=== mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #launchpad [12:19] hmm [12:20] jordi? [12:20] no answer to my email? [12:20] I HATE YOU [12:20] https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/29814 [12:20] Malone bug 29814 in rosetta: "Oops when removing elements from the import queue" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [12:20] this is teh suck [12:20] kiko: your email [12:20] I got no kiko email [12:21] asking for FAQ fodder [12:21] oh. I did think about it while running. [12:21] Do you have more suggestions? [12:21] that's good. [12:21] running -- good. [12:22] FAQ suggestions? even better. [12:22] well, I can pull some out of my hat tomorrow [12:22] (the bad news is that the teammates were very slowly incrementing the pace, so I was suffering enough not to be able to think much :) [12:22] so no [12:22] ok [12:23] let's talk about it. [12:23] Qestions from the Rosetta FAQ that can be adapted [12:23] What happens if Rosetta closes? Will the translations be lost? [12:24] What happens if Launchpad, being non-free stuff, closes? [12:24] Maybe a silly "What's with the launchpad name?" (someone added this one to the RosettaFAQ) [12:25] Other Launchpad questions [12:25] What's the difference between a 'Team Admin', 'Team Member' and a 'Non-Member'? [12:25] Is the Rosetta code updated often? [12:25] these two are already answered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaFAQ [12:26] Malone: why Yet Another Bugtracker? -> explain what malone offers besides regular tracking abilities? [12:26] wow, this is all great! [12:26] is it? :) [12:26] yes [12:28] more [12:28] What does the launchpad offer? [12:28] more! [12:28] --> list of names with a very brief explanation of every component [12:29] ie Rosetta is our translation portal [12:29] Do I need a translation team? [12:29] good one LarstiQ [12:29] do they? :) === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has left #launchpad ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] [12:30] kiko: so do we want to include some Rosetta stff in here, or link to the Rosetta FAQ? [12:30] jordi, it's your option! [12:31] well, dunno [12:31] what's the url for this again? lp.net/faq? [12:32] I wonder if that's pollution. do we plan to do something like /doc/*? [12:32] My idea for the docs I want to write is to stick them somewhere in the site, more than the wiki [12:35] kiko: "Can I add my KikoLinux distro to Soyuz?" [12:35] well, I think the faq is a first step in this direction. [12:35] nod [12:36] "I read about all of this COCK SIGNING PROCESS. What kind of rock stars are you?" [12:36] ok, maybe not that one [12:37] maybe not [12:38] jordi, can you collect those items and reply to my email? [12:38] I'm fucking collapsing [12:38] I never got such a mail [12:38] I got your request on IRC :) [12:38] kiko: do you have the log for this covnersation, or should I paste? [12:38] jordi, the launchpad mail! [12:38] come on [12:39] hm. launchpad mail. [12:39] subject? [12:39] it has FAQ in it [12:39] great. I never got it. [12:40] Questions for the FAQ === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad [12:40] jordi: you should add that to the FAQ, I found it very informative [12:40] kiko: it's in my procmail log [12:40] let's see where it ended [12:41] hmm, =canonical/launchpad is a good place, ys [12:41] @#UI@!UIWQ [12:41] But why do I get other mails in my inbox? [12:41] jordi, is this your first time on a computer too? [12:41] it seems not all of the mail gets there. [12:41] lol [12:42] it's been a long day [12:42] things are hectic at the stupid office [12:42] you can say that again [12:42] we have a deadline on the 1st [12:42] I can: it's been a long day [12:42] oh, deadlines, how unusual === SteveA [n=steve@195.182.78.95] has joined #launchpad [12:47] ok [12:47] I'll try to do something useful with the import quue [12:48] if it doesn't break apart even more [12:50] so when do we move the wiki to wiki.launchpad.net? [12:51] oh. I thought there was an agreement to change "Ubuntero" back to Ubuntite. Did I dream this? === LarstiQ sighs [01:34] linking to distribution packages can use some improvements === Nafallo is now known as Nafallo_away [01:35] jordi, hello [01:35] jordi, have some time for me? [01:37] AlinuxOS: I was on my way to bed :( [01:37] AlinuxOS: it's quite late here [01:37] jordi, ok bro no robs [01:37] probs :) [01:37] good night. [01:37] AlinuxOS: is it quick? [01:37] only one question [01:38] shoot! [01:38] who are Rosetta Administratos on launchpad ? [01:38] I saw armenian translation in armenian [01:38] translated by Rosetta Administrators. [01:39] AlinuxOS: sounds like an import from upstream? [01:39] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/gnome-desktop/+pots/gnome-desktop-2.0/hy/+translate [01:39] for example. [01:40] exactly [01:40] the thing is that...I'm from georgian team... [01:40] AlinuxOS: if a translation gets imported automatically by our import scripts, and the file imported has no valid Last-Translator: header, it will use the name of the importer [01:40] in this case, it was Rosetta Admins [01:40] armenian is like georgian very exotic language [01:40] today Ive installed dapper [01:41] when I change to armenian layout [01:41] I can even write in armenian unicode [01:41] but in georgian I still need to put mu georgian unicode .ttf-s in right directorys. [01:41] can someone tell me what's is the pakcage name that... [01:42] AlinuxOS: hmm [01:42] provides .ttf unicode fonts.. [01:42] so Ubuntu lacks Georgan fonts? [01:42] the basic one... [01:42] that's bad. [01:42] jordi, yes [01:42] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/ka [01:43] AlinuxOS: it seems there's no package with specific georgian fonts [01:43] and we are so enthusiastic with "Ubuntu in Georgian" and there is no georgian .ttf's by default. [01:43] :) [01:43] :/ [01:43] BUT [01:43] jordi, but with armenian yes. [01:44] I see the characters in gucharmap [01:44] so clearly something provides them [01:44] LarstiQ: do you know if xfonts-*-transcoded provides ttf-like fonts? [01:45] I need the name of package that is allredy installer in my system and provides armenian by default...in this mode I can understand what package provides them...and then contact a packag mantainer. [01:45] LarstiQ: gucharmap claims these Georgian fonts come from "fixed" === LarstiQ doesn't see them in gucharmap atm === LarstiQ fiddles a bit [01:45] in gucharmap I have only CUBES [01:46] ok [01:46] with numbers inside :/ [01:46] then there's hope [01:46] AlinuxOS: hah! I have empty cells :) [01:46] because I do see your characters. [01:46] LarstiQ, yes my dear friend! :) [01:46] letter "shin" is like a latin "y" :) [01:46] and I have a lot translations of Ubuntu in georgian ;D [01:46] then again, nothing seems to work [01:47] and when I change locales (a lot of thanks to pitti for time and patience) to ka... there is no more interface :) [01:47] jordi: in short, no idea [01:48] jordi, our Y is very difficult to pronunciate [01:48] ;) [01:48] we have 33 letters [01:48] 28 consonants. [01:48] 28 consonants [01:48] TAKE THAT [01:49] for example, armenian is by default... [01:49] err [01:49] wow I need sleep [01:49] and there is no cubes. [01:49] I missparsed consonant for vowel [01:49] jordi, :) [01:49] go to sleep :) === LarstiQ is sad at gucharmap not showing _any_ character anymore :( [01:49] AlinuxOS: I suggest you install these packages and try [01:49] aybe you can help me with that tommorow or some other days :) [01:49] jordi, which? [01:49] xfonts-base-transcoded, xfonts-100dpi-transcoded [01:50] and maybe xfonts-75dpi-transcoded [01:50] ok [01:50] and tell me if after installing that, you can see these characters after restarting gucharmap [01:50] jordi: iirc, transcoded packages are unicode fonts transformed to iso 8859 [01:50] jordi, allredy installed. === LarstiQ would surprised if that helped [01:51] LarstiQ: yeah [01:51] :) [01:51] me too [01:51] but gucharmap reports "fixed" as the origin for this font [01:51] jordi: shouldn't AlinuxOS be in an utf8 locale? [01:51] there is one font [01:51] isn't he? [01:51] LarstiQ, yes Georgian is in UTF-8 [01:51] ka_GE.UTF-8 [01:51] right [01:51] jordi: fixed is a strange beast [01:52] so this locale need some fonts.. [01:52] AlinuxOS: do you have ttf-freefont, ttf-dejavu and maybe ttf-opensymbol? [01:52] I have 3 best utf free fonts. [01:52] jordi, yes. [01:52] everything... [01:52] how about xfonts-efont-unicode? [01:52] hrm. [01:52] LarstiQ: those would be bitmaps too [01:52] LarstiQ, ah [01:52] I know this fonts [01:53] they are horrible like Devil.. [01:53] heh [01:53] very old version.. [01:53] hehe [01:53] and no anti aliasing support. [01:53] AlinuxOS: but they do include Georgian [01:53] blergh :) [01:53] LarstiQ, yes... [01:53] FIX BUILD BUSTAGE [01:53] but no one will you ubuntu with this horrible fonts:) [01:54] AlinuxOS: which is another wording for, I have no idea how it works with ttf fonts [01:54] kiko-zzz: good night dude [01:54] LarstiQ: there's something with these fonts [01:54] I ave it [01:54] this armienian fonts are very smooth... :) I'm searching for package that provides them... === BjornT_ [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad [01:54] AlinuxOS: fc-list |grep ixed [01:55] by default they are included. [01:55] AlinuxOS: could be by mistake [01:55] fc-list | grep ixed [01:55] lappie%~> [01:55] aha... [01:56] boys do you know who on ubuntu-devel is font and X.org master ? :) [01:56] maybe there is soeone armenian :) [01:56] and he has included armenian by default :) [01:57] 2330:jordi@nubol:~$ fc-list -v |grep ixed [01:57] Fixed:style=Bold [01:57] AlinuxOS: my guess is that armenian just comes in with something else, unexpectedly [01:57] [...] [01:57] how do I find out what file is providing these? [01:57] LarstiQ, ok...so I'm searching for this "something else" :) [01:57] jordi: /etc/fonts/** ? [01:58] AlinuxOS: so are we :) [01:58] /usr/share/fonts ? [01:58] LarstiQ, :) [01:58] hehe bro [01:58] jordi: I was more thinking of the fc config [01:58] LarstiQ: nothing interesting [01:58] AlinuxOS: dunno, man === LarstiQ has interesting kana in that file [01:59] AlinuxOS: tried running fc-cache or stuff like that? [01:59] AlinuxOS: hmm, got gsfonts? [01:59] jordi, yes [01:59] the package [02:00] jordi, locales ka_GE noprobs... but my locale have no fonts ... and fc-cache updates when you put something yours... [02:00] I can put my fonts..and then run.. [02:00] nod [02:00] AlinuxOS: which fonts are you using then? [02:01] LarstiQ: this isn't fun [02:01] but someone (georgian future user) when changes locales...will not see in georgian. [02:01] I have a font providing it, but dunno which [02:01] jordi: I love (X) fonts. [02:01] BPG_Chveulebrivi.ttf [02:01] 2377:jordi@nubol:/usr/share/fonts$ fc-match fixed [02:01] 12x13ja.pcf.gz: "Fixed" "ja" [02:02] this is why I suggested transcoded stuff [02:02] BPG_Courier.ttf [02:02] AlinuxOS: I assume you have xfonts-base installed [02:02] BPG_Glaho.ttf [02:02] best fonts for Ubuntu [02:03] ok [02:03] my last bet is that it's coming from xfonts-base [02:03] yes I ahve xfonts-base [02:03] fc-list :lang=ka [02:03] jordi: that gives fixed fonts/ [02:03] jordi, If you want tommorow I'll send you this .ttf's [02:03] AlinuxOS: is that ttf free? [02:04] free as in free speech [02:04] jordi, sure [02:04] not like a beer :) [02:04] fc-list :lang=ja [02:04] Kochi Gothic,:style=Regular, [02:04] weee [02:04] there is no commercial georgian fonts.. [02:04] we are not so intelligent like redmonds people. [02:04] AlinuxOS: it can be freely modified, redistributed, etc? [02:04] we are poor and pure nation :) [02:05] LarstiQ, yes. [02:05] AlinuxOS: good [02:05] awww, there doesn't seem to be a font covering lang=jbo === LarstiQ refuses to believe [02:06] font covering? [02:06] AlinuxOS: BPG_Glaho.ttf covers Georgian [02:07] I can't understand you :) [02:07] sorry [02:07] covers Georgian? [02:07] yes [02:07] do you speak italian ? :) [02:07] or russian? :) [02:07] non. [02:07] or GEORGIAN :) [02:07] hehe [02:07] AlinuxOS: Dutch? :) [02:07] LarstiQ, nooo :/ [02:08] Lars Ulrich from Metallica was Durch :) [02:08] I'm out [02:08] Dutch [02:08] laters [02:08] jordi, ok [02:08] AlinuxOS: hell no [02:08] I'll talk about this thing tommorow [02:08] AlinuxOS: he's Danish [02:08] :D [02:08] jordi, thank you a lot pal! [02:08] LarstiQ, you to amico :) [02:08] jordi: sleep well [02:09] AlinuxOS: I refuse to share a country with 'money good, napster baaad' :P [02:09] loooolz [02:09] :D [02:09] LarstiQ, for example? [02:10] AlinuxOS: now you've lost me [02:10] LarstiQ, ? === LarstiQ was just pointing out that Ulrich is from Denmark, and LarstiQ is from The Netherlands [02:10] why lost? [02:10] aaaaaaaaah [02:10] !!! [02:10] AlinuxOS: so I'm not sure what you want an example of? [02:10] sorry [02:10] !!! [02:10] viva Ajax! [02:10] :D [02:10] haha :P [02:11] do you like ajax? [02:11] :D [02:11] Ajax is from Amterdam, not one of my favourite cities [02:11] :) [02:11] there was a Georgian forward called Shota Arveladze :) [02:11] I recognize that name, even if I don't follow football :) [02:12] :) [02:12] LarstiQ, what bout you? ;) are you in some translation teams? [02:12] AlinuxOS: not really, although I've done one small bit of Lojban today [02:13] LarstiQ, could you tell me what is the meaning of text files like fonts.cache-1 in /usr/share/fonts/truetype directory...? [02:15] AlinuxOS: I'm presuming it is cached information about fonts generated during font package install [02:15] alinux@dapper:/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-telugu-fonts$ dpkg -S Pothana2000.tt f [02:15] ttf-telugu-fonts: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-telugu-fonts/Pothana2000.ttf [02:15] very strange font [02:15] so I'll see who makes it..and then install [02:16] ttf-telugu-fonts for Telugu, never heard of the language [02:17] ah, India [02:17] or when someone wants georgian locales , so package ttf-georgian-fonts must to be linked like dependency to language-pack-gnome-ka [02:18] that sounds sensible to me, but I'm not involved in Ubuntu [02:18] LarstiQ, :) [02:18] and I'm 3 hours over my sleep deadline [02:18] so where? [02:18] so where what? [02:18] ok [02:18] you are invulved in lauchpad only? [02:18] or? [02:19] I'm here as a launchpad user [02:19] ah :) [02:20] ok LarstiQ [02:20] LarstiQ, nice to meet you :) and good night! [02:20] :D [02:21] thanks, you too :) === LarstiQ goes to bed === AlinuxOS too === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #launchpad === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #launchpad [03:34] Merge to devel/launchpad/: Fix https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/5394 (Clicking on 'Advanced search' should preserve simple search criteria) and https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/5324 (Advanced search for bugs breaks if you don't select at least one status). r=BjornT (r3036: Guilherme Salgado) === jinty [n=jinty@135.Red-80-37-34.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.99.196.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@gb.ja.99.61.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [05:32] stu1, https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/29828 looks like your sort of bug === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-156-148.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === stu1 turns his sound on === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-156-148.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-159-175.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === ajmitch [i=ajmitch@port169-250.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #launchpad === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-152-235.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@40.Red-83-59-158.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [09:45] morning [09:53] morning. [09:53] morning siretart [09:53] is soyuz already there? How do I notice when this happens? === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-152-235.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [10:02] hello === carlos [n=carlos@40.Red-83-59-158.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad [10:07] morning hackers [10:31] morning [10:36] hi stevea === fabbione [n=fabbione@retribution.clearairturbulence.org] has joined #launchpad === kiko_ [n=kiko@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-142-236.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [10:53] hello there === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-156.nr.ip.pt] has joined #launchpad === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad [11:02] lifeless: Want to review a disgusting db patch involving triggers, or should I just shove it through as trivial? [11:03] LOL [11:06] eek... FLCOW appears to have stopped working :/ [11:07] why are you still using that? [11:08] So I can have hard linked trees without chewing up all my disk space [11:08] I find the trees to be rather smallish nowadays [11:08] LP_PRELOAD doesn't like spurious : anymore [11:11] I've got two gigs of trees and most of them where created using cp -al [11:16] stub: what are the triggers for? [11:16] Maintaining a materialized view [11:16] it is friday night, a sacred time for lifeless. i don't expect he'll be around today. [11:16] materialized view of what? [11:16] ValidPersonOrTeamCache [11:17] Should make the FOAF vocabularies much faster once they use it [11:19] i'll review it if you like. not that i claim any database knowledge... [11:19] kiko: my legs ache today [11:19] kiko: but this means the next time we meet, I am going to kick your ass. [11:22] jordi: how far, how fast? [11:23] SteveA: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileVsblsA.html [11:23] SteveA: Or punt it to salgado since he will want to use it [11:23] SteveA: yesterday it was around 8 kms, but not so fast [11:23] There's still a long way to go [11:24] stub: valid in this sense means "a person or team that is eligible to be selected as the owner of something" ? [11:25] You can paraphrase it that way, yes [11:25] "valid" is such an overloaded term [11:25] i think it would help to qualify it somehow [11:25] Indeed. It has a specific meaning dealing with people and teams though [11:26] PeopleWIthPasswordsAndPreferredEmailAddressesOrTeamsThatAreNotMerged [11:26] id integer PRIMARY KEY REFERENCES Person ON DELETE CASCADE [11:27] does that mean when a Person is deleted, the cache record is also deleted? [11:27] or the other way around?! [11:28] typos: +Remove names from sabdfl to avlid triggeringthe valid_team_fields constraint [11:28] When a person is deleted, the cache record is also deleted. Purely a convenience for me, since nothing else is able to delete People records [11:29] jordi, sorry, you're fucked for now [11:30] kiko: 1 year of no training shows. But I'll be back to my 2004 state soonish. word. [11:30] we'll see. [11:33] kiko: how did your 12h race go? [11:33] is it over? [11:34] that was almost two months ago! [11:34] it went well, we did 4th [11:35] I fell and cracked my helmet [11:35] stub: you could define PREF = 4 earlier, and use that instead of a literal '4', although it would mean an awkward string substitution. nonetheless, i'd comment next to the literal '4' that it is PREF [11:38] stub: i didn't see any problems in the logic, but i found it tricky to follow, so perhaps i made a mistake. would it be clearer if you dealt with team and non-team separately, and asserted that we don't change a non-team into a team or vice versa ? === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [11:42] kiko: your ugly helmet!? === jordi runs. [11:42] kiko: did you buy a decent one? [11:43] no [11:43] that one is fine [11:43] I cracked my old red one === raptoid [n=raptoid@85.100.45.207] has joined #launchpad === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #launchpad [11:53] chinstrap.ubuntu.com:/home/warthogs/archives/kiko/launchpad/cprov-hacking/ [11:53] kiko: ok [11:53] cprov, Kinnison: when you need it === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad [11:57] hi [11:57] what is OOPS-27D175 about? [11:58] (I was just trying to open a bug page) [12:01] let's see. [12:02]