[02:36] <Xoritor> wow
[02:36] <Xoritor> thats all i have to say
[02:36] <Xoritor> wow
[08:58] <ubijtsa> Xoritor: about what...
[01:35] <E0x> morning
[01:40] <spike> 'morning E0x
[01:43] <E0x> squid or dansguard what is better choose ?
[01:43] <E0x> err squidguard*
[02:07] <spike> how is packages inclusion regulated?
[02:08] <spike> I was wondering why we should get alsa stuff by default, doesnt sound really useful on a server
[02:08] <E0x> true
[02:09] <spike> ehehe /me realizes know the "fun" of alsa-packages not 'sounding' useful
[02:09] <spike> :P
[02:13] <spike> also, I do understand you could use dapper-server to install a wifi hotspot, but what's the point of wireless-tools too?
[02:14] <spike> we should either include more stuff, and that's not possible, or just including wireless-tools pkg isnt that useful imho
[02:15] <spike> and uhm, pcmciautils too, what's the point?
[02:16] <spike> then, since the installation process offers a lvm partitioning options, and lvm2 tools are included, why also including evms ones?
[02:17] <spike> if you prefer evms you can install it afterwards and redo ur config
[02:20] <spike> last for now: why do we get mdadm up and running even if no raid has been created?
[02:21] <spike> I see the dependences makes it impossible to remove the pkg, and that's ok, but at least, if at install time no raid has been created, mdadm should be run @ boot
[03:02] <lamont-away> spike: anything with a PCI bus can have PCMCIA.  not necessarily common on a server, but I expect that it does exist.
[03:04] <spike> lamont-away: I c. what about wireless, alsa and evms packages?
[03:04] <lamont-away> one reason I might add pcmcia to a server would be to plug in a wireless card, generally just for connectivity, or to act as the AP
[03:05] <lamont-away> ISTR alsa gets involved in some winmodem support, which might be useful (I can think of one machine that, if it had a winmodem, I'd want that on..)
[03:05] <lamont-away> as for default install, it might not hurt to not have it there.
[03:05] <spike> keep in mind here I'm talking of default install here
[03:06] <spike> ok, that's what I meant
[03:06] <spike> all of them of course can make sense on a server too, but not as default imho
[03:06] <lamont-away> ubuntu-standard is driven more by "if you show up at a random machine, what do you expect to be there" than it is by just ubuntu-server...  not sure which meta package is sucking in these parts, but if it's ubuntu-standard, then it probably wants to stay
[03:08] <morrow> pcmcia could also be usefull fuer some smartcard readers...
[03:08] <morrow> but i think this is already to specialized on a default install
[03:08] <spike> exactly
[03:08] <spike> *default* is the key here
[05:33] <spike> have you seen this? http://hands.com/d-i/
[05:34] <spike> any chance to get it into ubuntu? also,it sounds nice for the NetworkBoot project too
[11:58] <troy> good evening folks