[12:08] <LaserJock> hi MOTU land!
[12:08] <ajmitch_> hi LaserJock, Hobbsee
[12:08] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch_
[12:08] <Hobbsee> hi LaserJock
[12:09] <LaserJock> hiya ajmitch_ and Hobbsee
[12:11] <dredg> do my job. i'd love a day or 3 off
[12:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:21] <LaserJock> darn it, vnc isn't working for me again
[12:22] <psusi> http://pastebin.com/529583 < WTF?!  there is no error, everything is going fine then make ups and decides to bail out
[12:25] <siretart> yay, ekiga in dapper!
[12:55] <hub> anyone know how to delete a project from Launchpad?
[12:55] <hub> I mistakenly created one
[12:56] <ajmitch_> ask #launchpad
[12:56] <hub> right
[12:56] <ajmitch_> it probably needs deleted by an admin
[12:59] <LaserJock> any aptitude experts around?
[01:02] <raphink> psusi: I believe the error happened before the part you pasted
[01:03] <LaserJock> how can I get aptitude to not try to fix broken packages and forget and selections of made in the past?
[01:03] <raphink> why do you use aptitude? :p
[01:03] <raphink> if you want to control your installations, use apt-get ;)
[01:04] <LaserJock> well, it is easier to move around in aptitude, but it's totally messed up right now
[01:04] <psusi> raphink, doesn't look like it... the last gcc called looks to have completed successfully... as do all those before it
[01:05] <psusi> then make says there's nothing to be done, and THEN decides there's an error
[01:05] <raphink> weird
[01:08] <LaserJock> argh, how can you do a complete removal (--purge) after you've done an apt-get remove
[01:09] <crimsun> apt-get --purge remove foo
[01:09] <crimsun> or aptitude purge foo
[01:09] <crimsun> or dpkg -P foo, if you're desperate
[01:10] <LaserJock> hmm, apt-get --purge remove foo says foo is already removed and my aptitude is screwed up
[01:11] <crimsun> then dpkg -P it is
[01:11] <crimsun> though how you got to that point...
[01:13] <LaserJock> well, I'm just trying to get tightvnc to work
[01:13] <LaserJock> so I wanted to reinstall it but also get rid of the config files
[01:15] <crimsun> I presume the last-ditch effort was successful?
[01:17] <LaserJock> yes
[01:18] <LaserJock> darn it, it still doesn't work. I shouldn't have rebooted
[01:20] <crimsun> pixie dust
[01:21] <LaserJock> and I've got a poster due tomorrow >:(
[01:21] <crimsun> g'luck w/ that
[01:22] <LaserJock> lol, thanks
[01:25] <LaserJock> I guess I should just spend more time in the lab
[02:23] <LaserJock> how would I get a clean /etc/ssh/sshd_config file?
[02:27] <crimsun> cf. line 198- of /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst
[02:30] <LaserJock> crimsun: hmm, could I delete the sshd_config file and run the posinst script?
[02:31] <crimsun> you could, but it's better just to copy the relevant section from /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst
[02:33] <LaserJock> doh, crimsun you're amazing
[02:45] <LaserJock> hmm, I have finally narrowed down the ssh server on problem to my Ubuntu box is not doing X forwarding right
[02:46] <ajmitch_> LaserJock: is the interface lo up & has 127.0.0.1 assigned?
[02:48] <LaserJock> ohhh, just a sec
[02:49] <LaserJock> ajmitch_: how would I do that (from CLI)?
[02:50] <ajmitch_> ifconfig
[02:52] <LaserJock> hmm, not working. I do ifconfig up lo ?
[02:53] <ajmitch_> ifup lo
[02:54] <LaserJock> hmm, I get "/etc/network/interfaces:23: interface eth0 declared allow-auto twice
[02:54] <LaserJock> ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
[02:55] <ajmitch_> right
[02:55] <ajmitch_> so it's that bug
[02:55] <ajmitch_> edit /etc/network/interfaces
[02:55] <ajmitch_> there'll be a duplicate 'auto lo' line
[02:55] <ajmitch_> well
[02:55] <ajmitch_> auto eth0
[02:56] <LaserJock> got it. dang it, I've been beating my head against this for over a day
[02:57] <ajmitch_> :)
[02:57] <LaserJock> I feel pretty stupid
[02:57] <ajmitch_> nah
[02:57] <ajmitch_> it's not obvious
[02:58] <LaserJock> well, when I rebooted my computer I had to manually activate eth0 so I guess I should've figured that lo wouldn't have been working
[02:58] <LaserJock> live and learn I guess :-)
[03:20] <thinkle> For my application, I want to run a script to export any old data using the old version before upgrading to a newer version. In other words,I want the new version to run a script that relies on the presence of the old version (if it is present) before installing. Is this possible using standard deb magic?
[03:21] <ajmitch> yes, but is the data stored in users' home directories?
[03:22] <thinkle> ajmitch: Yes, alas.
[03:22] <ajmitch> ah
[03:22] <ajmitch> then it has to be done when the user runs the program, rather than install time
[03:23] <thinkle> ajmitch: That's bad news, I'm afraid.
[03:24] <thinkle> ajmitch: Makes sense though. I assume it's rather bad form for a pre-installation script to try to become all the users on a system to check for data.
[03:25] <ajmitch> yes, that is rather evil
[03:27] <thinkle> ajmitch: This is very ugly... I was hoping to work around having to build in support to import all old formats of DBs by simply building installation scripts that automatically exported necessary data into a format all versions could read.
[03:27] <LaserJock> ajmitch: is Debian's NEW queue usually as slow as it is right now?
[03:27] <ajmitch> nope
[03:28] <ajmitch> it's usually faster
[03:28] <ajmitch> thinkle: yes, that's a problem with a number of programs
[03:29] <thinkle> ajmitch: I'd imagined as much... I was hoping there was a standard packaging work-around.
[03:29] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ok, I thought so (I've had my first Debian  package on there for 2 weeks). I'm getting kinda anxious
[04:36] <LaserJock_> hi minghua
[04:37] <minghua> LaserJock_: hi
[04:41] <minghua> LaserJock: how are things going?
[04:43] <LaserJock> minghua: ok, working on a poster for a conference Wednesday :(
[04:44] <minghua> LaserJock: hey, attending conference is not that bad ;-)
[04:44] <LaserJock> well, honesty I'd rather be working on Ubuntu stuff
[04:46] <jsgotangco> minghua, happy new year
[04:46] <minghua> hehe, that's more fun, I suppose.  but still, ubuntu can't give you a degree
[04:46] <minghua> jsgotangco: hi, thanks.  happy new year to you
[05:33] <marcin`> hello MOTU
[05:33] <marcin`> got short question - I would like to prepare package for web application
[05:34] <marcin`> that uses LAMP
[05:34] <marcin`> and I would like to know if wwwconfig-common package has any documentation
[05:35] <marcin`> and if wwwconfig-common is something preferred to use with webapp package
[07:28] <LaserJock> minghua: have you had a chance to look into bug stuff for MOTU Science?
[07:29] <minghua_> LaserJock: not yet, but I plan to do soon
[07:29] <minghua_> I've been busy the past week too
[07:30] <LaserJock> minghua_: np, I just forget so I thought I would ask
[07:31] <minghua_> LaserJock: yeah, it's good to know others' progress :-)
[07:32] <LaserJock> I've been working on a poster for a conference so I haven't been able to do much MOTUScience work
[07:36] <LaserJock> hi raphink
[09:19] <Gloubiboulga> morning
[10:07] <zakame> hmmm, I'm beginning to think SDL is the culprit for abuse-sdl, holotz-castle bugs...
[10:07] <jsgotangco> slay it!
[10:07] <ajmitch> hey zakame, jsgotangco
[10:08] <jsgotangco> hey ajmitch how was LCA?
[10:08] <zakame> heya ajmitch :)
[10:08] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: it was excellent
[10:08] <ajmitch> very impressive
[10:08] <ajmitch> I enjoyed it more than the last one I was at
[10:08] <ajmitch> partly because I understood a lot more :)
[10:08] <jsgotangco> and it solidifies the fact that NZ is the other AU state?
[10:08] <StevenK> Heh
[10:09] <ajmitch> or that .au is just west island
[10:09] <ajmitch> :)
[10:09] <StevenK> I resent that.
[10:09] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:09] <ajmitch> you can handle it :)
[10:09] <StevenK> Wanna bet?
[10:09] <StevenK> :-)
[10:09] <ajmitch> as long as you don't lose your hair over it
[10:10] <zakame> haha
[10:10] <StevenK> Mmm, Rusty's pornstar mo is gone.
[10:10] <ajmitch> yeah, he almost looks respectable now
[10:10] <StevenK> Heh
[10:10] <StevenK> And Jeff looks crazy.
[10:10] <ajmitch> crazier
[10:11] <ajmitch> there were a lot of good talks this year
[10:12] <ajmitch> your turn next :)
[10:12] <StevenK> Mmm. LCA in Sydney is good, since I just need to take a week off. :-)
[10:12] <ajmitch> yeah, I was unemployed anyway ;)
[10:12] <ajmitch> < 10 minute walk to uni
[10:12] <StevenK> If it's the same time, I don't have to worry about uni either.
[10:13] <ajmitch> I don't think they have settled on a date yet
[10:13] <StevenK> Last status is state "idle" (backup done) as of 1/30 20:10.
[10:13] <StevenK> Finally.
[10:13] <ajmitch> I'd like to visit sydney again
[10:13] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I might be in brisbane in a few days
[10:14] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: when would that be
[10:14] <StevenK> Sydney's not that good. :-P
[10:15] <StevenK> blase, even.
[10:17] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: maybe at the end of this week, for 2-3 weeks
[10:17] <ajmitch> doing some work over there
[10:17] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: im in manila at the moment i won't be there till end of feb
[10:17] <ajmitch> ah right
[10:17] <jsgotangco> :/
[10:17] <ajmitch> so I'll be back in NZ by then, I think
[10:18] <jsgotangco> my trips have been frequent lately but short
[10:18] <ajmitch> if I'm unlucky I might end up back there later in the year, too
[10:33] <ajmitch> StevenK: I can do that easily
[10:33] <ajmitch> I just have to use more than 10GB in a month :)
[10:33] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[10:33] <ajmitch> dholbach: how's london?
[10:33] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[10:33] <StevenK> ajmitch: The whole 'rate-limit after xGb' pisses me off.
[10:34] <ajmitch> StevenK: I might switch ISP soon to one that allows 30GB or so
[10:34] <dholbach> ajmitch: fine, thanks
[10:34] <ajmitch> of course, the rate limiting thing is nasty
[10:34] <StevenK> I reach my limit (currently 16Gb), and I get charged at $3/Gb.
[10:34] <zakame> hi dholbach
[10:34] <ajmitch> StevenK: on another ISP I could have 10GB & then $10 per 10GB over
[10:34] <StevenK> And downloads between 1am -> 10am aren't counted.
[10:34] <ajmitch> dholbach: what does the week hold for you? lots & lots of hacking?
[10:35] <StevenK> So, 'at 1am wget .....'
[10:35] <ajmitch> hey doko
[10:35] <ajmitch> StevenK: I wish I had that
[10:35] <dholbach> ajmitch: first a new gnome
[10:35] <dholbach> :-)
[10:35] <dholbach> how are you?
[10:35] <StevenK> ajmitch: I've downloaded 80Gb in one month. And I paid $1.50 extra.
[10:37] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'm good, had a fun week last week with LCA :)
[10:37] <ajmitch> morning ogra
[10:37] <dholbach> nice
[10:37] <ogra> heya ajmitch
[10:38] <StevenK> Muahah, a twisted bug is assigned to MOTU, and twisted is in main.
[10:38] <ajmitch> StevenK: sounds like a bug for doko then :)
[10:40] <dholbach> StevenK: i can prod doko - he's sitting at the next table :)
[10:40] <dholbach> StevenK: just CC him on the bug.
[10:40] <ajmitch> or one of us can look at it, what's the bug # ?
[10:41] <StevenK> Ahh, dholbach is at the sprint.
[10:41] <StevenK> #3444
[10:41] <dholbach> :-)
[10:42] <ajmitch> StevenK: all the distro team is, afaik
[10:42] <StevenK> Ah
[10:42] <ajmitch> so instead of the usual ubuntu conference, this is a whip-cracking week for the canonical employees ;)
[10:43] <Mithrandir> yeah, that's why we brought janew along. :-P
[10:43] <Mithrandir> (for the whip-cracking, I mean)
[10:43] <jsgotangco> probably good if its cold in london
[10:44] <zakame> hehe
[10:47] <StevenK> Ugh, another bug about depending on php5
[10:47] <ajmitch> yay
[10:48] <ajmitch> but that may require slapping upstream around some
[10:49] <ajmitch> which is no real problem, since I'm supposed to be doing those patches upstream :)
[10:49] <ajmitch> and the main developer was here for LCA last week
[10:49] <StevenK> As was Rasmus, right? :-)
[10:49] <ajmitch> StevenK: sure, but I mean the phpgw developer
[10:50] <ajmitch> I didn't go to rasmus' talk this time
[10:50] <StevenK> ajmitch: I know.
[10:50] <jsgotangco> rasmus is always in LCA
[10:50] <ajmitch> though I'm sure it was interesting :)
[10:50] <StevenK> (Malone #4078)
[10:51] <ajmitch> StevenK: hm? what's wrong with that?
[10:52] <ajmitch> apart from that it should be assigned to motumergers
[10:52] <StevenK> It's still open.
[10:52] <ajmitch> ah well
[10:53] <ajmitch> I have to close a bunch of my merge bugs also :)
[10:57] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: users are such fun, aren't they?
[10:57] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: #d-d, you mean?
[10:58] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:04] <Hobbsee> is anyone else having masses of trouble with the dapper networking not starting properly on boot?
[01:05] <Gloubiboulga> Hobbsee, I haven't
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Gloubiboulga: right
[01:06] <Mez> Hobbsee, if you're relying on n-m or have not upgraded it from breezy - then yes
[01:06] <Mez> I believe dapper is relying on n-m atm for networking stuff mainly
[01:06] <Hobbsee> n-m?  I installed flight 1, and upgraded from there
[01:07] <Mez> Hobbsee, thats probably why
[01:07] <Mez> Network Manager
[01:07] <Hobbsee> right
[01:07] <Mez> I think thedispatcher daemon is broken at the mo
[01:07] <\sh> loopback wasn't setup properly somehow yesterday..
[01:07] <\sh> (without n-m)
[01:07] <\sh> with n-m everything is fine here.
[01:08] <Mez> weird: I know my n-m has been having sporadic problems - I assumed it was that
[01:08] <Mez> and that it was falling back on the networking stuff I have left over from breezy
[01:08] <Mez> I know it doesnt like my wireless card now
[01:09] <\sh> Mez: my amd64 is not running with n-m, and /etc/network/interfaces looks quite ok...but it doesn't setup my networking devices properly. eth0 is not dhcpclient-ized neither loopback is setup properly somehow...on my laptop with n-m everything is fine.
[01:10] <Mez> ah - ok then :D
[01:10] <Mez> lol
[01:14] <\sh> and me needs an ack/nack for uvf exception for wine 0.9.6
[01:33] <StevenK> \sh: Is that for the Real Life Upstream 0.9.6?
[01:33] <\sh> StevenK: yepp
[01:34] <\sh> StevenK: packages are ready for deployment :)
[01:36] <pef> hello
[01:36] <Gloubiboulga> salut pef
[01:36] <pef> Gloubiboulga: salut, tout se passe bien ? ;)
[01:37] <Gloubiboulga> pef, yep :)
[01:37] <pef> why uqm-4 isn't synced from Debian/unstable ? in Dapper we have uqm-content-4 and uqm-3 I cannot find uqm-4 in bd logs
[01:45] <zakame> magandang gabi
[02:45] <siretart> dholbach: when running ekiga, I get this error:
[02:45] <siretart> ekiga: error while loading shared libraries: libopal.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:45] <siretart> dholbach: known bug or shall I report via malone?
[02:50] <siretart> ah, never mind. this is malone 29195
[02:50] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29195 in gnomemeeting "Include Ekiga in Ubuntu" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29195
[03:18] <zakame> wb dholbach
[03:30] <\sh> grmpf...i need to write another uvf exception report
[03:31] <zakame> hmm, during breezy's uvf, how many exception reports were made?
[03:31] <\sh> zakame: no reports..only for main
[03:32] <zakame> ah
[03:35] <\sh> bah..jabberd2 s10 has to be included for dapper
[03:35] <\sh> s8 is broken like hell..and s9 as well
[03:37] <zakame> waah!!!
[03:39] <\sh> dholbach: you forgot to include wine in your report :)
[03:40] <\sh> dholbach: (20th of Jan)
[03:40] <\sh> dholbach: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-January/000192.html
[05:06] <TomaszD> hello. I don't know if this is the right place for this, but I found out that SoundConverter is outdated in Dapper Universe. According to http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/sound/soundconverter the version in dapper is 0.8.1. The newest is 0.8.3 http://soundconverter.berlios.de/ . Is anyone here responsible for pushing new versions into Dapper Universe?
[05:07] <dholbach> yes
[05:07] <TomaszD> ok, so it's just a hint for whoever takes care of it :)
[05:07] <dholbach> we're in upstream version freeze (uvf), i have the changes prepared locally, filed a uvf exception request, will have to mail it to release manager
[05:09] <TomaszD> dholbach, so already took care of it?
[05:09] <TomaszD> *so you
[05:09] <dholbach> It's not uploaded yet, because I need approval for a UVF exception.
[05:09] <TomaszD> ok.
[05:09] <dholbach> and I need to mail the release manager (among 243697246 other things I have to do). :-)
[05:09] <dholbach> But I'll take care of it.
[05:09] <TomaszD> ok cool.
[05:10] <TomaszD> also, after over a year, Psi 0.10 has been released. The version in Dapper is 0.9.3, same as was in Breezy. I'd be very glad if someone took care of it as well.
[05:11] <TomaszD> these are my only gripes as far as universe goes :)
[05:11] <dholbach> Yes, you should read ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com
[05:11] <dholbach> psi is taken care of too
[05:12] <TomaszD> ok. I see it's just a matter of time then.
[05:12] <dholbach> Yeah. :)
[05:16] <TomaszD> are there many exceptions made to the uvf? I mean, is there a chance in hell both of these apps will be updated?
[05:30] <Apoll013> Sorry if being OT, but I've got a problem with hotplug not uploading firmware to my DVB-Card... wiki, google #ubuntu, #ubuntu-de didn't get me further. Some more ideas?
[06:14] <dholbach> Could you all do me a favour and review and reply to waiting UVF approval requests?
[06:14] <dholbach> I'll have a look at them later, but it's easier if somebody has flicked through it already and I can push them to Matt and Colin.
[06:52] <raphink> siretart: you there?
[06:53] <phanatic> hi people
[06:54] <raphink> hi phanatic
[06:56] <phanatic> raphink: i'd like to ask you to have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1623 please...
[06:56] <raphink> siretart: ping
[06:57] <raphink> hehe I'm gonna test my new tool on you then phanatic ;)
[06:58] <phanatic> raphink: is it autorevu, or what? ;)
[06:58] <raphink> it's just a small tool to generate some reports on the tarballs ;)
[07:00] <lucas> raphink: have you thought about integrating it with lintian or linda ?
[07:00] <lucas> (/me jumping in the discussion)
[07:00] <raphink> yes I have thought about it
[07:00] <raphink> but not right now
[07:01] <raphink> it's not very stable
[07:01] <raphink> and it's just a small bash script
[07:01] <raphink> I have a pb with it atm
[07:01] <raphink> trying to find out what it is
[07:02] <phanatic> sounds interesting :)
[07:04] <raphink> hehe fixexdc
[07:04] <raphink> fixed
[07:04] <raphink> now it worked :)
[07:04] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1623
[07:04] <raphink> it adds three stuff :
[07:04] <raphink> tarballs.md5  115 Bytes
[07:05] <raphink>   extracted_tarballs  DIR
[07:05] <raphink>   upstream_orig.diff  0 Bytes
[07:05] <raphink> I still have to get the upstream tarball manually
[07:05] <raphink> which is quite logical
[07:05] <raphink> but it helps cause any reviewer can check that the md5 and the diff -ru are fine in one click :=)
[07:05] <raphink> well 2 in total :)
[07:08] <phanatic> :)
[07:09] <raphink> I'm not sure keeping the extracted tarball is helpful, but I'm keeping it so far
[07:11] <raphink> phanatic: can you add a Homepage entry to the long Description in debian/control please?
[07:14] <phanatic> oh, forgot :(
[07:18] <phanatic> raphink: uploaded
[07:18] <raphink> ok
[07:19] <raphink> wait
[07:21] <phanatic> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1626
[07:22] <raphink> yes wait ;)
[07:22] <raphink> you can correct the other comment, too ;)
[07:22] <raphink> while I'm working on some stuff
[07:22] <raphink> then i'll look at it again
[07:23] <phanatic> i cannot clean that one, because that's in the orig.tar.gz
[07:23] <phanatic> shall i touch that?
[07:23] <raphink> ah!
[07:23] <raphink> you can remove it in debian/rules I guess
[07:24] <raphink> so it's clean in the end ;)
[07:24] <phanatic> okay... while testing i added rm -f ... but it screamed anyway :)
[07:25] <raphink> yes but you have to add it
[07:25] <phanatic> ok
[07:25] <raphink> as said by lintian
[07:25] <raphink> it will keep screaming but it'll be clean ;)
[07:27] <phanatic> raphink: done, upped...
[07:28] <raphink> ok wait
[07:32] <phanatic> raphink: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1628
[07:32] <raphink> wait
[07:32] <phanatic> ok
[07:32] <phanatic> :)
[07:35] <raphink> hmmpf
[07:35] <raphink> stupid me
[07:35] <raphink> nm ;)
[07:36] <raphink> there's no dapper chroot in dapper :s
[07:36] <raphink> I mean
[07:36] <raphink> dapper chroot on tiber
[07:36] <raphink> i'm getting tired I guess
[07:36] <raphink> lol
[07:36] <phanatic> :)
[07:36] <phanatic> sorry, i have to go... don't want to miss the bus :)
[07:37] <phanatic> i hope everything is alright
[07:37] <raphink> ok
[07:37] <raphink> later
[07:37] <phanatic> if not, i'll correct it tomorrow
[07:37] <phanatic> bye
[07:39] <raphink> siretart: ping
[07:53] <siretart> raphink: pong. whassup?
[07:53] <raphink> hey siretart :)
[07:54] <raphink> well I just made a small tool I'm using on tiber and i wanted your opinion on it :)
[07:54] <raphink> it's /home/raphink/revu-orig
[07:54] <raphink> it generates a few files
[07:55] <raphink> makes it easier to check the md5sum or the diff -ru between the upstream and orig tarball )
[07:55] <raphink> I tested it on a few packages already
[07:55] <raphink> like http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1615
[07:55] <raphink> :)
[07:58] <siretart> raphink: looks useful. do you think this is something which should be done unconditionally on every upload?
[08:03] <raphink> siretart: well the only thing is that I need to get the upstream tarball manually
[08:03] <raphink> siretart: so it can be done as soon as you have it ;)
[08:03] <raphink> the hard part is getting it
[08:03] <raphink> even grepping the package (like debian/copyright for example) doesn't give you enough infos to make the download automatic
[08:04] <raphink> siretart: I think if you like it it could be added to /usr/local/bin though, so other reviewers can run it
[08:04] <raphink> ;)
[08:04] <raphink> siretart: it shouldn' tbe added to revu-build since it doesn't meet the same requirements
[08:04] <raphink> revu-builds runs on the dsc, whereas revu-orig runs on the upstream tarball
[08:06] <raphink> siretart: so it's up to you, just keeping you informed of it :)
[08:14] <ajmitch> morning
[08:15] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[08:15] <tseng> hi ajmitch
[08:17] <SloMoSnail> hi ajmitch
[08:19] <siretart> raphink: I'm really busy right now. it could be run as 'revu hook'
[08:20] <siretart> raphink: would you like to commit your script to the revu1 svn?
[08:53] <bur[n] er> anyone know what package gnome-mouse-properties is in?
[08:54] <azeem> bur[n] er: packages.ubuntu.com
[08:54] <bur[n] er> azeem: i did apt-cache search gnome-mouse to no avail
[08:54] <tseng> dpkg -S `which gnome-mouse-properties
[08:54] <ajmitch> gnome-control-center: /usr/bin/gnome-mouse-properties
[08:54] <tseng> ajmitch: yay for enablers
[08:54] <ajmitch> :P
[08:54] <ajmitch> I shouldn't encourage them
[08:55] <bur[n] er> thanks ajmitch and tseng, that's a neat dpkg trick I never knew!
[08:55] <sivang_> hi all
[08:56] <tseng> between dpkg, apt, and grep-dctrl
[08:56] <tseng> you can find anything
[08:56] <bur[n] er> with that dpkg command, I think that's the missing piece
[08:56] <bur[n] er> thanks, adios
[09:05] <LaserJock> hmm, Debian NEW is up to 199 packages :(
[09:06] <slomo> and 100 of them are new X11?
[09:06] <LaserJock> not 100, maybe 20
[09:07] <LaserJock> hmm, I get ~28 X11 packages
[09:11] <Gloubiboulga> sources under BSD license can be included in Ubuntu ?
[09:11] <tseng> yes, of course
[09:11] <Gloubiboulga> tseng, thanks, I wasn't sure
[09:11] <Kyral> hey all
[09:11] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[09:13] <Kyral> yea! *hugs whoever Tomboy's maintainer is*
[09:14] <tseng> eh?
[09:14] <tseng> myself and then dave beckett adopted it
[09:15] <Kyral> ty for including the watchfile
[09:15] <ajmitch> Kyral: uh why?
[09:15] <Kyral> Since there is a new version out after the UVF all I have to do it sourceget it from apt and run uupdate to compile the new one for myself :D
[09:16] <tseng> thats useful
[09:16] <ajmitch> and it would have been a great challenge to do it without a watch file?
[09:17] <Kyral> ajmitch: No, but it makes it easier and you gotta admit easier is good :D
[09:17] <ajmitch> not when it breaks things
[09:17] <Kyral> yah, btu I know how to handle myself
[09:19] <LaserJock> Kyral: but not how to type ;-)
[09:19] <Kyral> ..bah
[09:21] <LaserJock> Kyral: how's the packaging going these days? FlowDesigner still a no go?
[09:23] <Kyral> LaserJock: yah
[09:23] <Kyral> and right now I'm focusing on School
[09:23] <Kyral> I have an Exam on Thursday lol
[09:24] <LaserJock> well study hard, I've got a poster I have to finish today :(
[09:24] <Kyral> hhe
[09:24] <Kyral> Yah...as soon as Flight 4 comes out I'll have to start working on the Install Guide
[09:25] <LaserJock> yeah, and I got to get the Packaging Guide in shape before String Freeze
[09:25] <Kyral> When is that?
[09:25] <LaserJock> March 16th
[09:26] <Kyral> ah okay so I have time :D
[09:27] <LaserJock> depends on how much you have to do
[10:23] <raphink> siretart: sorry I was away... would you like me to commit this script to the svn ?
[10:23] <raphink> LaserJock: don't hesitate pinging me anytime about the Packaging Guide ;)
[10:24] <LaserJock> raphink: well, I filled out the outline with skeleton sections last night. Doesn't look like it has hit doc.ubuntu.com, but when it does you can see sections that need to be done ;-)
[10:24] <siretart> raphink: sure.
[10:25] <raphink> siretart: how do I do that?
[10:25] <raphink> LaserJock: i'll be happy to write for it, if you can correct my english afterwards ;)
[10:25] <LaserJock> raphink: I'd like to do a little section on packaging for Kubuntu so you might be a help out there
[10:25] <siretart> raphink: you are already in the 'revu' group, the svn is on tiber in /srv/svn/revu
[10:25] <raphink> LaserJock: sure, there are some specific points indeed
[10:25] <siretart> raphink: do a svn co svn+ssh://tiber.tauware.de/srv/svn/revu on your machine
[10:27] <raphink> let's see
[10:29] <raphink> hmm doesn't seem to do anything :s
[10:29] <raphink> oh yes now it does :)
[10:29] <raphink> siretart: revu-build is not in the svn?
[10:30] <siretart> raphink: I'll get an email on commit with your diff and commit changelog
[10:30] <siretart> raphink: no, not yet. I should have included it, you are right
[10:30] <siretart> I rather focus on revu2
[10:30] <raphink> yes
[10:30] <raphink> do you want me to commit revu-build, too?
[10:31] <raphink> I don't know how to commit to the svn though :s
[10:31] <raphink> this is a point where I really lack knowledge today
[10:38] <GURT> How can i find a repository with wxPython 2.6.1.x or higher?
[10:39] <crimsun> 'python-wxgtk2.6' is in dapper/universe
[10:53] <raphink> let's see if I understood how to use svn ...
[10:54] <GURT> crimsun: can i use packages from dapper/universe in breezy?
[10:55] <raphink> siretart: I can't commit my changes :s
[10:56] <crimsun> GURT: if you recompile them in a Breezy pbuilder, sure
[10:57] <GURT> oi
[10:57] <GURT> i don't know what that means heh
[10:58] <azeem> GURT: maybe you should ask in #ubuntu
[10:59] <siretart> raphink: use svn add <file> to add files to your working copy, and then 'svn commit' to commit your changes
[10:59] <GURT> yeah. thanks anyhow :)
[11:15] <lucas> somebody has any merge reviews pending ?
[11:19] <sebest_> hello
[11:21] <minghua> lucas: it would be nice if you can review bug 29724
[11:21] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29724 in xfonts-mona "xfonts-mona installs font to wrong directory" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29724
[11:22] <minghua> lucas: I looked at the debdiff and think it's good, but I've not built or tested it myself yet
[11:27] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm going to have to go through the science packages and figure out what we can merge/sync according to the list we have 58 outdated packages in Ubuntu
[11:28] <minghua> oh really, we are so behind now?
[11:29] <ajmitch> minghua: well it is after UVF
[11:29] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you'll have to provide good reasons for UVF exceptions
[11:31] <lucas> minghua: regarding #29724, we should see whether there's a better solution than fixing all packages
[11:31] <lucas> I'm not familiar with X fonts packaging
[11:31] <lucas> wow, 58 ...
[11:34] <minghua> lucas: no problem, I've done an X font package merging before, and I'll test this one then look for an MOTU
[11:35] <minghua> ajmitch: but sync from debian with same upstream version but new debian revision is still allowed (no need for exception request), right?
[11:35] <lucas> minghua: right
[11:47] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it's not UVF exceptions I'm looking at but merges/syncs we can do  without an exceptions
[11:53] <siretart> I don't want that a shell script abort on errors
[11:53] <siretart> should I use set +e or set -e?
[11:55] <LaserJock> ok, I counted 32 out of the 58 oudated MOTUScience packages could be merged/synced without UVF exceptions
[11:58] <minghua> siretart: set +e, I believe.
[11:59] <siretart> ok