[12:26] <LaserJock> boy, we are a lively bunch today
[12:28] <raphink> lol
[01:52] <raphink> wow no activity today ;)
[01:56] <LaserJock> not very much at all, everybody must be working hard ;-)
[01:57] <Kyral> Career Fair was today
[01:58] <LaserJock> Kyral: how was that?
[01:58] <Kyral> eh
[01:58] <Kyral> I targetted IBM
[02:02] <LaserJock> Kyral: did it go well do you think?
[02:03] <Kyral> eh, my GPA will sink me everytime
[02:05] <LaserJock> well, a GPA isn't everything. You just need to be a MOTU and then they'll be begging you ;-)
[02:07] <Kyral> lol
[02:09] <LaserJock> hmm, all this time I was thinking I'd get a job by being a MOTU :-(
[02:09] <robotgeek> heh
[02:10] <marcin`> hi MOTU's
[02:10] <LaserJock> thank goodness I kept my day job ;-)
[02:11] <marcin`> not much activity.. so I got a question
[02:11] <marcin`> warning - this is 'lame' question
[02:12] <marcin`> I need to copy something into debian/<package_name> subdirectory
[02:12] <marcin`> so I need to use some copying command in rules file
[02:12] <marcin`> is there any preferred way to do copying?
[02:12] <marcin`> is cp -vr ok?
[02:12] <azeem> copy it from where?
[02:13] <marcin`> from orig source dir
[02:13] <azeem> why does it not get installed in debian/tmp?
[02:14] <marcin`> azeem: let's say that I got some tar.gz with sources
[02:14] <azeem> anyway, you can also use dh_install for that, provided you don't pass it --sourcedir=debian/tmp
[02:14] <marcin`> azeem: then I extract this somewehere and add /debian directory in this tree
[02:16] <marcin`> azeem: and then I want to copy some files from orig tree to debian/<package_name>
[02:17] <marcin`> but the problem is that I don't want to copy files but also subdirs and files in these subdirs
[02:17] <azeem> during package build?
[02:17] <marcin`> I just want to copy tree structure
[02:17] <marcin`> azeem: yes
[02:17] <azeem> and this "add /debian directory in this tree" is also during package build?
[02:18] <marcin`> I just want to build package with some webapp that doesn't have any makefiles
[02:18] <azeem> I see
[02:18] <marcin`> and also has al ot of directories and subdirectories
[02:18] <azeem> well, I think dh_install copies files recursively
[02:19] <marcin`> ok I'll try this
[02:19] <azeem> or just use cp -a or cp -r or whatever
[02:20] <marcin`> I thought that dh_install is simmilar to install... so it cannot install files recursively
[02:27] <azeem> I think it acts recursively, but I am not sure
[02:56] <crimsun> Nafallo_away: patch(es) sent.
[04:26] <lifeless> if entry.parent_id == orig_root_id
[04:46] <LaserJock> hi all!
[04:46] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[04:47] <zakame> heya LaserJock , bddebian
[04:47] <robotgeek> hey LaserJock Burgundavia
[04:47] <bddebian> Howdy zakame
[04:47] <zakame> and Burgundavia :)
[04:48] <bddebian> and robotgeek and Burgundavia ;-P
[04:48] <LaserJock> I discovered Jabber today, thanks to raphink
[04:48] <robotgeek> hi bddebian
[04:48] <zakame> ooh
[04:49] <robotgeek> LaserJock: maybe you want to give me a hand with this program?
[04:50] <LaserJock> if I can, I'm kinda busy tonight
[04:50] <robotgeek> LaserJock: http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/opende/ode-0.5.tgz
[04:51] <robotgeek> take your time, if you get that done, i can go thru it and finish off the rest
[04:51] <LaserJock> robotgeek: so what do you need?
[04:52] <robotgeek> i got thru the dh_make stage, but the program doesn't use autoconf, but some weird thing which uses a configuration tool. to make it worse, i think it's a library
[04:52] <Burgundavia> hello all
[04:54] <LaserJock> hi Burgundavia
[04:55] <LaserJock> robotgeek: it looks like you just need to patch the config/user-settings
[04:56] <robotgeek> that file doesn't have much LaserJock
[04:58] <LaserJock> robotgeek: but I think you need to patch config/user-settings to have the appropriate values and then you can use debian/rules to do make configure
[04:59] <robotgeek> LaserJock: or is it config/makefile.unix-gcc
[05:00] <LaserJock> robotgeek: no, you set PLATFORM in the user-settings to unix-gcc
[05:01] <robotgeek> yeah, and then it picks up config/makefile.unix-gcc as the Makefile to use, in addition to the one in the top dir
[05:02] <LaserJock> right, but all you have to do is patch the config/user-settings
[05:02] <robotgeek> hmm, okay. since i'm lost, i'll go back and give DNMG a rereading, maybe there's something i'm missing
[05:03] <LaserJock> robotgeek: actually, it doesn't look like you need to even patch it. It should just work
[05:04] <robotgeek> LaserJock: i need to add a make install , i am unsure of where to put it in
[05:04] <LaserJock> robotgeek: well, you might have to patch makefile.unix-gcc for the X libs
[05:05] <LaserJock> robotgeek: you don't need to add a make install, you could just do it in rules
[05:05] <robotgeek> hmm, okay.
[05:05] <LaserJock> robotgeek: look at the INSTALL file
[05:06] <robotgeek> okay, there
[05:06] <robotgeek> i just need to copy that last part for the install, right? in rules?
[05:07] <LaserJock> right except you don't want to install into /usr/local/
[05:07] <robotgeek> yeah, needs to go to /usr/lib
[05:08] <LaserJock> well, actually it will go into ${CURDIR}/debian/tmp/ode/usr/lib/ or something like that
[05:08] <robotgeek> yeah,
[05:08] <robotgeek> i just got messed up with the rules file then, i guess
[05:15] <LaserJock> robotgeek: am I making sense?
[05:15] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yes, i think i figured it out. thanks for you help!
[05:16] <LaserJock> robotgeek: ok cool, let me know if you need more
[05:16] <robotgeek> LaserJock: sure :)
[07:34] <LaserJock> anybody know of a way I could get vnc easily installed?
[07:34] <LaserJock> there are some problems right now with the dependecies
[07:57] <LaserJock> oh my gosh, no vnc packages (vnc4 or tightvnc) are building right :(
[08:01] <Mez> are they in universe?
[08:02] <Mez> LaserJock, looking for client or server?
[08:02] <LaserJock> yes, but they are FTBFS
[08:02] <LaserJock> server
[08:02] <Mez> why are they FTBFS?
[08:03] <LaserJock> dependencies + other stuff
[08:03] <Mez> whats the other stuff
[08:03] <Mez> deps are easy
[08:03] <LaserJock> malone bug #29428
[08:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29428 in vnc: "vnc (and vnc4) ships it's own XFree86 server code" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29428
[08:04] <LaserJock> I tried doko's packages but the .diff.tgz file seems to have the wrong md5sum
[08:04] <LaserJock> I also tried tightvnc but I couldn't get it to make a source package after I fixed the deps problem
[08:08] <LaserJock> right now, with doko's source package I'm getting "cp: target `xorg-server/hw/vnc/' is not a directory: No such file or director" when I try to build it in a dapper pbuilder
[08:13] <LaserJock> right now though I just need some type of vnc server so I can connect to my Ubuntu computer from home
[09:53] <siretart> morning
[09:53] <siretart> hi ajmitch :)
[09:54] <ajmitch> hi siretart :)
[09:54] <siretart> seems like debian will move to /var/run on tempfs as well
[09:55] <ajmitch> good
[09:55] <ajmitch> less work for us to fix daemons in universe :)
[09:56] <siretart> yes
[09:59] <ajmitch> I should get a few GPG sigs once they process their keysigning list
[10:00] <siretart> ah. :)
[10:02] <ajmitch> it's been a great conference so far
[10:02] <ajmitch> tomorrow morning we have sabdfl giving his keynote talk
[10:02] <ajmitch> and mjg59 is talking about acpi later
[10:18] <siretart> ajmitch: do you have a minute to review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/ReportingBugsToDebian for language/common sense?
[10:20] <ajmitch> in a min :)
[10:21] <siretart> okay
[10:21] <ajmitch> whishlist -> wishlist
[10:21] <siretart> oh
[10:22] <ajmitch> it looks ok though
[10:22] <siretart> thank you. my english spelling is cruel, I know :(
[10:23] <ajmitch> no it's better than most english speakers
[10:23] <siretart> :)
[10:23] <siretart> I've just seen a malone bug where the submitter was asked to file a bug in debian, and replied with the question 'how'
[10:24] <siretart> and I thought such a wiki page was useful anyway, so I wrote it
[10:25] <ajmitch> thank you :)
[10:26] <siretart> :)
[10:26] <siretart> reminder: the poll is open!
[10:27] <ajmitch> ah yes
[10:31] <ajmitch> can the other poll be removed?
[10:32] <siretart> If I knew how, I would do that
[10:32] <ajmitch> yes, it's launchpad.. :)
[10:32] <siretart> :)
[11:23] <dholbach> hello motu world!
[11:25] <lucas> hello dholbach
[11:25] <dholbach> hi lucas
[11:26] <lucas> dholbach: have you received some feedback from kamion/mdz regarding the UVF exc req .
[11:26] <lucas> ?
[11:29] <dholbach> lucas: seems not
[11:34] <siretart> huhu dholbach, hi lucas
[12:03] <Mithrandir> tseng: beagle whine.
[12:22] <raphink> wb dholbach
[12:22] <dholbach> re raphink
[12:24] <ajmitch> hm, I wonder if I should sit down & write up something nice & beg for a bounty for selinux stuff ;)
[12:26] <ajmitch> siretart: do you think just those 3 poll options will fit most people?
[12:27] <raphink> :)
[12:27] <raphink> hi ajmitch
[12:27] <ajmitch> hi raphink
[12:27] <ajmitch> 1400UTC == 0300NZDT
[12:28] <siretart> ajmitch: you had the opportunity to add additional options ;) - I've taken them from sistoptys email, which also didn't get answered
[12:28] <ajmitch> siretart: thanks, the opportunity is that I have to ask here first :)
[12:28] <raphink> hehe
[12:29] <ajmitch> and I've been just a little busy this week with LCA
[12:29] <raphink> ajmitch: do you have some time to review two thing on REVU?
[12:29] <ajmitch> raphink: 00:30 here
[12:30] <raphink> siretart: I coulnd't add options to the poll...
[12:30] <siretart> raphink: because the poll has already started
[12:30] <raphink> maybe because I'm not admin in the motu group
[12:31] <siretart> no, nobody can anymore
[12:31] <ajmitch> I think I just can't turn up if it ends up as tuesday :)
[12:31] <ajmitch> but that's the same for others for any time
[12:31] <raphink> siretart: no yesterday I couldn't edit it
[12:31] <siretart> oh
[12:31] <siretart> strange
[12:32] <ajmitch> because I forgot to add you as admin
[12:32] <raphink> siretart: _yesterday_, before the poll began, I couldn't edit it
[12:32] <siretart> raphink: I see. sorry, I cannot do anything about it now :(
[12:32] <raphink> yes I think so
[12:32] <raphink> could you do so ? :)
[12:32] <ajmitch> raphink: just blame me :)
[12:33] <raphink> ajmitch: hehe ;)
[12:33] <raphink> ajmitch: lucas should be an admin in the group, too
[12:34] <ajmitch> haha
[12:34] <ajmitch> I found photos of myself on someone's LCA photos
[12:34] <ajmitch> & lathiat
[12:35] <raphink> really?
[12:35] <raphink> :)
[12:35] <ajmitch> yes, really
[12:35] <ajmitch> I don't think I can set you as admin
[12:35] <ajmitch> it's not letting me
[12:35] <raphink> hehe
[12:36] <raphink> ok
[12:36] <raphink> I should ask ogra?
[12:36] <ajmitch> http://gallery.toomuchwork.net/v/Travels/New_Zealand_2006/Dunedin2/IMG_4674.JPG.html
[12:36] <ajmitch> bad photo :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> yes
[12:37] <raphink> ajmitch: which one are you?
[12:37] <raphink> ogra__: ping
[12:37] <ajmitch> raphink: guess :P
[12:37] <raphink> hmmm...
[12:37] <raphink> hehe
[12:38] <raphink> ok I'll guess the other one is not an ubuntu guy and that gives the answer ;)
[12:38] <raphink> am I right?
[12:38] <ogra__> raphink, fiex
[12:38] <ogra__> *fixed
[12:38] <ajmitch> raphink: quite right
[12:38] <raphink> thanks ogra__ :)
[12:39] <raphink> :)
[12:39] <ajmitch> raphink: if you're not sure, you can ask ogra__, he's supposedly met me before :)
[12:39] <ajmitch> though I'm not sure if he's blanked out those weeks from stress :)
[12:39] <raphink> supposedly
[12:39] <ogra__> just from preparation for the sprint :)
[12:40] <ajmitch> ah
[12:40] <ajmitch> that starts monday?
[12:41] <ajmitch> it would be nice to go, but I know it's just distro team :)
[12:42] <ogra> and its hard work, not comparable with a conference
[12:43] <ajmitch> yes, hard work+lots of stress
[12:43] <ajmitch> I wouldn't expect it to be conference like
[12:44] <ajmitch> ****ing awk yesterday
[12:45] <ajmitch> such a simple awk construct, worked differently in mawk than in gawk
[12:46] <ajmitch> mawk's regex engine is broken & incomplete
[12:47] <ajmitch> so I'll have to have the package build-dep on gawk, sigh
[01:41] <raphink> yeah
[01:41] <Yagisan> cool
[01:41] <raphink> :)
[01:42] <Yagisan> so raphink, what is your business ?
[01:42] <raphink> I mean the ubuntu cards :)
[01:42] <Yagisan> ah
[01:42] <Yagisan> still cool
[01:43] <raphink> yes :)
[01:47] <jdong_> mplayer's cpudetect routines don't work for me on a A64
[01:49] <jdong_> actually, somehow HAVE_MMX, etc are not defined
[03:01] <tseng> dholbach: do we have any answers on uvf exceptions so far?
[03:01] <tseng> dholbach: should i not bother writing more?
[03:08] <lucas> tseng: not yet
[03:08] <lucas> (U asked this morning)
[03:08] <lucas> I
[03:09] <tseng> i didnt ask any less than a day ago for sure
[03:13] <lucas> tseng: I meant "I asked" not "you asked"
[03:13] <lucas> U is too close to I on the kb for me
[03:13] <tseng> lucas: oh.
[03:18] <dholbach> tseng: writing more?
[03:18] <dholbach> tseng: as in discussing on our list?
[03:22] <ogra> whats there to answer ?
[03:23] <ogra> the process is clear, isnt it ?
[03:27] <zul> hey
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:47] <zakame> good eeeeevening MOTUs!!! :)
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[03:50] <zakame> hi bddebian :-)
[03:53] <siretart> huhu bddebian, hi zakame
[03:53] <zakame> heya siretart :)
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[04:18] <tseng> ogra: the process is clear up until the point where requests go off list to mdz
[04:19] <tseng> ogra: to get an actual answer
[04:19] <tseng> ogra: since its off list i have no idea if there was a response, or where the response will show up etc etc
[04:19] <tseng> ogra: should i bother dholbach every day until he tells me to upload?
[04:20] <tseng> ogra: (no)
[04:20] <bddebian> heh
[04:20] <dholbach> ogra: no you shouldn't
[04:20] <ogra> tseng, i think he wont answer every single request
[04:20] <dholbach> ogra: oops
[04:20] <dholbach> tseng:  you shouldn't
[04:20] <tseng> if he doesnt answer every request, how do I have any idea what to do
[04:20] <dholbach> discuss stuff on the mailing list, I'll hand stuff to Matt and Colin and report back ASAP
[04:20] <ogra> he will look ove them once a bunch is queued up
[04:20] <dholbach> We can ALL discuss the changes on the list
[04:21] <ogra> and have a short interview with dholbach or me
[04:21] <tseng> the ALL of us discussing part is nice
[04:21] <dholbach> It's nothing that needs to be blocked on me.
[04:21] <tseng> but seems to have no bearing on anything
[04:21] <zakame> hm can the MOTU LP admin add me to the group? :)
[04:21] <tseng> its just a pointless step
[04:21] <dholbach> no bearing?
[04:21] <tseng> no influence
[04:22] <dholbach> If people were in favor of doing it, I handed it to Matt.
[04:22] <dholbach> It's not a "dholbach decides" thing.
[04:22] <dholbach> I want to be sure about the stuff I hand to Matt and Colin, because they have enough to do and arguing with them is ... tough.
[04:23] <tseng> it was easier in breezy to update stuff in main than it is for universe now
[04:24] <dholbach> They want to have stuff sent to them, they want to have it batched.
[04:24] <ogra> ALL: it would be nice if prople who want to join the MOTU team could apply for it, i dont keep a list around with approved people all the time ...
[04:24] <dholbach> If you have an idea, to fix the process and not dump all the review work on one person, please tell me.
[04:25] <ogra> Ibalon, added
[04:25] <dholbach> ogra: is Ibalon a MOTU?
[04:25] <ogra> dholbach, * zakame ist jetzt bekannt als Ibalon
[04:25] <ogra> (sorry for the german)
[04:25] <dholbach> Ah, right. :-)
[04:26] <tseng> i am used to matt and colin trusting what I do and leaving things pretty relaxed even in main
[04:26] <tseng> so this is just a pretty stark change
[04:26] <tseng> to making a detailed change report and waiting weeks
[04:26] <dholbach> I wished it'd work better.
[04:26] <ogra> tseng, relaxed != dapper
[04:27] <tseng> ogra: we are talking about dapper universe
[04:27] <ogra> still we talk about software that people will use for 3-5 years worst case
[04:27] <tseng> and bugfix point relesases
[04:29] <zakame> ogra, dholbach : sorry, was away dealing with someone IRL :)
[04:31] <tseng> dholbach: could the requests to mdz at least be CC'd to the list so we can see replies?
[04:32] <dholbach> I have no reply yet and as I said: I'm going to give an update ASAP
[04:32] <dholbach> and yes, I can do it next time.
[04:32] <tseng> thanks
[04:32] <zakame> ogra: thanks for adding me btw :)
[04:32] <dholbach> :)
[04:35] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[04:35] <zakame> heya Gloubiboulga :)
[04:35] <Gloubiboulga> hi zakame
[04:57] <phanatic> hi people
[04:58] <bddebian> Hello phanatic
[04:58] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic
[04:59] <phanatic> zakame: ping
[05:11] <zakame> phanatic: pong
[05:12] <zakame> (sorry, am updating my dapper chroot atm)
[05:14] <phanatic> zakame: then sorry for disturbing. i only wanted to ask, if you have had the time for revuing my nanoweb package...
[05:15] <zakame> phanatic: I have some notes, just let me post it on REVU :)
[05:17] <phanatic> zakame: okay, thanks :)
[05:18] <zakame> phanatic: no prob :)
[05:50] <zakame> wb dholbach , JohnnyMast
[05:50] <dholbach> re
[05:53] <siretart> wb dholbach
[05:55] <zakame> wb raphink
[05:57] <raphink> ty zakame
[06:00] <cyberix> I think I just managed to package my software. Can I have some tips what I could/should do with it? And maybe some proofraeding too, as I have never packaged anything before.
[06:01] <siretart> cyberix: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide
[06:29] <cyberix> siretart: Ok, what now?
[06:32] <siretart> cyberix: so you are still thinking your package is fine? ;)
[06:32] <siretart> cyberix: if yes, you might want to upload it to revu. pass me your gpg id
[06:38] <cyberix> siretart: See launchpad id cyberix
[06:38] <cyberix> Can I post there the source package?
[06:38] <cyberix> I added debian directory to my new upstream release.
[06:39] <cyberix> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/twruottu/mi2svg/
[06:39] <siretart> cyberix: did you really read the page I told you to read?
[06:40] <cyberix> I checked with my virtual pen beside every header on the page.
[06:40] <siretart> please look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball, and http://revu.tauware.de
[06:41] <siretart> short: please don't include debian/ dirs in your upstream tarball. and please provide tar.gz as well.
[06:46] <cyberix> I put them there because I wanted to publish them somewhere, so no-one would need to dplicated that work
[06:48] <cyberix> I can't see how having them in upstream tar ball is worse than not having them at all,
[06:49] <jpatrick> cyberix: they should go in the diff.gz
[06:50] <siretart_> cyberix: that doesn't matter. you can still distribute your packaging work in the .diff.gz
[06:50] <siretart_> cyberix: I suggest to not distribute packaging work inside the .orig.tar.gz
[06:52] <LaserJock> yeah, I think the general idea is that someone can go to the dowload site of the app your packaging and download their tarball and use it in the source package
[06:54] <LaserJock> siretart_: I've got a question about reporting bugs to debian.
[06:54] <siretart_> LaserJock: yes?
[06:54] <LaserJock> siretart_: How do we link to our Malone bugs?
[06:55] <LaserJock> siretart_: should we be giving the Malone bug #s when we do a report to BTS?
[06:55] <siretart_> LaserJock: how do we link what?
[06:56] <LaserJock> I'm assuming we are doing a bug report in Debian because we have a bug in Malone
[06:58] <siretart1> LaserJock: that would be nice, but is not required, I'd say. link them by mention the url to the malone bug in the message body
[07:00] <siretart> wtf?!
[07:02] <zakame> huh?
[07:03] <siretart> my primary uplink just died
[07:05] <zakame> gaah
[07:10] <zakame> gn8 all
[07:12] <siretart> gn8 zakame
[07:12] <zakame> :)
[07:37] <ajmitch> morning all
[07:37] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[07:38] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[07:39] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[07:39] <stratus> ajmitch, :)
[07:39] <bmonty> LaserJock: hows life?
[07:39] <LaserJock> bmonty: busy, got a poster for a conference to work on, etc.
[07:40] <siretart> ajmitch: does fetchmail still work for you on tauware.de?
[07:40] <siretart> morning ajmitch
[07:40] <ajmitch> siretart: it did yesterday, I think?
[07:40] <ajmitch> I'll check
[07:40] <bmonty> LaserJock: I've been busy also...travelling all this week and part of next
[07:41] <siretart> my primary uplink is down atm, and I fiddled with the dns config, to make requests load balance over both uplinks
[07:41] <ajmitch> stratus: I keep trying to post to utnubu-discuss & the mail gets dropped somewhere
[07:41] <siretart> so I'm curious if my config works as expected :)
[07:41] <ajmitch> siretart: nope
[07:41] <ajmitch> siretart: no route to host
[07:41] <ajmitch> stratus: so I can't join in the wonderful discussions ;)
[07:41] <siretart> ajmitch: what does tauware.de resolve for you? and what does 'line2.tauware.de' have as ip?
[07:41] <stratus> ajmitch, are you receiving a error message? if yes, can you send that to me?
[07:41] <LaserJock> bmonty: yeah, but I've been working on the Ubuntu Packaging Guide and I am thinking of trying a kinda large packaging project
[07:41] <ajmitch> stratus: absolutely none
[07:42] <ajmitch> tauware.de              A       213.239.237.3
[07:42] <stratus> ajmitch, really weird
[07:42] <bmonty> LaserJock: I've been hacking on my mirror profiler app, but I'm almost ready to give up since someone keeps changing the format of the wiki page :(
[07:42] <stratus> ajmitch, are you subscribed with which email?
[07:42] <ajmitch> stratus: @debian.org
[07:42] <LaserJock> bmonty: which wiki page?
[07:42] <ajmitch> siretart: line2.tauware.de        A       213.239.249.200
[07:42] <stratus> ajmitch, ok i'll take a look, wait.
[07:43] <bmonty> LaserJock: wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[07:43] <ajmitch> I can try & resubscribe with the ubuntu.com address
[07:44] <siretart> ajmitch: I changed dns config to make tauware.de include both 213.239.237.3 and  213.239.249.200. the latter is reachable, the former not
[07:44] <LaserJock> bmonty: hmm, weird
[07:44] <ajmitch> siretart: right, so round-robin dns
[07:44] <LaserJock> bmonty: my package had it's first release in 5 years and it involves 3 packages.
[07:44] <ajmitch> it'll resolve properly about half the time?
[07:44] <bmonty> LaserJock: sounds like fun
[07:45] <ajmitch> siretart: or where did you put these 2 addresses?
[07:45] <LaserJock> bmonty: and it looks like the debian maintainer has forgotten about it :-)
[07:45] <bddebian> bmonty!!!
[07:45] <bddebian> bmonty: Haven't "seen" you in a while :-)
[07:45] <bmonty> bddebian: hey long time no see!
[07:45] <ajmitch> hi bmonty, bddebian
[07:45] <siretart> ajmitch: apache/webbrowsers seem really to do 'fail over' in this config. my website works for me fine, on every reload
[07:46] <ajmitch> siretart: but tauware.de is only resolving to the bad ip address for me :)
[07:46] <ajmitch> siretart: it'll be cached in a DNS server somewhere
[07:46] <siretart> ajmitch: 194.8.57.12 gives the correct dns data
[07:46] <siretart> (no, this is not my dns server, but the one from nobse ;)
[07:46] <ajmitch> siretart: sure, but there's a long ttl, and any of the dns servers that I use will cache the old data
[07:47] <siretart> right
[07:47] <bmonty> LaserJock: is this another chemistry related package?
[07:47] <siretart> ajmitch: I just wanted to point you how you can reach your email atm: line2.tauware.de
[07:47] <ajmitch> which I find hard to believe
[07:47] <ajmitch> so mail delivery may be broken too?
[07:48] <LaserJock> bmonty: no, it's Scigraphica. A Microcal Origin clone.
[07:48] <ajmitch> mx.tauware.de.          54286   IN      A       213.239.237.3
[07:48] <ajmitch> single MX record :)
[07:49] <siretart> ajmitch: I just checked the maildir, it is indeed empty. but mail delivery to tauware is down atm anyway, for obvious reasons ;)
[07:49] <stratus> ajmitch, that's weird but i can't take a look into the admin interface, btw i asked nomeata to do that.
[07:50] <ajmitch> siretart: you haven't added another MX record on the other ip address?
[07:50] <siretart> ajmitch: I added it a few hours before the crash
[07:50] <ajmitch> ah
[07:50] <ajmitch> caching still, perhaps
[07:50] <siretart> no, I didn't knew that the crash will come ;)
[07:50] <ajmitch> haha
[07:51] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[07:52] <LaserJock> is he talking?
[07:52] <ajmitch> yes
[07:53] <LaserJock> cool
[07:53] <LaserJock> do you know what about?
[07:53] <ajmitch> well he will be talking, giving his keynote an about an hour
[07:53] <ajmitch> http://lca2006.linux.org.au/abstract.php?id=463
[07:53] <LaserJock> will it be on the internet at some point?
[07:53] <ajmitch> yes
[07:54] <LaserJock> cool, I really liked the Debconf5 talk
[07:54] <ajmitch> yeah
[07:54] <ajmitch> LCA is an ever bigger conference
[07:56] <ajmitch> yesterday was damien conway talking about perl six, before that was david miller talking about linux networking
[07:56] <stratus> btw, nice talk title
[07:56] <ajmitch> and they're just the keynotes
[07:56] <ajmitch> http://linux.conf.au/program.php
[07:57] <ajmitch> plenty of fun to go around :)
[07:57] <stratus> "Improving Collaboration Between Open Source Projects"
[07:58] <ajmitch> yep
[07:59] <ajmitch> for that was have crack^Wlaunchpad
[07:59] <stratus> i hope they remember about debian^Wother stuff too
[07:59] <ajmitch> so he'll talk about it a little
[07:59] <stratus> s/they/he/
[07:59] <ajmitch> sure
[08:00] <ajmitch> launchpad is not the one central place, especially being proprietary still :)
[08:00] <LaserJock> is there a plan to eventually release the LP source?
[08:01] <ajmitch> I hope so
[08:01] <ajmitch> I think it's an indefinite plan
[08:01] <Mithrandir> LaserJock: it's being said that we want to do so, at some point, but I think the timeline is not there.
[08:01] <stratus> yes, the point is that we (as a community) needed a entire agency (nasa, anyone?) with multiple launchpads and not only one.
[08:02] <stratus> of course that Canonical shouldn't be the source of all the magical solutions
[08:02] <LaserJock> I hope they get the xml-rpc thing going. I bought the Python Cookbook the other day and it has some info on doing xml-rpc from Python. It looked pretty cool
[08:02] <ajmitch> stratus: I think he sees it as being far more beneficial when a community builds around 1 central instance, until some sort of critical mass sustains it
[08:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's the problem with being closed for now
[08:03] <ajmitch> we can't look at it & submit patches :)
[08:03] <LaserJock> that is what I was thinking
[08:03] <stratus> ajmitch, of course it's a succesful model (sourceforge) but now we need to do the second step.
[08:03] <ajmitch> though I've heard that it'd currently take weeks for someone to actually get in & understand the code
[08:03] <LaserJock> or years in my case :(
[08:03] <stratus> LaserJock, all the webservices thing is cool in this way (xml-rpc, soap, whatever) and python has good tools to play with that
[08:04] <stratus> ajmitch, have you heard about linux kernel? :)
[08:04] <ajmitch> stratus: I think I might have ;)
[08:04] <ajmitch> stratus: I saw linus around LCA a couple of days ago
[08:04] <stratus> ajmitch, what you said about take weeks to understand codes?
[08:04] <ajmitch> stratus: launchpad is a complex zope app, need I say more? ;)
[08:04] <LaserJock> anybody know David Schleef from Debian?
[08:05] <stratus> ajmitch, no i've enough experience with plone and zope is a interesting beast
[08:05] <stratus> LaserJock, no.
[08:05] <ajmitch> stratus: zope 3, actually
[08:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I know of him
[08:05] <ajmitch> and have seen him around irc
[08:05] <stratus> ajmitch, is launchpad over zope 3?
[08:05] <ajmitch> stratus: zope 3 is a nice improvement in a number of areas
[08:05] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm trying to figure out if he is MIA
[08:06] <ajmitch> yes, they're using it now
[08:06] <stratus> ajmitch, sure.
[08:06] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I doubt it
[08:06] <stratus> ajmitch, good for the project.
[08:06] <ajmitch> stratus: steve alexander is heavily involved with zope 3 development, as I understand it
[08:06] <ajmitch> and he leads LP development
[08:07] <ajmitch> stratus: btw have you though about joining the debian/ubuntu zope team? ;)
[08:07] <stratus> ajmitch, great all the raw power is there so.
[08:07] <ogra> ajmitch, hey, why has nobody packaged eduplone yet
[08:08] <stratus> ajmitch, i think i mailed debian/ubuntu zope team about something with the latest packages (i need to check what it was exactly)
[08:08] <ajmitch> ogra: because noone has told me about it, and doko is busy? :)
[08:08] <ogra> hehe
[08:08] <ajmitch> stratus: ok, latest packages of what?
[08:08] <stratus> ajmitch, i think that debian/ubuntu zope related stuff is in good shape, no?
[08:08] <ajmitch> I've got a few bugs+patches to file
[08:08] <stratus> ajmitch, plone.
[08:08] <ogra> ajmitch, its already 3 years old, and even i only heard about it yesterday
[08:08] <stratus> i've mailed the ML about a issue that i had with my latest setup
[08:08] <ajmitch> stratus: quite good stuff, we had kobold doing packaging as a google SoC project
[08:08] <stratus> i think it wasn't a bug report but a suggestion, i need to check.
[08:09] <ajmitch> and we've switched to a nicer system for handling product installation
[08:09] <stratus> ajmitch, yes i see that, really cool stuff, atm i think i can help more with bug reports and disturbing with random mails to the ML.
[08:10] <stratus> ajmitch, i've enough stuff todo and a lot more that i won't do (but i need to) in the upcoming months.
[08:10] <ajmitch> stratus: I understand
[08:10] <ajmitch> stratus: my mail that got lost was about me wanting to help out with utnubu & helping to get more packages in, as you have
[08:11] <ajmitch> since I'm one of the few developers (we need more) who's in both camps & isn't working for canonical :)
[08:11] <stratus> ajmitch, in a way i'm the RM of a entire CDD, ogra knows about what i'm talking about. It's cool and i'm having a lot of fun on this project, but it takes a lot of time.
[08:11] <ajmitch> oh, what CDD is this?
[08:11] <ajmitch> ogra: would you like eduplone packaged sometime? :)
[08:11] <stratus> ajmitch, it's called Sacix, it's focused on community telecentres. I work in a non-profit and we've some common goals with edubuntu and others really different.
[08:12] <ajmitch> great :)
[08:13] <stratus> ajmitch, it really is and we're moving the site to a plone based one due to obvious reasons and the need of translated pages.
[08:13] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, sadly i have no clue about zope product packaging ... i tried to get it running already, but somehow it eats more time that it should for a low prio task :/
[08:13] <ajmitch> ogra: I don't see eduplone as standalone product, but 2 addon products on their site
[08:13] <ajmitch> ogra: zope packaging is easy enough, I'll take a look next week :)
[08:13] <ogra> that'd be so cool :)
[08:14] <ogra> since i currently struggle with some weird moodle security holes, we wont include it for a 3/5 year release
[08:14] <ajmitch> I can't talk on irc much longer this morning, I have to go & psych myself up for listening to talks :)
[08:14] <ogra> so eduplone might be a replacement ...
[08:15] <ogra> go listen !
[08:15] <ajmitch> hm, I saw some moodle guys around here lately
[08:15] <stratus> oh, but moodle is a interesting piece of code and has really useful features
[08:15] <ajmitch> at least they were wearing a moodle shirt - I know catalyst in NZ supports moodle :)
[08:15] <ajmitch> anyway, I'll be back on irc in a few hours
[08:16] <stratus> there's people using it seriously here in Brazil (and we're too)
[08:16] <LaserJock> I got interested in moodle when I was thinking about having a teaching area for development of contributors for Ubuntu
[08:17] <stratus> ogra, btw i think that we're still on road to a first pkg-ltsp release (in Debian, of course) in the middle of the next month.
[08:17] <stratus> LaserJock, sounds good but it's educational stuff so go with edubuntu and put more workload over ogra.
[08:18] <ogra> heh
[08:18] <stratus> ;)
[08:18] <ogra> we wanted to include it into edubuntu since the beginning
[08:18] <LaserJock> well, I don't know if it would even be a good idea. I just had a braindump when we started MOTU School
[08:18] <ogra> but the vulnerabilitys are simply to much
[08:18] <LaserJock> right, that is what I saw
[08:19] <ogra> for next release i think i'll grab a good bunch from MOTUSience for edubuntu :)
[08:19] <LaserJock> really?
[08:19] <ogra> sure
[08:19] <stratus> ogra, does moodle still needs safe_mode off and all that? I'm not managing the two installations we've here for some time.
[08:19] <ogra> we started with a very small low age distro ...
[08:20] <ogra> this release will rather target mid age but be configurable for younger or older students
[08:20] <LaserJock> I'm trying to fight the science == education stigma (as far as menus are concerned anyway) but it is cool to have stuff there for people.
[08:20] <ogra> so logically next release we'll grow up and have educational apps even for old farts :)
[08:21] <LaserJock> like me :(
[08:21] <ogra> stratus, for some tasks it does
[08:21] <ogra> depends what modules you want to use
[08:25] <stratus> ogra, still crap.
[08:25] <ogra> yup
[08:25] <stratus> ogra, but as i said it's still has some value
[08:26] <stratus> ogra, the module handling and the l18n related code i always point out to the development team here, for reference.
[08:26] <ogra> yup, teachers simply want it ...
[08:31] <ajmitch> ogra: before I go - where can I even download eduplone? I don't see any download links on their site
[08:31] <ajmitch> cvs looks a little stale
[08:32] <ogra> i think they only have cvs for linux
[08:32] <ogra> and a exe with plone included for windows
[08:32] <ogra> both from sourceforge.net
[08:33] <ajmitch> ok
[08:33] <ajmitch> crappy upstream
[08:35] <ajmitch> ogra: devel list has a total of 1 post for 2005
[08:35] <ajmitch> sorry, 2.. just 1 thread :)
[08:36] <ogra> heh, yes
[08:36] <ogra> but there is a existing irc channel :)
[08:36] <ogra> 3 ppl including me are there :)
[08:37] <ajmitch> wow
[08:37] <ajmitch> I'll look into it later then :)
[08:37] <bddebian> Do we have any wiki page on chroot?
[08:42] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[08:43] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: Thank you
[08:47] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[09:36] <ajmitch> well, looks like the keynote is 1hr later than I thought - to let everyone partially recover from hangovers, no doubt ;)
[09:44] <KoruptidPryde> does anyone know where I can get the linux headers for 2.6.15-11?
[09:48] <LaserJock> doko: ping?
[09:48] <owner> does ubuntu release their kernel patches for users to apply?
[09:49] <doko> LaserJock: ?
[09:49] <LaserJock> doko: I'm needing vnc so I was trying your packages from malone bug 29428
[09:49] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29428 in vnc "vnc (and vnc4) ships it's own XFree86 server code" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29428
[09:50] <LaserJock> doko: but they failed to build in my dapper pbuilder
[09:51] <doko> these even don't unpack for me ...
[09:51] <LaserJock> doko: wich ones? the ones from Bjoern Brauel seem to have a md5sum problem
[09:52] <LaserJock> doko: I also tried tightvnc but it also has problems
[09:52] <doko> so, yes, it needs some workl
[09:52] <KoruptidPryde> okay...... are they ever going to push ndiswrapper-modules-1.8 to the repo?
[09:57] <LaserJock> doko: anway, is there anything I can do to help?
[09:59] <doko> LaserJock: sure, it looks like nobody is working on tightvnc, maybe start with that one? or subscribe to the bug report, so you see Bjoern's replies?
[10:01] <LaserJock> doko: I'll see what I can do with tightvnc and subscribe to the bugs
[10:01] <doko> LaserJock: thanks!
[10:10] <LaserJock> hmm, something is weird with tightvnc. the diff.gz is 300K
[10:23] <LaserJock> anybody got a minute to help me on something? I can't get tightvnc to build a source package
[10:23] <LaserJock> it looks like it is dying in the clean rule
[10:32] <LaserJock> hmm, this is really frustrating
[11:10] <crimsun> LaserJock: pastebin buildd log?
[11:12] <LaserJock> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7705 is when I do debuild -S on a fresh download of the source package
[11:16] <crimsun> LaserJock: ah, lemme see if I can dig up the fix I used for something similar
[11:17] <LaserJock> crimsun: that would be wonderful, thanks
[11:18] <phanatic> hi people
[11:18] <crimsun> LaserJock: yep, here's the fix from xkeycaps's debian/rules:
[11:19] <crimsun>         imake -DUseInstalled -I/etc/X11/config/cf/ \
[11:19] <crimsun>               -D`dpkg --print-architecture`
[11:20] <LaserJock> crimsun: hmm, but I don't know where that would go
[11:21] <crimsun> LaserJock: there should be a $(MAKE) rule in your clean target
[11:21] <LaserJock> crimsun: right
[11:21] <crimsun> the kludge I used is to comment it out and use the above lines
[11:22] <LaserJock> oh, so replace -$(MAKE) clean with ^^ ?
[11:22] <crimsun> you may not even need to comment it out
[11:22] <crimsun> just make sure you have those two lines above your $(MAKE)
[11:22] <LaserJock> or in addition too?
[11:22] <LaserJock> oh, ok. I'll try that
[11:22] <crimsun> try adding it first
[11:23] <crimsun> there's bound to be a much better solution
[11:28] <LaserJock> crimsun: just putting it in before the -$(MAKE) clean didn't help, should I try commenting it out?
[11:29] <crimsun> let me see
[11:34] <crimsun> (I suppose it helps if I log into the correct machine)
[11:34] <LaserJock> lol
[11:37] <crimsun> LaserJock: 1.2.9-8ubuntu1, correct?
[11:39] <LaserJock> crimsun: right
[11:50] <crimsun> LaserJock: the $(MAKE) references are all fine; it's the xmkmf references that screw things up
[11:50] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[11:50] <crimsun> LaserJock: and there's a missing build-dep on the 'makedepend' package
[11:51] <crimsun> LaserJock: comment out all references to xmkmf and replace them with those two lines above
[11:51] <crimsun> (make sure you do the (cd Xvnc; imake [..] )
[11:51] <LaserJock> ok, just a sec
[11:52] <crimsun> (I presume you're bumping it to debhelper v5, too)
[11:53] <LaserJock> crimsun: beautiful
[11:54] <LaserJock> crimsun: should I (debhelper 5) I just saw the lintian warning
[11:54] <crimsun> it's a good idea to
[11:54] <LaserJock> crimsun: I don't want to mess around with the debian package too much
[11:54] <crimsun> fixing the ftbfs is fine, too
[11:54] <crimsun> :)
[11:54] <LaserJock> but if you think it's ok, I'll do it
[11:55] <crimsun> I generally try to keep deviations from Debian minimal, so if you just want to fix the ftbfs, that's A-OK
[11:58] <LaserJock> ok, well now that I have a source package I can see if it builds :-)