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ograhi susus 12:34
susushi12:35
ogra:)12:35
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crimsunjordi: hi, I don't know offhand if Jani asked upstream12:42
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hubhi12:48
hubI just installed kubuntu flight 3, and I have a huge issue12:49
ryanpgfunny topic, save a copy for infinity :P12:49
hubthe uname does not match the kernel-image package12:50
huband that mess up as I don't have the right drivers12:50
hubany idea how to debug that?12:50
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hubno biggie, I configured the network by hand loading the right kernel module (hard to guess)01:04
huband I apt-get upgrade01:04
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jordicrimsun: I mailed him, I'll find out.01:55
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Bicchii need to write an application that looks just like the "update manager." A bubble should popup showing that an action needs to take place. can anyone point me in the right direction to do this.05:29
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BurgundaviaBicchi, update manager uses the notification-daemon for its notifications05:49
floamBicchi: anything can do those, even you (go to a terminal and type notify-send Bicchi "Is a very silly man"05:50
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Bicchifloam: notify-send doesn't do anything05:59
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floamis xchat-gnome's spell checking broken everywhere?06:07
Bicchifloam: notify-send doesn't do anything. how can i display stuff in the notification area. sorry to bother you. :)06:08
floamthe notification daemon is what that uses, on dapper06:11
Bicchiyeah but you said to type on the console: notify-send message here06:11
Bicchiand it doesn't do anything, i am thinking maybe the name is wrong06:12
floamBicchi: if nothing happens something is probably messed up06:13
Bicchiits weird because i do get those notifications. it must be done some other way. i even get the bubble to popup and allows me click update and everything.06:15
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DenAnyone here?09:06
HiddenWolfnever09:06
DenHiddenWolf: Say, can you give me some info regarding what I should do about a bug, about perhaps requesting that the latest kernel be put into Breezy & released as an  update?09:08
HiddenWolfnewest kernel is not going to happen.09:08
HiddenWolfhotplug to udev conversion etc.09:08
DenI had a bug with external HD offlining, BenC told me to check out latest kernel09:08
HiddenWolfbugs should be filed in malone launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/bugs09:09
DenMithrandir got me a cd with Dapper, the bug is gone.09:09
HiddenWolfDen: kernel can not be put back into breezy without breaking the world.09:09
HiddenWolfDen: I guess you'll have to use dapper. Which is pretty stable already.09:10
DenSo, anyone here who could put the newest kernel into dapper?09:10
HiddenWolfDen: if it's on BenC's tree, it'll be in shortly, :)09:10
DenEr, dapper has mouse & display brightnes problems09:10
DenHiddenWolf: What do you mean?  How do I know if it's in BC's tree?09:10
Kamionif BenC told you to check it out, it's in his tree09:11
Kamionhe's the Ubuntu kernel maintainer09:11
DenHiddenWolf: Ok, so why do you say it'll be in shortly, when earlier you said newest kernel isn't gonna happen?09:12
HiddenWolfDen: kernel will not be updated for Breezy, but it's still under development for Dapper.09:12
Kamionit'll be into *dapper* shortly. 2.6.15 kernels in *breezy* are not going to happen.09:12
HiddenWolfKamion: hah, beat you to the punch. :)09:13
DenWell, if it's the _kernel_ that fixed the bug, and the kernel won't be updated in Brez, then Brez is being left with a bad bug, & that seems bad.09:14
KamionPerhaps the fix can be backported (ask Ben about that), but we can't just drop the newest kernel in verbatim.09:14
Mithrandirmost people don't have firewire devices, so doesn't affect most people.09:14
DenDon't the developers want to get bad bugs out of a system that will not be supersceded or at least 3 months?09:15
KamionPlease read what I said.09:15
DenMithrandir: Hi!  Hey - your cd worked, and solved the bug about offlined devices.09:15
Mithrandircoolie09:15
MithrandirDen: that depends on how risky fixing the bug is.  Better with one bug we know about than a random number we don't.09:16
DenMithrandir: Ok, I didn't realize you were on here.  So, if you read my statements above, you know the situation.  So, I'll report back to the bug & BenC the result.  So, I'm wondering what, if anything, I should ask BenC to do (as a way of summarizing the situation to him).09:18
DenMithrandir: It doesn't seem good to leave the bug there, so should I suggest he see if he can backport the fix, since I'm told here it's too much difficulty to backport the kernel?09:19
Kamionlet him worry about what to do ...09:19
Kamionyou don't go to a doctor and tell him what to prescribe. :-)09:19
DenKamion: :)09:19
MithrandirDen: just give him the information and he'll decide.  He's the one who knows the kernel best and is in the best position to decide.09:20
MithrandirKamion: my girlfriend does that. ;-)09:20
Kamionand be prepared for the possibility that he'll say that it's too much work to backport it to breezy given the severity of the bug09:20
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DenIs BenC often active on this channel?  I've never once seen a post by him.  I'm wondering so as to know if I shoujld email him, or try to catch him here & chat with him about what to do.  When is he usually online?09:21
Mithrandirhe live in the US09:22
DenMithrandir: So do I.09:22
Kamione-mail, or comment on the bug09:22
Mithrandirsure that should work09:22
DenWhen is BenC usually active on this channel?09:22
Kamionhe's normally here during US working hours09:22
DenKamion: thx09:23
Kamionbut fairly quiet09:23
DenOk, anyone.  So, Dapper has mouse & display brightness problems that Breezy doesn't.  What am I supposed to do about reporting that.  Are those know issues?09:24
HiddenWolfDen: check launchpad, and if there isn't a bug open, please file one.09:24
DenAnyone - A week or so I checked the bug track system, after it had moved from ?Bugzilla to ?Launchpad, and it seemed that the bug # for the bug I'd submitted on Bugzilla was now for a different bug, and also when I searched using words for the bug I'd submitted, it didn't come up.  Were bugs supposedly brought across using the sme bug #'s?09:28
HiddenWolfubuntu.com is down.09:30
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DenShould a bug from ubuntu bugzilla have been transfered into Launchpad?  Bugzilla says "not for changing bugs, logins disabled".  Should I file a bug that my bug wasnt' transfered?  Or, start a new bug entry for the same bug? Or???09:45
HiddenWolfDen: it should've been transferred, but ask on #launchpad for the specifics09:47
DenHiddenWolf: thx09:50
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zygais ubuntu.com down or is it just my network?10:05
Burgundaviazyga, nah, is down for me as well10:06
mdkemorning all10:06
lsuactiafnerubuntu needs mkvtoolnix to better support Matroska video files, its open source but yet ubuntu doesnt promote such formats that wouldnt give a patent headache in the long-term?10:07
Burgundavialsuactiafner, is matroska patent-encumbered?10:08
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lsuactiafnernope, not as far as i can tell10:09
lsuactiafnerhttp://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/10:09
lsuactiafnerhttp://www.matroska.org/10:09
lsuactiafneri cant manage to install it from source, i tried to install its dependancies manually but they didnt want to work either, seems a large piece of ubuntu is outdated which also needs attention10:10
lsuactiafnerlook @ this goal:      * Establish Matroska as the opensource alternative to existing containers such as AVI, ASF, MOV, RM, MP4, MPG10:12
lsuactiafnerand media developers already think Matroska is the best container for media10:13
lsuactiafnerif its adopted rather than avi thats one less hassle for open-source developers10:13
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KamionDen: there's a link from the Bugzilla page for the old bug number to the new Launchpad bug. Try there.10:45
KamionYes, bug numbers have changed.10:46
DenKamion: yes, I was told about it.  But, it seems launchpad itself has a bug in its search function.10:46
KamionYou don't need to use the search function. What's the old bug number?10:47
DenKamion: see my comment in #launchpad - last comment to mdke10:47
KamionOK, it looks like you've already found the bug so there's no longer a problem10:47
DenKamion: Bugzilla Bug 2156510:47
Ubugtumalone bug 21565 in wireless-tools "ERROR: invalid MAC Address at line 2, this is dangerous" [Minor,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2156510:47
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DenKamion: well, there's no problem now as far as my bug being in the launchpad system, buth there is a problem with launchpad search of text words in the bug topic failing to find the correct search resuldts.10:48
Kamionhttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21565 has a link saying "View this bug in Launchpad".10:48
Ubugtuubuntu bug 21565 in linux "external hard disk disconnects (firewire ieee1394 over SCSI) during file copy 'Read-only file system' 'Device offlined'" [Normal,Needinfo]  10:48
Kamionright, but that's #launchpad's problem and not ours. :-)10:49
DenKamion: yes, but I'm a seldom user of bugzilla, & didn't know to look for that, 10:49
Kamionit's on the bug page for your bug *shrug*10:50
DenKamion: I _did_ look on launchpad, & launchpad failed - so I'm letting you know about this launchpad bug,cause I'm too tired & busy to do anything abou t it10:50
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DenKamion: Anyway - thanks for your help.! :)10:50
netduron livecd, how do I do pre-select screen resolution? (livecd customization)10:59
Mithrandirin dapper or breezy?11:00
netdurhoary11:00
netdurI guess... must be the same as breezy11:01
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Mithrandiryes, it is.11:02
Mithrandiryou could possibly preseed it, I'd think.11:02
netdurhmm? what file to edit?11:03
netdurI don't what "preseed" mean!!!11:05
Mithrandirno need to use multiple exclamation marks11:06
Mithrandiryou have read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo ?11:06
Mithrandirsearch for "preseed" on that page11:06
netdurI use it to pre-select lang and keymap, I did not know I could use it to pre-select screen secolution11:08
netdurMithrandir, sorry11:10
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netdurMithrandir, thanks for help "DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical" help to skip the questions... which is fine for me11:15
Mithrandiroh, ok.  Yeah, it should11:16
simiraMithrandir: good morning, honey. Working today also?11:17
simiraoh. Not interested today. 11:21
simiramwell11:21
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poningruquestion where should I be filing bugs to for dapper?12:01
lifelesslp12:01
poningruI only see about 32 bugs there12:01
poningruso...12:01
poningruI mean people have to be filing more right?12:02
mpt__poningru, most bugs are being reported just on Ubuntu, afaict12:02
poningruoh ok12:02
mpt__and then developers are targeting them to Dapper or not12:02
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poningruso should I do the same? or file it under dapper?12:02
mpt__I honestly don't know12:03
netdurmalone?12:03
poningruyeah same thing12:04
mdkeponingru, if it's dapper specific, it would make sense to file under dapper I think12:04
poningruok also should I file some of the obvious ones?12:04
poningrulike two instances of screensaver under system->pref12:05
poningruI mean I assume the dev knows about it12:06
mpt__If it's not in the bug tracker, they can't use the bug tracker to decide what to work on next12:06
poningruok this is def weird and confusing, but I will search under ubuntu also before filing for dapper12:07
poningruthanks for the help12:07
mdkesearching under Ubuntu should turn up dapper bugs too, I would have thought12:08
Kamionponingru: there's no particular need to file them under dapper12:12
Kamionponingru: we'll take care of targeting bugs to dapper as necessary for release management12:12
zygawhat is the current standards version?12:12
poningruKamion: oh ok12:13
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mpt__aha, you can't "file it under dapper" anyway12:19
mpt__https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+filebug redirects to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug12:19
mpt__which is good12:19
Kamionzyga: sudo apt-get install debian-policy12:21
zygaKamion: merci12:21
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poningrumpt__: doh12:35
poningrumpt__: now I see it12:36
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\shgnarf01:14
\shloopback is not setup properly01:14
\shrunning 2.6.15-14-amd64-generic 01:15
\shcan anybody confirm this? 01:16
\sh[pid  5732]  stat("/usr/bin/xauth", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=35880, ...}) = 001:16
\sh[pid  5732]  socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP) = 701:16
\sh[pid  5732]  bind(7, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(6010), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 EADDRNOTAVAIL (Cannot assign requested address)01:16
\sh[pid  5732]  close(7)                    = 001:16
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Kamion\sh_away: 'ifup lo'. Check whether that solves your openssh bug too; bugs from a system without lo tend to be invalid01:42
mdke\sh_away, see if you have duplicate entries for an interface in /etc/network/interfaces which is preventing your system from bring up lo01:49
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jdongis there any chance we can get a newer libxine in Dapper?03:32
zygajdong: maybe, but unlikely03:32
jdongzyga: the current version cannot play h.264 mpeg4's at all03:32
jdongthe xine folks say that 1.1.0 and onward have full h264 support03:33
zygajdong: you need to convice someone (I cannot remember who/which group) that this is critical03:33
zygaor just badly needed03:33
jdongalright, off to LP then03:33
siretartjdong: we have 1.1.1 in dapper, FYI03:34
jdonghmm, I'm not pulling it.... when was it put there?03:34
siretartjdong: this is the latest upstream release. so I don't think dapper will get anything newer03:35
jdongsiretart:  1.1.1 is perfect; just somehow I'm not getting it03:35
siretartjdong: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/xine-lib03:35
jdongwow I feel stupid03:36
jdongsomehow there are a bunch of breezy lines in my sources.list03:36
jdongI swear I changed them over!03:36
jdongwait... booted into wrong partition03:37
jdonghehe03:37
jdongalright, everyone, point and laugh at jdong03:37
siretartjdong: but honestly, I think you are more interested in http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/xine-extracodecs03:37
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HiddenWolfsiretart: yeah, that's a pity, it used to be only gstreamer that needed tweaking before it'd play. Now with xine lobotomised too, video sucks. :)04:30
siretartHiddenWolf: I'd also like to change the world :(04:31
HiddenWolfsiretart: let's do it together. :)04:33
crimsunI find both gstreamer and xine work well for my test cases04:34
siretartHiddenWolf: how? - I currently don't see much interest in discussing patent issues in the community04:34
siretartin the one corner, you have developers of video players, which are pissed by distributions, because of 'patent issues'. They say that there are so many patents in distributions already, that it wouldn't matter to include/ship their software04:35
siretartin the other corner you have distributions, who fear legal prosecution from a really livid multimedia lobby04:36
topyliand the winner is... ta-daa! nobody :)04:37
siretartrecent example: see the discussion about the status of ffmpeg and rte in debian. ffmpeg IS in debian, and can be used to encode video into mpeg, and rte offers the same functionality, but may not enter debian04:37
siretartbecause of this very reason.04:37
siretarttopyli: the loosers are our users :(04:38
topyliyep04:38
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Gandalfarinfinity: I have a broken initrd here for 2.6.15-14-386, it doesn't recognize the hard disk after breezy -> dapper upgrade, does this help you?05:17
wasabiHeh. All initrd's I generate don't work. ;)05:19
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hungerGandalfar: I think you should file a bugreport, attach the initrd and assign it to adam conrad.05:59
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zwnji try to run Gedit in Persian locale, but """LANG=fa_IR gedit""" doesn't work.  same about other gnome applications.07:01
Treenakswow, my SD card reader has some (non-working) driver in current dapper07:03
zygazwnj: could you try running gedit from the terminal and checking out if it says anything helpful?07:04
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jordidaniel nylander07:10
jordithis dude is like the translation superhero07:10
Treenakswhy?07:11
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jordihe submits a new translation to rosetta every hour or less07:11
Treenakswow07:11
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jordihe hit a bug with his policycoreutils translation though :)07:12
zygajordi: upstream or his own?07:13
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jordizyga: his own I'd say07:20
zwnjzyga: i tried, and it says nothing.  no error with fa_IR.  but if i set LANG to something like ab_CD, it makes Gtk-WARNING: Locale not supported by C library.07:20
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zygazwnj: that's because fa_IR is a valid locale and ab_CD is not07:21
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zygazwnj: does it crash? does it exit silently?07:22
zwnjand i do have this file: /usr/share/locale-langpack/fa/LC_MESSAGES/gedit.mo07:22
zwnjzyga: no, it just works like en_US locale07:22
zygazwnj: ah, okay07:23
zygazwnj: then check out if that file really contains any translations 07:23
zwnji tried both fa_IR and fa_IR.UTF-807:23
zygazwnj: or better, take the upstream version of corresponding .po file and rebuild the .mo file yourself07:23
zwnjlemme test a Persian session from GDM07:24
zwnjAFAIR, everything works in that way07:24
zwnjit's not a gedit bug07:24
zwnjnon of gnome applications works07:25
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zwnjzyga: any idea?07:35
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zygazwnj|away: no, sorry07:52
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poningrumako: may I suggest a human turing test?08:54
poningrumako: just create a text box with the message dont put anything in here if you are human08:55
poningruofcourse you might have idiots that will fail it: http://adam.rosi-kessel.org/weblog/this_weblog/humans_fall_turing_test.html08:55
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dredgthen surely they fail the turing test and are pronounced not human, right? :)09:04
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poningrudredg: hehe yeah and their comments are not posted09:42
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dredgponingru: the correct response from the server should be to kill them in the face.09:57
dredgnow if only there was an rfc for that09:57
poningruI dont know we could try to create a firefox extension that will do that09:57
poningrualthough we would have to convince the user to install it09:58
mptthat's similar to jwz's "audio-cock technology"09:59
dredghmm. i wonder if my employers would take issue with adding this feature to the google toolbar...10:00
mpthttp://jwz.livejournal.com/123070.html?thread=521918#t52191810:01
dredghah. awesome10:02
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Mezoh poop, we're in UVF arent we10:51
Mezso I might as well click "cancel" on that email I was about to send10:51
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EvanCarrollAre there any plans to upgrade the mplayer package, aparently #mplayer says they are 9months old11:17
crimsuneh?11:17
crimsunmplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre7try2+cvs20060117-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Sources11:17
crimsun(I suppose you could always ask for a backport to breezy)11:18
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EvanCarrollThats 9 months old.11:18
EvanCarrollI'm on dapper.11:18
crimsunhuh?11:18
EvanCarrollold checkout i suppose.11:18
crimsunsurely you mean _12 days_11:18
poningrufrom their website: v1.0pre7try2 is the latest stable11:20
EvanCarrollI'm confused, I agree with you11:20
EvanCarrollI just want my rm to play at this point11:20
EvanCarrolland it doesn't with the version in the dapper archive =[11:21
EvanCarrollpastebin.com/52946211:21
crimsunEvanCarroll: it's really quite simple; slomo did a fresh cvs checkout on Jan 17th, which is 12 days ago11:21
EvanCarrollI agree11:21
EvanCarrollI'm blaming it on bad cvs11:21
EvanCarrollTell me if these work for you w/ your mplayer11:22
EvanCarrollwebcast.berkeley.edu/courses/archive.php?seriesid=190697827011:22
crimsunlet's take this to #ubuntu, because I have a feeling you're trying to play media unsupported by your installed codecs11:22
EvanCarrollI have the w32codecs11:22
EvanCarrollworks with xine11:23
poningruthat wont do11:23
EvanCarrollWhy is that?11:24
poningruI think realplayer 10 messes up w32codec11:25
poningrudont remember the details11:26
EvanCarrollI dont have it installed.11:26
crimsunI can't play it at all11:26
EvanCarrollcrimsun: And thats the problem.11:26
crimsunagain, this is a support question, let's migrate to #ubuntu11:26
poningruyeah11:26
poningruEvanCarroll: #ubuntu11:26
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EvanCarroll16:18 < theoddbot> its bad packager11:30
EvanCarroll16:18 < theoddbot> apt-get build-dep mplayer11:30
EvanCarroll16:18 < theoddbot> then checkout your own cvs and build it11:30
EvanCarroll16:19 < theoddbot> i'm running ubuntu with cvs and it works just fine11:30
EvanCarroll16:19 < theoddbot> strangley enough that particular package (that i also having installed) is fubar11:30
EvanCarroll16:19 < theoddbot> so yeah11:30
EvanCarrollthat makes two people experiencing the same problem, I'll have my own build done in about 30min11:31
poningruwhat happens when xine tries to play it?11:32
EvanCarrollWorks perfectly11:32
EvanCarrollfor him too, he is also on dapper11:32
EvanCarrollguess I wont be building my own, libasound dev files 404ing11:38
EvanCarrollI'll build after archives updates, and get back to #ubuntu-devel11:39
slomoEvanCarroll: what about filing a bug then ;P i'll take a look at it this week and try to get it fixed11:39
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EvanCarrollBah i suppose I should do that too. =/ being a little lethargic today11:50
slomoEvanCarroll: just as a reminder for me... add the url that doesn't work there, a short description and assign it to slomo11:51
EvanCarrollsure thing got the url of the bugtracker11:51
slomohttps://launchpad.net/malone11:52

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