=== mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek is now known as robotgeek_away [01:06] hmm, I wonder if bshumate's connection was really reset by beer :-) [01:06] I guess a drunk ISP could be to blame [01:07] can I reset my connection with beer? [01:07] if you have enough I'm sure ;-) [01:07] glad this week is over [01:08] but next week I go to Toronto, ugh === manicka [n=grant@203-158-43-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has left #ubuntu-doc ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === ealden_ [n=ealden@219.90.93.78] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc === [Alpha] [n=Client@ool-43546d02.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:25] <[Alpha] > Helppppppppppppppppppppppp with an old bios [02:27] [Alpha] : this isn't a support channel, you should try #ubuntu === [Alpha] [n=Client@ool-43546d02.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:Burgwork] : Ubuntu Documentation Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Website http://doc.ubuntu.com | Get involved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next Meeting: 27 Jan 22:00 UTC: at #ubuntu-meeting [02:31] there, that might be clearer than doc team [02:31] not that anybody reads topics anyway === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:19] bustacap: do you think the UDSF meeting agenda sounds neutral enough? [03:29] LaserJock, haha word travels quickly [03:29] well, is that a trick question? :) [03:30] it is an agenda for discussion, and an agenda that can be added to.. [03:32] LaserJock, I have changed a line on the page to now read: "The agenda is open to be added to and edited freely by anyone." [03:34] I am having a breather for a while, I'll check up on the situation later from my UG meeting tonight === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco yawns [03:54] hi jsgotangco [03:54] hey LaserJock [03:54] so how did the meeting go? [03:55] umm, ok I guess. I'm used to MOTU meetings so it was pretty quick [03:55] ah not so much on agenda i guess :/ [03:55] we talked about changing the C locale to en === mpt [n=mpt@202.53.187.9] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:01] jsgotangco: we need more controversy so our meetings last for hours like the MOTU meetings do ;-) [04:05] heh we need more doc maintainers and screw up our licenses [04:06] hmm, yes that might work too [04:10] ok brb too === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robotgeek_away is now known as robotgeek [06:28] hi robotgeek [06:28] hey LaserJock [06:29] how it goes? === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-138-230.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:30] it's going. I fixed tightvnc today, which is good [06:31] cool, i'm looking forward to get on with the Kubuntu docs today, get the structure laid out === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:40] hi KingBahamut [06:41] hey KingBahamut [06:41] aye [06:44] does anybody know how .pot files are created? [06:44] hmm, i read about this. i know it for python, lemme pull up a link [06:45] I seem to remember [06:45] thats something referencing documentation or something [06:45] cant quite remember [06:45] KingBahamut: heh [06:47] well, I think they are for translations perhaps [06:47] but I want to mess around with the gpl XML but it also has a .pot . I don't know if I will mess it up [06:47] LaserJock: yeah, i know thet are for translations, i am trying to pull up something specific [06:47] deja vu, i swear === Madpilot_ [n=ubuntu@d66-183-173-251.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:48] Madpilot_: you the man [06:48] LaserJock: http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated/x3799.html maybe that will help [06:48] hmm? [06:49] you know how to generate pot files for translations? [06:49] me? nope, sorry. I'm a hopeless unilingual anglophone... [06:49] looks like xml2pot would work [06:50] I don't think I will mess anything up because I'm just changing the layout not the content [06:53] maybe someone should do a wiki page on that [06:54] lol, a wiki page is always the answer ;-) === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-53-52.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:09] could someone explain to me how to make a subpage of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/ and make it show up in the card specific section? [07:10] dsas, just create the URL you want to use (/WifiDocs/FooCard or whatever) and the wiki will ask if you want to create a page with that name [07:11] make sure you add it to the main WifiDocs page - subpages aren't added automatically [07:11] Madpilot_, ah ok, I understood that [[FullSearch(-ManufacturerModel AND title:WifiDocs)] ] did something fancy to make it show up automatically? [07:12] no idea, to be honest [07:12] i'll try and see :) [07:12] go ahead, it's easy to revert things that mess up on the wiki! === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:16] Madpilot_, sweet, it just worked [07:17] dsas, cool. Which page? [07:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/CompaqW200 [07:18] Madpilot_, I've added a redirect to the old one :) [07:18] *from the old one [07:18] from is better :P [07:18] Madpilot_, do you work tomorrow? [07:19] Burgundavia, yes, I'm downtown 10-6 [07:20] hmm, the phone here has already been cutoff === Burgundavia grumbles at Telus [07:20] yes, Telus is evil. And irritating. [07:25] mdke, around? [07:25] dsas, cool, I see how that WifiDocs card list works - interesting search filtering... [07:28] Madpilot_, I don't grok how the ManufacturerModel bit works tbh [07:28] dsas, if it works, that's enough :P [07:29] Madpilot_, *grins*, I agree. [07:30] it's some sort of search-filter voodoo [07:31] and who am I to question the moin voodo man === bshumate [n=bshumate@ubuntu/member/bshumate] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:31] would anyone like to criticise CompaqW200 or should I send a mail to the mailing list? [07:32] salut bshumate [07:32] dsas, just a sec, I will look at it [07:32] Burgundavia, thanks [07:33] dsas, looks good. A few comments [07:33] dsas, it looks OK, but I don't actually grok wireless, so I'm not really qualified further... [07:34] dsas, we don't prefer any editor, so change the bit about editing /etc/modules to say something like "Open a text editor using sudo and edit /etc/modules" [07:34] dsas, other than that, looks good [07:36] Burgundavia, "sudo gedit /whatever/foo" is easier to understand than "open a text editor using sudo and..." [07:36] or "sudo nano..." if you want to make sure it works everywhere... [07:36] Madpilot_, yes, but what if a kubuntu user reads it [07:37] Madpilot_, all the official docs are written in this way and it was good [07:37] nano works in Kubuntu too... [07:38] still no good, commandline only [07:38] Burgundavia, ok, I'll change that in other documents I come across it in too. [07:38] dsas, cheers [07:49] Burgundavia, It it ok for me to move that page out of category cleanup now? [07:49] dsas, yep === Madpilot_ bestows upon Burgundavia the title of "Grand High Master of CategoryCleanup" :P === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-11-87.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-11-87.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:27] I just updated and cleaned up our GPL docbook [08:29] in case anybody cares ;-) [08:31] saw that - big commit [08:32] well, not really any content change [08:32] just updated the address [08:33] but I took out the sect tags and replaced them with orderedlists === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral_ [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-140-1.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:17] LaserJock_away, don't worry about the pot for the gpl, go ahead and edit [11:18] oh you did, good ;) [11:18] hey mdke [11:19] morning [11:26] poor old Naaman [11:35] why? [11:36] well he's undertaken a very difficult task [11:37] trying to bring the wiki and forums closer together [11:37] yeah, that's a tough one. but someone's gotta do it [11:38] mmm [11:38] many have spent a lot of time trying already [11:38] but maybe a fresh face might help [11:41] yeah...i spent some time with KB one day, but did not work out [11:41] it got outta practical domain, and went to philosophical ones. === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke nods [11:42] it's a shame because really the forum (helpdesk) and wiki (guides) idea is so simple, that it would work really well [11:42] yeah [11:43] evening mdke, robotgeek [11:43] evening manicka [11:54] time for me to write layout structure for the Kubuntu Desktop Guide, later. [11:54] mdke: maybe i can just copy structure from ubuntu desktop guide? [11:55] i might also get kkhatman to work on it with me, so that's nice [12:16] robotgeek_work, sounds good. You can copy anything you like [12:20] cool. the first changes are going to be grep for ubuntu and replace with kubuntu :) [12:21] hah, looks like rob1/someone else has already done that :) [12:49] mdke: is there a specific column size to which i should limit the writing to (78 cols or such?). i usually do it without linebreaks [12:49] not that it would matter with xml, but you get the idea [12:51] i'm done with the preface, lol [12:51] robotgeek_work, i do it without linebreaks too [12:51] someone eventually comes along and cleans it up [12:51] dunno how [12:51] maybe with conglomerate or something [12:52] hmm, i find it difficult to read with line breaks, that's not the way i am used to :) [12:52] conglomerate? [12:52] ah, the editor [12:53] is it any better than vim? :) [12:53] i don't understand how it works [12:53] it lays things out structurall [12:53] y [12:53] i got some plugin which puts the closing tag automatically, very useful [12:53] cool [12:54] i think it might be xmledit itself, or something else. i have about 3/4 installed, lol [12:55] kde-chunk-online.xsl is what i'm using right now for the html output, i couldn't find one for the kubuntu-desktop guide [12:55] should i just use the one for ubuntu right now? === Kyral_ is now known as Kyral [12:56] hey Kyral === Belutz|Desktop [n=belutz@202.155.151.114] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:39] mdke: ping [01:43] robotgeek_work, pong [01:44] mdke: can i just do stuff like http://pastebin.com/527190 [01:44] or do i have to rewrite everything for kubuntu? [01:45] looks good to me [01:46] use your own judgment, and ask the kubuntu guys to review afterwards [01:46] heh, as usual :) [01:47] i am still trying to figure out how it all works out, but i'm comfortable with docbook already. html + latex :) [01:47] i'll bug you if i have any questions [01:55] cool, thanks for working on that [01:56] no problems, it's a good way for me to contribute back to an OS which i probably will be using for the rest of my life (Hopefully) [02:05] :) [02:27] mdke: do you know if we will have Shipits for Kubuntu Dapper? === Bonzodog [n=bonzodog@unaffiliated/bonzodog] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:39] found out, answer is "assume yes: [02:40] apparently, What does kubuntu mean? has the answer "It means "towards humanity" in Bemba." [02:43] i thought shipit wasn't available for kubuntu [02:44] i asked Riddell, he said "assume yes" [02:44] cool [02:46] damn, i'm finding out new things about Kubuntu, and I'm not liking it:) === Bonzodog uses xubuntu [02:46] in dapper, and it's nice [02:48] i'm actually writing this on xubuntu, eventually i will move over to kubuntu [02:48] since i have better hardware now :) [02:50] it's a much nicely integrated system, IMHO. and I come from the mac line, so it matters quite a bit to me :) [02:50] ugh...kde sucks imho [02:50] it's bloatware [02:51] bloat where? [02:51] you seen how much software it installs? [02:51] like over a gig of software [02:52] true, but all that is required for the "integration". i don't care for disk space :) [02:52] to get a full running desktop [02:52] I have so much diskspace it defies reality [02:53] but kde's bloat is inexcusable [02:53] I wouldn't use suse because it relies on the kde base to run yast [02:53] I like my linux distro's light and fast [02:54] And what kind of people call software "yast", anyway [02:54] Bonzodog: it pisses me off that I have to copy paste a url into liferea's discovery service to get feeds. [02:54] with absolute direct access to the core [02:54] It sounds like an infection [02:54] heya mpt_ :) [02:55] in kde, from konqueror i can add feeds to akregator directly. stuff like that matters for me [02:55] hi mdke [02:55] plus, vim integrates nicely in kdevelop :) === mpt_ dreams of a virus that will cause Qt to ignore all presses of the "K" key === robotgeek_work throttles mpt_ [02:57] incidentally bustacaps idea of removing the how-to sections from the forums is unworkable [02:59] the section was created because people were overloading other sections with there own home-grown how-tos [02:59] some of those how-to's were put together by people who we have not heard from since [03:00] but importantly, they work === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:01] we cannot persuade the user base at large to contribute stuff directly to the wiki [03:01] they just don't listen in our experience [03:02] the forums are a bit like modern replacement for usenet, where people develop their own ways of doing things === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:02] it's users helping users === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:03] the mods are just there to mediate when things get out of hand, remove spam, and provide a modicum of control [03:04] so we really have to centre on transferring the good stuff to the wiki, then acknowleding the contribution in the wiki [03:05] we should never have to worry about asking permission as anything posted to the forums is classed as open to editing for public use [03:05] mailing lists are frankly old hat [03:06] I stopped using them **years** ago === robotgeek_work just started using them, lol [03:06] as I don't like a full inbox [03:06] rofl [03:06] Switching Ubuntu bug tracking from Bugzilla to Malone was not enough [03:07] Let's switch all development discussion from the ubuntu-devel mailing list to the forums :-) [03:07] Bonzodog: mutt + fetchmail + procmail works great for lists :) [03:07] i have gmail [03:07] and just use it's web front end [03:07] well, there's your problem right there [03:07] If you use Gmail, forums will be comparably awkward and slow [03:08] my ISP does not provide mail accounts === robotgeek_work also uses gmail, but has not seen the webinterface for several days. it's only useful for reporting spam, lol [03:08] gmail has pop access [03:08] so web mail it is [03:08] i use a pop web server [03:08] which is much worse than gmail [03:08] i use gmail's pop access, it very easy to setup too [03:08] I use multiple computers, so POP is no good for me [03:09] I have used gmails pop access [03:09] but i cannot find a mail client i'm happy with [03:09] I used to use pine [03:09] Bonzodog: kmail is very nice :) [03:09] um...gtk solution it has to be [03:10] Bonzodog: syphleed maybe? [03:10] I might install thunderbird [03:10] Bonzodog: you can get mutt with pine keybindings, if you can spare the effort, i think [03:11] I want a well written ncurses client [03:11] mutt is very nice, i use both kmail and mutt [03:11] mutt is for when i am away from computer [03:12] at the moment though, I am keeping dapper on the bleeding edge [03:12] and it's broken a lot of the gnome dependent apps [03:12] as i am currently missing gconf [03:12] my dapper won't upgrade, i think it might actually be a good sign, lol [03:13] robotgeek_work, have you asked for a dist-upgrade lately? [03:13] I did it last night [03:13] I now have gnome 2.13.9 [03:13] a very broken gnome [03:13] Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/ifupdown/ifupdown_0.6.7ubuntu6_powerpc.deb 404 Not Found [03:14] robotgeek_work, remove the 'us' from the addy [03:14] ah, okay. [03:14] it all has to be just archive.ubuntu.com to work [03:14] funny, it worked yesterday [03:14] you wait now [03:15] also enable universe and multiverse in both sets of archives, security included [03:15] already have [03:16] then apt-get update [03:16] hmm, 123 MB. Do i want to upgrade and risk breakage...heh [03:16] then apt-get dist-upgrade [03:16] hmm, this is going to take a while. crap [03:17] like I said, /home is on a seperate partition, so breakag only happens at the root [03:17] Bonzodog: that's my test machine, so no issues there [03:19] mdke: i have a reference like &terminal, is that document specific? [04:06] mdke: can i refer directly to Adept Guide, instead of copy/pasting the material here? [04:11] anyways, almost done with chapter 1, i made a few changes to global ent, i guess. is that okay? [04:13] i made changes to "ubuntu-doc/libs/global.ent", is this okay? [04:14] later, gotta hit bed :) [04:17] http://robotgeek.no-ip.info/KubuntuDesktopGuide/ is where you can get a sneak peek. lots of errors, i know :) === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc === teroedni [n=teroedni@ti411310a080-3401.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:52] robotgeek_zzz, you can't use &terminal; it refers to a gnome-menus entity [05:52] robotgeek_zzz, yes, refer to the adept guide [05:52] robotgeek_zzz, yes, make changes to global.ent, if you need to add things [05:52] :) [06:55] mdke: did you happen to look at my changes to the gpl.xml? [06:59] LaserJock, nope, just assumed it is fine [06:59] that reminds me about the pot [07:00] mdke: oh your bold to assume that anything I do is fine ;-) [07:00] mdke: so should all the .pot [07:00] files for the licenses be removed? [07:01] yeah I'm gonna do that [07:02] ok, thanks [07:03] I was hoping to not be too much of a pain [07:03] LaserJock, you're not at all [07:03] quite the reverse [07:03] done [07:05] tempted to nuke xubuntu too, we don't work on that to my knowledge [07:05] really? [07:06] i think that is upstream docs, no one has ever worked on it iirc [07:12] oh [07:14] that's to bad [07:14] ? [07:16] that we don't have any xubuntu docs [07:17] what about edubuntu? Do they have there own docs? [07:19] xfce has good upstream docs [07:19] yeah edubuntu have some docs [07:20] the current ones are not in our repo i think [07:24] lol, I forgot that we were shipping HTML. My yelp hasn' [07:24] hasn't? [07:24] hasn't shown anything for a while [07:24] oh right [07:24] do a scrollkeeper reinstall [07:25] really? [07:25] just sudo scrollkeeper-rebuild should do it [07:25] I'll try that because it works in my chroot but not on my main install [07:26] just dist-upgrade it should be fixed :D [07:27] well, a dist-upgrade hasn't fixed it [07:27] was scrollkeeper updated? [07:28] today, yes [07:28] I don't know but sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb worked [07:28] good [07:28] weird [07:29] its a known problem [07:29] should have been fixed with the last scrollkeeper tho i think === Bonzodog 's dist-upgrade in dapper broke gnome completely [07:30] wot no gconf-editor, wot no gksudo [07:31] wot no theme manager [07:31] what I don't get is why it would work in my chroot. They are both dist-upgraded, just not at the same time [07:31] gconf is **completely** broken in ghnome at the moment [07:31] Bonzodog, worksforme [07:32] you ever tried running gnome without it [07:32] ? [07:32] good thing I have KDE around ;-) [07:32] I'm on dapper 64 bit [07:32] with all repos enabled [07:32] and I did a dist-upgrade [07:32] as of last night [07:33] the dist-upgrade just broke gnome completely [07:33] it also did an interesting update to gdm [07:33] my gnome is currently 2.13.9 [07:34] yes there is a new gdm theme [07:35] the shutdown and reboot menu's have been enclosed in one 'options' menu [07:35] I cannot understand how it broke gconf though [07:35] gconfd is running in the background [07:35] best file a bug [07:35] i don't see that here [07:36] but all my icons ahve gone, I have no desktop background [07:36] gnome-theme-manager segfaults [07:37] works fine for me too [07:40] try deleting your .gconf dirs in your home dir [07:41] and watch it crash [07:42] Bonzodog: works fine for me [07:42] hrmm...strange [07:43] dunno why it just happened on my system [07:43] but something did break once in downloading === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@A-98-154.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-doc === SteveMyers [n=SteveMye@255.26.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:56] mdke, when you're available can you pm me sir, thank you === SteveMyers [n=SteveMye@255.26.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === lambert [n=todd@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === darkmatter [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-159.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc