[12:37] <flint> ogra, Hey ollie!!
[05:17] <flint> ogra, I am finally getting the test lab up and running...
[01:27] <ogra> hey flint, thats cool :)
[03:34] <scribe63> anyone know where to get edubuntu rss feeds
[03:35] <ogra> what kind of rss feeds ? 
[03:36] <scribe63> I have been using Akregator on KDE, it has rss news feeds for ubuntu, kubuntu and kde. So i was wondering if there is a source for edubuntu rss news feeds.
[03:37] <ogra> nope
[03:37] <scribe63> thanks
[03:37] <ogra> if you mean planet, we dont have such thing yet ...
[03:38] <ogra> but that would be a good idea for the near future though 
[03:40] <scribe63> the one's i see are like Ubuntu Fridge, Kubuntu and yeah Planet KDE. Not sure how this gets implimented though. Just started using that type of service.
[03:42] <ogra> since edubuntu is mainly a one man show developer wise, and i'm a lazy blogger, a edubuntu developer planet wouldnt make much sense, but  there are a lot of additional activities going on where it would make sense to have an aggregating site of user blogs
[03:42] <ogra> additionally i normally send the bigger news items to the fridge ...
[03:45] <scribe63> Cool, didn't know the ed -in- ubuntu was a one man show, will check the fridge then. Trying to keep abreast of experiences and usage of schooltool/bell and moodle.
[03:45] <ogra> :)
[03:46] <ogra> (it would be nice if it wasnt a one man show ;) )
[05:10] <steelballz> can anyone help me with an ltsp question?
[05:11] <ogra> sure
[05:12] <steelballz> With other distro's I run ltspadmin is there something similar so I can check to see if everything is working with out checking everything individually
[05:13] <ogra> in edubuntu ltsp is installed and configured in most parts out of the box
[05:13] <ogra> the only thing you have to do is to edit the dhcpd config, like dscribed in the install notes
[05:14] <ogra> (see this channels topic)
[05:14] <ogra> dont ever run ltspadmin on a edubuntu ltsp
[05:14] <steelballz> gotcha thanks
[05:14] <ogra> :)
[05:15] <ogra> if you have any probs dont hassle to ask here :)
[05:15] <steelballz> I am hand installing everything so I just wanted to make sure everything is running
[05:15] <steelballz> thanks again
[05:16] <ogra> oh, ok, so you dont use edubuntu ? 
[05:16] <steelballz> No I do but I am using the latest version of live amd 64 and I have to install the 32 bit client seperately
[05:17] <ogra> oh, ok
[05:17] <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror http://archive.ubuntu.com/ 
[05:17] <ogra> that should be it ...
[05:17] <steelballz> I was working with you on this a week ago but I unfortunately haven't been able to get back to it until now
[05:17] <ogra> yup, i remember
[05:18] <ogra> if you have a i386 Cd handy, its even easier and faster to use this as the mirror
[05:19] <steelballz> I was actually going to build create a live 20060125  i386. It is pretty stable and install the i386 from that
[05:20] <ogra> hmm, not sure if it works with a livecd
[05:20] <steelballz> sorry i mean daily
[05:20] <ogra> ah :)
[05:21] <steelballz> I have your instructions on how to install it from the cd
[05:21] <ogra> ok
[05:24] <steelballz> So if I install the amd64 and add the i386 client and I use the deault ip settings of 192.168.0.254 am I good to go or are there other services or file mods i need to work on?
[05:24] <ogra> only the dhcpd.conf 
[05:25] <steelballz> Excellent thanks
[05:25] <ogra> the services are the same on all arches, ltsp-build-client cares for the kernel being copied into place and ltsp-update-sshkeys cares for ssh
[05:25] <ogra> (the latter is run by the former ;) )
[05:28] <steelballz> Oh so the ltsp-build-client takes care of the ssh
[05:29] <ogra> yup
[05:34] <steelballz> What have you found to be the best value thin client hardware?
[05:36] <ogra> the ones sold at disklessworkstations.com are all quite nice
[05:36] <gand> Is there a way to automatic restart machine after power outage?
[05:37] <steelballz> gand: that is a setting in your bios
[05:37] <ogra> thats a BIOS settin
[05:37] <ogra> g
[05:38] <gand> how to set it?
[05:38] <ogra> in your BIOS settings 
[05:38] <ogra> (but only if the mainboard supports it indeed)
[05:39] <ogra> most server mainboards do
[05:39] <gand> Mac G4?
[05:39] <ogra> no idea, sorry
[05:40] <gand> nothing trough software?
[05:40] <ogra> how would you do that  ?
[05:40] <gand> I'm running edubuntu PC
[05:40] <gand> PPC
[05:40] <ogra> it can only be done in firmware/bios
[05:41] <ogra> dunno if openfirmware supports such settings
[05:41] <gand> On OS X there is a check in the system preference, I supposed there was something similar
[05:41] <ogra> nope
[05:42] <ogra> as i said, you need to access the firmware directly 
[05:43] <gand> ok thanks
[05:56] <steelballz> ogra: what is the file i mod if I am using eth2 instead of eth0?
[05:57] <ogra>  /etc/network/interfaces (or use the network gui tool) and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[05:57] <ogra> dont forget to restart the dhcp server
[06:38] <gregL31> anyone new to edubuntu?
[06:43] <steelballz> ogra: The client came up but it's not working. It gets the ip but i get "TFTP prefix: /ltsp/" then several "trying to load: pxelinux.cfg*" then a "Could not find kernel image: linux"
[06:44] <ogra> linux ???
[06:44] <ogra> that should read vmlinuz
[06:45] <ogra> look in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/
[06:46] <ogra> there should be vmlinuz (a link to the real image ) and initrd.img
[06:47] <steelballz> yes there is
[06:47] <ogra> and the pxelinux.cfg dir is there as well  
[06:47] <ogra> ?
[06:48] <steelballz> yes
[06:48] <ogra> look in the file "default" inside this dir
[06:48] <ogra> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash
[06:48] <ogra> should be the only line in there
[06:49] <steelballz> that is correct
[06:49] <ogra> fine 
[06:49] <ogra> paste your dhcpd.conf to a pastenbin please 
[06:50] <steelballz> I am on another pc with x-chat. I will switch but that will take me a minute
[06:50] <ogra> oki
[07:24] <steelballz> ogra: are you still on?
[07:24] <ogra> yup
[07:26] <steelballz> ogra: i am an irc noobe and for some reason i cant\'t connect on the server I just built. It keeps saying "Connecting to local host (127.0.0.1)" I don't know why it's trying to do that
[07:26] <steelballz> maybe i will just use sneaker net and copy the files to my usb flash
[07:27] <ogra> just make sure the filename and root-path entrys in your config are right
[07:28] <ogra> filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[07:28] <ogra>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[07:29] <ogra> thats how it should look like
[07:30] <roy> tada
[07:30] <ogra> tada ?  :)
[07:30] <roy> ogra: what did you want me to do again
[07:31] <ogra> just make sure the filename and root-path entrys in your config are right
[07:31] <ogra>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[07:31] <ogra> filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[07:31] <ogra> thats how it should look like
[07:31] <roy> I thought you wanted me to send you something
[07:32] <ogra> yes, the dhcpd.conf you use ... but mainly to see these two lines
[07:35] <roy> How do I send you the file? sorry
[07:35] <ogra> paste it to a pastebin 
[07:36] <roy> And that is where
[07:37] <ogra> paste.ubuntulinux.nl is one i think
[07:37] <roy> What i mean is, is pastebin something on xchat?
[07:38] <ogra> nope, a web form
[07:40] <roy> I not sure what that is can I just paste it her?
[07:40] <roy> authoritative;
[07:40] <roy> subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
[07:40] <roy>   range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250;
[07:40] <roy>   option domain-name "example.com";
[07:40] <roy>   option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;
[07:40] <roy>   option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;
[07:40] <roy>   option routers 192.168.0.1;
[07:40] <roy>   option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
[07:40] <roy>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[07:40] <roy>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[07:40] <roy> }
[07:41] <ogra> no, please dont paste in the channel next time
[07:41] <ogra> (other channels block you out if you paste more than five lines)
[07:42] <ogra> the file looks ok
[07:42] <ogra> can you do: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf ? 
[07:43] <ogra> tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot -v
[07:43] <ogra> thats what should come out 
[07:44] <roy> there is no -v
[07:44] <ogra> thats only for logging ...
[07:44] <ogra> important is that the former stuff is identical
[07:45] <roy> otherwise it is exactly the same
[07:45] <ogra> ok
[07:45] <ogra> ps ax|grep inetd 
[07:45] <ogra> (should give you a running inetd process)
[07:46] <roy> It's only 2 lines can I paste that
[07:46] <ogra> sure
[07:47] <roy>  4984 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[07:47] <roy>  8100 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep inetd
[07:47] <ogra> just not complete files ;)
[07:47] <ogra> thats fine as well
[07:47] <ogra> can you do the same for dhcpd ?
[07:49] <roy> 5699 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[07:49] <roy>  8154 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep dhcpd
[07:50] <ogra> hmm, looks fine as well
[07:50] <ogra> i wonder why it doesnt get the kernel then
[07:51] <ogra> (and why it looks for the wrong name)
[07:51] <ogra> you are sure youre not having any other dhcp server running in the net ?
[07:54] <roy> Oh my God - sorry. I just hit myself in the head. I forgot about that. I'll turn it off now. 
[07:54] <ogra> heh
[07:55] <ogra> the two most common probs: running ltspadmin in edubuntu, having a running dhcpd anywhere else in the net 
[07:55] <ogra> i should chnage my habit of asking ;)
[07:55] <ogra> and put these two always first 
[07:57] <roy> I actually discovered that issue a couple of months ago and I already forgot. Old age. Sorry
[08:01] <roy> It is still going throught each one very slowly "Trying to load pxelinux.cfg/*" Do i need to modify something or stop and start dhcp
[08:03] <ogra> hmm, normally it should just work 
[08:17] <roy> ogra: IS there anything that could have affected a .conf setting with the firewall dhcp originally on?
[08:17] <ogra> firewall ? 
[08:17] <roy> Sorry my secondary name came up
[08:18] <roy> I'm steelballz
[08:18] <ogra> yes
[08:18] <ogra> i grokked that
[08:19] <roy> huh?
[08:19] <ogra> if you only have the edubuntu dhcp running, the clients should cleanly boot 
[08:21] <roy> any other ideas?
[08:24] <ogra> not really ... you dhcpd seems to be configured right and your tftpd as well ...
[08:24] <roy> Is there anything I can run on the server to monitor the proccess
[08:24] <ogra> ps/top ...
[08:24] <ogra> or the gnome-system-monitor ...
[08:25] <ogra> the ip of the interface your thin clients are connected to matches the dhcp server range you configured ? 
[08:27] <roy> I didn't modify the file I just configued my nic at 192.168.0.254 and the client is getting an IP address of 192.168.0.250
[08:28] <ogra> dont configure it between 192.168.0.20 and 192.168.0.250 ... take 192.168.0.10 for example ...
[08:28] <ogra> the server shouldnt have an ip in the dynamic range ...
[08:29] <ogra> but still thats not the cause of your problem 
[08:29] <ogra> the clients are dfinately PXE clients ? 
[08:31] <roy> The server is at 192.168.0.254 and the client is a comaq workstation with a Intel nic which has worked on all other distro's
[08:32] <roy> Is there any other info you would like to know that comes up when the client boots?
[08:32] <ogra> nope
[08:32] <ogra> put the server to 192.168.0.10
[08:33] <roy> ok
[08:33] <ogra> that it worked on other distros doesnt mean it uses PXE
[08:33] <ogra> do you see PXE messages on the screen on boot
[08:36] <roy> Yes i do. For some reason after I changed the server IP the client came up still trying to connect to 192.168.0.254
[08:37] <ogra> always restart the dhcpd afetr changing the ip
[08:38] <roy> What is the command line for dhcp restart
[08:39] <ogra> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[08:45] <roy> after restarting dhcp it still fails
[08:46] <ogra> it still gets the wrong server ip ??
[08:47] <roy> no it now says 192.168.0.10
[08:48] <ogra> still the same error ? 
[08:48] <roy> the same "trying to load..."
[08:49] <roy> Would you like to remote on the box or am i asking to much
[08:51] <ogra> not now, i have to pack my bags, flying at 6am tomorrow ...
[08:51] <ogra> but its very strange
[08:51] <roy> I appreciate the effort today
[08:51] <ogra> seems all is configured right on your box
[08:51] <ogra> it should work... and i cant imagine why it wouldnt
[08:52] <ogra> can you look in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/ and confirm there is the -i386 kernel ? 
[08:52] <roy> Since you will be gone a while is there any thing I can read 
[08:52] <ogra> i wont be gone a while := 
[08:52] <ogra> i'll be here tomorrow again
[08:53] <roy> ok : )
[08:54] <ogra> please check that you really have the i386 image in the tftp directory... thats the only thing i could imagine that might be wrong... we did chaeck everything else
[08:54] <roy> initrd.img-2.6.15-13-386 and vmlinuz-2.6.15-13-386
[08:54] <ogra> looks ok
[08:55] <roy> amd64 is also there
[08:55] <ogra> where do the links point to ? 
[08:55] <ogra> (vmlinuz and initrd.img)
[08:57] <roy> your testing my linux skills. I forgot how to command line to determine that
[08:57] <ogra> ls -l 
[08:58] <roy> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      24 2006-01-28 10:50 initrd.img -> initrd.img-2.6.15-13-386
[08:58] <roy> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      21 2006-01-28 10:50 vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.15-13-386
[08:58] <ogra> looks fine 
[08:58] <roy> i must be doing something stupid
[08:59] <ogra> its dapper ....
[09:00] <roy> I could never get this to work in amd64 but it always has worked fine if I installi386
[09:00] <ogra> it might be a breakage anywhere else ...
[09:02] <ogra> hmm
[09:02] <ogra> lets try something else 
[09:03] <ogra> do the following:
[09:03] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get install syslinux
[09:04] <ogra> sudo cp /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/
[09:04] <ogra> then try again 
[09:05] <roy> Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/pool/main/s/syslinux/syslinux_3.11-3ubuntu1_i386.deb  File not found
[09:05] <roy> nevermind
[09:05] <ogra> oh
[09:05] <ogra> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/
[09:06] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get update
[09:06] <ogra> then run the above again
[09:08] <roy> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main syslinux 3.11-3ubuntu1 [208kB] 
[09:08] <roy> Fetched 208kB in 1s (195kB/s)
[09:08] <roy> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[09:09] <ogra> thats ok
[09:09] <ogra> now copy the pxelinux binary over 
[09:09] <ogra> and try to boot again
[09:09] <ogra> (the client)
[09:10] <roy> When I ran the install syslinux It didn't look like it ran successfully at all
[09:11] <ogra> look if the pxelinux file is there 
[09:12] <roy> you mean in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp$
[09:12] <ogra> sudo cp /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/
[09:12] <ogra> i mean the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 file
[09:13] <roy> I see it
[09:13] <roy> I'm rebooting the client
[09:13] <ogra> could you copy the file ? 
[09:13] <ogra> (was it there ? )
[09:14] <roy> It didn't give an error when I ran your command line so I assume it did
[09:14] <ogra> or did cp give an "file not found" error
[09:14] <ogra> ah, great
[09:14] <ogra> lets see then
[09:14] <roy> same results
[09:15] <roy> Do I have to wait until it gets to that file?
[09:15] <ogra> sure, it should load the pxelinux.cfg and then load the kernel ...
[09:16] <roy> it's still on pxelinux.cfg/CAO800
[09:17] <ogra> hmm
[09:17] <roy> and it goes very very slow
[09:18] <ogra> that looks rather like a network problem to me ...
[09:18] <ogra> "it loads but is slow" at least indicates that the server serves 
[09:21] <roy> you are very patient
[09:22] <roy> it's on pxelinux.cfg/default and nothing is happening
[09:22] <roy> I'm going to try another client just for snicks
[09:23] <ogra> yup
[09:23] <roy> Back in a minute
[09:23] <ogra> it really sounds like a network prob rather than a server prob
[09:28] <roy> I tried another client and it fails the same. I have run Centos-ltsp and FC4-ltsp with no trouble on the same setup
[09:28] <ogra> they are completely different implementations
[09:29] <roy> Should I try connecting to the server directly with a crossover cable?
[09:30] <ogra> yes, that'd be good, so you can exclude all possible network probs
[09:39] <roy> direct give me the exact same results
[09:43] <roy> I have an idea
[09:43] <roy> Will the i386 dapper live cd work
[09:44] <roy> you know just to prove thing out
[09:59] <ogra> hmm, yers, but you need to set up everything manually
[10:00] <roy> It was a thought
[10:01] <roy> Or I could just install the i386 dapper to confirm my sanity
[10:01] <ogra> you casn use the liveCD and follow the ThinClientHowto on the wiki
[10:02] <ogra> should work ...
[10:06] <roy> ok i'll give a shot
[11:22] <smykes> hey guys what grading software is included in Edubuntu?
[11:26] <signifer123> don'th tihnk there one for gradin
[11:26] <signifer123> there calss management
[11:26] <signifer123> class*
[11:26] <signifer123> you'd have otsee if the others got on
[11:26] <smykes> is it Ggradebook?
[11:26] <signifer123> don' t think we have that
[11:27] <signifer123> thats a no on 5.10 dubuntu
[11:27] <signifer123> edubuntu*
[11:27] <smykes> any suggestions?
[11:28] <smykes> perhaps a linux website aimed at teachers
[11:28] <signifer123> i tihk you guys should include that though...at least in repository
[11:28] <signifer123> think*
[11:28] <signifer123> sorry i have none
[11:28] <signifer123> you can install ggradebook if you want
[11:28] <smykes> yeah I know :)
[11:29] <smykes> I wasnt sure if there was something better
[11:29] <signifer123> nah...
[11:29] <signifer123> how good is it?
[11:29] <signifer123> really bad?
[11:29] <smykes> I haven't used it yet
[11:30] <signifer123> ohhh
[11:30] <signifer123> well then i'll ahve to lok at it myself :-p
[11:30] <smykes> im not on a linux box right now so I can't
[11:31] <signifer123> ok
[11:31] <signifer123> well how long you gonna be on i cna give you screenies once i get it installed
[11:31] <smykes> I saw one screen shot
[11:32] <signifer123> ohh
[11:32] <signifer123> where?
[11:32] <smykes> at the site
[11:32] <signifer123> yeah i jsut found it
[11:33] <smykes> the site leaves something to be desired
[11:33] <signifer123> yeah ....
[11:35] <smykes> OpenGrade seems like another one
[11:35] <signifer123> they both look really ugly
[11:35] <smykes> but this sounds bad
[11:35] <smykes> "If you're running a recent Linux distribution such as Suse 10 or Ubuntu "Breezy Badger," you will find that whenever you run a GTK+ application alongside of OpenGrade, it will cause OpenGrade to crash. I've submitted a patch to Perl/Tk to fix the problem, and if the patch is approved by Nick Ing-Simmons, I'm hoping that the problem will be fixed in Perl/Tk 804.029. OpenGrade 2.7.8 will detect this problem, if present, and refuse to ru
[11:36] <Burgundavia> doesn't schooltool do grading?
[11:36] <signifer123> does it?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> no idea, never used it
[11:36] <signifer123> yeah that does look bad...
[11:37] <jinty> Burgundavia: the code is being written right now...
[11:37] <Burgundavia> jinty, ah
[11:37] <signifer123> for school tool?
[11:37] <Burgundavia> jinty, do you work on schooltool?
[11:37] <jinty> kindof
[11:37] <jinty> but gotta go real soon
[11:38] <signifer123> yeah i don't like the interface for ggradebook
[11:39] <signifer123> too in yuor face
[11:40] <smykes> ah my school already uses SchoolTool Calendar I think
[11:41] <signifer123> :-p
[11:41] <signifer123> mine will never switch :(
[11:42] <smykes> Master Grade looks good but its expensive
[11:43] <signifer123> and there no linux version :-p
[11:43] <smykes> yeah :/
[11:43] <smykes> I use OS X at home though
[11:43] <signifer123> :-p
[11:43] <signifer123> ohh
[11:46] <smykes> it seems as though Ggradebook isnt under development anymore
[11:46] <signifer123> ohhh....
[11:47] <signifer123> are there any java gradebooks?
[11:48] <smykes> I hope not ;)
[11:48] <signifer123> why?
[11:49] <smykes> because its java
[11:49] <signifer123> *gasp*
[11:49] <signifer123> this ins't that whole interpretted thing is it?
[11:50] <signifer123> i like java :-p
[11:50] <smykes> no its the whole slow and ugly thing
[11:51] <signifer123> that would be the intterpreted thing :-P
[11:51] <signifer123> sorry for not being specific
[11:51] <signifer123> so you don't like python or ruby either?
[11:52] <smykes> I wish I could find a grant to get myself a tablet for my classroom
[11:52] <signifer123> lol
[11:52] <smykes> that would be so handy
[11:52] <signifer123> with projector :)
[11:53] <signifer123> get the convertable ones
[11:53] <smykes> oh god yes
[11:53] <smykes> we have a projector in the school
[11:53] <signifer123>  The AT&T Foundation provides grants to educational programs that use technology to enhance teaching and learning.
[11:53] <signifer123> :-p
[11:54] <smykes> think they'll buy me a X41?  :D
[11:54] <signifer123> lol
[11:54] <signifer123> yuo wish!!!
[11:55] <signifer123> you*
[11:55] <smykes> Id use it for teaching it would be great
[11:55] <signifer123> our teacher got a free trip to japan for using touchscreens that all the students could interact with in his calc calss
[11:55] <signifer123> class*
[11:55] <smykes> wtf
[11:55] <smykes> Id love a classroom full of macminis
[11:56] <smykes> but apple doesnt do that unless you pay ;)
[11:56] <signifer123> of course...
[11:56] <smykes> they dont have grants I mean
[11:56] <signifer123> i know what you mean ;)
[11:57] <signifer123> my schools a bit spoiled we got all new 28 ghz dells last year
[11:57] <signifer123> 2.8
[11:57] <signifer123> not 28
[11:57] <signifer123> that'd be crazy
[11:58] <smykes> we dont do dell we do a small little maker in town
[11:58] <smykes> im not sure why
[11:58] <smykes> I try to stay out of it
[11:58] <signifer123> good idea :-p
[11:59] <signifer123> windows?
[11:59] <signifer123> or linny?
[11:59] <signifer123> or what?
[11:59] <smykes> they were upset enough when I put ubuntu on one of the "good" machines
[11:59] <smykes> they are working on a linux lab
[12:00] <smykes> but we do run a lot of OSS
[12:00] <signifer123> lol
[12:01] <signifer123> linux lab will be all the ones they threw out right?
[12:01] <smykes> pretty much
[12:01] <signifer123> yeah thats what i figured...
[12:01] <smykes> they are actually looking to go with dumb clients
[12:01] <smykes> I dont know that the bandwidth is available for it but I try to stay out of it
[12:02] <signifer123> hehehe i wish my school would use dumb clients
[12:02] <signifer123> nvm changed my mind