[02:25] <JohnnyMast> ots back :)
[02:25] <JohnnyMast> *its back
[03:41] <JohnnyMast> any one from the UK here ?
[03:47] <LaserJock_away> doko: ping?
[05:25] <bmonty> how stupid is it to not put any password on console access to your router?
[05:26] <Yagisan> bmonty: very
[05:26] <bmonty> tell that to the hotel I'm currently staying at
[05:26] <Yagisan> bmonty: so where is this router >:)
[05:26] <bmonty> that wouldn't be nice :)
[05:27] <Yagisan> bmonty: It's my job - besides when I'm sick, sometimes I'm tempted by the darkside
[05:27] <bmonty> I added a password for them ;)
[05:28] <Yagisan> r00tm3 :)
[05:28] <bmonty> yeah, something like that
[05:29] <bmonty> that was me a couple days ago
[05:29] <bmonty> I prayed to the porcelin god for a couple hours :(
[05:30] <Yagisan> I was so bad last night, my wife called an ambulance
[05:30] <bmonty> ouch
[05:30] <Yagisan> yep - ouch is the word
[05:31] <bmonty> I'm guessing they hooked you up to a saline IV, right?
[05:31] <Yagisan> nope :( I was advised due to the current waiting times at all hospitials near me
[05:32] <Yagisan> I'd have more dignaty lying in a corner of my house
[05:32] <Yagisan> before I'd get medical treatment
[05:32] <bmonty> you are in Canada, right?
[05:32] <Yagisan> Australia
[05:32] <bmonty> ah, sorry
[05:32] <bmonty> :)
[05:33] <Yagisan> I took the dignified (if you can call it that) option
[05:33] <Yagisan> and that was 18 hours agao
[05:33] <VoX> what state you in, Yagisan?
[05:33] <Yagisan> I can now start to move arround
[05:33] <Yagisan> VoX: NSW
[05:34] <VoX> ah
[05:34] <bmonty> something a pharmacist avised me on the other day for naseau...
[05:34] <bmonty> take some cola syrup and pour a couple tablespoons over ice and then sip it
[05:34] <bmonty> helped calm down my nausea the other night
[05:35] <Yagisan> that may be hard - I'm having trouble keeping that water down :(
[05:35] <Yagisan> s/that/the
[05:35] <bmonty> keeping water down would be a prerequist I would think
[05:36] <Yagisan> I advise no one to ever eat at subway, in the DFO centre, homebush bay, NSW
[05:36] <bmonty> Yagisan: gotta hand it to you, there is no way i could sit at my computer when I feel like blowing chunks
[05:37] <bmonty> as of a couple days ago, Quiznos is my new favorite sub shop
[05:37] <Yagisan> bmonty: It's holding me up - If I lie down it gets worse
[05:37] <Yagisan> and anyway - I don't get sick pay
[05:38] <Yagisan> so I'd still be here - even if I snapped my arms and legs off
[05:38] <Yagisan> my kids need to eat - so I need to work
[05:38] <bmonty> unfortunately, I know the feeling
[05:40] <bmonty> even though I've been sick, I think I'm pushing 80 hours for this week
[05:41] <Yagisan> ouch - I hate working that long
[05:41] <bmonty> at least I get to fly home tommorrow
[05:41] <bmonty> and I got to mess with this stupid hotel's router :)
[05:41] <Yagisan> so, where are you now ?
[05:42] <bmonty> Idaho
[05:42] <Yagisan> I was given a card by the ambulance people last night
[05:43] <bmonty> I don't want to take down their network, cause I'm sure their billing system is somehow tied to it, and I don't want to mess up leaving tomorrow morning
[05:43] <Yagisan> it says to give it to the *next* ambulance if I get worse
[05:43] <Yagisan> I wonder - If I get worse - how will I even remember that I have a card to give them ?
[05:44] <bmonty> that is a prime example of why I hope the democrats never succeed in making a government health care system in the US
[05:47] <Yagisan> I wish the government here spent some money on health care
[05:47] <Yagisan> I was quoted between 5~7 hours waiting time
[05:48] <bmonty> damn, that sucks
[05:48] <Yagisan> :(
[05:48] <bmonty> is there the option to pay a hospital to get faster service?
[05:48] <Yagisan> possibly - but I don't have private insurance
[05:49] <bmonty> is that common to not have health insurance in australia?
[05:51] <Yagisan> if you are under 30, there really is no incentive or reason to have private insurance, although with the current government determined to Americanize everything that may change :(
[05:52] <Kyral> uuuh
[05:52] <Kyral> how would someone debianize a Ruby app?
[05:54] <bmonty> Yagisan: interesting....I wouldn't go without insurance, but I know people that do
[05:56] <bmonty> Kyral: I have no clue, but I would start with looking at a ruby app that is packaged
[06:00] <Yagisan> bmonty: considering how much people a taxed in Australia, we have an expectation of timely quality health care. I discovered however that it has gotten much worse since I last needed to use it
[06:01] <Yagisan> bmonty: the last time I needed a hospital trip (about 14 years ago) I had about a 20 minute wait as it was non-urgent
[06:06] <bmonty> Yagisan: take it easy...I hope you feel better soon
[06:07] <Yagisan> thanks bmonty
[06:42] <phlaegel> so... any chance of updating python-libgmail? the version in universe now doesn't work at all... v0.1.3.3 from libgmail.sf.net works fine
[10:34] <Slant_Laptop> Is the method of moving from breezy to dapper update/dist-upgrade?
[10:34] <Slant_Laptop> Or is there any place with further documentation noted?
[10:36] <Slant_Laptop> That was smooth.
[11:54] <Zomb> hi
[11:54] <Zomb> for those who care about... (icewm) - don't pull Sid version 1.2.14-1, it is slightly flawed
[12:09] <zyga> what is the current standards version?
[12:13] <siretart> Zomb: thank you very much for your notice. we currently have 1.2.23-3 in dapper
[12:13] <Zomb> yeah, freeze it before 1.2.24-2 appears
[12:13] <siretart> Zomb: and since we are past UVF (Upstream version freeze), updates have to be requested manually
[12:14] <Zomb> ok
[12:25] <ajmitch_> morning \sh
[12:26] <\sh> morning ajmitch
[12:26] <\sh> hmm..does anybody see error message in /var/log/{messages,user.log,*}
[12:26] <\sh> Jan 29 12:20:05 amd64-home sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_foreground.so)
[12:26] <\sh> Jan 29 12:20:05 amd64-home sudo: PAM [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_foreground.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] 
[12:26] <ajmitch_> \sh: yes
[12:26] <\sh> Jan 29 12:20:05 amd64-home sudo: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_foreground.so
[12:27] <ajmitch_> maybe install libpam-foreground
[12:27] <ajmitch_> broken dep somewhere :)
[12:27] <\sh> ajmitch: well, it's in the default config
[12:27] <\sh> hehe....
[12:27] <ajmitch_> sound sort of stopped working
[12:28] <\sh> other thing is, that my ssh -X doesn't work anymore (again.the last time I think I had some problems with X)
[12:28] <ajmitch_> pick a developer to blame
[12:32] <\sh> hmmm
[12:32] <\sh> an 29 12:30:43 amd64-home sshd[5424] : error: Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket.
[12:34] <\sh> wtf is this/
[12:34] <\sh> time to file some bugs against ssh and/or pam and/or daniels ;0
[12:37] <ajmitch_> \sh: failed creating a socket in /tmp?
[12:38] <\sh> ajmitch_: no message about /tmp...only this crap..I'll file a bug
[12:39] <ajmitch_> \sh: strace sshd
[12:47] <\sh> ajmitch_: it's a problem...there is no local monitor connected to the machine I sshd to ..
[12:48] <ajmitch_> aha
[12:48] <ajmitch_> why is that a problem? :)
[12:48] <\sh> ajmitch_: I don't want to reboot the machine :)
[12:49] <ajmitch_> reboot? whatever for? :)
[12:49] <\sh> ajmitch_: ok...how would you do strace sshd?
[12:50] <ajmitch_> ssh in normally, attach to the process, and then ssh -X
[12:50] <ajmitch_> look for the open() calls or similar
[12:53] <\sh> well...
[12:53] <\sh> there is not much to see
[12:53] <\sh> i'm attaching the the root process of sshd
[12:53] <\sh> (which is running as uid root)
[12:54] <ajmitch_> strace -f ?
[12:54] <\sh> argl..
[12:54] <\sh> i used strace -p
[12:54] <ajmitch_> well you'd use both I think
[12:54] <ajmitch_> since -f follows forks
[12:54] <\sh> yeah....forgot that
[01:07] <\sh> oh damn
[01:13] <\sh> argl
[01:13] <\sh> device lo is not setup properly
[01:14] <\sh> ifconfig tells me only eth0 is setup
[01:14] <\sh> but not the loopback
[01:15] <ajmitch_> ah
[01:15] <ajmitch_> that problem
[01:15] <\sh> yep
[01:15] <ajmitch_> I had that yesterday
[01:16] <\sh> bug interfaces shows the correct configuration...
[01:16] <\sh> auto lo is there..
[01:16] <\sh> lo is set to loopback
[01:16] <ajmitch_> and /etc/init.d/networking restart fails
[01:17] <\sh> you tried it?
[01:18] <ajmitch_> yes, I thought it was just because my box hadn't been upgraded for a few days :)
[01:18] <\sh> no..ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 fixes the problem
[01:18] <ajmitch_> I got my interfaces up fine, eventually
[01:20] <\sh> 2.6.15-14 kernel
[01:29] <phanatic> hi people
[01:29] <hyakuhei> hi phanatic
[01:32] <hyakuhei> Im reading through the first motu school, interesting stuff ajmitch_
[01:52] <phanatic> i have a question: there's an old upload of sysinfo on revu (dated october 17th). i have a corrected version of that package, but i'm not the original uploader, and the original uploader didn't reply to my mail... could i upload my version to revu?
[02:40] <siretart> StevenK: easy target. Though it would be better if it was fixed in debian
[02:41] <siretart> see the http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=343236
[02:45] <phanatic> siretart: can i upload a corrected package to revu, if i'm not the original uploader? (no response from him on revu, nor by email)
[02:49] <StevenK> siretart: I'm pondering how to fix it. It works with any PHP, so there should be a general way to fix this.
[02:50] <StevenK> I can add two depends on phpapi-* (provided by php{4{,-cgi},5{,-cgi}})
[02:53] <StevenK> Which makes the Depends php4 | phpapi-20050606 | phpapi-20041030 | libapache2-mod-suphp
[02:53] <StevenK> Uf.
[02:59] <phanatic> hi raphink
[02:59] <siretart> phanatic: sure
[02:59] <phanatic> siretart: thanks
[03:01] <siretart> StevenK: looks crackful, but I'm not that familar with php issues either..
[03:02] <siretart> isn't there a php mailing list somewhere?
[03:04] <StevenK> I have no idea.
[03:16] <phanatic> hi raphink, i have a new package for you ;)
[03:16] <phanatic> omg
[03:16] <phanatic> :)
[03:21] <mrfreeze> hello everybody, slomo are you here ?
[03:22] <zen-pc> Hi there !
[03:22] <mrfreeze> hello zen-pc, are you a motu ?
[03:22] <zen-pc> mrfreeze, not yet :)
[03:22] <zen-pc> I want to create an ubuntu package for some people here. My package should add entries into gnome menu. Can you explain me how ?
[03:23] <mrfreeze> you juste have to writ .desktop files
[03:23] <mrfreeze> and put it in /usr/share/applications
[03:24] <zen-pc> mmh ok. The software is currently a tar.gz (only binaries). Can I use checkinstall to build the package ?
[03:24] <mrfreeze> ... well I do not made an ubuntu package by myself
[03:25] <mrfreeze> so I don't know ... I'm only a stupid developer ;)
[03:25] <zen-pc> arf :)
[03:26] <siretart> zen-pc: to create menu entries, you just need to install a suitable .desktop file in /usr/share/applications. gnome-panel will do the rest
[03:26] <mrfreeze> can't you make a source tarball ?
[03:26] <siretart> zen-pc: we don't accept packages made by checkinstall. every package in our archives is built on autobuilders. please try to provide a usable source package.
[03:27] <zen-pc> mrfreeze, I can't, the company who did the software didn't release the sources
[03:27] <mrfreeze> arf
[03:28] <zen-pc> My goal is not to add a package in universe. I just want to create a package for myself and my friends.
[03:28] <mrfreeze> so checkinstall should work :)
[03:28] <zen-pc> mrfreeze, OK, I'll try
[03:29] <zen-pc> thanks for help guys :)
[03:29] <mrfreeze> de nada
[03:29] <mrfreeze> so, sirestart, you're a motu ?
[03:29] <zen-pc> (quit
[03:29] <siretart> Zomb: We don't have a document, which describes ubuntu procedures like "what is universe" "what are motus doing" and something like that
[03:30] <siretart> Zomb: these topics will be covered by the "Ubuntu Developers Guide", (or however it is called)
[03:30] <Zomb> sure, sure, but for the basics part I would just take the new-maint-guide as-is and add another chapter
[03:30] <Zomb> but DWYW
[03:31] <siretart> Zomb: thats the plan. and to strip off the parts which don't apply to ubuntu.
[03:31] <siretart> e.g. we don't have 'testing' or 'experimental' distributions, we don't use debbugs and that stuff
[03:33] <Zomb> yep
[03:34] <mrfreeze> please, sirestart, you look like a motu, could you help me ?
[03:35] <siretart> mrfreeze: depends. what is it?
[03:35] <siretart> ;)
[03:35] <mrfreeze> well, The packager of my app submitted the sources on revu....de
[03:36] <mrfreeze> and it's a long time since nobody checked it :(
[03:36] <mrfreeze> whereas I modified the autotool process as slomo asked me last week
[03:38] <siretart> mrfreeze: ah. okay. who is your packager?
[03:38] <mrfreeze> gloubigoulga
[03:38] <siretart> and what application is it?
[03:38] <mrfreeze> and the app libswitch & gswitch
[03:38] <mrfreeze> upid= 1503 & 1505
[03:59] <phanatic> siretart, raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1623
[04:01] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[04:02] <mrfreeze> hello gloubiboulga
[04:02] <Gloubiboulga> hi mrfreeze :)
[04:06] <Gloubiboulga> slomo_, ping
[04:06] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[04:06] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic :)
[05:27] <siretart> slomo_: around?
[05:27] <slomo_> yes, but somewhat busy now :/
[05:27] <siretart> ok
[05:27] <siretart> just wanted to ask if you already imported xine to svn
[05:28] <siretart> I can do that myself, if you don't have local changes yet
[05:29] <slomo_> no, i have everything uploaded... thanks :) can you write a mail to elmo about the extracodecs issue? he seems to ignore me...
[05:29] <siretart> I think he is really busy with soyuz right now
[05:30] <slomo_> oh ok... is it planned to be launched soon?
[05:31] <siretart> slomo_: yesterday evening, fabbione was asked to break it by broken uploads
[05:31] <siretart> slomo_: and it was expected to go online this week.
[05:32] <slomo_> oh sounds good :) i'm really curious about it
[05:45] <Tonio_> hi all !
[06:24] <zen-pc> hi.
[06:24] <zen-pc> I would like to build a simple package from some python scripts. I juste want to create a .deb which copy the file into the correct directory. Which tool should I use ?
[06:34] <raphink> zenrox: did you study the New Debian Maintainer's Guide already?
[06:49] <siretart> slomo_: whats the plan with ffmpeg: stay in universe or move to multiverse?
[06:52] <zen-pc> back. Sorry.
[06:52] <slomo_> siretart: universe... too many people are against moving it to multiverse and we would have to move some other packages shipping ffmpeg to multiverse too for consistency reasons...
[06:53] <zen-pc> So, I'm asking again. I want to create a simple package which just copy some script into the filesystem. Which tool should I use ?
[06:54] <siretart> zen-pc: you were away too early
[06:54] <siretart> zen-pc: I'd use debhelper, see espc. the manpage to dh_install(1)
[06:55] <zen-pc> siretart, Yes, I had unplugged the power cable...
[06:55] <siretart> slomo_: I'm asking because of malone #6366
[06:55] <Ubugtu> malone bug 6366 in ffmpeg "Multiverse Ffmpeg Request" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6366
[06:57] <slomo_> siretart: yes, either we have ffmpeg in multiverse or nothing as it's static only... but i don't think you can get it to multiverse *shrug*
[06:57] <siretart> slomo_: yes. exactly my point
[07:00] <slomo_> siretart: do you want to try to get it into multiverse? you have my vote for it but i guess that doesn't help too much ;)
[07:00] <siretart> hm. first we'd need to identify all reverse dependencies
[07:01] <siretart> including reverse build dependencies
[07:01] <slomo_> i had a list for them some time ago... one moment
[07:02] <slomo_> gem, gnusound, lynkeos.app, motion, opencv, smilutil, gst-ffmpeg, vlc
[07:04] <slomo_> siretart: your svn commit mails are evil... evolution fills all my ram on the big ones ;)
[07:10] <siretart> slomo_: oh :)
[07:10] <siretart> slomo_: I had to approve them anyway. I can discard them the next time
[07:21] <siretart> chninkel_away: I forwarded your drip/glib patch to debian
[09:17] <thierry> how could I get gedit working in my chroot without having to mount --bind my whole /home ?
[09:30] <Kyral> I hate homework lol
[09:30] <dredg> i hate lack of motivation
[09:51] <Gloubiboulga> hey slomo
[09:51] <Gloubiboulga> slomo, do you think you could have a look at libswicth when you got time?
[11:23] <ajmitch_> morning all
[11:25] <slomo> hi ajmitch_
[11:27] <crimsun> moins
[11:42] <ajmitch_> hm
[11:42] <ajmitch_> there's a whole bunch of zope stuff that I'd love to get UVF exceptions for
[11:42] <ajmitch_> I just have to think of some justifications
[11:46] <crimsun> major bugfixes? :-)
[11:49] <ajmitch_> sadly not ;)
[11:49] <ajmitch_> plenty of minor ones