[12:01] <tmbr_41> I think I'm good now, you dandie?
[12:02] <trispace> Arcanimus: if you want to do something just for ssh logged in users, you may evaluate the presence of SSH_* environment variables
[12:02] <Xemanth^^> lajos_: [01:00:39]  <lajos_> n gy tom etc/init.d mappba kell tenni <- did that have A with dots ?
[12:03] <Arcanimus> what do i have to remove so that it doesn't give me that crap about debian warranty blah blah?
[12:03] <trispace> Arcanimus: /etc/motd
[12:03] <Arcanimus> ty
[12:05] <LeeJunFan> Arcanimus: you also have to edit /etc/defaults/rcS and tell it not to rewrite motd.
[12:05] <Arcanimus> /etc/defaults/rcS doesn't exist
[12:05] <Arcanimus> frankly, /etc/defaults/ doesn't exist
[12:05] <Arcanimus> so I think i'm safe
[12:06] <Arcanimus> lol
[12:06] <Arcanimus> thanks for your help guys, I appreciate it
[12:06] <LeeJunFan> Arcanimus: /etc/default/rcS
[12:06] <LeeJunFan> sry
[12:07] <SuperNova> doesnt any one know?
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> ez akoepet nagyon gan
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> kopete
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> na
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[12:09] <Xemanth^^> da?
[12:09] <MetaMorfoziS> so anyone have an idea, to change the firefox's gui to the kde's gui?
[12:10] <MetaMorfoziS> my ff use, trying use my old gnome based hui...
[12:13] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you can't
[12:13] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: Firefox doesn't work that way
[12:13] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: it's theming system is integrated
[12:13] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, i'm cant. but anyone?:)
[12:13] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you don't understand, it's impossible
[12:13] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: nobody knows because you can't do it
[12:14] <MetaMorfoziS> if it's work under gnome why dont under kde?
[12:14] <slow-motion> n8
[12:14] <fatejudger> because Gnome went to all the trouble to find a way to integrate it into their DE since their native browser sucks
[12:14] <fatejudger> Galleon that is
[12:17] <tmbr_41> can anyone point the way, to setting up synaptic, to be able to install gaim?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> tmbr_41: sudo apt-get install synaptic gaim
[12:18] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> you dont need synaptic - you have adept
[12:18] <tmbr_41> and to setup multiverse, and universe?
[12:18] <tmbr_41> same command?
[12:18] <MetaMorfoziS> please tell me instant messenger programs under kde! not kopete...
[12:18] <flipjarg> what do you call the programs that you make flash animations with?
[12:19] <MetaMorfoziS> fatejudger: thx.
[12:19] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: use Kopete
[12:19] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: ok, why are you using KDE if you hate every KDE app?
[12:19] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you make absolutely no sense
[12:19] <MetaMorfoziS> not hate
[12:19] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm tried kopete
[12:20] <MetaMorfoziS> and i think its shit.
[12:20] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: what is wrong with it?
[12:20] <MetaMorfoziS> i ask other programs
[12:20] <MetaMorfoziS> the grouping
[12:20] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: what is wrong with the grouping?
[12:20] <dandielionous> What are the commands to enable multiverse and universe in synaptic?
[12:20] <MetaMorfoziS> the offline contacts shown out of the msn group
[12:20] <MetaMorfoziS> and not user friendly the all, for me.
[12:21] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[12:21] <dandielionous> Or how do you enable them in the terminal window?
[12:21] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: no they are'nt
[12:21] <fatejudger> *aren't
[12:21] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: I'm looking at it right now
[12:22] <flipjarg> !info swf
[12:22] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: offline contacts are shown in the same group they belong in
[12:22] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: did you use Gaim before?
[12:22] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[12:22] <MetaMorfoziS> so! at this moment
[12:22] <SuperNova> whats the differecne between Gnome and KDE? is it just different looks?
[12:22] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: then Gaim was the one that messed it up
[12:22] <MetaMorfoziS> where is my icq accounts?!:D
[12:22] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: Gaim creates groups and rearranges everything
[12:22] <MetaMorfoziS> no where:D
[12:22] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you should be blaiming Gaim, not Kopete
[12:23] <fatejudger> *blaming
[12:23] <MetaMorfoziS> and its wrote: MSN: 6/8
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> fatejudger: yeah, I hate the way gaim does that, it's fine if you never use another IM.
[12:23] <MetaMorfoziS> i have 75 msn partners, and 9 online.
[12:23] <MetaMorfoziS> (in gaim)
[12:23] <MetaMorfoziS> :D
[12:23] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you have to tell it to show offline contacts
[12:23] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: it's extremely annoying
[12:23] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: and this guy isn't the first person to say that Kopete sucks because of that
[12:24] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: all of these Gnomers come over to KDE and blame their problems on us
[12:24] <MetaMorfoziS> if i show offline users my window is flooded with contacts
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> I love the meta contacts in kopete.
[12:24] <MetaMorfoziS> it's shit...
[12:24] <fatejudger> LeeJunFan: when in reality it's their old Gnome programs that were broken
[12:24] <MetaMorfoziS> my offline contacs shown out of the msn group
[12:25] <fatejudger> when it comes to apps, KDE is far superior than Gnome, even the other camp admits that
[12:25] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: that's Gaim's fault
[12:25] <hDp`> hDp` is gaming.  !gameinfo for more info.
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> MetaMorfoziS: you'll have to move them to the group you want them in - that's all.
[12:25] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: because you used Gaim, you're going to have to reorganize all of your groups
[12:25] <dell500> i'm trying to install baghira, but it says Autoconf isn't installed, but i have version 2.59 (says it needs 2.53+).
[12:25] <MetaMorfoziS> yes gaim fucks up all... i see under win... udner trillian after gaim...
[12:26] <MetaMorfoziS> so it lol
[12:26] <nikita> guys, what should I install to unpack a rar achive?
[12:26] <flipjarg> Does anyone know a program i can use to make flash movies?
[12:26] <MetaMorfoziS> why open an msg window when im clicking ONE to a contact?
[12:26] <MetaMorfoziS> shit
[12:27] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: you can change that
[12:27] <fatejudger> MetaMorfoziS: it's in the behavior part of the settings
[12:29] <MetaMorfoziS> where?
[12:29] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm checked and not found
[12:29] <nikita> !rar
[12:29] <ubotu> [rar]  a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression
[12:30] <MetaMorfoziS> kopete said about 59 contacts...
[12:30] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm out of range:D
[12:33] <flipjarg> Does anyone know if there are any flash programs for linux?
[12:40] <starhawk> dose anyone know about xmame
[12:41] <starhawk> dose anyone know about xmame
[12:53] <dell500> has anyone installed baghira?? :)
[12:53] <flipjarg> !info f4l
[12:53] <flipjarg> Does anyone know anything about flash programs? i want to make flash movies.
[12:54] <flipjarg> Where can i get one that runs on Kubuntu?
[12:57] <clem_yeats> the best to make Flash movies is Macromedia Flash
[12:57] <clem_yeats> but it's quite expensive..
[12:57] <clem_yeats> and runs on windows
[12:57] <clem_yeats> if you're into linux and free software you should consider SVG
[12:59] <unix_infidel> is there anyway to apt-get install gvim, whenever i try to run vim -g or run the gvim binary it say's its not been compiled in on both ubuntu and kubuntu?
[12:59] <Xemanth^^> well flash sucks
[01:00] <Xemanth^^> flash is fucking heavy
[01:00] <Xemanth^^> you should do games with it
[01:00] <Xemanth^^> lil games :>
[01:00] <dell500> if i installed ./admin with svn, how do you remove it, just delete the folder??
[01:04] <flipjarg> no
[01:04] <flipjarg> apt-get remove nameOfPackage
[01:04] <flipjarg> but there will still be the settings files in your home folder
[01:05] <flipjarg> Thanks clem_yeats
[01:05] <flipjarg> ?! Tab doesn't finish names for me, oh boy
[01:11] <malc__> I am following this guide http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/?m=show&id=5668 to try and install kde 3.5 on my system.  Apart from it isn't appearing where/when the guide says it should..........I don't think its even installing.  Any ideas?
[01:13] <bimberi> !kde3.5
[01:13] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[01:14] <boz> Can anyone hold my hand, lol, and walk me through installing my rio nitrus mp3 player.  Rio is no help whatsoever
[01:17] <malc__> bimberi thats the same instruction as the link I posted.  But the output after following those instructions is http://pastebin.com/529667
[01:17] <malc__> And it doesn't seem to install.  Any other ideas?
[01:21] <bimberi> malc__: have you added that deb... line to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:21] <LiteHedded> how do I get my taskbar this size?
[01:22] <LiteHedded> http://kde-look.org/content/pre1/1529-1.jpg
[01:22] <malc__> yeah its the last line in the thing # Added by malc
[01:22] <malc__> # Ubuntu 5.10 KDE 3.5 Repository
[01:22] <malc__> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[01:23] <malc__> LiteHedded:  Right click on the task bar and find properties and its somewhere in there (I think)
[01:23] <bimberi> malc__: what architecture (i386, amd64, ppc)?
[01:23] <LiteHedded> i can't find it
[01:24] <LiteHedded> I can shrink the right side with a slider
[01:24] <LiteHedded> but not the left
[01:24] <malc__> i386
[01:25] <Vivien> hi everybody
[01:25] <Vivien> i need some help, please, i've installed ubuntu and then KDE, but impossible to find system>sessions in order to make started GDesklets when my sessions starts?
[01:25] <Vivien> an idea?
[01:26] <malc__> Vivien what does GDesklets do?  Its a gnome application so I am not sure if it wil work under kde
[01:27] <malc__> I would imagine that anything GDesklets can do, superKaramba can do aswell
[01:27] <Vivien> no, it works perfectly
[01:27] <Vivien> but i just want to add a prog when KDE starts
[01:27] <Vivien> and i don't find the way
[01:27] <Vivien> i've just switch to KDE, i prefer it
[01:29] <Vivien> og, and since i've installed KDE, i have my NumLk on my laptop which is activate somtime, like that
[01:29] <Vivien> by itslef
[01:29] <kameron> anyone have problems with their screensaver not starting?
[01:30] <bimberi> malc__: pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy kdebase"
[01:31] <Hobbsee> bimberi: what's the second one do?
[01:31] <rance> Vivien, take a look at the help center, KDE faq, Configuring KDE, then have a look at the autostart option
[01:31] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[01:31] <Vivien> ok
[01:31] <bimberi> Hobbsee: it shows what versions apt can see
[01:33] <dell500> why does kate not work when i do sudo to edit a file?
[01:33] <ClayG> what is the name of the package that allow and adds xdmcp(sp?) to the main login screen under sessions?
[01:33] <malc__> bimberi: http://pastebin.com/529698
[01:35] <kameron> ClayG, kdm do you mean?
[01:35] <ClayG> found it
[01:35] <kameron> ClayG, what were you looking for, i didn't get the question?
[01:35] <ClayG> Fujitsu ClayG: gdmsetup, System->Administration->Login Screen
[01:37] <bimberi> malc__: aha, uncomment lines 5,6,10,11,33,34,36,37 in your sources.list
[01:37] <bimberi> malc__: then update and dist-upgrade
[01:38] <malc__> bimberi:  thanks v much.........I take it I just needed those repos as well then?
[01:38] <dell500> why does kate suck?
[01:38] <dell500> it seems to always crash
[01:39] <bimberi> malc__: np :) yes that's right
[01:46] <ulises> hi
[01:48] <starhawk> Hi all
[01:49] <starhawk> Is there a problem with the repositorys
[01:51] <Hobbsee> starhawk: dapper ones seem ok, coudltn tell you for breezy
[01:51] <starhawk> I have tried to use adept and keep getting errors
[01:52] <starhawk> it wants to goto a newsreader but it wont let me answer the ?
[01:53] <starhawk> #Hobbsee your not using breezy
[01:53] <Hobbsee> starhawk: indeed
[01:54] <Hobbsee> starhawk: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:54] <Hobbsee> close adept first
[01:57] <starhawk> #Hobbsee Should I look for an active file from inn and use your newsgroups therefrom? Y or N
[01:57] <starhawk> should I say Y or N
[01:57] <Hobbsee> i dont understand what you're trying to do
[01:58] <starhawk>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade your sugestion
[01:59] <starhawk> this is what it came back with
[02:00] <Hobbsee> oh, ok
[02:00] <starhawk> you ever see this before
[02:00] <Hobbsee> wonder why you got that
[02:00] <starhawk> that what I get in adept too
[02:02] <starhawk> what you think Y or N
[02:03] <starhawk> or could My breezy be coruted
[02:05] <Hobbsee> it seems to be working
[02:06] <starhawk> yes except for that ? do you think I should answer Y or N
[02:07] <Hobbsee> try y
[02:08] <starhawk> #Hobbsee (Ok, we do not use the active-file from inn, so please read ) this is what it says now
[02:08] <malc_> I am still not able to upgrade to kde 3.5 guys.  I have followed the howto's on it and when I do "apt-get dist-upgrade" it gets nothing
[02:09] <flipjarg> does anyone know how to install F4L?
[02:11] <starhawk> #Hobbsee ("/usr/doc/newsflash/README" and edit the folling files)
[02:14] <bimberi> malc_: pastebin your sources.list again
[02:15] <malc_> http://pastebin.com/529741
[02:17] <bimberi> malc_: looks good - and you did a "sudo apt-get update"?
[02:17] <starhawk> #Hobbsee any ideas where that is coming from
[02:17] <malc_> yup
[02:17] <Hobbsee> got no idae sorry
[02:18] <bimberi> malc_: hm
[02:18] <starhawk> ok thank you for your time
[02:18] <malc_> bimberi: http://pastebin.com/529748 the instructions say this should work
[02:19] <malc_> although when I try apt-get install kde.....it comes up with
[02:19] <malc_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:19] <malc_>   kde: Depends: kdesdk but it is not going to be installed
[02:19] <malc_> E: Broken packages
[02:19] <malc_> Do you think this is anything to do with it?
[02:21] <damnhil>  How can you change the compiler path in eclipse?
[02:22] <bimberi> malc_: how about apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:22] <malc_> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-deskto
[02:23] <bimberi> malc_: really? (missing p from your paste)
[02:24] <malc_> yeah and yeah
[02:24] <malc_> Its bizarre, I installed ubuntu on another machine just a few days ago and this all worked fine
[02:25] <malc_> the only difference now is that I installed from CD (that ubuntu people posted to me) as opposed to downloaded iso which is what I used last time.  They are both breezy badger though
[02:26] <malc_> The only difference between the basic installation and this stage is that I have also installed "build-essential" so I could get gcc
[02:27] <bimberi> malc_: that should be fine - what does "apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop" output?
[02:27] <malc_> kubuntu-desktop:
[02:27] <malc_>   Installed: (none)
[02:27] <malc_>   Candidate: 0.55
[02:27] <malc_>   Version table:
[02:27] <malc_>      0.55 0
[02:27] <malc_>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[02:29] <bimberi> malc_: huh? humour me and try 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' again
[02:29] <LeeJunFan> sudo?
[02:29] <malc_> running as root already
[02:29] <bimberi> he's in a root shell :)
[02:30] <bimberi> *(s)he
[02:30] <malc_> bimberi:  gimme a sec, I am installing a kdelibs thing
[02:30] <malc_> I have a feeling I am on to something
[02:30] <bimberi> malc_: k :)
[02:43] <nige> hi all, i just installed kubuntu and have done a aptitude search streamtuner and its not be seem. dose kubuntu have streamtuner package ?
[02:44] <crimsun> !info streamtuner
[02:45] <ubotu> streamtuner: (A GUI audio stream directory browser), section universe/net, is extra. Version: 0.99.99-5ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 581 kB, Installed size: 2064 kB
[02:53] <nige> crimsun: i just uncommented the universe apt source url and update and now its there, thanks
[03:01] <crimsun> np
[03:13] <tecs> why dont i have shutdown option only end seession?
[03:13] <visik7> I've shutdown reboot and end session
[03:14] <tecs> i onyl have end session
[03:14] <dark_suic> tecs, clicking on end session you have the login screen from where you can shutdown
[03:15] <dark_suic> it's configurable in kcontrol
[03:15] <dark_suic> don't know exactly where, but there you can configure it
[03:15] <dark_suic> i remember there is an option where you can tell it to just let you end session from inside kde
[03:20] <jonc> hello folks
[03:20] <icicled> i just installed kubuntu & used adpet to install nvidia drivers (nvidia-glx package)
[03:21] <icicled> and i ran `sudo nvidia-glx-config enable`
[03:21] <icicled> however, the above does not do anything
[03:21] <icicled> and when i do `modprobe --list | grep nv` I don't see nvidia.ko
[03:22] <icicled> i see nvidiafb.ko =\
[03:22] <icicled> isn't the module supposed to be created when the nvidia-glx package is installed?
[03:22] <icicled> i'm running on the 2.6.12-10-amd64-k8 kernel
[03:23] <icicled> i was wondering how i could fix this w/o having to manually install the nvidia drivers
[03:23] <dark_suic> icicled, i had to install the nvidia-settings package too
[03:23] <icicled> i've installed that as well
[03:23] <dark_suic> i had nvidia working with nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings packages
[03:24] <dark_suic> well did you restart the x server after installing them, i suppose
[03:24] <icicled> yea i restarted
[03:24] <icicled> the funny thing was that in my xorg.conf the driver was still "nv" instead of "nvidia"
[03:24] <LiteHedded> how do I change the kde menu button icon?
[03:25] <dark_suic> O__o
[03:25] <dark_suic> then the nvidia-glx-config enable thing didn't work...
[03:25] <dark_suic> maybe the problem is that your nvidia-glx-config didn't work AT ALL
[03:25] <visik7> how can I use openoffice.org2-kde package ?
[03:25] <visik7> how can I configure it?
[03:25] <dark_suic> so you should have to edit further the xorg.conf file
[03:25] <dark_suic> and comment a pair of lines...
[03:25] <icicled> brb, my colors on my windows are jacking up
[03:26] <dark_suic> (Load "dri" and another one i can't remember)
[03:26] <dark_suic> visik7, just find a repositorie with openoffice2
[03:26] <dark_suic> they aren't too hard
[03:26] <visik7> dark_suic: I've oo installed
[03:26] <jeff_> yo sup all - new to linux!!!
[03:26] <visik7> I've openoffice.org2-kde installed
[03:26] <dark_suic> ?
[03:27] <visik7> but I dunno why openoffice doesn't look like kde apps
[03:27] <dark_suic> you want to configure it?
[03:27] <dark_suic> well, it's still made like itself, not kde-like :P
[03:27] <dark_suic> i don't know what the openoffice2-kde package does, hang on a sec
[03:27] <visik7> and Description: KDE Integration for OpenOffice.org (Widgets, Dialogs, Addressbook)
[03:28] <dark_suic> yeah, it means that THAT things will be kde-like, but no the entire suite :P
[03:28] <visik7> I just want the font a bit smaller
[03:29] <jason_> !info quanta
[03:29] <ubotu> quanta: (web development environment for KDE), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 2178 kB, Installed size: 5308 kB
[03:33] <Tm_T> KOffice <3
[03:36] <nikita> !rpm
[03:36] <ubotu> rumour has it, rpm is the Redhat Package Management file. Very similar to Debians DEB files, but require alien to install. ask me about !alien
[03:36] <nikita> !alien
[03:36] <ubotu> rumour has it, alien is a program to convert RPMs to DEBs. Can give problems. Website: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/
[03:37] <ClayG> What can I use to connect to my ubuntu box using xdmcp
[03:39] <GameOver69> hey my mplayer will not play any type of video in firefox what so ever... it shows that it connects, then just stops and does nothing
[03:50] <jonc> i fixed the issue with nvidia-glx
[03:51] <GameOver69> hey my mplayer will not play any type of video in firefox what so ever... it shows that it connects, then just stops and does nothing
[03:51] <jonc> it turns out that the package was made to be used with the generic kernel & not the k8 kernel
[03:51] <jonc> go figure =\
[03:55] <dark_suic> another thing to nto use for the moment k8 kernels...
[03:55] <dark_suic> i do have an amd64 but i'm starting to think that it's still to early to install a kubuntu-64 version
[03:55] <dark_suic> most of my main apps don't work in 64 bits yet
[03:56] <jonc> dark_suic: is there an mplayer package available?
[03:56] <jonc> i'm running the 64-bit version of kubuntu too
[03:57] <dark_suic> i don't
[03:57] <dark_suic> i'm running a 386 version with a 386 kernel :P
[03:58] <dark_suic> well, cedega and wine still don't have 64 bits version, and i need them for university (****ing windows apps)
[04:10] <E-Train> I just droped in a usb 2.0 pci card; i cant find the devices that are plugged into it, but they are getting power. Anyone got some advice
[04:11] <E-Train> dark_suic you their; you told me what to do a few days ago but i didnt have a chance to do it
[04:11] <JohnFlux> E-Train: lsusb
[04:12] <E-Train> john its on that list
[04:12] <dark_suic> :P
[04:13] <E-Train> what do i do now
[04:13] <dark_suic> if they are on the list, try writing media:/ in konqueror to see if they're there
[04:14] <dark_suic> what kde version do you have
[04:14] <dark_suic> ?
[04:15] <E-Train> not the one that is in beta testing now
[04:15] <E-Train> breezy i think
[04:15] <E-Train> ??
[04:17] <E-Train> i think it is not reconizing my new 2.0 card
[04:17] <E-Train> or is it since device shows up on lsusb
[04:29] <E-Train> dark - sorry i thought you were asking what version of kubuntu i have what ever kde comes with i guess thats 3.4.3??
[04:31] <starhawk> Hio
[04:32] <starhawk> how do I get the codec 32 for totem
[04:38] <dark_suic> E-Train, sorry for the delay
[04:38] <dark_suic> try to install kde3.5 and it will be a lot easier
[04:40] <E-Train> why is 3.5 easier?
[04:40] <E-Train> do i do that in adpt?
[04:42] <ice_1963> hi
[04:42] <dark_suic> E-Train, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[04:42] <dark_suic> yes, in adept following the instructions on that url you can do it
[04:43] <ice_1963> i'm running kde 3.5.1 :0)
[04:44] <E-Train> dark - i have to go for a bit I will be back later
[04:45] <dark_suic> i will be off probably
[04:45] <dark_suic> just add the repositorie listed in that page
[04:45] <dark_suic> and then
[04:45] <Brydenn> who's up?
[04:45] <dark_suic> fetch updates -> full upgrade
[04:45] <dark_suic> and it will be done
[04:45] <dark_suic> just restart
[04:45] <dark_suic> and all ok
[04:45] <dark_suic> well, you'll have to remove ivman package too
[04:46] <Brydenn> hey, does anyone know if there is a program for linux that is similar to Exact Audio Copy?
[04:46] <Brydenn> been looking on forums, etc and havent seen anything :(
[04:48] <Knowerrors> dark_suic: you can keep ivman, just comment out all its actions except auto mount
[04:48] <Knowerrors> I like it better than what kde 3.5 does for removable media by default
[04:49] <Knowerrors> kde 3.5 won't automount media
[04:49] <Knowerrors> you have to click on the icon for the media to mount, or browse it in konq
[04:50] <Knowerrors> Im running kde 3.5 with ivman, no problems
[04:52] <dark_suic> :P
[04:52] <dark_suic> another thing i learned today :P
[04:52] <dark_suic> and where is the editable ivman?
[04:52] <Knowerrors> theres a post on ivman in the kubuntu forums about ivman and removable media
[04:52] <Knowerrors> that tells you
[04:57] <Knowerrors> I just put all the default removable media actions in kde to do nothing for unmounted stuff
[04:57] <Knowerrors> and let ivman mount em for me
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need an application to set manually the speed of the CPU since powernowd and klaptopdaemon don't work on the new kde
[05:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you know any in the rep?
[05:32] <Art_> What's the best shot for streaming stuff, RealPlayer, MPlayer, xine, etc?
[05:34] <dark_suic> to get streaming, kaffeine
[05:34] <dark_suic> to release streaming... i think it is kaffeine too :P
[05:34] <dark_suic> kaffeine roolz :P
[05:35] <Art_> dark_suic, I'll give it a try, thanks
[05:40] <boz> Hi Callie!
[05:40] <callie> hey boz
[05:41] <boz> finally got all my problems worked out.  I had to do a reinstall though. Thanks for all the help
[05:41] <callie> yeah, sometimes its the easiest way
[05:41] <boz> it was ; )
[05:42] <boz> anyone here that can walk me through mounting my mp3 player?
[05:43] <boz> when i plug it in it shows up in the device manager but i can get it to access it
[05:43] <boz> *can't
[05:44] <callie> its mounted?
[05:44] <callie> does it appear on your desktop boz?
[05:44] <boz> it shows up but i don't know how to access it
[05:44] <boz> noi
[05:45] <callie> go to /media
[05:45] <callie> what kind of mp3 player is it?
[05:45] <boz> Rio
[05:46] <callie> should be ok then
[05:46] <callie> can you see something called sda/ or sda1?
[05:46] <boz> nope
[05:47] <boz> i was thinking maybe it was an issue with automount or hal
[05:48] <callie> if you do 'df' does it show up anywhere?
[05:50] <callie> ahuman01, boz. is it a rio karma?
[05:51] <boz> no a nitrus
[05:51] <boz> i saw they had written pretty good support for the karma
[05:52] <callie> it seems rio nitrus is not so well supported
[05:52] <callie> http://www.jraleigh.com/index.php/2004/12/20/rio-nitrus/
[05:53] <LiteHedded> i need help with streaming media in firefox
[05:53] <Art_> LiteHedded, Me too.
[05:53] <LiteHedded> heh
[05:54] <boz> haha throw in the towel.  i had to do a reinstall to get icecast running
[05:54] <bobc> how can I disable the graphics on boot? the Kubuntu logo and all?
[05:54] <dark_suic> callie, boz, it's supposed to be a bug than wouldn't mount usb things correctly
[05:54] <dark_suic> you have to add user hal to group disk
[05:55] <dark_suic> (dont' know if it's the exact problem, but may help anyway)
[05:55] <boz> callie, when i do a df i get my hard drive and then below that says 86/volatile
[05:56] <boz> and a couple of tmpfs
[05:56] <callie> hmmm, that could be it. i dont think im much help since all mp3 players i've had just mounted themselves as usb drives
[05:56] <boz> thanks dark
[05:57] <boz> i read somwhere that rio used a prop fs on the early mp3 players
[05:58] <dark_suic> boz
[05:58] <dark_suic> try sudo addgroup hal disk
[05:58] <dark_suic> and then try again
[06:00] <ClayG> what is a good vnc solution to allow my xp system to access the desktop of my linux system?
[06:01] <callie> vnc?
[06:01] <boz> dark_suic notta
[06:04] <boz> callie that link didn't sound too promising. lol maybe dapper will support it
[06:06] <callie> maybe not
[06:06] <dark_suic> boz, do you have hal backend activated?
[06:07] <boz> dark_suic where would i check, in adept?
[06:08] <dark_suic> no
[06:08] <dark_suic> kcontrol
[06:08] <dark_suic> peripherals
[06:08] <dark_suic> and there...
[06:08] <dark_suic> storage
[06:08] <dark_suic> advanced options
[06:09] <_jonathan> how do you disable the translucent selection rectangle on the desktop?
[06:10] <_jonathan> its really really slow
[06:10] <dark_suic> what rectangle?
[06:10] <dark_suic> oh, i see
[06:11] <dark_suic> when trying to select something
[06:11] <dark_suic> ...
[06:11] <dark_suic> just don't know
[06:11] <dark_suic> been searching but can't find anything
[06:12] <_jonathan> i can't find anything related to it even in the control center
[06:16] <_jonathan> solution?: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85535
[06:20] <boz> ok i need to reboot if i don't make it back in thanks for the help callie and dark
[06:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i need an application to set manually the speed of the CPU since powernowd and klaptopdaemon don't work on the new kde
[06:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you know any in the rep?
[06:29] <unix_infidel> is it possible to manage multiple accounts on multiple inboxes in kontact?
[06:30] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[06:32] <jpowers> yes
[06:32] <jpowers> you can set your inbox to whatever folder you want, I think.
[06:32] <unix_infidel> how would i do that?
[06:33] <jpowers> It's in the account settings, IIRC
[06:33] <jpowers> I don't remember that well
[06:33] <jpowers> son of a gun
[06:33] <jpowers> I just looked up the answer
[06:57] <phoenixX> can anyone tell me where the site to generate a sources.list is?
[06:58] <Tm_T> ubotu: tell phoenixX about easysource
[07:00] <phoenixX> Tm_T, is the site currently working?
[07:01] <phoenixX> I can't view it
[07:02] <Tm_T> no idea
[07:09] <Tainted> Sup guys.
[07:09] <Tainted> I got my brother to install Kubuntu!
[07:09] <Tainted> So, now I'm on his comp doing shit.
[07:10] <Tainted> dark_suic, Are you on?
[07:12] <LiteHedded> how do i get the windows button to open the k menu?
[07:14] <LiteHedded> alo?
[07:16] <jpowers> should be in hotkeys settings
[07:16] <LiteHedded> it wants me to set it as windows key+ another key
[07:19] <jpowers> ooh
[07:19] <jpowers> good point
[07:19] <jpowers> I don't know then
[07:41] <howcomes> Is it possible to update without updating the restricted-modules and linux-image to 2.6.12 ?
[07:46] <unix_infidel> what's a good pager app / applet?
[07:51] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[08:17] <johnkershaw> can anyone help me with a kubuntu log out problem?
[08:17] <johnkershaw> (beware - linux newbie)
[08:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if i want to put my programs on a website do i have to do something particular to prevent future problems?
[08:35] <mihal> pokus
[08:42] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[08:43] <Tallia1Kubuntu> pokus?
[08:43] <Steven_M> any thunderbird users in here?
[08:44] <howcomes> nope
[08:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nope
[08:45] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what is in the last position of the permission a T instead of a D or a -?
[08:47] <nadir> hi
[08:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anyone can answer me?
[08:49] <seer> hi tallia
[08:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi
[08:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i got it
[08:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kind of complicated anyway :)
[08:57] <seer> what is comllicated?
[08:57] <seer> complicated
[08:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[08:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i wrote complicated ^___^
[08:59] <seer> :)
[08:59] <seer> well.. have a nice day.. i gotto go now..
[08:59] <seer> see you guys later..
[09:22] <johnkershaw> I installed edubuntu then kubuntu over top - now 'Log Out' no longer works. Any help?
[09:48] <howcomes> johnkershaw
[09:48] <howcomes> which one do you want installed? edubuntu or kubuntu ?
[09:59] <mth`MAW> Hello
[10:09] <\merry> hi all
[10:24] <sweet_kate> hi
[10:25] <sweet_kate> is it the same to use amule under iceWM ? or does it requer something that iceWM doesn't have instead of other window managers?
[10:36] <tecs> hi how come my logout button only has end current session as an option, im using kde. but when i use gnome other options like restart computer hoibernate and turnoff computer are present
[10:50] <mth`MAW> tecs: that depens on your Displamanager
[10:50] <mth`MAW> I bet you are using GDM, the gnomes standard Displaymanager (Loginscreen)
[10:51] <johnkershaw> oh oh oh - I have this problem too!
[10:51] <mth`MAW> So gnome knows the api for that think. so gnome offers you to rebbot, shutdown, what ever
[10:51] <johnkershaw> or similar
[10:51] <johnkershaw> I installed edubuntu, then KDE over top
[10:51] <johnkershaw> now I can't log out
[10:51] <johnkershaw> I have to 'sudo shutdown now'
[10:52] <mth`MAW> If you would use KDM (the kdes displaymanager it will work... with kde, but not with Gnome on another desktop enviroment
[10:52] <johnkershaw> (I am a linux newbie - only started 2 weeks ago)
[10:52] <johnkershaw> how do I know/
[10:52] <mth`MAW> johnkershaw: That is not that good, because all your dektop-properties are not saved then...
[10:52] <johnkershaw> the login screen has blue bg with continents on it, and kubuntu in bottom right corner
[10:53] <mth`MAW> How do I know what theme you have ;)
[10:53] <johnkershaw> I have 2 young kids - I want them to be able to use Gnome whilst I use KDE - is that possible?
[10:53] <mth`MAW> It is no problem to run more
[10:53] <johnkershaw> my theme is presumably the default? no?
[10:53] <johnkershaw> so what did I break & how do I fix it?
[10:53] <mth`MAW> I do not know... I do not know edubuntu
[10:53] <johnkershaw> I've come from a mac env
[10:53] <mth`MAW> You break nothing!
[10:54] <johnkershaw> know a little command line - enough to do damage ;)
[10:54] <tecs> mthmaw yes youre right...its starts as gnome then i i select kde...how do i make it that my pc starts as kde all the way. even in the log in screen
[10:54] <johnkershaw> yes, me too?
[10:55] <_raven> Hallo
[10:55] <tecs> well i originally isntalled ubuntu then installed kubuntu-desktop, i find it weird because i did this just last week and it worked but because of a unfixable problem by me, i went for a fresh install yesterday but now it wont work
[10:56] <mth`MAW> It ist just, that the loginscreen "belongs" kind of GNOME or KDE
[10:56] <mth`MAW> mhm... tpo change the DM?!
[10:56] <mth`MAW> Moment...
[10:56] <johnkershaw> how do we know which DM is loading?
[10:57] <johnkershaw> (mine looks too techie to be gnome!)
[10:57] <johnkershaw> AFAIK edubuntu is ubuntu + kids theme
[10:57] <howcomes> How can i get apps like XMMS and Konversation in the System Tray ?
[10:58] <tecs> mines gnome for sure.... although i selected kde as default in the log in screen gnome still boots up...errr
[10:58] <johnkershaw> (has a cartoon of a girl as bg which looks exactly like my 8 year old, so I duped it and changed the hair for my 5 year old!)
[10:58] <tecs> lol thats cool
[10:58] <johnkershaw> and how to make apps boot at launch? (sjphone, kopete, skype, etc)
[10:58] <howcomes> johnkershaw, linux doesnt have to reboot :P just leave it on 24/7
[10:59] <johnkershaw> my 5-year old happily reboots from win/linux into the other OS depending what he wants to do. He's better than my wife!
[10:59] <howcomes> i  see
[10:59] <johnkershaw> unless he feeds his Insaniquarium fish every day, they get unhappy (Windows only)
[10:59] <_raven> Can someone help me please?
[10:59] <johnkershaw> ergo reboot
[11:00] <johnkershaw> so how do I know which login manager I'm using?
[11:00] <johnkershaw> presumably I want KDE at login, then either KDE or Gnome depending on whether it's my login or my kids'?
[11:00] <mth`MAW> Okay here we go
[11:01] <mth`MAW> in /etc/X11 is a file called: default-display-manager
[11:01] <mth`MAW> editit this file with typping your favorite DM....
[11:01] <mth`MAW> For KDEs Dm tpye:
[11:01] <mth`MAW>  /usr/bin/kdm
[11:01] <mth`MAW> That schould work ;)
[11:03] <mth`MAW> _raven: Just ask
[11:03] <mth`MAW> May be someone is helpoing
[11:03] <mth`MAW> helping
[11:03] <_raven> thnx
[11:03] <mth`MAW> (it is Fucking cold here,... my fingers do not do what I wnat them to do :))
[11:04] <johnkershaw> yes - it's set to kde already
[11:04] <_raven> I merged my ubuntu to a kubuntu dist. But somehow i made a mistake.
[11:04] <tecs> mth kaw this is weird now....i opened the file and its already in kdm.
[11:04] <johnkershaw> my login sure looks kde-ish
[11:04] <mth`MAW> mhm...
[11:05] <mth`MAW> THAT ist weird tecs
[11:05] <tecs> well mine is pure gnome! the stock login for ubuntu
[11:05] <mth`MAW> type:
[11:05] <johnkershaw> if if kde is controlling logins, why can't it handle logouts?
[11:05] <mth`MAW> which kdm
[11:05] <mth`MAW> please
[11:05] <mth`MAW> May be kdm is not installed
[11:05] <tecs> /usr/bin/kdm this is whats inside that defualt file
[11:06] <johnkershaw> jkershaw@edubuntu:~$ which kdm
[11:06] <johnkershaw> /usr/bin/kdm
[11:06] <tecs> well i got kubuntu-desktop and its other dependencies from the repository and chose it to be my default.  so i guess everything needed to run kde is here and im using kde right now
[11:06] <howcomes> dpgk -l | grep kde
[11:06] <howcomes> dpgk -l | grep kdm
[11:06] <howcomes> *dpkg :P
[11:07] <_raven> Does anyone listen to me?
[11:07] <howcomes> raven
[11:07] <howcomes> you turned ubuntu into a kubuntu (added kde)
[11:08] <mth`MAW> _raven I havent read any question from you
[11:08] <howcomes> but alas somewhere along the line you made an error (Error: out past comprehension of user)
[11:08] <mth`MAW> tecs: wht does dpkg -l | grep kdm says?
[11:08] <howcomes> *output
[11:09] <tecs> is it ok to paste a two line resault here or should i use pastebin instead?
[11:09] <_raven> But "howcomes" did. Yes. And I removed ntpd at bootup by deleting it out of rcS.d/
[11:09] <mth`MAW> paste it
[11:10] <_raven> But this made my system forget what my default gateway is.
[11:10] <_raven> There is no error message.
[11:10] <howcomes> Thats past my comprehension, i just downloaded Kubuntu ISO's and installed like that
[11:10] <howcomes> much easier imo
[11:11] <howcomes> This is week 1 using linux for me :P
[11:11] <_raven> Does anybody else have knowledge in bootup-settings?
[11:12] <howcomes> I have knowledge in boot loaders....but not bootup
[11:12] <howcomes> Try asking in Ubuntu
[11:12] <howcomes> more users there
[11:12] <johnkershaw> this is problem: make linux easy install for any fool... and fools will install!
[11:12] <johnkershaw> (me included)
[11:13] <tecs> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/39106
[11:13] <howcomes> But see, thats the idea
[11:13] <howcomes> attract the fools to linux, and then - in due time - they learn
[11:14] <mth`MAW> tecs so that IS weird kdm is runnign
[11:14] <tecs> yes indeed
[11:14] <mth`MAW> and you are not able to logout via kde directly?
[11:14] <howcomes> Can you Konsole -> logout ?
[11:14] <johnkershaw> well, I'm only about 1 inch up the learning curve (learning cliff?)
[11:14] <johnkershaw> I issue 'sudo shutdown now' from konsole
[11:14] <howcomes> I had a head start, ive used linux before
[11:14] <johnkershaw> or press the 'reset' button on the box
[11:15] <johnkershaw> I've only used mac
[11:15] <tecs> all i can do is end current session. then i go back to the original ubuntu login screen, but using kde i dont have shutdown and restart and hibernate which i had two days ago before i did my reinstall
[11:15] <johnkershaw> little exposure to command line there
[11:15] <howcomes> heh
[11:15] <johnkershaw> I get the 'Restart/Shutdown' options in dialog, but they do nothing
[11:16] <howcomes> try having a console open while you click on them
[11:16] <howcomes> see if any error messages are echoed
[11:17] <johnkershaw> is 'having a console open' the same thing as having Konsole running?
[11:17] <tecs> i mean its too much of a hassle if i reset it with my own hand and do the terminal thing. ut there is no choice....i eman i msut have those basic options back.
[11:18] <laga> i think i may have a solution for your suspend/hibernate problem
[11:19] <laga> go to the 'laptops & power screen' in the KDE config and look for the 'acpi config' there. it's possible that it'll help, but i havent tried it yet
[11:20] <laga> and actually, it's probably not the 'ubuntu' way to do this. ubuntu has special helper scripts (imho) for acpi S1/S3 and KDE might not be using them.
[11:20] <tecs> mth MAW what do you think is happening this is weird.
[11:21] <mth`MAW> now my knowledge ends here ;=
[11:22] <mth`MAW> I have no idea, what do you have installed?
[11:22] <mth`MAW> Kubuntu deubunut
[11:22] <mth`MAW> ubuntu?
[11:22] <tecs> ubuntu, then i used synaptic as i did last week and worked fine. kubuntu-desktop.
[11:24] <mth`MAW> k
[11:24] <mth`MAW> mhm
[11:28] <FHX> Does anyone know how I can get internet access in wine?
[11:33] <Tainted-Time> Anyone alive?
[11:33] <Tainted-Time> I need some help.
[11:36] <tecs> mth maw can you help me with this
[11:36] <tecs> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/39110
[11:36] <tecs> i dont quite get what the guy from ubuntu channel said,
[11:42] <orion_fr_24> does anybody know about natd command line ?
[11:58] <_andrea> what is the kde control centre called in kubuntu? because i need the "Look and Feel tab"
[11:58] <tecs> kubuntu-desktop? not sure
[11:59] <_andrea> http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php#step2
[11:59] <_andrea> i'm following these instructions
[11:59] <_andrea> but i cant find where to add a menu bar
[12:00] <_andrea> !control centre
[12:00] <ubotu> _andrea: parse error: dunno what you're talking about
[12:00] <_andrea> !menu bar
[12:00] <ubotu> _andrea: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:08] <Riddell> _andrea: kcontrol or systemsettings
[12:09] <_andrea> thanks
[12:14] <_andrea> I still can't find the menubar section....
[12:16] <wisner> Morning.
[12:21] <Tainted-Time> How can I make a backup of my system and then restore it?
[12:22] <Tainted-Time> Because, right now I only have Ubuntu installed.  But, I need to install Windows, and then Ubuntu, but I need all my settings and configs.
[12:24] <tecs> whats the command for restarting my comp since restart and shutdown options are not available to me right now
[12:24] <tecs> all i have is end current session
[12:26] <_andrea> reboot
[12:26] <_andrea> i think...
[12:27] <Tainted-Time> Anyone?
[12:27] <Tainted-Time> How do I do a complete Backup and Restore?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Tainted-Time: howto on ubuntuforums.org
[12:28] <tecs> thanks
[12:28] <Tainted-Time> Hobbsee: I read it.
[12:29] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[12:29] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[12:29] <Tainted-Time> I was reading it.
[12:29] <Tainted-Time> But, it doesnt answer my question.
[12:29] <Tainted-Time> I have the backup.
[12:29] <Tainted-Time> Can I delete all my partitions and then install Windows, then Ubuntu, and then just restore it with this?
[12:30] <Tainted-Time> I currently don't have windows installed but, my computer came with a "recovery partition".
[12:31] <Tainted-Time> Hello?
[12:31] <Tainted-Time> hobbsee can you help me?
[12:31] <wisner> Tainted-Time: if you simply make a backup of the full contents of your home direcotry, that should be sufficient to get back everything that matters after a complete wipe-and-reinstall.
[12:31] <wisner> Your personal settings, configs, etc.
[12:31] <wisner> But it wouldn't includ
[12:32] <wisner> erf
[12:32] <wisner> it wouldn't include, for example, system X Window server customisations
[12:32] <Tainted-Time> I need that for my Nvidia card, it took me about 2 wks to get it working.
[12:32] <Tainted-Time> WIth hotplug trying to detect it and stuff.
[12:32] <wisner> Only two weeks? You did well--
[12:32] <Tainted-Time> Gah. Bad memories :D
[12:32] <wisner> (<-- loathes X Windows)
[12:33] <Tainted-Time> Can I delete all my partitions and then install Windows, then Ubuntu, and then just restore it with my backup.tgz?
[12:34] <wisner> Did you use this page that describes using the tar command?
[12:34] <wisner> Yse, you did.
[12:34] <Tainted-Time> Yeah
[12:34] <wisner> Yes, you'd be able to restore it with the backup.tgz.
[12:34] <Tainted-Time> What should I do right now? burn backup.tgz to a DVD?
[12:34] <wisner> However, it would be advisable to do that restore in 'single-user mode' - know anything about that?
[12:35] <Tainted-Time> Nope..
[12:35] <wisner> Get backup.tgz to a safe place of some sort, yes - a DVD isn't a bad idea.
[12:35] <wisner> A DVD, an external hard drive, a second computer..
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Tainted-Time: no, sorry, but you can get the list of the packages you installed...
[12:36] <Tainted-Time> wisner: What do I do after it is burned?
[12:37] <wisner> I'm running Dapper and I'm not really sure.. does Breezy also install the 'maintenance mode' option into the GRUB menu?
[12:38] <wisner> Tainted - when you boot your system up and it gives you the initial boot menu, do you see a maintenance mode option?
[12:38] <Tainted-Time> I see a recovery mode.
[12:38] <Tainted-Time> What is Dapper?
[12:38] <wisner> Yeah, that would be the one.
[12:38] <wisner> The next version of Ubuntu.
[12:38] <wisner> I'm running a pre-release version.
[12:38] <Tainted-Time> Not available to people like me?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Tainted-Time: sure it's available
[12:39] <wisner> You can get it if you want to - but with the caveat that since it's not done, it's liable to have unresolved bugs and such.
[12:39] <Tainted-Time> Well, have you experienced any  problems?
[12:39] <wisner> All of the heavy testing goes into the official release versions, so the development versions are potentially less stable.
[12:39] <wisner> I've had Kontact crash on me a couple of times.. nothing serious
[12:39] <wisner> YMMV
[12:40] <Hobbsee> apart from that, no problems
[12:40] <wisner> Anway - that 'recovery mode' is also known (to us over-the-hill old-school unixheads) as 'single-user mode'
[12:40] <Tainted-Time> What does it upgrade or make better?
[12:40] <Tainted-Time> Lol. ok.
[12:40] <wisner> And ideally, you should do your full system backup and restore in recovery mode - it's slightly safer that way.
[12:41] <Tainted-Time> wisner: What are the advantages of having Dapper over Breezy?
[12:41] <htaithas> #braila
[12:41] <wisner> Mainly, you get newer versions of everything.
[12:42] <_andrea> can i install simpleKDE
[12:42] <_andrea> ?
[12:43] <wisner> Anyway, Tainted.. I'd recommend you re-run your backup in recovery mode, just to be extra safe.
[12:43] <wisner> After the backup you can reboot normally and handle the backup.tgz file as you wish.
[12:43] <wisner> Once you've got backup.tgz in a safe place, you can restore/reinstall your entire system as you like.
[12:45] <Tainted-Time> What about GRUB? Because the position of the Ubuntu partition will change.
[12:45] <wisner> Your goal is to get Windows and Kubuntu dual booting?
[12:45] <Tainted-Time> Yeah.
[12:45] <Tainted-Time> And I currently don't have  'Windows' one.
[12:45] <Tainted-Time> But there is a 'Windows Recover Partition'
[12:45] <Tainted-Time> They didn't give me CDs.
[12:45] <wisner> Yeah, typical.
[12:46] <wisner> Usually you hold down a certain F-key while booting to activate the recovery partition?
[12:46] <Tainted-Time> F10. :D
[12:46] <Tainted-Time> I did it and it said it couldn't create a User Partition.
[12:46] <wisner> It wants to install to the whole hard drive?
[12:46] <Tainted-Time> I have no option to pick.
[12:46] <Tainted-Time> I thought it would.
[12:47] <Tainted-Time> Other systems are able to.
[12:47] <wisner> I'm not surprised.
[12:47] <wisner> You'll need to just let it install Windows to the whole disk, then resize your Windows partition afterwards.
[12:47] <Tainted-Time> I'm doing it for Photoshop and Flash MX mainly.
[12:47] <Tainted-Time> Okay, but won't Ubuntu's location on the harddrive change?
[12:48] <Tainted-Time> Which then messes up GRUB?
[12:48] <paines> hi
[12:48] <Tainted-Time> Hi
[12:48] <wisner> The Ubuntu installer will deal with that when it configures GRUB.
[12:48] <paines> anyone know a miniapplet which will show the temprature / weather ?
[12:48] <Tainted-Time> I know, but if I restore won't it overwrite it?
[12:48] <wisner> Ah. Good point.
[12:48] <wisner> Make a copy of the new grub menu before you run the restore.
[12:48] <Tainted-Time> paines: SuperKaramba.
[12:49] <Tainted-Time> Can I just exclude it from my Backup?
[12:49] <wisner> Yes, that'd work too.
[12:49] <wisner> You could also exclude it from your restore.
[12:49] <Tainted-Time> Heh, can you give me a tar command?
[12:50] <Tainted-Time> When I ran the one before it ended up copying the backup.tgz and everything it was supposed to exclude.
[12:50] <wisner> That's odd.
[12:50] <Tainted-Time> Yeah.
[12:52] <wisner> oh, ffs
[12:52] <wisner> silly error on that page
[12:52] <Tainted-Time> Huh?
[12:53] <cyne> when i add a network folder (smb) in konquerer, where does it appear in the directory hierarchy?
[12:53] <wisner> tar requires that all command flags be specified before the filenames start.
[12:54] <wisner> That example has --exclude at the end - so they're getting treated as filenames, not optiosn
[12:54] <cyne> e.g. i've added a smb share with all my music and am trying to "Build Collection" in amaroK
[12:54] <Tainted-Time> Oooh...
[12:54] <wisner> tar --exclude=..... -cvpzf /backup.tgz /
[12:54] <wisner> try that
[12:54] <wisner> specify as many /excludes as you like - add /boot/grub for example.
[12:55] <Tainted-Time> What should I typically exclude for an Identical setup?
[12:55] <wisner> Their suggestions seem fine.
[12:56] <wisner> You don't necessarily need to do a full restore, incidentally. You'll have a tarball containing the entire contents of the old system that you can restore from selectively.
[12:56] <wisner> That's what I'd personally probably do, but I'm picky.
[12:57] <Tainted-Time> How would I pick or restore them?
[12:58] <wisner> Example: tar -xvpzf backup.tgz -C / home/wisner
[12:58] <wisner> That would restore my home directory only.
[12:58] <wisner> Example: tar -xvpzf backup.tgz -C / etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:58] <wisner> etc
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> tar: --exclude=/proc: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> /
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> /etc/
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> /etc/fstab
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[12:59] <Tainted-Time> Lol, sorry for hassling you - or asking too much.
[12:59] <Tainted-Time> What do I do?
[12:59] <wisner> What command did you use?
[12:59] <Tainted-Time> sudo tar -cvpzf --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys --exclude=/boot/grub/ /
[12:59] <Tainted-Time> Should I take off sudo?
[01:00] <wisner> No. Take out the /proc exclude, apparently you don't have procfs
[01:00] <Tainted-Time> Is that bad?
[01:00] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[01:00] <wisner> Nah.
[01:00] <wisner> oops, wait
[01:00] <wisner> move the -cvpzf to after the last exclude and forget what I said about proc
[01:01] <wisner> tar --exclude=..... -cvpzf backup.tgz /
[01:01] <wisner> That 'f' at the end of -cvpzf must be followed by the backup filename - the command you used was incorrectly formatted.
[01:02] <wisner> It'll be a lot easier to deal with if you just save that part for the end.
[01:02] <Tainted-Time> What part?
[01:02] <wisner> -cvpzf backup.tgz /
[01:02] <wisner> actually, make that
[01:02] <wisner> -cvpzf /backup.tgz /
[01:02] <Tainted-Time> sudo tar --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys --exclude=/boot/grub -cvpzf /backup.tgz /
[01:03] <wisner> Yeah. Do that.
[01:03] <cyne> why doesn't this work in /etc/fstab?
[01:03] <cyne> smb://robert/music /mnt/music ntfs auto,user,ro,umask=0222 0 0
[01:03] <wisner> Although (talking to myself) the leading slash on backup.tgz is in fact probably completely bogus--
[01:03] <cyne> mount: special device smb://robert/music does not exist
[01:03] <Tainted-Time> damn
[01:03] <wisner> Do you have smbfs installed?
[01:03] <cyne> aye
[01:03] <Tainted-Time> Forgot to put /procs in, should I stop it and make a new one?
[01:04] <wisner> Yes.
[01:04] <wisner> There is some possibility of corruption if you restore an old /proc over a new one.
[01:04] <cyne> wisner, yes i do
[01:05] <cyne> and smb://robert/music is accessible
[01:05] <wisner> Oh, actually
[01:05] <wisner> I do believe you need to -not- have smb::// in there
[01:06] <cyne> ok
[01:06] <wisner> Your filesystem type is smbfs, not ntfs
[01:06] <wisner> <-- READ FOR COMPREHENSION
[01:06] <Tainted-Time> Okay.
[01:06] <Tainted-Time> So once this finishes, I burn it to a DVD.
[01:06] <Tainted-Time> After that what?
[01:06] <wisner> ntfs is for mounting actual disk partitions only. What you want is smbfs.
[01:07] <wisner> Next: nuke and pave.
[01:07] <cyne> wisner, indeed
[01:07] <Tainted-Time> Lol. Im surprised I got that.
[01:07] <wisner> Install Windows from the recovery partition, resize your Windows partition to make room for Kubuntu, install same.
[01:07] <Tainted-Time> It doesnt let me recover it.
[01:08] <wisner> Your Windows recovery will probably create a FAT32 partition because they almost always do. This is good for your immediate purposes, as FAT32 is easier to deal with resizing.
[01:08] <_andrea> !xorg
[01:08] <ubotu> xorg is, like, totally, to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:08] <cyne> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on robert/music,
[01:08] <cyne>        missing codepage or other error
[01:08] <Tainted-Time> It says 'cannot  create user partition'
[01:08] <wisner> Did you change ntfs to smbfs?
[01:08] <cyne> Tainted-Time: rtfm :)
[01:08] <cyne> wisner, yes
[01:08] <cyne> wisner, i did everything you asked
[01:08] <Tainted-Time> rtfm? huh?"
[01:09] <wisner> Right - my helpfulness here is limited because I don't use smbfs - but I recommend you play with the smbmount command until you're able to manually get the directory mounted the way you want to.
[01:09] <Hobbsee> cyne: rtfm is not an acceptable response
[01:09] <cyne> Hobbsee: sorry
[01:09] <wisner> Once you've done that, easy enough to translate the command into an fstab entry.
[01:09] <cyne> wisner, thankyou i will
[01:09] <Tainted-Time> Hobbsee: What is rtfm?
[01:09] <wisner> Tainted - are you saying the recovery partition simply flat out doesn't let you install Windows at all?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Tainted-Time: read the friendly manual
[01:09] <wisner> (it stands for Read The F---ing Manual)
[01:09] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[01:09] <Tainted-Time> Oh.
[01:10] <Tainted-Time> Hobbsee: :D
[01:10] <Hobbsee> cyne: use "man command" or something for an answer - there are far too many manuals out there
[01:10] <Tainted-Time> It doesn't let me.
[01:10] <_andrea> any forum i can follow to make Kubuntu overall snappier?  - the likes of Yoper?
[01:10] <wisner> But the recovery partition *does* start up and begin the procedure before bombing out with an error?
[01:10] <Tainted-Time> It starts to boot, and then I click ok acouple of times, and then it says searching user partition
[01:11] <wisner> I see.
[01:11] <Tainted-Time> and then it says none found and then tries to make one and then failes.
[01:11] <Tainted-Time> fails**
[01:11] <wisner> I would try helping it along a bit by manally deleting the Kubuntu partition so the recovery program has a blank slate to work with.
[01:11] <wisner> Most of those recovery programs are pretty stupid.
[01:11] <wisner> Download and burn the SystemRescueCD. (Google it)
[01:12] <wisner> It's a bootable Linux CD with handy utilities to manipulate and resize your partitions.
[01:12] <wisner> Once you've got Windows up, you should be able to use it (QtParted) to resize the Windows partitoin.
[01:12] <Tainted-Time> http://sysresccd.org
[01:12] <Tainted-Time> QtParted?
[01:12] <wisner> It's the name of one of the included utilities.
[01:13] <wisner> A friendlier GUI version - command line partition editing is pretty brutal.
[01:13] <Tainted-Time> I know. I've tried...and failed many times.
[01:14] <wisner> Failed what?
[01:14] <wisner> What brand of system is this, by the way?
[01:14] <Tainted-Time> HP. I hate HP but somehow I end of buying them.
[01:14] <Tainted-Time> up**
[01:14] <wisner> You really should see somebody about that.
[01:15] <wisner> Or maybe you just like computers with spectacularly awful names?
[01:15] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[01:15] <wisner> (The HP Kayak is in my personal all-time horrible name hall of fame.)
[01:15] <wisner> They also make network equipment called... ProCurve.
[01:15] <Tainted-Time> Can you recommend a good system? Mid-sized budget.
[01:15] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[01:15] <wisner> I just feel so PROFESSIONAL when I install a ProCurve switch.
[01:15] <Tainted-Time> rofl
[01:16] <Tainted-Time> Who doesn't?
[01:16] <wisner> Desktop or laptop?
[01:16] <Tainted-Time> Eh, both?
[01:16] <wisner> I kind of like ASUS laptops.
[01:17] <wisner> They actually do contract manufacturing of a lot of laptops for the bigger names, so what you're getting is a top-drawer laptop for a bit less money.
[01:17] <wisner> *None* of the big-name brands actually manufacture their own laptops.
[01:17] <wisner> It's all farmed out to Taiwanese and Korean contract manufacturers.
[01:18] <wisner> As for desktops, I'm a bit of a Shuttle fan. You have to drop in your own CPU and hard drive, but that's easy.
[01:18] <Tainted-Time> Can you recommend an actual system, or model?
[01:19] <wisner> I'm currently jonesing for the SD11G5 because you simply *can't hear it running*. But it's a bit expensive because it uses a laptop CPU (those cost more).
[01:20] <wisner> If I wanted a more traditional system and I had to buy it today, I'd look at the SN25P or SN26P.
[01:20] <wisner> (Athlon 64)
[01:20] <Tainted-Time> Wow! The SD11G5 is sexeh.
[01:20] <wisner> Yeah. Shuttle have gotten the knack of making really pretty boxes lately.
[01:20] <wisner> Their first efforts a few years ago were... small. That's what they had going for them.
[01:21] <Tainted-Time> lol
[01:21] <wisner> I do really like the SD11G5 though - no internal power supply and a low-voltage laptop CPU, so it generates very little heat and thus has *very* quiet cooling.
[01:21] <_andrea> are there any tuneing/performance apps i can use ?
[01:21] <wisner> Sorry andrea, I don't personally know.
[01:21] <wisner> To me "performance tuning" is "add more RAM"
[01:21] <Tainted-Time> Does it come with any memory?
[01:22] <wisner> Ah, no. That too.
[01:22] <_andrea> isnt 1 gig of ram enough?
[01:22] <wisner> CPU, RAM, hard drive. You get those yourself.
[01:22] <_andrea> Corsair Low Latency ram
[01:22] <wisner> Yeah, 1GB should be fine for typical desktop use.
[01:22] <_andrea> thing is...i'm feeling it sluggish
[01:22] <wisner> The box I'm on right now is only 512GB. But I don't do anything more demanding with it than email, web and IRC.
[01:22] <Tainted-Time> wisner: What would I have to buy is that all?
[01:23] <wisner> Tainted: Shuttle box, CPU, memory, hard drive, optical (DVD) drive.
[01:23] <wisner> And obviously the external bits - keyboard, mouse
[01:23] <wisner> Oh, and OS. Heh.
[01:23] <Tainted-Time> How much is one of the boxes? I don't see a price or list of manufactures (sp?).
[01:23] <wisner> This is actually (IMO) one of the big advantages of building your own box - you don't get Windows preloaded with 37 pieces of auto-run-at-boot crap.
[01:24] <wisner> Er, well, my prices are all in Sterling...
[01:24] <Tainted-Time> Where can I find a pricelist?
[01:25] <_andrea> i need help with performance issues.....any guide where i can start?
[01:25] <wisner> I believe I've heard newegg sells Shuttle, have a ook there?
[01:26] <Tainted-Time> Alrighty.
[01:27] <wisner> andrea - I'm not ignoring you, I just really have no advice. I assume what you're talking about is KDE being sluggish and I'm no KDE expert.
[01:27] <Tainted-Time> wisner: Would you be willing to do me a favor/
[01:27] <Tainted-Time> ?
[01:27] <wisner> Yo?
[01:27] <Tainted-Time> Find a shuttle box, and a CPU.
[01:27] <Tainted-Time> Lowest price, but good.
[01:28] <Tainted-Time> Better than my box....:D
[01:28] <Tainted-Time> Do they come with onboard graphics?
[01:29] <wisner> Stop making me look bad.
[01:29] <wisner> Some do, some dont. The SN2[56] P don't.
[01:29] <wisner> SD11G5 does, but it's wimpy laptop-grade graphics that won't be able to run the full Vista UI.
[01:29] <Tainted-Time> What do you think a good system will cost? I have the ram and HD.
[01:30] <wisner> You *might* have the RAM and the HD :)
[01:30] <Tainted-Time> Lol...?
[01:30] <_andrea> wisner: yes but...should it be so sluggish on a powerful system
[01:30] <_andrea> ?
[01:30] <wisner> A newer system might use SATA and/or a newer RAM type.
[01:30] <Tainted-Time> Damn.
[01:30] <Tainted-Time> You're right.
[01:31] <wisner> andrea - I don't know how sluggish it is, but I shouldn't think so. I'm on a 3-year-old system that's really crummy by today's standards, but it does OK with the chat and the email and the browsing.
[01:31] <wisner> Although some Flash animations really kill.
[01:31] <wisner> The Flash plugin for Linux is.. not good.
[01:31] <wisner> newegg shows the SN25P for $382
[01:31] <_andrea> i've installed the 686-smp kernel...the nvidia drivers are ok too....but somehow....if i drag a window...it moves very slowly...OOo takes AGES to load.......i'm sure there's some setting wrong.....
[01:32] <Hobbsee> _andrea: tried turning java off?
[01:32] <wisner> Ahhhh.
[01:32] <wisner> I'm looking suspiciously at your nvidia drivers now.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> oops, sorry, i was meaning for startup
[01:32] <_andrea> Hobbsee: how?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> um...in the options?
[01:32] <_andrea> where?
[01:32] <_andrea> (i'm pretty new to linux...)
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:33] <wisner> SN25P and SN26P are substantially the same box. The SN26P has a SLI chipset which you don't care about unless you're a hardcore gamer. And it's purple.
[01:33] <wisner> If you don't know what SLI is, the SN25P is fine for you :)
[01:33] <Tainted-Time> I know what is, Im just not really "hardcore" enough.
[01:33] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[01:33] <Tainted-Time> I dont play enough games
[01:34] <wisner> SN25P is SATA/PATA so your drive will be fine.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> _andrea: tools, options, oo.org tab, java, untick the checkbox
[01:34] <_andrea> ok
[01:34] <_andrea> i did that....
[01:34] <wisner> And if money's an issue, you can start with a slower CPU and upgrade it later when the prices have dropped.
[01:34] <_andrea> i restarted Ooo and its much faster....but that mite be coz the program was still in memory or something?
[01:34] <Tainted-Time> wisner: Can you recommend any?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> quite possibly
[01:35] <_andrea> wisner: what about graphics drivers?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> _andrea: you might want to try koffice or abiword - both of which are lighter office suites
[01:35] <_andrea> but i need Ms Office features....
[01:35] <wisner> andrea - again, I can't be too specific. My graphics card is MUCH too old! But I have heard some people sometimes have problems with the vendor drivers and get better performance without them.
[01:36] <wisner> It is at least something to try, to see if there is any gain.
[01:36] <_andrea> wisner...no lol.....without them is even worse :D
[01:36] <Hobbsee> _andrea: a lot of them are in those other programs as well, but there may be ways of speeding oo.o up
[01:36] <_andrea> i added more memory for use
[01:36] <_andrea> that should make it better too
[01:36] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:37] <Tainted-Time> wisner: Can you recommend a good cheap CPU?
[01:38] <Tainted-Time> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535
[01:38] <Tainted-Time> ?
[01:38] <wisner> It looks like the cheapest CPU on newegg for that socket is $164.
[01:38] <wisner> Too rich for your blood?
[01:39] <wisner> It's the simultaneous blessing/curse of being on the latest platform - latest platform necessarily means newer CPUs which means higher price..
[01:39] <wisner> Actually, that's a retail box. OEM may be a bit cheaper.
[01:40] <Tainted-Time> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103587
[01:40] <Tainted-Time> Is that any good? Its OEM.
[01:40] <Tainted-Time> Whats the difference in dual-core and single-core?
[01:40] <wisner> Dual core is basically (to simplify) two CPUs on one chip.
[01:40] <Tainted-Time> But is it faster?
[01:40] <wisner> Not actually twice the power/speed, but maybe 180% the power/speed
[01:40] <wisner> It's faster, but.
[01:41] <wisner> Each individual core is no faster - but you've got two of them to work with. So it's faster if you're running multiple applications, or applications that know how to use multiple processors.
[01:41] <wisner> Right now most applications do not, but you can expect that to change over time as it's looking like multi-core processors *are* the future.
[01:42] <_andrea> what is katapult?
[01:42] <loganbdn> hola
[01:42] <wisner> And yes, that would be an awesome CPU to use if you can afford it.
[01:42] <wisner> Opteron is a server chip :)
[01:42] <loganbdn> kubuntu spanish help?
[01:42] <Tainted-Time> Ok, now a gfx card.
[01:43] <Tainted-Time> :D
[01:43] <wisner> The consumer grade would be "Athlon 64"
[01:43] <Tainted-Time> Doesn't need to be great right now, any ideas?
[01:43] <Tainted-Time> I'll get the opteron chip.
[01:43] <wisner> You don't care too much about 3l33t gaming performance?
[01:44] <Tainted-Time> Not right now :D.
[01:44] <Tainted-Time> Well almost and PCI-E card will run most games at low settings right?
[01:44] <cyne> anyone know why this returns "bad option or file system" error when doing "sudo mount -a" in /etc/fstab ?
[01:44] <cyne> /192.168.0.1/music     /mnt/music      smbfs   r       0       0
[01:44] <wisner> Any religious preference ATI vs NVIDIA? heh
[01:44] <wisner> the field that says "r" cyne, is almost certainly wrong.
[01:44] <Tainted-Time> Lol. Not really, whichever one Kubuntu/Dapper loves.
[01:45] <cyne> wisner, well the share is read only
[01:45] <wisner> Yes, even a low-end current generation card will perform acceptably with most games on low settings.
[01:45] <cyne> i'm going from this wisner : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[01:45] <wisner> You probably want "ro" then
[01:45] <cyne> oh!
[01:45] <cyne> no it does the same thing
[01:46] <wisner> Tainted, are you planning to live mostly in Linux rather than Windows?
[01:46] <Tainted-Time> Yeah, but Windows for PS, Flash MX, and games.
[01:46] <wisner> cyne, note the double leading /
[01:47] <wisner> See, if I were buying a new card for Windows today I'd pay special attention to the video playback acceleration, especially H.264
[01:47] <wisner> Right now that's more interesting to me than gaming performance.
[01:47] <wisner> But to simplify that - any latest-generation card will probably do you fine there.
[01:48] <wisner> Honestly, there's not a *lot* in it between ATI and NVIDIA. This week, ATI probably has the edge on video playback and NVIDIA on 3D.
[01:48] <wisner> I think NVIDIA gets the win on better Linux supoprt.
[01:48] <wisner> So, look for a 7300 perhaps?
[01:49] <cyne> wisner, yes i have that, sorry it didn't paste
[01:49] <cyne> i've tried every combination
[01:49] <cyne> and yet i can do smb://robert/music in konquerer and bam straight there
[01:49] <wisner> That's an entirely different code path, though.
[01:50] <cyne> sure
[01:50] <wisner> Konqueror's not using smbfs.
[01:50] <wisner> Have you been able to get the mount to work manually with a smbmount command line?
[01:50] <cyne> bash: smbmount: command not found
[01:50] <wisner> Then see above. :) Make sure smbfs is in fact installed
[01:50] <wisner> dpkg --list | grep smbfs
[01:50] <wisner> anything?
[01:51] <cyne> oh dear
[01:51] <cyne> :(
[01:51] <wisner> Heh.
[01:51] <wisner> apt-get update && apt-get install smbfs
[01:51] <cyne> time for a visit to adept :)
[01:51] <wisner> Wimp :)
[01:52] <Tainted-Time> wisner:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102579 ?
[01:52] <cyne> i assumed it was installed, assumption is the mother of all stuff ups
[01:52] <cyne> `:/
[01:52] <wisner> Hrm
[01:52] <wisner> I don't think I'd get that one.
[01:53] <Tainted-Time> Why not?
[01:53] <wisner> Well. That's ATI's previous-generation high-end card.
[01:53] <_andrea> I know this is something that's going to make you angry, but for the sake of introducing linux to some peeps....any way i can make kde look similar to windows GUI?
[01:53] <Tainted-Time> Yeah, http://kde-look.org
[01:53] <wisner> Is it my imagination or does newegg's search facility bite?
[01:53] <Tainted-Time> They have XP themes.
[01:53] <Tainted-Time> wisner: I thought the same thing.
[01:53] <Chousuke> _andrea: are you sure you have to do that? :)
[01:54] <_andrea> Chousuke: it makes explanations easier for me :D
[01:54] <Chousuke> _andrea: instead convince them that KDE's GUI is better.
[01:54] <Chousuke> it's very similar anyway.
[01:55] <cyne> thanks for your help wisner.... amaroK is happily building it's collection :)
[01:55] <_andrea> yes very similar.....albeit being sluggish rite now.....for some unknown reason :(
[01:55] <Tainted-Time> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102629
[01:55] <Tainted-Time> This one is alittle too high.
[01:55] <wisner> Have a look at 7800 cards
[01:55] <wisner> perhaps 7800 GS
[01:56] <wisner> I'm not positive the 7800 GS is for sale yet but hey--
[01:56] <Tainted-Time> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130256?
[01:57] <wisner> I don't have firsthand knowledge of the matter either way, but the general weight of opinion on the net seems to be that NVIDIA has the edge on Linux support.
[01:57] <_andrea> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=26886  - let's say i want this Start button...how do i apply it?
[01:58] <wisner> 7800 GT is a very good card.
[01:58] <wisner> It's not the ass-kickingest thing in a PCI Express slot, but it's not so far off.
[01:59] <johnkershaw> hey guys
[01:59] <wisner> 7800 GT sits around the top of the midrange, or the bottom of the top end.
[01:59] <johnkershaw> I just upgraded my packages
[02:00] <johnkershaw> now Konq tells me 'http protocol not supported'
[02:00] <johnkershaw> a web browser that can't browse the web???
[02:00] <wisner> Dapper? Breezy?
[02:00] <johnkershaw> um. breezy
[02:00] <johnkershaw> I added a new repositary
[02:00] <johnkershaw> at the advice of somebody here
[02:00] <wisner> Which method did you use to upgrade?
[02:00] <johnkershaw> synaptic
[02:01] <johnkershaw> got a failure near the end to do with ubuntu docs
[02:01] <wisner> I can hardly remember Synaptic. That's so.. three months ago
[02:01] <johnkershaw> but that shouldn't affect konq should it?
[02:01] <johnkershaw> lol
[02:01] <Tainted-Time> Ok. GFX, and CPU.
[02:01] <Tainted-Time> Now I need HD, and Mem.
[02:01] <wisner> Your old HD will work in the box.
[02:01] <Tainted-Time> Ok.
[02:02] <Tainted-Time> Will my mem?
[02:02] <wisner> john - a lot of stuff is modular. I did an upgrade earlier and ended up with a Kontact that knew everything except email.
[02:02] <wisner> An incomplete uprade could potentially do that.
[02:02] <wisner> Depends on what you've got now, TT. What've you got now?
[02:02] <johnkershaw> I'm wondering if I should restart, but wondering if it might not boot back up!
[02:02] <Tainted-Time> I believe DDR...
[02:02] <wisner> john, you OK with the Konsole window?
[02:03] <wisner> TT - go to crucial.com, go through their memory selecter, put in your current computer's model. It knows everything. It'll tell you what you have.
[02:03] <Tainted-Time> Alt+F2 and then 'konsole'.
[02:04] <Tainted-Time> wisner: :P I want to help people too!
[02:04] <johnkershaw> ish (according to synaptic the upgradable packages are kubuntu-docs, kuser, kverbos, kvoctrain, kwalletmanager, kwifimanager, kwordquiz, libpq4, postgre & ubuntu-docs)
[02:04] <johnkershaw> konsole open
[02:04] <wisner> john, in konsole try: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:05] <wisner> I neither trust nor distrust synaptic, I'm just more confident that apt-get does what I expect!
[02:05] <johnkershaw> could not get lock - kill synaptic?
[02:05] <wisner> yes
[02:05] <_andrea> i need the plugin Moodin
[02:05] <_andrea> where can i get it?
[02:05] <wisner> Synaptic's superseded in Dapper--
[02:05] <johnkershaw> get packages without authentication? (y)
[02:05] <wisner> Yeah
[02:06] <wisner> Did it tell you the same set of packages need upgrading?
[02:06] <johnkershaw> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html' with
[02:06] <johnkershaw>   different file `/usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index-ubuntu.html', not allowed
[02:06] <johnkershaw> dpkg: error processing kubuntu-docs (--remove):
[02:06] <johnkershaw>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
[02:07] <johnkershaw> permissions issue?
[02:07] <wisner> I take it that's the same error that threw you off last time.
[02:07] <johnkershaw> yes
[02:07] <johnkershaw> i checked permissions on that file
[02:07] <johnkershaw> seems okay
[02:07] <johnkershaw> lrwxrwxrwx
[02:08] <wisner> Nah, not permissions. Hold on a moment
[02:08] <Tainted-Time> wisner: How do I burn my backup.tgz and the sysreccd to a dvd and a cd?
[02:08] <johnkershaw> owner:root group:root though??
[02:08] <johnkershaw> k
[02:08] <johnkershaw> (just putting baby to bed for his nap... back in 2 mins)
[02:10] <wisner> Do you have K3b on your system?
[02:10] <Tainted-Time> yeah
[02:10] <wisner> Then there you go!
[02:10] <Tainted-Time> Damn, the backup.tgz doesnt fit on a DVD
[02:10] <wisner> My only burner is on my Mac so I actually have no idea
[02:10] <wisner> How big is the file?
[02:10] <Tainted-Time> 5.6gb
[02:10] <wisner> OK then
[02:10] <wisner> easy
[02:11] <wisner> Rerun the backup, but change the z flag to a j
[02:11] <wisner> That uses a different, more effective (but slower) compression method.
[02:12] <wisner> john - I'm not sure why you're getting that error
[02:12] <wisner> or why I hit return premature
[02:12] <wisner> ly
[02:12] <wisner> again
[02:13] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[02:14] <johnkershaw> k - back
[02:14] <Tainted-Time> I've tried using Gimp...It's just so unorthodox and confusing.
[02:14] <Tainted-Time> What I like about Photoshop is that all the dialogs are in one task.
[02:15] <johnkershaw> gimp takes some getting used coming from photoshop, but it's worth it
[02:15] <wisner> I've poked around a bit on my own system, and it *appears* to me you should be fine if you simply remove that old /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html file.
[02:15] <wisner> And then re-do the installation.
[02:15] <johnkershaw> will do
[02:15] <Tainted-Time> johnkershaw: Why?
[02:15] <Tainted-Time> johnkershaw: Do you think GIMP is better than PS?
[02:15] <johnkershaw> what's the command line gizmo to repeat last arguments with different command?
[02:15] <Tainted-Time> Up arrow key?
[02:16] <wisner> last argument (singular) is easy, last arguments not so much.
[02:16] <wisner> I'm going to go with arrow key
[02:16] <johnkershaw> upgrade seems to be running okay now
[02:16] <johnkershaw> I think gimp is cheaper than ps :)
[02:17] <johnkershaw> and I sooo like on-the-fly shortcut reassignment
[02:17] <johnkershaw> but I still use Fireworks cos of the vector-ness
[02:18] <johnkershaw> (that's why I prefer gimp - I'm a stickler for paying for my software, 'cept for the ages old Photoshop 4 that I keep around for converting files)
[02:18] <wisner> Everything I've got is legal, too.
[02:18] <johnkershaw> but I mostly make web graphics, lots of text, nothing fancy - never more than 10 layers
[02:19] <wisner> This is one of the big reasons why I'm drifting away from my Mac.. I weary of Apple's annual software taxes.
[02:19] <johnkershaw> can gimp draw vector shapes?
[02:19] <johnkershaw> and keep them as vectors?
[02:19] <wisner> They brag about putting out a new OS X release every year (or so).. sure they do, it's great for revenue!
[02:19] <johnkershaw> yeah - but I've *never* had any install issues with an OS X upgrade
[02:19] <johnkershaw> somebody has to pay for all that certainty :)
[02:20] <wisner> I never do "upgrade" OS installations.
[02:20] <wisner> It's my only religion.
[02:20] <johnkershaw> ???
[02:20] <wisner> Never upgrade. Never upgrade. Nuke and pave.
[02:20] <johnkershaw> why?
[02:20] <wisner> I don't trust upgraders to get everything right that needs to be gotten right.
[02:20] <johnkershaw> I've been upgrading my hard drive since OS 7.5
[02:20] <johnkershaw> never done a fresh install yet
[02:21] <wisner> Plus, nuking and paving is a *fantastic* motivator to clean up the crap.
[02:21] <johnkershaw> I like my crap ;)
[02:21] <johnkershaw> upgrade appears to have finished
[02:21] <johnkershaw> maybe it will have fixed my "can't logout" issues?
[02:21] <Tainted-Time> ?
[02:21] <Tainted-Time> Why the new name?
[02:22] <auturge> This is my 'normal' nickname. I was being lazy.
[02:22] <johnkershaw> I installed edubuntu on this winME machine 2 weeks ago (dual-boot - my kids need to feed their virtual fish in windows)
[02:22] <Tainted-Time> Oh lol
[02:22] <johnkershaw> then I installed KDE over the top cos a friend said GNOME was underpowered
[02:22] <johnkershaw> now I can't log out
[02:23] <johnkershaw> I get the 'Restart/Shut down' dialog, but neither buttons actually works
[02:23] <johnkershaw> any ideas?
[02:23] <johnkershaw> I'm def logging in under KDM
[02:23] <johnkershaw> according to the etc/x11 thingy
[02:23] <auturge> Why call it underpowered when 'poorly designed' will do?
[02:24] <auturge> Doesn't work? As in, does nothing at all?
[02:24] <johnkershaw> it didn't appear to be poorly designed - I want KDE for me and GNOME for my boy
[02:24] <johnkershaw> nothing at all
[02:24] <johnkershaw> he's only 5
[02:24] <johnkershaw> something simple is all he needs - an easy interface to his games and the gimp
[02:24] <johnkershaw> and to be able to reboot into windows
[02:24] <auturge> I'm not cock-a-hoop about GNOME *or* KDE.. but I dislike KDE less.
[02:25] <johnkershaw> (crashtastic)
[02:25] <auturge> Actually, KDE is pretty OK.
[02:25] <auturge> But I really wish that the Linux world would stop trying to reinvent Windows. We've already GOT Windows.
[02:25] <Tainted-Time> I like E17.
[02:25] <Tainted-Time> Yeah.
[02:25] <johnkershaw> okay - I'm gonna try restart now. If I disappear, it's no longer broken ;)
[02:25] <howcomes> How can i add Konversation and/or XMMS to the System Tray (KDE)
[02:25] <Tainted-Time> I want something totally different.
[02:25] <auturge> Me too.
[02:26] <auturge> Right-click the panel, "Add Application to Panel"?
[02:26] <auturge> That's a question because I never know if anything I say applies to Breezy.
[02:26] <Tainted-Time> Thats right
[02:26] <johnkershaw> okay
[02:26] <johnkershaw> I'm still here
[02:26] <johnkershaw> I get the 'grey screen' and the logout options dialog
[02:26] <johnkershaw> I click 'Restart'
[02:26] <Tainted-Time> I use Gaim
[02:27] <johnkershaw> and the frontmost window gets nobbled (this IRC conversation)
[02:27] <auturge> OK, I have two religions.
[02:27] <johnkershaw> but the apps themselves stay put
[02:27] <auturge> "Never upgrade" and "don't mix desktop toolkits".
[02:27] <johnkershaw> everything's still open
[02:27] <auturge> I avoid GNOME apps on KDE like the plague.
[02:27] <Tainted-Time> Ive been using gaim since it came out
[02:28] <johnkershaw> yes, yes, yes, but I want GNOME for my 5-year old
[02:28] <auturge> Beyond my ken, john. But I might try creating another user account and see if it has the same problem, to rule out it being just you.
[02:29] <johnkershaw> okay - my boy's account can log out just fine
[02:29] <johnkershaw> he's under gnome
[02:29] <auturge> But that's GNOME?
[02:29] <auturge> Right, I meant KDE
[02:29] <auturge> The idea being to see whether it's some oddity that's crept into your personal customisatoin.
[02:30] <johnkershaw> um - remind me how to create a new user in KDE?
[02:30] <johnkershaw> kuser
[02:30] <auturge> Well, in Dapper...
[02:30] <Tainted-Time> Kmenu > System > Kuser
[02:31] <Tainted-Time> On breezy
[02:31] <auturge> Seriously. The one is something I *know* has changed since Breezy, so I have no answer.
[02:31] <auturge> There's a pane under "System Settings" now.
[02:31] <johnkershaw> should I be running dapper?
[02:31] <Tainted-Time> Noo..
[02:31] <auturge> Nah.
[02:31] <johnkershaw> I've been in linux for, oh, 2 weeks
[02:31] <auturge> It's strictly optional.
[02:31] <johnkershaw> k
[02:31] <auturge> There's no pressing reason why you should upgrade until Dapper gets released officially, unless you just adore being bleeding edge.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> and know how to fix the problems
[02:32] <johnkershaw> um - group name?
[02:32] <Tainted-Time> I do....if I can afford it
[02:32] <auturge> That falls under 'bleeding edge'!
[02:32] <auturge> Whatever your own group name is, john
[02:32] <johnkershaw> like I'd know?
[02:32] <johnkershaw> lol
[02:32] <auturge> type 'id' in a Konsole
[02:32] <auturge> because, yet again, I can't be arsed to figure out the GUI way
[02:33] <johnkershaw> konsole is fine
[02:33] <auturge> gid=####(name)
[02:33] <Tainted-Time> I dont like guis
[02:33] <johnkershaw> jkershaw
[02:33] <johnkershaw> same as my uid?
[02:33] <Tainted-Time> I download all my stuff in yakuake
[02:33] <auturge> Looks like it.
[02:33] <johnkershaw> shouldn't we all be in users or something?
[02:33] <johnkershaw> so do I create the new user in jkershaw or in testname group?
[02:34] <Tainted-Time>        I would love to use yakuake alot more.
[02:34] <auturge> What do you think this is, some sort of *real* unix?
[02:34] <Tainted-Time> Me?
[02:34] <auturge> OK, take the lazy way and put it in 'users'
[02:34] <auturge> It won't really matter, especially since the account is throwaway.
[02:35] <Tainted-Time> I use a gui to use konsole.
[02:35] <Tainted-Time> =P
[02:35] <auturge> Lunchtime. To the kebab shop!
[02:35] <Tainted-Time> auturge: Where do you live?
[02:36] <auturge> London
[02:36] <johnkershaw> account disabled checkbox? (I'm in West Yorkshire)
[02:36] <Tainted-Time> auturge: Wish I lived in london, or had an accent like that.
[02:36] <auturge> No, don't disable.
[02:36] <auturge> Be careful what you wish for.. you might just end up with an Estuary accent
[02:36] <johnkershaw> so *uncheck* the disabled check box? (how confusing a default is that?)
[02:37] <auturge> Yes, that seems rather odd.
[02:37] <auturge> But disabled, you won't be able to log in, rather defeats the purpose.
[02:37] <johnkershaw> k - created user
[02:37] <johnkershaw> now log in as that user, then log out?
[02:37] <auturge> Try logging it in and out, if you have the same problem it's a fair bet it's your system config somehow buggered.
[02:37] <auturge> Me, I'll be back in 20 or so. With kebab.
[02:38] <Tainted-Time> wait.
[02:38] <johnkershaw> yum
[02:38] <Tainted-Time> Can I change the thing in konsole...?
[02:38] <Tainted-Time> like user@comp
[02:38] <johnkershaw> hmm - start new session doesn't work
[02:39] <johnkershaw> odd
[02:39] <johnkershaw> maybe cos I tried to log out
[02:39] <johnkershaw> I'll do a 'sudo shutdown now' and log back in as the new user
[02:39] <Tainted-Time> What is a kebab?
[02:39] <johnkershaw> or is there a better command I should be using (I guessed shutdown!)
[02:39] <johnkershaw> lol
[02:39] <Tainted-Time> I dunno
[02:40] <Tainted-Time> Im new to linux myself.
[02:40] <johnkershaw> lamb scrapings squished together, roasted slowly and sliced thinly, served in a pitta bread with salad, lemon juice & chilli sauce
[02:40] <johnkershaw> yummy
[02:40] <Tainted-Time> take out the salad
[02:40] <johnkershaw> hmm - feeling peckish now
[02:40] <Tainted-Time> and im good
[02:40] <Tainted-Time> I want one!
[02:40] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[02:40] <johnkershaw> and grease dripping down your arm
[02:40] <johnkershaw> best eaten drunk
[02:41] <Tainted-Time> Damn, I need to move to london, but with all the riots and stuff going on...
[02:41] <johnkershaw> depending on the establishment
[02:41] <johnkershaw> riots?
[02:41] <Tainted-Time> Yeah...
[02:41] <johnkershaw> did we have some riots?
[02:41] <Tainted-Time> Dunno, thats what I heard.
[02:41] <johnkershaw> don't think so
[02:41] <Tainted-Time> Probably false.
[02:41] <johnkershaw> you know when we had the terrorist bombings?
[02:41] <Tainted-Time> Yeah
[02:41] <johnkershaw> a guy from the US was commiserating me
[02:42] <adub> kde will not allow me to change date and time i type in the pass for root i know its right caps lock isnt on
[02:42] <johnkershaw> saying how the US people felt our pain etc
[02:42] <johnkershaw> and it was, like, a total non-event here
[02:42] <Tainted-Time> lol
[02:42] <johnkershaw> kind of: some silly bugger blew himself up, but it's back to business as usual
[02:43] <Tainted-Time> im going to start saying bugger
[02:43] <Tainted-Time> lol
[02:43] <johnkershaw> hmm - not necessarily wise in these politically-correct nonsense days
[02:43] <johnkershaw> I'm going to start saying 'sudo'
[02:43] <Tainted-Time> hahahahaha
[02:43] <johnkershaw> bye for a minute
[02:43] <Tainted-Time> 'sudo chop'
[02:44] <johnkershaw> command not found?
[02:44] <Tainted-Time> what?
[02:44] <Tainted-Time> thats not a real command...lol
[02:47] <enfact> su su su su su sudo
[02:47] <enfact> su su su sudio
[02:47] <Tainted-Time> 'sudo chop'
[02:47] <Tainted-Time> lol
[02:47] <Tainted-Time> instead of judo
[02:47] <enfact> the first line is all commands via the phil collins shell
[02:47] <Tainted-Time> sudo
[02:47] <Tainted-Time> God, I am hilarium.
[02:48] <Tainted-Time> That word is hilarious right?
[02:48] <Tainted-Time> I made it up.
[02:48] <Tainted-Time> So it kicks ass.
[02:48] <Tainted-Time> enfact: Are you an experienced Linux user?
[02:48] <nalioth> you folks do know about #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[02:49] <Tainted-Time> Lol, well I'm just waiting for auturgeto come back.
[02:49] <Tainted-Time> :D
[02:50] <Tainted-Time> No one is alive..
[02:51] <adub> i think i need to reinstall my clock for kde is there an apt-get command for htis
[02:51] <adub> i type in my root password and it wont authenticate cant change date nor time from kde????
[02:51] <Tainted-Time> Thats a problem with KDE from the sounds of it.
[02:52] <Tainted-Time> I'm not experienced so don't trust me.
[02:52] <adub> It use to work then now it doesnt
[02:52] <adub> how can i change date time from the command prompt
[02:54] <Tainted-Time> Go to Kmenu > Settings > Time and Date
[02:56] <malte> hm. does anyone know why ctrl+alt+fn won't work for switching VT in x.org? it's just ignored, it seems, because it's sent to applications instead
[02:57] <johnkershaw> back
[02:57] <Tainted-Time> YAY!
[02:57] <johnkershaw> if I log in as matt, in kde, I can log out again okay
[02:58] <johnkershaw> if I log in as me, I can't
[02:58] <Tainted-Time> Wierd.
[02:58] <dv-_> hi
[02:58] <Tainted-Time> Hi
[02:58] <johnkershaw> also it doesn't remember to use my wireless connection - keeps reverting to eth0 instead of ra1
[02:58] <Tainted-Time> Make a new account?
[02:58] <johnkershaw> hmm - suppose so
[02:58] <dv-_> I have a question: I have a mount at /mnt/rem1
[02:59] <dv-_> there a samba share is mounted
[02:59] <dv-_> mounting works ok
[02:59] <dv-_> but unmounting requires root privileges
[02:59] <dv-_> now I created an icon on the desktop for easy mounting
[02:59] <dv-_> but unmounting with it doesnt work because of the root issue
[03:00] <dv-_> now I want to be able to right-click on it and click "unmount" instead of having to go to the terminal and typing smbumount /mnt/rem1
[03:00] <dv-_> I cannot rely on the KDE smb kioslave since non-kde apps need access to the share
[03:09] <xatalinux> hello everyone
[03:09] <Tainted-Time> yo
[03:10] <Tainted-Time> !lart xatalinux
[03:11] <josesito> can someone help a newbie configuring kubuntu??
[03:11] <Tainted-Time> Ill try.
[03:11] <Tainted-Time> Im a newb, but my system kicks ass so...
[03:12] <Tainted-Time> What do you need help with?
[03:12] <xatalinux> i have a laptop fujitsu simens and i have tv out but i don't know how i can configurate to can conected to tv .....i have videocard ati radeon 9000
[03:12] <josesito> i can't configure my usb adsl modem...
[03:12] <Tainted-Time> Oh, I have no idea.
[03:12] <josesito> it's a speedtouch 330 rev 4
[03:12] <auturge> We didn't have riots.
[03:12] <Tainted-Time> I use an ethernet card, plugged into my router, that goes to a cable modem.
[03:13] <Tainted-Time> I noticed
[03:13] <Tainted-Time> :P
[03:13] <auturge> In fact, London's collective response to the bombings was a shrug and a "you think you're scary? you think you're SCARY?! the IRISH, THEY were scary!"
[03:13] <josesito> anyone else?
[03:13] <Tainted-Time> lol
[03:13] <auturge> I was proud of this city that day--
[03:13] <Tainted-Time> Got bzip is soooo slow.
[03:13] <VincentMX> does kubuntu hve anything that looks like PCBSD's pbi installer? or will it have anything like it in the future?
[03:14] <VincentMX> s/hve/have
[03:14] <xatalinux> can help me someone with the tv out?
[03:14] <VincentMX> i'll try, xatalinux
[03:14] <auturge> bzip2 is particularly slow compressing - it's a lot faster at decompressing.
[03:15] <xatalinux> k
[03:15] <xatalinux> thank's
[03:15] <xatalinux> my videocard is ati radeon 9000
[03:15] <VincentMX> yes, go on
[03:16] <VincentMX> xatalinux?
[03:16] <xatalinux> and i don't knou how i can configure to can conect to tv ?
[03:16] <Tainted-Time> auturge: Lol....all of this...I think I want to install Dapper, and ill just do everything over again.
[03:16] <Tainted-Time> Where can I get dapper?
[03:17] <xatalinux> k
[03:17] <jjesse> Tainted-Time: cdimage.ubuntu.com allows you to download dapper
[03:17] <jjesse> if you would like
[03:17] <auturge> You don't really need to. If you've already got a Breezy disc, you can install that and upgrade in place.
[03:17] <auturge> Or what jjesse said--
[03:17] <jjesse> just replace breezy with dapper in your sources as well
[03:17] <VincentMX> xatalinux, type: "apt-cache search tv out" in Konsole
[03:17] <Tainted-Time> Eh....I dont see dapper
[03:18] <auturge> On the other hand, if you've got a fast connection you could just download it now rather than later.
[03:18] <xatalinux> k
[03:18] <VincentMX> there should be some apps that can help
[03:18] <dark_suic> Tainted-Time, bzip is really slow, but i've seen it compress 30 Mb in 8 including quite a lot of executables
[03:18] <auturge> Where are you looking?
[03:18] <Tainted-Time> Acouple of them.
[03:18] <jjesse> Tainted-Time: at cdimage.ubuntu.com select kubuntu and then releases if i recall correctly
[03:18] <Tainted-Time> Damn.
[03:18] <auturge> Tainted, look at kubuntu.org
[03:18] <auturge> There's a link for flight-3 right at the top.
[03:19] <Tainted-Time> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20060124/
[03:19] <xatalinux> k
[03:19] <Tainted-Time> Does the DVD just allow the LiveCD part too?
[03:19] <xatalinux> i insert this in konsole
[03:20] <xatalinux> is done
[03:20] <Tainted-Time> Damn.
[03:20] <xatalinux> and after that ?
[03:20] <Tainted-Time> I always forget about the 'download' part.
[03:20] <VincentMX> xatalinux, now press enter
[03:20] <auturge> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-3/
[03:20] <Tainted-Time> I always seem to think it just poofs on to my desktop.
[03:21] <xatalinux> is coming somthing over
[03:21] <auturge> IMO, you might as well just download a smaller CD than a larger DVD, since you'll (presumably) just be doing an apt upgrade as soon as you're done installing anyway.
[03:21] <xatalinux> and now is finish
[03:22] <xatalinux> and now i can conect with tv ?
[03:22] <VincentMX> there should be an app that takes care of tv out, in the list apt-cache gave you
[03:23] <VincentMX> install it with "apt-get install (app you want to install)"
[03:23] <Tainted-Time> What does dapper actually do better?
[03:23] <VincentMX> in konsole
[03:23] <Tainted-Time> Besides automagically upgrading everything?
[03:23] <xatalinux> because i need one optione to can changr from ntsf in pal
[03:23] <xatalinux> k
[03:24] <xatalinux> i will try
[03:24] <auturge> Breezy does that too.
[03:24] <VincentMX> Tainted-Time, lotsd of bugfixes, newer kde version, newer other shit, better/more translations to other languages
[03:24] <auturge> It's like I said - there's not some specific thing I can point to and say "Dapper does *this*". It's hundreds if not thousands of little things.
[03:24] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> Is it KDE 4.0? or just 3.5?
[03:25] <jjesse> Tainted-Time: check out the dapper release notes for kubuntu at http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes-web/C/index.html
[03:25] <auturge> 3.5.1
[03:25] <Hobbsee> 3.5
[03:25] <auturge> AFAIK 4.0's done done yet
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> done done?
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> lol
[03:25] <VincentMX> 3.5.1
[03:25] <jjesse> 3.5.1 is not officially in the release
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> :D
[03:25] <auturge> You're right, my bad, 3.5.0
[03:25] <auturge> *not* done yet
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> is it 3.5.1?
[03:25] <Tainted-Time> or 3.5.0
[03:25] <auturge> Typing with a mouthful of chicken shish, what do you want
[03:25] <auturge> It's 3.5.0
[03:26] <Hobbsee> 3.5.0 is in dapper currently
[03:26] <VincentMX> i thought it was 3.5.1
[03:26] <auturge> 3.5.1's available for testing if you take steps to get it.
[03:26] <auturge> no, wait
[03:26] <Tainted-Time> If I take steps?
[03:26] <auturge> My *other* system which I updated this morning is showing 3.5.1
[03:26] <auturge> So apparently, it's in now
[03:26] <jjesse> Tainted-Time: you ahve to add an unofficial repository
[03:26] <VincentMX> Taintedtime, yeah, it's an expression for doing something
[03:26] <jjesse> was the last i heard on friday
[03:26] <auturge> Nope jjesse, as of right now 3.5.1 is in
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ah, we have 3.5.1, i just checked
[03:27] <alex789> join #emacs
[03:27] <Tainted-Time> So the ISO I am downloading has it in?
[03:27] <Tainted-Time> Or do I have to upgrade?
[03:27] <auturge> No.
[03:28] <auturge> Once you get it installed, use Adept or apt-get to upgrade to current packages.
[03:28] <auturge> And you'll have it.
[03:28] <auturge> It'll install initially with 3.5.0
[03:29] <Tainted-Time> Whats the konsole  command?
[03:29] <Tainted-Time> apt-get upgrade?
[03:29] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[03:29] <auturge> apt-get dist-upgrade is preferable.
[03:29] <Tainted-Time> I was close enough. :D
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> what is the equivalent of '/etc/rc.local' in kubuntu ?? I need to load a modprobe during boot up as root
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> anybody can help me ?
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> [15:27]  <orion_fr_24> what is the equivalent of '/etc/rc.local' in kubuntu ?? I need to load a modprobe during boot up as root
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> [15:27]  <orion_fr_24> anybody can help me ?
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> [15:28]  <orion_fr_24> I just need a file where i can type some commandline that will be executed as a root user
[03:29] <orion_fr_24> [15:28]  <orion_fr_24> so I can load my WIFI card before network configuration during boot
[03:30] <laga>  /etc/rc.boot works at least in debian
[03:30] <orion_fr_24> yes but for kubunut
[03:30] <orion_fr_24> will it works ?
[03:30] <laga> try it. :)
[03:30] <orion_fr_24> lol
[03:30] <orion_fr_24> ok
[03:30] <auturge> No.
[03:31] <orion_fr_24> hoo
[03:31] <auturge> Or am I talking Dapper again?
[03:31] <laga> auturge: really? did they remove that?
[03:31] <auturge> Is Breezy sysvinit?
[03:31] <orion_fr_24> auturge: so what would you advise me ?
[03:31] <xatalinux> i try to install but i don't have any results
[03:31] <laga> i have never tried it in ubuntu
[03:31] <xatalinux> thank you for you help
[03:32] <dark_suic> laga, it isn't there, i've just ls'ed it and it doesn't appear
[03:32] <laga> dark_suic: so? you have to create it :)
[03:32] <laga> wait a sec
[03:32] <auturge> Ubuntu uses SysV-style rc scripts.
[03:33] <orion_fr_24> modprobe ndiswrapper
[03:33] <auturge> See all the files in /etc/rc0.d?
[03:33] <orion_fr_24> auturge: YEP
[03:33] <mars> Hi I have a little problem i am trying to download deb package rom kdelopok but when i click it it opens in kate. How to download ti?
[03:33] <auturge> Each file is a separate rc script. They are run in the order specified by the beginning of the filename.
[03:33] <laga> init.d/rcS:#    For compatibility, run the files in /etc/rc.boot too.
[03:33] <laga> init.d/rcS:[ -d /etc/rc.boot ]  && run-parts /etc/rc.boot
[03:33] <auturge> bah
[03:34] <orion_fr_24> auturge: so what should i do ?
[03:34] <auturge> Well
[03:34] <auturge> I'm thinking you want to do your modprobe before S35networking
[03:34] <auturge> So if you make a file called S34whatever, it'll get run before S35networking.
[03:34] <auturge> The "correct" way to do this is make /etc/init.d/whatever and symlink that into /etc/rc0.d/S34networking
[03:35] <auturge> er, into /etc/rc0.d/S34whatever
[03:35] <orion_fr_24> and to create a script what should I do ?
[03:35] <auturge> But
[03:35] <orion_fr_24> just typing the command lines one by one
[03:35] <auturge> I'm seeing module-init-tools which looks promising for what you need
[03:35] <orion_fr_24> auturge: nothing special ?
[03:35] <auturge> Look at /etc/modules
[03:36] <orion_fr_24> auturge: it s a file
[03:36] <mars> Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:36] <auturge> Yes, look what it says.
[03:36] <orion_fr_24> shouId I edit it with vi ?
[03:36] <orion_fr_24> ok
[03:36] <auturge> Yes.
[03:36] <mars> I have ptroblem. I am trying to install Crystal theme from source but it shows it during configuring :checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:36] <auturge> This looks to me like a more promising way to do what you need than messing about with rc files.
[03:36] <auturge> Try adding the name of the module you need to modprobe to the end of /etc/modules
[03:36] <auturge> And see if that helps.
[03:37] <mars> Any Idea?
[03:37] <orion_fr_24> auturge:  it says lp mousedev psmouse
[03:37] <auturge> Yes, those are each kernel modules
[03:37] <auturge> Anything in that file, will get modprobed at boot time
[03:37] <orion_fr_24> ok
[03:38] <orion_fr_24> and if I need to execute 'sbin/ifup MYWIFI' can i add it in this file ?
[03:38] <auturge> Are you looking at some instructions you have for your wireless card?
[03:38] <orion_fr_24> auturge: can we chat one to one ?
[03:39] <auturge> If you like.
[03:39] <mars_> What to do with it: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths
[03:39] <Tainted-Time> I wish I could have a 'private' chat with you.
[03:39] <Tainted-Time> :D
[03:39] <MRmaverick> hi all
[03:40] <Tainted-Time> yi sue mak chial hamma
[03:41] <Tainted-Time> Does that look real?
[03:44] <MRmaverick> ?
[03:45] <MRmaverick> just curious should i chose live version of kubuntu as iam a newb?
[03:45] <Tainted-Time> No...not if you want to always run off the cd
[03:45] <Tainted-Time> without new stuff
[03:45] <Tainted-Time> brb
[03:45] <Tainted-Time> BISCUITS
[03:45] <MRmaverick> oky
[03:45] <MRmaverick> ill d/l proper
[03:47] <MRmaverick> just curious... is kubuntu noob freindly install?
[03:47] <MRmaverick> as i tried debian and failed..
[03:47] <laga> yep
[03:47] <MRmaverick> tried knoppix and failed
[03:47] <MRmaverick> seems linux distros hate me
[03:47] <Tainted-Time> Yeah
[03:47] <Tainted-Time> Its very friendly
[03:47] <auturge> It is *enormously* more friendly than Debian.
[03:48] <MRmaverick> sooo in the install will it create new partition?
[03:48] <MRmaverick> all iam looking for is kde enviroment with emacs
[03:48] <auturge> Yes.
[03:48] <MRmaverick> and gcc
[03:48] <MRmaverick> as i need do a cswk in c++
[03:49] <MRmaverick> thanks for help guys
[03:49] <claudiu> hi all
[03:49] <MRmaverick> hi
[03:50] <thoreauputic> MRmaverick:  install build-essential for compilers,  emacs21 for emacs
[03:50] <claudiu> ia have a problem with my hp printer, it's working ok, except it is printing always in DRAFT mode
[03:50] <MRmaverick> ok ill google that
[03:50] <auturge> Of course you have a problem with your hp printer. It's an hp printer! ho ho ho
[03:50] <claudiu> does anyone have any idea
[03:51] <thoreauputic> MRmaverick: no need - just install them
[03:51] <thoreauputic> !info build-essential
[03:51] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[03:51] <thoreauputic> !info emacs21
[03:51] <ubotu> emacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4a-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 5908 kB
[03:51] <MRmaverick> ahh will these be choices in the insuall
[03:52] <laga> !info mythtv
[03:52] <MRmaverick> or will have to install via comand prompt?
[03:52] <ubotu> mythtv: (A personal video recorder application (client and server)), section multiverse/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.18.1-5 (breezy), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
[03:52] <laga> nice
[03:52] <auturge> No, but once you've got it installed you can use Synaptic or the command line to add them.
[03:52] <claudiu> auturge: okay. got the point. i hope linux will provide better hardware support
[03:52] <MRmaverick> oky
[03:52] <thoreauputic> MRmaverick: use the synaptic or adept package manager
[03:52] <MRmaverick> ill see wat synaptic is
[03:52] <MRmaverick> oky
[03:52] <auturge> claudiu - I don't really know, but I'd thoroughly check through all the driver options
[03:52] <MRmaverick> hmm hope this works
[03:52] <thoreauputic> MRmaverick: build-essential is on the CD anyway
[03:52] <auturge> I'd also see if using the 'print mode' button on the front (if your model of printer has one) makes any difference.
[03:52] <MRmaverick> ok
[03:53] <MRmaverick> cheers guys
[03:53] <auturge> Is Adept in Breezy?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> auturge: yes
[03:53] <auturge> Then use Adept!
[03:53] <thoreauputic> !info adept
[03:53] <ubotu> adept: (package manager for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.0 (breezy), Packaged size: 1479 kB, Installed size: 4148 kB
[03:53] <auturge> I was about to do taht--
[03:53] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:54] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  howdy :)
[03:54] <thoreauputic> kkathman: hi :)
[03:55] <Sastkryptlox> does anyone here know anything about language-support in kubuntu?
[03:55] <claudiu> auturge: ok. thanks anyway
[03:56] <Sastkryptlox> I'd like to write in korean... but i don't know how i can do it ^^
[03:56] <auturge> Boo, Dancer-ircd
[03:57] <Sastkryptlox> nobody knows about language support?
[03:57] <auturge> I can barely speak English!
[03:58] <auturge> But...
[03:58] <Sastkryptlox> What is your language?
[03:58] <Sastkryptlox> ^^
[03:58] <auturge> !info language-pack-kde-ko
[03:58] <ubotu> language-pack-kde-ko: (KDE translation updates for language Korean), section translations, is optional. Version: 20051011 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[03:58] <auturge> English. My language is English.
[03:58] <Sastkryptlox> k
[03:59] <Sastkryptlox> @ ubotu: where's that?
[03:59] <Sastkryptlox> ah
[03:59] <Sastkryptlox> that was a bot ;)
[03:59] <Sastkryptlox> okay
[03:59] <auturge> Right. The point being, KDE does include some Korean support.
[04:00] <Sastkryptlox> hmm... that's nice. Do i have to install it?
[04:00] <Sastkryptlox> well... do you know HOW TO install it? ^^
[04:00] <auturge> Most likely, yes.
[04:00] <auturge> Yep.
[04:00] <Sastkryptlox> cool... can you tell me? ;)
[04:00] <auturge> Use Adept.
[04:01] <Sastkryptlox> hmm... is that a program?
[04:01] <auturge> Yes.
[04:01] <auturge> It's a program for managing software updates.
[04:01] <Sastkryptlox> or is it similar to apt-get?
[04:01] <Sastkryptlox> ah
[04:01] <auturge> It's a GUI front end to same.
[04:01] <auturge> If you're comfortable with apt-get, you can use that too.
[04:02] <Sastkryptlox> well... i'm not really comfortable with anything in kubuntu or any linux, yet, cause i've just swiched from windows....
[04:02] <Sastkryptlox> <--- newbie ;)
[04:02] <Sastkryptlox> is that language-pack-kde-ko the package name?
[04:02] <auturge> Yes.
[04:03] <Sastkryptlox> okay... thanks...
[04:03] <orion_fr_24> auturge: doesn t work
[04:03] <Sastkryptlox> i hope i won't screw up my system like the last time i tried to install something...
[04:03] <Sastkryptlox> orion_fr_24: Does it not?
[04:04] <claudiu> hey, how can I install a PPD printer driver file ?
[04:04] <auturge> I support the real question for you though is finding a Koream IME..
[04:04] <Sastkryptlox> How do i have to do it then?
[04:04] <auturge> He's talking aobut a different problem, Sast
[04:04] <orion_fr_24> Sastkryptlox: modprobe worked but not ifup
[04:04] <Sastkryptlox> okay
[04:04] <Sastkryptlox> ;)
[04:07] <Sastkryptlox> hmm... can't find it with apt-get
[04:07] <auturge> !info language-pack-ko
[04:07] <ubotu> language-pack-ko: (translation updates for language Korean), section translations, is optional. Version: 20051011 (breezy), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[04:08] <auturge> One minute.
[04:08] <Sastkryptlox> k
[04:09] <trulux> morning
[04:09] <Sastkryptlox> language-pack-ko-base - translations for language Korean
[04:09] <Sastkryptlox> language-pack-ko - translation updates for language Korean
[04:09] <Sastkryptlox> could find these :)
[04:10] <trulux> I just upgraded to dapper my k-ubuntu installation and it's certainly messed up
[04:10] <auturge> language-support-ko?
[04:10] <trulux> I managed to fix up the upgrade so packages get worked out, but some stuff keeps breaking
[04:10] <Sastkryptlox> moment
[04:10] <trulux> 2.6.15 kernel won't work
[04:10] <auturge> !info language-support-ko
[04:10] <ubotu> language-support-ko: (metapackage for Korean language support), section translations, is optional. Version: 20051010 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[04:10] <auturge> !info langauge-pack-kde-ko
[04:10] <trulux> and 2.6.12 reports nvidia errors , x11 even reports that there's no input device :)
[04:11] <Sastkryptlox> found the same two packages for language-support-ko
[04:11] <auturge> !info language-pack-kde-ko
[04:11] <ubotu> language-pack-kde-ko: (KDE translation updates for language Korean), section translations, is optional. Version: 20051011 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[04:11] <auturge> From what I can see, you need those two packages - language-support-ko and language-pack-kde-ko
[04:11] <auturge> Are you using apt-get or a GUI?
[04:11] <Sastkryptlox> apt-get
[04:12] <Sastkryptlox> but i wouldn't mind using the gui
[04:12] <trulux> do the dapper CDS work?
[04:12] <auturge> I don't have Breezy available but language-pack-kde-ko is in the Breezy packages database - you should be able to get it.
[04:12] <Sastkryptlox> .... if i knew how to ;)
[04:12] <auturge> Worked for me, trulux.
[04:12] <trulux> auturge: CDs?
[04:12] <auturge> Do you see Adept under the System menu, Sast?
[04:12] <auturge> Yep
[04:12] <trulux> auturge: ok, what ones? :)
[04:12] <trulux> I can't wait to burn it out and update :)
[04:13] <Sastkryptlox> nope... just kynaptic
[04:13] <auturge> But I have decrepit old hardware that Xorg has very solid support for
[04:13] <tecs> hi anyone knows of a autodetect printer for hp? cause my printer cant be configured using the printer wizard
[04:13] <auturge> Really? And you're on Breezy? huh
[04:13] <auturge> s/Breezy/Dapper/
[04:13] <auturge> I'm error-prone today.
[04:13] <auturge> No, you're not on Dapper.
[04:13] <auturge> trulux is on Dapper.
[04:14] <auturge> See? error-prone.
[04:14] <trulux> auturge: my card isn't really "new", it's nVIDIA driver powered and worked fine since Warty
[04:14] <auturge> That's plenty newer than my S3!
[04:14] <trulux> hah
[04:14] <trulux> bbl, lunch time
[04:15] <auturge> Anyway Sast - apt-get install language-pack-kde-ko is no go?
[04:15] <Sastkryptlox> can i mess anything up by just installing the packages with apt-get?
[04:15] <auturge> Extremely unlikely.
[04:15] <Sastkryptlox> i'll try
[04:15] <Sastkryptlox> one minute
[04:16] <Sastkryptlox> E: Couldn't find package language-pack-kde-ko
[04:16] <Sastkryptlox> that's what he sais
[04:17] <auturge> From the nothing-to-lose file, try apt-get update
[04:17] <auturge> then repeat
[04:17] <Sastkryptlox> i have updated just before
[04:17] <Sastkryptlox> :/
[04:17] <auturge> Sure, sure, YOU THINK YOU'RE PRETTY CLEVER
[04:17] <Sastkryptlox> you think i might try language-pack-ko?
[04:17] <Sastkryptlox> ?
[04:18] <auturge> OK, use the magic pastebin to show me your apt sources?
[04:18] <Sastkryptlox> what file are they in again... I forgot :(
[04:18] <Sastkryptlox> sorry
[04:18] <auturge>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <Sastkryptlox> thanks
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> # security updates (testing distrib)
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> deb http://ftp2.skynet.be/pub/ftp.blackdown.org/debian testing non-free
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> that's all...
[04:19] <auturge> heh, I think it's time to commend out Hoary :)
[04:19] <auturge> comment, even
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> okay... i put a # before the first one?
[04:19] <auturge> Yeah.
[04:19] <Sastkryptlox> k... the rest?
[04:20] <Sastkryptlox> i leave?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> Sastkryptlox: get rid of those debian lines...
[04:20] <auturge> That's everything? The whole file?
[04:20] <auturge> 'cause if it is you have a serious identity crisis.
[04:20] <thoreauputic> don't mix debian sources with ubuntu/kubuntu
[04:20] <Sastkryptlox> well... there's a lot of commented stuff in it, too
[04:20] <auturge> But that's everything uncommented?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> !sources
[04:20] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:20] <Sastkryptlox> wait
[04:20] <auturge> Click that second link there, Sast
[04:20] <auturge> 6047
[04:20] <Sastkryptlox> yep... that's all uncommented
[04:20] <thoreauputic> Sastkryptlox: you are in for a rough ride with that file
[04:21] <auturge> Yes you are. Big identity crisis.
[04:21] <Sastkryptlox> ;)
[04:21] <auturge> You don't ever want any debian.org lines in that file. You're asking for DEEP HURTING.
[04:21] <Sastkryptlox> okay
[04:21] <Sastkryptlox> that's good to know
[04:22] <auturge> Is it just me or is paste.ubuntu-nl.org unresponsive?
[04:22] <Sastkryptlox> as i said before: i'm a newbie ;)
[04:22] <auturge> Sure.
[04:22] <thoreauputic> Sastkryptlox: change it now before something breaks
[04:22] <Sastkryptlox> i will
[04:22] <Sastkryptlox> ^^
[04:22] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:22] <auturge> Here's the thing. Depending on what software updates you've done, you *may* have gotten your system into a very bad state, with mismatched components between Ubuntu and Debian.
[04:22] <Sastkryptlox> but yes, auturge, it doesn't respond to me either
[04:22] <auturge> I can't get to paste.ubuntu-nl.org .. anybody got a Breezy sources.list to send the nice man?
[04:23] <auturge> I'd send you mine, but I'm rather more bleeding edge than you'll possibly want.
[04:23] <Sastkryptlox> i haven't done any updates yet... just installed a few packages...
[04:23] <auturge> That's mostly good. You're unlikely to have broken things too badly.
[04:23] <Sastkryptlox> yeah.... i'd prefer a normal list ;)
[04:23] <auturge> Look at /etc/lsb-release - does it say you're running Hoary?
[04:23] <Sastkryptlox> one sec
[04:23] <auturge> Hoary Hedgehog?
[04:24] <Sastkryptlox> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[04:24] <Sastkryptlox> DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.04
[04:24] <Sastkryptlox> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hoary
[04:24] <Sastkryptlox> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release)"
[04:24] <auturge> Right.
[04:24] <Sastkryptlox> is that bad?
[04:24] <auturge> The current most recent Ubuntu release is Breezy. Hoary is the one before taht.
[04:24] <auturge> So you're a bit out of date.
[04:25] <auturge> What you can do is get a correct sources.list file for Breezy, put it on your system, then run a mega-update to upgrade everything to Breezy.
[04:25] <auturge> Then you'll be current, and correct too.
[04:25] <Sastkryptlox> oh... but i just installed it a year ago... does that mean i have top reinstall averything?
[04:25] <auturge> No.
[04:25] <thoreauputic> !breezy
[04:25] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[04:25] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[04:25] <Sastkryptlox> okay
[04:25] <Sastkryptlox> i'll look at that guide ;)
[04:25] <auturge> Hey, there you are. Your sources.list.
[04:26] <orion_fr_24> auturge: GUESS WHAT !!
[04:26] <orion_fr_24> auturge: You re the best
[04:26] <auturge> This is why you've been unable to find that Korean language support package: you were looking at the updates repository for the wrong operating system!
[04:26] <orion_fr_24> auturge: seriously its working perfectly
[04:26] <auturge> Did it get it done automatically, orion, or did you still do the ifup manually?
[04:26] <orion_fr_24> auturge: a bit slower to lad up durring boot
[04:26] <orion_fr_24> auturge: no full auto  !!
[04:26] <auturge> Excellent.
[04:27] <orion_fr_24> auturge: really thank you
[04:27] <auturge> Welcome.
[04:27] <orion_fr_24> auturge: but it takes like 20 sec to load up interface
[04:27] <orion_fr_24> auturge: daya think it s normal ?
[04:27] <auturge> Which interface?
[04:27] <orion_fr_24> auturge: wifi network interface
[04:28] <auturge> Oh. Hm. I don't know. I have a mobile phone that takes a little while to link up to the WLAN...
[04:28] <orion_fr_24> ok
[04:28] <orion_fr_24> doesn matter
[04:28] <orion_fr_24> it s perfect
[04:29] <Tainted-Time> I love you auturge.
[04:29] <orion_fr_24> WE ALL love auturge
[04:29] <Tainted-Time> We should.
[04:31] <Sastkryptlox> auturge: i can't answer you in the query, cause i'm not registered...
[04:31] <Sastkryptlox> thanks
[04:31] <Sastkryptlox> i'll try that.
[04:31] <Sastkryptlox> :)
[04:32] <Sastkryptlox> one thing:
[04:32] <auturge> Sast: ignore post-upgarde step 4. That one's not relevant for Kubuntu.
[04:32] <Sastkryptlox> that guide is for ubuntu... i suppose it works fpr kubuntu aswell? Cause... i dont wanna have gnome afterwards ;)
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Sastkryptlox: same sources
[04:32] <Sastkryptlox> okay
[04:32] <trulux> auturge: any guide on upgrading kubuntu breezy to dapper
[04:32] <thoreauputic> same distro
[04:33] <thoreauputic> different desktop
[04:33] <orion_fr_24> auturge: if you now someone good in proftpd configuration I need him also
[04:33] <auturge> trulux: update sources.list, dist-upgrade, have lunch, hope for the best!
[04:33] <Tainted-Time> Whats up with the weird names?
[04:33] <auturge> But you need to know that you may potentially run into problems that are non-trivial to fix.
[04:33] <Tainted-Time> Hoary, Breezy, Dapper
[04:33] <auturge> They're actually abbreviations. The proper names are Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger and Dapper Drake.
[04:34] <Tainted-Time> I know, but why are they named like that?
[04:34] <auturge> Because calling it "5.10" numbs the mind and deadens the soul.
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Tainted-Time: ask Mark Shuttleworth ;)
[04:34] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[04:34] <Tainted-Time> oooh, shuttles.
[04:34] <thoreauputic> !sbdfl
[04:34] <ubotu> No idea, thoreauputic
[04:34] <trulux> hah
[04:34] <Sastkryptlox> Dapper is after Breezy?
[04:34] <thoreauputic> hah
[04:34] <Sastkryptlox> what's Dapper?
[04:34] <Sastkryptlox> ^^
[04:35] <auturge> Hoary then Breezy then Dapper
[04:35] <thoreauputic> !sabdfl
[04:35] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:35] <Tainted-Time> auturge: The setup we picked will end up costing around $1000.
[04:35] <auturge> Dapper is the code name for the next version of Ubuntu, currently under development.
[04:35] <thoreauputic> ubotu doesn't know sabdfl...
[04:35] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:35] <Sastkryptlox> but you said breezy was the current version?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> ok ...ok
[04:35] <Tainted-Time> It is.
[04:35] <auturge> You could easily knock $100-$150 off the graphics card, and $150-$200 off the CPU.
[04:35] <Sastkryptlox> what is dapper then? ^^
[04:35] <auturge> Breezy is the current version, yes.
[04:35] <auturge> Dapper is the next version. It's not done yet.
[04:35] <Tainted-Time> The newest one, not stable.
[04:35] <Sastkryptlox> ah okay
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Sastkryptlox: dapper is the devel version
[04:35] <Sastkryptlox> i get it ;)
[04:36] <Tainted-Time> You better. :P
[04:36] <Sastkryptlox> heeh
[04:36] <Sastkryptlox> hehe
[04:36] <kkathman> thoreauputic: do you have any experience with Quanta+ ??
[04:37] <thoreauputic> kkathman: no, sorry :(
[04:37] <howcomes> Desktop cuz im bored: http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/2479/desktop2vy.png
[04:37] <kkathman> ok thanks :)
[04:37] <Tainted-Time> auturge: Is this still good enough? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103602
[04:38] <auturge> Oh yes, it's fine.
[04:38] <auturge> And remember - socket 939 is still pretty new, it'll be in use for some time to come, you'll be able to drop a faster CPU in down the road when the prices come down, if you want.
[04:39] <cryptom> hi, is someone using initng-0.5.2-1? i cant reboot and tty6 is garbled after startup
[04:40] <auturge> Well. I suppose at this point I should say *fairly* new.
[04:40] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[04:40] <cryptom> reboot seems to start (when switching to tty1 I see tons of stop requests), but the system does not power off, nor reboot
[04:45] <Tainted-Time> auturge: I turned it down to a $200 opteron instead of $300
[04:48] <auturge> When I'm buying, I try to find the "sweet spot" in terms of price/performance.
[04:48] <narma> hello, is there firefox into kubuntu ? I can't install it :(
[04:48] <Tainted-Time> Are you in KDE?
[04:48] <auturge> Then I wait until the relevant socket type has been end-of-lifed and buy the final, fastest CPU available when it's become cheap.
[04:48] <narma> 'apt-cache search firefox' give me => http://rafb.net/paste/results/sLlk1Y79.html
[04:49] <Tainted-Time> 'sudo apt-get install firefox'
[04:49] <auturge> !info firefox
[04:49] <ubotu> firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-0ubuntu20 (breezy), Packaged size: 8268 kB, Installed size: 23932 kB
[04:49] <narma> but apt-get doesn't know it :c\
[04:50] <auturge> Make sure your sources.list is correct.
[04:50] <narma> maybe it my sources.list....
[04:50] <auturge> Tainted: I've been constantly forcing myself to *not* buy a new computer for the last month. Must.. be.. responsible.. *clench teeth*
[04:51] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[04:51] <Tainted-Time> How old are you?
[04:51] <auturge> I'm old as the hills.
[04:52] <Tainted-Time> Hehe,you would be surprised at the age I am and how much I have made at my age.
[04:52] <auturge> I'm old enough that to answer that question I have to remember what year it is and do arithmetic.
[04:52] <auturge> I've made plenty. Had fun pissing it away, too!
[04:52] <Tainted-Time> But, I can't even have a job...legally.
[04:52] <dell500> i accidently installed the wrong icon theme, how do i remove it? i dont have the option of removing from the list though...
[04:53] <trulux> auturge: does the 2.6.15 kernel work for you?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> oops
[04:53] <auturge> Can't you just select the other theme you want without removing the wrong one?
[04:53] <auturge> Yes, trulux.
[04:53] <robotgeek> hey thoreauputic
[04:53] <auturge> Linux biaggi 2.6.15-13-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jan 19 17:12:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:54] <thoreauputic> hi robotgeek
[04:54] <trulux> auturge: hmm, well, I'm going to try a re-install. any pointer to dapper install CDs for kubuntu?
[04:54] <Tainted-Time> auturge: Im 13 and have made over 16 hundred.
[04:55] <robotgeek> trulux: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:55] <auturge> Try http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-3/
[04:55] <robotgeek> :)
[04:55] <trulux> auturge: danke
[04:56] <narma> here is my sources.list : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q1yqKL33.html
[04:56] <narma> but I can't install firefox :(
[04:56] <narma> is there something with it ?
[04:56] <trulux> auturge: let's hope for the best :)
[04:57] <robotgeek> narma: you don't have "main"
[04:58] <narma> ho yes ! :c\
[04:58] <auturge> on that first uncommented line, change multiverse to main
[04:58] <auturge> I suspect you changed main to multiverse there at some point to get a package you wanted
[04:58] <narma> so I can write : http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main  restricted universe multiverse
[04:59] <auturge> just uncomment the line farther down that gives universe multiverse
[04:59] <narma> or only http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main multiverse  ?
[04:59] <auturge> in fact..
[04:59] <robotgeek> deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[04:59] <robotgeek> just change line 5 to that :)
[04:59] <auturge> You'd be fine uncommenting all the entries in there, really.
[05:00] <auturge> Just so long as you make sure you get main!
[05:00] <robotgeek> :)
[05:00] <narma> ok thanks :)
[05:00] <muzzle> So I'm trying to play a DVD in Kubuntu. Should I use Kaffeine?
[05:00] <Tainted-Time> Im burning dapper right now auturge
[05:00] <muzzle> Or some other program? I probably need some codecs
[05:00] <robotgeek> muzzle: kaffeine-xine
[05:00] <robotgeek> muzzle, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:01] <Tainted-Time> You could use Nautilus.
[05:01] <auturge> Hiss! Evil!
[05:01] <Tainted-Time> ;P
[05:01] <muzzle> what is the difference between Kaffeine and Kaffeine-xine?
[05:01] <auturge> GNOME file manager on KDE desktop? Reprimand yourself for that most harshly.
[05:02] <Tainted-Time> Eh, Nautilus doesn't have a g in front of it so I don't see it as GNOME. ROFL.
[05:02] <auturge> Oh, look. AMD looks like starting to use Socket 1207 around Q2.
[05:02] <enfact> knautilus
[05:03] <Tainted-Time> What?
[05:03] <auturge> Whenever the "K" naming convention starts to irk me, I remind myself that it's not as annoying as Apple's i- prefix.
[05:03] <Tainted-Time> lol
[05:03] <thoreauputic> iagree
[05:03] <thoreauputic> ;)
[05:03] <Tainted-Time> ROFL.
[05:04] <auturge> Though some of these names are *staggeringly* strained.
[05:04] <Tainted-Time> Go
[05:04] <Tainted-Time> d.
[05:04] <thoreauputic> at least amarok puts it at the end ;)
[05:04] <Tainted-Time> Well, I'm off to delete my fucking harddrive and then install windows...and then dapper.
[05:05] <auturge> EAT AT JOE'S
[05:07] <tecs> how come some of the games i installed cant be located int he games menu. like dope wars for isntance
[05:08] <francisco> Hi everyone my name is frank and I am new to kubuntu.
[05:09] <muzzle> Kaffeine says I have to install some plugin to play dvd
[05:09] <muzzle> But I really don't know which ones.
[05:09] <dark_suic> muzzle, probably you'll have to install libdvdcss2 package to play dvds
[05:09] <muzzle> I did
[05:09] <francisco> I was trying to get some help on installing jdk1.5 I 've been having some un-expirience related issues
[05:09] <muzzle> or I installed libdvdread3
[05:10] <dark_suic> try both
[05:10] <muzzle> I can't find the 2
[05:10] <muzzle> only the 3
[05:10] <francisco> I read some ubuntu forums and the install guide from java but nothing seems to get the alteratives to point to a JDK1.5
[05:11] <francisco> any pointers you may help me with?
[05:11] <francisco> any links, docs?
[05:11] <thoreauputic> !java
[05:11] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[05:12] <thoreauputic> !javadebs
[05:12] <thoreauputic> the javadebs factoid is too long...
[05:12] <francisco> thanks !!! I'll do so
[05:12] <thoreauputic> !tell francisco about javadebs
[05:13] <francisco> what are the !javadebs ?
[05:13] <francisco> entering site...
[05:15] <francisco> EXCELENT everything seems to be here. THANKS ubotu
[05:21] <Tainted-Time> Hey
[05:21] <auturge> Didn't work, I take it.
[05:21] <Tainted-Time> Nope.
[05:21] <Tainted-Time> Said it was corrupted.
[05:22] <auturge> What said what was corrupted?
[05:22] <muzzle> How do I install my graphics driver?
[05:22] <muzzle> and where do I see what driver is installed?
[05:23] <Tainted-Time> Dapper - It went through about 10 steps, the language and stuff. Then, when it started to 'read components from the CD' it buggered out.
[05:23] <auturge> What graphics card do you have, muzzle?
[05:24] <muzzle> Radeon x600
[05:24] <Tainted-Time> Try to burn it again?
[05:24] <auturge> Buggered out how?
[05:24] <Tainted-Time> It didn't say much, it was something about the CD being corrupted.
[05:25] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: did you checksum the burnt cd?
[05:25] <Tainted-Time> Nope.
[05:25] <Aji-Dahaka> ah ... well then check the iso, and reburn and check the resultant cd
[05:25] <Tainted-Time> Never had to. How do I do it?
[05:25] <Aji-Dahaka> cat /dev/cdrom | md5sum
[05:25] <Aji-Dahaka> something like that
[05:25] <auturge> Also, Tainted
[05:25] <Aji-Dahaka> (not sure of the exact syntax)
[05:26] <auturge> I had a problem like that on one machine that was caused by a BIOS setting.
[05:26] <auturge> In my case, it was something like 'IDE prefetch' needing to be disabled.
[05:26] <Tainted-Time> Hmm
[05:27] <Tainted-Time> What is the checksum supposed to be?
[05:27] <Tainted-Time> 9d9699b2bea08bb36fcc3fd4db5e1653
[05:27] <robotgeek> !verify
[05:27] <ubotu> I heard verify is to check the integrity of your installation media, one way is to visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto
[05:27] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: the ftp servers usually have a md5 available on them
[05:27] <muzzle> Where can I see which driver is install for my graphics card?
[05:27] <muzzle> system settings?
[05:27] <Aji-Dahaka> or maybe robotgeek knows it ;)
[05:28] <auturge> muzzle, moment
[05:28] <robotgeek> muzzle: cli, lshw | less
[05:28] <muzzle> ok
[05:28] <Tainted-Time> 9d9699b2bea08bb36fcc3fd4db5e1653....its correct.
[05:28] <auturge> That won't actually show what graphics driver is in use..
[05:29] <Tainted-Time> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-3/MD5SUMS
[05:29] <auturge> muzzle
[05:29] <auturge> I need to disclaim this
[05:29] <auturge> There is very probably a better way than what I am about to describe
[05:29] <auturge> but this is what I can think of!
[05:30] <auturge> Look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:30] <auturge> Search for the string LoadModule - that will occur many times
[05:30] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: excellent
[05:30] <auturge> One of them will name the video driver that's being used
[05:30] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: that rules out a bad cd :)
[05:30] <Tainted-Time> No..
[05:30] <Tainted-Time> Hold on.
[05:30] <auturge> It will also say "X.Org Video Driver" a few lines below that, to help you tell whic hone
[05:30] <francisco> Hi me again, I don't seem to find the java-package
[05:30] <Tainted-Time> Aji-Dahaka: I was checking ISO, not the CD.
[05:31] <francisco> and it seems I needed to follow the install-guide
[05:31] <Aji-Dahaka> oh
[05:31] <Aji-Dahaka> and now for the cd :)
[05:31] <francisco> any tips on getting it?
[05:32] <Tainted-Time> My damn laptop HD needs to get here.
[05:32] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: mine just failed so I feel your pain
[05:33] <francisco> I found another thread on ubuntuforums where some guy didn't find it and went out and install the jdk1.5 through another way
[05:33] <Tainted-Time> Lol.
[05:33] <Tainted-Time> I got one for about $50.
[05:33] <Tainted-Time> Im not looking for a good one.
[05:33] <francisco> but it requires to install the RPM installer for linux and I don't know if that is such a grate IDEA >_>
[05:34] <auturge> Run fast from anything that says RPM.
[05:34] <Tainted-Time> Its barely shipped today....:*(
[05:34] <francisco> LOL
[05:34] <Tainted-Time> && anything with a g infront of it on KDE.
[05:34] <Tainted-Time> && vice versa.
[05:34] <auturge> !java
[05:34] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[05:35] <Tainted-Time> auturge: I'm learning fast. :D
[05:35] <auturge> !tell auturge about javadebs
[05:35] <Aji-Dahaka> 80GB lappy drive and it just died :(
[05:35] <Tainted-Time> Aji-Dahaka: It's taking forever on the CD.
[05:35] <Aji-Dahaka> have to wait until I get back to the States to get a new one
[05:36] <gsuveg> re
[05:36] <francisco> sorry ubotu it seems I didn't read as much x_x, what about that !javadebs
[05:36] <Tainted-Time> I only have 40gb, but then again...it is an HP Pavilionze4300.
[05:36] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: it'll take as long as your cd drive takes to read the whole thing
[05:36] <Tainted-Time> Goddamn HP to hell.
[05:36] <Tainted-Time> 9d9699b2bea08bb36fcc3fd4db5e1653
[05:36] <Tainted-Time> Its right too...
[05:37] <auturge> francisco, what did you try?
[05:37] <Aji-Dahaka> ah, then we do have a proper cd :)
[05:37] <Aji-Dahaka> and bock to the ide precaching problem maybe?
[05:37] <francisco> I am step by step https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:37] <Tainted-Time> Any other ideas before I have to reboot?
[05:37] <Tainted-Time> Lol
[05:38] <auturge> francisco, that page gives you a few different options to choose from. Which did you use?
[05:38] <francisco> one says to run a [sudo apt-get install fakeroot java-package java-common] 
[05:38] <francisco> but I get an error that says that it cannot find the java-package
[05:38] <robotgeek> francisco: the easiest was is to install javadebs
[05:39] <francisco> javadebs is a package?
[05:39] <thoreauputic> !info java-package
[05:39] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: if the cd is right and then the installer thingks it's wrong, it sounds like a read-error of some form...since it isn't happening in your real os, it could be something like precaching that the installer potentially can't handle
[05:39] <ubotu> java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 0.26 (breezy), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 308 kB
[05:39] <auturge> francisco...
[05:39] <thoreauputic> java-package is in multiverse...
[05:39] <reon> Why does my screensaver not work, something so simple ???
[05:39] <auturge> A few things
[05:39] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell francisco about javadebs
[05:39] <francisco> I know I think I allready have the multiverse repository, may be I don't...
[05:39] <auturge> The Sun Java instructions require you to manually download a file from the Sun Java site first - did you do that?
[05:40] <auturge> That's the second thing - make sure you have muiltiverse.
[05:40] <francisco> yes I did
[05:40] <auturge> Also, if you updated sources.list for multiverse you may need to run 'sudo apt-get update' to make it commit.
[05:40] <francisco> how can i make sure
[05:40] <francisco> ?
[05:41] <auturge> try the apt-get update, it cannot do harm.
[05:41] <francisco> I did but with the Adept
[05:41] <francisco> ok
[05:41] <francisco> doing it
[05:41] <auturge> If you do it from the Konsole command line, it will print a line of output for each repository - that's an easy way to see if you've got multiverse set up properly.
[05:41] <francisco> that sentence is so sad if it doesn't involve a girl x_x
[05:42] <auturge> Hit http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
[05:42] <auturge> Something like that
[05:42] <robotgeek> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep multiverse
[05:42] <auturge> gratuitous pipe alert!
[05:43] <trappist> auturge: :)
[05:43] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: you get the prize for redundant use of "cat" ;)
[05:43] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: :)
[05:43] <robotgeek> old habits die hard
[05:43] <thoreauputic> robotgeek:  grep multiverse /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:43] <robotgeek> i know , i know
[05:43] <thoreauputic> heheh :)
[05:44] <robotgeek> it's much cooler with the pipe :)
[05:44] <trappist> not really
[05:44] <thoreauputic> multiple pipes are even cooler looking ;-)
[05:45] <auturge> awk '/ multiverse/ ' < /etc/apt/sources.list | cat
[05:45] <thoreauputic> ... but usually not needed either
[05:45] <robotgeek> heh
[05:45] <francisco> Ok I don't seem to have the multiverse repository
[05:47] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell francisco about easysource
[05:47] <Tainted-Tim1> I dont have a BIOS setting like that.
[05:47] <Tainted-Tim1> and the CD says the MD5 checksum test failed..
[05:47] <francisco> deb http://ar.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:47] <francisco> deb-src http://ar.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:48] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Tim1: isn't that weird?  seems like the installer is having read troubles ...
[05:48] <thoreauputic> francisco: those are just the backports
[05:48] <TT-Downloading-A> Lol
[05:48] <francisco> ok
[05:49] <auturge> dd if=/etc/apt/sources.list | sort | uniq | sed '/ multiverse/p' | sort | uniq -d | cat - > /dev/tty
[05:49] <auturge> Go on, top THAT
[05:49] <Tainted-Downing> There.
[05:49] <Tainted-Downing> Lol.
[05:49] <Tainted-Downing> Im downloading it again, to see what happens.
[05:49] <francisco> LOL
[05:49] <francisco> how do I get the multiverse repository o a multiverse repository?
[05:50] <trappist> auturge: I don't think that's toppable
[05:50] <thoreauputic> auturge: you get geek points - provided the geeks looking don't know how redundant that lot is ;-)
[05:50] <auturge> No, no, I need to work perl into it somehow.
[05:50] <auturge> !sources
[05:50] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[05:50] <francisco> ok
[05:51] <auturge> still unreachable
[05:51] <francisco> going and reading
[05:51] <auturge> What's uboto's upgrading to Breezy keyword?
[05:51] <laga> !breezy
[05:51] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[05:51] <auturge> francisco, there is a full sources.list file you can use on that page.
[05:54] <francisco> excelent thanks, I'll read that and will make an effort to ask as little dumb questions as possible... _ @ me
[05:54] <auturge> You don't need to *actually* upgrade to Breezy (presumably) like that page instructs.. you just want the sources.list
[05:55] <Tainted-Downing> Does anyone have any ideas on what is causing it?
[05:55] <auturge> Install it, do an apt update and then you should be able to see java-packages.
[05:55] <auturge> er, java-package
[05:55] <auturge> Sounds like a bad burn?
[05:55] <Tainted-Downing> Maybe...
[05:55] <Tainted-Downing> Im downloading it right now, and then I'm going to burn it for the  2nd time.
[05:58] <Tainted-Downing> Can anyone recommend a good file-sharing program on Kubuntu?
[05:58] <Tainted-Downing> I hate Frostwire.
[05:58] <Tainted-Downing> Its shitty.
[06:01] <Tainted-Downing> Anyone..?
[06:01] <ccc_> Tainted-Downing: linuxdc++ for direct connect, azureus for bittorrent
[06:01] <Tainted-Downing> direct connect?
[06:02] <ccc_> yes
[06:02] <Tainted-Downing> Elaborate on what that is?
[06:02] <robotgeek> Tainted-Downing: use gtk-gnutella instead
[06:03] <auturge> eurgh, gnutella isn't dead yet?
[06:03] <ccc_> Tainted-Downing: a well known file sharing protocol
[06:03] <ccc_> anyone use mouse gestures for konqueror?
[06:04] <Aji-Dahaka> ccc_: sometimes
[06:04] <Aji-Dahaka> ccc_: not no my laptop, though
[06:04] <ccc_> when i middle mouse button click (to do a gesture) konqueror suggests to search the web for what's in my clipboard. i haven't found where to disable that
[06:04] <Aji-Dahaka> ccc_: oh, you'd have to disable mouse-pasting in X ... why not right-click for gestures?
[06:05] <Aji-Dahaka> (context menus are controlled by kde instead of X)
[06:05] <ccc_> Aji-Dahaka: how do i set which mouse button to use?
[06:05] <robotgeek> auturge: limewire uses gnutella
[06:05] <robotgeek> so does bearshare, frostwire and several others
[06:06] <Aji-Dahaka> ccc_: it's in the "configure hotkeys settings" dialogue the tab that says "gesture settings"
[06:06] <knubbe> can they reach one another?
[06:06] <Tainted-Downing> Is there a way to make an irc client in konsole?
[06:06] <Tainted-Downing> I want it to be in kosole...lol.
[06:06] <Tainted-Downing> konsole**
[06:06] <auturge> There are many.
[06:06] <auturge> I'd suggest irssi.
[06:07] <auturge> Which is very probably in multiverse.
[06:07] <auturge> !info irssi
[06:07] <Aji-Dahaka> irssi is where it's at
[06:07] <auturge> Or not?
[06:07] <robotgeek> irssi is already installed by default :)
[06:07] <auturge> !irssi snapshot
[06:07] <ubotu> auturge: Bugger all, i dunno
[06:07] <auturge> er
[06:07] <auturge> !info irssi-snapshot
[06:07] <ubotu> irssi-snapshot: (The irssi IRC client (Development version)), section universe/net, is extra. Version: 0.8.6+cvs.20031114-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 775 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB
[06:07] <robotgeek> !info irssi-text
[06:07] <ubotu> irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9+0.8.10rc5-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 831 kB, Installed size: 3124 kB
[06:07] <Tainted-Downing> awesome
[06:07] <Aji-Dahaka> ooh, fancy
[06:08] <auturge> Oh, that's it.
[06:08] <Tainted-Downing> how do I use it/
[06:08] <Tainted-Downing> lol
[06:08] <auturge> Install it, type /irssi
[06:08] <auturge> flail about for a while
[06:08] <auturge> find the help files
[06:08] <auturge> connect
[06:08] <auturge> chat
[06:08] <robotgeek> lol
[06:08] <ccc_> Aji-Dahaka: ah, thanks :)
[06:08] <Aji-Dahaka> ccc_: anytime
[06:09] <auturge> Pretty much the best text-mode IRC client around.
[06:09] <auturge> If you swing that way.
[06:09] <Tainted-Time> I love it.
[06:09] <Tainted-Time> Because I have yakuake.
[06:09] <trappist> irssi + bitlbee + screen == chat nirvana
[06:09] <Tainted-Time> I press F12 and then view it...
[06:09] <trappist> yakuake is nice
[06:09] <Xemanth^^> i can recommend to use nicklist plugin with irssi
[06:09] <Tainted-Time> Yeah
[06:10] <redondos> Hello. I am running xorg with 2 screens, one is for the tv output of my videocard. Is it  possible to avoid running kicker in this secondary display? (I am not using twinview)
[06:10] <Tainted-Downing> Where can I get it?
[06:10] <redondos> Tainted-Downing: irssi.org/plugins
[06:10] <redondos> no, /scripts
[06:12] <Aji-Dahaka> nicklist script is the sweet :)
[06:12] <ccc_> yakuake is so useful it should be default on every kde system :)
[06:12] <Aji-Dahaka> trappist: irssi, yakuake, bitlbee, screen, and nicklist :)
[06:12] <Aji-Dahaka> it's the little thinks ;)
[06:13] <Aji-Dahaka> bitlbee is the only reason I moved to using nicklist
[06:13] <Tainted-Time> Eh ok...
[06:13] <Tainted-Time> I loaded the script..
[06:13] <redondos> I wish there was a bitlbee-to-IMclients gateway
[06:13] <Aji-Dahaka> huh?
[06:14] <trappist> yeah, huh?
[06:14] <Tainted-Time> Nothing..
[06:14] <Aji-Dahaka> Tainted-Time: are you in screen?  if so, /nicklist screen
[06:14] <Aji-Dahaka> the huh? was at redondos
[06:15] <trappist> err... you know
[06:15] <Aji-Dahaka> it's funny, I show people screenshots sometimes and always happen to have irssi open
[06:15] <Xemanth^^> Aji-Dahaka: :))
[06:15] <Tainted-Time> eh
[06:15] <Tainted-Time> brb
[06:15] <Aji-Dahaka> they ignore the cool thing about the  screenshot and are like "a nicklisst on irssi"
[06:16] <Aji-Dahaka> I have like a translucent viz running over my window which looks super cool and they are like "ooh, where'd you get a nicklist for irssi?" :p
[06:16] <infiniti> How do I use the scripts?
[06:16] <Aji-Dahaka> /help scripts
[06:16] <infiniti> This is tainted.
[06:16] <Aji-Dahaka> usually /scriptname help works
[06:17] <infiniti> None of those are working...
[06:17] <Aji-Dahaka> infiniti: which script?
[06:17] <Aji-Dahaka> did you load it like /script load <name of script> ?
[06:17] <infiniti> Yeah.
[06:17] <Aji-Dahaka> did it work?
[06:17] <infiniti> Nickcolor, Nicklist, and some others
[06:17] <infiniti> Nothing happened when I did it.
[06:18] <trappist> /nicklist screen is not doing what I expected
[06:18] <Aji-Dahaka> for me it does ... jas I'll grab a screenshot
[06:18] <infiniti> Its not doing anything...
[06:18] <Aji-Dahaka> huh, that's weird
[06:19] <Aji-Dahaka> http://cerberus.cs.und.edu/screenshot/blah11?full=1
[06:19] <Aji-Dahaka> that :)
[06:19] <trappist> my screen flickers every few seconds, but I get no new screen
[06:19] <Tainted-Downing> Tell me if the movie is good.
[06:19] <Aji-Dahaka> (note the conversation near the bottom of the screen ...)
[06:20] <maverick> hi all
[06:21] <infiniti> Help me..
[06:21] <infiniti> Lol
[06:21] <infiniti> My scripts don't work!
[06:21] <maverick> just came on say thanks for those who helped me with.... install :D
[06:21] <maverick> iam on kubuntu
[06:23] <infiniti_> /home/infiniti/.irssi
[06:23] <infiniti_> I am supposed to put all my scripts in that dir, am I corrent?
[06:23] <infiniti_> currect*
[06:23] <infiniti_> DAMNIT
[06:23] <infiniti_> Correct
[06:23] <Aji-Dahaka> maybe a scripts subdirectory in there
[06:23] <Aji-Dahaka> I think ...
[06:23] <sampan> yep ... ~/.irssi/scripts
[06:23] <VincentMX> :D
[06:23] <infiniti_> I tried making a dir...
[06:23] <infiniti_> It didn't work.
[06:24] <infiniti_> It said there was already one.
[06:24] <sampan> and any you want to start when irssi starts put in: ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/
[06:24] <infiniti_> There is no scripts part.
[06:26] <feistel> hi
[06:26] <feistel> I need help
[06:26] <feistel> how I can mount a CD-ROM without lock the driver?
[06:30] <auturge> You mean, the drive?
[06:31] <feistel> auturge: yes
[06:31] <feistel> I need eject a CD-ROM without umount
[06:32] <trappist> nicklist is almost really cool, but hella buggy here.  /unloading.
[06:33] <francisco> DONE. Thanks!!! I have successfuly installed jdk1.5
[06:33] <sampan> trappist  yeah, i unloaded it too.  it seemed to mess up the regular channel display with alarming frequency.  i was having to do /redraw a lot with it on.  :/
[06:33] <auturge> I would suspect you can't.
[06:33] <francisco> ^_^
[06:34] <trappist> sampan: yeah.  aparently nested screens are supposed to help, but no thanks.
[06:34] <mattia9000> hi ^^
[06:34] <trappist> *apparently
[06:35] <mattia9000> some one can help me? i have a problem with the installation of firefox in kubuntu 5.10
[06:35] <sampan> trappist  yep.  :/  such is life...from my GUI days i used to think i couldn't live without a nicklist.  now i know better as i've had to ajust (not gonna go back to gui just for that) ;)
[06:48] <nikita> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no
[06:48] <nikita> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.
[06:48] <nikita> hello =) when I try to execute ./configure to install a program, i get that error for the gcc compiler: "error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables." can anyone help me?
[06:49] <nikita> oops =)
[06:49] <sampan> nikita  install the "build-essential" package
[06:50] <nikita> sampan: it works =)) thanks a lot
[06:50] <sampan> np :)
[06:56] <kaenat> Is there an ubuntu package to install Sun's Java?
[06:56] <trappist> !javadebs
[06:57] <trappist> err
[06:57] <trappist> !tell kaenat about javadebs
[06:57] <jjesse> man i had forgot how slow and long an install of xp service pack 2 is :(  using vmplayer on kubunt
[06:57] <kaenat> trappist: thanks :)
[06:58] <auturge> kaenat - Sun have a legal requirement that you agree to their T&C before you can download Java
[06:58] <auturge> So it's impossible to make their Java package part of a standard Ubuntu package - you have to download it yourself, manually
[06:58] <auturge> Then there are Ubuntu packages that will automate the installation for you.
[06:58] <auturge> Alternately, there are unofficial packages that install a third-party JVM
[06:58] <kaenat> auturge: I understand :)
[06:59] <kaenat> about having to d/l sun's jave first.
[06:59] <cjnodell> Hi, I have a quick question...
[06:59] <kaenat> I was hoping that there would be a way to have it package managed after I click thru their license.
[07:00] <cjnodell> Dose someone know how to change the splash screen k/ubuntu shows during start up? the one that shows when all the modules are loaded and when the clock is syncronized...
[07:00] <auturge> kaenat - see the page ubotu told you about
[07:01] <Infiniti> Hey
[07:01] <auturge> It has instructions on what to do after downloading the Sun JVm.
[07:01] <Infiniti> Dapper still isnt working damnit.
[07:01] <auturge> short answer, it is package managed.
[07:01] <kaenat> auturge: yeah, I'm lookin at it.
[07:01] <Infiniti> I redownloaded and reburned
[07:01] <auturge> Did the burning app do a verify after burning?
[07:01] <Infiniti> Yeah.
[07:01] <auturge> I blame HP.
[07:02] <Infiniti> Fucking HP.
[07:02] <Infiniti> Lol
[07:02] <Infiniti> Well, do you have any ideas?
[07:02] <auturge> I got nothing.
[07:02] <Infiniti> I got so addicted to the shell like thing that I downloaded 0irc for windows.
[07:02] <Infiniti> konsole type irc.
[07:03] <Infiniti> It makes me feel 3l173
[07:04] <Infiniti> This is starting to piss me off.
[07:04] <Infiniti> Is it that build of Dapper?
[07:04] <trappist> I have a hard time feeling leet in windows
[07:04] <Infiniti> I do too.
[07:04] <Infiniti> But its as close as I can get.
[07:05] <Infiniti> No one can help me?
[07:05] <auturge> Install Breezy.
[07:06] <auturge> It's easy enough to upgrade that to Dapper, and it worked for you before.
[07:06] <Infiniti> Would it be dapper dapper?
[07:06] <Infiniti> not breezy with dapper?
[07:06] <jjesse> replace breezy w/ dapper in your sources list
[07:07] <jjesse> a search and replace is what i did so it did it all at once :)
[07:07] <auturge> What jjesse said. Install breezy, update sources list for dapper, dist-upgrade
[07:07] <Infiniti> sniff sniff ok.
[07:07] <jjesse> auturge: make sure you do an apt-get update to reload your sources
[07:08] <knubbe> how to i turn off all "event sounds" in KDE?
[07:09] <Mitja> Is there a command to find out the version of linux, particularly kubuntu?
[07:09] <auturge> cat /etc/lsb-release for Ubuntu
[07:10] <auturge> For Linux kernel only, uname -a
[07:10] <Mitja> 10x
[07:16] <auturge> Is there a KDE expert in the house?
[07:16] <_jr> auturge: hello
[07:17] <auturge> Evening.
[07:17] <auturge> I have been hunting high and low for a solution to the single most annoying thing about KDE.
[07:18] <auturge> I have Konversation (or Kontact, or whatever) and Konqueror open on the same desktop. I click a link in Konversation. It opens in Konqueror. No problem.
[07:18] <auturge> But if Konversation and Konqueror are on different desktops, the link does *not* open in the existing Konqueror. It opens a new Konqueror on the Konversation desktop.
[07:18] <auturge> Hate. Hate.
[07:18] <Riddelll> curious
[07:18] <Riddelll> not sure how to fix, and in dapper external links always open a new konqueror
[07:19] <auturge> Right. Someone needs to be fixing that--
[07:20] <Tritis> auturge: What you describe seems like a feature.
[07:21] <auturge> No, no, it's awful.
[07:21] <auturge> It seems to me like a basic failure to communicate.
[07:22] <auturge> Riddell...
[07:22] <auturge> In Dapper, it does not open in a new window is (1) Konqueror is on your active desktop and (2) you have enabled the "open as tab in existing Konqueror when URL is called externally" link in Konqueror
[07:23] <auturge> Basically, if they're on the same desktop it works absolutely perfectly, according to the configuration value.
[07:23] <kkathman> auturge:  interestingly enough, if you use Firefox or Opera as your standard, it DOES open the existing instance on whatever desktop its located
[07:23] <auturge> But if Konqueror is on a different desktop, that communication link is broken
[07:23] <auturge> s/new window is/new window if/
[07:23] <kkathman> so I'd say thats a Konqueror issue, not a kubuntu one, per se
[07:24] <auturge> s/link in Konqueror/option in Konqueror/ damn, I used ot know how to type
[07:24] <auturge> Oh, I'm sure it's not a Kubuntu issue per se.
[07:24] <auturge> I did ask for a "KDE expert" :)
[07:24] <auturge> I just want to know if it's some horrifying obscure configuration flag I've missed, or a fundamental problem in KDE.
[07:24] <kkathman> have you logged this as a bug for Konqui?
[07:26] <C-O-L-T> edubuntu it's the same like ubuntu just with educational packages?
[07:27] <auturge> No, I haven't. Like I say, I don't know that it *is* a bug yet. I was hoping someone with a great deal more than my minimal KDE knowledge could shed some light.
[07:28] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: http://www.edubuntu.org/
[07:29] <maverick> hi all
[07:29] <PupenoL> What vnc client can run on linux kubuntu and connect to a windows xp running realvnc ?
[07:30] <enfact> the standard one thats box installed
[07:30] <enfact> :)
[07:31] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: it's the same like ubuntu just with educational packages
[07:31] <enfact> remote desktop connection i think its labeled
[07:31] <maverick> hmm anyopne here help me? i installed kubuntu and it dmaged my windows install i had previously?....i tried repairing it but it asked for admin password but i didnt create password for it?
[07:31] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  you might go to that link and read...you'll find out alot :)
[07:32] <maverick> iam checking site now
[07:32] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I have read it and it seems to me that they are the same
[07:33] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: it's like kubuntu - ubuntu thing, they are the same just with different gui's
[07:33] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: well, obviously they (ubuntu and edubuntu) are not the same
[07:33] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: what's the major difference? educational packages?
[07:33] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  you can always install it and check it out :)
[07:33] <josesito> help, (still) need to configure speedtouch usb modem..someone please?
[07:34] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  the screenshots and the detail will tell you exactly what you need to know :)
[07:34] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: it's not kde :)
[07:35] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: it's gnome
[07:35] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: anyway I tried first kde but now I obiously prefer gnome
[07:35] <kkathman> ok
[07:36] <kkathman> not sure why you are here in #kubuntu then...but ok :)
[07:36] <kkathman> lol
[07:36] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I like #kubuntu for it's community
[07:36] <auturge> Surely, you mean kommunity.
[07:37] <PupenoL> enfact: it doesn't work. we get a message "The connection to the host has been interrupted.".
[07:37] <Riddelll> ** test new konversion http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/konversation_0.19-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:37] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: we use the same distro because of different gui's I don't think I should not join to this channel
[07:37] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I like this channel because you are so friendly here not so rude like sometimes at #ubuntu
[07:37] <jjesse> Riddelll: have too many l's in your name?
[07:37] <auturge> The rude people are on #ubuntu? I'm in the wrong place.
[07:38] <maverick> lol
[07:38] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  thats fine.. there arent many differences, unless you are asking how to configure gnome for instance, then you are better served in #ubuntu
[07:39] <kkathman> auturge:  you like rude?? lol
[07:39] <ClayG> anyone here have a  reverseable IP from their ISP? If so how did you explain to them what you want?
[07:39] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I know I don't ask things here which refer to gnome. Actually I like gnome because it is simpler than kde for me
[07:40] <auturge> I take it you mean you have a static IP address and want your ISP to enter a reverse name mapping for you.
[07:40] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: perfectly understandable. For me, KDE was more powerful and more configurable, but that scares alot of the inexperienced people away I think, hence why ubuntu ships with gnome.
[07:40] <auturge> I prefer KDE because it's more.. complete.
[07:40] <maverick> iam on kde?
[07:40] <kkathman> auturge:  agreed wholeheartedly
[07:40] <auturge> I have this pathological hatred of mixing toolkits, and KDE gives me a more complete unified environment.
[07:40] <maverick> u saying i shuld get gnome?
[07:40] <kkathman> maverick: nope...its a personal preferance
[07:40] <maverick> oh
[07:41] <maverick> i like kde just got it seems ok
[07:41] <maverick> seems clean
[07:41] <kkathman> its wonderful, and easy to configure and use
[07:41] <auturge> Also, KDE doesn't have "GNU" in its name.
[07:41] <maverick> whats that mean?
[07:41] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I thought at first that KDE is very user friendly, but it's not for me, cause it contains a lot of options, settings, you can customize everything in it, in some point of view this is a good thing but in some not
[07:41] <auturge> What's which mean?
[07:41] <auturge> Just because you can customise it doesn't mean you *must* customise it.
[07:41] <maverick> gnu
[07:41] <Mooby> what for a distrib shit!
[07:41] <auturge> Oh. GNU is .. a religion. Which I don't follow.
[07:42] <Tobsy> Hi all
[07:42] <maverick> lol
[07:42] <maverick> i googled it  :P
[07:42] <Mooby> this system is unable to work with kde when /home is nfs mounted
[07:42] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  understand. Some people dont like the bother. However, l enjoy the range of things and being able to tweak as detailed as I like.
[07:42] <Tobsy> I have a question, is kubuntu good for host IRCds, Eggdrops and co?
[07:42] <auturge> Technically, GNU is supposedly the name of an operating system - which actually doesn't exist - but it's also the name of a project that espouses a very particular ideological view of open source.
[07:42] <maverick> like?
[07:42] <maverick> cgywin?
[07:43] <kkathman> GNU o/s ???
[07:43] <kkathman> hehe
[07:43] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: yes some people like some not. Everybody has it's own choice for it's own taste, and that's a good thing at Linux you have two interfaces and a lot of things. I like it
[07:43] <auturge> The GNU ideology is that all software *must* be free, and that software developers should be "helped" along towards that goal.
[07:43] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  agreed.
[07:43] <maverick> isnt that wat linux is?
[07:43] <auturge> And let's just not get into the what-exactly-does-free-mean thing.
[07:44] <kkathman> auturge: thats predominately true, if you are a developer and subscribe to that philosophy, GNU is a very good thing.
[07:44] <kkathman> maverick: not necessarily
[07:44] <auturge> I just have problems with forcing and ideology down other peoples' throats, which.. no, this is getting too religious.
[07:45] <marian> hi how are you?
[07:45] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: Ok I have to leave now. Because I am having a big term paper at school :( from romanian! I am a hungarian so learning romanian is not so exciting. So bye for now
[07:45] <kkathman> auturge: I tend to agree with you... Linux is about choices...and I make mine, but dont want to be mandated.
[07:45] <auturge> To stay on topic and directly answer the question: the GNU people - generally speaking - tend to be on the more extreme side of the free software movement. I think that's a fair statement.
[07:45] <marian> is anyone here who can tell me how I can install and USE the ICQ package
[07:45] <marian> ?
[07:46] <maverick> oky
[07:46] <maverick> cheers
[07:46] <kkathman> auturge: its accurate to say that, yes
[07:46] <kkathman> marian:  you should have Kopete if you installed Kubuntu
[07:46] <auturge> I personally prefer something like the BSD license, which basically says: this software is free, you can do anything you want with it as long as you acknowledge where it came from.
[07:47] <auturge> While the GNU license is more like: this software is free, but if you use it anything you do with it must also be free.
[07:47] <marian> kkathman: where can i find that?
[07:47] <kkathman> marian:  try looking in your K-menu, under Internet
[07:47] <marian> kkathman: yes i have it
[07:47] <kkathman> marian...just run that, and go through the various client setups if you have them..one of those is AIM/ICQ
[07:48] <kkathman> auturge:  I am a realist, not an idealist, so that should tell you my views on GNU/OSS
[07:48] <marian> ok thanks... I try
[07:48] <kkathman> I think OSS is a great thing, but I also believe that commerical software has a very important place also.
[07:48] <auturge> kkathman - I'm not entirely immune to ideology, but "would be nice" gets trumped by "a programmer's got ot eat"
[07:49] <marian> I seems to be very easy... thanks to you kkathman! Good Bye
[07:49] <kkathman> enjoy marian :)
[07:49] <marian> you too ;)
[07:50] <kkathman> auturge: its a big bigger than that....there is a world economy that an O/S must play on... OSS extremists tend to forget this :)
[07:50] <kkathman> thats not to say I disagree with everything in the philosophy tho
[07:50] <csati> hali
[07:50] <auturge> In a similar vein, I pay for all my music. Because I want people who make things I like to get paid, so they make me more.
[07:51] <kkathman> auturge:  I do also. which on a similar scale, auturge reflects the world economic rules
[07:55] <Herve> Hy
[07:56] <Herve> every body
[07:56] <Herve> he ho*
[08:01] <Skrot> Can I disable the beeping noise in konsole?
[08:02] <maverick> anyonr knoe how i can access my windows parition from here?
[08:02] <maverick> i tried media:/
[08:02] <maverick> but it only showed one partition
[08:02] <apokryphos> Skrot: yes, Settings > Bell
[08:02] <Skrot> oh
[08:02] <Skrot> thanks :)
[08:03] <dan_> please join #abcxyz
[08:03] <Riddell> dan_: why?
[08:03] <maverick> ?
[08:03] <dan_> Riddell: its a cool channel
[08:04] <laga> dan_: please spam elsewhere
[08:04] <apokryphos> dan_: please stop spamming
[08:04] <dan_> im not spamming
[08:04] <apokryphos> you are
[08:04] <dan_> no im not
[08:04] <dan_> join #abcxyz
[08:04] <dan_> it;;s my channel
[08:05] <Riddell> requested? :)
[08:05] <kkathman> ?
[08:05] <kkathman> hmm
[08:05] <laga> wow. that's an euphemism for 'kick' ;)
[08:05] <apokryphos> Riddell: automatic message from kvirc, yeah.
[08:06] <apokryphos> might as well change that
[08:08] <JohnFlux> Riddell: hey
[08:08] <Riddell> hi JohnFlux
[08:08] <JohnFlux> Riddell: we have finally released 0.19 konversation
[08:08] <JohnFlux> Riddell: is it too late
[08:09] <apokryphos> deb in topic!
[08:09] <JohnFlux> lol cool
[08:09] <apokryphos> =)
[08:09] <Riddell> JohnFlux: I need people to test it and tell me it works, then I'll ask for being allowed to upload
[08:10] <Riddell> but nobody has tested yet :(
[08:10] <JohnFlux> Riddell: does it require dapper?
[08:10] <Riddell> JohnFlux: yes
[08:11] <JohnFlux> Riddell: hmm I don't have :?
[08:14] <maverick> wats it do?
[08:14] <maverick> john
[08:16] <Riddell> maverick: it's an IRC client
[08:16] <maverick> oh
[08:16] <maverick> anyhitng special abotu it?
[08:19] <apokryphos> maverick: it's very nice 8). The most popular client on KDE.
[08:19] <buff> what's for using better x-chat or konversation ?
[08:20] <Xemanth^^> buff: kvirc
[08:20] <ccc_> buff: depends what you prefer. xchat is gtk and konversation is kde
[08:20] <Xemanth^^> kvirc is qt based
[08:21] <buff> xchat could be used on kde too
[08:21] <ccc_> of course
[08:24] <visik7> I've a problem with zeroconf (I know that I can disable it ) it set me an erroneous ip on the eth0 ok for a wifi card but eth0 isn't wifi why it set me an ip
[08:24] <apokryphos> Xemanth^^: and KDE-based, on the default build (in UNIX) =)
[08:25] <apokryphos> re: konversation vs. xchat. Konversation is much better usability-wise -- it's quite simple. Xchat has some features (with regarding to OPing, for example) that konversation lacks.
[08:25] <apokryphos> again, however, konversation integration is quite a plus for a lot of kde users.
[08:26] <Xemanth^^> apokryphos: yop =)
[08:28] <maverick> cool ill try it
[08:28] <apokryphos> maverick: are you on dapper?
[08:28] <maverick> dnt know wat that is mate iam 100% noob
[08:28] <maverick> jsut got kubuntu
[08:28] <Tainted-Tim> Hey
[08:28] <maverick> and windows broken :(
[08:28] <Tainted-Tim> Damnit.
[08:29] <Tainted-Tim> It still isn't working.
[08:29] <Tainted-Tim> God damn HP.;
[08:31] <apokryphos> maverick: what does   cat /etc/issue   ..give you?
[08:31] <maverick> hold on ill check
[08:32] <Riddell> apokryphos: lsb_release -c
[08:32] <apokryphos> Riddell: either will work, no?
[08:32] <Riddell> should do, lsb is more correct
[08:33] <Riddell> in that it's cross distro
[08:33] <maverick> nope
[08:33] <apokryphos> maverick: what's the output of it?
[08:33] <maverick> nothing
[08:33] <maverick> were do i type?
[08:34] <maverick> in konquwer?
[08:34] <apokryphos> maverick: in a terminal. Type alt+f2 -> konsole
[08:40] <maverick> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger
[08:40] <maverick> it gave me dat
[08:40] <maverick> apok
[08:40] <apokryphos> yes, you have breezy (not dapper)
[08:43] <hDp`> <<<<< merc.fr dispo
[08:50] <francisco> Hi again, amazingly stupid question (I think). I cannot see the Games, Development, Edutainment Submanus in the KMENU
[08:50] <francisco> What can I do?
[08:51] <francisco> I found the edit kmenu but I don't seem to find any options as to show or hide such or such menus
[08:51] <francisco> anyone?
[08:54] <maverick> dpper better then breezy?
[08:55] <noll> I upgraded my ubuntu to kubuntu a while ago. Is there a way of getting rid of all the gnome stuff?
[08:56] <josesito> can someone help me? i'm getting a "modem_run error 235" when trying to connect...please!
[08:59] <francisco> Hi again, amazingly stupid question (I think). I cannot see the Games, Development, Edutainment Submenus in the KMENU. What can I do to see them??
[09:00] <lilalinux> hey guys
[09:00] <lilalinux> konnectorpair.h is missing in kubuntu
[09:02] <josesito> please...
[09:02] <josesito> help me
[09:03] <francisco> Hi again, amazingly stupid question (I think). I cannot see the Games, Development, Edutainment Submenus in the KMENU. What can I do to see them??
[09:07] <kozz> is it possible to see the changelog for packages from the commandline with apt-get, like in update manager?
[09:14] <ClayG> anyone know of a good kernel recompilation hotwo?
[09:19] <owner> i do clay
[09:21] <ClayG> cool
[09:21] <ClayG> where?
[09:28] <seashell11> is there any way to get the kubuntu logo off the right side of the K Menu? and put a kde logo or something there?
[09:30] <owner> clayg http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=84174&highlight=vanilla+kernel
[09:31] <Outlook> Owner, After  It has finished in terminal Do i have to modify any of the files to get it to work ?
[09:32] <owner> are you talking about installing kde outlook?
[09:32] <Outlook> Yes
[09:32] <owner> it will ask you if you want to replace gdm with kdm
[09:32] <owner> probably good idea to chose kdm
[09:32] <Outlook> ok
[09:33] <Scott--> good afternoon all
[09:34] <Aaden> anyone around to answer a very serious question.
[09:35] <seashell11> !helpme
[09:35] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[09:35] <Aaden> heh
[09:35] <Aaden> well i just delted my kubuntu parttions and i forgot to take grub out of my mbr
[09:35] <Aaden> and now i cant boot into my main windows partition
[09:35] <Aaden> :(
[09:36] <Aaden> is there any way i can reach my mbr and take it out or do i have to reformat
[09:36] <owner> aaden, use mbrfix
[09:37] <Aaden> how?
[09:37] <owner> you have to have a windows boot disk or cd
[09:37] <Aaden> yea i have my winxp cd next to me
[09:37] <owner> http://www.ambience.sk/experiments/MbrFix.exe
[09:37] <owner> or you can just type fixmbr in the windows recovery console
[09:38] <Aaden> i access this console from booting the cd right.?
[09:39] <Aaden> owner.
[09:39] <Aaden> : so i just boot to the console from disk and then type fixmbr?
[09:39] <owner> yes
[09:39] <owner> !fixmbr
[09:39] <ubotu> owner: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[09:40] <gsuveg> me dont work the acpi, sleep and so on breezy. nobody have same problem?
[09:41] <Scott--> kubuntu 5.10, all updates applied, having trouble setting a static ip address, each time i try, the default gateway disappears, it will only let me use dhcp (i'm using the system settings>network settings
[09:41] <Scott--> would appreciation any suggestions
[09:41] <seashell11> gsuveg: are you on a laptop or desktop?
[09:43] <gsuveg> seashell11: sry. ist a laptop. asus, and it was working on warty
[09:43] <seashell11> gsuveg: I havn't had any problems  :-S
[09:44] <gsuveg> seashell11: hmm. funny
[09:44] <gsuveg> seashell11: maybe remove all acpi related ?
[09:47] <owner> gsuveg you should compile your own kernel
[09:48] <owner> with suspend2 support
[09:48] <owner> it works much better than old suspend
[09:48] <gsuveg> i dont want ;)
[09:48] <gsuveg> this was the point why i dont use gentoo ;)
[09:50] <Scott--> new install amd64 kubuntu 5.10, all updates applied, having trouble setting a static ip address, each time i try, the default gateway disappears, it will only let me use dhcp (i'm using the system settings>network settings) any suggestions please
[09:51] <Tainted-Time> Hey
[09:52] <Tainted-Time> Got windows and kubuntu running.
[09:52] <Tainted-Time> How do I make 'breezy' 'dapper' again?
[09:53] <Tainted-Time> auturge, You therE?
[09:53] <kkathman> Tainted-Time: change your /etc/apt/sources.list to dapper repos and do an apt-get update, then a dist-upgrade
[09:54] <kkathman> but understand that Dapper is not even a beta right now..its development so isnt really ready for you to "depend" on it
[09:54] <owner> !dapper
[09:54] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[09:55] <Aaden> gah..
[09:55] <Aaden> ok
[09:55] <Tainted-Time> kkathman, I know.
[09:55] <Aaden> when i open up the recovery menu it prompts me for an admistrative password
[09:55] <Tainted-Time> kkathman, I tried, but it didn't work.
[09:55] <Aaden> to get into the cmd itsself
[09:55] <Tainted-Time> I mean...what are the repositories.
[09:57] <kkathman> Tainted-Time: you simply take your breezy ones, and replace "breezy" with "dapper"
[09:57] <danny> ji all
[09:57] <danny> just install kubuntu
[09:57] <Tainted-Time> I did, it gives me 404s.
[09:57] <danny> need help with my resolution
[09:57] <kkathman> be sure you do the "update"  before the "dist-upgrade"
[09:57] <Tainted-Time> Yup, tried it...
[09:57] <danny> i have a dell 1701FP 17'
[09:58] <danny> my resolution should be 1280*1024 but i only get 1024*768
[09:58] <danny> how do i fix this??
[09:58] <danny> any advice??
[09:58] <kkathman> Tainted-Time: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-87262.html
[09:59] <kkathman> danny:  could be the driver doesnt support your hardware at that resolution...what kind of video is it?? ATI  or  nVidia?
[10:00] <btn> Does anyone here use Kile, and if so, know if it can evaluate, as does Scientific Notebook?
[10:00] <danny> it's an intel card
[10:01] <kkathman> btn:  try the kile home page....I think its like kile.sf.net   or sourceforge.net
[10:02] <kkathman> danny you can try to reconfigure with  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and see if you can manually get that resolution
[10:02] <btn> I looked there, couldn't find anything confirming it.
[10:03] <danny> let me try that now
[10:03] <btn> Trying to find a linux replacement for Scientific Notebook.
[10:03] <kkathman> its easy to install btn... its in the repos.... sudo apt-get install kile
[10:03] <kkathman> kile is a LaTeX environment for KDE
[10:03] <btn> yep
[10:04] <btn> im using it now, just wanted to know if it had the ability to evaluate functions also, because I couldn't find out how
[10:05] <Tainted-Time> What is LaTeX?
[10:05] <btn> A text processing utility.
[10:05] <Tainted-Time> Oh.
[10:05] <btn> Makes good academic documents
[10:05] <owner> but i think its terminal only
[10:06] <kkathman> owner  kile is a kde implementation of LaTeX
[10:06] <owner> oh
[10:06] <kkathman> I just learned about it yesterday in fact, looking for a tool to do something :)
[10:07] <owner> yeah i have never heard of it before either
[10:07] <btn> Its a bit hard to get used to using but it makes pretty looking math documents.
[10:07] <kkathman> not exactly a "contemporary" applicaton or well used one,  owner :)
[10:07] <btn> many people write there Thesis with it.
[10:08] <owner> must be good
[10:08] <_localhost> what can I do if I deinstalled GCC and all its depending packages .. is there a way to rescue
[10:09] <owner> just reinstall gcc
[10:09] <trappist> _localhost: install build-essential
[10:10] <_localhost> error fetching package .. and deb and apt are all gone.. as well
[10:10] <owner> sounds like you have bigger problems than gcc if apt is gone...
[10:11] <Tainted-Time> How long - (generally) - does a dist-upgrade take?
[10:11] <owner> it can take a long time tainted
[10:11] <owner> it should have told you how many megabytes it is going to download
[10:12] <_localhost> yeah big problem is right, is there a reeescue ter.bz2 of some sort or can one do a rescue install from cd?
[10:12] <owner> what does sudo apt-get update
[10:12] <owner> say
[10:13] <_localhost> root@localhost:/tmp/deKorator-0.2-fix1# sudo apt-get update
[10:13] <_localhost> sudo: cannot get working directory
[10:13] <_localhost> sudo: apt-get: command not found
[10:13] <owner> what did you do?
[10:13] <_localhost> uninstall gcc
[10:14] <_localhost> without looking at the changes screen
[10:14] <owner> try running sudo aptitude
[10:14] <_localhost> -bash: aptitude: command not found
[10:15] <owner> i see what you did
[10:15] <owner> gcc-4.0-base
[10:15] <_localhost> adept is still open but it doesn't work either
[10:15] <owner> apt depends on it
[10:15] <_localhost> yeah
[10:15] <owner> maybe someone else can help as well
[10:15] <noll> After updating my windows ipod, it doesnt mount in linux. Doesnt react in any way when I connect it. Help!
[10:16] <_localhost> hope so :)
[10:16] <owner> locahost, if you downloaded it from the ubuntu repos
[10:16] <owner> through a webpage
[10:16] <owner> you could reinstall gcc-4.0-base and apt
[10:17] <_localhost> ok what do I need to download
[10:17] <_localhost> and will that work without deb?
[10:17] <owner> dpkg should still be there
[10:18] <_localhost> yeah dpkg ist there
[10:19] <owner> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/
[10:19] <owner> see if you can get gcc-4.0-base and apt
[10:20] <owner> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/base/
[10:20] <owner> apt is on that page
[10:22] <_localhost> am on it
[10:24] <larsivi> hey honkzilla
[10:28] <kameron> how do i uninstall the kubuntu-desktop? 'sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop' only removes one file that's less than a megabyte.
[10:29] <robotgeek> kameron: try using debfoster
[10:30] <kameron> oh cool, neat tool. thanks.
[10:34] <Tainted-Time> How do I use Bash Aliases?
[10:35] <Tainted-Time> Nevermind.
[10:35] <robotgeek> Tainted-Time: you add them to your ~/.bashrc ,
[10:36] <Tainted-Time> robotgeek, Just found it on Ubuntuforums.org. :P
[10:36] <Tainted-Time> Can you suggest some useful ones?
[10:37] <robotgeek> alias rm='rm -i' :)
[10:38] <btn> Where do I look to turn off the bouncing icons around the cursor?
[10:39] <owner> launch feedback
[10:39] <owner> btn
[10:39] <owner> in kde options somewhere
[10:39] <owner> that has to be the most annoying feature ever thought of
[10:39] <robotgeek> hmm, no
[10:39] <btn> yea, i shut all extra features off i thought, but it still keeps coming up!
[10:40] <owner> it slows down loading games in particular
[10:40] <btn> I saw it and almost ditched the whole distro, heh
[10:40] <btn> I came from openbsd with ratpoison as wm.
[10:41] <owner> ratpoison lol
[10:41] <owner> that very minimalistic
[10:41] <DjDarkPingvin> hy ,does someone knoews a tool with wich i can edit iso cd images?
[10:42] <paines> hi
[10:43] <btn> owner: yea, i used it for a long time too, i just needed something nice for my laptop @ school.
[10:43] <btn> this setup and that are polar opposites.
[10:44] <paines> i have an issue with X under dapper. I would like to start a second X server which will display xine on my TV. this worked well on hoary/breezy, which now doesn't work cause the user cannot open write to virtual console 8. any idea how to fix this ?
[10:47] <owner> paines is it a different user name on console 8
[10:48] <paines> owner: what do you mean ?
[10:48] <owner> have you logged in with a different user name
[10:48] <paines> no
[11:08] <seashell11> just noticed that about the different X servers, I am running breezy and am wondering how I can log in with different X servers at the same time, and can they all be logged in with the same username? is it easy to switch back and forth between the two?
[11:09] <feistel> hello
[11:09] <_localhost> owner .. thanks a lot
[11:10] <feistel> I am trying to do a netinstall for kubuntu, is that posible?
[11:10] <seashell11> or, rather I mean if with one monitor can I login with both gnome and kde, and easily switch between them
[11:10] <feistel> any help?
[11:12] <seashell11> feistel: do you already have an install cd for ubuntu or kubuntu? if you do you could do a server install (its the same with ubuntu or kubuntu) and then install kubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop, whatever you wnat
[11:12] <seashell11> s/wnat/want
[11:13] <feistel> sorry im new to all this
[11:13] <feistel> my laptop cd rom break up and I need to install ir
[11:14] <bimberi> !install
[11:14] <ubotu> install is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[11:14] <bimberi> feistel: there are some advanced install methods described there ^^^^
[11:15] <feistel> thanks to all
[11:15] <feistel> a will try to see this page and see what to do
[11:15] <bimberi> yw :)
[11:15] <bimberi> good luck
[11:15] <feistel> where is that !install?
[11:16] <orion_fr_24> #kubuntu-fr
[11:16] <bimberi> feistel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[11:19] <feistel> bimberi: after I do the netinstall of ubuntu, how can i get kubuntu instaled?
[11:19] <bimberi> !kubuntu
[11:19] <ubotu> somebody said kubuntu was Ubuntu+KDE, (not a fork) ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[11:20] <bimberi> feistel: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:20] <feistel> thanks again
[11:20] <bimberi> feistel: if you don't want gnome at all you might be able to do a "server" install to get a minimal system and then install kubuntu-desktop
[11:21] <bimberi> feistel: yw :)
[11:22] <Aapzak> any kopete / jabber users here?
[11:22] <gsuveg> Aapzak: many imho
[11:22] <Aapzak> I have contactlist issues, you too?
[11:22] <gsuveg> Aapzak: ask, what's your problem
[11:22] <gsuveg> me works perfect
[11:22] <feistel> how do i do a server install?
[11:23] <gsuveg> feistel: what like server ?
[11:23] <Aapzak> I have a jabber and icq user under one meta contact, when I reconnect, I see the jabber account as offline while I know he is online
[11:24] <Aapzak> very very anoying
[11:24] <bimberi> feistel: you can do it from the CD ('server' at the boot prompt), unfortunately i don't know how via a net install
[11:24] <Aapzak> I love Kopete but I have so many problems with it. PSI works much better but looks/feels ugly
[11:25] <gsuveg> Aapzak: i havent problem with kopete
[11:25] <Aapzak> good for you :)  keep it that way, Kopete is really nice
[11:25] <feistel> bimberi: thanks again, but my cd is broken
[11:26] <feistel> that is why i need to do another type of instalation
[11:26] <bimberi> feistel: yeah i know :/
[11:26] <Aapzak> lemme check #kde
[11:28] <feistel> bimberu
[11:28] <feistel> thanks again
[11:30] <bimberi> feistel: yw - hopefully something there helps, (k)ubuntu is worth the effort :)
[11:32] <admrl> could anyone tell me the easiest way to print from the command line
[11:32] <admrl> i remember reading something withpipes like
[11:32] <admrl> cat text | /dev/lp0 or something
[11:35] <kkathman> change the pipe to a >
[11:35] <admrl> ahhhhh
[11:35] <admrl> thanks
[11:35] <kkathman> though I never do that :)
[11:35] <admrl> lol
[11:35] <kkathman> I just copy into a text and print :)
[11:35] <kkathman> I believe that works on most systems, maybe not all
[11:36] <malte> does anyone know what might be wrong if i can't switch virtual terminal with ctrl+alt+f1 etc?
[11:36] <derek_> sorry about that
[11:36] <derek_> i get permission denighd
[11:37] <derek_> denied
[11:37] <derek_> **
[11:37] <derek_> even as sudo
[11:37] <malte> x.org 6.8.2-77, newly installed kubuntu
[11:37] <malte> i even put Option "DontVTSwitch" "false" in my xorg.conf
[11:37] <LiteHedded> what's the path to the dvd in my drive?
[11:37] <LiteHedded> it's mounted somewhere
[11:38] <malte> LiteHedded: /media/ somewhere perhaps?
[11:38] <malte> check the mount command
[11:38] <feistel> bimberi: still there, need help?
[11:38] <LiteHedded> k lemme check
[11:53] <Tarus> I have phpmyadmin installed and I need to remove it but when I do I get an error db_get: command not found???
[11:53] <Tarus> can someone help please *(lol)
[11:54] <Tarus> any guesses?
[11:56] <robotgeek> Tarus: apt-get remove phpmyadmin