[03:11] <robotgeek> hi, anybody home?
[03:31] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, nope
[03:32] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: what's the best way to create diff's for new files, individual?
[03:33] <robotgeek> i mean i added new files, should i just create diff's for each one?
[03:33] <Burgundavia> you want to get a new file added to svn?
[03:34] <robotgeek> yessir
[03:34] <Burgundavia> just attach the whole file to your email and mention that you want to add it
[03:34] <robotgeek> heh, that is so much easier. lol
[03:36] <robotgeek> okay, i'll just attach and email. can i just tar.gz the directory and mail it?
[03:43] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, are you looking at a lot of files?
[03:43] <Burgundavia> and what sort?
[03:44] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: if you can copy the ubuntu-desktop-guide contents over here, that would be great
[03:45] <robotgeek> ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide/C -> ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/desktopguide/C
[03:47] <Burgundavia> I don't have enough experience with the svn server recently to be comfortable doing that
[03:48] <robotgeek> okay, i'll just ask on the mailing list?
[03:48] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:49] <robotgeek> thank Burgundavia 
[03:50] <Burgundavia> np
[05:04] <sola_phides> hi
[05:05] <sola_phides> i was wondering if there is a guide for installing ubuntu without internet connection
[09:47] <mdke> robotgeek_away, you can just diff the whole directory
[10:08] <mdke> enrico, buongiorno, have you got 2 minutes?
[10:16] <enrico> mdke: I can try 
[10:16] <enrico> mdke: buongiorno!
[10:16] <mdke> enrico, :) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2006-January/004930.html
[10:17] <mdke> could you have a look for that user and see if anything is obviously wrong on his settings?
[10:17] <enrico> mdke: ok.  let's see if I find the list admin password :)
[10:18] <Burgundavia> mdke, any objections to me also getting admin rights on the ubuntu-doc mailing list?
[10:18] <mdke> no
[10:18] <mdke> you could replace Liz?
[10:18] <Burgundavia> sure
[10:19] <mdke> enrico, grazie
[10:19] <Burgundavia> though my chromosomes are rather different and i don't think I am pretty
[10:19] <enrico> mdke: looks like I can't find the password. Let's search in my mail archive...
[10:19] <mdke> enrico, ok, don't spend too long on it tho
[10:21] <enrico> mdke: could it be that the password has been changed recently?  I tried passwords from my old mail archive and they don't work either
[10:23] <mdke> enrico, I don't know I'm afraid. No problem, we can wait for Jerome to turn up. He should have it
[10:24] <enrico> k
[10:24] <enrico> mdke: if the list configuration is ok, then it could be an error on his side, like a spam filter
[10:24] <robotgeek> mdke: thanks for the commit
[10:25] <mdke> enrico, yeah these things are normally user problems I guess
[10:25] <mdke> robotgeek, no problem
[10:33] <mdke> man I hate it when evolution randomly expands all my threads in all the folders
[10:34] <robotgeek> heh, i use kmail > evolution
[01:03] <mdke> but robotgeek_away has plans for working on it
[01:03] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[01:03] <jsgotangco> mdke, you taking over rob's work?
[01:03] <jsgotangco> (happy new year btw)
[01:04] <mdke> jsgotangco, which work?
[01:05] <jsgotangco> faqguide
[01:06] <mdke> rob isn't working on the docs anymore
[01:07] <jsgotangco> :(
[01:08] <mdke> he said he might do a bit
[01:08] <mdke> but i think it makes sense to take him off as contact for the guide
[01:08] <jsgotangco> ok sir
[01:08] <jsgotangco> :)
[01:10] <mdke> hmm wtf is docbase? https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bug/29105
[01:11] <jsgotangco> enrico?
[01:15] <enrico> jsgotangco: hi!
[01:15] <enrico> mdke: docbase is a system used to register documentation in a Debian-based system
[01:15] <jsgotangco> mdke, what about https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc/+bug/29153 can we close this after we edit the source and change it to alacarte?
[01:15] <mdke> enrico, do we need it?
[01:16] <enrico> mdke: sure :)
[01:16] <enrico> mdke: and it's just a matter of writing a small metadata file
[01:16] <enrico> mdke: apt-get install doc-base
[01:16] <mdke> jsgotangco, sure, we fix the bug, then close it
[01:17] <enrico> mdke: the package contains a small "Debian doc-base Manual" which will tell you everything about it
[01:17] <mdke> alrighty
[01:17] <enrico> jsgotangco: how can I help you?
[01:17] <jsgotangco> enrico, hi, you already did (the malone bug above)
[01:17] <jsgotangco> :D
[01:20] <jsgotangco> yes great leader
[01:21] <mdke> ??
[01:24] <jsgotangco> ok will dear leader do?
[01:24] <jsgotangco> :)
[01:24] <jsgotangco> i've wanted to tackle those pending bugs since bugzilla but couldn't find anyone to discuss it before :/
[01:28] <enrico> jsgotangco: oh, cool! :)
[01:46] <highvoltage> mdke: i can see :)
[01:48] <mdke> sorry for spam
[01:48] <mdke> ok i've had enough
[01:48] <mdke> cya
[01:56] <highvoltage> seeya!
[02:09] <mpt__> mdke, if "The fix will be in dapper with the next upload", it hasn't been released yet, so it shouldbe Fix Committed
[02:10] <mpt__> The distinction is so that people using the current release can search for a bug and see that a fix has been committed since that release, instead of reporting a duplicate.
[03:06] <mdke> mpt, yes I know, but I am cutting corners. The problem is that we don't get round to looking at bugs very much, so it is quicker to close bugs like that. I'm willing to take the risk of duplicates
[03:14] <jsgotangco> hrmmm how much would 1GB USB stick cost lately
[03:14] <jsgotangco> ?
[07:25] <robitaille> mdke:  ping
[07:28] <mdke> robitaille, pong
[07:29] <robitaille> bugs 29059  and 29137  Should they be "rejected"?  They are still open upstream
[07:30] <mdke> robitaille, they are rejected in ubuntu-docs because they aren't bugs in that package. I _think_ that "rejected" includes the bugzilla UPSTREAM
[07:30] <mdke> i might be wrong tho
[07:31] <robitaille> so they should be rejected for "ubuntu-docs (ubuntu)", but unconfirmed for  upstream
[07:31] <robitaille> or something like that...still getting use to Malone...
[07:32] <mdke> yes, but in this case the upstream is gnome, which doesn't use Malone, so there is no upstream fix there
[07:33] <mdke> also, ubuntu-docs is also an upstream project with bugs filed :) that's the confusing part
[07:33] <mdke> in fact all the bugs I've been working on today were in ubuntu-docs (upstream)
[07:36] <robitaille> for 29059,  maybe   we should do "gnome users docs(upstream) unconfirmed" and "ubuntu-docs (ubuntu) rejected".  
[07:36] <mdke> is there a gnome users docs (upstream)?
[07:36] <robitaille> let me try
[07:36] <mdke> i thought because gnome doesn't use malone, there wouldn't be one
[07:38] <robitaille> there is a gnome2-user doc.  look at 29059 now
[07:40] <robitaille> maybe it makes more sense that way.  the bug is close for us, but malone can still point to upstream if anyone ever care
[07:41] <mdke> robitaille, i don't think it helps, because the gnome developers don't use or maintain that. It is just adding confusion about when the bug gets fixed. That module was probably just added because some translator team uses rosetta to translate gnome
[07:43] <mdke> in fact, it might be a bit counterproductive
[07:43] <mdke> users might think that doing that will help get their bug fixed, but it won't
[07:44] <robitaille> but personally I find this confusing to see that upstream is rejected while it is not
[07:44] <robitaille> but at the end of day, I don't really care one way or the other :)
[07:46] <mdke> that is a bug in malone, IMO
[07:46] <mdke> the bug is: "rejected" doesn't mean rejected
[07:47] <mdke> or rather, it means rejected for ubuntu-docs, and the correct package where the bug is doesn't use malone, so...
[07:48] <mdke> it would work if everyone used malone :D
[07:50] <mdke> but we can't keep bugs open in two places, IMHO
[07:53] <robitaille> all the upstream bugs are open in two places....
[07:53] <robitaille> in Malone and gnome's bugzilla for example
[07:54] <mdke> gnome bugs aren't open in malone as upstream bugs, or at least, they shouldn't be
[07:54] <mdke> only ubuntu bugs and bugs in products that use malone as their bugtrackers are in Malone
[07:55] <mdke> afaik
[07:55] <robitaille> i guess you're right.  
[07:56] <mdke> it's pretty confusing, but I think that is how it works
[07:56] <mdke> launchpad is easy if everyone uses it, but a bit tricky if upstream doesn't use it
[07:58] <robitaille> i have been looking at my pile of bugs in malone, and all the upstreams are also valid ubuntu bugs as well, thus open in both locations
[07:59] <mdke> ah
[08:43] <mpt> mdke, if Launchpad could show you (or anyone else) a summary of all Ubuntu doc bugs, including how many were New, how many were Fix Committed, how many were Fix Released, and so on, would that make you less likely to cut corners?
[09:10] <mdke> mpt, absolutely. Especially "list all Fix Committed"
[09:11] <mpt> yeah
[09:16] <mdke> mpt, if launchpad would send me fewer emails, that would be good too
[09:16] <mdke> maybe figure out that I'm a member of the ubuntu-doc group, and not send me a separate mail too
[09:16] <mdke> dunno if that would work tho
[09:24] <SteveMyers> Mr.Galvin, you available?
[09:24] <mpt> (mgalvin)
[09:25] <mgalvin> SteveMyers, mpt: yes?
[09:25] <SteveMyers> mglavin are you available?
[09:25] <SteveMyers> ah ok
[09:25] <SteveMyers> mind if I pm you real quick?
[09:25] <mgalvin> sure