| LaserJock | boy, we are a lively bunch today | 12:26 |
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| raphink | lol | 12:28 |
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| raphink | wow no activity today ;) | 01:52 |
| LaserJock | not very much at all, everybody must be working hard ;-) | 01:56 |
| Kyral | Career Fair was today | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: how was that? | 01:58 |
| Kyral | eh | 01:58 |
| Kyral | I targetted IBM | 01:58 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral: did it go well do you think? | 02:02 |
| Kyral | eh, my GPA will sink me everytime | 02:03 |
| LaserJock | well, a GPA isn't everything. You just need to be a MOTU and then they'll be begging you ;-) | 02:05 |
| === ajmitch hasn't got many begging at his door | ||
| Kyral | lol | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | hmm, all this time I was thinking I'd get a job by being a MOTU :-( | 02:09 |
| robotgeek | heh | 02:09 |
| marcin` | hi MOTU's | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | thank goodness I kept my day job ;-) | 02:10 |
| marcin` | not much activity.. so I got a question | 02:11 |
| marcin` | warning - this is 'lame' question | 02:11 |
| marcin` | I need to copy something into debian/<package_name> subdirectory | 02:12 |
| marcin` | so I need to use some copying command in rules file | 02:12 |
| marcin` | is there any preferred way to do copying? | 02:12 |
| marcin` | is cp -vr ok? | 02:12 |
| azeem | copy it from where? | 02:12 |
| marcin` | from orig source dir | 02:13 |
| azeem | why does it not get installed in debian/tmp? | 02:13 |
| marcin` | azeem: let's say that I got some tar.gz with sources | 02:14 |
| azeem | anyway, you can also use dh_install for that, provided you don't pass it --sourcedir=debian/tmp | 02:14 |
| marcin` | azeem: then I extract this somewehere and add /debian directory in this tree | 02:14 |
| marcin` | azeem: and then I want to copy some files from orig tree to debian/<package_name> | 02:16 |
| marcin` | but the problem is that I don't want to copy files but also subdirs and files in these subdirs | 02:17 |
| azeem | during package build? | 02:17 |
| marcin` | I just want to copy tree structure | 02:17 |
| marcin` | azeem: yes | 02:17 |
| azeem | and this "add /debian directory in this tree" is also during package build? | 02:17 |
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| marcin` | I just want to build package with some webapp that doesn't have any makefiles | 02:18 |
| azeem | I see | 02:18 |
| marcin` | and also has al ot of directories and subdirectories | 02:18 |
| azeem | well, I think dh_install copies files recursively | 02:18 |
| marcin` | ok I'll try this | 02:19 |
| azeem | or just use cp -a or cp -r or whatever | 02:19 |
| marcin` | I thought that dh_install is simmilar to install... so it cannot install files recursively | 02:20 |
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| azeem | I think it acts recursively, but I am not sure | 02:27 |
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| crimsun | Nafallo_away: patch(es) sent. | 02:56 |
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| lifeless | if entry.parent_id == orig_root_id | 04:26 |
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| LaserJock | hi all! | 04:46 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 04:46 |
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| zakame | heya LaserJock , bddebian | 04:47 |
| robotgeek | hey LaserJock Burgundavia | 04:47 |
| bddebian | Howdy zakame | 04:47 |
| zakame | and Burgundavia :) | 04:47 |
| bddebian | and robotgeek and Burgundavia ;-P | 04:48 |
| LaserJock | I discovered Jabber today, thanks to raphink | 04:48 |
| robotgeek | hi bddebian | 04:48 |
| zakame | ooh | 04:48 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: maybe you want to give me a hand with this program? | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | if I can, I'm kinda busy tonight | 04:50 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/opende/ode-0.5.tgz | 04:50 |
| robotgeek | take your time, if you get that done, i can go thru it and finish off the rest | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: so what do you need? | 04:51 |
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| robotgeek | i got thru the dh_make stage, but the program doesn't use autoconf, but some weird thing which uses a configuration tool. to make it worse, i think it's a library | 04:52 |
| Burgundavia | hello all | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | hi Burgundavia | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: it looks like you just need to patch the config/user-settings | 04:55 |
| robotgeek | that file doesn't have much LaserJock | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: but I think you need to patch config/user-settings to have the appropriate values and then you can use debian/rules to do make configure | 04:58 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: or is it config/makefile.unix-gcc | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: no, you set PLATFORM in the user-settings to unix-gcc | 05:00 |
| robotgeek | yeah, and then it picks up config/makefile.unix-gcc as the Makefile to use, in addition to the one in the top dir | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | right, but all you have to do is patch the config/user-settings | 05:02 |
| robotgeek | hmm, okay. since i'm lost, i'll go back and give DNMG a rereading, maybe there's something i'm missing | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: actually, it doesn't look like you need to even patch it. It should just work | 05:03 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: i need to add a make install , i am unsure of where to put it in | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: well, you might have to patch makefile.unix-gcc for the X libs | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: you don't need to add a make install, you could just do it in rules | 05:05 |
| robotgeek | hmm, okay. | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: look at the INSTALL file | 05:05 |
| robotgeek | okay, there | 05:06 |
| robotgeek | i just need to copy that last part for the install, right? in rules? | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | right except you don't want to install into /usr/local/ | 05:07 |
| robotgeek | yeah, needs to go to /usr/lib | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | well, actually it will go into ${CURDIR}/debian/tmp/ode/usr/lib/ or something like that | 05:08 |
| robotgeek | yeah, | 05:08 |
| robotgeek | i just got messed up with the rules file then, i guess | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: am I making sense? | 05:15 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: yes, i think i figured it out. thanks for you help! | 05:15 |
| LaserJock | robotgeek: ok cool, let me know if you need more | 05:16 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: sure :) | 05:16 |
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| LaserJock | anybody know of a way I could get vnc easily installed? | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | there are some problems right now with the dependecies | 07:34 |
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| LaserJock | oh my gosh, no vnc packages (vnc4 or tightvnc) are building right :( | 07:57 |
| Mez | are they in universe? | 08:01 |
| Mez | LaserJock, looking for client or server? | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | yes, but they are FTBFS | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | server | 08:02 |
| Mez | why are they FTBFS? | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | dependencies + other stuff | 08:03 |
| Mez | whats the other stuff | 08:03 |
| Mez | deps are easy | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | malone bug #29428 | 08:03 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 29428 in vnc: "vnc (and vnc4) ships it's own XFree86 server code" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29428 | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | I tried doko's packages but the .diff.tgz file seems to have the wrong md5sum | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | I also tried tightvnc but I couldn't get it to make a source package after I fixed the deps problem | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | right now, with doko's source package I'm getting "cp: target `xorg-server/hw/vnc/' is not a directory: No such file or director" when I try to build it in a dapper pbuilder | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | right now though I just need some type of vnc server so I can connect to my Ubuntu computer from home | 08:13 |
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| siretart | morning | 09:53 |
| siretart | hi ajmitch :) | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | hi siretart :) | 09:54 |
| siretart | seems like debian will move to /var/run on tempfs as well | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | good | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | less work for us to fix daemons in universe :) | 09:55 |
| siretart | yes | 09:56 |
| === ajmitch has met a few fellow DDs here this week :) | ||
| ajmitch | I should get a few GPG sigs once they process their keysigning list | 09:59 |
| siretart | ah. :) | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | it's been a great conference so far | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | tomorrow morning we have sabdfl giving his keynote talk | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | and mjg59 is talking about acpi later | 10:02 |
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| siretart | ajmitch: do you have a minute to review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/ReportingBugsToDebian for language/common sense? | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | in a min :) | 10:20 |
| === ajmitch should probably write up some "Here's a patch" templates for mail | ||
| siretart | okay | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | whishlist -> wishlist | 10:21 |
| siretart | oh | 10:21 |
| === ajmitch might go through & do a spelling/grammar fixup :) | ||
| ajmitch | it looks ok though | 10:22 |
| siretart | thank you. my english spelling is cruel, I know :( | 10:22 |
| ajmitch | no it's better than most english speakers | 10:23 |
| siretart | :) | 10:23 |
| siretart | I've just seen a malone bug where the submitter was asked to file a bug in debian, and replied with the question 'how' | 10:23 |
| siretart | and I thought such a wiki page was useful anyway, so I wrote it | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | thank you :) | 10:25 |
| siretart | :) | 10:26 |
| siretart | reminder: the poll is open! | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | ah yes | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | can the other poll be removed? | 10:31 |
| siretart | If I knew how, I would do that | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | yes, it's launchpad.. :) | 10:32 |
| siretart | :) | 10:32 |
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| dholbach | hello motu world! | 11:23 |
| lucas | hello dholbach | 11:25 |
| dholbach | hi lucas | 11:25 |
| lucas | dholbach: have you received some feedback from kamion/mdz regarding the UVF exc req . | 11:26 |
| lucas | ? | 11:26 |
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| dholbach | lucas: seems not | 11:29 |
| siretart | huhu dholbach, hi lucas | 11:34 |
| === ajmitch waves to dholbach | ||
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| Mithrandir | tseng: beagle whine. | 12:03 |
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| raphink | wb dholbach | 12:22 |
| dholbach | re raphink | 12:22 |
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| ajmitch | hm, I wonder if I should sit down & write up something nice & beg for a bounty for selinux stuff ;) | 12:24 |
| ajmitch | siretart: do you think just those 3 poll options will fit most people? | 12:26 |
| raphink | :) | 12:27 |
| raphink | hi ajmitch | 12:27 |
| === ajmitch really really really hopes it doesn't end up as 14:00 UTC | ||
| ajmitch | hi raphink | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | 1400UTC == 0300NZDT | 12:27 |
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| siretart | ajmitch: you had the opportunity to add additional options ;) - I've taken them from sistoptys email, which also didn't get answered | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | siretart: thanks, the opportunity is that I have to ask here first :) | 12:28 |
| raphink | hehe | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | and I've been just a little busy this week with LCA | 12:29 |
| raphink | ajmitch: do you have some time to review two thing on REVU? | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | raphink: 00:30 here | 12:29 |
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| raphink | siretart: I coulnd't add options to the poll... | 12:30 |
| siretart | raphink: because the poll has already started | 12:30 |
| raphink | maybe because I'm not admin in the motu group | 12:30 |
| siretart | no, nobody can anymore | 12:31 |
| ajmitch | I think I just can't turn up if it ends up as tuesday :) | 12:31 |
| ajmitch | but that's the same for others for any time | 12:31 |
| raphink | siretart: no yesterday I couldn't edit it | 12:31 |
| siretart | oh | 12:31 |
| siretart | strange | 12:31 |
| ajmitch | because I forgot to add you as admin | 12:32 |
| raphink | siretart: _yesterday_, before the poll began, I couldn't edit it | 12:32 |
| siretart | raphink: I see. sorry, I cannot do anything about it now :( | 12:32 |
| raphink | yes I think so | 12:32 |
| raphink | could you do so ? :) | 12:32 |
| ajmitch | raphink: just blame me :) | 12:32 |
| raphink | ajmitch: hehe ;) | 12:33 |
| raphink | ajmitch: lucas should be an admin in the group, too | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | haha | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | I found photos of myself on someone's LCA photos | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | & lathiat | 12:34 |
| raphink | really? | 12:35 |
| raphink | :) | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | yes, really | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | I don't think I can set you as admin | 12:35 |
| ajmitch | it's not letting me | 12:35 |
| raphink | hehe | 12:35 |
| raphink | ok | 12:36 |
| raphink | I should ask ogra? | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | http://gallery.toomuchwork.net/v/Travels/New_Zealand_2006/Dunedin2/IMG_4674.JPG.html | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | bad photo :) | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | yes | 12:36 |
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| raphink | ajmitch: which one are you? | 12:37 |
| raphink | ogra__: ping | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | raphink: guess :P | 12:37 |
| raphink | hmmm... | 12:37 |
| raphink | hehe | 12:37 |
| raphink | ok I'll guess the other one is not an ubuntu guy and that gives the answer ;) | 12:38 |
| raphink | am I right? | 12:38 |
| ogra__ | raphink, fiex | 12:38 |
| ogra__ | *fixed | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | raphink: quite right | 12:38 |
| raphink | thanks ogra__ :) | 12:38 |
| raphink | :) | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | raphink: if you're not sure, you can ask ogra__, he's supposedly met me before :) | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | though I'm not sure if he's blanked out those weeks from stress :) | 12:39 |
| raphink | supposedly | 12:39 |
| ogra__ | just from preparation for the sprint :) | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | ah | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | that starts monday? | 12:40 |
| ajmitch | it would be nice to go, but I know it's just distro team :) | 12:41 |
| ogra | and its hard work, not comparable with a conference | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | yes, hard work+lots of stress | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | I wouldn't expect it to be conference like | 12:43 |
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| === ajmitch has been coming home & hacking until 3am lately anyway :) | ||
| ajmitch | ****ing awk yesterday | 12:44 |
| ajmitch | such a simple awk construct, worked differently in mawk than in gawk | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | mawk's regex engine is broken & incomplete | 12:46 |
| ajmitch | so I'll have to have the package build-dep on gawk, sigh | 12:47 |
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| raphink | yeah | 01:41 |
| === raphink just got the business cards he had ordered online :) | ||
| Yagisan | cool | 01:41 |
| raphink | :) | 01:41 |
| Yagisan | so raphink, what is your business ? | 01:42 |
| raphink | I mean the ubuntu cards :) | 01:42 |
| Yagisan | ah | 01:42 |
| Yagisan | still cool | 01:42 |
| raphink | yes :) | 01:43 |
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| jdong_ | mplayer's cpudetect routines don't work for me on a A64 | 01:47 |
| jdong_ | actually, somehow HAVE_MMX, etc are not defined | 01:49 |
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| tseng | dholbach: do we have any answers on uvf exceptions so far? | 03:01 |
| tseng | dholbach: should i not bother writing more? | 03:01 |
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| lucas | tseng: not yet | 03:08 |
| lucas | (U asked this morning) | 03:08 |
| lucas | I | 03:08 |
| tseng | i didnt ask any less than a day ago for sure | 03:09 |
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| lucas | tseng: I meant "I asked" not "you asked" | 03:13 |
| lucas | U is too close to I on the kb for me | 03:13 |
| tseng | lucas: oh. | 03:13 |
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| dholbach | tseng: writing more? | 03:18 |
| dholbach | tseng: as in discussing on our list? | 03:18 |
| ogra | whats there to answer ? | 03:22 |
| ogra | the process is clear, isnt it ? | 03:23 |
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| zul | hey | 03:27 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:34 |
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| zakame | good eeeeevening MOTUs!!! :) | 03:47 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 03:50 |
| zakame | hi bddebian :-) | 03:50 |
| siretart | huhu bddebian, hi zakame | 03:53 |
| zakame | heya siretart :) | 03:53 |
| bddebian | Heya siretart | 03:55 |
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| tseng | ogra: the process is clear up until the point where requests go off list to mdz | 04:18 |
| tseng | ogra: to get an actual answer | 04:19 |
| tseng | ogra: since its off list i have no idea if there was a response, or where the response will show up etc etc | 04:19 |
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| tseng | ogra: should i bother dholbach every day until he tells me to upload? | 04:19 |
| tseng | ogra: (no) | 04:20 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:20 |
| dholbach | ogra: no you shouldn't | 04:20 |
| ogra | tseng, i think he wont answer every single request | 04:20 |
| dholbach | ogra: oops | 04:20 |
| dholbach | tseng: you shouldn't | 04:20 |
| tseng | if he doesnt answer every request, how do I have any idea what to do | 04:20 |
| dholbach | discuss stuff on the mailing list, I'll hand stuff to Matt and Colin and report back ASAP | 04:20 |
| ogra | he will look ove them once a bunch is queued up | 04:20 |
| dholbach | We can ALL discuss the changes on the list | 04:20 |
| ogra | and have a short interview with dholbach or me | 04:21 |
| tseng | the ALL of us discussing part is nice | 04:21 |
| dholbach | It's nothing that needs to be blocked on me. | 04:21 |
| tseng | but seems to have no bearing on anything | 04:21 |
| zakame | hm can the MOTU LP admin add me to the group? :) | 04:21 |
| tseng | its just a pointless step | 04:21 |
| dholbach | no bearing? | 04:21 |
| tseng | no influence | 04:21 |
| dholbach | If people were in favor of doing it, I handed it to Matt. | 04:22 |
| dholbach | It's not a "dholbach decides" thing. | 04:22 |
| dholbach | I want to be sure about the stuff I hand to Matt and Colin, because they have enough to do and arguing with them is ... tough. | 04:22 |
| tseng | it was easier in breezy to update stuff in main than it is for universe now | 04:23 |
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| dholbach | They want to have stuff sent to them, they want to have it batched. | 04:24 |
| ogra | ALL: it would be nice if prople who want to join the MOTU team could apply for it, i dont keep a list around with approved people all the time ... | 04:24 |
| dholbach | If you have an idea, to fix the process and not dump all the review work on one person, please tell me. | 04:24 |
| ogra | Ibalon, added | 04:25 |
| dholbach | ogra: is Ibalon a MOTU? | 04:25 |
| ogra | dholbach, * zakame ist jetzt bekannt als Ibalon | 04:25 |
| ogra | (sorry for the german) | 04:25 |
| dholbach | Ah, right. :-) | 04:25 |
| tseng | i am used to matt and colin trusting what I do and leaving things pretty relaxed even in main | 04:26 |
| tseng | so this is just a pretty stark change | 04:26 |
| tseng | to making a detailed change report and waiting weeks | 04:26 |
| dholbach | I wished it'd work better. | 04:26 |
| ogra | tseng, relaxed != dapper | 04:26 |
| tseng | ogra: we are talking about dapper universe | 04:27 |
| ogra | still we talk about software that people will use for 3-5 years worst case | 04:27 |
| tseng | and bugfix point relesases | 04:27 |
| zakame | ogra, dholbach : sorry, was away dealing with someone IRL :) | 04:29 |
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| tseng | dholbach: could the requests to mdz at least be CC'd to the list so we can see replies? | 04:31 |
| dholbach | I have no reply yet and as I said: I'm going to give an update ASAP | 04:32 |
| dholbach | and yes, I can do it next time. | 04:32 |
| tseng | thanks | 04:32 |
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| zakame | ogra: thanks for adding me btw :) | 04:32 |
| dholbach | :) | 04:32 |
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| Gloubiboulga | hello | 04:35 |
| zakame | heya Gloubiboulga :) | 04:35 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi zakame | 04:35 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 04:57 |
| bddebian | Hello phanatic | 04:58 |
| Gloubiboulga | hi phanatic | 04:58 |
| phanatic | zakame: ping | 04:59 |
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| zakame | phanatic: pong | 05:11 |
| zakame | (sorry, am updating my dapper chroot atm) | 05:12 |
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| phanatic | zakame: then sorry for disturbing. i only wanted to ask, if you have had the time for revuing my nanoweb package... | 05:14 |
| zakame | phanatic: I have some notes, just let me post it on REVU :) | 05:15 |
| phanatic | zakame: okay, thanks :) | 05:17 |
| zakame | phanatic: no prob :) | 05:18 |
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| zakame | wb dholbach , JohnnyMast | 05:50 |
| dholbach | re | 05:50 |
| siretart | wb dholbach | 05:53 |
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| zakame | wb raphink | 05:55 |
| raphink | ty zakame | 05:57 |
| cyberix | I think I just managed to package my software. Can I have some tips what I could/should do with it? And maybe some proofraeding too, as I have never packaged anything before. | 06:00 |
| siretart | cyberix: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide | 06:01 |
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| cyberix | siretart: Ok, what now? | 06:29 |
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| siretart | cyberix: so you are still thinking your package is fine? ;) | 06:32 |
| siretart | cyberix: if yes, you might want to upload it to revu. pass me your gpg id | 06:32 |
| cyberix | siretart: See launchpad id cyberix | 06:38 |
| cyberix | Can I post there the source package? | 06:38 |
| cyberix | I added debian directory to my new upstream release. | 06:38 |
| cyberix | http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/twruottu/mi2svg/ | 06:39 |
| siretart | cyberix: did you really read the page I told you to read? | 06:39 |
| cyberix | I checked with my virtual pen beside every header on the page. | 06:40 |
| siretart | please look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball, and http://revu.tauware.de | 06:40 |
| siretart | short: please don't include debian/ dirs in your upstream tarball. and please provide tar.gz as well. | 06:41 |
| cyberix | I put them there because I wanted to publish them somewhere, so no-one would need to dplicated that work | 06:46 |
| cyberix | I can't see how having them in upstream tar ball is worse than not having them at all, | 06:48 |
| jpatrick | cyberix: they should go in the diff.gz | 06:49 |
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| siretart_ | cyberix: that doesn't matter. you can still distribute your packaging work in the .diff.gz | 06:50 |
| siretart_ | cyberix: I suggest to not distribute packaging work inside the .orig.tar.gz | 06:50 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, I think the general idea is that someone can go to the dowload site of the app your packaging and download their tarball and use it in the source package | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | siretart_: I've got a question about reporting bugs to debian. | 06:54 |
| siretart_ | LaserJock: yes? | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | siretart_: How do we link to our Malone bugs? | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | siretart_: should we be giving the Malone bug #s when we do a report to BTS? | 06:55 |
| siretart_ | LaserJock: how do we link what? | 06:55 |
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| LaserJock | I'm assuming we are doing a bug report in Debian because we have a bug in Malone | 06:56 |
| siretart1 | LaserJock: that would be nice, but is not required, I'd say. link them by mention the url to the malone bug in the message body | 06:58 |
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| siretart | wtf?! | 07:00 |
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| zakame | huh? | 07:02 |
| siretart | my primary uplink just died | 07:03 |
| zakame | gaah | 07:05 |
| zakame | gn8 all | 07:10 |
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| siretart | gn8 zakame | 07:12 |
| zakame | :) | 07:12 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch | 07:37 |
| bmonty | hey ajmitch | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | hi bmonty | 07:39 |
| stratus | ajmitch, :) | 07:39 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: hows life? | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: busy, got a poster for a conference to work on, etc. | 07:39 |
| siretart | ajmitch: does fetchmail still work for you on tauware.de? | 07:40 |
| siretart | morning ajmitch | 07:40 |
| ajmitch | siretart: it did yesterday, I think? | 07:40 |
| ajmitch | I'll check | 07:40 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: I've been busy also...travelling all this week and part of next | 07:40 |
| siretart | my primary uplink is down atm, and I fiddled with the dns config, to make requests load balance over both uplinks | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | stratus: I keep trying to post to utnubu-discuss & the mail gets dropped somewhere | 07:41 |
| siretart | so I'm curious if my config works as expected :) | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | siretart: nope | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | siretart: no route to host | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | stratus: so I can't join in the wonderful discussions ;) | 07:41 |
| siretart | ajmitch: what does tauware.de resolve for you? and what does 'line2.tauware.de' have as ip? | 07:41 |
| stratus | ajmitch, are you receiving a error message? if yes, can you send that to me? | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: yeah, but I've been working on the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and I am thinking of trying a kinda large packaging project | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | stratus: absolutely none | 07:41 |
| ajmitch | tauware.de A 213.239.237.3 | 07:42 |
| stratus | ajmitch, really weird | 07:42 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: I've been hacking on my mirror profiler app, but I'm almost ready to give up since someone keeps changing the format of the wiki page :( | 07:42 |
| stratus | ajmitch, are you subscribed with which email? | 07:42 |
| ajmitch | stratus: @debian.org | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: which wiki page? | 07:42 |
| ajmitch | siretart: line2.tauware.de A 213.239.249.200 | 07:42 |
| stratus | ajmitch, ok i'll take a look, wait. | 07:42 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive | 07:43 |
| ajmitch | I can try & resubscribe with the ubuntu.com address | 07:43 |
| siretart | ajmitch: I changed dns config to make tauware.de include both 213.239.237.3 and 213.239.249.200. the latter is reachable, the former not | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: hmm, weird | 07:44 |
| ajmitch | siretart: right, so round-robin dns | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: my package had it's first release in 5 years and it involves 3 packages. | 07:44 |
| ajmitch | it'll resolve properly about half the time? | 07:44 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: sounds like fun | 07:44 |
| ajmitch | siretart: or where did you put these 2 addresses? | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: and it looks like the debian maintainer has forgotten about it :-) | 07:45 |
| bddebian | bmonty!!! | 07:45 |
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| bddebian | bmonty: Haven't "seen" you in a while :-) | 07:45 |
| bmonty | bddebian: hey long time no see! | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | hi bmonty, bddebian | 07:45 |
| siretart | ajmitch: apache/webbrowsers seem really to do 'fail over' in this config. my website works for me fine, on every reload | 07:45 |
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| ajmitch | siretart: but tauware.de is only resolving to the bad ip address for me :) | 07:46 |
| ajmitch | siretart: it'll be cached in a DNS server somewhere | 07:46 |
| siretart | ajmitch: 194.8.57.12 gives the correct dns data | 07:46 |
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| siretart | (no, this is not my dns server, but the one from nobse ;) | 07:46 |
| ajmitch | siretart: sure, but there's a long ttl, and any of the dns servers that I use will cache the old data | 07:46 |
| siretart | right | 07:47 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: is this another chemistry related package? | 07:47 |
| siretart | ajmitch: I just wanted to point you how you can reach your email atm: line2.tauware.de | 07:47 |
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| ajmitch | which I find hard to believe | 07:47 |
| ajmitch | so mail delivery may be broken too? | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: no, it's Scigraphica. A Microcal Origin clone. | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | mx.tauware.de. 54286 IN A 213.239.237.3 | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | single MX record :) | 07:48 |
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| siretart | ajmitch: I just checked the maildir, it is indeed empty. but mail delivery to tauware is down atm anyway, for obvious reasons ;) | 07:49 |
| stratus | ajmitch, that's weird but i can't take a look into the admin interface, btw i asked nomeata to do that. | 07:49 |
| ajmitch | siretart: you haven't added another MX record on the other ip address? | 07:50 |
| siretart | ajmitch: I added it a few hours before the crash | 07:50 |
| ajmitch | ah | 07:50 |
| ajmitch | caching still, perhaps | 07:50 |
| siretart | no, I didn't knew that the crash will come ;) | 07:50 |
| ajmitch | haha | 07:50 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 07:51 |
| === siretart dinner | ||
| === ajmitch should sit up the front today & fanboy sabdfl ;) | ||
| LaserJock | is he talking? | 07:52 |
| ajmitch | yes | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | cool | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | do you know what about? | 07:53 |
| ajmitch | well he will be talking, giving his keynote an about an hour | 07:53 |
| ajmitch | http://lca2006.linux.org.au/abstract.php?id=463 | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | will it be on the internet at some point? | 07:53 |
| ajmitch | yes | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | cool, I really liked the Debconf5 talk | 07:54 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 07:54 |
| ajmitch | LCA is an ever bigger conference | 07:54 |
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| ajmitch | yesterday was damien conway talking about perl six, before that was david miller talking about linux networking | 07:56 |
| stratus | btw, nice talk title | 07:56 |
| ajmitch | and they're just the keynotes | 07:56 |
| ajmitch | http://linux.conf.au/program.php | 07:56 |
| ajmitch | plenty of fun to go around :) | 07:57 |
| stratus | "Improving Collaboration Between Open Source Projects" | 07:57 |
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| ajmitch | yep | 07:58 |
| ajmitch | for that was have crack^Wlaunchpad | 07:59 |
| stratus | i hope they remember about debian^Wother stuff too | 07:59 |
| ajmitch | so he'll talk about it a little | 07:59 |
| stratus | s/they/he/ | 07:59 |
| ajmitch | sure | 07:59 |
| ajmitch | launchpad is not the one central place, especially being proprietary still :) | 08:00 |
| LaserJock | is there a plan to eventually release the LP source? | 08:00 |
| ajmitch | I hope so | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | I think it's an indefinite plan | 08:01 |
| Mithrandir | LaserJock: it's being said that we want to do so, at some point, but I think the timeline is not there. | 08:01 |
| stratus | yes, the point is that we (as a community) needed a entire agency (nasa, anyone?) with multiple launchpads and not only one. | 08:01 |
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| stratus | of course that Canonical shouldn't be the source of all the magical solutions | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | I hope they get the xml-rpc thing going. I bought the Python Cookbook the other day and it has some info on doing xml-rpc from Python. It looked pretty cool | 08:02 |
| ajmitch | stratus: I think he sees it as being far more beneficial when a community builds around 1 central instance, until some sort of critical mass sustains it | 08:02 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that's the problem with being closed for now | 08:02 |
| ajmitch | we can't look at it & submit patches :) | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | that is what I was thinking | 08:03 |
| stratus | ajmitch, of course it's a succesful model (sourceforge) but now we need to do the second step. | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | though I've heard that it'd currently take weeks for someone to actually get in & understand the code | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | or years in my case :( | 08:03 |
| stratus | LaserJock, all the webservices thing is cool in this way (xml-rpc, soap, whatever) and python has good tools to play with that | 08:03 |
| stratus | ajmitch, have you heard about linux kernel? :) | 08:04 |
| ajmitch | stratus: I think I might have ;) | 08:04 |
| ajmitch | stratus: I saw linus around LCA a couple of days ago | 08:04 |
| stratus | ajmitch, what you said about take weeks to understand codes? | 08:04 |
| ajmitch | stratus: launchpad is a complex zope app, need I say more? ;) | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | anybody know David Schleef from Debian? | 08:04 |
| stratus | ajmitch, no i've enough experience with plone and zope is a interesting beast | 08:05 |
| stratus | LaserJock, no. | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | stratus: zope 3, actually | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I know of him | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | and have seen him around irc | 08:05 |
| stratus | ajmitch, is launchpad over zope 3? | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | stratus: zope 3 is a nice improvement in a number of areas | 08:05 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I'm trying to figure out if he is MIA | 08:05 |
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| ajmitch | yes, they're using it now | 08:06 |
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| stratus | ajmitch, sure. | 08:06 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I doubt it | 08:06 |
| stratus | ajmitch, good for the project. | 08:06 |
| ajmitch | stratus: steve alexander is heavily involved with zope 3 development, as I understand it | 08:06 |
| ajmitch | and he leads LP development | 08:06 |
| ajmitch | stratus: btw have you though about joining the debian/ubuntu zope team? ;) | 08:07 |
| stratus | ajmitch, great all the raw power is there so. | 08:07 |
| ogra | ajmitch, hey, why has nobody packaged eduplone yet | 08:07 |
| stratus | ajmitch, i think i mailed debian/ubuntu zope team about something with the latest packages (i need to check what it was exactly) | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | ogra: because noone has told me about it, and doko is busy? :) | 08:08 |
| ogra | hehe | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | stratus: ok, latest packages of what? | 08:08 |
| stratus | ajmitch, i think that debian/ubuntu zope related stuff is in good shape, no? | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | I've got a few bugs+patches to file | 08:08 |
| stratus | ajmitch, plone. | 08:08 |
| ogra | ajmitch, its already 3 years old, and even i only heard about it yesterday | 08:08 |
| stratus | i've mailed the ML about a issue that i had with my latest setup | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | stratus: quite good stuff, we had kobold doing packaging as a google SoC project | 08:08 |
| stratus | i think it wasn't a bug report but a suggestion, i need to check. | 08:08 |
| ajmitch | and we've switched to a nicer system for handling product installation | 08:09 |
| stratus | ajmitch, yes i see that, really cool stuff, atm i think i can help more with bug reports and disturbing with random mails to the ML. | 08:09 |
| stratus | ajmitch, i've enough stuff todo and a lot more that i won't do (but i need to) in the upcoming months. | 08:10 |
| ajmitch | stratus: I understand | 08:10 |
| ajmitch | stratus: my mail that got lost was about me wanting to help out with utnubu & helping to get more packages in, as you have | 08:10 |
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| ajmitch | since I'm one of the few developers (we need more) who's in both camps & isn't working for canonical :) | 08:11 |
| stratus | ajmitch, in a way i'm the RM of a entire CDD, ogra knows about what i'm talking about. It's cool and i'm having a lot of fun on this project, but it takes a lot of time. | 08:11 |
| ajmitch | oh, what CDD is this? | 08:11 |
| ajmitch | ogra: would you like eduplone packaged sometime? :) | 08:11 |
| stratus | ajmitch, it's called Sacix, it's focused on community telecentres. I work in a non-profit and we've some common goals with edubuntu and others really different. | 08:11 |
| ajmitch | great :) | 08:12 |
| stratus | ajmitch, it really is and we're moving the site to a plone based one due to obvious reasons and the need of translated pages. | 08:13 |
| ogra | ajmitch, yes, sadly i have no clue about zope product packaging ... i tried to get it running already, but somehow it eats more time that it should for a low prio task :/ | 08:13 |
| ajmitch | ogra: I don't see eduplone as standalone product, but 2 addon products on their site | 08:13 |
| ajmitch | ogra: zope packaging is easy enough, I'll take a look next week :) | 08:13 |
| ogra | that'd be so cool :) | 08:13 |
| ogra | since i currently struggle with some weird moodle security holes, we wont include it for a 3/5 year release | 08:14 |
| ajmitch | I can't talk on irc much longer this morning, I have to go & psych myself up for listening to talks :) | 08:14 |
| ogra | so eduplone might be a replacement ... | 08:14 |
| ogra | go listen ! | 08:15 |
| ajmitch | hm, I saw some moodle guys around here lately | 08:15 |
| stratus | oh, but moodle is a interesting piece of code and has really useful features | 08:15 |
| ajmitch | at least they were wearing a moodle shirt - I know catalyst in NZ supports moodle :) | 08:15 |
| ajmitch | anyway, I'll be back on irc in a few hours | 08:15 |
| stratus | there's people using it seriously here in Brazil (and we're too) | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | I got interested in moodle when I was thinking about having a teaching area for development of contributors for Ubuntu | 08:16 |
| stratus | ogra, btw i think that we're still on road to a first pkg-ltsp release (in Debian, of course) in the middle of the next month. | 08:17 |
| stratus | LaserJock, sounds good but it's educational stuff so go with edubuntu and put more workload over ogra. | 08:17 |
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| ogra | heh | 08:18 |
| stratus | ;) | 08:18 |
| ogra | we wanted to include it into edubuntu since the beginning | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't know if it would even be a good idea. I just had a braindump when we started MOTU School | 08:18 |
| ogra | but the vulnerabilitys are simply to much | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | right, that is what I saw | 08:18 |
| ogra | for next release i think i'll grab a good bunch from MOTUSience for edubuntu :) | 08:19 |
| LaserJock | really? | 08:19 |
| ogra | sure | 08:19 |
| stratus | ogra, does moodle still needs safe_mode off and all that? I'm not managing the two installations we've here for some time. | 08:19 |
| ogra | we started with a very small low age distro ... | 08:19 |
| ogra | this release will rather target mid age but be configurable for younger or older students | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to fight the science == education stigma (as far as menus are concerned anyway) but it is cool to have stuff there for people. | 08:20 |
| ogra | so logically next release we'll grow up and have educational apps even for old farts :) | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | like me :( | 08:21 |
| ogra | stratus, for some tasks it does | 08:21 |
| ogra | depends what modules you want to use | 08:21 |
| stratus | ogra, still crap. | 08:25 |
| ogra | yup | 08:25 |
| stratus | ogra, but as i said it's still has some value | 08:25 |
| stratus | ogra, the module handling and the l18n related code i always point out to the development team here, for reference. | 08:26 |
| ogra | yup, teachers simply want it ... | 08:26 |
| ajmitch | ogra: before I go - where can I even download eduplone? I don't see any download links on their site | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | cvs looks a little stale | 08:31 |
| ogra | i think they only have cvs for linux | 08:32 |
| ogra | and a exe with plone included for windows | 08:32 |
| ogra | both from sourceforge.net | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | ok | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | crappy upstream | 08:33 |
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| ajmitch | ogra: devel list has a total of 1 post for 2005 | 08:35 |
| ajmitch | sorry, 2.. just 1 thread :) | 08:35 |
| ogra | heh, yes | 08:36 |
| ogra | but there is a existing irc channel :) | 08:36 |
| ogra | 3 ppl including me are there :) | 08:36 |
| ajmitch | wow | 08:37 |
| ajmitch | I'll look into it later then :) | 08:37 |
| bddebian | Do we have any wiki page on chroot? | 08:37 |
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| Gloubiboulga | bddebian, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot | 08:42 |
| bddebian | Gloubiboulga: Thank you | 08:43 |
| Gloubiboulga | :) | 08:47 |
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| ajmitch | well, looks like the keynote is 1hr later than I thought - to let everyone partially recover from hangovers, no doubt ;) | 09:36 |
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| KoruptidPryde | does anyone know where I can get the linux headers for 2.6.15-11? | 09:44 |
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| LaserJock | doko: ping? | 09:48 |
| owner | does ubuntu release their kernel patches for users to apply? | 09:48 |
| doko | LaserJock: ? | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | doko: I'm needing vnc so I was trying your packages from malone bug 29428 | 09:49 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 29428 in vnc "vnc (and vnc4) ships it's own XFree86 server code" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29428 | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | doko: but they failed to build in my dapper pbuilder | 09:50 |
| doko | these even don't unpack for me ... | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | doko: wich ones? the ones from Bjoern Brauel seem to have a md5sum problem | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | doko: I also tried tightvnc but it also has problems | 09:52 |
| doko | so, yes, it needs some workl | 09:52 |
| KoruptidPryde | okay...... are they ever going to push ndiswrapper-modules-1.8 to the repo? | 09:52 |
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| LaserJock | doko: anway, is there anything I can do to help? | 09:57 |
| doko | LaserJock: sure, it looks like nobody is working on tightvnc, maybe start with that one? or subscribe to the bug report, so you see Bjoern's replies? | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | doko: I'll see what I can do with tightvnc and subscribe to the bugs | 10:01 |
| doko | LaserJock: thanks! | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | hmm, something is weird with tightvnc. the diff.gz is 300K | 10:10 |
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| LaserJock | anybody got a minute to help me on something? I can't get tightvnc to build a source package | 10:23 |
| LaserJock | it looks like it is dying in the clean rule | 10:23 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, this is really frustrating | 10:32 |
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| crimsun | LaserJock: pastebin buildd log? | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7705 is when I do debuild -S on a fresh download of the source package | 11:12 |
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| crimsun | LaserJock: ah, lemme see if I can dig up the fix I used for something similar | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: that would be wonderful, thanks | 11:17 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 11:18 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: yep, here's the fix from xkeycaps's debian/rules: | 11:18 |
| crimsun | imake -DUseInstalled -I/etc/X11/config/cf/ \ | 11:19 |
| crimsun | -D`dpkg --print-architecture` | 11:19 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: hmm, but I don't know where that would go | 11:20 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: there should be a $(MAKE) rule in your clean target | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: right | 11:21 |
| crimsun | the kludge I used is to comment it out and use the above lines | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | oh, so replace -$(MAKE) clean with ^^ ? | 11:22 |
| crimsun | you may not even need to comment it out | 11:22 |
| crimsun | just make sure you have those two lines above your $(MAKE) | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | or in addition too? | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | oh, ok. I'll try that | 11:22 |
| crimsun | try adding it first | 11:22 |
| crimsun | there's bound to be a much better solution | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: just putting it in before the -$(MAKE) clean didn't help, should I try commenting it out? | 11:28 |
| crimsun | let me see | 11:29 |
| crimsun | (I suppose it helps if I log into the correct machine) | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | lol | 11:34 |
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| crimsun | LaserJock: 1.2.9-8ubuntu1, correct? | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: right | 11:39 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: the $(MAKE) references are all fine; it's the xmkmf references that screw things up | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | oh, ok | 11:50 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: and there's a missing build-dep on the 'makedepend' package | 11:50 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: comment out all references to xmkmf and replace them with those two lines above | 11:51 |
| crimsun | (make sure you do the (cd Xvnc; imake [..] ) | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | ok, just a sec | 11:51 |
| crimsun | (I presume you're bumping it to debhelper v5, too) | 11:52 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: beautiful | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: should I (debhelper 5) I just saw the lintian warning | 11:54 |
| crimsun | it's a good idea to | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: I don't want to mess around with the debian package too much | 11:54 |
| crimsun | fixing the ftbfs is fine, too | 11:54 |
| crimsun | :) | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | but if you think it's ok, I'll do it | 11:54 |
| crimsun | I generally try to keep deviations from Debian minimal, so if you just want to fix the ftbfs, that's A-OK | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | ok, well now that I have a source package I can see if it builds :-) | 11:58 |
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