[12:03] <simira> anyone here in London for the distro sprint?
[12:10] <zwnj> i just tested the German locale.  "de_DE.UTF-8" doesn't work too and i see an en_US interface.  note that i get error on "de_DE" and "de"
[01:06] <poningru> would it be possible to have mplayer automatically loaded and mozilla-mplayer plugin put in?
[01:19] <Burgundavia> poningru, you want mplayer to be pushed into main and installed by default?
[01:24] <poningru> Burgundavia: well thats not necessary
[01:24] <poningru> totem-plugin should be installed by defautl then
[01:24] <poningru> the correct package is totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin
[01:30] <Burgundavia> poningru, totem plugin should already be installed by default.
[01:31] <poningru> oh?
[01:31] <poningru> well its not for me
[01:31] <poningru> hmm
[01:31] <Burgundavia> file a bug
[01:31] <poningru> wait what do you mean totem-plugin?
[01:31] <poningru> which package do you mean by that?
[01:32] <Burgundavia> it is all being built out of the totem source package, I believe
[01:41] <test34> What does Ubuntu uses to auto-mount CDs, USB sticks, etc when you plug them in ?
[01:41] <floam> test34: gnome-volume-manager
[01:41] <floam> which is given information from HAL and uses pmount
[01:42] <test34> thanks floam, does kubuntu uses gnome-volume-manager too ?
[01:45] <floam> test34: probably not
[01:46] <crimsun> test34: ivman
[01:46] <test34> cool, thanks
[03:00] <ninjaru> there someone being a real asshat in #ubuntu, just thought someone here might like to know about it
[03:01] <ninjaru> quote "thangog: why don't u fuckin fags go fuck yerselves"
[03:01] <ninjaru> it wasnt aimed at me, but I didnt really apprecaite that much
[04:58] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you still aren't in -doc by default
[04:59] <jsgotangco> heh i forgot to add it on this machine
[08:37] <sivang> morning all
[08:41] <chmj> hi all 
[08:41] <chmj> is anyone currently working on myubuntu? 
[08:42] <Burgundavia> chmj, myubuntu?
[08:50] <chmj> Burgundavia: aka buntu 
[08:51] <Burgundavia> chmj, ah, not going to happen int he dapper cycle, at this point. Unless a very serious community member stepped up
[08:54] <chmj> Burgundavia: I thought so 
[08:55] <chmj> so nothing has been done since breezy? its was listed as a breezy goal.
[08:55] <Burgundavia> breezy had some seriously optimistic goals
[08:56] <Keybuk> Dapper's the first release where the "goals" are really intended to actually be met
[08:56] <Keybuk> breezy and before they were more like "things that could be done if we had the time"
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Keybuk, likely JaneW's influence, amongst others
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Keybuk, how are you feeling?
[08:59] <Keybuk> I'm good
[08:59] <Keybuk> waiting for SOMEBODY ELSE to get up
[08:59] <Burgundavia> isn't it 8am there?
[09:00] <Keybuk> yes
[09:19] <Aegir> HAH! Y2k bug in Evolution! Has to be! Except it's going to 1996 and not 1906 and won't let me set my damn dates properly in the callender. Oh this is so amusing.
[09:30] <hunger> Anyone looked into #29917 yet?
[09:34] <Keybuk> hunger: dude, you filed it on Saturday
[09:35] <hunger> Keybuk: Oh... was that saturday?
[09:35] <zakame> afternoon all
[09:35] <hunger> Keybuk: Seems longer to me;-)
[10:18] <pitti> Hi
[10:18] <ajmitch> hi pitti 
[10:21] <JaneW> hi pitti :)
[10:21] <Burgundavia> hello JaneW, have fun with the whip this week?
[10:21] <ajmitch> morning JaneW 
[10:21] <JaneW> Burgundavia: heh thanks :)
[10:21] <JaneW> hi ajmitch 
[10:22] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW
[10:22] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[10:22] <Mithrandir> *yawn*
[10:35] <dholbach> hellas pitti
[10:48] <janimo> dholbach, UVF exception for exo/thunar, need to sent to motu list?
[10:48] <dholbach> janimo: yeah
[10:49] <janimo> ok
[10:49] <dholbach> do it quickly and i'll prod matt and colin, later
[10:49] <janimo> prod for what, actual sync?
[10:49] <janimo> or you're the proxy and all goes trhoiught them?
[10:50] <janimo> actuall these two are approved for main just not promoted yet
[10:53] <Kamion> janimo: stuff that's only in the xubuntu seeds isn't getting displayed in our list of things to promote at the moment; elmo needs to fix that I think
[10:54] <janimo> Kamion, yes and xubuntu-desktop still has some bits not approved so I did not push it yet
[11:04] <Burgundavia> Kamion, isn't great to have a rich and crazy boss?  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-January/003810.html
[11:06] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: how is that crazy?
[11:07] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, that marks sees something shiny and then goes "I want it!" and orders it to be so
[11:07] <Kamion> Burgundavia: seems perfectly sane to me :)
[11:07] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: it was a spec at UBZ to boot from usb
[11:07] <ajmitch> not just a random decision :)
[11:07] <Burgundavia> I guess so, but still funny
[11:08] <ajmitch> sadly I don't think my 512MB stick is bootable with my laptop
[11:08] <Burgundavia> mine is only 128, so it won't do
[11:08] <jsgotangco> i have a 512 muvo
[11:08] <Burgundavia> incidentally, have those UbuntUSB people ever actually contacted anyone at Canonical?
[11:08] <jsgotangco> what does boot.img.gz do?
[11:09] <jsgotangco> i think it only contains the kernel and installer
[11:09] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: not that I know of.
[11:09] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: we'll most likely drive them somewhat out of business with dapper-live, though. :-)
[11:09] <Burgundavia> indeed
[11:09] <ajmitch> and the $30 fee is a bit rude
[11:09] <AlinuxOS> sir pitti ?
[11:09] <Burgundavia> they were rather evasive in that interview
[11:10] <pitti> Hi AlinuxOS 
[11:10] <StevenK> ajmitch: My wife read that statement and came out with a very disturbing statement.
[11:10] <AlinuxOS> hi
[11:10] <ajmitch> StevenK: I knew someone would
[11:11] <AlinuxOS> I have some questions, have got some time?
[11:11] <ajmitch> I'm always so misunderstood :)
[11:11] <StevenK> Heh
[11:11] <Burgundavia> dammit, why is 2am a great time to be up and chatting?
[11:12] <AlinuxOS> pitti, I have some questions, have got some time?
[11:13] <janimo> Kamion, how can I in a broken dapper iso install (cannot install kernel) manually install packages from target/media/cdrom ?
[11:13] <janimo> I can't find dpkg 
[11:13] <janimo> it's the daily of yesterday on a 64M laptop
[11:13] <pitti> AlinuxOS: just ask, I'll answer in between my work
[11:14] <AlinuxOS> pitti, ok
[11:15] <Kamion> janimo: chroot /target, then you have dpkg
[11:15] <janimo> Kamion, ta
[11:15] <sivang> morning all
[11:17] <ajmitch> morning sivang 
[11:18] <sivang> hey ajmitch , 'sup?
[11:18] <ajmitch> just replying to an email about work, nothing exciting
[11:18] <ajmitch> and longing to get back to ubuntu hacking after a week of LCA
[11:19] <Burgundavia> Moz corp has 30+ people working on Thunderbird and Firefox, bloody hell
[11:19] <sivang> Keybuk: I'm still having truobles with ifupdown_0.6.7ubuntu6 , is this solved with an upgrade? (had to downgrade to ubuntu5 to make ti work)
[11:20] <sivang> ajmitch: oh , LCA sounds cool. I wish I could visit it for once :)
[11:20] <ajmitch> sivang: it was very cool
[11:21] <ajmitch> gah
[11:21] <ajmitch> libsemanage.semanage_link_sandbox: Link packages failed
[11:21] <sivang> Keybuk: this time it seems that ntp update is to blame
[11:21] <ajmitch> nasty stuff stil
[11:21] <sivang> Keybuk: it extis with 1, which breaks ifup I think
[11:22] <hunger>  sivang: I think the latest ifupdown ruined my dhclient.conf. If you have a backup of that then you should be fine.
[11:22] <sivang> hunger: I just re-installed ubuntu5, that did the trick
[11:23] <sivang> hunger: my dhclient.conf seems un-touched
[11:23] <hunger> sivang: Well, maybe I had broken the dhclient myself. Not sure.
[11:23] <hunger> sivang: This is why I have not filed a bug:-)
[11:24] <sivang> hunger: :) Isloation is the name of the game :)
[11:24] <ajmitch> hm, awk is exploding in my face trying to build this - not helpful
[11:26] <Keybuk> sivang: "problem"? "troubles"?  what happens/goes wrong/etc.
[11:26] <sivang> Keybuk: so: I booted with ifupdown_0.6.7ubuntu6 ,
[11:27] <Keybuk> right
[11:27] <sivang> Keybuk: getting "run-parts: ntpate exited with 1" or so
[11:27] <Keybuk> ok
[11:27] <hunger> Keybuk: shortly after the last upgrade my server would no longer got his IP from its dhcp server.
[11:27] <sivang> Keybuk: iface won't come up
[11:27] <hunger> sivang: did you get an IP?
[11:27] <sivang> Keybuk: that is won't get IP from dhcp server
[11:27] <Mez> does the fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com address work even though it hasnt got a mailing list
[11:27] <Keybuk> sivang: "won't come up" ?  ntpdate happens after that
[11:27] <Keybuk> sivang: so did it come up, and go back down again?
[11:28] <hunger> Keybuk: The /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (IIRC) contained only one bogus line at that time.
[11:28] <sivang> Keybuk: not that I knew of, anyway to check that?
[11:28] <hunger> Keybuk: As I said: I am not sure that I didn't break this.
[11:28] <sivang> Keybuk: from my perspective, it never came up (didn't get an IP)
[11:29] <Keybuk> sivang: watch it from another terminal, do ifdown/ifup
[11:29] <hunger> sivang: Is there only one line in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf?
[11:29] <sivang> Keybuk: how do I watch if an interface came "up" ? (actually, thinking about it- is there a difintion for when an iface is up besides getting and ip)
[11:30] <hunger> sivang: The symptom is what I had as well.
[11:30] <Keybuk> sivang: "watch ifconfig -a"
[11:30] <Keybuk> sivang: yes, "UP" in the ifconfig outpuut :p
[11:31] <sivang> hunger: two lines, one that I added about broadcasting the hostname (send host-name "ubuntu";)
[11:31] <sivang> and one about the "request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, ...."
[11:31] <sivang> Keybuk: will do that and tell you, I'm upgrading again so I reckon ubuntu6 will get re-installed
[11:34] <hunger> sivang: that and python-twisted (if you have that installed) ;-)
[11:36] <sivang> hunger: speaking of python stuff, do you know if previously mounted fs were not reported as volumes in hal and now they are ? I have some code that got broken due to that :)
[11:37] <sivang> hunger: that is, stuff mounted from  a CDROM and USBDisks were reported as volumes, but stuff from HD were not.
[11:37] <sivang> hunger: and now they are ;-)
[11:41] <trulux> morning
[11:42] <trulux> nvidia-settings conflicts over here
[11:43] <trulux> stops from upgrading x11 pkgs
[11:43] <ajmitch> morning trulux 
[11:43] <trulux> (nvidia-glx from dapper wants to write /usr/bin/nvidia-settings)
[11:43] <trulux> hey ajmitch 
[11:43] <trulux> ajmitch: howya?
[11:43] <ajmitch> alright, just working on some selinux policy stuff
[11:44] <Treenaks> btw, am I the only one without image thumbnailers in nautilus?
[11:44] <trulux> ajmitch: I'll do so once I get dapper working
[11:44] <trulux> ajmitch: it seems like we can get this one going :)
[11:47] <ajmitch> hm?
[11:48] <trulux> ajmitch: support in pkgs since the dbeian sync
[11:48] <trulux> ajmitch: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cHpamw30.html
[11:48] <ajmitch> I know that
[11:49] <ajmitch> I've actually been using selinux & have stuff working
[11:49] <janimo> Keybuk, in a fresh server daily install /dev/null is not user RW, is this your area?
[11:50] <Keybuk> 640 ?
[11:50] <janimo> 660
[11:50] <Keybuk> ok ... did it hang for a few minutes on boot?
[11:50] <janimo> resultis in permission denied on login
[11:50] <janimo> because of sourcing /etc/bash_completion
[11:50] <janimo> scrolling of permission denied messages
[11:51] <janimo> until Ctrl-C
[11:51] <ajmitch> Keybuk: a familiar problem, is it? the 'detecting & activating hardware' step failing
[11:51] <janimo> it did not really hang on boot
[11:51] <Keybuk> ajmitch: I think I fixed it this morning
[11:51] <hunger> sivang: Nope... I am not kubuntu. That is not so deaply into hal yet I think.
[11:51] <janimo> no network at all
[11:52] <ajmitch> Keybuk: great, it was intermittent for me, but I was a little busy to report it
[11:52] <Keybuk> janimo: udevd is running?  and nothing (much?) in /dev/.udev/failed
[11:52] <janimo> on every reboot it is set back to 660
[11:52] <janimo> lemme see
[11:52] <trulux> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15/+bug/27040
[11:52] <Ubugtu> malone bug 27040 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 nvidia-glx "nvidia-glx in 2.6.15.3-1 contains an undeclared conflict against nvidia-settings (all versions)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[11:52] <trulux> "unconfirmed"
[11:53] <janimo> Keybuk, not running and failed has a lot of entries underneath
[11:54] <janimo> maybe because of the manual install, since kernel install from D-i failed so I dpkg -i instead
[11:54] <Keybuk> janimo: that would be your problem then :)
[11:54] <trulux> this won't let me remove nvidia-settings now due to x11 pending upgrades
[11:54] <janimo> ok then, thanks
[11:54] <Keybuk> janimo: is udev even installed?
[11:56] <lifeless> seb128: how can I tell if the 'dbus session' thing is running ?
[12:00] <sivang> Keybuk: ok, I found it the issue - it swapped eth1 & eth0. on boot, all ifaces are UP BROADCAST, but I then need to manually run dhclient to get a lease for eth0 (while it was always eth1 before)
[12:00] <pitti> lifeless: echo  $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS ?
[12:00] <sivang> Keybuk: working now with -14
[12:00] <sivang> (after the dist-upgrade)
[12:00] <lifeless> pitti: blank
[12:01] <pitti> lifeless: also, ps aux|grep dbus-daemon does not show a process for your user?
[12:01] <pitti> it should be like 
[12:01] <pitti> martin    6807  0.0  0.3   2692   784 ?        Ss   02:47   0:00 dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 8 --print-address 6 --session
[12:01] <Kamion> janimo: /var/log/syslog in the installer might help you find why base-installer can't install the kernel
[12:01] <Keybuk> sivang: oh,yeah, it'll do that
[12:01] <lifeless> robertc  30252  0.0  0.0   3676   740 pts/1    R+   22:01   0:00 grep dbus-daemon
[12:01] <Keybuk> sivang: reboot and they'll swap again, and again, and so on
[12:01] <lifeless> pitti: i.e. nothing
[12:01] <sivang> Keybuk: yes, pretty annoying :)
[12:02] <sivang> Keybuk: where do you usually fix something like that? </curiosity>
[12:02] <ajmitch> Keybuk: how's network manager looking now? in sad shape still?
[12:04] <sivang> pitti: has there been any changes to hal/dbus that now mounted hard drive partitions are represetned as volumes in the device tree ?
[12:05] <sivang> pitti: (while in the past they were not)
[12:05] <lifeless> pitti: so, how do I get dbus running ?
[12:06] <pitti> sivang: yes, the probe now runs as root
[12:06] <pitti> lifeless: do you have /etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus_dbus-launch ?
[12:06] <sivang> pitti: ah ok, thanks very much. I need to fix some code then ;-)
[12:06] <lifeless> no
[12:06] <sivang> pitti: this is with sjored's new root priviliged daemon ?
[12:07] <lifeless> pitti: ^
[12:07] <pitti> sivang: yes
[12:07] <Keybuk> ajmitch: not looked at it yet
[12:07] <Keybuk> sivang: when I get around to it ;)
[12:07] <pitti> lifeless: hmm, it's in the 'dbus' package, which you should have
[12:08] <pitti> lifeless: but it's a conffile, did you happen to remove it at some point?
[12:08] <pitti> lifeless: if so, dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/dbus_*.deb should work
[12:08] <lifeless> pitti: I am not aware of ever removing it
[12:08] <lifeless> what dbus package should I have ? 
[12:08] <lifeless> rc  dbus                        0.50-1ubuntu3               simple interprocess messaging system
[12:08] <lifeless> note the status
[12:08] <pitti> uh
[12:09] <lifeless> I only went with what synaptic did
[12:09] <sivang> Keybuk: ah, care to ping me up? I'm keen to know about where will this be fixed :)
[12:09] <pitti> lifeless: maybe you got the victim of some temporary uninstallability due to a library transition?
[12:09] <lifeless> pitti: I had huge installability probs for about three weeks
[12:09] <pitti> lifeless: you should have 0.60-2something
[12:09] <lifeless> half of gnome wanted a different dbus to the other half
[12:09] <lifeless> or so it seemed
[12:10] <pitti> yes, sounds like a transition breakage
[12:10] <pitti> lifeless: aptitude install ubuntu-desktop should cure many problems
[12:10] <Keybuk> sivang: "ping you up" ?
[12:10] <lifeless> then it all came good, until I tried to use epiphany -- i.e. immediately :)
[12:10] <\sh> damn..how can someone check, if the thread manager of a jvm is working?
[12:10] <\sh> .oO(without checking the logfile for "unable to create a native thread") I hate java
[12:11] <Kamion> ubuntu-desktop's uninstallable at the moment, we're working on fixing that
[12:12] <lifeless> Kamion: k
[12:12] <lifeless> I've happily installed just dbus though
[12:12] <lifeless> and -utils
[12:13] <sivang> Keybuk: never mind, I'll just follow the bug report :)
[12:13] <Keybuk> sivang: what's pinging somebody up?
[12:13] <Keybuk> is it kinky?
[12:13] <sivang> Keybuk: hehe
[12:13] <sivang> this reminds me my mishap in chat with Kinnison sometime ago :-)
[12:14] <lifeless> pitti: I've asked this in the bug, but if epiphany needs dbus, why does it not depend on it ?
[12:14] <pitti> seb128: ^ ?
[12:14] <sivang> Keybuk: could probaby sound like it, but I was more referring to you ping me on IRC when you've found the problem ..but I better be following the bug report instead of bugging you.
[12:15] <Keybuk> sivang: oh, I know what the problem is
[12:15] <Keybuk> I haven't written any code to parse /etc/
[12:15] <Keybuk> ... /etc/iftab and name the network device appropriately
[12:16] <lifeless> muhaha
[12:17] <seb128> lifeless: that's right, I'll fix that today
[12:17] <lifeless> seb128: sweet
[12:17] <seb128> but epiphany should not crash without dbus neither
[12:17] <lifeless> it does not crash
[12:17] <seb128> I'll bug upstream too
[12:17] <lifeless> it never starts
[12:17] <lifeless> ;)
[12:17] <seb128> right, same
[12:17] <seb128> it should work without dbus probably ;)
[12:20] <sivang> Keybuk: ah, I see.
[12:21] <lifeless> mjg59: so, dell x1s - any love to share 
[12:22] <janimo> Keybuk, yes udev is installed I'll try to find out if it's not too late why the kernel did not install 
[12:23] <sivang> seb128: any idea when the libc bug regarding non ascii chars wil be fixes? (the one that crashes evo/gaim ..)
[12:24] <seb128> let me ask jbailey
[12:25] <seb128> he says: "probably today"
[12:25] <Keybuk> janimo: kernel?
[12:26] <janimo> Keybuk, yes the kernel image did not install automatically
[12:26] <janimo> so I dpkg-i -d it 
[12:26] <janimo> the finished grub install step
[12:26] <janimo> so maybe some other things went wrong because of same
[12:28] <tseng> janimo: tar gets pretty pissed off if your files are dated in the future
[12:28] <tseng> janimo: no idea how much dpkg likes that
[12:29] <Mithrandir> what's the reason for bzr not being in main?
[12:29] <janimo> tseng yes lots of tar called from postinst warnings
[12:29] <janimo> and gpgv checking of Release.gpg returns with 2
[12:30] <janimo> 'C' is not a supported language locale
[12:30] <janimo> info Found kernels ''
[12:30] <Kamion> d-i passes the gpgv option to ignore time conflicts
[12:30] <janimo> so it may be that the broken clock causes all this
[12:30] <Kamion> the C thing should be unrelated I think, but you never know
[12:32] <janimo> locale: cannot set LC_CTYPE, LC_MESSAGES, LC_ALL to default locale, no such file or directory
[12:32] <janimo> adapted for IRC :)
[12:32] <janimo> and then comes found kernels '' , not installing any kernel ( which seems logical)
[12:34] <Kamion> there should be some debugging output about what kernels it found in the apt cache in /target
[12:34] <herzi> dholbach: ping
[12:34] <dholbach> herzi: pong
[12:35] <herzi> dholbach: can you take a quick look at 30047? thanks
[12:35] <dholbach> herzi: no, sorry - i have no clue, what it is about.
[12:36] <dholbach> herzi: if it's universe, i'd recommend CCing the 'motureviewers' team
[12:36] <Kamion> janimo: if there's no other output then I guess the apt cache is buggered, which could happen because of apt-get update failing due to the gpgv thing I guess
[12:36] <herzi> it's about "my wacom tablet doesn't work anymore with dapper"
[12:37] <janimo> Kamion, I am now in the bootted system which has aworking shell at least but no udev. So there's no /target right now
[12:37] <Mithrandir> herzi: there's no modular Xorg wacom driver, is there?
[12:37] <herzi> Mithrandir: there is not
[12:37] <Kamion> janimo: is this a standard image at all?
[12:37] <Kamion> or is it one you built?
[12:37] <Mithrandir> herzi: well, then you lose.  AIUI.
[12:37] <herzi> Mithrandir: but you can use the package from breezy and add a symlink
[12:37] <janimo> yesterdays current install -386.iso
[12:38] <herzi> Mithrandir: it works here with dapper
[12:38] <Mithrandir> herzi: there's no source package for it, though.
[12:38] <janimo> and the kernel installed fine with dpkg after a chrooted as you suggested
[12:38] <janimo> s/a/I/
[12:38] <Kamion> janimo: hmm, not noticed anything like that with the image from a few days back, so I guess it must be a recurrence of the old time conflict thing
[12:39] <Kamion> janimo: file a bug on debian-installer attaching /var/log/installer/syslog please?
[12:39] <janimo> need the installer syslog?
[12:39] <janimo> ok :)
[12:51] <segfault> latest udev upgrade changed my /dev/null to 0660, is that supposed to happen?
[12:55] <janimo> segfault, happens here too, but probbaly not supposed to happen
[12:55] <janimo> there's a discussion related to this if you scroll back a page or two
[12:56] <janimo> it happened here because udev is not running
[12:56] <janimo> I have some strange smbus errors in the log
[12:56] <segfault> humm, i see
[12:57] <janimo> do you also have files under /dev/.udev/failed 
[12:57] <janimo> ?
[12:58] <janimo> segfault I did an udev reinstall and then a reboot and it's fine now
[12:58] <janimo> beats me why
[12:59] <segfault> yes, a lot of them
[12:59] <segfault> acctualy, 14.
[12:59] <janimo> after I manually deleted /dev/null and /dev/console because udev restart complained
[12:59] <janimo> try /etc/init.d/udev restart
[12:59] <janimo> fast till I it's fresh in my mind ;)
[01:36] <pef> hello
[01:45] <Keybuk> JaneW: oops! :)
[01:45] <JaneW> heh
[01:47] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, hi
[01:48] <zakame> good evening all :)
[01:48] <mantiena-baltix> zakame, hello
[01:48] <zakame> hello mantiena-baltix :) what's up?
[01:49] <mantiena-baltix> zakame, all up ;)
[01:49] <zakame> at the distro sprint?
[01:54] <mantiena-baltix> zakame, what is distro sprint ?
[01:56] <zakame> hm, whip-cracking time for ubuntu-devs involved in Dapper feature goals :)
[02:05] <AlinuxOS> pitti, ? can you receve my privat msg?
[02:14] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, please answer me, when you will be online ;)
[02:29] <mjg59> lifeless: In what way?
[03:14] <Kamion> mantiena-baltix: please mail me if you want me to pay attention, or just comment on bugs or whatever; I'm not terribly reliably on IRC this week
[03:18] <\sh> Kamion: regarding the "loopback" problem from yesterday...I'm not using n-m on my workstation..so I can rely only on the standard network stuff...on my laptop, with n-m, it works without any problems
[03:18] <siretart> \sh: with madwifi?
[03:18] <\sh> siretart: no..loopback device not setup properly
[03:19] <siretart> \sh: I remember you complaining about loosing connection during scans
[03:19] <\sh> siretart: and eth0 not setup properly after reboot, too
[03:19] <\sh> siretart: that's something else
[03:19] <siretart> ah
[03:19] <siretart> ok. I'm using whereami on my laptop anyway.
[03:20] <\sh> siretart: laptop with n-m is working, despite the fact of the connection problems, which I can't figure out properly, because it's a regression of the router
[03:21] <siretart> \sh: ok. 
[03:27] <hunger> ls
[03:27] <hunger> Oops, sorry!
[03:28] <hunger> Could somebody fix the new dhcp? It is "while [ ... ] ; do" not "while [ ... ] ; then" in sh.
[03:28] <hunger> line 45 of /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script
[03:29] <Keybuk> ah, clearly I should do these kinds of things *after* lunch
[03:30] <hunger> Keybuk: The script works fine apart from that;-)
[03:31] <Keybuk> [ job dhcp3_3.0.3-6ubuntu2_source from dhcp3_3.0.3-6ubuntu2_source.changes
[03:31] <Keybuk> ok, uploaded ;)
[03:31] <hunger> Keybuk: Thanks!
[03:43] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, I think it would be easier to communicate through IRC ;) I need to ask just one question - where is changed (set) value of grub-installer/bootdev debconf setting, which uses grub-installer script
[03:43] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, I don't find any line in espresso package, which changes this setting
[03:44] <Keybuk> "...I'm sorry, but Kamion isn't here right now..."
[03:47] <mantiena-baltix> no problem ;)
[04:10] <MisterN> hi. I've installed dapper yesterday and want to tell somebody about the issues i've encountered and how i solved them (if i could). is this the right place?
[04:11] <Treenaks> MisterN: well, the 'best' way is to just file bugs for the issues you have
[04:12] <MisterN> Treenaks: must I?
[04:12] <Treenaks> MisterN: you can do that on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug (after searching if it's been reported already of course, on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs)
[04:12] <Treenaks> MisterN: problems that don't have associated probably won't be fixed, unless they're VERY obvious
[04:13] <MisterN> oh well i found a while [...] ; then
[04:13] <MisterN> in a startup script
[04:13] <MisterN> is this obvious enough?:)
[04:13] <herzi> wacom-tools?
[04:13] <MisterN> na mom
[04:13] <Treenaks> MisterN: dhcp3 ?
[04:14] <MisterN> /etc/dhcp3/dhcpclient-script
[04:14] <MisterN> Treenaks: yes.
[04:14] <Treenaks> MisterN: (because I just saw a changelog for dhcp3 about broken while; stuff)
[04:14] <Treenaks> MisterN: it has been fixed already
[04:14] <MisterN> Treenaks: the update that broke it was done by me 10 minutes ago:)
[04:15] <Treenaks> MisterN: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/005588.html
[04:17] <MisterN> Treenaks: yeah this should be the thing
[04:43] <mdz> Keybuk: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/30040
[04:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30040 in alsa-utils "alsactl load state 1236 finds no devices on boot" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[04:43] <mdz> Keybuk: ^^ related to boot process changes?
[04:43] <Keybuk> Not sure, ALSA is on the list to look at this week
[04:44] <Keybuk> I wouldn't immediately suspect so though
[04:46] <mdz> the fact that his sound still works suggests that the device wasn't there when it ran during the boot process, but it was later
[04:46] <Keybuk> which would be damned freaky
[05:00] <trappist> mdz: if you're still around, it was suggested I ask you about why alsaconf was removed from alsa-utils
[05:04] <desrt> 'would you like your email fried, or just lightly toasted?'
[05:08] <mdz> trappist: by whom?
[05:10] <pitti> infinity: ok, now all main packages use libssl 0.9.8 (on the main architectures at least, sparc needs to catch up)
[05:10] <torkel> trappist: iirc it was replaced by asoundconf
[05:10] <pitti> torkel: no, asoundconf does something entirely different
[05:10] <pitti> trappist: ^
[05:11] <torkel> pitti: ok
[05:13] <pitti> desrt: WTH do you do with your postfix configuration? :)
[05:13] <desrt> pitti; "fry it up good"
[05:13] <pitti> desrt: ah, I see, nevermind :)
[05:13] <lamont-work> pitti: nfc
[05:16] <trappist> mdz: pitti
[05:17] <pitti> mdz: 
[05:17] <pitti> mdz: I couldn't remember the exact reason for removing alsaconf
[05:17] <pitti> mdz: but I guess it's because udev/hotplug should already care for modules?
[05:18] <mdz> alsaconf is no longer needed for configuring alsa
[05:20] <trappist> mdz: I for one like alsaconf because it makes it easier to choose which sound card/driver I want to use, and I see a lot of support questions that would be easily solved by alsaconf without having to ask a user whether he's using kde, gnome or something else
[05:20] <mdz> trappist: https://launchpad.net/products/alsa-utils/+bug/29597
[05:20] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29597 in alsa-utils "alsaconf missing from alsa-utils" [Normal,Rejected]  
[05:21] <trappist> mdz: fair enough
[05:23] <mdz> trappist: if the original bug has been fixed (I don't know), then the only reason to keep it disabled is that it prevents bug reports which would otherwise help get it working without alsaconf
[05:24] <mdz> if it's been fixed, or if someone submits a patch for it, we can weigh the relative merits of alsaconf vs. bug reports
[05:24] <mdz> but for alsaconf vs. a working module loader, the latter wins
[05:24] <trappist> without alsaconf, what's the preferred method of choosing from among multiple soundcards?
[05:26] <pitti> trappist: System -> Settings -> Audio
[05:26] <trappist> and if you don't use gnome, or a desktop environment with a similar tool?
[05:26] <pitti> trappist: or, if you want a command line, set-default-soundcard
[05:32] <Keybuk> Nafallo_away: ping?
[05:55] <lamont-work> mdz: is there any reason that DMA shouldn't be defaulted to on on ide drives in dapper?
[05:55] <mdz> lamont-work: bugs?
[05:56] <mdz> lamont-work: or if the kernel doesn't think it's safe
[05:56] <lamont-work> I suppose...
[05:57] <lamont-work> I finally had a machine where it made enough of a difference for me to discover that it defaults to off...
[05:59] <mdz> it makes a huge difference everywhere I've compared
[05:59] <mdz> but these days it's enabled by default in most cases
[05:59] <Mithrandir> anybody with a firewire block storage device (disk or cdrom) around?
[06:00] <tepsipakki> mithrandir: yes
[06:01] <tepsipakki> mithrandir: but atm not on dapper
[06:02] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: can you tell me the output of tepsipakki: can you run /lib/udev/path_id /sys/block/$nameofdevice?
[06:03] <Mithrandir> uhm, obvious fix to that sentence. :-)
[06:05] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: not available on breezy :(
[06:05] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: but I'll upgrade it soon, are you in a hurry?
[06:05] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: no, no hurry.
[06:06] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: if you could tell me when you upgrade (or just boot a live cd), that'd be great.
[06:06] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: ok, I'll probably upgrade it sometime this week
[06:07] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: how recent live-cd would do?
[06:08] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: unsure when it was introduced.  Anyway, this week is just fine
[06:08] <tepsipakki> ok, I'll try a daily-dvd
[06:08] <Mithrandir> thanks
[06:15] <Mithrandir> grr
[06:16] <ivoks> Keybuk: hi
[06:18] <Keybuk> ivoks: hello
[06:18] <ivoks> Keybuk: dhclient needs minor fix :)
[06:18] <Keybuk> oh?
[06:18] <ivoks> yup, it's borken
[06:18] <Keybuk> ...
[06:18] <ivoks> malone #30074
[06:18] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30074 in knetworkconf "eth0 not started for DHCP - regression" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30074
[06:19] <ivoks> and malone #30071
[06:19] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30071 in dhcp3 "Bug in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30071
[06:20] <Keybuk> already fixed
[06:20] <Keybuk> and already uploaded
[06:20] <ivoks> i see there is a new version
[06:20] <ivoks> sorry :/
[06:51] <Nafallo> Keybuk: pong
[07:04] <Keybuk> Nafallo: dhcdbd has been uploaded to main now :)
[07:04] <Nafallo> yea, I saw :-)
[07:05] <Keybuk> also I modified it to not be setuid-root, and instead just run as a daemon
[07:06] <Nafallo> something that should go upstream? :-)
[07:06] <Nafallo> I just upgraded that package after thom anyway :-)
[07:07] <Keybuk> it looked like that's how RedHat run it anyway
[07:08] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:14] <Nafallo> Keybuk: are you taking on NM next? :-)
[07:14] <Nafallo> Keybuk: 0.6 will probably be out in ~2weeks :-)
[07:15] <Treenaks> Nafallo: that might need some wpa-supplicant love then
[07:16] <Nafallo> yea, and libnl :-)
[07:19] <simira> Mithrandir: ping
[07:23] <Keybuk> Nafallo: yes
[07:26] <Keybuk> Nafallo: I have madwifi-ng packages installed, and network-manager, and it's working so far
[07:31] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:32] <Nafallo> that means we finally will have NM in main? :-)
[07:32] <LaserJock> doko: ping?
[07:46] <Nafallo> Keybuk: that means we finally will have NM in main? :-)
[07:47] <Keybuk> Nafallo: we'll see how it goes
[07:47] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:47] <Nafallo> fair enough
[07:56] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: /lib/udev/vol_id -t /dev/hda1 .... handy
[07:58] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: thanks, vely shiny
[08:05] <simira> hmf
[08:36] <doko> LaserJock: pong
[08:36] <LaserJock> doko: I don't know if you saw (probably did) but I got tightvnc working again
[08:37] <doko> yes, did see it. thanks!
[08:37] <LaserJock> doko: I looked at Bjoern Brauel's source package but I think the difference in xorg versions is causing problems
[10:09] <MrRio> just a quick thought, when i install themes, and then run as a root user, there is a horrible difference of themes. i usually symlink /root/.themes to my own users themes so they always match
[10:09] <MrRio> is this something that would have security implications if it was implemented in some form for dapper?
[10:10] <MrRio> the root user seems to default to some horrible grey gnome-default
[10:10] <crimsun> that's just very, very bad practice.
[10:11] <MrRio> crimsun, right, fine for someone like me, where im the only user
[10:11] <MrRio> ?
[10:11] <crimsun> you can do whatever you want on your own system, but I /highly/ doubt it will be implemented for Dapper due to the severe security ramifications.
[10:12] <MrRio> ive set .themes to non-executable of course
[10:12] <MrRio> ok, is it possible for themes to compromise security then?
[10:13] <crimsun> possibly, though I'm not familiar with the innards to be able to give a solid answer
[10:13] <MrRio> they just look like simple text files, and the engines require a root password to install anyway
[10:13] <MrRio> looks like a glorified css-style markup
[10:13] <crimsun> themes in and of themselves?
[10:14] <MrRio> yes, at least the clearlooks ones do
[10:14] <MrRio> ill have a look at some more
[10:14] <crimsun> hmm, I've just used System> Preferences> Theme
[10:15] <kent> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/pre1/34523-1.jpg   *fniss*
[10:16] <MrRio> http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/571   try installing this simple theme 'Glossy P' by dragging it into the theme manger like it suggests
[10:16] <MrRio> all this does is takes the tar.gz and unzips into your .themes dir.
[10:16] <MrRio> so when you use a root app, it now doesnt have this theme
[10:16] <MrRio> and looks ugly
[10:16] <MrRio> so maybe the theme manger should ask for a root password to install, and move it into root aswell
[10:16] <MrRio> ?
[10:17] <kent> sorry, wrong channel. :(
[10:17] <crimsun> MrRio: you want to ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[10:21] <cradek> hi all
[10:21] <cradek> I have some packages I want to distribute by making an apt repository.
[10:22] <cradek> that's all working except there is an authentication warning when someone tries to install the packages.
[10:22] <cradek> can someone explain how I can sign the packages so this doesn't happen?
[10:23] <MrRio> cradek: yeah, get yourself a key if you havnt already, and just sign your packages with it, i like using seahorse since it integreates right into gnome
[10:24] <MrRio> you need to get people using your packages to import your key for use with apy
[10:24] <MrRio> apt
[10:24] <cradek> ok, I know how to sign
[10:24] <cradek> it's the other part I don't know about
[10:25] <cradek> how do I have them get my key?  Can they get it from the keyservers somehow?
[10:25] <cradek> (I'm rusty, I have only set up gpg for email, and that was long ago)
[10:26] <cradek> do I use dpkg-sig to sign?
[10:28] <mgalvin> MrRio: put your themes in /usr/share/themes so that they are globally accessible
[10:29] <mgalvin> this will make the theme show up the same for your account and root(sudo'd) windows
[10:29] <MrRio> mgalvin: k, thanks, i still feel gnome's theme manager should do this for me
[10:29] <MrRio> (if i ask)
[10:30] <LaserJock> hmm, so is it me or is cups messed up right now?
[10:31] <MrRio> LaserJock, you?
[10:31] <cradek> is there a faq that deals with my questions about signing packages?
[10:32] <MrRio> cradek, use dpkg-sig to sign your packages
[10:33] <cradek> ok
[10:33] <cradek> then how do my users tell their system my key is trusted?
[10:34] <MrRio> cradek, they would use aptkey add
[10:34] <MrRio> apt-key*
[10:34] <cradek> aha
[10:34] <cradek> thank you
[10:35] <MisterN> n8
[10:36] <MrRio> cradek: so maybe wget -O - ftp://yourserver/yourkey.gpg | apt-key add -
[10:37] <MrRio> cradek, :)
[10:38] <cradek> thank you
[10:44] <MrRio> (forgot to mention ull need a sudo on your apt-key bit
[10:45] <cradek> sure
[10:57] <lamont-work> Setting up linux-image-2.6.15-14-hppa32-smp (2.6.15-14.19) ...
[10:57] <lamont-work> cp: cannot stat `/etc/udev/rules.d/00-init.rules': No such file or directory
[10:57] <lamont-work> neatio
[10:57] <MrRio> woo
[10:57] <MrRio> lamont-work, looks like a nasty
[10:57] <lamont-work> dist-upgrading from breezy->dapper
[10:58] <cradek> MrRio: I must still be missing something
[10:58] <cradek> MrRio: apt-key list shows my key
[10:58] <cradek> MrRio: dpkg-sig --verify shows GOODSIG
[10:58] <cradek> MrRio: but I still get the warning when I install it
[10:59] <lamont-work> sadly, apt-key list dies (as a mere mortal), while gpg < /etc/apt/trusted.gpg works just fine
[10:59] <lamont-work> (mode 644 file)