> it works?
[01:29] <Red_Herring> well.... for my ACPI
[01:29] <dark_suic> some friends of mine asked me how to do it :P
[01:29] <Red_Herring> i just use klaptop
[01:29] <dark_suic> ok, i will tell them :P
[01:29] <Red_Herring> and i enabled the linux support for hibrenating
[01:29] <Red_Herring> and it works
[01:29] <Red_Herring> well...
[01:29] <Red_Herring> i gotta eat
[01:30] <E-Train> anyone one have any advice for un packing rar files
[01:30] <dark_suic> ok :)
[01:30] <dark_suic> E-Train, install unrar-nonfree
[01:31] <E-Train> do you have to pay for it?
[01:31] <dark_suic> no
[01:31] <dark_suic> it should be on universe i think
[01:31] <Red_Herring> !rar
[01:31] <ubotu> rumour has it, rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[01:31] <E-Train> what does non free mean
[01:31] <E-Train> ?
[01:31] <E-Train> yea i see it here in adept
[01:31] <Red_Herring> its not open source
[01:31] <Red_Herring> thats all
[01:31] <Red_Herring> its still free as in free beer
[01:31] <Red_Herring> just not as in freedom
[01:32] <dark_suic> it means that it doesn't have a free license although it may be free (no need to pay)
[01:32] <dark_suic> :P
[01:32] <E-Train> right on
[01:33] <E-Train> Dark - Score, It workd
[01:33] <E-Train> i am no un-rar'ing
[01:33] <E-Train> ~now
[01:34] <Knowerrors> I don't think my hdparm is running at boot, can someone help with this?  need it to turn on dma for dvd drive
[01:36] <dark_suic> knowerrors, edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[01:37] <dark_suic> and there uncomment the lines for the devices you want to activate dma :)
[01:38] <Knowerrors> already did that :(
[01:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys, i lose the ark entries in the contextual menu (right clisk)
[01:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> click*, do you know how i can repristinate it?
[01:41] <dark_suic> i've lost them too :S, i've just realized...
[01:42] <Knowerrors> Tallia1Kubuntu: that can happen if you opened Konq in webbrowser mode, and then went to a local location
[01:43] <Knowerrors> to file browse
[01:43] <Knowerrors> try closing it and reopen as filebrows mode
[01:44] <dark_suic> Knowerrors, that doesn't work
[01:44] <Knowerrors> hmm, wonder how you guys lost it, mine is fine
[01:44] <dark_suic> well, i've seen that it works on some folders but doesn't work on others (just tried)
[01:45] <dark_suic> ...
[01:45] <dark_suic> i know what happened to me
[01:45] <dark_suic> :P
[01:45] <dark_suic> i did some changes to konqueror's properties
[01:45] <dark_suic> kde in general
[01:45] <dark_suic> but hadn't still restarted konqueror
[01:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it happened on the desktop
[01:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am not in a file browser
[01:46] <dark_suic> ...
[01:46] <dark_suic> Tallia1Kubuntu, the desktop is some kind of file browser ;)
[01:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ? so what should i do?
[01:47] <dark_suic> open ark
[01:47] <dark_suic> go to options
[01:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i didn't, the last thing that i did was a deb reconfigure on all the packages
[01:47] <dark_suic> and check if "activate konqueror integration (or something like that)" is activated
[01:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[01:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> there's a problem ther
[01:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it tells me taht the plugin is off
[01:48] <dark_suic> well, then activate it....
[01:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[01:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Service Manager - Kcontrol?
[01:49] <dark_suic> O__o
[01:49] <dark_suic> what exact plug-in is off?
[01:49] <dark_suic> when does the error appear?
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nono, it tells me it is not installed
[01:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i misread
[01:50] <dark_suic> what is not installed?
[01:50] <dark_suic> ark?
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok done..
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no konq-plugins
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> tnx a lots
[01:51] <laptop> how do i get into the system setting as root?
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[01:51] <dark_suic> :)
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> laptop: using kde?
[01:51] <laptop> yes
[01:51] <dark_suic> laptop, kdesu systemsettings
[01:51] <laptop> thank you
[01:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[01:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> did anyone ever experienced problems with the print of multiple pages per sheet?
[01:52] <dark_suic> don't have a printer at all :P
[01:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if i want to print something sometimes the layout is:
[01:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 4 1
[01:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 5 2
[01:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 6 3
[01:52] <E-Train> dark - i have another question. i got an external hard drive and a usb 2.0 card. can you give me any advice or point me to some walkthoughs?
[01:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> that is kind of weird..
[01:59] <dark_suic> e-train
[01:59] <dark_suic> you have the same things that i have
[01:59] <dark_suic> you should do this in a terminal:
[02:01] <Lord_Athur> hi
[02:01] <dark_suic> ...
[02:01] <dark_suic> hang on a sec :P
[02:02] <dark_suic> i don't remember the exact command :p
[02:02] <dark_suic> sudo addgroup hal disk
[02:02] <dark_suic> that is
[02:02] <dark_suic> then sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart && kded
[02:03] <dark_suic> then when you plug-in the usb devices they should show you a screen asking you what to do with them
[02:03] <dark_suic> (this has to be done due to a bug)
[02:04] <dark_suic> if that doesn't work just tell me
[02:04] <Lord_Athur> I've installed kubuntu hoary on my heard disk, but my other OP (win Xp pro) cannot start up, i'm using grub
[02:04] <E-Train> dark - do i have to format my drive?
[02:06] <flipjarg> Hello all, i'm in a bit of trouble is there anyone who could help me?
[02:06] <dark_suic> E-Train, if it isn't formated you'll have to do
[02:06] <dark_suic> but if it is you shouldn't
[02:06] <E-Train> k so it doesnt matter if it is a ntfs or fat32
[02:07] <flipjarg> Does anyone know if there is a way to get root's user id back to '0' after i've changed it?
[02:08] <flipjarg> i've tried to go into /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow manually but i cannot write to them now.
[02:08] <Red_Herring> sorry, thats a very odd one
[02:09] <flipjarg> yeah i know. i'm on my last string.
[02:09] <dark_suic> E-Train,
[02:09] <dark_suic> if it's ntfs you won't be able to write in it
[02:09] <dark_suic> if it's fat32, no problem, but ntfs is not completely supported.. just read-only
[02:09] <flipjarg> i guess i'll just go reinstall. i'll have to re-download all of my Phish flac's though. :-(
[02:10] <dark_suic> flipjarg, you can just save your data
[02:10] <dark_suic> and reinstall the base system without formatting the drive...
[02:10] <flipjarg> Really!
[02:10] <flipjarg> Thank god!
[02:10] <flipjarg> So just reinstall but don't format on the install?
[02:11] <dark_suic> that's it...
[02:11] <dark_suic> although for another time...
[02:11] <Red_Herring> flipjarg: i dont think that works
[02:11] <manveru> Red_Herring: why not?
[02:11] <dark_suic> well, Red_Herring if you install it should just rewrite the files you're installing,  wouldn't it?
[02:11] <Red_Herring> well, when i tried it
[02:11] <dark_suic> im not sure about what i'm saying, but it should work... O__o
[02:11] <Red_Herring> it told me that data was still on teh partition, and it stopped
[02:11] <flipjarg> It might put them in a different spot on the HD right?
[02:12] <dark_suic> :P
[02:12] <dark_suic> that's it
[02:12] <dark_suic> it's better to make another partition for data... always :p
[02:12] <flipjarg> Yeah, i should.
[02:12] <dark_suic> in the case this things happen, you just have to reinstall the base partition with the base system
[02:12] <flipjarg> that's what i get for keeping stuff on my desktop i guess.
[02:13] <dark_suic> probably :P
[02:13] <flipjarg> Glad i came here first, i'll try installing without formating. i'll see what happens.
[02:13] <flipjarg> Thanks guys. :-)
[02:13] <dark_suic> nevermind
[02:13] <dark_suic> well, Red_Herring i understand what you told, but then...
[02:13] <dark_suic> why is the non-format option still in the installer?
[02:14] <Red_Herring> because it can also be used to re-install grub
[02:14] <Red_Herring> which is what i used it for
[02:15] <dark_suic> ok :P
[02:50] <fit4lfe> having lots of problems with k3b
[02:50] <fit4lfe> first I tried k3bsetup2
[02:51] <fit4lfe> everytime I open it up its blank so I can't set the permissions I have to go into a shell and do it that way
[02:51] <fit4lfe> it freezes all the time
[02:51] <fit4lfe> how can I fix these problems ?
[02:59] <Bicchi> i am running amd64 and i need to run an application that is only available for 32 bits, I heard that if i can use chroot to do so. is this true and what do i need to do?
[02:59] <fit4lfe> !chroot
[02:59] <ubotu> I heard chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[02:59] <fit4lfe> right there bro
[03:00] <Bicchi> thanks
[03:31] <Bicchi> one question about chroot and what to do after installing it. Do i need also to install the 32 libraries of kde/gnome if my program uses X.
[03:36] <admrl>  has anyone installed the new kbfx w/ sphinx
[03:41] <Lord_Athur> hi all, i've installed kubuntu hoary on my disk, but my other partion (win xp pro) is not booted by grub, the error message says that the file "NTLDR" was not found, windows is not the problem (I tested its integrity), what should I do?
[03:41] <vge> admrl: i  have kbfx installed, donno about hte sphinx thou
[03:42] <Red_Herring> Lord_Athur: uuuuuu, is NTLDR there?
[03:42] <Lord_Athur> yes, it is
[03:43] <Lord_Athur> Red_Herring, what can the problem be?
[03:43] <Red_Herring> could be 2 things
[03:43] <Red_Herring> grub
[03:43] <Red_Herring> or windows
[03:44] <Lord_Athur> I verify windows with its install cd
[03:44] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[03:44] <Lord_Athur> and it's without problem
[03:44] <dark_suic> well windows is always a problem :P
[03:44] <Red_Herring> you do any hardware changes w/o updating grub?
[03:44] <Lord_Athur> i've reinstalled grub several times and nothing changes
[03:45] <Lord_Athur> Red_Herring, not
[03:45] <Red_Herring> Lord_Athur: where is windows installed?
[03:45] <Red_Herring> hda or hdb?
[03:45] <Lord_Athur> it the first partition(hda1)
[03:45] <Red_Herring> hmmmmm
[03:45] <Red_Herring> interesting
[03:46] <Lord_Athur> :P
[03:46] <Red_Herring> i wanna say that windows MUST be messed up
[03:46] <Lord_Athur> it's a terrible problem when the family does not understand linux
[03:46] <Lord_Athur> xD
[03:46] <Red_Herring> but since you said it was checked
[03:47] <Red_Herring> Lord_Athur: im with you there
[03:47] <Lord_Athur> i copied the file
[03:47] <Red_Herring> and nothing changed?
[03:47] <Lord_Athur> Red_Herring, i saw the file on the disk partiotion
[03:47] <Red_Herring> hmmmm
[03:48] <Lord_Athur> but grub does not see it
[03:48] <Red_Herring> then it could be grub
[03:48] <Red_Herring> but grub doesnt control that
[03:48] <Lord_Athur> do i past the part of the menu.lst file?
[03:48] <dark_suic> when you install linux with windows installed it tells you about
[03:48] <Lord_Athur> yes
[03:48] <Red_Herring> all it does is start a small boot file
[03:49] <Lord_Athur> do i past the part of the file here?
[03:50] <Lord_Athur> maybe the problem is there
[03:50] <Red_Herring> try pasebtin
[03:50] <Red_Herring> *pastebin
[03:50] <Red_Herring> !pastebin
[03:50] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:51] <Bicchi> i need some help with chroot. i allready read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot but i still got questions. anyone has experience with chroot and amd64
[03:51] <Red_Herring> yeah
[03:51] <Red_Herring> its hell
[03:51] <Red_Herring> i just switched to x86
[03:51] <Bicchi> so should i bother installing it or it does not work.
[03:52] <Red_Herring> depends how much ya need it
[03:52] <Lord_Athur> Red_Herring, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7671
[03:52] <Bicchi> what do you mean
[03:53] <Red_Herring> thats an odd one
[03:53] <Red_Herring> sorry, i gotta run
[03:54] <dark_suic> i did the same as Red_Herring, Bicchi
[03:55] <dark_suic> Bicchi, if you're using lots of 32bits programms every day, then switch
[03:55] <Bicchi> and if i only have one
[03:55] <dark_suic> if you'd just use a 32 bit program once each week, it would be better to chroot
[03:56] <Bicchi> ok here is my question
[03:56] <dark_suic> but think
[03:56] <dark_suic> that you may need some more programs for 32bits later (wine for example)
[03:56] <Bicchi> after i follow all those steps in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot do i need to install kde for 32 bits for my app to work.
[03:57] <Bicchi> i have a 32 bit linux application that does not exist for amd64
[03:58] <dark_suic> the same happened to me (cedega and wine)
[03:58] <dark_suic> and as flash player isn't still developed for 64 bits
[03:58] <dark_suic> and that sort of things
[03:58] <dark_suic> i finally left 64 bits and am using now 32 bits...
[03:58] <Bicchi> well, i do not care for windows applications so wine is not important, but like i said its a 32bit linux application that i need to run
[03:59] <dark_suic> i don't know if you need to install kde after it...
[03:59] <dark_suic> just try
[03:59] <dark_suic> what kind of app is it?
[03:59] <Bicchi> i do not want to mess up my installation with a lot junk
[03:59] <Bicchi> www.yamipod.com
[03:59] <Bicchi> to controll the ipod under linux
[04:00] <dark_suic> ok
[04:00] <dark_suic> i don't know how
[04:00] <dark_suic> but a friend of mine managed to get it working....
[04:00] <Bicchi> what chroot
[04:00] <dark_suic> i supose that he will have used something like this
[04:00] <dark_suic> but...
[04:00] <dark_suic> no, don't think so
[04:00] <dark_suic> i will ask him asap, but not before tomorrow
[04:00] <Bicchi> you mean yamipod on amd64
[04:00] <mase_> GUYS I NEED URGENT HELP!!
[04:01] <mase_> my GRUB was removed from MBR!
[04:01] <mase_> now only windows boots
[04:01] <dbglt> hi
[04:01] <dbglt> mase_: do you still have your linux partition?
[04:01] <mase_> yes
[04:01] <dark_suic> no Bicchi i mean that he managed to get the ipod working in linux WITHOUT yamipod :P
[04:01] <dbglt> mase_: have you access to any form of live cd ?
[04:01] <dbglt> mase_: or download one
[04:01] <mase_> well i have the install cd
[04:01] <mase_> kubuntu install cd
[04:01] <dbglt> does that give you a usable prompt?
[04:01] <Bicchi> dark_suic: yeah its possible but the current software really sucks
[04:01] <mase_> i think so
[04:02] <dark_suic> i don't know at all, (although i may get pissed off because of this, i kind of hate ipods :P)
[04:02] <dbglt> ok, if you can get to a prompt, mount your kubuntu install to a directory, chroot to that directory, then do grub-install /dev/wherevermyhardrive is
[04:02] <Bicchi> dark_suic: so i am swiching back to windows when i need to manage the ipod
[04:02] <igorayeb> Good night anyone can help me plase
[04:02] <dark_suic> well, you can use vmware ... if it's for 64 bits :P
[04:02] <dark_suic> you can use vmware to install a windows INTO linux
[04:02] <Bicchi> dark_suic: is it free
[04:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yeah, like i did
[04:02] <dbglt> so for me, that's mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3 ; chroot /mnt/hda3 ; grub-install /dev/hda
[04:03] <dark_suic> Bicchi, emule-free :P not free at all :P
[04:03] <mase_> ok dbglt
[04:03] <Bicchi> dark_suic: gotcha
[04:03] <dark_suic> igorayeb, first ask, then we'll see, we can't know
[04:03] <Bicchi> dark_suic: does vmware really emulates windows perfectly
[04:03] <dark_suic> Bicchi, sorry for not being of more help, but when i got my mp3 player the first thing i looked for was linux-compatibility
[04:03] <igorayeb> dark_suic: Arts send-me a messenger saing my sound is busy and can satart. :(
[04:04] <dark_suic> Bicchi, it doesn't emulate windows
[04:04] <dark_suic> it INSTALLS windows
[04:04] <Bicchi> dark_suic: you were of enought  help thanks
[04:04] <Bicchi> dark_suic: i have posted on apple's website to support the ogg format. you should do the same.
[04:04] <dark_suic> igorayeb, it happens every time you boot??? or just tried once?
[04:05] <igorayeb> every time..
[04:05] <Bicchi> dark_suic: can i use vmware if i allready have windows installed
[04:05] <dark_suic> don't like ipod at all, although may think of it if it has ogg support :P
[04:05] <igorayeb> dark_suic: every time.
[04:05] <dark_suic> yes, you can, Bicchi you will only need a new partition (i think) for windows, although not sure, just don't know how it works
[04:05] <dark_suic> igorayeb, i've seen this problem before
[04:06] <dark_suic> try looking into kcontrol -> sounds
[04:06] <dark_suic> and looking into there
[04:06] <dark_suic> it's 4 am and i'm too sleepy to remember, sorry :P
[04:07] <Bicchi> dark_suic: 4 am ouch
[04:07] <Bicchi> dark_suic: zombie
[04:07] <dark_suic> well, not at all, i'm used to it... but still 4 am is 4 am :P
[04:07] <dbglt> why can I not have the "akode" and the "juk" package installed at the same time?
[04:07] <Red_Herring> who says you cant?
[04:07] <dbglt> Red_Herring: apt!
[04:08] <Red_Herring> apt-get install akode juk
[04:08] <Red_Herring> does it get some sort of error?
[04:08] <admrl> ive been trying to use sdl and every time i use it i get this error
[04:08] <admrl> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7672
[04:08] <admrl> can anyone help
[04:08] <dbglt> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:08] <dbglt>   libakode2: Conflicts: akode but 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:08] <Red_Herring> try aptitude
[04:08] <dark_suic> in my apt juk depends on akode, dbglt
[04:08] <Red_Herring> sudo aptitiude install akode juk
[04:08] <igorayeb> dark_suic:when i gona test hes saing : device: default can be opened for playback (device or resource busy)
[04:09] <dbglt> Red_Herring: what is aptitude?
[04:09] <Red_Herring> its a frontend to apt
[04:09] <Red_Herring> kinda
[04:09] <dbglt> Red_Herring: same error
[04:09] <Red_Herring> but it can handle errors like that
[04:09] <Red_Herring> hmm
[04:09] <Red_Herring> try installing them separatly?
[04:09] <dark_suic> igorayeb, the idea is not to test sounds, but to see configurations and try changing anything..
[04:09] <Lord_Athur> hey all
[04:09] <dbglt> I think juk wants libakode2... which must overwrite akode
[04:09] <Red_Herring> hi
[04:09] <dbglt> Red_Herring: I did. They want to uninstall each other :)
[04:09] <dark_suic> try to look around kcontrol for seeing anything sound-related
[04:09] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[04:09] <Red_Herring> i suggest using amarok
[04:10] <Red_Herring> and forgetting about juk
[04:10] <dbglt> hah
[04:10] <dbglt> no
[04:10] <dbglt> amarok is useless :)
[04:10] <Red_Herring> ya think so?
[04:10] <Red_Herring> i find it awesome
[04:10] <dbglt> I've been using juk for years, does all that I need
[04:10] <dark_suic> amarok roolz
[04:10] <dbglt> and looks nice IMHO
[04:10] <dbglt> *nicer
[04:10] <dark_suic> :P
[04:10] <Red_Herring> argueably
[04:10] <Red_Herring> i think amarok looks much better
[04:10] <Red_Herring> also, what is akode?
[04:10] <dbglt> just simple "no bullshit, I'm just a media player"
[04:10] <dark_suic> yeah, in the end, all is to get used to it
[04:11] <dbglt> I tag your music! And also play it!
[04:11] <dbglt> and that's all
[04:11] <dark_suic> well, amarok is THE media player :P
[04:11] <dbglt> I don't dance and perform juggling acts and such
[04:11] <igorayeb> dark_suic: in every configuration hes say busy.. :(
[04:11] <Red_Herring> dark_suic: no, vlc is THE media player
[04:11] <dark_suic> then i can't tell you much more :P
[04:11] <dark_suic> ok, Red_Herring then amarok is THE music player :P
[04:11] <Red_Herring> if vlc and/or mplayer cant play it, it cant be played
[04:11] <dark_suic> although i still prefer kaffeine to vlc
[04:11] <Red_Herring> dark_suic: ok
[04:12] <dbglt> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:12] <dbglt>   libakode2: Conflicts: akode but 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:12] <Red_Herring> we can aggree upon that
[04:12] <dbglt> eek
[04:12] <dbglt> aKode is a new multithreaded audio library that provides aRts with plugins to play a variety of formats: Ogg Vorbis, Musepack (MPC), FLAC and Speex. aKode also focuses on performance, and so it means a big enhancement for users runing aRts in non-realtime mode.
[04:12] <dark_suic> Red_Herring, i've had files that got no sound in mplayer / vlc but played perfectly on kaffeine
[04:12] <Red_Herring> try and play a .wmv file
[04:12] <Red_Herring> on kaffeine
[04:12] <Red_Herring> w/o win32codecs installed
[04:12] <Red_Herring> vlc can
[04:12] <dark_suic> ah, but i have them installed :P
[04:12] <dark_suic> i know it can
[04:12] <Red_Herring> true
[04:12] <dbglt> vlc is very nice too
[04:12] <igorayeb> dark_suic: in every configuration hes say busy.. :(
[04:12] <dark_suic> i did had vlc until i knew about w32codecs :P
[04:12] <Red_Herring> i just like vlc and teh fact its for all OSs
[04:13] <Red_Herring> it was on the win2000 boxes in chemestry
[04:13] <Red_Herring> ;-)
[04:13] <dark_suic> igorayeb, then i can't help you much more, try asking google, it will almos for sure know the answer
[04:13] <dbglt> the history plugin in kopete is amazingly slow for me
[04:13] <dbglt> had like 10 lines of history... took 10 seconds to load a chat window
[04:13] <Red_Herring> i had that too
[04:13] <Red_Herring> i just restarted it
[04:13] <ClayG> is there anything like this http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/SIW-System-Info--Build-Download-15757.html for linux?
[04:13] <Red_Herring> and it was all better
[04:14] <Red_Herring> oh yeah
[04:14] <Red_Herring> its called /proc
[04:14] <Red_Herring> try cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:14] <Red_Herring> it tells you all you need to know about your processor
[04:16] <troth> hi, i just  downloaded the madwifi drivers, uncompressed the tarball and im not sure what to do next please help
[04:17] <Red_Herring> !madwifi
[04:17] <ubotu> I don't know, Red_Herring
[04:17] <owner> madwifi are in the restricted kernel modules
[04:17] <owner> matching your kernel version
[04:17] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[04:17] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:17] <Red_Herring> i thought i saw madwifi drivers in there
[04:25] <troth> the modules are the drivers right?
[04:43] <shawkins> kkathman
[04:50] <troth> so i just installed the madwifi modules through a .deb package and my card isnt visible to iwconfig, anyone know why? can i uninstall them?
[04:50] <troth> *is invisible
[04:52] <troth> i have kerenel 2.6.12-9-386, can i upgrade maybe?
[04:52] <troth> i have to get this to work
[04:52] <owner> install restricted kernel modules
[04:52] <owner> it has wifi in it
[04:52] <owner> search synaptic
[04:53] <owner> it should be like this 2.6.12-9-386 restricted kernel
[04:53] <owner> modules
[05:05] <troth> still the same, anymore suggestions?
[05:06] <owner> troth what card do you have anyway?
[05:06] <owner> you never did mention...
[05:07] <troth> its a proxim 8470-WD, claims to just work thats why i bought it
[05:08] <owner> okay
[05:09] <owner> !wifi
[05:09] <ubotu> wifi is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[05:10] <troth> it cant find the interface anymore
[05:10] <mase> guys my grub is screwed up
[05:11] <mase> wont boot windows
[05:11] <mase> gives me a weird error :()
[05:11] <widi> grub
[05:11] <mase> i did grub-install
[05:11] <mase> but it doesnt work o_O
[05:12] <mase> boots my linux, but not windows
[05:12] <troth> your MBR is screwed up
[05:12] <unix_infidel> does kubuntu use arts by default?
[05:12] <mase> what do u mean o_O
[05:12] <widi> grub intalled in MBR
[05:13] <mase> it install in hda
[05:13] <mase> is that mbr? :p
[05:13] <widi> is Linux runnig
[05:13] <widi> how many OS do you have
[05:13] <mase> just 2
[05:13] <mase> Linux / Windows
[05:13] <mase> Windows was running, but GRUB wasnt showing up
[05:13] <mase> so i used a live cd to do grub-install
[05:13] <mase> now only linux works lol
[05:14] <mase> i did grub-install /dev/hda
[05:14] <mase> thats what someonme here told me :S
[05:14] <widi> edit it menu.conf
[05:14] <mase> wheres menu conf
[05:15] <unix_infidel> does kubuntu use artsd by default or use alsa's dmix?
[05:15] <widi> boot / group
[05:15] <widi> sorry
[05:15] <widi> grub
[05:15] <widi> in menu.conf available xample
[05:16] <widi> how to create menu for windows partition
[05:16] <mase> it says windows is 0,0
[05:16] <mase> hd0,0
[05:16] <widi> ya
[05:16] <mase> but it doesnt boot..
[05:17] <mase> did grub format my windows or something... ?
[05:17] <widi> could you give me the error message
[05:17] <mase> k
[05:17] <widi> while loading to wind
[05:17] <mase> ill go get it
[05:17] <mase> brb.
[05:18] <widi> linux is safe for other OS
[05:18] <widi> can you mount /dev/hda1
[05:18] <ilba7r> !grub
[05:18] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[05:21] <mase> who was helping me with grub?
[05:21] <widi> yup
[05:21] <ilba7r> !tell mase about grub
[05:21] <widi> shoot
[05:22] <mase> it says
[05:22] <mase> file system unknown, partition type 0x7
[05:22] <widi> wait
[05:23] <widi> it seem grub cannot find system in windows partition
[05:24] <widi> does hda1 read able by LINUX
[05:24] <mase> well
[05:24] <mase> it was on my fstab to be read
[05:24] <mase> but now it doesnt anymore ??
[05:24] <widi> tray to mount
[05:25] <widi> if it can be mounted
[05:25] <mase> just tried
[05:25] <mase> gave me an error
[05:25] <mase> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[05:25] <widi> i guest you lost boot.ini
[05:25] <dbglt> is there any reason why juk does not save my shortcuts after I quit and restart it?
[05:25] <dbglt> mase: hi
[05:26] <mase> hey :/
[05:26] <dbglt> mase: what partition did you have?
[05:26] <mase> dev/hda for windows
[05:26] <mase> NTFS
[05:26] <dbglt> mase: what is the output of fdisk -l? PM me it
[05:26] <dbglt> would be /dev/hda1, then?
[05:26] <dbglt> the /dev/hda is the entire device
[05:27] <dbglt> partitions are numbered off
[05:27] <mase> did u get my msg
[05:27] <dbglt> not that I can see!
[05:29] <sadsadsadsa> get it now dbglt ?
[05:38] <Den>  Hi - How do I get a list of packages available to apt-get?  "dpkg -l" doesn't work - it only shows some of the packages that are available.  I see many emacs related packages in the Adept package manager, but only two list with "dpkg -l".  What's up?
[05:38] <ilba7r> den dpkg -l is for packages that are installed on your pc
[05:39] <ilba7r> adept will list those installed and in the repositories
[05:40] <Den> ilba7r: So, what command lists the available packages?  Ex: all packgaes that contain "emacs" in their name, or name & description?
[05:41] <ilba7r> you can use adept as you did. it will search installed and available so you can install them
[05:42] <howcomes> !ati
[05:42] <ubotu> hmm... ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[05:43] <Den> ilba7r: Thx, but shouldn't ther be a just debian tool command that does that?
[05:43] <mase> yeap im officialy screwed, windows doesnt work, i tried FIXMBR with win XP cd and grub still shows up!!! grr
[05:44] <ilba7r> den sorry thought you do not like the command line
[05:44] <ilba7r> den ok sudo apt-get search or sudo aptitude search
[05:44] <Den> ilba7r: no, i wanted a comand line tool
[05:44] <Den> ilba7r: thx!
[05:45] <ilba7r> den i mainly use aptitude let me check the one for apt-get
[05:46] <ilba7r> its apt-cache show
[05:49] <dbglt> mase: grub should recognize your windows install
[05:50] <Den> ilba7r: thx
[05:50] <ilba7r> yw:)
[05:51] <owner> !easysource
[05:51] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:53] <dbglt> has anyone had any problems with receiving files from other msn users over the kopete network? It downloads fine... and completes, but when I go to open the file, it is 0 bytes big
[05:57] <owner> dbglt, what about the latest amsn
[05:57] <owner> its really nice
[05:59] <dbglt> when I ask about a certain piece of software, I like to stick with it :P
[05:59] <dbglt> amsn I tried a few months ago
[05:59] <dbglt> was horrid
[05:59] <dbglt> kopete integrates nicely with kde desktop, looks part of my desktop, and generally works quite decently
[06:01] <ilba7r> dbglt, i never had problems with gaim.
[06:02] <dbglt> again... I'm using kopete
[06:02] <dbglt> I don't wish to install gaim, and its associated libraries
[06:03] <dbglt> when I have a perfectly good client here
[06:03] <owner> the latest cvs amsn is really nice
[06:03] <owner> and stable
[06:03] <owner> you can install it from the klik website
[06:03] <owner> to try it out
[06:03] <wotnarg> Any plans on updating designer-qt4 (or qt4 in general)?
[06:04] <wotnarg> breezy that is
[06:11] <gamma> dbglt: everyone i talk to says file transfer for msn in kopete is broken atm
[06:12] <dbglt> gamma: it is
[06:12] <dbglt> gamma: for msn 7.5
[06:13] <dbglt> gamma: apparently it is resolved, but will be a while before the fix comes into a stable branch
[06:13] <dbglt> afaik
[06:13] <gamma> time for you and your friends to switch to aim or jabber :P
[06:14] <callie> gah, AOL or MSN? what a choice!
[06:14] <dbglt> msn is what people around here use
[06:14] <dbglt> I have little say in it :)
[06:14] <gamma> for me it's been aim
[06:15] <gamma> everyone i know came from 56k aol at one point in their lives
[06:15] <callie> everyone i know uses msn too
[06:15] <gamma> are you guys in the US?
[06:15] <callie> nope
[06:15] <gamma> that's why
[06:15] <gamma> us = aol
[06:15] <dbglt> I'm not
[06:15] <callie> well it is america on line
[06:15] <callie> kinda says it all really
[06:15] <dbglt> don't think I've ever even used it heh
[06:16] <gamma> well aol was the only isp out there for a while
[06:16] <gamma> or known one
[06:16] <gamma> the aol disks in the mail, constant tv ads, etc
[06:16] <snowowl> road runner
[06:16] <gamma> i'm talking about like 10years ago
[06:17] <gamma> people would buy computers, use aol and stick with it.. then high speed came out, they'd switch isps and go to aim
[06:19] <gamma> woa
[06:19] <gamma> h
[06:19] <gamma> i just noticed the konqueror search thing on the start page.. and it's fast
[06:19] <gamma> the locate: tag
[06:48] <dude1003> Anyone on her can answer some questions about IRC channels?
[06:49] <dude1003> exit
[06:51] <landon> in which file does ubuntu bind the X server and kdm/gdm session to vt7?
[06:53] <ilba7r> landon check gdm.conf
[06:53] <ilba7r> /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[06:53] <landon> not using gdm.. using kdm for this instance.. was wondering where kdm binds to vt7
[06:53] <ilba7r> might be the same
[06:53] <ilba7r> sorry not using kdm here
[06:55] <gamma> hmm
[06:56] <gamma> landon: it's not in /etc/kde3/kdm somewhere?
[06:56] <gamma> yea
[06:57] <gamma> landon: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc the line ServerVTs=-7
[06:58] <landon> yeah found it
[06:58] <landon> so i guess if i wanted to add more vt's i would do change that number to one less than i actually wanted
[06:59] <landon> so if that was changed to 11 then X would switch to vt12. right?
[06:59] <gamma> isn't it on vt7 now when the option is 7?
[07:00] <landon> ohh yeah your right.. i meant change that number to 12 and list vt 1-11 in the getty list below..
[07:00] <gamma> yea that should do the trick
[07:01] <landon> so does gdm put it in the gdm.conf file also?
[07:01] <landon> yeah i think i found it there also.. thanks for the help gamma
[07:02] <ilba7r> landon
[07:02] <ilba7r> if you want to add more terminals you need to set you init.d
[07:02] <gamma> but he neds to specify that line in kdm also for things to work peachy i believe
[07:02] <landon> you mean do it on a different runlevel?
[07:03] <gamma> anyway zz
[07:03] <ilba7r> let me check it for you thats if you want more command line vt
[07:03] <landon> yeah thanks ilba7r
[07:04] <ilba7r> ok landon the file is /etc/inittab
[07:05] <ilba7r> you need to edit it to add the new terminals
[07:05] <ilba7r> you will find you have from 1 to 6
[07:05] <landon> ahh.. ok.. thanks ilba
[07:05] <landon> yeah.. the tty section of inittab is kind of like /etc/ttys from FreeBSD
[07:06] <ilba7r> so add for example 7:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty7
[07:06] <ilba7r> yah i think they are the same
[07:06] <ilba7r> just make sure you do not have conflicts with x by setting it first
[07:16] <Strike> anybody know if theres a way to easily expand my destop via my laptops S-Video Out?
[07:18] <widi> ah
[07:19] <dbglt> any idea why konqueror deems it ok to open the deb files I'm trying to download in kate?
[07:22] <zach> I'm interested in upgrading my kernel to 2.6.15 because it has the updated version of the saa7134 driver that I need. What's the "Kubuntu" way to go about doing that? Build it myself then package it, or upgrade to dapper?
[07:29] <zach> Hello>
[07:29] <zach> Hello?
[07:29] <dbglt> zach: hi
[07:30] <dbglt> errm
[07:30] <zach> dbglt: Which way should I go about getting 2.6.15?
[07:31] <dbglt> zach: do you want source of just image?
[07:31] <dbglt> zach: as usually debian images have their own patch sets and are very modular
[07:32] <zach> I just want the newest saa7134 module that supports my tvtuner, which was introduced in 2.6.15... I don't care if I need to build or not, I just need to know which way is the preferred way for Kubuntu
[07:32] <dbglt> zach: linux-image-686 grabs the latest
[07:32] <dbglt> zach: or 386
[07:32] <dbglt> or k7!
[07:32] <dbglt> depends on arch
[07:32] <dbglt> that just gets the image
[07:32] <zach> Hooray! K7 for my athlon =)
[07:32] <dbglt> linux-image-k7
[07:33] <dbglt> 2.6.12.16.1
[07:33] <zach> just add dapper to my apt list, and go from there?
[07:33] <dbglt> hrmm
[07:33] <dbglt> not too new there
[07:33] <dbglt> yeah
[07:33] <dbglt> well
[07:33] <dbglt> just for kernel
[07:34] <dbglt> should be a wiki on this
[07:34] <dbglt> hold up
[07:35] <unix_infidel> does kubuntu use artsd by default?
[07:35] <dbglt> zach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto
[07:35] <dbglt> zach: will probably need to build it, doubt something that new will have a binary version
[07:35] <dbglt> unix_infidel: I believe so. Depends on the application
[07:36] <zach> dbglt: Thanks much
[07:38] <boz> Ok whos the resident Icecast Wizard in here?
[07:39] <fulld> how do I get a later version of digikam using adept?
[07:39] <boz> Heres my problem I fetched icecast but i can't seem to find it on my desktop
[07:39] <fulld> it deafults to giving me an old verions
[07:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i associate a program to a given protocol in firefox?
[07:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like sftp with konqueror
[07:41] <dbglt> hi
[07:41] <fulld> Tallia1Kubuntu: about:config
[07:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi
[07:41] <dbglt> how do I go about adding a command
[07:42] <dbglt> to autostart?
[07:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> for kde?
[07:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you have to put an entry in a particular folder
[07:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the folder is
[07:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ~/.kde/Autostart
[07:42] <dbglt> I want to do
[07:42] <dbglt> xcompmgr -cfF
[07:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> create a symbolic link in there to the executable of the program
[07:43] <dbglt> how do I pass arguments?
[07:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what does that do?
[07:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[07:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you have to write the command inside a script
[07:43] <fulld> search for proto
[07:43] <dbglt> -s : enable simple shadows
[07:43] <dbglt>  -fF : enable fadeins/fadeouts
[07:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and put the script ( executable)
[07:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> inside that folder
[07:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i do that for ..... i think the noip application
[07:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if you want to start that as a system servie
[07:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> service..
[07:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> before KDE is started
[07:44] <eightiesk> hey
[07:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> just put an entry in /etc/init.d
[07:44] <eightiesk> how would i run a sh file i edited.
[07:44] <divansantana> Does anyone know where kde 3.5.1 is? It was suppose to be released the 20th of Jan 2006 I believe. I'm still waiting :D I see on http://kubuntu/packages there is a kde-351 directory now!! :D
[07:45] <eightiesk> it just goes to kate
[07:45] <divansantana> But it doesn't work yet :(
[07:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and then a symbolic link in the /etc/rc?.d
[07:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eightiesk: you have to do ./NAMEOFSCRIPT
[07:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in the directory where the script is located
[07:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> another way is: exec NAMEOFSCRIPT
[07:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> check you have given the script exec permissions
[07:46] <fulld> divansantana: do you know how to get unstable packages?
[07:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> chmod +x FILENAME gives eXecution permission to a file
[07:46] <divansantana> fulld: nope, how? :D
[07:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hope it helps
[07:47] <fulld> damn
[07:47] <fulld> divansantana: that's what I'm stuck on
[07:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> fulld: i can't find it
[07:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> about config?
[07:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in firefoc
[07:48] <divansantana> O well it should be released any day now...
[07:49] <fulld> Tallia1Kubuntu: network.photocol-handler.*
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> where?
[07:49] <fulld> url = about:config
[07:49] <eightiesk> Tallia1Kubuntu, it says comand not found.
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oooooooooooooo
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> type ll inside the bash
[07:49] <eightiesk> ??
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> LL in lowercase
[07:49] <fulld> i don't know the syntax, but those are where the keys you are looking for are at
[07:49] <eightiesk> me?
[07:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> fulld: tnx
[07:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eightiesk: yes
[07:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you have to know if the file is executable
[07:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> let me show you an example in pastebin
[07:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> gimme 2 minutes and you have your example
[07:50] <fulld> np
[07:50] <eightiesk> same error
[07:51] <eightiesk> hold on the bash is inbetween sudo and the file name right?
[07:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> wait a sec
[07:52] <vijay> can anyone one help me how to configure samba to connect to another system, when i tried konqurer is crashing???
[07:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> when i try, conqueror crashes* :)
[07:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2i4fJB31.html
[07:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eightiesk: check it out
[07:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> before you can see the file has not an X in the user permission line
[07:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> then you add the exec permission with chmod and you can execute correctly
[07:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if you still have problems just create another paste and publish the link
[07:54] <vijay> i even used komba, it is saying that "smbmount exited with errors and SMB connection failed"
[07:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> uh, another thing, in the beginning of the string you have to specify with kind of shell executes the script
[07:55] <eightiesk> Tallia1Kubuntu, well i just wanna install this skin n the sh ain't been wanting to work.
[07:55] <eightiesk> when i double click it.
[07:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> using bash, very common choice, #!/bin/sh
[07:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok, so i think that that file doesn't have exec permission
[07:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> click with the right button -> proprieties
[07:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and you can change permissions even in there using an user interface
[07:56] <eightiesk> k
[07:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> god guys, i type kind of fast ^___^
[07:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the window is full of my ****
[07:56] <vijay> an anyone one help me how to configure samba to connect to another system  when i try, conqueror crashes* :)
[07:57] <vijay>  i even used komba, it is saying that "smbmount exited with errors and SMB connection failed"
[07:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> vijay: what kind of command do you use to refer to the other system?
[07:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[07:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> komba???
[07:57] <vijay> like this smb://10.21.244.53
[07:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok
[07:57] <vijay> and komba also
[07:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> before of all try to see if you can ping it
[07:57] <vijay> yes
[07:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> open a terminal and ping that address
[07:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok
[07:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ,mhhh
[07:57] <vijay> ok
[07:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is that a winzoz machine?
[07:58] <vijay> yes and it is pinging
[07:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[07:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> there's an issue that i discovered yesterday about samba
[07:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> an option have to be setted using debconf in order to work properly with windows
[07:59] <dbglt> is there any difference between xcompmgr and kompmgr?
[07:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> boh, i don't know them :)
[07:59] <vijay> where can i locate debconf
[08:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok
[08:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> locate?
[08:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it is a command in the path
[08:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> so just type
[08:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure samba
[08:01] <vijay> tallia1kubuntu: ok
[08:01] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the second screen will show you what i am speaking about
[08:01] <eightiesk> Tallia1Kubuntu, dumb theme still won't work :-(
[08:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it is not executed?
[08:02] <vijay>  Tallia1Kubuntu, if i run it what about my previous samba configuration?
[08:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> try to see if you can execute it from command line
[08:02] <vijay> ok
[08:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> vijay: i had no problems
[08:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> your preferences are saved in your home
[08:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> those are system wide service preferences
[08:03] <vijay> ok
[08:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eightiesk: try to open a terminal, reach the path of the script
[08:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eightiesk: and execute it with ,/
[08:04] <eightiesk> i did
[08:04] <eightiesk> i even sudoed it
[08:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and what the terminal log says?
[08:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> vijay: ? it works?
[08:05] <vijay> Tallia1Kubuntu, thanks, it is working
[08:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok..
[08:05] <dbglt> ok
[08:05] <dbglt> does anyone know the kde package I need to get previews in apollon working?
[08:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i'm happy for you
[08:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> apollon?
[08:05] <vijay> Tallia1Kubuntu,iam able toi access shared folder
[08:06] <dbglt> Tallia1Kubuntu: it is a file sharing client, gnutella, openft, fasttrack and a few other networks
[08:06] <dbglt> frontend to gift
[08:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> vijay: ??
[08:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> still don't understand how to change the program to associate a protocol for firefox
[08:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see... have you ever tried amule?
[08:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it works kindof good too :)
[08:08] <dbglt> Please install the KDE multimedia-video package to enable the media player.
[08:08] <dbglt> that's what it tells me to do
[08:09] <vijay> Tallia1Kubuntu, i have another problem with my via graphic card, if i enable it my monitor is going out of frequency see my xorg.conf http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/512763
[08:10] <dbglt> I think that...
[08:10] <dbglt> it wants mplayer
[08:10] <dbglt> kmplayer
[08:10] <dbglt> but I can't find that in the hoary package repositories
[08:11] <eightiesk> Tallia1Kubuntu, thanks
[08:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you are welcome
[08:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dbglt: kmplayer???
[08:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what is that?
[08:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i always used gmplayer .... pretty shitty,. so in the end i use coommand line mplayer
[08:13] <eightiesk> Tallia1Kubuntu, do you know how i could change the k Menu to another image and second do you know how i could get it to open with the win button?
[08:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> vijay: i can't really help you on this.. :) i can't read and understand yoru xorg file :P i am not such a nerd
[08:14] <vijay> ok, thanks for atleast trying to help me
[08:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> vijay: try to reconfigure the xorg package
[08:14] <vijay> yes tried that one also
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what's the problem sorry?
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> out of frequencY?
[08:16] <vijay> yes, it is saying that some kernel problem or something
[08:16] <vijay> iam not sure
[08:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry.... try on the xorg irg
[08:16] <vijay> ok
[08:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> #xorg
[08:17] <eightiesk> does anyone know how i could change the k Menu to another image and second do you know how i could get it to open with the win button?
[08:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what do you mean?
[08:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the K symbol?
[08:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> try to go in the icon directory
[08:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and search out for the image
[08:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> than substitute the image
[08:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> with the one that you like
[08:18] <eightiesk> but what about the win button?
[08:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't know what do you mean
[08:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> explain better please
[08:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[08:20] <eightiesk> like press win(the windows button) and the task bar opens how can i get the kmenu to open by pressing the win key
[08:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ooooooo
[08:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[08:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh
[08:20] <eightiesk> lol
[08:20] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i think you should opt for something better
[08:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you know katapult?
[08:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if you know the name of the application
[08:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> just press a selected button
[08:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> insert the first 2 or 3 letters of the program and then he will do the dirty job :)
[08:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's very cool
[08:21] <sampan> alt+f2 works too -- and, unlike katapault, it will find apps even without a kde .desktop file
[08:21] <eightiesk> i know.
[08:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sampan: i know
[08:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but sometimes you don't know all the name of the application
[08:22] <sampan> i love katapault -- but i wish it found more (i.e., non-kde) apps :X
[08:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> or the name of the application is long
[08:22] <eightiesk> i'm trying to mess with my friend though.
[08:22] <sampan> tallia1kubuntu  yep that's try
[08:22] <sampan> true*
[08:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[08:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what'
[08:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[08:22] <eightiesk> i have a windows theme and a windows taskbar button.
[08:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ooo i see
[08:22] <eightiesk> make him think hes on windows :-p
[08:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you can build a little script that create an entry for every executable file in the path
[08:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in  the form of a desktop
[08:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it should be simple
[08:23] <eightiesk> i dunno much about linux
[08:23] <eightiesk> he kinda got me into it 4 days ago
[08:23] <eightiesk> lol
[08:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eeh
[08:23] <eightiesk> so i'm install it in his room while hes away
[08:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i did the same about an year ago
[08:23] <eightiesk> were roommates.
[08:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> someone have ever used NVU?
[08:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to create automatically frames or internal frames?
[08:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can't see it
[08:35] <eightiesk> i can't get that menu icon to work
[08:36] <eightiesk> ne 1 here?
[08:36] <eightiesk> Tallia1Kubuntu, u there?
[09:00] <divansantana> yebo
[09:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> firefox shoulda start working more
[09:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i'd like to see some more plugins for lots of multimedia contents
[09:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why konversation when i click on a link download the page in local and then open it with firefox instead of simply pass the link to it?
[09:04] <scorp007> hi all, can someone help me?
[09:05] <scorp007> i have this wierd problem with how konqueror draws some icons
[09:05] <scorp007> anyone here?
[09:07] <divansantana> yes it is a kde 3.5 bug kde 3.5.1 will fix it, upgrade...
[09:07] <scorp007> do you mean the toolbar buttons?
[09:07] <divansantana> nope whats that about
[09:07] <scorp007> like the back, and forward
[09:07] <scorp007> the ones with the drop down arow
[09:08] <scorp007> they kind of have the mouse over in the wrong place
[09:08] <scorp007> offsetted
[09:08] <scorp007> so when you click it performs the wrong action
[09:08] <scorp007> i have another computer and it works fine
[09:09] <scorp007> but I dont know why its not working here properly
[09:09] <scorp007> it only happens on the buttons where you can drop down
[09:09] <scorp007> like the back, forward, and parent directory
[09:09] <scorp007> I'll take a screenshot
[09:13] <dbglt> if I am using konqueror as a normal user, is it possibly for me to sudo to root while in that konqueror session, for example to copy or remove a file I don't have permission to?
[09:15] <scorp007> also a major problem is that it pops up menu's automatically whejn i hover over some icons
[09:15] <scorp007> like parent directory
[09:15] <scorp007> must be some setting i screwed up
[09:15] <scorp007> heres the image
[09:15] <scorp007> http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/2677/snapshot12dr.jpg
[09:16] <scorp007> see what i mean by incorrect drawing?
[09:17] <dbglt> how do I see a list of all security-updates for my install software in apt?
[09:19] <scorp007> divansantana, u there?
[09:19] <dbglt> is kynaptic any good?
[09:20] <scorp007> brb, reinstalling kde
[09:20] <divansantana> scorp007: yes
[09:20] <Howcomes> I've got an odd little problem
[09:20] <Howcomes> it starts like this....
[09:20] <dell500> how do i get that kicker bar thing? super karamba??
[09:20] <divansantana> am checking screenshot
[09:21] <Howcomes> I installed Windows XP -> Then i took my 80GB HDD and broke off 10GB for a new partition
[09:21] <divansantana> dbglt: nope try kpackage
[09:21] <divansantana> but all not great
[09:21] <Howcomes> installed Windows Vista on that, decided Vista was ghey, formatted the Vista partition, Vista Bootloader still remains
[09:21] <Howcomes> Then i decide hey lets try Linux, Installed Slackware 10.2, LILO Bootloader is installed
[09:21] <dbglt> better than adept?
[09:22] <Howcomes> Then im like ok, I cant get anything to work properly in here, Oh hey look Kubuntu, Installed Kubuntu 5.10 - GRUB becomes the active bootloader.
[09:22] <divansantana> kpackage different not really better, but its okayish, suppose depends on u. Might need customizing to make it work, check options
[09:23] <Howcomes> Ok, Well im going to need windows, oh shiza <Root>\Windows\System32\hal.dll missing or corrupt
[09:23] <divansantana> Howcomes: read the kudos faq
[09:23] <Howcomes> Boot XP CD -> Recovery Console, bootcfg /rebuild | fixmbr | fixboot
[09:23] <Howcomes> Now its back to LILO, And linux wont boot.
[09:23] <Howcomes> but windows works
[09:23] <Howcomes> heh'
[09:23] <Howcomes> suggestions?
[09:24] <Howcomes> I know Kubuntu 5.10 is on the 10gb partition somewhere, i just need to get LILO set up poperly and i think everything will be peachy
[09:24] <dbglt> is there a way to tell apt to upgrade all packages which have a security update?
[09:25] <Howcomes> dbglt
[09:25] <Howcomes> Run the Adept package manager
[09:25] <Howcomes> and tell it to Fetch Updates, Then Full Upgrade
[09:25] <Howcomes> Then Commit Changes
[09:25] <dbglt> I don't want full upgrade
[09:26] <dbglt> I only want security upgrade
[09:26] <Howcomes> im not sure then
[09:26] <Howcomes> you could try editing your sources.list and comment out all binary/source lists and leave just the security ones? would be my guess
[09:26] <Howcomes> but there's probably a better option
[09:26] <sampan> howcomes  i'm too much of a newb to really help much when it comes to bootloaders -- but you might try asking in #ubuntu (more eyes/minds to see your question)
[09:27] <Howcomes> hah
[09:27] <Howcomes> i am banned
[09:27] <sampan> oh
[09:27] <Howcomes> and i didnt even do anything!
[09:27] <sampan> lol
[09:27] <Howcomes> like, ive never been to #ubuntu before
[09:28] <Howcomes> they must've known i was coming
[09:28] <sampan> it's probably b/c you're using tor?  lots of freenode chans ban tor hosts by default i think
[09:28] <Howcomes> prolly
[09:28] <dbglt> can anyone who is using amd64 install cd tell me what the sources.list file for amd64 looks like?
[09:28] <sampan> not 100% sure of that, but i suspect that's the case
[09:28] <dbglt> for the amd64 install cd
[09:28] <Howcomes> it probably is
[09:28] <Howcomes> ive got nothing to hide from on this network, ill just connect directly
[09:28] <Howcomes> brb
[09:29] <Howcomes> bam
[09:29] <Howcomes> done
[09:29] <dbglt> anyone?
[09:29] <dbglt> I deleted that line, and can't find it again :(
[09:29] <Howcomes> what line ?
[09:30] <dbglt> the amd64 install cd repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:31] <dbglt> anyone can help me?
[09:31] <Howcomes> hmm
[09:32] <dell500> any suggestions on how to get the kicker and super karamba?
[09:32] <dell500> :)
[09:32] <Howcomes> try this perhaps ?
[09:32] <Howcomes> For stable amd64 packages
[09:32] <Howcomes> , go here : stable-amd64
[09:32] <Howcomes> Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:32] <Howcomes> deb http://spello.sscnet.ucla.edu/marillat/ sarge main
[09:32] <Howcomes> You also need a main amd64 repository.
[09:32] <Howcomes> See here for a list of mirrors.
[09:33] <Howcomes> http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html
[09:33] <dbglt> no I want the install CD
[09:33] <Howcomes> hmm
[09:33] <dbglt> so it can install packages from the CD
[09:35] <dbglt> just wondering if anyone can have a look in their sources.list if they use amd64 install?
[09:38] <Howcomes> try asking in #ubuntu ?
[09:38] <Howcomes> as there is 5 times the # of people there
[09:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> eheh
[09:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> most of the users are ubuntu or kubuntu?
[09:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is gnome more popular than kde?
[09:39] <sampan> howcomes  sometimes there's just not many people in watching in here.  and a problem like bootloader is independent of which DE you're using (same on gnome-ubuntu as on kde-kubuntu)
[09:39] <sampan> so worth a shot if you ask me
[09:40] <Howcomes> KDE is more popular then Gnome
[09:40] <Howcomes> but Ubuntu seems more popular then Kubuntu :P
[09:40] <dell500> i just downloade superkaramba, and i was wondering how i get all the stuff that isn't installed isntalled.... just wondering if there's a script or something that comes with sk
[09:40] <dbglt> does no one use amd64 kubuntu?
[09:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Howcomes: and why there's so many people in #ubuntu
[09:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oooooo
[09:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i say
[09:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i saw
[09:40] <Howcomes> because Kubuntu is considered a small offshoot of Ubuntu
[09:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> really?
[09:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why?
[09:41] <Howcomes> no idea
[09:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it is so coooool
[09:41] <sampan> yep b/c gnome the original/first ubuntu -- kubuntu was only added with hoary
[09:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[09:41] <Howcomes> its the exact same os
[09:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know
[09:41] <Howcomes> except Kubuntu comes with KDE
[09:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> simply different x overinterface
[09:41] <Howcomes> and Ubuntu comes with Gnome
[09:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i was ubuntu
[09:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and i unistalled gnome after 2 days :D
[09:41] <Howcomes> I've always liked KDE better then gnome, which is why i use Kubuntu :P
[09:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> same here !!! :)
[09:42] <Howcomes> but for the most part, the packages are interchangable
[09:42] <Howcomes> and most support questions/answers apply to both
[09:42] <Howcomes> wine is still wine regardless of DE
[09:43] <hussam> is there anyway I can integrate kpdf into firefox so I don't have to download acroread?
[09:43] <Howcomes> ALSA is still ALSA
[09:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know
[09:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can i ask you a thing?
[09:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> long time ago i changed up all the kde menu
[09:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but now when i install an application the menu entry is not inserted or insterted in a weird position
[09:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to repristinate he original kde menu organizaition and let him automatically reposition all the files
[09:46] <Howcomes> rebooting
[09:48] <dell500> how do you find out what drivers are being used on the video card?
[09:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> rebooting ........ no
[09:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i created subfolder redominated some of the existant and so on
[09:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and now it works very bad
[09:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> rebooting simply reload the same menu ^__^
[09:57] <owner> tallia, sudo apt-get install menu
[09:58] <EightiesK> hey
[09:59] <EightiesK> owner
[09:59] <EightiesK> owner
[09:59] <EightiesK> lol
[09:59] <owner> hi
[09:59] <owner> lol
[10:00] <insanekane> Tallia1Kubuntu: look at ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[10:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am taking
[10:02] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to delete this file and call a command that rebuild it automatically?
[10:03] <insanekane> Tallia1Kubuntu: i think ... just moving it away will do and your menu will be rebuilt
[10:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh let me try
[10:08] <howcomes> k i got GRUB re-installed (activated?)
[10:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhhh
[10:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> firefox favorities are simply contained in an html file right?
[10:13] <howcomes> not sure
[10:15] <howcomes> Anyone here know how i can get KDE Themes to work on Kubuntu ?
[10:22] <_mindspin> hi, I have to install unison-breezy backports on hoary, will that work????
[10:33] <mr-russ> _mindspin: no.
[10:34] <_mindspin> so i have to compile it from source if I need it?
[10:34] <mr-russ> _mindspin: you will probably need to get the source and recreate the packages for hoary.
[10:34] <mr-russ> _mindspin: easy thing is to download the src package by adding the deb-src backports.  and then rebuilding the debs and installing those.
[10:34] <_mindspin> compiling or building a deb file, what would be the best choice
[10:35] <mr-russ> _mindspin: building the deb will keep your system in a neat order.
[10:35] <_mindspin> ic
[10:36] <mr-russ> Once you start compiling and installing, it can get nastier.  Plus building the .debs allows for later use and dependancy management
[10:36] <_mindspin> I know, tried to compile/install some other source and that never worked due to dependencies
[10:39] <mr-russ> _mindspin: rebuilding the .deb will tell you that you need these dependancies.  Which should be met as hoary is not that old.
[10:39] <_mindspin> maybe I should upgrade.............
[10:40] <howcomes> Anyone here play Planeshift ?
[10:43] <howcomes> Anyway its a FREE NATIVE LINUX game (available for win32 as well)
[10:43] <howcomes> im gonna try it out
[10:43] <howcomes> http://www.planeshift.it/download.html
[10:44] <howcomes> if anyone else wants to try it out with me, feel free :P
[10:44] <abionnnn> what is it about?
[10:45] <howcomes> ihttp://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Planeshift
[10:45] <howcomes> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Planeshift
[10:45] <abionnnn> ugh mmorpg, my time is too precious
[10:45] <howcomes> heh
[10:46] <and1> -
[11:28] <Dribbelvieh> hallo
[11:54] <and1> blabla
[12:18] <howcomes> :P
[12:28] <nubuntu> I have used the macchanger utility to set a random mac address on my network card once. But now I cannot set a new mac. The same one appears every time I reboot. Anyone have a trick here?
[12:46] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: do you know when KDE 3.5.1 will be available?
[12:48] <teroedni> hey
[12:48] <teroedni> anything new in kde dapper?
[12:51] <Skrot> teroedni: Seems dapper now has 3.5.1
[12:51] <Skrot> kdelibs-data 4:3.5.1-0ubuntu1 :)
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> teroedni: are you running 3.5.0 or 3.4.3?
[12:52] <teroedni> kubuntu 5.10 which is 3.54 i think
[12:52] <teroedni> 3.4
[12:52] <teroedni> i meant
[12:52] <teroedni> :P
[12:52] <Skrot> Dapper has 3.5.1, but breezy can have 3.5
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> teroedni: There's some small differences, mostly with kopete, other than that - not much.
[12:52] <grexk> How dangerous is using hdparm in your HD?
[12:53] <LeeJunFan> grexk: depends on the args you give it.
[12:53] <Skrot> grexk: Depends on the args
[12:53] <Skrot> They're labeled if they are dangerous
[12:53] <grexk> if just setting DMA?
[12:53] <Skrot> That okay
[12:53] <Skrot> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx?
[12:53] <jeroenvrp> btw:
[12:53] <grexk> yup
[12:54] <jeroenvrp> how dangerous is it to upgrade breezy to dapper today>?
[12:54] <Skrot> jeroenvrp: I just did a dist-upgrade (already running dapper). Let me see if anything breaks
[12:54] <grexk> Skol: does that cmd help in the performance of the hardware?
[12:54] <grexk> jeroenvrp: I just installed dapper last night
[12:55] <grexk> :)
[12:55] <nubuntu> How do I use the mouse gestures in konqueror? click and move or what?
[12:55] <Skrot> grexk: If you don't have DMA enabled, YES.
[12:55] <grexk> Skrot: thanks
[12:55] <Skrot> DMA is a must on any desktop computer :)
[12:55] <grexk> I would try that later ;)
[12:55] <jeroenvrp> how can I see if I have DMA enableD?
[12:55] <Skrot> hdparm -d /dev/hdx
[12:56] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: no
[12:56] <Skrot> you might have to sudo or do it as root
[12:56] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: ok, thanks for your answer
[12:56] <jeroenvrp>  /dev/hda3: Permission denied
[12:57] <grexk> Skrot: have you tried tweaking hdparm with other options, which are considered dangerous?
[12:57] <Skrot> grexk: nope :)
[12:57] <grexk> :(
[12:57] <grexk> just the cmd above :)
[12:57] <Skrot> yupp
[12:57] <Skrot> I'm satisfied by the performance of my laptop harddrive already :p
[12:58] <jeroenvrp> Skrot: how do I see if DMA is set?
[12:58] <Skrot> jeroenvrp: sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda if hda is your harddrive
[12:58] <jeroenvrp> ah
[12:58] <jeroenvrp>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[12:59] <Skrot> Newer kernels have an option to use it by default, so it should be on for most people ;)
[12:59] <jeroenvrp> ok, so it is not recommended I update to Dapper allready?
[12:59] <LeeJunFan> jeroenvrp: it could break at any time.
[12:59] <grexk> jeroenvrp: If youre going to use it for production system ;)
[12:59] <Skrot> Depends on how experienced you are
[01:00] <jeroenvrp> mm those are two different questions
[01:00] <grexk> I advice you not upgrade;)
[01:00] <jeroenvrp> I mean answers
[01:00] <jeroenvrp> yes, but what is a production system
[01:00] <LeeJunFan> jeroenvrp: looks like us.archive mirror is missing some files like hal stuff, so I wouldn't net upgrade - at least not from that mirror.
[01:01] <jeroenvrp> ok, I'm sticking @ breezy and I hop KDE 3.5.1 will soons be released, because I feel there are some nasty bugs in 3.5.0
[01:01] <Skrot> Such as?
[01:01] <Skrot> I love my 3.5.0 :p
[01:01] <jeroenvrp> Skrot: konqueror crashing on some websites e.g.
[01:02] <grexk> jeroenvrp: You can even try backports of dapper:)
[01:02] <Skrot> Ah, I've had that problem on some sites too
[01:02] <jeroenvrp> and superkaramba
[01:02] <LeeJunFan> jeroenvrp: same here, some sites just don't have friendly code and konq doesn't seem to have strong enough error handling.
[01:02] <jeroenvrp> buggy as hell
[01:02] <jeroenvrp> unusable
[01:03] <Skrot> jeroenvrp: Superkaramba has always, and probably will always (untill it's merged with plasma in 4.0) be buggy :)
[01:03] <jeroenvrp> e.g. torrentspy.com
[01:03] <Skrot> yes, if you go back from a torrent on torrentspy.com konqi will die
[01:03] <jeroenvrp> Skrot: superkaramba just crashes every day
[01:03] <jeroenvrp> anyhow I've uninstalled superkaramba and I am using gkrellm now
[01:04] <Skrot> I'm just using the liquid weather theme, no crashes :>
[01:04] <jeroenvrp> I also had some unexpected KDE crash, putting me back to KDM, but that can also be a Xorg thing, or even my videocard
[01:05] <grexk> Skrot: do you also experience adept crash?
[01:05] <Skrot> I don't use adept :)
[01:06] <Skrot> I've started it a couple of times just to check it out, but I've never used it for any operations
[01:06] <grexk> ah ok, adept is so weird compared to synaptic :(
[01:06] <grexk> skrot: did you tried kde version of synaptic?
[01:07] <Skrot> hehe, imo, there should be a plugable KDE package manager :)
[01:07] <Skrot> Supporting every package system you make a plugin for
[01:07] <Skrot> I have not, grexk :)
[01:07] <grexk> :(
[01:07] <Skrot> i'm fond of apt command line :p
[01:08] <Skrot> But brb, shower :)
[01:11] <howcomes> Whats a good KDE Theme manager for Kubuntu ?
[01:12] <spindel> kcontrol :)
[01:12] <howcomes> thx
[01:13] <howcomes> there's no link to that on the menu i dont think
[01:13] <dark_suic> no, howcomes it isn't , menu -> run command -> kcontrol
[01:13] <dark_suic> in the menu you have system settings, a lite version of kcontrol :P
[01:13] <howcomes> ive always got a konsole open
[01:13] <vvatsa> its been moved to "system settings"
[01:13] <howcomes> i need to make a keyboard shortcut for Konsole
[01:13] <vvatsa> in k menu
[01:14] <dark_suic> howcomes, i do have konsole opened all the time, if you have it like that you won't need a shortcut :P
[01:14] <dark_suic> and you can add one to the taskbar
[01:14] <howcomes> but sometimes the console is in use
[01:14] <dark_suic> wow
[01:14] <howcomes> like now im updating planeshift
[01:14] <howcomes> which is going to take 3 years
[01:15] <dark_suic> i've managed to "uninstall" system settings and now it appears in the kmenu as a menu (like internet, games and so on)
[01:15] <dark_suic> i see it more useful as a menu than as an icon :P
[01:15] <howcomes> i need to find a nice dark theme
[01:15] <dark_suic> (idea for new versions?
[01:16] <dark_suic> most dark themes end having problems if you run any non-kde app
[01:16] <dark_suic> they don't have problems on use
[01:16] <dark_suic> but they do on fonts and so on
[01:16] <dark_suic> (unless you check that they use they own fonts, but then...)
[01:16] <howcomes> hmm
[01:17] <dark_suic> i hvae the dark blue from the kcontrol options for colors
[01:17] <dark_suic> and i'm quite happy
[01:17] <dark_suic> only that i changed some colors due to what i said you a moment before
[01:18] <howcomes> you think this would work ?
[01:18] <howcomes> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=33352
[01:18] <howcomes> Depends on:  KDE 3.0.x , im on KDE3.4.3
[01:21] <grexk> night guys ;)
[01:21] <howcomes> cya
[01:22] <dark_suic> it looks good, howcomes, but you can just try it
[01:22] <dark_suic> and see
[01:22] <howcomes> how do i install a .ktheme ?
[01:22] <dark_suic> maybe you don't experience things i do
[01:23] <howcomes> i got a .tar file and i tar -xf'd it
[01:23] <dark_suic> y think that copying it to .kde/themes, or something like that, hang on a sec
[01:23] <howcomes> and it gave me a .ktheme file
[01:23] <dark_suic> well, don't know, and have to leave NOW for a few minutes
[01:24] <dark_suic> see if someone answers :P
[01:25] <Skrot> Anyone else got a process named gam_server running? It's using 35% of my CPU and I can't kill it (killall -9 gam_server).
[01:26] <manveru> it's called gem_server ?
[01:26] <LeeJunFan> Skrot: I do but not using that much proc power.
[01:26] <LeeJunFan> gam_server
[01:26] <Skrot> gam_server
[01:27] <dark_suic> gam_server always runs
[01:27] <manveru> !?
[01:27] <ubotu> manveru: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> it watches for file changes.
[01:27] <dark_suic> i've seen errors of it loading all the cpu
[01:27] <manveru> -.-
[01:27] <dark_suic> but can't remember how to get rid of it
[01:27] <Skrot> I'll google then :)
[01:33] <dark_suic> howcomes, the theme looks fine
[01:33] <dark_suic> :)
[01:38] <howcomes> There just finished making my first little theme
[01:38] <howcomes> cept the 'Start' button area isnt themed, prolly have to log off/on for that
[01:41] <howcomes> once im done updating planeshift ill log off/on and perhaps take some screens
[01:43] <swim> hey folks
[01:43] <howcomes> hiya
[01:43] <swim> ktorrent keeps freezing on me
[01:43] <howcomes> tragic
[01:43] <howcomes> have you got the latest version ?
[01:44] <swim> i just did a full upgrade with adept... so I would believe so
[01:44] <howcomes> hmm
[01:44] <howcomes> ive never used ktorrent so im not sure
[01:44] <swim> it was working fine... not sure what happened
[01:46] <howcomes> try restarting it?
[01:46] <howcomes> try restarting the box, try another torrent
[01:46] <swim> tried rebooting actually
[01:46] <howcomes> make sure you chown all files its attempting to use/write to
[01:48] <swim> hmm some of the files are set as myusername adm... whats that?
[01:48] <howcomes> if the files are set as your username that is good
[01:48] <swim> they are
[01:48] <howcomes> its when their set as root and your running the program as not root and it tries to access them that permissions get in the way
[01:48] <howcomes> hmm
[01:49] <howcomes> do other torrents work ?
[01:49] <howcomes> maybe you just have to restart that torrent
[01:49] <swim> oh that would suck
[01:49] <howcomes> could be the pieces it downloaded are bad and the CRC checking is screwing up or something
[01:50] <dark_suic> swim,
[01:50] <swim> yes
[01:50] <dark_suic> ktorrent is still in beta
[01:50] <swim> oh
[01:50] <dark_suic> the repos version freezes
[01:50] <dark_suic> and the newest version
[01:50] <dark_suic> instead of freezing
[01:50] <dark_suic> gets the down speed to 0
[01:51] <dark_suic> closing and opening works too, but still is no good...
[01:51] <dark_suic> we'll have to wait
[01:51] <swim> hrmm i have downloaded stuff successfully with it
[01:51] <dark_suic> me too
[01:52] <dark_suic> but still is no good to restart it each 10 minutes
[01:52] <dark_suic> xD
[01:52] <howcomes> Anyone here play Enemy Territory ?
[01:52] <dark_suic> for the moment, until a new stable version is released i'm using azureus, although i have to admit that i want to use ktorrent asap
[01:53] <swim> dark_suic: what are u using instead?
[01:57] <dark_suic> azureus, swim
[01:57] <dark_suic> u need java to make it work
[01:57] <swim> ah, hmm not in any of my sources
[01:58] <dark_suic> swim, get the .deb from ftp://82.213.177.247
[01:58] <dark_suic> but still need java
[01:58] <dark_suic> going to eat, cya
[01:59] <swim> thx
[02:01] <C-O-L-T> hello here
[02:01] <C-O-L-T> nobody is talking
[02:01] <C-O-L-T> kubuntu is a dead channel ?
[02:02] <_kev> Not dead, really...
[02:02] <_kev> Just quiet :)
[02:03] <C-O-L-T> _kev: can I ask a question
[02:03] <wedgeV> hi, how can i get flash working in konqueror?
[02:03] <wedgeV> i installed the mozilla flash plugins but konqueror doesnt seem to load them
[02:03] <_kev> Sure...  Can't guarantee I'll be able to answer, but I'll give it a go.
[02:03] <C-O-L-T> wedgeV: just install mozzilla flash
[02:04] <brosioz> hi i'm using kubuntu but amrok doesn't works... i set gstreamer and alsaplugin anyone could help ?
[02:04] <C-O-L-T> _kev: can I make a larger partition for my Linux drive without reinstalling everything. So taking 2 GB from windows to Linux
[02:04] <C-O-L-T> brosioz: download amarok-xine in adept
[02:04] <enfact> yeah you can resize it
[02:04] <_kev> Use the xine engine for amarok..  gstreamer engine is kinda broken in breezy.
[02:05] <C-O-L-T> enfact: how?
[02:05] <C-O-L-T> enfact: without deleting windows or linux
[02:05] <brosioz> C-O-L-T: amarok-xine why this packages ?
[02:05] <enfact> i imagine things like partition magic can do it
[02:05] <enfact> i know that system commander can do it
[02:05] <enfact> i use that (great bootloader)
[02:05] <C-O-L-T> brosioz: cause gstreamer is not very well working
[02:05] <C-O-L-T> xine is good
[02:05] <C-O-L-T> enfact: how to make that?
[02:06] <enfact> they
[02:06] <enfact> are both sw packages
[02:06] <C-O-L-T> enfact: there is not other way?
[02:06] <enfact> i think there may be a freeware partition manager out but i cant remember, anybody
[02:06] <enfact> ones that can resize partitions
[02:06] <enfact> thats the only way i know of
[02:07] <C-O-L-T> enfact: thanks
[02:07] <enfact> no prob
[02:07] <brosioz> C-O-L-T: it's the same
[02:07] <brosioz> don't play
[02:07] <brosioz> i've change it on settings
[02:07] <C-O-L-T> brosioz: than dunno
[02:08] <igorayeb> my sound server send a message every time i reboot sayng the sound is busy anyone can help me
[02:10] <_kev> @igorayeb:  Play with the settings in control panel:  what does it say for "Select the audio device"?
[02:11] <igorayeb> _kev: Yep
[02:11] <igorayeb> isint auto-detect
[02:12] <Skrot> The only way I can directly control the fan of my laptop is if there something in /proc/acpi/fan, right?
[02:13] <dark_suic> brosioz, you need to install libmad0 to make mp3 work on amarok
[02:13] <dark_suic> (if it doesn't work install k3b-mp3 and it should work)
[02:14] <igorayeb> _kev: in in auto-detect my sound card
[02:15] <_kev> Interesting...  it works outside kde?
[02:15] <brosioz> dark_suic: alredy on it
[02:15] <brosioz> i try all options
[02:15] <brosioz> but oneworks
[02:15] <brosioz> :
[02:15] <brosioz> vlc and noatun works
[02:16] <igorayeb> _kev: i do no.
[02:16] <dark_suic> brosioz, it still doesn't work with it installed?
[02:16] <dark_suic> u closed and reopened amarok?
[02:16] <igorayeb> _kev: i think is a software doing this because a weks a go hes function perfectly
[02:17] <_kev> igorayeb: locate a wav file and do a 'play <whatever>.wav' in the terminal.  Does that work?
[02:17] <igorayeb> let i see
[02:19] <wedgeV> C-O-L-T: any ideas what might cause konqueror not to use the mozilla flash plugin?
[02:19] <C-O-L-T> wedgeV: you have to load konqueror - konqueror settings - and there plugins - search for plugins
[02:20] <wedgeV> yep, that worked! thanks!
[02:21] <howcomes> k
[02:21] <howcomes> tried running enemy territory, and the whole thing just went to hell
[02:21] <howcomes> i had to use some +softwareGL something or other
[02:22] <howcomes> and it ran, but it was so unresponsive i had to reboot to get back
[02:22] <igorayeb> _kev: play: command not found
[02:24] <_kev> @igorayeb:  Weird.  It worked a week ago?
[02:24] <igorayeb> _kev: yeah
[02:25] <_kev> What kind of sound card is it?
[02:25] <brosioz> dark_suic: i don't now...
[02:26] <igorayeb> _kev: its a SiS
[02:26] <dark_suic> brosioz, u tried to install libmad0 or k3b-mp3?
[02:26] <igorayeb> _kev: a have a desknote ECS
[02:28] <_kev> Have you tried forcing alsa, oss, or esd?
[02:28] <_kev> In the Kcontrol panel?
[02:29] <igorayeb> _kev: no
[02:29] <_kev> You could try that, maybe KDE and arts aren't quite detecting it properly.
[02:29] <_kev> Just muck around with it, hit Apply, and see if anything will play.
[02:29] <igorayeb> _kev: i'm tring
[02:30] <brosioz> done works
[02:30] <igorayeb> _kev: yastarday i try, but hes give-me the same message.
[02:31] <igorayeb> but i'm tring
[02:31] <_kev> The sound system in KDE is pretty frustrating.
[02:31] <Tm_T> _kev: you mean arts?
[02:31] <howcomes> Sound is the one thing i HAVENT had a problem with
[02:31] <igorayeb> _kev: i see that heheheh
[02:32] <_kev> Yeah, arts gives me issues pretty regularly.
[02:32] <evil-doer> sound is the only thing not working for me
[02:32] <igorayeb> _kev: break my work painel when i choose ALSA :(
[02:33] <evil-doer> and its a plan sblive card
[02:33] <Tm_T> KevManU: don't use it ;)
[02:33] <evil-doer> dunno why sound isnt working
[02:33] <evil-doer> plain
[02:33] <Tm_T> _kev: I mean, you propably don't need arts
[02:33] <_kev> How do you get around it?
[02:34] <knubbe> is it possible to change the default font in firefox? (in the menus)
[02:34] <Tm_T> knubbe: change gtk settings
[02:34] <Tm_T> _kev: just disable it and use alsaplayer to play system notification sounds
[02:35] <_kev> Just disable the sound system altogether?
[02:35] <Tm_T> and use alsaplayer
[02:35] <Tm_T> so you get same sounds but without arts
[02:35] <_kev> Cool, I'll try that.
[02:35] <_kev> Thanks, man.
[02:35] <Tm_T> no prob
[02:35] <knubbe> Tm_T: system settings -> appearence -> fonts ? firefox doesnt follow those options :-/
[02:36] <Tm_T> knubbe: aye, because those are not gtk settings
[02:36] <igorayeb> Tm_T: what i do to disable
[02:36] <knubbe> Tm_T: may i ask which ones you mean?
[02:36] <knubbe> Tm_T: .. that i should change
[02:37] <Tm_T> igorayeb: arts? in system settings -> sound -> "enable the sound system" disable it
[02:38] <igorayeb> Tm_T: ok, and now what i do
[02:38] <igorayeb> the arts are disable now
[02:38] <Tm_T> knubbe: in systemsettings -> appearance -> gtk styles and fonts
[02:39] <Tm_T> igorayeb: aye, now you have to do script that plays notification sounds without nasty gui ;(
[02:39] <howcomes> I'm having a metric ton of trouble getting Enemy Territory to work - can anyone help ?
[02:39] <Tm_T> howcomes: what kind of problems?
[02:39] <igorayeb> Tm_T: my arts in this week send me a messae avery boot ido saind : the saound are busy :(
[02:40] <Tm_T> igorayeb: yes, arts sucks
[02:40] <igorayeb> Tm_T: u have any idea qhat i do
[02:40] <igorayeb> what i do
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> kde4 is moving away from arts.
[02:40] <Tm_T> igorayeb: yes
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> finally.
[02:40] <_kev> That's good news.
[02:40] <Tm_T> LeeJunFan: aye, and that's really good thing
[02:40] <laga> what are they gonna do?
[02:40] <laga> instead of arts, i mean.
[02:41] <knubbe> Tm_T: thank you very much!
[02:41] <LeeJunFan> Personaly I don't see why the kernel can't handle multiple sound streams w/o a soundserver.
[02:41] <Tm_T> igorayeb: sudo apt-get install alsaplayer-alsa alsaplayer-text
[02:41] <LeeJunFan> laga: I don't think it's been determined yet, but they know it's not going to be arts.
[02:41] <laga> LeeJunFan: awesome news. :)
[02:41] <Xemanth^> i need help to set up x64 ati fglrx, i manged to screw x server
[02:42] <igorayeb> Tm_T: i'm doing thanks! ;)
[02:42] <howcomes> Tm_T well , when i run the game - its very slow and unresponsive, but its actually running - which is a start
[02:42] <Tm_T> igorayeb: hehe, that's only halfway there ;)
[02:42] <_kev> I have a fglrx card... kubuntu didn't detect it right.
[02:42] <howcomes> I had to issue a paramater like +SoftwareGL something or other
[02:42] <Tm_T> howcomes: and your display drivers are installed?
[02:43] <howcomes> I dont think so, at least not correctly
[02:43] <Xemanth^> _kev: i have here 3d acceleration but kernel shows really weird panic
[02:43] <Tm_T> exactly
[02:43] <howcomes> I had to go thru some tricks
[02:43] <howcomes> to get the ATI Control Panel to accept fglrx or something
[02:43] <igorayeb> Tm_T: he install and now what i do
[02:43] <Xemanth^> glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:43] <howcomes> so i could get Gamma correction
[02:43] <_kev> Xemanth^: Oyy...  that's bad.
[02:43] <Tm_T> howcomes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:43] <Tm_T> igorayeb: now we write small script
[02:44] <_kev> There are new drivers out from ATI, do you have the latest version?
[02:44] <Xemanth^> that binary how to didn't help
[02:44] <Xemanth^> _kev: it depends when they came out
[02:44] <_kev> I haven't checked in a couple of weeks.
[02:45] <Xemanth^> why the driver name have to fglrx, why ati doesn't change it more easy driver 'ati' ^
[02:45] <Xemanth^> ^^
[02:45] <Tm_T> igorayeb: create text file named "alsa-syssound.sh" or what you like it to be
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> I don't even bother with 3d under linux, I've got no use for it other than battery eating pretty screensavers that make my fans turbo out of control.
[02:45] <Tm_T> Xemanth^: because "ati" drivers are provided with xorg
[02:45] <howcomes> Tm_T im using a ATi Radeon 9200 SE
[02:46] <howcomes> i used the instructions for 5.04 Ubuntu
[02:46] <igorayeb> Tm_T: ok create.
[02:46] <Xemanth^> how do i reinstall xorg-driver-fglrx, it complains about weirdo errors
[02:46] <howcomes> didnt see the updated instructions below that. but im assuming i should do that
[02:46] <Tm_T> igorayeb: there, first line: #!/bin/sh
[02:46] <Tm_T> igorayeb: second line: alsaplayer -d plug:dmix -l 0.5 -i text -q $*
[02:47] <Tm_T> igorayeb: now save it
[02:48] <Xemanth^> pkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to  when removing `diversion of /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2_32bit by xorg-driver-fglrx'  found `diversion of /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/lib32/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[02:48] <howcomes> so how can i uninstall whatever graphics drivers i have installed and get the ones i want ?
[02:48] <Tm_T> howcomes: just follow that howto I mentioned
[02:50] <igorayeb> Tm_T:  did
[02:50] <igorayeb> Tm_T:  created :D
[02:51] <Tm_T> igorayeb: and you edited as I said? and it's saved?
[02:51] <igorayeb> Tm_T: edited or created
[02:51] <igorayeb> i create
[02:51] <Tm_T> ok
[02:52] <Tm_T> now, systemsettings -> sound -> notifications
[02:52] <kkathman> Tm_T: o/
[02:52] <Tm_T> kkathman: o/
[02:52] <howcomes> ok , problem with that HOWTO
[02:52] <Tm_T> igorayeb: there, "player settings" and select external player, and make it to point your script
[02:53] <howcomes> The window where im supposed to select the Ubuntu packages.....
[02:53] <howcomes> is too big
[02:53] <howcomes> I can only see the SuSe packages
[02:53] <Tm_T> igorayeb: and, then go to konsole and say "chmod +x foo.sh" where foo.sh is the script what you just created
[02:53] <howcomes> see up to the SuSE packages that is
[02:53] <kkathman> jonatan: it is already you can open a doc thats been created with Word[sokfvbslfpkw
[02:54] <kkathman> oops
[02:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: :O
[02:54] <igorayeb> Tm_T: i not findind
[02:54] <kkathman> I think my keyboard is going bad :(
[02:54] <igorayeb> Tm_T: in the sound, play external scripts.
[02:55] <Tm_T> igorayeb: systemsettings -> sound -> notifications ->
[02:55] <kkathman> Tm_T:  doesnt help that I accidentally spilled coffee onto it...not much... but you never know
[02:55] <Tm_T> igorayeb: and in lower right corner should be button named "Player settings"
[02:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: =)
[02:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: it's just isn't used to caffeine yet, keep feeding it
[02:56] <kkathman> fortunately, keyboads are cheap
[02:56] <kkathman> better than spilling into a laptop
[02:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok, wanna buy two for me?
[02:56] <howcomes> how can i select the Ubuntu packages if they appear off my screen in the dialog ?
[02:57] <kkathman> keyboards here...really really good ones are like $35-40,   but you can pick decent ones up for $10-20
[02:57] <Tm_T> kkathman: here, good one (what I'm using) ~30 
[02:57] <Tm_T> or less
[02:58] <Tm_T> those el cheapos are 6 
[02:58] <Tm_T> ok, now ffffooooooddd ->->
[02:58] <kkathman> yeah bout the same Tm_T,  this one is a logitech, with all the sound/windows extensions, blah blah  and it was like $30
[03:00] <zithie> there seems to be breezy packages for kde 3.51 in the same place where 3.5 packages are. is it installable already?
[03:01] <igorayeb> Tm_T: i find, my saund have to been disable in the soudn seetings
[03:01] <howcomes> can someone tell me how im supposed to select the Ubuntu packages in this screenshot ? http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5562/snapshot18wt.png
[03:02] <morrow> use the ubuntu fglrx package in the rep?
[03:04] <brosioz> which is the defualt mail agent on ubuntu ?
[03:05] <dark_suic> zithie, i'm on kde3.5.1 breezy now
[03:05] <brosioz> exim4 ?
[03:08] <zithie> dark_suic: and you installed the packages from kubuntu.org ?
[03:12] <asraniel> anybody know why i cant install kde-devel with kubuntu 5.10 and kde3.5 ? i have this error (german):
[03:13] <asraniel> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[03:13] <asraniel>   kde-devel: Hngt ab: kdesdk soll aber nicht installiert werden
[03:13] <asraniel>              Hngt ab: kdelibs4-dev soll aber nicht installiert werden
[03:13] <asraniel>              Hngt ab: kdebase-dev soll aber nicht installiert werden
[03:13] <asraniel>              Hngt ab: libkonq4-dev soll aber nicht installiert werden
[03:13] <igorayeb> Tm_T: i do every think, mut my sound have te bee disable int the seetings or not
[03:14] <dark_suic> zithie, yes
[03:14] <dark_suic> if in the kde3.5 repo
[03:14] <dark_suic> you change
[03:14] <dark_suic> kde35 for kde-latest
[03:14] <dark_suic> you will always have the latest stable version :)
[03:14] <Tm_T> asraniel: you don't have to flood here ;)
[03:16] <Tm_T> ok, I'm away for awhile, see ya ->
[03:16] <kkathman> dark_suic: always good to check kubuntu.org for announcements on new things
[03:17] <zithie> dark_suic: ok, thanks.
[03:19] <laga> does kubuntu use software suspend 1 oder software suspend 2?
[03:20] <dark_suic> kkathman, completely agree, but one thing doesn't make the another wrong, right?
[03:21] <kkathman> right :) hehe
[03:22] <kkathman> Lots of times, there are new releases that you may wish to know about on a beta or rc basis too, Those come through eithe Kubuntu.org, or KDE.org..that way you get the latest info :)
[03:22] <dark_suic> yep
[03:22] <dark_suic> there you get the latest info
[03:22] <dark_suic> and with the repo
[03:22] <dark_suic> you get the latest version
[03:22] <dark_suic> and seeing that kde is upgradeable
[03:22] <dark_suic> can make you remember to go to kubuntu.org or kde.org to see the changelog or things like that :)
[03:22] <kkathman> right, but occasionally they'll sneak a new repo in there
[03:23] <kkathman> not everyone, for instance might want to upgrade to an RC or Beta, so theyll provide a different repo for that
[03:23] <dark_suic> yeah
[03:23] <dark_suic> :)
[03:24] <kkathman> for all you bleeding edge folks  out there :)
[03:26] <evil-doer> i thought id give quake 3 a try just to see how it runs, surprisingly it runs very smooth even on this old junker, but i have no mouse control.   the mouse is a logitech ps/2 mouse. any ideas?
[03:30] <asraniel> are those kde 3.5.1 packages suposed to work on breezy?
[03:31] <dark_suic> i'm with kde3.5.1 now in breezy :P
[03:32] <asraniel> hmm, does not work here, it only installs 4 packages with full upgrade. when i manualy select one of the others it wants to remove all kde packages because it would break them
[03:32] <dark_suic> what repo do you have?
[03:32] <asraniel> the one that is in the header of this chanel
[03:33] <dark_suic> one sec :P
[03:33] <dark_suic> you are using dapper?
[03:33] <dark_suic> those packages are for dapper
[03:33] <asraniel> no, as i said breezy, but its written dapper in the title, so i tried it anyway and now it does not work, as expected
[03:33] <asraniel> ah, and is there a rep for breezy?
[03:34] <dark_suic> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[03:34] <dark_suic> this should work, asraniel
[03:35] <dark_suic> or kde-latest instead of kde351
[03:35] <igorayeb> What the lib i had to get to amarok play mp3
[03:36] <LeeJunFan> igorayeb: libmad0
[03:36] <igorayeb> Thanks
[03:36] <asraniel> dark_suic: thanks, works. upgrading now (kde-latest did not work for me, kde351 does)
[03:36] <dark_suic> ok :)
[03:37] <dark_suic> maybe latest is not pointing to kde351 yet?
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> igorayeb: might want to try using the xine engine with amarok too - install libxine and go into engine settings in amarok and change to xine.
[03:37] <dark_suic> igorayeb, you may need the libmad0 lib to make mp3 work...
[03:38] <dark_suic> (and switch to xine engine too, it's way better than gstreamer i think)
[03:40] <leau2001> hi all, bonjour  tous
[03:41] <leau2001> comment connaitre la version de KDE que j'utilise ?
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> wow, dapper got the synaptics drivers right :p
[03:42] <LeeJunFan> although excelleration is way low.
[03:43] <howcomes> getting my ATi driver to work is being a very big pain
[03:43] <dark_suic> leau2001, english please
[03:43] <howcomes> I followed the HOWTO: ATI Drivers v0.2 guide
[03:44] <howcomes> and fglrxinfo still reports MESA
[03:44] <asraniel> dark_suic: he want to know how he can find out which kde version he is using
[03:44] <LeeJunFan> are ati's drivers even updated to compile clean with 2.6.15?
[03:44] <LeeJunFan> usually they are a kernel version behind.
[03:44] <LeeJunFan> ATI sucks.
[03:45] <leau2001> ok sorry
[03:45] <leau2001> just want to know which KDE version on my Kubuntu using ?
[03:47] <Xemanth^> well something has improved, now my ati doesn't cause kernel panic
[03:48] <Xemanth^> i installed newest drivers
[03:48] <Xemanth^> ati drivers
[03:48] <Xemanth^> root@5024wlmi:~# fglrxinfo --version
[03:48] <Xemanth^> fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:48] <LeeJunFan> leau2001: right click on your taskbar, help->about kde
[03:49] <Xemanth^> i have Acer 5024wlmi with PCI Express ATI X700 128mb and kubuntu x64
[03:49] <Xemanth^> i use kernel 2.6.15
[03:49] <dark_suic> leau2001, go to konqueror (for example) and click help -> about kde
[03:50] <leau2001> ok found thx
[03:50] <dark_suic> just that easy :)
[03:50] <leau2001> 3.4.3 version
[03:50] <leau2001> may i change for the 3.5 ? what you think ?
[03:50] <cprompt> Hi folks!
[03:51] <dark_suic> yeah
[03:51] <kkathman> leau2001:  its relatively easy
[03:51] <dark_suic> you can
[03:51] <dark_suic> :)
[03:51] <dark_suic> you know how to add repositories to adept / sources.list?
[03:51] <leau2001> yes i know
[03:52] <cprompt> I did something really stupid. I was trying to remove a version of gcc and I ended up removing something that a few hundred packages were dependent on. I killed adept before it finished, but now I don't have adept or apt-get. I do have dpkg. Could you tell me the name of the package that has apt-get so I can hopefully get that back and use it to reinstall kubuntu-desktop?
[03:52] <dark_suic> well, then just add this repositorie for kde 3.5.1 deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[03:53] <dark_suic> or add this repositorie for kde 3.5.0 deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde350 breezy main
[03:53] <Xemanth^> woot 3.5.1
[03:53] <kkathman> leau2001:  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[03:56] <leau2001> arf  ... error : W: Impossible de localiser la liste des paquets sources http://kubuntu.org breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_packages_kde351_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type)
[03:57] <howcomes> Is there anyway to use DRI Accelerated MESA drivers on Kubuntu ?
[03:58] <Xemanth^> i should crab ati chip from my laptop and throw it out from the window
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> cprompt: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.6.40.1ubuntu9_i386.deb
[04:04] <cprompt> Lee: Thanks!!
[04:04] <LeeJunFan> cprompt: that's breezy right?
[04:04] <LeeJunFan> and not 64 bit.
[04:07] <cprompt> Yup
[04:07] <cprompt> breezy i386
[04:07] <cprompt> i have apt-get now....now I'm googling the manpage to figure out how to get it to install all of kubuntu-desktop's debs. which i hope should fill in all the holes i made.
[04:08] <muzzle> hi all
[04:08] <muzzle> I need to download gcc
[04:08] <muzzle> but how do I do that?
[04:09] <muzzle> I have adept manager open, but when I try to download it I get some error :(
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> cprompt: I imagine kubuntu-desktop should just about get everything back with all the deps it would have.
[04:09] <muzzle> nobody who can help?
[04:10] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: install build-essentials
[04:10] <muzzle> ehm
[04:10] <muzzle> what and how??
[04:10] <cprompt> LeeJunFan: As long as I can get apt-get to do it
[04:10] <muzzle> Shouldn't that adept manager do it? I can chose install for gcc, but some stupid error just comes :(
[04:10] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: open adept for gui installer, or from command line 'sudo apt-get install build-essentials'
[04:11] <muzzle> cool thanks
[04:11] <muzzle> why do I need the sudo first by the way?
[04:11] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: because sudo makes the following command run as root, and you need to be root to install software.
[04:11] <muzzle> and what is build-essentials ?
[04:11] <muzzle> ahh ok
[04:11] <muzzle> It couldn't find that package
[04:12] <muzzle> sudo apt-get install build-essentials <-- is what I wrote
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: sry, build-essential - w/o the s
[04:12] <kkathman> singular
[04:12] <muzzle> k
[04:12] <kkathman> yah
[04:12] <muzzle> cool :D
[04:12] <muzzle> and then what happends?
[04:12] <kkathman> it installs
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: it should download and install.
[04:12] <muzzle> I'm NOTALLY new to linux
[04:12] <muzzle> it is downloading and install
[04:12] <muzzle> but I have no idea what it is
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> gcc and some other packages.
[04:13] <kkathman> then why are you downloading it?
[04:13] <muzzle> because somebody told me to download it....
[04:13] <kkathman> a good rule of thumb....if you dont know what it is...dont use it :)
[04:13] <muzzle> LOL
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> build-essential is what is called a meta package, it installs a bunch of other packages, all gcc,automake,autoconf,patch,make etc...
[04:13] <kkathman> and why did they tell you to do that?
[04:13] <muzzle> Then how would I learn linux kkathman  ?
[04:13] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: it's okay - it was me :P
[04:13] <kkathman> lol you dont need build-essential to learn linux
[04:13] <muzzle> okay thanks LeeJunFan
[04:14] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  yer kidding right?
[04:14] <muzzle> kkathman:  I need gcc
[04:14] <kkathman> why?
[04:14] <muzzle> Why what?
[04:14] <cprompt> LeeJunFan: apt-utils: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.11 but it is not installable    an yet apt-get is working and this is blocking a few dozen packages =] 
[04:14] <kkathman> why do you need gcc
[04:14] <muzzle> to compile c code....
[04:14] <cprompt> muzzle: Do you plan on compiling your own software?
[04:14] <kkathman> and you dont know anything about linux or libraries  yet?
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: try 'sudo apt-get update' to update your catalog of available packages.
[04:15] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: then try again to install build-essential
[04:15] <leau2001> for my self i used Kubuntu on windows xp with VMware workstation...
[04:15] <muzzle> ok LeeJunFan
[04:16] <muzzle> kkathman: I've been making my own software for many years in the win32 lib. What does that have to do with my not knowing linux?
[04:16] <muzzle> in 30 years I might not  now Mac and so what? I really don't understand what you are trying to say?
[04:16] <kkathman> okie dokie smokie..go for it
[04:17] <kkathman> lo
[04:17] <kkathman> lol
[04:17] <muzzle> Is kkathman some kind of bot?
[04:17] <kkathman> yah thats me.. a bot
[04:17] <muzzle> :p
[04:17] <kkathman> bot
[04:17] <kkathman> bot
[04:17] <kkathman> bot
[04:17] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: you'll have a lot of reading to do on kde/qt devel before gcc will be a lot of use to you though.
[04:17] <kkathman> !botsnack
[04:17] <ubotu> :)
[04:17] <kkathman> he's the bot
[04:18] <muzzle> LeeJunFan: We are getting this c thing at the university. They want us to use linux so well yes. It's not really up to me.
[04:18] <muzzle> I just got this mail about what I should have ready etc.
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: ah, that makes sense I guess.
[04:19] <cprompt> muzzle: Good luck =] 
[04:19] <cprompt> LeeJunFan: It's working! Thanks!
[04:19] <muzzle> cprompt: Thanks :D
[04:19] <LeeJunFan> cprompt: good deal. your welcome.
[04:20] <kkathman> muzzle:  I would 2nd LeeJunFan in that you need to become intimately familiar with the libraries, the QT dev environment, and the KDE internals.  Bad things happen if you dont know those :) hehe
[04:21] <cprompt> kkathman: He's going to school for this, he'll be fine =] 
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: depending on what type of apps you'll be building, I doubt they'll start you off in a GUI environment like KDE anyway. Probably just need the basic c libs and stuff which are standard among all systems.
[04:21] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  yah I think so too :)
[04:22] <muzzle> LeeJunFan: correct
[04:22] <muzzle> it's all about the basis
[04:22] <muzzle> Many students have no idea what programming is, so we start with the basics
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> yep, everyone starts with "hello world"
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> :p
[04:23] <kkathman> rofl
[04:23] <muzzle> Well
[04:24] <muzzle> The hello world has a history behind it
[04:24] <kkathman> programming is pretty much a dead profession in the US now
[04:24] <muzzle> really?
[04:24] <kkathman> yes
[04:24] <muzzle> On on earth can that be?
[04:24] <kkathman> economics my man
[04:24] <muzzle> You mean there are to many on it?
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> yeah, unless you get in the elite group of game programmers that make a big hit, you have about as much chance as being the first quadroplegic in the NFL.
[04:24] <kkathman> right
[04:25] <muzzle> It's where the big money are in Denmark.
[04:25] <kkathman> if you know compiler theory and want to do that, its not bad
[04:25] <kkathman> but  the world's programming is going to Asia and India
[04:25] <muzzle> Not just as a little coder, but as a leader of course :D
[04:25] <Traumkiste> kkathman: who is programming for money?
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> Well, programming does have a few niche markets. Making special programs for industry to use in house.
[04:25] <muzzle> I'm getting my 5 years university degree in CS
[04:25] <kkathman> good luck muzzle :)
[04:26] <muzzle> hehe
[04:26] <kkathman> networking and security is the hot field now
[04:26] <muzzle> why luck though?
[04:26] <muzzle> School is easy.
[04:26] <kkathman> at least here
[04:26] <muzzle> Networking is only getting bigger.
[04:26] <kkathman> most companies outsource their development now
[04:26] <kkathman> lower costs
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> seems like the best bet for getting programming employment would be with some type of industry that designs their own stuff and needs special little programs to formulate or run machinery.
[04:26] <kkathman> IT is still a company's #1 expense
[04:27] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: automata
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> yeah, which means write software for something which you will have no competition.
[04:27] <kkathman> and....job security is ZERO
[04:28] <kkathman> hehe not a long term gig if ya know what I mean
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> but then with real programmers it's not about the money. Just like with artists.
[04:29] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  cant feed the wife and kids with that tho
[04:29] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: no you cant. Which is why I don't program much any more.
[04:29] <kkathman> hehe
[04:29] <kkathman> I do it on the side and its a nice little bit of income
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: but I always have my eyes open for an opportunity to program something. I just don't have time to give to an open source free software project.
[04:30] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  nor I  but I understand your feeling on it :)
[04:30] <kkathman> its that "creation" feeling :)
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> And even then practical use doesn't call for C for my projects, usually python or php along with mysql is all I ever need for what anyone asks for.
[04:30] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: exactly.
[04:31] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  yah me too...most all of my work is PHP/XML MySQL a little python here or there
[04:31] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: and never perl :p
[04:31] <mivecz> DOes anyone know  i try to install kubuntu desktop  what version of kde i take
[04:31] <kkathman> My days of C are way over - its not a progressive language any more
[04:32] <kkathman> mivecz: it will come with KDE 3.4.3
[04:32] <muzzle> LeeJunFan: It's compiling fine, so thanks again :D
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: np.
[04:32] <mivecz>  can i  update it to  3.5
[04:32] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: and good luck to you.
[04:32] <kkathman> mivecz: yes
[04:33] <mivecz> how:)
[04:33] <muzzle> thanks again, hehe
[04:33] <reon> Help, I'm looking for a thread I lost that explains how to get the Plantronics DSP headset volume controls to work...
[04:33] <kkathman> mivecz:  install first, then you'll add a specific repository and do an update and a dist-upgrade
[04:33] <kkathman> mivecz:  This tells how:  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[04:35] <mivecz> with  3.4.3 kde  can i install themes  from previews  version?
[04:35] <muzzle> I have one last question. I need emacs.
[04:36] <muzzle> How? hehe
[04:36] <muzzle> I tried sudo apt-get isntall emacs
[04:36] <muzzle> and I did the update of catalog
[04:38] <dark_suic> muzzle, sudo apt-get install emacs21
[04:39] <kkathman> or emacs21-nox
[04:39] <kkathman> if you are at the CLI
[04:39] <muzzle> CLI?
[04:39] <kkathman> muzzle:  to look for packages, type    apt-cache search  <search string>   CLI = Command LIne Interface
[04:39] <muzzle> emacs21 didn't work either no
[04:39] <muzzle> ahh ok
[04:39] <kkathman> emacs21-nox
[04:40] <kkathman> muzzle:  Im just assuming you are doing all your work at the CLI with no X
[04:41] <muzzle> with not X?
[04:41] <muzzle> I'm doing it in the console windows
[04:41] <kkathman> thats fairly typical of most Universities course  otherwise they have to get you to download some bit IDE
[04:41] <muzzle> didn't know there where serveal cml
[04:41] <muzzle> cli ;)
[04:41] <kkathman> muzzle: yeah in a term window is ok to...thats cli
[04:41] <muzzle> yes yes
[04:41] <dark_suic> well, i'm doing c at university and we use gedit (the ones who use gnome) and kate the rest...
[04:42] <kkathman> dark_suic: thats nice
[04:42] <kkathman> much better than emacs :)
[04:42] <dark_suic> i do love kate :P
[04:42] <muzzle> I thought Emacs was the best
[04:42] <kkathman> sounds like muzzle is being given his environment tho
[04:42] <muzzle> ;)
[04:42] <muzzle> We can use what ever
[04:42] <dark_suic> (and for CLI use vim XD)
[04:42] <kkathman> dark_suic: kate IS great :)
[04:42] <LeeJunFan> kate is the shiat.
[04:42] <muzzle> But I just thought Emacs was the way to go?
[04:43] <kkathman> emacs is pretty much old school...Unix....but it works
[04:43] <kkathman> kinda defeats the purpose of installing and using X tho
[04:43] <muzzle> k
[04:44] <muzzle> But I would still like to download it. Just to have it. But I can't find it
[04:44] <muzzle> I did the search but wasn't good either.
[04:44] <mivecz> with  3.4.3 kde  can i install themes  from previews  version??
[04:45] <dark_suic> it's in universe repos, muzzle, you have to uncomment them in your repo list
[04:45] <dark_suic> you should, mivecz
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell mivecz about repos
[04:45] <LeeJunFan> mivecz: you should be able to setup your sources file to include universe and then download xemacs and emacs
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> mivecz: sry - wrong person.
[04:46] <muzzle> dark_suic: ehm ok
[04:46] <dark_suic> LeeJunFan, i think you are trying to talk to muzzle  :P
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell muzzle about repos
[04:46] <muzzle> thanks
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> muzzle: you should be able to setup your sources file to include universe and then download xemacs and emacs
[04:46] <LeeJunFan> hehe
[04:46] <mivecz> :P
[04:46] <mivecz> so
[04:47] <mivecz> so can i?
[04:48] <mivecz> thnks
[04:49] <muzzle> LeeJunFan: It's no problem to have my sources file to include universe? Since it's not on as standard?
[04:49] <dark_suic> mivecz, don't know for sure, but trying shouldn't hurt...
[04:49] <dark_suic> it isn't muzzle
[04:49] <muzzle> ok
[04:50] <mivecz> ok
[04:52] <muzzle> Where are those resource files?
[04:53] <howcomes> libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:53] <howcomes> :( i think i broke it more
[04:53] <muzzle> I guess I can modify them manually. Can't do it as in the tutorial-kinda link you sent :(
[04:55] <muzzle> maybe no
[04:55] <muzzle> not
[04:56] <Xemanth^^> howcomes: x64 kubuntu ?
[04:57] <howcomes> x86 kubuntu
[04:57] <Xemanth^^> howcomes: locate libGL.so.1 ?
[04:58] <howcomes> /usr/lib/i686/mmx/cmov/libGL.so.1.2
[04:58] <howcomes> /usr/lib/i686/mmx/cmov/libGL.so.1
[04:58] <howcomes> /usr/lib/FGL.renamed.libGL.so.1.2
[04:58] <howcomes> /usr/X11R6/lib/FGL.renamed.libGL.so.1.2
[04:58] <howcomes> /usr/X11R6/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa
[04:59] <Xemanth^^> aha, ati :D i have same issue, i think...
[04:59] <Xemanth^^> but with x64
[04:59] <howcomes> glxinfo gives the same error
[04:59] <howcomes> i was trying to get DRI enabled
[04:59] <howcomes> and i think it all just blew up in my face
[04:59] <Xemanth^^> i was trying to get 3d working
[05:00] <Xemanth^^> well ati......*censored words*
[05:00] <casey> what is this?
[05:00] <howcomes> well...what do i do now ?
[05:01] <casey> boy am i out of my eague it seems
[05:01] <casey> so confused
[05:03] <casey> i'm new to this and need help
[05:06] <howcomes> brb - testing something
[05:06] <casey> anyone willing to help the noob?
[05:06] <mserms> what's up casey?
[05:06] <casey> yes someone answers!!!
[05:07] <^rob^> hello
[05:07] <^rob^> anyone here use apt-move and apt-ftparchive ??
[05:07] <casey> i new to the whole linux thing and was wondering  how to get it to play DVD video
[05:08] <mserms> casey - what have you just installed ubuntu or kubuntu? Know what version it was?
[05:08] <casey> kubuntu 5.04
[05:08] <casey> gui in 5.10 wouldnt load for some reason
[05:09] <mserms> OK - there's probably kaffeine or KMplayer in there. They will play the DVDs but you will need to install something to decode them first.
[05:09] <^rob^> casey: better use mplayer or ogle
[05:09] <casey> kaffeine is loaded
[05:10] <^rob^> kaffeine use lot of memmory and crashes often.
[05:10] <casey> as is the one that looks like Winamp
[05:10] <casey> so how do i go about installing a DVD decoder?
[05:10] <mserms> I find KMplayer better too
[05:10] <aeon17x> Kaffeine isn't that bad...
[05:11] <mserms> What errors are you getting from the program when you try to play it?
[05:11] <Riddell> kkathman: you want to be a kubuntu developer?
[05:11] <casey> one sec
[05:13] <casey> says player incompatible with the region markings on the disc
[05:14] <casey> also said something about mising a WIN32 compatibe decoder
[05:15] <mserms> Cool, all sorts of stuff going on. There is a utility called regionset which allows you to set the region of your DVD drive (although you are only able to change it a handful of times - hardware restriction I think).
[05:16] <mserms> You can install it by typing (at the command line): sudo apt-get install regionset
[05:16] <casey> the region coding on my dvd drive is region free and the disc is region 1
[05:17] <mserms> Are you getting the same errors with diff DVDs?
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> I think you'll have to download and install libdvdcss from source.
[05:18] <dark_suic> LeeJunFan, kubuntu has libdvdcss in repos, don't it?
[05:19] <LeeJunFan> I think so but I think it's neutered or something, I've never had any luck playing protected dvd's with it.
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> dapper doesn't have it in repos. maybe I'm thinking dvdread - which IS in the repos.
[05:21] <howcomes> i think i completely broke fglrx
[05:22] <howcomes> glxinfo , fglrxinfo both dont work
[05:22] <damnhil> I have problems going to sleep mode for my thinkpad T30. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it fails to wake up. Do you have any ideas?
[05:22] <howcomes> and its complaining about missing shared libraries
[05:22] <howcomes> oh plus it doesnt boot
[05:23] <damnhil> howcomes: what does not boot?
[05:23] <howcomes> Any idea why Kubuntu would be freezing at: Checking Battery Status on boot - when im not on a laptop
[05:23] <howcomes> linux
[05:23] <damnhil> howcomes: I don't have Checking Battery Status. where did you get it?
[05:24] <howcomes> you know when it goes thru the list
[05:24] <howcomes> and it says [ok] 
[05:24] <howcomes> there
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> it's in /etc/init.d/acpi-support.
[05:26] <howcomes> k
[05:26] <howcomes> how do i disable it ?
[05:29] <LeeJunFan> howcomes: I have no idea why that would just start happening. you'll have to boot into recovery then remove the acpi-support entry link in /etc/rc2.d/
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> howcomes: have you tried actually powering off your system - cold start?
[05:30] <howcomes> dont think so
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> I'd give that a try just in case it's something in the ACPI/bios that's confusing it.
[05:32] <xatalinux> hello
[05:33] <casey> kaffeine says it doesn't have the plugins to play DVD video
[05:33] <xatalinux> i will like to add KDE desktop to ubuntu ....can some one to hellp me /
[05:34] <LeeJunFan> casey: you need to install libdvdcss to play protected DVD's.
[05:35] <casey> how would i go about doing that. im new to linux and dont really know how to do anything
[05:36] <Tm_T> xatalinux: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:36] <dark_suic> casey, adept is your friend :)
[05:36] <xatalinux> k
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell casey about libdvdcss
[05:36] <xatalinux> thank you
[05:36] <dark_suic> try k-menu -> system -> package manager
[05:36] <meple> hm is anyone aware of a bug that makes KDE change your timezone randomely ?
[05:37] <meple> I have it set for Europe stockholm but so far today it changed to: Moscow , Los Angeles and Kairo
[05:37] <casey> ok i am in kynaptic. what section would the protected dvd library be under?
[05:37] <meple> any ideas?
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> casey: it's not in the repos, check the link ubotu sent you.
[05:38] <xatalinux> for the desktop say's
[05:38] <trappist> ooh there's a kynaptic?
[05:38] <xatalinux> Unable to lock the list directory
[05:38] <xatalinux> what i can do?
[05:41] <brosioz> exists codecs divx6 to ripping for linux ?
[05:41] <trappist> brosioz: not 6, that I know of
[05:41] <trappist> unless it's in w32codecs
[05:44] <sweet_kate> hello: how can i write under linux a floppy that i need for windows?
[05:44] <trappist> sweet_kate: just mount it and copy the files over
[05:45] <sweet_kate> you say?
[05:45] <dark_suic> yes, you can
[05:46] <evil-doer> i thought id give quake 3 a try just to see how it runs, surprisingly it runs very smooth even on this old junker, but i have no mouse control.   the mouse is a logitech ps/2 mouse. any ideas?
[05:46] <xatalinux> i will like to install KDE desktop in ubuntu ....can someone help me ?i'm very new in linux...
[05:47] <xatalinux> thank you very much
[05:48] <dark_suic> evil-doer, i've had the same problem
[05:48] <dark_suic> a friend of mine solved the problem, although i don't know how
[05:48] <dark_suic> but he told me
[05:48] <dark_suic> that it works better under cedega than with the native linux version
[05:49] <Howcomes> Alrite, i give up for today - currently booted into Windows :P
[05:50] <xatalinux> i can install KDE desktop from syneptic?
[05:50] <xatalinux> or not/
[05:50] <xatalinux> ?
[05:50] <dark_suic> xatalinux,
[05:50] <dark_suic> look for the package
[05:50] <dark_suic> kubuntu-desktop
[05:51] <Howcomes> now Kubuntu is saying fsck encounter something odd run manually, and to mount first, then says running fsck on a mounted drive is certain death....ok then
[05:51] <dark_suic> it should install all kde-desktop you need to make it work
[05:51] <xatalinux> were i can run this comand?
[05:51] <Stele> i just upgraded my kubuntu and rebooted - I get the "X" desktop but not the kdm desktop
[05:51] <sweet_kate> what is my floppy dir? /media/floppy??
[05:51] <casey> ok i downloaded the .deb files for libdvdcss how do i install them now?
[05:52] <Stele> how can I fix this?
[05:52] <eightiesk> i have a problem could someone help me?
[05:52] <eightiesk> i updated gaim yesterday
[05:52] <dark_suic> ask for the problem, eightiesk don't ask if we can help you :P
[05:52] <eightiesk> then it erased gunifications.
[05:53] <eightiesk> soi i typed in sudo apt-get gunifications
[05:53] <eightiesk> and it goe the old gaim 2.
[05:53] <eightiesk> this is my 5th day in linux...
[05:53] <eightiesk> i'm kinda puzzled and scared
[05:53] <eightiesk> lol
[05:53] <dark_suic> if installing a package removes another, is common that if you try to install the another it will uninstall the first :P
[05:53] <casey> im on day 1 so dont feel too bad
[05:53] <jpatrick> eightiesk: use the source.....
[05:53] <dark_suic> they will probalby be uncompatible
[05:56] <Stele> i think i have a conflict between the kubuntu nv driver, and the NVIDIA one from their site
[05:56] <Stele> how can I uninstall BOTH of them and "start over" with the nvidia one?
[05:56] <eightiesk> jpatrick, how do you install from source?
[05:56] <dark_suic> Stele, you shouldn't need to uninstall both and then install the another
[05:56] <dark_suic> is all configurable :P
[05:57] <jpatrick> eightiesk: depends on what you're trying to install
[05:57] <Stele> er, ok :)
[05:57] <Stele> my kdm desktop still wont start after a reboot
[05:57] <dark_suic> Stele, let's see
[05:57] <eightiesk> k
[05:57] <dark_suic> what nvidia do you have?
[05:57] <Stele> i have a Quadro FX 3400 - the same thing as a GFORCE 6800 Ultra
[05:57] <eightiesk> my nividia i had to use vesa
[05:58] <Stele> my X is stuck on right now and I can't kill it to rerun the NV installer
[05:58] <Stele> i want to try reinstalling the nvidia one but I need to kill the X server first
[05:58] <Stele> im logged in remotely but I cant kill it
[05:58] <hussam> I found this http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ . I'm thinking of upgrading from kde 3.4.3 to kde 3.5.1 .
[05:58] <dark_suic> stele, hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 and write sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:58] <hussam> anybody's tried that?
[05:58] <eightiesk> ne one know any custom res.
[05:58] <dark_suic> hussam, i'm at kde3.5.1
[05:58] <jpatrick> hussam: not officially support until release
[05:59] <jpatrick> hussam: i guess
[05:59] <Stele> dark_suic - Ctrl+Alt+F1 no worky
[05:59] <Stele> the display is hung
[05:59] <DjDarkPingvin> Stele: have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[05:59] <dark_suic> yeah, i've seen that kde-latest still points to kde3.5.0
[05:59] <Stele> er, no
[05:59] <eightiesk> cntrl+alt+F2
[05:59] <dark_suic> Stele, if that doesn't work... you'll probably have to hit the reset button :P
[05:59] <jpatrick> dark_suic: because 3.5.1 isn't released yet
[05:59] <hussam> dark_suic: from the same repository?
[05:59] <dark_suic> i know, jpatrick
[05:59] <dark_suic> hussam, yeah, i have that kde3.5.1
[06:00] <dark_suic> with no problems for the moment
[06:00] <dark_suic> i updated 2 days ago and no problem for the moment
[06:00] <dark_suic> i know, jpatrick :) but well, is almost almost almost here :P
[06:00] <aeon17x> What is the name of the KDE character map?
[06:01] <hussam> dark_suic: cool then I'll upgrade from 3.4.3 to 3.5.1
[06:01] <eXistenZ> where can I updated to 3.5 from
[06:01] <Stele> im logged in remoteluy
[06:02] <Stele> no matter what i try i cant seem to kill the X server
[06:02] <Stele> what if I enter a different run level?
[06:02] <Stele> (not sure which one)
[06:02] <dark_suic> eXistenZ, deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ breezy main
[06:03] <dark_suic> Stele, try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[06:03] <dark_suic> from where you can write anything
[06:03] <Stele> i tried that
[06:03] <Stele> it claims kdm is not running
[06:03] <dark_suic> then try /etc/init.d/kdm start
[06:03] <dark_suic> and see what error gives
[06:04] <Stele> kdm already running
[06:04] <Stele> but when i view the other machine, it is stuck at a corrupted X background
[06:04] <Stele> i can move the cursor - but no KDM
[06:05] <Stele> and I can't ALT+CTRL+F key out of it
[06:05] <dark_suic> i would try hitting the reset button
[06:05] <dark_suic> it seems that it has locked itself somehow
[06:05] <Stele> but it will just reboot back into the same situation
[06:05] <Stele> i need to get it not to start up X
[06:05] <dark_suic> ok
[06:05] <dark_suic> then you could
[06:06] <Stele> "kdm stop" says "kdm not responding to TERM signal"
[06:06] <dark_suic> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf somehow
[06:06] <Stele> ok
[06:07] <dark_suic> look for Section "Device" and there you'll find a section Driver "nv" or "nvidia" turn it into vesa, save and reboot
[06:07] <Stele> roger that
[06:09] <Stele> ok i got a console login prompt and no kdm
[06:09] <Stele> prob because i told it my monitor ONLY supports 1920x1200 (LCD)
[06:09] <Stele> i am going to try reinstalling the nvidia driver
[06:10] <Stele> but shouldnt i UNINSTALL the current nv package?
[06:11] <Stele> crap - it is still messed up
[06:11] <Stele> kdm DID start, though I cant see it
[06:11] <hussam> dark_suic: upgrading to kde 3.5.1 wants to install hspell , do I need that?
[06:11] <Stele> and i cant kill it
[06:11] <Stele> :-(
[06:12] <dark_suic> Stele, it will be because of the monitor... you shouldn't try to uninstall the nv package... just try installing the nvidia one, it should just work
[06:12] <dark_suic> if you have the nvidia-installer install it that way
[06:12] <nite_w0lf> what reositories doe Kubuntu use?
[06:13] <nite_w0lf> rpositories*
[06:13] <dark_suic> else, you could try the repository's drivers
[06:13] <jpatrick> nite_w0lf: Ubuntu-s
[06:13] <dark_suic> nite_w0lf, same as ubuntu
[06:13] <c0rrupt`> does anyone know how to use a physical disk in vmware and boot to a windows partitio that is already installed while in linux.. im getting an error when setting /dev/hdc as the harddisk
[06:13] <Stele> ok i put the list of monitor modes back, removed "glx" from the modules list, and rebooted again
[06:13] <Stele> this stuff was supposed to be easy :(
[06:14] <Stele> surely i could just go to a differnent runlevel instead of rebooting all the time?
[06:14] <c0rrupt`> hdc2 is my windows partition, and im setting wmare to use it only
[06:14] <nite_w0lf> can packages be downloaded from KDE and installed/converted or do they have to be compiled
[06:15] <Stele> yay i got a desktop (with vesa driver)
[06:15] <c0rrupt`> Unable to complete wizard: The specified device is not a valid physical disk device.
[06:15] <jpatrick> nite_w0lf: Kubuntu makes extra KDE packages
[06:15] <c0rrupt`> anyone good w/ wmare
[06:15] <c0rrupt`> vmware
[06:15] <Stele> ok i shut down kdm cleanly now
[06:15] <seashell11> ok, in kde 3.4 is there any way to make it so that the wireless networking will automatically switch from my home to work?
[06:15] <nite_w0lf> very good jpatrick. thank you
[06:15] <trappist> c0rrupt`: you're going to be sad if you let vmware use a real windows partition
[06:16] <Stele> running nv installer again
[06:17] <Stele> woohoo!
[06:17] <c0rrupt`> whys that
[06:17] <Stele> working!
[06:17] <Stele> now - how do i make sure the proper driver loads when i reboot?
[06:17] <c0rrupt`> i run linux off of physical when in windows all the time
[06:17] <casey> how do i install stuff not in Kynaptic? i'm new and don't know how to do anything
[06:17] <Stele> this is what happened last time - it messed up when i rebooted
[06:17] <trappist> c0rrupt`: windows will say woah, wtf is all this new hardware, and where did all my old hardware go?  then if you want to actually boot to windows it'll flip the hell out, in my experience
[06:17] <c0rrupt`> oh ic
[06:17] <c0rrupt`> thanks for the advice
[06:17] <trappist> c0rrupt`: linux is a lot more adaptable to hardware changes
[06:18] <trappist> c0rrupt`: you can put a hdd with linux on it in a whole new box and expect it to work most of the time.  not so with windows.
[06:18] <Stele> IS there a way to move a HD from a windows box to another?
[06:18] <c0rrupt`> trappist, is there a working ntfs driver for linux 2.6 kernel?
[06:18] <Stele> such as if i upgrade my motherboard to a dual core?
[06:18] <trappist> c0rrupt`: define 'working'
[06:18] <c0rrupt`> works with 2.6
[06:18] <c0rrupt`> CAN write to ntfs
[06:19] <dark_suic> good it works Stele  :)
[06:19] <ccc_> casey: best is if you find a deb-package, install it with: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[06:19] <trappist> c0rrupt`: google for 'captive ntfs'
[06:19] <Stele> thanks dark_suic
[06:19] <c0rrupt`> yea but isnt that only for 2.4...
[06:19] <Stele> i should have tried the vesa trick before
[06:19] <dark_suic> what you mean with the hd moving?
[06:19] <c0rrupt`> they stoped developing captive ntfs and its not compatiable w/ 2.6
[06:19] <dark_suic> vesa is the generic driver, it works with (almost) every gcard
[06:20] <c0rrupt`> i think i might of saw some kernel hacks to get it working though.. ;\
[06:20] <casey> i have the .deb file just not sure how to install it. ive never used linux so im used to good ole Install Shield or at worst a DOS command prompt
[06:20] <trappist> c0rrupt`: I don't think so
[06:20] <eightiesk> any one know any custom repositories?
[06:20] <jpatrick> !sources
[06:20] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:21] <eightiesk> whats dapper?
[06:21] <jpatrick> next Kubuntu release
[06:21] <Niekie> In development version.
[06:21] <eightiesk> !easysource
[06:21] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:21] <ccc_> casey: just use the command i gave you, it will install it.
[06:22] <eightiesk> no thanks on the dev.
[06:22] <eightiesk> ne one like to blog?
[06:22] <jpatrick> eightiesk: I do sometimes
[06:23] <eightiesk> my friend has made a blogging system would u rate it for me?
[06:23] <eightiesk> http://eightieskhild.codewise.org
[06:23] <eightiesk> i like it personally.
[06:27] <eightiesk> jpatrick, did u like it at all?
[06:27] <jpatrick> eightiesk: it's okay :)
[06:28] <eightiesk> whats diffrent in dapper
[06:28] <eightiesk>  nething?
[06:28] <jpatrick> loads of things
[06:28] <eightiesk> like?>
[06:28] <jpatrick> ...
[06:28] <jpatrick> new KDE, etc.
[06:29] <jjesse> for the release notes for dapper: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes-web/C/
[06:30] <eightiesk> jpatrick, nice...
[06:30] <jpatrick> jjesse: it says "This document contains the release notes for Kubuntu Kubuntu Dapper Drake 6.04"
[06:30] <jjesse> jpatrick: nice catch i'll change it right now
[06:32] <jjesse> jpatrick: commited change
[06:32] <jpatrick> jjesse: :)
[06:33] <jpatrick> jjesse: can we i18n that in Rosetta?
[06:33] <eightiesk> jpatrick, i'm lead skin designer for my blog i sent its all custom is has its own project on gna https://gna.org/projects/codewiseblog
[06:33] <jjesse> jpatrick: i don't think the kubuntu docs are uploaded to roseta yet
[06:33] <jjesse> checking though
[06:36] <jpatrick> eightiesk: right
[06:36] <eightiesk> huh?
[06:36] <jpatrick> nm
[06:37] <eightiesk> k
[06:38] <jpatrick> jjesse: I can't see them in the Spanish section
[06:38] <jjesse> docs won't get uploaded into rosetta for a while, i heard that none of dapper is in rosetta???
[06:41] <nikita> hi guys =) I have a question about text encoding. i can browse cyrilic web pages in konq o.k., but whenever i try to copy the text from it to the open-office writer i get strange characters instead of cyrillic letters. is there a possible way to fix that?
[06:42] <dark_suic> nikita, do you have any cyrilic font for openoffice? it may be the problem...
[06:43] <evil-doer> hmm. changed the mouse protocol in xorg.conf to "MouseManPlusPS/2" and still no worky in q3
[06:43] <sampan> nikita, after pasting the text in OOo, have you tried selecting and changing the font to a cyrillic one?  might just be that OOo is interpretting it as your default font instead.
[06:43] <eightiesk> can someone give me there source.list
[06:43] <eightiesk> ?
[06:43] <sampan> happens to me with chinese sometimes
[06:43] <nikita> samopan: i wish i could know how to manage the fonts, how do I install a cyrillic one?
[06:44] <eightiesk> please could someone post there source.list on paste bin.
[06:44] <jjesse> !sources
[06:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:44] <eightiesk> i know
[06:44] <eightiesk> it messed it up.
[06:44] <nat> is it possible to uncompress manualy a pkg.gz  ?
[06:44] <sampan> nikita, i'd think ubuntu already has cyrillic fonts installed -- at least mine does.  just try going into the font selector in OOo and changing it?
[06:45] <sampan> errr, well maybe it doesn't :/
[06:46] <sampan> not entirely sure actually -- but KDE has a very easy to use font installer in system-settings
[06:46] <nikita> sampan: i'll try, thanks
[06:46] <eightiesk> ne1 got a deb file for gaimbeta2?
[06:46] <nikita> dark_suic: hope i'll be able to figure that out now, thanks
[06:47] <eightiesk> one other thing how do i hide the old linux kernels from the boot menu?
[06:48] <jpatrick>  /boot/grub/menu.lst I think
[06:48] <dark_suic> eightiesk, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment the blocks you don't want
[06:49] <jpatrick> eightiesk: I don't like Gaim, Kopete == way better
[06:51] <dark_suic> i agree with jpatrick
[06:51] <eightiesk> ive used gaim since its release.
[06:51] <eightiesk> ive always used it
[06:51] <eightiesk> i'm comfderbale with it
[06:51] <dark_suic> well, i used windows for 10 years and was comfortable with it :P
[06:51] <dark_suic> until i discovered linux :P
[06:51] <eightiesk> lol
[06:52] <dark_suic> :)
[06:52] <eightiesk> well i make stuff for gaim and i like to use the skinsd and smileys ive made
[06:52] <eightiesk> lol
[06:52] <dark_suic> kopete will probably support that things :)
[06:52] <dark_suic> you may just try it :)
[06:53] <eightiesk> can i make the buddy list look at all like gaim?
[06:53] <eightiesk> cuz when i tryed it wouldn't even let me move my folders around.
[06:54] <dark_suic> well, it isn't exactly like gaim, but if it were it would be gaim :P
[06:55] <dark_suic> but you can edit almost everything
[06:55] <eightiesk> lol
[06:55] <eightiesk> i can't move my folders.
[06:55] <jpatrick> A -> Z
[06:55] <visik7> kubuntu from scratch is quite better than install ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop
[06:56] <dark_suic> yep, i think so, visik7
[06:56] <dark_suic> eightiesk, you can't move your folders by drag & drop
[06:56] <inacio> i dah ubuntu and i whant to install a KDE what i do
[06:57] <dark_suic> inacio, install kubuntu-desktop
[06:57] <eightiesk> then how?
[06:57] <scot``> hi all, anyone know repository that has lame 3.96 or comparable version?
[06:57] <inacio> dark_suic, but it is a pakage
[06:57] <dark_suic> yeah, it is
[06:57] <inacio> dark_suic, i can direct a mirror to download
[06:57] <dark_suic> is a package that will install kde
[06:57] <dark_suic> ????
[06:57] <dark_suic> open the synaptic program
[06:58] <dark_suic> and there search for kubuntu-desktop
[06:58] <dark_suic> and click on install
[06:58] <dark_suic> you won't need to download it manually
[06:58] <dark_suic> eightiesk, i don't exactly know, but i think you can move users between groups
[06:59] <inacio> dark_suic, he send a message sayng: i'm cant execute whithout root
[06:59] <dark_suic> well have to do some housework
[06:59] <eightiesk> yeah but i need the folders in a order
[06:59] <eightiesk> :-p
[07:00] <dark_suic> inacio, it should be on the menu
[07:00] <dark_suic> try looking over the menu
[07:00] <Traum> Traumkiste, you here?
[07:00] <Traumkiste> no
[07:00] <dark_suic> eightiesk, don't know exactly what you want to do, but well, if you look around for a sec you'll probably find how to
[07:01] <dark_suic> back in 20 min
[07:02] <inacio> dark_suic, here had a KDE 3.4 i can install the 3.5
[07:02] <inacio> tou can tellme a mirror
[07:03] <inacio> to input in apt
[07:03] <scot``> i found what i needed thank you
[07:03] <scot``> have a good day all
[07:04] <inacio> anyone know the mirror of the KDE 3.5 to put in the apt repository
[07:05] <reon> Help, My sound works in xmms but not mplayer or totem, any ideas where I set it to use my usb headset ?
[07:08] <visik7> inacio: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[07:08] <inacio> visik7, thanks
[07:18] <Aji-Dahaka> are there kssh packages anywhere?
[07:19] <JakubS_> what package contains xserver-xorg.m4 ?
[07:20] <JakubS_> it is needed to recompile xorg drivers
[07:21] <sweet_kate> i know i am completely OT..but i have win 2000 that cant boot anymore!!! i tried to repair it by installation cd but i haven't the erd(Emergency recovery disk)
[07:22] <sweet_kate> what can i do?
[07:22] <Aji-Dahaka> why can't it boot?
[07:22] <dark_suic> i'm back
[07:25] <eXistenZ> any good multimedia repos. for kubuntu
[07:26] <Aji-Dahaka> any good repos with kssh for kubuntu?
[07:26] <dark_suic> what you call good repos?
[07:26] <dark_suic> kssh i don't know, i use common ssh or putty for gui
[07:27] <Aji-Dahaka> putty in kubuntu?
[07:27] <dark_suic> in linux i use ssh in konsole, no gui
[07:27] <Aji-Dahaka> ah, I see
[07:27] <hussam> sweet_kate: what error do you get when you try to boot to win2000
[07:27] <dark_suic> but kde has a "remote control" option
[07:27] <Aji-Dahaka> I like kssh, it keeps a list and does things for me like fort-forwarding :)
[07:28] <aftertaf> !info kssh
[07:28] <JakubS_> kssh is certainly useful if you have several servers with different options/keys needed for each one
[07:28] <dark_suic> oh, Aji-Dahaka putty IS in kubuntu repos
[07:28] <Aji-Dahaka> huh?  really ... didn't know it was ported to linux :)
[07:28] <aftertaf> !putty
[07:28] <ubotu> rumour has it, putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[07:28] <dark_suic> yeah, it is :)
[07:29] <JakubS_> it is, but i prefer konsole as terminal
[07:29] <dark_suic> it's in universe repos, Aji-Dahaka
[07:29] <Aji-Dahaka> I like konsole for terminal as well, but would be willing to use putty maybe instead of kssh
[07:29] <Aji-Dahaka> hmm :(  but I already have my configs for kssh
[07:29] <Aji-Dahaka> maybe I'll isnstall it manually
[07:30] <Aji-Dahaka> way to lazy to set up another client with 40ish servers :p
[07:38] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, win32-codecs ...
[07:39] <EightiesK> !sources
[07:39] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:39] <Aji-Dahaka> EightiesK: that's for me, huh :)
[07:39] <Aji-Dahaka> *blush*
[07:39] <EightiesK> i updated my sources.list to update  dapper and now kde won't start.
[07:40] <EightiesK> :-(
[07:41] <reon> Anybody here know where to configure a default sound device if you have teo ?
[07:42] <EightiesK> ne1 know a linux emulator for Windows?
[07:43] <Aji-Dahaka> !w32codecs
[07:43] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[07:43] <Aji-Dahaka> useful little bot
[07:44] <Aji-Dahaka> EightiesK: there's a userland linux for windows ... sym something?
[07:44] <EightiesK> i dunno
[07:44] <JakubS_> cygwin
[07:44] <EightiesK> i can't get my kubuntu to load.
[07:45] <JakubS_> it is not exactly emulator - you need to recompile stuff
[07:45] <reon> EightiesK, Why do you want a emulator ?
[07:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:47] <dark_suic> hi
[07:47] <EightiesK> for kopete on windows.
[07:47] <EightiesK> i do have a question other than that.
[07:48] <EightiesK> does ne 1 here think Debian is worht the $10 it will cost my in dvdrs to burn and try?
[07:48] <EightiesK> like your opinion.
[07:48] <reon> EightiesK, tried game for windows /
[07:48] <reon> ?
[07:48] <EightiesK> ive had gaim since the first release i think it was .4
[07:48] <reon> EightiesK, ment gaim
[07:49] <dark_suic> EightiesK, if you're installing debian, just burn the first CD
[07:49] <reon> ok
[07:49] <EightiesK> k
[07:49] <dark_suic> the rest of the cds/dvds is just additional packages that you can download with apt-get
[07:49] <EightiesK> but do you like it better that kubuntu?
[07:49] <EightiesK> reon, ive had gaim since its first public release.
[07:51] <dark_suic> EightiesK, kubuntu is still a bit ... needs more developement
[07:51] <Aji-Dahaka> I prefer kubuntu
[07:51] <Aji-Dahaka> but to each his/her own
[07:51] <Aji-Dahaka> (used debian much longer)
[07:51] <dark_suic> debian is... quite good, but for actual hardware you need sid, and for sid you have better kubuntu
[07:52] <dark_suic> but for servers, i do prefer debian
[07:52] <Aji-Dahaka> some here
[07:52] <vge> for network conf, i dont prefer kubuntu :)
[07:52] <dark_suic> and kubuntu for clients / desk pcs
[07:52] <dark_suic> the same, vge :P
[07:52] <dark_suic> i have debian in a laptop due to kubuntu's imposibility to make lan (and wired, not wlan) work
[07:53] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, I have kubuntu on this laptop working great with wired and wireless
[07:53] <kkathman> dark_suic: hmmm dont understand...I have Kubuntu working fine on my network...in fact 3 boxes worth :)
[07:53] <vge> what laptop :)
[07:53] <EightiesK> ive had fc4 ubuntu kubuntu winspire suse  mandrake and slackware in the last 6 days.
[07:54] <kkathman> Mines a Thinkpad
[07:54] <EightiesK> lol
[07:54] <Aji-Dahaka> vge: thinkpad R series
[07:54] <EightiesK> i'm a linux newbie
[07:54] <EightiesK> i'm trying to try it all
[07:54] <Aji-Dahaka> EightiesK: tried gentoo yet?
[07:54] <EightiesK> no link?
[07:54] <Aji-Dahaka> gentoo.org
[07:54] <dark_suic> kkathman, i have an acer laptop, impossible to get net working by dhcp (and windows & debian work ok)
[07:55] <EightiesK> uhhh
[07:55] <EightiesK> me and acer had a falling out
[07:55] <Aji-Dahaka> huh, porr dark_suic :(
[07:55] <kkathman> wonder why so different on Acer?
[07:55] <dark_suic> lol... EightiesK that's maybe too much for just 6 days
[07:55] <EightiesK> with the service department
[07:55] <EightiesK> they still have my tower.
[07:55] <dark_suic> you can't try it properly in 6 days (although mandriva in 5 minutes is known to be shit :P)
[07:55] <kkathman> gosh my Lappy came up without me having to touch anything
[07:55] <Aji-Dahaka> same here ... things just work
[07:55] <dark_suic> kkathman, have a Broadcom ethernet
[07:56] <LeeJunFan> dark_suic: haha, mandriva.
[07:56] <EightiesK> SUSE i couldn't get x server to start.
[07:56] <dark_suic> i'm waiting for dapper to be released to see
[07:56] <Aji-Dahaka> kkathman: btw, you get the kmilo thing working right?
[07:56] <kkathman> Uhmm dont think that was me Aji-Dahaka
[07:56] <EightiesK> i can't get kubuntu to work
[07:56] <dark_suic> mandriva sucks in just 5 minutes (when grub/lilo doesn't load or when usb just doesn't work :P)
[07:56] <LeeJunFan> mandrake was okay for a long time, but they went way wierd in the last few years. I used them for years and when I found kubuntu I was removing mandrake from my system 1 hour later, after abotu 6 years of use.
[07:56] <kkathman> EightiesK: what didnt work
[07:57] <EightiesK> i changed sources.list to get dapper and when i rebooted.
[07:57] <Aji-Dahaka> kkathman: no, was a more general question.  It constantly tells me to chmod /dev/nvram
[07:57] <EightiesK> when it goes to xserver it freezes
[07:57] <Aji-Dahaka> kkathman: was wondering what the general solution was, as you are a thinkpad user as well
[07:57] <EightiesK> and i have to sestart.
[07:57] <EightiesK> reboot/restart.
[07:58] <LeeJunFan> one moderately important showstopper with dapper I just learned is cups1.2 and kde don't mix. :(
[07:58] <kkathman> Aji-Dahaka: like I said I never touched a thing...it just worked
[07:58] <Aji-Dahaka> oh
[07:58] <EightiesK> so i'm in windows and i'm dling debian and dapper
[07:58] <kkathman> unfortunately my lappy is a company one, and mostly windows :(
[07:58] <reon> !sound
[07:58] <EightiesK> im try debian for a min
[07:58] <ubotu> it has been said that sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[07:58] <EightiesK> then
[07:58] <EightiesK> dapper.
[07:58] <Aji-Dahaka> so when you touch the volume buttons, you get the on-screen indicator that you changed volume?
[07:59] <kkathman> EightiesK:  try kubuntu, but dont go to dapper..it will work
[07:59] <EightiesK> is there a channel ne 1 knows for debian?
[07:59] <kkathman> dapper isnt a released product
[07:59] <Aji-Dahaka> #debian ?
[07:59] <kkathman> its in development
[07:59] <EightiesK> i know.
[07:59] <kkathman> thats prolly the reason it didnt work
[07:59] <kkathman> hehe
[08:01] <EightiesK> no i think cuz i used adept to update.
[08:01] <Aji-Dahaka> you shouldn't use dapper
[08:01] <Aji-Dahaka> it's definitely some broken
[08:03] <kkathman> Aji-Dahaka: it kinda waivers between stable and downright uh oh
[08:03] <Aji-Dahaka> :)
[08:03] <Aji-Dahaka> it's fun :)
[08:03] <EightiesK> !source
[08:03] <ubotu> from memory, source is to compile a source package, you first need to 'apt-get build-essential'. Some source packages have other dependencies, such as KDE or Gnome development libraries also. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompileSoftware
[08:04] <EightiesK> !sources
[08:04] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:04] <tmr> ls
[08:04] <EightiesK> ne 1 know ne Repositories not listed there?
[08:04] <Aji-Dahaka> excellent ... as per usual, just worked
[08:04] <Aji-Dahaka> anime time!
[08:05] <kkathman> EightiesK: what are you trying to do?
[08:05] <EightiesK> get more auto installed programs
[08:05] <EightiesK> lol
[08:06] <kkathman> EightiesK:  what are you looking for specifically?
[08:06] <kkathman> there are like 17,000 in the standard repos dude
[08:06] <EightiesK> games and media stuff
[08:06] <kkathman> thats not enough?
[08:06] <EightiesK> and like plugins
[08:06] <kkathman> easy to find them in the repos
[08:06] <EightiesK> how?
[08:06] <kkathman> apt-cache search
[08:07] <kkathman> apt-cache search game
[08:07] <kkathman> apt-cache search plugin
[08:07] <dark_suic> :P
[08:08] <kkathman> EightiesK:  Unlike SUSE, and others, (k)ubuntu uses very static repos for stability. Its not a good idea to add other repos unless a) you are absolutely sure they'll work, or b) Kubuntu makes an announcement
[08:09] <EightiesK> k
[08:09] <EightiesK> how do i make my media players actually work
[08:09] <kkathman> EightiesK: which media player?
[08:10] <kkathman> typically I'd suggest you download and install the xine engine for your players
[08:10] <kkathman> i.e. for kaffeine,  install kaffeine-xine and choose to use that engine in the app
[08:10] <kkathman> same for amarok
[08:11] <EightiesK> i dunno
[08:12] <EightiesK> what media player should i use?
[08:12] <kkathman> try them all out :)
[08:12] <vge> just install vlc player and all work
[08:12] <kkathman> see which one you like
[08:12] <vge> vlc or mplayer if you ask me
[08:12] <kkathman> Im not a good resource to ask about media...I dont run any on my linboxes
[08:13] <boz> Hi everybody.  I have question that will that will sound more like a gripe than a question , but here goes....lol.  I have an above average mastery of computers and programming languages (i was writing source for the C64 25 years ago, and spent hours upon hours punching those boxcar tickets for assembler ; ) )  Why is it so damn hard to master this OS?  Is it just because I have been Conditioned to be a drooling idiot by the Redmond Clan?? I me
[08:13] <boz> an it shouldn't take DAYS to install a usuable OS.  All I want to do is set up a linux based streaming server for an internet radio station)  I can NOT for the life of me get Icecast up and running.  After throwing in the Towel last night at about 5 am I finally managed to get Shoutcast up and running. Should i just stick with shoutcast or does anyone have any helpful tips to get Icecast Streaming???? (sorry for the Rant, but i'm beginning to g
[08:13] <boz> et a little wide eyed   O.O  Thanks for being here for me,  You guys have been a TRemendous Help!
[08:13] <kkathman> boz NO!  please dont flood!
[08:13] <vge> its a LOTR+1000 pages
[08:13] <kkathman> hehe
[08:13] <boz> sorry K
[08:14] <boz> that was a little longer than i intended
[08:15] <enfact> kubuntu's repos are good for basing new distros on :)
[08:15] <enfact> ;P
[08:16] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: I wrote an icecast + musicpd howto for freebsd ... maybe it could help?
[08:16] <apacheLAGger> anyone got a build system with kde and ubuntu (breezy)?
[08:17] <boz> link me up I'm desperate!
[08:18] <boz> im not familar with musicpd but i'll f=give er a shot
[08:18] <dark_suic> (i bet i will never understand people installing ubuntu and then kde instead of kubuntu directly...)
[08:18] <boz> I made the same mistake dark ; )
[08:18] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: freebsdwiki.net/ is the site
[08:18] <Aji-Dahaka> boz my netwerork i bs being a bit ... iffy
[08:19] <Aji-Dahaka> ah!
[08:19] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Icecast_and_Muscipd seems right
[08:19] <boz> Iffy i don't need.  Took me forever to get a vimicro webcam working (and not very well) lol
[08:20] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: oh, the iffy is just the wireless I'm on currently
[08:20] <Aji-Dahaka> :p
[08:20] <boz> thanks aji, i'll check it out
[08:20] <Aji-Dahaka> but yeah, that solution works great for what I needed
[08:21] <enfact> hhey kkathman
[08:22] <kkathman> hiya enfact :)
[08:23] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: the musicpd bit lets you choose which music will be playing (set up a playlist, manage the files in a database thing) so you can change which client lets them select music by changing the musicpd client and the icecast streams in my case in ogg over the network, though my collection is actually flac, ogg, and mp3
[08:23] <Aji-Dahaka> (I'm inconsistent when I rip)
[08:23] <Aji-Dahaka> more anime!
[08:23] <kkathman> what anima?
[08:23] <kkathman> anime?
[08:23] <Aji-Dahaka> japanese animation
[08:23] <boz> thats exactly what i'm looking for mp3 and ogg compatible
[08:23] <Aji-Dahaka> (listening practise)
[08:24] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: hope that helps
[08:24] <Aji-Dahaka> boz: any questions, just message me:)  I'll be in and out
[08:24] <boz> Thanks Aji
[08:27] <boz> My Idea is to stream the Superbowl (which would prolly give the NFL attorneys a fit) at work, but i'm running out of time : )
[08:59] <dutchie> hi all ...
[09:00] <dutchie> I'm comfortable with the Printer Configuration program but ... is there a way to create a "printer shortcut" icon on the desktop that would allow quick access to things like "start/stop printer" ?
[09:00] <dutchie> tee-hee .... it's for my dad
[09:01] <Blissex> dutchie: yes.
[09:01] <humberto> hi
[09:01] <dutchie> Blissex: great, how do I go about doing that ?
[09:01] <Blissex> dutchie: you can put a ''shortcut'' to the printer control KDE thingie on the desktop.
[09:02] <dutchie> hm, kinda tried that before ... mustn't have been very good at it
[09:02] <Blissex> dutchie: actually I have it on my panel/Kicker bar at the bottom. Probably easiest
[09:02] <dutchie> right ... hmmmm
[09:02] <dutchie> not sure how to make that appear
[09:02] <Blissex> dutchie: right click on the panel/Kicker, and select the "Print System" icon.
[09:03] <Blissex> dutchie: right click on the panel/Kicker, select "Panel menu", then "Add applet", and select the "Print System" icon.
[09:03] <dutchie> gotcha
[09:04] <dutchie> thanks a lot !
[09:19] <humberto> \join #Boiro
[09:29] <yellowdart> anyone here have an opinion on kdevelop for SDL projects?
[09:29] <yellowdart> or should i stick with emacs and make :)
[09:30] <OSPirate> I just installed kubuntu for the first time
[09:30] <OSPirate> is there like a default Root password?
[09:30] <hussam> anybody here's on dapper?
[09:30] <OSPirate> because it never asked me for a root password while installing it
[09:30] <OSPirate> and I'm quite confused
[09:30] <yellowdart> OSPirate: no, the root password is disabled by default...just 'sudo command'
[09:31] <leafw> what is the package that holds the qdeveloper, or kdeveloper, or whatever name it has?
[09:31] <dark_suic> leafw, kdevelop3
[09:31] <leafw> aparently qt3-designer didn't install it
[09:31] <OSPirate> yellowdart, how can I set a root password?
[09:31] <dark_suic> OSPirate, it isn't recomended to set a root pass
[09:31] <OSPirate> fair enough
[09:31] <dark_suic> OSPirate, it's way better to do it via sudo
[09:31] <OSPirate> thats just how I've always done it
[09:31] <yellowdart> OSPirate: well, you really dont need to...it's a security issue, because you can do any root tasks using sudo
[09:32] <OSPirate> thats the thing
[09:32] <OSPirate> I don't want my regular user
[09:32] <OSPirate> to have root privalages
[09:32] <OSPirate> as simply as typing sudo
[09:32] <yellowdart> who is your regular user??
[09:32] <OSPirate> me
[09:32] <yellowdart> why dont you want the ability for root privs?
[09:32] <OSPirate> but I mean who I log in as
[09:33] <OSPirate> security issue
[09:33] <OSPirate> I want to leave my regular user logged in
[09:33] <OSPirate> but have to log in as root for serious administration stuff
[09:33] <yellowdart> any other users that you create are not part of the admin group..and cannot use sudo
[09:33] <OSPirate> oh I see how they do it
[09:33] <OSPirate> most distro's create a root password, and a limited user account for primary use
[09:33] <OSPirate> during the installation
[09:34] <OSPirate> thanks people
[09:34] <yellowdart> yeah, they do it like osx where there is an admin...which uses sudo
[09:34] <kkathman> yellowdart:  unless you change the sudoers of course :)
[09:35] <yellowdart> kkathman: hehe...'sudo visudo' takes care of that
[09:35] <kkathman> yah :)
[09:38] <yellowdart> i'm debating whether i should install (k,x)ubuntu-desktop on my lappy here..i'm sitting at a server install
[09:39] <kkathman> if its a server, why?... but honestly I have xubuntu on my 128mb server here at home
[09:39] <yellowdart> kkathman: no, i installed with 'server' option :)
[09:40] <yellowdart> it's a laptop.. mainly for web dev...and i have dual-boot with xp
[09:40] <kkathman> ahh ok
[09:40] <yellowdart> i just dont think that i want the bulk of kubuntu
[09:41] <yellowdart> it's a pIII 800mhz 512mb
[09:41] <yellowdart> and very limited drive space
[09:41] <yellowdart> something like 9GB
[09:45] <E-Train> Anyone know how to turn off/on a network interface card?
[09:47] <CellarDoor> hello all, sorry to be a pain but where is my hda1 supposed to be mounted ? Its just that its not showing up in system:/media when I click on 'storage media'.
[09:48] <kkathman> CellarDoor:  its mounted whereever its mount point is
[09:48] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: what is hda1 on your system??
[09:49] <kkathman> CellarDoor: sudo fdisk -l  and check the addr
[09:49] <CellarDoor> my hard drive
[09:49] <kkathman> then look in your fstab
[09:49] <CellarDoor> sorry I'm a bit of a n00b still
[09:49] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: 'cat /etc/fdisk | grep hda
[09:49] <yellowdart> oops...without the '
[09:49] <yellowdart> does anything appear?
[09:49] <kkathman> and  after that....  sudo cat /etc/fstab    and look where the mount point is
[09:50] <CellarDoor> just a sec
[09:50] <yellowdart> kkathman: :)
[09:50] <kkathman> lol we just firehosed him :)
[09:50] <kkathman> hehe
[09:50] <yellowdart> kkathman: hehe...sorry, been working with a win 98 boot disk all day
[09:51] <kkathman> hey...win98 boot disk has saved MANY a win machine in my lifetime :)
[09:51] <kkathman> no matter WHAT the os was on the machine at the time :)
[09:51] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: do what kkathman says :)
[09:51] <CellarDoor> ok this is what I have first up
[09:51] <CellarDoor>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:51] <CellarDoor> /dev/hda1   *           1        4677    37567971   83  Linux
[09:51] <CellarDoor> /dev/hda2            4678        4865     1510110    5  Extended
[09:51] <CellarDoor> /dev/hda5            4678        4865     1510078+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[09:51] <yellowdart> kkathman: i know what you mean...saved me a few times today
[09:52] <kkathman> CellarDoor:  thats a typical thing
[09:52] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: ok..tdoes your system boot to grub?
[09:52] <kkathman> I'll bet your mountpoint will be /
[09:53] <CellarDoor> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[09:53] <CellarDoor> #
[09:53] <CellarDoor> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[09:53] <CellarDoor> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[09:53] <CellarDoor> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[09:53] <CellarDoor> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[09:53] <CellarDoor> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[09:53] <kkathman> yep thought so
[09:53] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: yeah, it's probably / (ie: your entire filesystem)
[09:53] <kkathman> CellarDoor:  is your system not able to boot?
[09:54] <CellarDoor> yes, its not a major problem, its just that my hard drive doesnt show up in my 'storage media' menu like it used to
[09:54] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: you are probably thinking in windows terms...linux doesnt show things like 'C:' or 'D:' ...even your cd is at /media/cdrom0
[09:55] <kkathman> My hda isnt in my media either
[09:55] <kkathman> its no big deal
[09:55] <yellowdart> '/' is your entire filesystem
[09:55] <Aji-Dahaka> could someone please tell me what "echo $KDEROOTHOME " prints for them?
[09:55] <kkathman> yellowdart is right
[09:55] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka: nothing
[09:55] <kkathman> Aji-Dahaka:  same as $HOME
[09:55] <CellarDoor> its just that it used to show up and I was just trying to get it back the way it was - it used to show anything that was mounted in there
[09:56] <gamma> roothome prints blank for me
[09:56] <Aji-Dahaka> kkathman: alright.  thanks ... for some reason my kde is being funny
[09:56] <gamma> home prints the correct dir
[09:56] <kkathman> CellarDoor: you can make it that way...but I would leave it alone
[09:56] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: you can have it show on the desktop if you want
[09:56] <Aji-Dahaka> it's just putting the files in ~ instead of ~/.kde
[09:57] <CellarDoor> ah its not that important
[09:57] <kkathman> funny Aji-Dahaka now it reports nothing
[09:57] <kkathman> hehe
[09:57] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: right-click -> configure desktop -> behavior -> device icons (tab)
[09:57] <CellarDoor> yeah I dont want icons cluttering up my desktop
[09:59] <Aji-Dahaka> wonder why it would put everything in ~/ ...
[09:59] <Aji-Dahaka> hmm ...
[09:59] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: just saying your options...what i would do is 'add applet' to the panel...'quick file browser'
[09:59] <yellowdart> that's personally my favorite 'gui' method of browsing the filesystem
[10:00] <Aji-Dahaka> it sohuldn't be the same as $HOME, I don't think ...
[10:00] <Aji-Dahaka> kdehome=$HOME/.kde
[10:00] <Aji-Dahaka> test -n "$KDEHOME" && kdehome=`echo "$KDEHOME"|sed "s,^~/,$HOME/,"`
[10:01] <CellarDoor> It was just nice having it show up in system:/media when I click on the 'storage media' menu, thats all... I'm sure it was originally like that and I unwittingly changed it somehow
[10:01] <Knowerrors> Heard KDE 3.5.1 is being released tomorrow, already moving into debian unstable
[10:02] <dark_suic> don't know, i already have it on breezy...
[10:02] <kkathman> Knowerrors: yah been waiting for final go at Kubuntu.orgf
[10:02] <Aji-Dahaka> root@Festering:~# konsole --version
[10:02] <Aji-Dahaka> Qt: 3.3.5
[10:02] <Aji-Dahaka> KDE: 3.5.1
[10:02] <yellowdart> CellarDoor: personally i've never seen that...maybe you inadvertently made it happen
[10:02] <Aji-Dahaka> already here
[10:02] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka: 3.5.1 on dapper or on breezy?
[10:02] <Aji-Dahaka> dapper
[10:03] <Aji-Dahaka> but dark_suic has it on breezy
[10:03] <gamma> oh.. dapper is buggy for me
[10:03] <Aji-Dahaka> me, too
[10:03] <gamma> does adept crash every second for you?
[10:03] <Aji-Dahaka> constantly
[10:03] <CellarDoor> yellowdart: meh its not a big deal
[10:03] <gamma> yea they should work on that :D
[10:03] <Aji-Dahaka> have to restart it after every operation I do
[10:04] <Aji-Dahaka> and currently my kde is creating all the files in ~/ instead of ~/.kde :)
[10:04] <gamma> i spent a day on dapper, and half the time stuff was crashing or hard locking, so i just went back to breezy
[10:04] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka: :D!
[10:04] <gamma> that stinks
[10:04] <Aji-Dahaka> it was doing this for me in breezy, too, though
[10:04] <Aji-Dahaka> not sure what's with it
[10:04] <gamma> did you import your config from somewhere else?
[10:05] <Knowerrors> dark_suic: what repo you get it from?
[10:05] <Aji-Dahaka> gamma: nope
[10:05] <Aji-Dahaka> well, trying to now, but it was doing this before I did
[10:05] <gamma> very weird
[10:05] <Aji-Dahaka> yeah
[10:05] <dark_suic> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ breezy main
[10:05] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka: what i did was rm -fr ~/.* and rm /tmp/ksocket-* and some other thing in /tmp
[10:06] <Aji-Dahaka> gamma: that did it for you?
[10:06] <Aji-Dahaka> gamma: you had this same problem?
[10:06] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka: no, i was having problems where konqueror and other stuff would complain it couldnt find alsasink and other gstreamer stuff
[10:06] <gamma> that was the only thing that fixed it
[10:06] <Aji-Dahaka> ah
[10:06] <Aji-Dahaka> I'll try that
[10:06] <gamma> i'm guessing one of your paths is borked
[10:07] <gamma> dark_suic: thanks for the link
[10:07] <hussam> anybody running kubuntu dapper? Is it usable?
[10:07] <gamma> hussam: adept is extremely broken and i had issues with kernel modules (nvidia and ndiswrapper)
[10:08] <gamma> stuff crashes too
[10:09] <hussam> you're running it now?
[10:09] <gamma> you're better off staying at breezy for another month or so
[10:09] <gamma> hussam: no.. after a day of trying to fix it, i gave up and went back to breezy
[10:09] <hussam> ok
[10:09] <gamma> Aji-Dahaka is on it now though
[10:09] <gamma> he can tell you his experiences ;)
[10:09] <Aji-Dahaka> hussam: it's pretty unusable :)
[10:09] <Aji-Dahaka> you'd be impressed
[10:10] <gamma> when devs say things are broken i usually ignore that because it's little bugs
[10:10] <Aji-Dahaka> I tend towards unstable OSen because they are more fun, but this one is leading the pack for my currently installed ones :)
[10:10] <hussam> nividia driver does not work?
[10:10] <gamma> in this case, they're serious :D
[10:10] <trispace> does somebody know about a bug in bogofilter where bogofilter always sets the same spamicity on every message?
[10:10] <Aji-Dahaka> I've got radeon so I can't speak for nvidia
[10:10] <CellarDoor> I'm sticking with breezy at least until I have backed up the goodies on my hard drive that I don't want to lose. :P
[10:10] <gamma> hussam: it wouldn't let me install it with the 686 kernel, it said it'd break the system
[10:11] <gamma> is it possible to convert to dapper when it's released?
[10:11] <Chousuke> gamma: yes.
[10:11] <fatejudger> hussam: the nvidia driver works great
[10:11] <Chousuke> gamma: You just need to edit a few lines in /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[10:12] <gamma> fatejudger: 686 kernel?
[10:12] <Chousuke> and run two command
[10:12] <_chris> is anyone running dapper? I'm going to upgrade from breezy tonight
[10:12] <Chousuke> +s
[10:12] <hussam> gamma: I upgraded from hoary to breezy when breezy was released
[10:12] <fatejudger> hussam: dunno about that, I used my FX 5200 on my intel
[10:12] <hussam> fatejudger: I have a FX 5200 as well.
[10:12] <gamma> Chousuke: oh.. ok cool :D
[10:12] <gamma> Chousuke: do they generally release a guide on what to edit?
[10:13] <Chousuke> gamma: it's the same every time
[10:13] <Chousuke> gamma: just change "breezy" to "dapper" this time
[10:13] <hussam> fatejudger: you on dapper, right?
[10:13] <Zeusz> hello all
[10:13] <Chousuke> every occurrence of it, that is
[10:13] <gamma> Chousuke: so i could technically do that now if i wanted to instead of "installing" dapper?
[10:13] <_chris> Chousuke, would you recommend a clean install or a dist upgrade?
[10:14] <Zeusz> I'm trying to compile konversation from sorce
[10:14] <Zeusz> done the configure ing
[10:14] <Zeusz> when i type make
[10:14] <Zeusz> i get the following error
[10:14] <Zeusz> NONE:0: /usr/bin/m4: `m4_symbols' from frozen file not found in builtin table!
[10:14] <Zeusz> autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
[10:14] <Zeusz> aclocal-1.9: autom4te failed with exit status: 1
[10:14] <Zeusz> make: *** [aclocal.m4]  Error 1
[10:14] <Chousuke> gamma: yep
[10:14] <Chousuke> _chris: an upgrade should work
[10:14] <Zeusz> could you help ?
[10:15] <yellowdart> anybody know the vga modes for grub to do 1600x1200 @ 16bpp
[10:15] <gamma> i'll switch once people tell me things are working well for them
[10:15] <gamma> Zeusz: can't help you on that one
[10:15] <gamma> seems more of a bug with the compile tools than the source code
[10:17] <gamma> brb
[10:17] <Aji-Dahaka> Zeusz: might want to ask in #kde or #kde-devel
[10:17] <Aji-Dahaka> (they're smarttt there)
[10:19] <Zeusz> k
[10:21] <fatejudger> KDE apps seem to open new windows instead of tabs in Dapper, does anyone know about this?
[10:22] <Aji-Dahaka> kde apps?
[10:22] <dark_suic> fatejudger, it's usually configurable
[10:22] <hussam> fatejudger: you mean pages on konqueror?
[10:22] <fatejudger> Konq, Kopete
[10:23] <fatejudger> every KDE app that can use windows or tab
[10:23] <fatejudger> *tabs
[10:23] <Aji-Dahaka> should be set on an app-by-app basis, not sure why they would all change ...
[10:23] <fatejudger> well how would you change it in Konq?
[10:23] <Aji-Dahaka> settings ...
[10:24] <fatejudger> no shit
[10:24] <fatejudger> there's about 20,000 of them in there
[10:24] <Aji-Dahaka> look through them all :p
[10:24] <fatejudger> I could barely find that obscure aRTS option in the plugin section
[10:24] <Aji-Dahaka> I don't have it open right now, but it's in the *think*
[10:24] <Aji-Dahaka> section talking about how you want tabs to be handled one of the top 5 pages, I think
[10:25] <hussam> fatejudger: konq settings> web behavior
[10:25] <Aji-Dahaka> thanks, hussam
[10:25] <hussam> fatejudger: konq settings> web behavior > tabbed browsing
[10:25] <fatejudger> it's already enabled
[10:25] <hussam> fatejudger: is k3b working in dapper?
[10:25] <fatejudger> hold on sec
[10:25] <fatejudger> do you want me to burn a cd or something?
[10:25] <hussam> no
[10:26] <fatejudger> it runs, lets put it that way
[10:26] <fatejudger> new icons too
[10:26] <fatejudger> pretty nice
[10:26] <hussam> sorry, I assumed you tried that already.
[10:26] <hussam> ok cool
[10:27] <Aji-Dahaka> haha!
[10:27] <fatejudger> I'm sure it burns cds
[10:27] <fatejudger> I don't know why it wouldn't
[10:27] <hussam> so basically besides that tab thing, it is stable?
[10:27] <Aji-Dahaka> setting KDEROOTHOME worked perfectly
[10:27] <fatejudger> I'm working on the tab thing
[10:27] <fatejudger> I think I might have figured it out
[10:28] <fatejudger> aha!
[10:28] <fatejudger> it's in the advanced options button in that same window
[10:28] <fatejudger> they fixed that stupid cloned workgroup thing in KDE 3.5.1
[10:29] <fatejudger> but I still can't get SVG wallpapers to work
[10:29] <hussam> fatejudger: what about kernel and X. is it all working properly?
[10:29] <fatejudger> yep, and I have a 1920x1200 rez
[10:29] <fatejudger> so if that works...
[10:29] <hussam> fatejudger: If so, I'm gonna upgrade as well
[10:29] <fatejudger> I had the opportunity to try my new monitor on Windows XP first
[10:30] <fatejudger> and the rendering performance on Linux is far superior
[10:30] <Aji-Dahaka> this katapult thing ... great stuff!
[10:31] <hussam> fatejudger: the 2.6.15 kernel is good?
[10:31] <Aji-Dahaka> not particularly, but it's a 2.6 kernel
[10:31] <Aji-Dahaka> they're working in it
[10:31] <Aji-Dahaka> on*
[10:31] <fatejudger> hussam: I haven't had any problems with it
[10:31] <trappist> yeah <3 katapult
[10:31] <fatejudger> I basically installed Dapper expecting oodles of bugs
[10:31] <trappist> now if only it wouldn't up-scale small icons into ugliness
[10:31] <fatejudger> but I wanted the latest packages and features
[10:32] <fatejudger> I've had very few problems
[10:32] <Aji-Dahaka> not sure if I like katapult as well as baghira's launcher, but it's gotta be close
[10:32] <fatejudger> and most have to do with KDE customization
[10:32] <Aji-Dahaka> fatejudger: having the adept constantly crashing thing?
[10:32] <fatejudger> oh geez, yeah, Adept is REALLY flaky
[10:32] <Aji-Dahaka> :)
[10:32] <fatejudger> they fixed the apt update thing
[10:32] <fatejudger> but you still can't do a full upgrade
[10:33] <fatejudger> I use apt in the CLI, so I didn't notice it for awhile
[10:33] <hussam> so basically what porblems will I face if I upgrade now? just adept?
[10:33] <fatejudger> hussam: let me check Adept again, see if they haven't done an update
[10:33] <Aji-Dahaka> it's still bad on my 10-minute old one
[10:33] <fatejudger> lol
[10:34] <hussam> will I have to reconfigure X?
[10:34] <fatejudger> shit, they're always updating these packages
[10:34] <fatejudger> you have to update like every day
[10:34] <Aji-Dahaka> hussam: for the cool new features !
[10:34] <trappist> Aji-Dahaka: baghira's?
[10:34] <Aji-Dahaka> hooray for EXA
[10:34] <Aji-Dahaka> trappist: yeah, baghira's launcher thing for kicker
[10:34] <trappist> hrm
[10:34] <trappist> is there an ubuntu package?
[10:35] <Aji-Dahaka> there is for baghira itself
[10:35] <Aji-Dahaka> yup, it's in there
[10:35] <hussam> Aji-Dahaka: to reconfigure x, I run dpkg-reconfigure what?
[10:35] <Aji-Dahaka> I just edited it
[10:35] <trappist> Aji-Dahaka: what repo? I no gotty
[10:37] <hussam> Aji-Dahaka: a  'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' should do?
[10:37] <Aji-Dahaka> no idea
[10:37] <hussam> fatejudger: did you have to reconfigure x when upgrading from breezy to dapper?
[10:37] <Aji-Dahaka> trappist: universe, it appears
[10:38] <fatejudger> is there a way to configure file associations in the "System Settings" yet?
[10:38] <trappist> Aji-Dahaka: I guess you're in dapper?  I don't have it in breezy
[10:38] <Aji-Dahaka> ah, yeah I am
[10:38] <fatejudger> hussam: I did a fresh install from the Dapper Flight 3 cd
[10:38] <fatejudger> hussam: I didn't want any problems
[10:38] <hussam> oh
[10:38] <trappist> Aji-Dahaka: I have a dapper deb-src, I'll just dpkg-buildpackage it
[10:38] <fatejudger> hussam: it takes me 10 minutes to backup everything anyway
[10:38] <fatejudger> hussam: so it was worth it
[10:39] <hussam> fatejudger: I'll try to dist-upgrade, if it does not work, I'll download a daily CD and install it
[10:40] <Aji-Dahaka> it worked fine here
[10:40] <Aji-Dahaka> I even used adept for it
[10:40] <fatejudger> hussam: they're doing daily cds now?
[10:40] <hussam> fatejudger: yes
[10:40] <fatejudger> eh, I dunno how much I'd trust that
[10:40] <hussam> Aji-Dahaka: did you trry the upgrade method?
[10:40] <fatejudger> official releases are always more stable
[10:42] <Aji-Dahaka> hussam: yeah, I just clicked on it ... worked great
[10:43] <Aji-Dahaka> ooh, kmail crash :)
[10:43] <fatejudger> Dapper?
[10:43] <Aji-Dahaka> yup
[10:43] <Aji-Dahaka> (go figure ... a crash :) )
[10:43] <fatejudger> I can't seem to stop Kontact from loading that stupid KAlarm daemon
[10:44] <fatejudger> I have Kontact open right now and haven't had any crashes
[10:44] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, I use it so I don't want it not loading
[10:44] <Aji-Dahaka> I was just expiring 40k messages or so from one of my folders and off it went :(
[10:44] <Aji-Dahaka> oh well
[10:44] <fatejudger> I would use it, but I'm too lazy to hotsync my Palm Pilot
[10:45] <Aji-Dahaka> off on my morning walk, almost 07:00
[10:45] <Aji-Dahaka> see ya guys
[10:46] <fatejudger> ohh, I should test to see how CDs load
[10:46] <fatejudger> in Breezy they autoload twice
[10:46] <fatejudger> I can't stand it too, because KDE and the kernel will mount the cd
[10:47] <fatejudger> and then perform an action
[10:47] <gamma> oh katapult is sweet
[10:47] <Aji-Dahaka> yup
[10:47] <fatejudger> yeah, I use it pretty often
[10:47] <fatejudger> nice, no more double loading of CDs
[10:48] <trappist> Aji-Dahaka: baghira looks more like a theme than a launcher
[10:48] <Aji-Dahaka> trappist: it's a theme with a launcher
[10:48] <trappist> oh...
[10:49] <fatejudger> lol, the kde media options daemon just crashed
[10:49] <trappist> ooh I like it
[10:49] <Aji-Dahaka> isn't it sweet?  that launcher is catchy :)
[10:49] <Aji-Dahaka> and the top is most recently used
[10:49] <trappist> well, still haven't figured the launcher out, but I dig the theme
[10:50] <Aji-Dahaka> oh
[10:50] <Aji-Dahaka> the theme was ... okay
[10:50] <Aji-Dahaka> I prefer crystal myself but ...
[10:50] <Aji-Dahaka> the launcher is a panel applet
[10:50] <trappist> yeah I just get a style selector, configure, quit and close
[10:50] <trappist> from the panel applet
[10:51] <trappist> oh there it is
[10:51] <fatejudger> well this is stupid, you can't add options in the KDE media notifications anymore
[10:51] <Aji-Dahaka> anyways I'm out
[10:51] <fatejudger> or it crashes
[10:51] <trappist> holy hell that's a beefy launcher
[10:54] <Aji-Dahaka> isn't it great?
[10:54] <trappist> don't know yet, it's gonna take a while to get my head around it
[11:06] <gamma> anyone here having problems with flash pages displaying in konqueror?
[11:06] <gamma> right click brings up the flash menu, but the pictures don't display
[11:08] <fatejudger> gamma: Dapper?
[11:09] <gamma> nah breezy
[11:09] <gamma> no idea whats happening either
[11:09] <fatejudger> let me go to a flash website
[11:09] <gamma> nspluginviewer: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program
[11:09] <fatejudger> flash works great
[11:09] <gamma> X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
[11:10] <gamma> and a bunch of those msgs
[11:10] <fatejudger> are you sure the plugin is there?
[11:10] <fatejudger> the way I installed the flash plugin was by getting Firefox
[11:10] <fatejudger> downloading it through there
[11:10] <fatejudger> and then installing it
[11:11] <fatejudger> then I scanned for plugins in Konq
[11:12] <gamma> it worked for me before i reinstalled :/
[11:12] <fatejudger> well how did you installed the flash plugin?
[11:12] <fatejudger> *install
[11:12] <gamma> i've tried it via the install on their website and via apt-get
[11:13] <fatejudger> don't do it via apt-get
[11:13] <gamma> and the java plugin doesn't want to be found by konq either
[11:13] <fatejudger> just download firefox
[11:13] <fatejudger> install it that way
[11:13] <fatejudger> then scan for plugins
[11:14] <gamma> can you install java that way too?
[11:14] <fatejudger> that could be because you have the GNU Java set as default
[11:14] <fatejudger> no
[11:14] <fatejudger> you'll probably want to get the proprietary Java
[11:14] <fatejudger> and set that as default
[11:14] <fatejudger> !java
[11:14] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:14] <gamma> nah i'm using sun, and i ln -sed the file to .mozilla/plugins
[11:14] <gamma> libjavaplugin_oji.so or whatever
[11:14] <fatejudger> it isn't that hard
[11:15] <fatejudger> !javadebs
[11:18] <dbglt> what java installation would you all suggest?
[11:18] <dbglt> in terms of speed, stability, etc.
[11:22] <gamma> i use sun
[11:22] <nikita> !cronyx
[11:22] <ubotu> nikita: I give up, what is it?
[11:22] <gamma> straight from the horses mouth
[11:24] <fatejudger> java just plain sucks in Linux
[11:24] <Red_Herring> not at all
[11:24] <Red_Herring> its MUCH better than on windows
[11:24] <Red_Herring> you just need to install it right
[11:24] <fatejudger> are you kidding me?
[11:24] <Red_Herring> no
[11:24] <fatejudger> install it right?
[11:24] <Red_Herring> yeah
[11:24] <Red_Herring> blackdown sucks
[11:24] <fatejudger> tell me, what exactly is the right way to install it
[11:24] <Red_Herring> sorry to admit it
[11:24] <Red_Herring> !java
[11:24] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:24] <fatejudger> so that you get these magical benefits
[11:24] <nikita> guys, can anybody explain me, how do I install cyrillic fonts on the system? rrrrrrr... lol, i give up =) thanks
[11:24] <Red_Herring> !javadebs
[11:25] <Red_Herring> or seveas
[11:25] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[11:25] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:25] <Red_Herring> USE THAT!
[11:25] <fatejudger> because I know that I used Sun's java
[11:25] <fatejudger> not GNU Java
[11:25] <Red_Herring> just try azureus under windows, then under linux
[11:25] <fatejudger> and it sucks
[11:25] <Red_Herring> and see which one works faster
[11:25] <Red_Herring> and downloads faster
[11:25] <fatejudger> azureus is horrible in both
[11:25] <Red_Herring> ok
[11:25] <Red_Herring> you are talking crap
[11:26] <Red_Herring> are you using a pII 200mhz?
[11:26] <fatejudger> P4 2.4 mhz
[11:26] <Red_Herring> i have a celeron laptop, and it runs FAST
[11:26] <Red_Herring> 1.5ghz
[11:26] <fatejudger> do you know anything about how Java works?
[11:26] <Red_Herring> yeah
[11:26] <Red_Herring> i program in it
[11:26] <Red_Herring> i know its slower than anything else
[11:26] <fatejudger> exactly
[11:26] <Red_Herring> but its getting pretty fast
[11:26] <fatejudger> the Garbarge Collector
[11:26] <fatejudger> yeah, that's what they all say
[11:26] <fatejudger> and you know what happens?
[11:26] <fatejudger> nothings
[11:26] <fatejudger> *nothing
[11:27] <fatejudger> the only reason it's getting faster is because people's computers are getting faster
[11:27] <Red_Herring> the new 1.5 is a lot faster
[11:27] <Red_Herring> i dont really care for the language
[11:27] <Red_Herring> but still, java under linux runs faster than under windows
[11:27] <Red_Herring> thats a fact
[11:28] <fatejudger> KDE or Gnome?
[11:28] <Red_Herring> because it was built under UNIX
[11:28] <Red_Herring> it doesnt matter whether its kde or gnome
[11:28] <fatejudger> sure it does
[11:28] <gamma> that didn't fix my flash issues
[11:28] <Red_Herring> java was made w/ SOLARIS and KDE
[11:28] <fatejudger> do you know how many emulation layers it has to go through
[11:28] <fatejudger> before the GUI is actually rendered?
[11:28] <fatejudger> azureus vs Ktorrent
[11:28] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: so? the window manager isnt involved
[11:28] <fatejudger> you know which one wins in terms of speed and memory management?
[11:29] <Red_Herring> i dont care for Ktorrent
[11:29] <fatejudger> have you used 1.2 SVN?
[11:29] <Red_Herring> use it if you like
[11:29] <Red_Herring> i prefer azureus
[11:29] <Red_Herring> whatever
[11:29] <fatejudger> it's basically just like azureus with search support
[11:29] <fatejudger> gamma: do you use 1.2 SVN?
[11:29] <Red_Herring> really?
[11:29] <djk_> Red_Herring: just out of pure curiosity, what does the download speed have to do with the programming language or the OS
[11:29] <gamma> fatejudger: 1.2rc2
[11:29] <fatejudger> djk_: it doesn't
[11:29] <Red_Herring> djk_: the way it handles connections
[11:29] <fatejudger> djk_: unless you're download more than 1 torrent
[11:29] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: yes it does
[11:30] <gamma> doesn't azureus use like 200 mb of ram for java?
[11:30] <fatejudger> djk_: and you have very little RAM
[11:30] <Red_Herring> gamma: depends how much you have downloaded
[11:30] <djk_> fatejudger: i know.
[11:30] <Red_Herring> azures tends to cache a lot of it before writing it to a disk
[11:30] <fatejudger> djk_: and then Java just sucks it up with it's super efficient garbage collector
[11:30] <Red_Herring> thats just teh way java is
[11:30] <gamma> well i know limewire uses a TON of ram
[11:30] <djk_> fatejudger: I was just interested in Red_Herrings explanation
[11:30] <gamma> because of java
[11:31] <fatejudger> which is why I refused to learn the language for so long
[11:31] <Red_Herring> djk_: linux is great for its way of networking and handling stuff like that
[11:31] <djk_> Red_Herring: uhuh
[11:31] <fatejudger> it's only now that I've started learning Java because of UC requirements
[11:31] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: im taking my CP class at my school
[11:31] <Red_Herring> i learned c++
[11:31] <Red_Herring> then java
[11:31] <Red_Herring> i like c++
[11:31] <Red_Herring> still
[11:31] <fatejudger> C++ is far better
[11:31] <Red_Herring> but since they use windows2000 there
[11:32] <Red_Herring> i am forced to use java most of the time
[11:32] <Red_Herring> because i run kubuntu here
[11:32] <fatejudger> my computer science teacher is a java fan though
[11:32] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: same here
[11:32] <fatejudger> so all he does is talk trash about C/C++ all day
[11:32] <Red_Herring> that sucks
[11:32] <Red_Herring> my teacher knows shit about c++
[11:32] <Red_Herring> she doesnt know how to pass arrays
[11:32] <Red_Herring> do you?
[11:32] <Red_Herring> i cant find out how
[11:33] <fatejudger> it shoudl be just like any other variable
[11:33] <Red_Herring> it isnt
[11:33] <fatejudger> well wait
[11:33] <fatejudger> by pass
[11:33] <Red_Herring> doing function(int array)
[11:33] <fatejudger> do you mean by reference?
[11:33] <Red_Herring> doesnt work
[11:33] <fatejudger> ohhh
[11:33] <fatejudger> of course it doesn'
[11:33] <fatejudger> t
[11:33] <Red_Herring> yeah
[11:33] <Red_Herring> my computer teacher doesnt know how
[11:33] <fatejudger> you need foo(int &array)
[11:33] <Red_Herring> because she hates c++
[11:33] <Red_Herring> thats all?
[11:33] <fatejudger> that hands the memory address to the function
[11:33] <Red_Herring> just pass it as an array?
[11:34] <fatejudger> passing by reference
[11:34] <Red_Herring> *reference
[11:34] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:34] <Red_Herring> yeah
[11:34] <Red_Herring> typo
[11:34] <Red_Herring> thats simple
[11:34] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:34] <Red_Herring> i made a tic tac toe program
[11:34] <Red_Herring> and had an array for the board
[11:34] <Red_Herring> but i couldnt figure out how to pass the board array
[11:34] <Red_Herring> so i had to make it a global variable
[11:35] <Red_Herring> damn that is not good
[11:35] <poningru> hehe
[11:35] <Red_Herring> but what i got against c++ is the libraries we use at school arent for linux
[11:35] <Red_Herring> so my tic tac toe program can only work under wine
[11:36] <fatejudger> is it GUI?
[11:36] <Red_Herring> yup
[11:36] <Red_Herring> its an old GUI library
[11:36] <fatejudger> you should be using a cross-platform GUI toolkit like QT
[11:36] <Red_Herring> its easy to use, and all my school can afford
[11:36] <fatejudger> QT is free
[11:36] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: you realize how much more my computer teacher would have to leran?
[11:36] <fatejudger> I'm not sure about education institutions though
[11:36] <fatejudger> lol
[11:37] <fatejudger> yes, but QT is very easy to learn
[11:37] <Red_Herring> i tried my hand at tk w/ python
[11:37] <Red_Herring> holy crap thats complex
[11:37] <fatejudger> try QT with C++ or Ruby
[11:37] <fatejudger> it works great
[11:37] <Red_Herring> sure
[11:37] <Red_Herring> any good tutorials out there?
[11:37] <fatejudger> www.trolltech.com
[11:38] <fatejudger> they have tutorials and all of the classes documented
[11:38] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: i WOULD show you my tictactoe program, but my parents are holding my router hostage
[11:38] <Red_Herring> so i cant have my server
[11:38] <fatejudger> lol
[11:38] <Red_Herring> embedded QT?
[11:38] <Red_Herring> neat
[11:38] <Red_Herring> how hard is GTK+?
[11:38] <Red_Herring> sorry if thats a retarded question to ask
[11:39] <fatejudger> harder than QT
[11:39] <fatejudger> a lot harder
[11:39] <Red_Herring> hmm
[11:39] <Red_Herring> good to know
[11:39] <fatejudger> it's different for going cross-platform too
[11:39] <Red_Herring> is there any good IDEs for qt and c++?
[11:39] <dbglt> kdevelop
[11:40] <fatejudger> I think QTs libraries are native for the OS and embedded when you compile the program
[11:40] <dbglt> for all languages and such, it's fantastic
[11:40] <Red_Herring> any cross platform IDEs?
[11:40] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: KDevelop
[11:40] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: oh
[11:40] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I hate to say it, but Visual Studio 2005
[11:40] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I think they support QT now
[11:40] <Red_Herring> thats cross platform?
[11:41] <fatejudger> no
[11:41] <fatejudger> but it works on Windows
[11:41] <Red_Herring> true
[11:41] <fatejudger> and you can always use KDevelop on Linux
[11:41] <dbglt> what's that IBM one...
[11:41] <Red_Herring> does eclipse have a plugin for it?
[11:41] <Red_Herring> i could just use eclipse
[11:41] <fatejudger> you know what you can do
[11:41] <Red_Herring> w/ a plugin
[11:41] <fatejudger> if you don't want QT functionality embedded
[11:41] <Red_Herring> ok
[11:41] <fatejudger> is just the QDesigner
[11:41] <Red_Herring> ill look into it
[11:41] <fatejudger> and then some regular IDE
[11:42] <fatejudger> that would be the best option
[11:42] <dbglt> yeah I'd suggest eclipse
[11:42] <Red_Herring> i tried eclipse, maybe its me, but that took an awefully long time to start and run
[11:43] <dbglt> worked fine for me :)
[11:43] <Red_Herring> well... i do have a 1.5ghz celeron laptop
[11:44] <dbglt> there are a lot of proprietary versions also :\
[11:44] <dbglt> of crossplatform ides
[11:49] <dbglt> I've set up gstreamer, with ffmpeg and all of its nice plugins... and yet I still can't play an .mp4 (quicktime) file...
[11:49] <dbglt> this file works fine when using xine
[11:49] <dbglt> (using kaffiene as a front end)
[11:49] <Red_Herring> meh
[11:50] <Red_Herring> i hate gstreamer
[11:50] <Red_Herring> i use xine for everthing
[11:50] <Red_Herring> that and vlc
[11:50] <Red_Herring> now that i think about it, mplayer too
[11:50] <Red_Herring> acutally ANYTHING but gstreamer
[11:51] <dbglt> it must be something very simple which is missing...
[11:51] <Red_Herring> not sure
[11:52] <Red_Herring> quicktime is like wmv
[11:52] <Red_Herring> its very hard for open source people to distribute it
[11:52] <Red_Herring> so it *may* not be included
[11:54] <mcsteels> can any1 help me, trying to install automatix on amd64 but cant find the deb for 64 anywhere??
[11:54] <Red_Herring> !automatix
[11:54] <ubotu> automatix is, like, messy, it breaks security guidelines. In short: You should not use it! !easyubuntu is a safer alternative, however it is much better to simply read documentation
[11:55] <Red_Herring> !easyubuntu
[11:55] <dbglt> xvimagesink.c(740): gst_xvimagesink_get_xv_support: /internal_thread/thread_vbin/vbin/sink:
[11:55] <dbglt> No port available
[11:55] <mcsteels> where can I read up on easyubuntu??
[11:56] <mcsteels> and will it work on breezy 5.10 kubuntu??
[11:56] <Red_Herring> type in !easyubuntu
[11:56] <Red_Herring> it messages you
[11:56] <eXSiR> !easyubuntu
[11:56] <mcsteels> !easyubuntu
[11:57] <dbglt> ah
[11:57] <dbglt> easy
[11:57] <dbglt> just had to change
[11:57] <dbglt> works all nice now
[11:59] <fatejudger> is anyone having trouble with autoconf on Dapper?
[11:59] <fatejudger> make doesn't seem to be able to detect it
[11:59] <Red_Herring> i wanna try dapper
[11:59] <fatejudger> then try it
[11:59] <Red_Herring> but i just want ta have a working computer
[11:59] <Red_Herring> so im holding off
[11:59] <fatejudger> it'll work
[11:59] <fatejudger> it isn't just going to crash every 5 minutes
[11:59] <fatejudger> the only major problem is Adept
[12:00] <fatejudger> which is somewhat unusable ATM
[12:00] <fatejudger> it can't update the repos and it can't do a "full update"
[12:00] <Red_Herring> well...
[12:00] <Red_Herring> that sucks
[12:00] <fatejudger> in fact, other than that
[12:00] <fatejudger> if they released Dapper right now
[12:00] <fatejudger> it would be more stable than Breezy IMO
[12:01] <Red_Herring> i used dapper
[12:01] <Red_Herring> livecd
[12:01] <Red_Herring> it was nice
[12:01] <Red_Herring> but VERY VERY buggy
[12:01] <fatejudger> well I can tell you
[12:01] <fatejudger> I'm using Flight 3
[12:01] <fatejudger> and I've noticed very few bugs