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| Tm_T | kkathman-zzzz: humm, if you have time, we could check that docbook issue tomorrow? | 10:58 |
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| Tm_T | Riddell: deadline(s) for artwork thing? | 11:18 |
| Riddell | which artwork thing? | 11:19 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseSchedule user interface freeze | 11:19 |
| Riddell | March 9th | 11:19 |
| bobesponja | how can I add w3c validator to the Tools in konqueror like I used to have on my debian kde3.4? | 11:24 |
| === Riddell adds xine or gstreamer for kubuntu dapper to tech board meeting agenda at 2000UTC today | ||
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| raphink | hi Riddell | 12:26 |
| Riddell | hi raphink | 12:27 |
| raphink | how are you? | 12:28 |
| Riddell | I'm ok thanks | 12:29 |
| raphink | good | 12:30 |
| raphink | about kdcop | 12:30 |
| raphink | my point is that there should be a desktop file for it, even if its turned off | 12:31 |
| raphink | iirc there's an option to put in the desktop file so it doesnt' appear in the menu | 12:31 |
| Riddell | hmm, spose so | 12:31 |
| Riddell | it's really the sort of thing that should be changed n kde not kubuntu, but we can't do that just now | 12:33 |
| raphink | Riddell: why? | 12:36 |
| Riddell | well, hassle :) | 12:37 |
| Riddell | o, why can't change in kde? because 3.5 is in string freeze and 4 won't have dcop | 12:37 |
| raphink | 4 won't have dcop? | 12:37 |
| raphink | what will it have instead? | 12:38 |
| Riddell | dbus | 12:40 |
| Riddell | with an luck | 12:40 |
| Riddell | any luck | 12:40 |
| raphink | ok :) | 12:41 |
| Riddell | raphink: you had the generic description in kdcop.desktop | 12:43 |
| Riddell | Categories is a list and needs to nd in ; | 12:44 |
| raphink | mhm | 12:44 |
| raphink | ah | 12:45 |
| Riddell | adding NoDisplay=true | 12:46 |
| Riddell | and I'll upload | 12:46 |
| raphink | ok | 12:46 |
| raphink | you do the changes? | 12:47 |
| Riddell | yes | 12:49 |
| raphink | ok | 12:54 |
| Riddell | anyone want to try backporting 3.5.1 to ezy? | 01:06 |
| Riddell | breezy | 01:07 |
| Mez | Riddell: give me the package URLs to try and I'll start them nicely on tiber | 01:09 |
| Riddell | mdapper | 01:15 |
| Riddell | Mez: dapper | 01:15 |
| Riddell | tiber? | 01:16 |
| Mez | Riddell: which package names ? I can never remember | 01:16 |
| Mez | Riddell - tiber.tauware.de | 01:16 |
| Riddell | gettext-kde, akode, arts, kdelibs, kdebase | 01:16 |
| Riddell | to start with | 01:16 |
| Riddell | then follow the iagram on http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/people.html | 01:17 |
| Mez | do i need to change them for the control file? | 01:17 |
| Riddell | hopefully not | 01:17 |
| Riddell | debian/rules has nasty hack for this | 01:17 |
| Mez | you managed some magic-fu with that :D | 01:17 |
| Riddell | I tried it, need you to confirm if I managed it :) | 01:18 |
| Mez | kdebase_3.5.1-0ubuntu2.diff.gz | 01:18 |
| Mez | ? | 01:18 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:18 |
| Mez | just checking | 01:19 |
| === Mez creates a scipt to download | ||
| Mez | I'll shove all the .debs out on http for you to peruse | 01:19 |
| Mez | well ... | 01:20 |
| Mez | you wont be able to download | 01:20 |
| Mez | have you tried backporting these? | 01:21 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:23 |
| Mez | cool cool | 01:23 |
| Mez | just checking | 01:23 |
| Riddell | yep | 01:23 |
| Mez | gonna have fun with this pbuild | 01:23 |
| Mez | lol :D | 01:24 |
| Mez | am gonna have to do magic-fu | 01:24 |
| raphink | Riddell: is konq-kim fine now ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1615 | 01:35 |
| === Mez downloads and builds locally as it's easier | ||
| raphink | yep | 01:38 |
| raphink | well locally on tiber ;) | 01:38 |
| raphink | no? | 01:38 |
| Mez | Riddell - this magic-fu - will it allow for a changing of the version number ? | 01:38 |
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| Riddell | Mez: should do | 01:40 |
| Mez | good to hear :d | 01:40 |
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| Hobbsee | yay! a solution to the touchpad bug! | 01:42 |
| Hobbsee | and it works! | 01:42 |
| Mez | Riddell: gettext-kde 0.10.35-0ubuntu1 ... ? | 01:42 |
| Mez | that been updated in dapper for 3.5.1 ? | 01:43 |
| Mez | last update was 16th Nov | 01:43 |
| Mez | is it needed to build? | 01:43 |
| Riddell | it's a build-dep of kdelibs | 01:44 |
| Mez | ah | 01:44 |
| Mez | and not in breezy | 01:44 |
| Riddell | raphink: konq-kim looks fine | 01:44 |
| raphink | ok :) | 01:44 |
| raphink | could you upload it? | 01:44 |
| Riddell | yep | 01:45 |
| Mez | gettext-kde = build ok | 01:49 |
| Mez | gettext-kde = install ok | 01:49 |
| Riddell | konq-kim_0.8.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW | 01:51 |
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| JRe | Riddell: Keep 0.2.4 with wording correction has been released | 01:52 |
| Mez | Riddell: at least NEW stuff in ubuntu doesnt take as long as it does in debian | 01:52 |
| Riddell | JRe: does it do clever thingswhen the directory is invalid? | 01:53 |
| raphink | thanks Riddell | 01:53 |
| raphink | :) | 01:53 |
| JRe | Riddell: I think yes | 01:54 |
| Riddell | think :) | 01:54 |
| Riddell | where can I find it? | 01:54 |
| JRe | Riddell: rdiff-backup is my back-end | 01:54 |
| JRe | Riddell: so this kind of problem is directly managed by it | 01:55 |
| JRe | Riddell: the user don't see anything since I have not implemented yet a notification system | 01:55 |
| Riddell | yes, my problem was that rdiff-backup on the command line gave a sane erro message but keep didn't | 01:55 |
| JRe | Riddell: it's true thats currently not implemented | 01:55 |
| JRe | Riddell: but of course in the TODO list :) | 01:56 |
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| Mez | Riddell: ping | 01:57 |
| Riddell | Mez: honk | 01:57 |
| hunger | ls -alF | 01:57 |
| Riddell | JRe: hmm, quite a usability problem for me, since it didn't work and I had no idea why not | 01:57 |
| Mez | Riddell: akode FTSBD in breezy | 01:58 |
| Riddell | foo | 01:58 |
| Riddell | why? | 01:58 |
| Mez | -> Considering debhelper (>= 5.0) | 01:58 |
| JRe | Riddell: agreed | 01:58 |
| Mez | Tried versions: 4.9.5ubuntu1 | 01:58 |
| Riddell | has anyone tried konversation on dapper? | 01:58 |
| Mez | dh_compat | 01:58 |
| Riddell | Mez: oh blah | 01:58 |
| hunger | Riddell: I have not. | 01:58 |
| JRe | Riddell: nop there is no amd64 package | 01:58 |
| Mez | Riddell: :P | 01:58 |
| hunger | Riddell: IRC-client must be text only here:-( | 01:58 |
| Riddell | hunger: could you? | 01:58 |
| Mez | you mean my version ? | 01:59 |
| Riddell | Mez: yes | 01:59 |
| Mez | or has it been uploaded now ? | 01:59 |
| hunger | Riddell: only one box can get IRC through the Firewall... and that does not have X. | 01:59 |
| Riddell | Mez: no, I need people to test first! | 01:59 |
| Mez | Riddell: I could backport debhelper :P | 02:00 |
| Riddell | no, changing akode is the way to do it | 02:00 |
| Mez | ;P | 02:00 |
| Mez | Riddell: do you want me to upload a deb for it too ? | 02:01 |
| Riddell | you can't, it's in main | 02:01 |
| Riddell | give me a debdiff | 02:01 |
| Mez | Riddell ... ? | 02:02 |
| Mez | I mean to where i uploaded the stuff before | 02:02 |
| Mez | http://ubuntu.dev.sourceguru.net/konversation/ | 02:02 |
| Mez | did you want me to upload a .deb to there | 02:02 |
| Riddell | alreay have one http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/konversation_0.19-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do you still need people testing that deb, or is it about to go into dapper anyway? | 02:05 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I need people to test | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | sure | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | testing for what, in particular? | 02:08 |
| Mez | Riddell: anything changed from the source I sent you? | 02:08 |
| === Hobbsee gets nervous - X updates.... | ||
| Hobbsee | testing... | 02:10 |
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| _mez | I still dont like the look of it | 02:11 |
| Riddell | tabs don't scale | 02:11 |
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| _mez | ...? | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | ack! | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | who put the tabs on top??? | 02:12 |
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| _mez | lol | 02:13 |
| === Hobbsee cannot cope with that after midnight... | ||
| Hobbsee | lol | 02:13 |
| JRe | Hobbsee: it's the new default of konversation | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | fair enough | 02:13 |
| _mez | lol | 02:13 |
| _mez | It's not v nice | 02:13 |
| === _mez doesnt like it | ||
| === Hobbsee thinks it will confuse people | ||
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| _mez | Hobbsee: *shrugs* | 02:14 |
| _mez | It's weird I grant | 02:14 |
| JRe | Hobbsee: the good point it's that it's a one line patch | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | ah...nice! it makes a lot of the tabs shorter. means i can see more chats at once! | 02:14 |
| _mez | but I always have it at the side in xchat ;) | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | true | 02:14 |
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| JRe | Hobbsee: usefull patch too could be the change of akgregator default feeds | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | true, to not have so many? | 02:15 |
| === _mez likes the fact it joins #kubuntu by default ;) | ||
| JRe | Hobbsee: yes and moreover we could add the default ubuntu feeds | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:15 |
| JRe | Hobbsee: like kubuntu.org one | 02:15 |
| === Hobbsee notices she doesnt have teh kubuntu.org feed | ||
| Riddell | I have tabs on bottom by default | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | hang on, yes i do | 02:16 |
| JRe | Hobbsee: it's pretty usefull to see when a new version of amarok or koffice is released | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | definetly | 02:16 |
| Riddell | JRe: akregator feeds are modified | 02:16 |
| Riddell | i am a fish | 02:17 |
| JRe | Riddell: there is Kubuntu default feeds in it ? | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | a fish hey? hmm... | 02:17 |
| JRe | Riddell: was not the cas on breezy | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | could be kinda hard to attend any meetings that way | 02:17 |
| JRe | Riddell: is there an workgroup which works on default behavior of KDE software (like KubuntuDefaultSettings) ??? | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...more kde upgrades | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | _mez: people should mess around with the configuration options anyway :P - it's a gui, not a text file, so it shouldnt scare them off | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i'm loving how the tabs are all a bit shorter, so that I can have *all* 9+ windows open and showing at once - very much an improvement! | 02:25 |
| Mez | Who was working on kdepim | 02:43 |
| Mez | Riddell: ping | 02:52 |
| hunger | Is there somebody working on making ksysguard compatible with the dapper kernel? | 02:53 |
| Mez | Riddell: that konversation package - slightly cocked up the .diff.gz ;) | 02:54 |
| hunger | Currently some of the sensors are broken that worked in breezy. | 02:54 |
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| Mez | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117414 | 03:11 |
| Riddell | hmm, that'll be what happens when I eave my lapop unattended surrounded by ubuntu developers | 03:17 |
| Riddell | Mez: hmm? | 03:17 |
| Mez | Riddell, where are you then ? | 03:18 |
| Mez | and yeah - frob pointed at that bug - check your email | 03:18 |
| Riddell | london | 03:18 |
| Mez | apparenlty it's like - not fixed iin ubuntu but fixed in debian | 03:18 |
| Mez | ah - you at Canonical HQ for some sprint or other? | 03:18 |
| Riddell | at a hotel, distro sprint | 03:20 |
| Mez | fun - lucky you :D | 03:20 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: whereabouts in London? 8) | 03:38 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: see sounder | 03:41 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: sorry? | 03:42 |
| Riddell | the details are on sounder | 03:42 |
| raphink | I thought canonical HQ were on the isle of Man | 03:42 |
| raphink | ... | 03:42 |
| apokryphos | sounder, what is that? | 03:42 |
| apokryphos | raphink: I'm quite sure it is, too | 03:45 |
| raphink | ;) | 03:45 |
| apokryphos | London is more of a prime location though, I guess 8) | 03:45 |
| apokryphos | it's where sabdfl lives, IIRC | 03:45 |
| raphink | yes | 03:46 |
| raphink | it's not very convenient to meet on the Isle of Man I guess | 03:46 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: sounder is a mailing list | 03:46 |
| Riddell | raphink: the only thing on the isle of man is a bank | 03:46 |
| apokryphos | oh I see | 03:47 |
| raphink | Riddell: you mean no one lives there? There's only a bank? | 03:47 |
| raphink | :s | 03:47 |
| Riddell | raphink: effectively yes | 03:48 |
| jjesse | www.isleofman.com :) | 03:48 |
| raphink | oh interesting | 03:48 |
| apokryphos | oh in Greenwich, not London | 03:48 |
| apokryphos | well, Greater London I guess | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | a lot of companies have address on the isle of man | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | they call it something which i forgot | 03:49 |
| raphink | well it's a fiscal paradise ;) | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | it is | 03:49 |
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| === jsgotangco sould reboot this | ||
| jsgotangco | brb | 03:51 |
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| LeeJunFan | is there any solution in sight for cups/kde with dapper? | 06:29 |
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| Tm_T | Riddell: ok, I try to get some artwork done in next few weeks, anything in high priority? | 06:46 |
| Riddell | don't think so | 06:52 |
| Riddell | although I am looking for more random images for kubuntu.org announcements | 06:52 |
| Tm_T | heh | 06:53 |
| Tm_T | you should use rokymotion, those guys does some magic | 06:53 |
| Riddell | well I do for the amarok stories | 06:57 |
| jjesse | goobuntu? | 06:57 |
| jjesse | did every see that article | 06:57 |
| Riddell | but I'd like kubuntu themed images, anthing off kde-look.org would do | 06:58 |
| Riddell | done at a sensible size to accompan stories on kubuntu.org and with a 1 pixel black border | 06:58 |
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| Riddell | konversation is taking years to upload | 07:48 |
| Riddell | hello luka74 | 07:48 |
| luka74 | hi | 07:51 |
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| luka74 | Riddell: what are the plans in regards to NetworkManager for Kubuntu? Will we get it in Dapper? | 08:04 |
| Riddell | luka74: lots of people seem to be testing it here to varying degrees of success | 08:11 |
| Riddell | I haven't got the knetworkconf frontend in | 08:11 |
| sebas | Riddell: Regarding the shadows on desktopicontext, it seems to change something, but I don't know what I should use as setting there. | 08:12 |
| sebas | Any pointer? | 08:12 |
| Riddell | not sure where I got that from | 08:12 |
| Riddell | possibly the hidden settings page on the wiki? | 08:12 |
| sebas | Is it alright in your setup? | 08:12 |
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| sebas | Riddell: Ah, it was in the [FM] section, while it needed to go into the [Desktop0] section. | 08:21 |
| Riddell | jjesse: goobuntu is nothing interesting | 08:21 |
| jjesse | Riddell: grin i just find it funny | 08:21 |
| Riddell | sebas: really? | 08:21 |
| sebas | Riddell: Yes. | 08:21 |
| sebas | Or I put it there, whatever. | 08:21 |
| sebas | I'll re: your email to explain. | 08:22 |
| jjesse | is 3.5.1 going to be in dapper for good? should i change the releasenotes to reflect that ? | 08:22 |
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| Tm_T | I think even 3.5.2 will be released before dapper release | 08:25 |
| jjesse | as long as 3.5 is mentioned you think it wil lbe good? | 08:26 |
| Tm_T | maybe "3.5 (newest release)" ;) | 08:27 |
| Tm_T | or "newest 3.5" | 08:27 |
| Tm_T | so people understand 3.5 is different than 3.5.0 | 08:27 |
| sebas | Tm_T: Can't the release note be changed at that point? | 08:29 |
| sebas | And ignoring the breezy release, KDE should not be updated after the feature freeze, right? | 08:30 |
| jjesse | sebas: i can easily change the releasenotes to the latest version of 3.5 that is included | 08:30 |
| sebas | (While, regarding the quality of the packages, it's likely to fix more than it breaks.) | 08:30 |
| jjesse | i just like to keep ahead of the game | 08:30 |
| sebas | jjesse: Yes, or to an exact releasenumber right before the release. | 08:30 |
| sebas | You could go as far as "the latest KDE release", which is 3.5 anyway. | 08:31 |
| Tm_T | hehe | 08:32 |
| Tm_T | "March 17th, 2006: Tagging KDE 3.5.2" | 08:32 |
| Tm_T | so 3.5.2 will be released before late april | 08:33 |
| Tm_T | I hope :p | 08:33 |
| Tm_T | and 3.5.2 is mostly bug&translation fixes -> why not to push it to dapper | 08:34 |
| Riddell | tech board meeting in 3 mins | 08:58 |
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| Riddell | LeeJunFan: I damn well hope so | 09:38 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: kde-latest is not 3.5.1 yet? | 09:42 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: no, I haven't published the announce on dot.kde.org yet | 09:43 |
| Tm_T | ok | 09:43 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: adept's in sid | 10:18 |
| Riddell | mornfall: rocking | 10:19 |
| jjesse | mornfall: congrats on that | 10:20 |
| mornfall | thx | 10:21 |
| Riddell | Lathiat: did you hand out CDs at l.c.a? | 10:45 |
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