[12:02] <signifer123> can linux od shared drives for users novell style?
[12:03] <smykes> dont know
[12:03] <signifer123> do*
[12:03] <smykes> Im out
[12:03] <smykes> thanks for the help
[12:03] <signifer123> k cya later man
[12:03] <signifer123> hopefully
[01:19] <signifer123> hey mhz
[01:19] <mhz> hey signifer123 
[01:19] <signifer123> what gradebooks does edubuntu have man?
[01:19] <signifer123> :_p
[01:21] <signifer123> hows life been?
[01:21] <signifer123> :_p
[01:53] <mhz> signifer123: sorry, I was on the phone
[01:54] <mhz> GradeBooks?
[02:13] <signifer123> yeah
[02:13] <signifer123> like ggradebook
[02:13] <signifer123> or opengrade
[02:13] <signifer123> to hold student grade :_p
[02:13] <signifer123> :-P
[02:13] <signifer123> someone asked earlier
[02:19] <mhz> nope, not default
[02:19] <mhz> but available via APT or Synaptic
[02:22] <signifer123> which ones on synaptic?
[02:25] <signifer123> cya
[03:39] <deang> could somebody point me in the direction to get the disabled screen savers enabled/installed in edubuntu?
[03:51] <Burgundavia> deang, you want to know what is installed but not enabled
[03:51] <Burgundavia> ?
[04:01] <deang> Back, sorry.
[04:02] <deang> In Screensaver Preferences, a good number of Display Modes are in grey (as opposed to black), with the preview window titled "Not Installed"
[04:02] <Burgundavia> hmm, edubuntu uses the same screensaver package as ubuntu, so you might want to ask in #ubuntu
[04:05] <deang> It was surprising, as I have seen the whole list enabled on my past Ubuntu usage.  I expected to be able to install them via Synaptics, but, for instance, the search for Gears didn't turn up a screansaver.
[08:11] <aboe> I got a question for the edubuntu team
[09:33] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, long time, no see
[09:40] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: yep yep
[09:40] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: been very, very busy
[09:40] <highvoltage> working everyday of the week, whole day
[09:41] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: at the moment i'm working a bit on tuXlab Xola
[09:41] <highvoltage> it's currently pre-alpha, if you can call it that
[09:41] <highvoltage> http://jonathancarter.ossn.co.za/projects/xola/index.py
[09:54] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, cool thing. Can I make a suggestion as to the UI?
[09:54] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: of course!
[09:54] <Burgundavia> I was initially baffled as to where the solution was
[09:54] <highvoltage> i thought that might be a problem
[09:55] <highvoltage> it's not that obvious that the text on the left is changing
[09:55] <Burgundavia> If possible, maybe open another bubble on the right underneath the current one with the solution on eit
[09:55] <highvoltage> hmmm... it's possible, but it's a bit space intensive
[09:55] <Burgundavia> that makes it very obivious you have arrived at a solution point, and not a another question point
[09:55] <highvoltage> i think i'll have to decrease the font size and penguin heads at some stage anyway
[09:55] <highvoltage> yes, it does
[09:56] <Burgundavia> oh, and you need a back button
[09:56] <highvoltage> i know :)
[09:56] <highvoltage> that's why its pre-alpha :)
[09:56] <Burgundavia> maybe show a hierarchy of where they are in the problem tree?
[09:56] <highvoltage> that's a very good idea
[09:56] <highvoltage> i will bring that in on a later level
[09:56] <Burgundavia> nuke one of the penguin heads and put it there
[09:56] <highvoltage> eventually, I want a wiki style editor for the problem/solution tree
[09:57] <highvoltage> so that the tuxlab help desk can maintain it
[09:57] <Burgundavia> I would maybe expand the logo for tuxlaps, nuke the two large heads and use the logo to do the talking
[09:57] <Burgundavia> then maybe have the two boxes inline vertical instead of horizontal
[09:57] <highvoltage> on the local version on my laptop, i also now have a think bubble coming out of the red penguins head, with pictures of the stuff he's talking about
[09:57] <highvoltage> that's also a good idea
[09:58] <Burgundavia> but a very cool idea
[09:58] <Burgundavia> why don't you just modify moin to do what you want to do?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> hendrik might be able to help you on that, after all the main ubuntu website is currently in moin
[09:59] <Burgundavia> that gives you the editing right away
[09:59] <Burgundavia> but it also allows you to restrict to a small group, via ACLs
[10:00] <highvoltage> true
[10:00] <highvoltage> moin is big though
[10:00] <Burgundavia> ya
[10:00] <Burgundavia> you really want to be able to distribute this easily, in a single flat file if possible
[10:00] <highvoltage> it might be a bit overkill for something like this
[10:00] <Burgundavia> because you need it in places that don't have constant internet access
[10:00] <highvoltage> yes, at the moment it's one python script, one css file, and 4 images :)
[10:00] <highvoltage> yes.
[10:01] <highvoltage> a future version will probably use a sqlite database
[10:01] <Burgundavia> how does it look at 640x480?
[10:01] <highvoltage> currently it's all staticly coded
[10:01] <Burgundavia> I imagine there must be a fair number of older monitors in ZA
[10:01] <highvoltage> it looks horrible at 640x480
[10:01] <highvoltage> we don't use anything older than 1024x768 in tuxlabs
[10:01] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[10:01] <highvoltage> (or less, at least)
[10:01] <highvoltage> if it's less than 800x600, we consider it broken
[10:01] <Burgundavia> do you use new monitors?
[10:02] <highvoltage> not at the moment
[10:02] <highvoltage> we've used new monitors in about 3 labs so far
[10:02] <highvoltage> it seems that new monitors and old monitors last just as long :)
[10:02] <highvoltage> or at least, an old, good quality monitor is better than a cheapo new monitor
[10:02] <Burgundavia> yes, I have an old 17" here that is about to be donated to someone, as it is a CRT
[10:03] <highvoltage> you
[10:03] <highvoltage> you're getting rid of all your CRT's?
[10:03] <highvoltage> i do like lcd displays, nice and compact.
[10:03] <Burgundavia> you can't buy them in NA anymore, except for a few 21"
[10:03] <highvoltage> wow.
[10:04] <Burgundavia> I don't think I have seen a new computer sold with a CRT for about six months
[10:04] <Burgundavia> oh, and kill the blank background
[10:04] <highvoltage> oh yes, the layout of the tuxlab troubleshooter will probably change completely by the time it reaches any kind of 'finished' state. what you're seeing now is still toying around, it's still in a bit of a conceptual stage :)
[10:04] <Burgundavia> what distro do you guys use for the tuxlabs>?
[10:05] <highvoltage> the black background is currently there because the penguins aren't whole, if you select all in the page you'll see that :/
[10:05] <highvoltage> i'm waiting on the graphical designer to send me some nice pics
[10:05] <highvoltage> currently, Ubuntu
[10:05] <highvoltage> we plan to switch all the schools to Edubuntu after Dapper's release
[10:05] <Burgundavia> so you could roll a .deb and have it preinstalled on all tuxlabs?
[10:06] <highvoltage> yep
[10:06] <highvoltage> when it's finished i'll change the logos a bit for edubuntu too
[10:07] <Burgundavia> http://blogs.gnome.org/view/shaunm/2006/01/28/0 <-- I almost wonder if you could do this in docbook and yelp with less pain
[10:07] <Burgundavia> saves you the development pain
[10:11] <highvoltage> that's really cool.
[10:11] <highvoltage> it would be nice to be able to make the troubleshooting tree in docbook, and then from there generate a bunch of html pages linking to each other
[10:12] <Burgundavia> yelp has had some major improvments in spend of rending XML for the 2.14 release
[10:12] <Burgundavia> chosing an existing technology would allow you to concentrate on creating the content
[10:15] <highvoltage> true, but it might make things more complicated too, as pointed out earlier
[10:15] <highvoltage> i want to keep it as small and customisable as possible
[10:15] <highvoltage> but i will definately have to look at that docbook option, it might make things simpler too
[10:16] <Burgundavia> there is also some cool things happening the XML in and out of moin space
[10:16] <Burgundavia> that might allow you to develop in a moin wiki and ship periodic code drops
[10:21] <juliux> hi highvoltage 
[10:22] <juliux> highvoltage, it is possible that you give someonelese op here?
[10:23] <Burgundavia> juliux, doesn't ogra have it?
[10:23] <juliux> highvoltage, because we have for a few days here somebody who joins and quit over 20minutes and we had to ask the freenode people to ban him
[10:23] <juliux> Burgundavia, no
[10:23] <juliux> Burgundavia, only highvoltage 
[10:23] <highvoltage> hmmm... let me check
[10:24] <juliux>  /cs access #edubuntu list
[10:25] <Burgundavia> if I have ops on a channel with one nick and I link another nick to it, does that give my other nick ops as well?
[10:25] <highvoltage> geez, I can't remember my chanserv password
[10:26] <highvoltage> i'll have to mail freenode on that
[10:26] <highvoltage> juliux: i'll sort it out
[10:26] <juliux> highvoltage, thanks
[11:05] <highvoltage> juliux: giving you ops until janeW and ogra are on the channel
[11:05] <juliux> highvoltage, and what should i do then?
[11:06] <highvoltage> i'll give them ops, so you don't have to do anything
[11:06] <juliux> ah ok
[12:58] <agente87> hello 
[01:18] <highvoltage> hello agente87 
[03:03] <flint_> highvoltage, hi  Jonathan 
[03:04] <highvoltage> hi mr flint!
[03:04] <highvoltage> you even got my name right
[03:06] <highvoltage> flint_: how are you?
[03:17] <flint_> I actually had to go and look it up :^) but I wanted to make an effort.  
[03:18] <flint_> highvoltage, Johnathan, where can I get a copy of the TuxLab document?
[03:18] <flint_> fuck... /jonathan!!! i meant!!!!
[03:18] <highvoltage> :)
[03:18] <highvoltage> the original cookbook?
[03:18] <highvoltage> one second...
[03:18] <flint_> exactly,
[03:19] <highvoltage> here it is: http://www.upfrontsystems.co.za/Members/jean/cookbook/docbook/cookbook.html
[03:19] <highvoltage> would you like it in docbook?
[03:19] <highvoltage> i could get it for you too if youlike
[03:19] <flint_> spank you very much.  na, I want to print it and read it as you intended...
[03:20] <flint_> wizzys and all
[03:24] <jsgotangco> a lot of the introductory text are adapted from RMS material
[03:25] <flint_> jsgotangco, that is not a bad thing...
[03:25] <jsgotangco> not at all
[03:25] <jsgotangco> the docbook source is located at the tsf website though
[03:38] <flint_> highvoltage, did you have a 'thang' going with Leonora van Staden
[03:38] <flint_> ?
[03:39] <flint_> I mean... it's sorta none of my business... but she did do a servicable job in illustration,
[03:39] <flint_> you are a young man, and... one never knows about these things, and mayb one should not speculate...
[03:41] <flint_> her art is quite original.
[03:42] <flint_> highvoltage,  Jonathan?  Note this question was not supposed to piss you off...  I have completely forgotten if you are already married or whatever... (you get old and the memory goes second :^)
[03:42] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[03:43] <flint_> jsgotangco, now easy there big guy, I was just asking a harmless (albiet personal) question....
[03:43] <flint_> (LOL :^)
[03:45] <flint_> jsgotangco, you do not think he is so offended that his rage has silenced  Jonathan's response do you?
[03:45] <flint_> jsgotangco, like what do you know of this?
[03:45] <flint_> :^)
[03:46] <highvoltage> flint_: not that i know of. i might have been very drunk. who is she again?
[03:47] <highvoltage> oh the illustrations :)
[03:47] <highvoltage> jean jordaan got the girl to draw them up, i had nothing to do with it i swear!
[03:48] <highvoltage> and you can ask me anything, i'm not easily offended :)
[03:48] <highvoltage> oh, and i do happen to be single at the moment, you can't work the hours i do and maintain a girlfriend!
[03:55] <flint_> highvoltage, jonathan, you are clearly the Dude...
[03:59] <jsgotangco> how do you maintain a girlfriend? do you grease it ever so often or stuff?
[04:00] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you spend time with her :)
[04:00] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: if you don't, she yells and screams and eventually leaves you
[04:00] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: last year, i had to choose between girlfriend and going to linuxworld
[04:01] <jsgotangco> linuxworld is nice
[04:01] <highvoltage> yep, it was great.
[04:02] <highvoltage> omg is this the time already
[04:02] <highvoltage> i think it's time that i go home
[04:02] <highvoltage> goodbye everyone!
[04:02] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: if you see ogra or janew around, just do an /op name please
[04:02] <highvoltage> cheers!
[04:03] <jsgotangco> heh why not just call chanserv :/
[04:03] <jsgotangco> oh he left already
[04:10] <juliux> jsgotangco, highvoltage fergot is chanserv password
[04:11] <jsgotangco> oh great and he doesn't remember that i'm in +8 timezone
[04:11] <juliux> so what
[04:11] <jsgotangco> im about to sleep
[04:11] <juliux> hehe
[04:13] <flint_> hey jsgotangco what is an /op name?
[04:13] <jsgotangco> oh he just meant i pass channel op to ogra or janew
[04:13] <juliux> flint_, then you get op here
[04:14] <flint_> juliux, suppose I want to shirk responsibility as I have my entire miserable life?
[04:16] <flint_> juliux, I need to log the conversation with hivoltage.  This stuff is great!!!  How do I do it, besides cut and paste?
[04:17] <juliux> flint_, there is a log in the internet of this channel i think
[04:18] <jsgotangco> \sh_away, please op ogra or janew when you are back when you see them thanks
[04:18] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep
[04:18] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:18] <juliux> flint_, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/edubuntu-current.html
[04:18] <juliux> flint_, there is a log file
[04:19] <flint_> juliux, keep in mind I am EST.  The sun is just rising here...
[04:19] <juliux> EST ?
[04:19] <lucasvo> eastern standard time
[04:19] <juliux> thxs lucasvo 
[04:20] <lucasvo> must be somewhere india/asia
[04:20] <lucasvo> or russia
[04:21] <flint_> lucasvo, nah, much colder, Vermont USA.
[04:21] <lucasvo> ho?
[04:21] <juliux> flint_, how cold it is by you ?
[04:21] <flint_> I have achieved the status of Political Refugee...
[04:22] <flint_> Today Warm two days ago -5 F.
[04:22] <juliux> moment i have to check what it is in celsius
[04:22] <lucasvo> juliux:  google: -5 farenheit to celsius
[04:23] <juliux> lucasvo, i have a wether applet
[04:23] <lucasvo> ah
[04:23] <juliux> lucasvo, an here we have 30 F and this is -1 Celsius
[04:23] <flint_> Gentlemen, I have a wife, and now honeydos... gotta go. :^(
[04:23] <lucasvo> flint_: why are you a refugee?
[04:23] <juliux> cu
[04:23] <lucasvo> cu
[04:24] <flint_> Born in DC.  Left Holloween. Now in Vermont.  I have a personal problem with Military Facisism... call me a wimp.
[04:26] <flint_> Gallaudet, the school for the Deaf in DC USA, has been using tty since forever.  Their prefered signoff is to send the abreviation os "Stop Key. Stop Key" or sksk.  I like this. 
[04:26] <flint_> sksk
[04:27] <crimsun> ...I missed something
[05:05] <digitalnova> im a newb to nix.  I went into terminal, used sudo to create a win32 directory under /usr/lib  so i can put some ASF codecs for totem in there.
[05:05] <digitalnova> ell , after i created the dir win32, i went into file manager, and the dir wasnt there?
[05:05] <digitalnova> ls -ld /usr/lib/win32     gets me file dir not found
[05:05] <digitalnova> but i can CD into win32
[05:36] <jelkner> flint: you here, paul?
[05:40] <lucasvo> my sister has problem with keyboard layout
[05:40] <lucasvo> it is strange, it always changes to US again
[05:40] <lucasvo> she can't turn on CHE in gnome
[06:31] <MeeKs> anyone here
[06:54] <steelballz> ogra: Are you on?
[06:54] <steelballz> helpme
[07:05] <MeeKs> im having trouble getting my wireless networking running with kubuntu
[07:05] <MeeKs> it wont work wired either
[07:14] <steelballz> helpme
[07:16] <spacey> whats wrong steelballz 
[07:19] <steelballz> Ogra was helping me yesterday trying to get ltsp to work on amd64 flight3
[07:20] <steelballz> Nothing worked so I tried a full install of daily 20060116 i386 and no there either
[07:26] <spacey> hmm, afraid thats to specific for me
[08:48] <signifer123> hey