[12:15] any of you have idea about font packages? [12:16] what sort? [12:16] hum, I might provide two or three font packages for ubuntu [12:17] your own? [12:18] nope, xfonts-base-transcoded and 100dpi and 75dpi [12:18] both are not in breezy nor dapper atm [12:19] you'll want to ask Daniel [Stone] why they're not [12:19] ok [12:19] I doubt he omitted them randomly [12:19] 22:08 #ubuntu-devel: < siretart> Tm_T: filing a bug is a good idea in any case [12:19] 23:19 #ubuntu-devel: < siretart> Tm_T: yes. or even better, provide a package ;) [12:20] I think they're dropped out because if your system is using utf-8 locales, you don't need them [12:20] and somebody is expecting we are do so [12:20] that's essentially my thinking [12:21] but I (and tons of other people) does have ISO-8859-15 locales etc [12:21] but sure, I'll ask :) [12:21] but in the meantime, I (we) need packages [12:22] so, should I just take debian package and change location where fonts are installed to ubuntu way, or? [12:22] I just installed newest packages I found from debian mirrors and then copied files to right place [12:24] hum, maybe daniel can tell what I need to know ;( [12:28] yep, at the very least you'll need to change the installation path [12:30] aye [12:30] I'll catch up daniel tomorrow then === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.187.176] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@s64-186-37-55.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:12] Riddell: did something change in latest kde so that removing kubuntu-defaults and copying konqueror.rc no longer give back full functionality? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net === mornfall [n=mornfall@r31s01p04.home.nbox.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-11-87.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-11-87.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:17] hi everyone === luka74 [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0B3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@220.178.232.213] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Verwilst [n=verwilst@dD5E0099B.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:33] lalala [12:33] i should mail mdz [12:34] hello! === Verwilst just downloaded flight 3 to reinstall his breezy desktop ;) [12:37] er...ok then! [12:37] to reinstall breezy? === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:56] my currently-breezy desktop into dapper ;) [12:57] i'm running 5 production servers on dapper now, so i think it's fit for my desktop too ;) [01:00] ah, right, so you're taking off breezy, and sticking dapper on there, yes, right, that makes sense now [01:00] i was wondering how you planned to install breezy from a dapper cd! [01:07] hehe === Verwilst wishes kdevelop had mono support [01:25] mornfall: how's the kde update-notifier coming? ;) [01:26] Verwilst: it's sitting in my systray [01:26] Verwilst: it's in dapper for ages now .p [01:26] screeniiiiieeee [01:26] oh [01:26] what's it called? :) [01:27] adept-notifier [01:27] but not installed by default i guess? [01:27] it is, just nothing to run it automatically [01:27] well, it is part of adept package [01:27] ah [01:27] at least i hope so :) [01:34] hey, cool! it works! [01:35] it's installed by default, yes [01:35] screeenshoooot [01:35] :p [01:35] from me? [01:35] sure [01:36] um [01:36] well....seeing as it doesnt seem to *update* the apt-get list, then of course there's nothing to upgrade [01:38] mornfall: tough, I have errors with adept when I try to fetch updates [01:38] JRe: current dapper? [01:39] mornfall: yep [01:39] there should be a new version [01:39] testing it out, after a manual sudo apt-get update... [01:40] mornfall: the one I have is 1.89ubuntu3 [01:42] it's the last one according to packages.ubuntu.com [01:42] Adept Updater: 1.88.1 Wibble (alpha 1.5) is my current one [01:45] well, here goes my install! see ya in a bit! === Huahua [n=hua@222.50.183.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=luka@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-008-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-008-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-008-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek_work [n=robotgee@62.240.70.121] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:28] Hobbsee: ping [02:28] robotgeek_work: pong [02:29] Hobbsee: i'm working on the Kubuntu Desktop guide, and i need to know if there are going to be Kubuntu Shipits [02:29] Riddell: ping [02:30] Hobbsee: pong [02:30] robotgeek_work: assume yes [02:30] robotgeek_work: I think they planned on it, but Riddell would be the one to answer that === Hobbsee waves to Riddell - i'm finally back! [02:30] might have a better idea this time next week [02:30] Hobbsee: yay! we missed you [02:30] :) [02:31] thanks Riddell , i'm currently just hacking the Ubuntu Desktop Guide, and that's good news. I just have to search replace this section :) === Hobbsee missed everyone here too - was stuck with very horrible, patchy 30kbps dialup internet! [02:31] and even that only a couple of times === hunger [n=tobias@p54A64751.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] hmm, i never know Kubuntu means "towards humanity" in Bemba. More changes, tsk tsk [02:43] one more for you Hobbsee . Kubuntu started with Hoary? or earlier/later? [02:44] *thinks* [02:44] robotgeek_work: ah, hoary [02:44] Hobbsee: thanks :) === Hobbsee kills yet another ant on her desk [02:44] no problems [02:51] yes, hoary [02:52] Riddell: i guess i'll have some nice work done by next week [02:58] robotgeek_work: excellent [02:59] i'm editing the common sections right now, the main work will start from now on. === Hobbsee looks forward to an up-to-date guide [03:05] i have kubuntu dapper running on my ibook, i hope by the time I get to system settings, the modules bug will be fixed :) === Verwilst [n=verwilst@dD5E0099B.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:06] grmbl [03:06] kde is still ugly by default :( [03:07] it is, rather [03:07] hopefully 4.0 will fix that :$ [03:18] mornfall: would be cool if adept-notifier would disappear when no updates are needed [03:20] Verwilst: why [03:22] mornfall: when did 1.89 of adept-notifier go into the repos? for some reason, I only have Adept Updater: 1.88.1 Wibble (alpha 1.5), and i just did an update&upgrade [03:24] mornfall: too many icons in the systray already :( [03:24] it'll be like windows after a while, a bigger systray than taskbar :p === Hobbsee agrees with Verwilst about the icon - that's the first thing i noticed about it [03:27] Hobbsee: 1.89 is a versioning mistake [03:27] right [03:28] there are 5 icons in my systray [03:28] out of which at least 2 are useless === mornfall removes === Verwilst looks with puppy eyes to mornfall [03:31] i'm hopfully not 8 secs away from breakage, lol [03:33] btw, by reinstalling i removed my sources.list :( [03:33] anybody has that w32codecs repo laying around? [03:33] it wasn't plf btw [03:33] Verwilst: marillat? [03:34] no [03:38] Verwilst: ah, wasnt that in http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s [03:38] or is that now out of date? [03:40] oh well, they'll do for now === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.187.111] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:38] hey [05:38] anyone already using PSI 0.10 with Jingle? [05:56] Riddell: Is there anyone here that could make a PSI Jingle release like those of Amarok? [05:59] Flosoft: PSI? [05:59] a Jabber client [05:59] http://psi-im.org/wiki/Jingle_branch#Linux [06:00] the first with Jingle Implementation [06:00] and you want what? [06:00] an .deb or an apt-source ... as mine fails to compile :S [06:00] PSI is already in the sources [06:01] but it is an old one [06:01] how is that like amarok? [06:01] and the normal 0.10 (just released) does not contain Jingle [06:01] amarok is always up2date with additional sources ? ( kubuntu.org ) [06:02] ah, a backport [06:02] i jingle support in dapper? [06:02] no [06:02] so that's needed first [06:03] ask in #ubuntu-motu [06:03] jingle isn't in PSIs official release [06:03] hmm, psi is qt, that's our domain [06:03] :) [06:04] raphink, \sh_away maybe? [06:04] Riddell: what? [06:04] Riddell: you want us to backport amarok to breezy? [06:05] no [06:05] make a PSI with Jingle backport [06:05] Riddell: why did you call me? [06:05] hmm ok [06:05] it's in dapper already I suppose? [06:05] note: PSI with Jingle isn't in PSIs official branch [06:05] http://psi-im.org/wiki/Jingle_branch [06:06] I cna't seem to find it in dapper [06:06] and it would be great to have it in Synaptic or as deb [06:06] in Breezy there is 0.93 [06:06] psi is in universe [06:07] Flosoft: can you package? [06:07] I can find psi Riddell [06:07] but not jingle [06:07] raphink: no :S [06:07] apt-cache search jingle [06:07] I get nothing [06:07] in dapper [06:07] what's the name of the package for the jingle branch? [06:07] psi too [06:07] there is no package [06:08] so you would like a package, that's it? [06:08] you want a psi-jingle package? [06:08] yes [06:08] that seems easy [06:08] just package it ;) [06:08] hehe [06:08] Flosoft: how much do you know about Debian GNU/Linux ? [06:09] not soo much [06:09] a happy linux user [06:09] haha ok ;) [06:09] well I guess we could package it [06:09] but it would be nicer if you did it :) [06:09] so you would learn to package [06:10] and as this is a package you care about it's nice [06:10] :) [06:10] Flosoft: what do you think? [06:10] ;) [06:10] only problem: I didn't get to install psi manually :S [06:11] u know .. compile etc. [06:11] ah! [06:11] what failed? [06:11] make afaik [06:11] it was some time ago [06:11] ok [06:11] otherwise ... if u want to see I can open a screen here [06:12] no that's fine [06:12] I'd be happy if you could package it [06:12] ok ... [06:12] otherwise I can add it to my list of softs to package ;) [06:12] one sec ... [06:13] if u can guide me through I can try it again [06:13] do you want some links to documents to learn how to package? ;) [06:13] sure [06:13] raphink: I'd like those please [06:13] kkathman: <>< [06:13] kkathman: you'd like what? [06:13] the links to package...Im going to be helping robotgeek [06:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips [06:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide once you know quite enough [06:14] the main link to learn to package is the Debian New Maintainer's GUide [06:15] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html [06:15] that is THE reference to learn Debian packaging :) [06:15] and at least throwing an eye on Debian policy : http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [06:15] :) [06:15] thanks [06:16] what about deb-install? [06:16] do I need to be on dapper NOW to create debian packages, or can I still be on breezy? [06:16] Flosoft: no [06:16] Flosoft: packaging is an advanced feature [06:16] it's hand-made [06:17] you can use debinstall, checkinstall or whatever for your own packages if you want [06:17] but if you want your packages in Ubuntu [06:17] there won't be 10 seconds before any MOTU will refuse such a package [06:17] kkathman: you can still be on breezy and use a dapper pbuilder and chroot [06:17] to build and test the packages === hunger [n=tobias@p54A642AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:18] Flosoft: using dh_make is fine to help building packages [06:18] but debinstall/checkinstall is not [06:18] you'll get much more work to do by using such things than by making the packages yourself [06:19] I assume that the above documents will explain the install procedures [06:19] Flosoft: make me a Checkinstall GNU/Linux distro if you want to, I'm sure it won't even boot ;) [06:19] kkathman: yes [06:20] raphink: I still have room to install dapper if it would be best [06:20] for many apps, it is fine to use cdbs aswell (to some extent) which makes packaging easier [06:20] I have breezy and SUSE on my box, but plenty of room for dapper if need be [06:20] get a chroot and pbuilder [06:21] raphink: I'll read those docs and they should direct me in those right? [06:21] they won't teach you about chroots and pbuilders [06:22] but you'll need them only later [06:22] learn about packaging first ;) [06:22] and don't hesitate to ask questions :) [06:22] when I learned packaging, my mentor took 8 hours in a row to guide me through my first package [06:22] okies...Im sure robotgeek will guide me along [06:22] so don't bother to ask for some help [06:22] :) [06:22] well ... u'll be flooded with questions and pastebins ... don't worry raphink ;) [06:23] raphink: I was starting to work with Hobbsee but she left on vacation and there was no way we'd finish before she left, so we postponed === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F7831.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:23] Flosoft: I prefer to be flooded with questions and pastebins and increase the number of Debian packagers with good skills [06:23] but robotgeek basically said he needed my help and I agreed [06:23] than to make the packages myself and not be sure there'll be anyone to maintain them [06:23] :) [06:23] at the same time i'll write a tutorial for noobs ;) [06:23] Flosoft: so if you feel like learning how to package, don't hesitate to ping me either ;) [06:24] Flosoft: there is a tutorial : NDMG ;) [06:24] and some guys are working on an Ubuntu packaging guide [06:24] tooo much pages ;) [06:24] NDMG? [06:24] Laserjock [06:24] New Debian Maintainer's Guide [06:24] the link I gave you before [06:24] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html ? [06:24] Flosoft: I doubt you can write a packaging guide for noobs soon [06:24] yes Flosoft [06:25] there is a problem ... PSI is in the repository :S [06:25] this is the current reference to learn how to package [06:25] so how do I call it PSI-Jingle? [06:25] Flosoft: what you want to package is psi-jingle [06:25] not psi [06:25] ;) [06:25] but it runs on the same programm :S [06:25] so what? [06:26] ;) [06:26] ok ... [06:26] you might have to set the dependencies of the package [06:26] saying psi-jingle replaces psi [06:27] so the psi package is deinstalled when psi-jingle is installed [06:27] ;) [06:27] :S [06:27] i'll see [06:27] yes [06:27] :) [06:27] I am currently @ 2.2 [06:27] I'll be happy to help you :) [06:28] check if psi-jingle is not in Debian first [06:28] how? [06:28] it doesn't seem to be [06:28] ok [06:28] well right now it's not easy to check [06:28] usually you can check on packages.debian.org [06:28] ok Im off to read...thanks raphink :) I'll still be around, but probably reading. [06:29] but the website is currenty down [06:29] kkathman: ok :) [06:29] if you have questions just ask :) [06:29] dh_make -e your.maintainer@address -f ../gentoo-0.9.12.tar.gz .... is that from the directory the sources are unpacked? [06:29] same as there is configure etc.? [06:30] yep [06:30] that's to package gentoo of course ;) [06:30] ofcourse ;) === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-008-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:32] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/527555 ... correct? [06:32] no [06:32] Flosoft: you have to link to the tarball [06:32] that is int he parent dir [06:33] well there is non :S [06:33] it is a darcs source :S [06:33] how did you get the source then? [06:33] darcs [06:33] what is that? [06:33] well like a FTP download of all files [06:33] http://psi-im.org/wiki/Darcs_Instructions [06:34] there is no tarball for this? [06:34] it's like a CVS/SVN ? [06:34] no [06:34] yes [06:34] ok then ignore the -f option [06:34] just run dh_make -e youradress [06:34] ok [06:34] do you have a PGP/GnuPG key ? [06:34] and still ../psi-jingle [06:34] yes [06:34] afaik [06:34] no, not the ../ [06:35] because this goes witht he -f option [06:35] to link to the source tarball [06:35] ok [06:35] since you have no source tarball [06:35] you shall not use it [06:35] you might call the directory [06:35] psi-jingle-darcs [06:35] if you got the version today [06:35] call the directory === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:36] psi-jingle-darcs-20060128 [06:36] and then run [06:36] dh_make -e youraddress [06:36] so the name of the package will be psi-jingle-darcs [06:36] ok [06:36] since it's not a tarball version, but a darcs one [06:36] and the version number will be 20060128, ie the date [06:37] which fits for this kind of packaging [06:37] and again ... dh_make from inside psi-jingle-darcs-20060128# [06:37] yes [06:37] ok [06:37] and only with the -e youraddress@yourdomain [06:37] sure [06:37] and what about my pgp key? [06:37] using an address that is in your PGP key [06:37] since it will be used to sign the package [06:37] is your key in the strongset? [06:37] ok [06:37] :S [06:38] what's your key ID? [06:38] I trust it unlimited [06:38] what's your key ID Flosoft ? [06:38] Flosoft: gpg --list-keys [06:39] 0xDE942B63 [06:39] and give me your key id please :) [06:39] ok you never uploaded it [06:39] or got it signed by anyone? [06:40] i'll do it now then ... [06:40] no no that's fine Flosoft [06:40] ;) [06:40] you don't need it signed now [06:40] ok [06:40] but you need it uploaded to the servers [06:40] like mit.edu [06:40] that can be useful ;) [06:41] anyway, your key will be used to sign the package [06:41] so you have to use an email address that is registered on the key [06:41] ok [06:41] single binary? [06:41] yep [06:41] I guess ;) [06:42] dh_make will create a debian/directory in the source [06:42] and create a lot of things in it [06:42] the doc explains what they are for :) [06:42] I'll let you read :) [06:44] ping me if you need Flosoft [06:47] ok ... 3.1 .. where is the make file? raphink? [06:47] how do you mean? [06:48] well 3.1 they say I have to check if there are no static paths [06:48] oh yes [06:48] in the makefile [06:48] but in what file is that? [06:48] well you must have a makefile in the source [06:48] it's called makefile ;) [06:48] brb ... gotta eat [06:49] ok === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:04] back [07:04] well there is no makefile raphink ... wanna take a look? [07:14] raphink ... u still there? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:40] raphink? === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-008-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [08:31] raphink .... u there? [08:32] Flosoft: sorry I was eating [08:32] we're watching a movie right now [08:32] ah ok ... [08:32] but if you have a question go on [08:32] well can u take a look @ the console I got open [08:32] there is no makefile [08:32] only for windows [08:32] I'll have a look [08:32] wait [08:32] u got the login etc in pm [08:33] I'm logged it [08:33] in [08:33] screen -x [08:33] where did you put it [08:33] ? [08:33] just run screen -x [08:33] and you'll get in the same session as I am === JRe [n=JRe@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-008-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:27] raphink you still around? [09:28] yep [09:28] we're packaging with Flosoft [09:34] raphink: whats the best way to find out if a package is being worked on ... is it the same thats listed in Debian? [09:34] or does Kubuntu have its list? [09:34] the NEW queue is very short on ubuntu [09:34] we don't use bugs for that as on Debian [09:35] if a package is being worked on in Ubuntu for quite a long time, you'll see it on REVU [09:35]