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[10:58] <Tm_T> kkathman-zzzz: humm, if you have time, we could check that docbook issue tomorrow?
[11:18] <Tm_T> Riddell: deadline(s) for artwork thing?
[11:19] <Riddell> which artwork thing?
[11:19] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseSchedule  user interface freeze  
[11:19] <Riddell>    March 9th
[11:24] <bobesponja>  how can I add w3c validator to the Tools in konqueror like I used to have on my debian kde3.4?
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[12:26] <raphink> hi Riddell 
[12:27] <Riddell> hi raphink 
[12:28] <raphink> how are you?
[12:29] <Riddell> I'm ok thanks
[12:30] <raphink> good
[12:30] <raphink> about kdcop
[12:31] <raphink> my point is that there should be a desktop file for it, even if its turned off
[12:31] <raphink> iirc there's an option to put in the desktop file so it doesnt' appear in the menu
[12:31] <Riddell> hmm, spose so
[12:33] <Riddell> it's really the sort of thing that should be changed n kde not kubuntu, but we can't do that just now
[12:36] <raphink> Riddell: why?
[12:37] <Riddell> well, hassle :)
[12:37] <Riddell> o, why can't change in kde?  because 3.5 is in string freeze and 4 won't have dcop
[12:37] <raphink> 4 won't have dcop?
[12:38] <raphink> what will it have instead?
[12:40] <Riddell> dbus
[12:40] <Riddell> with an luck
[12:40] <Riddell> any luck
[12:41] <raphink> ok :)
[12:43] <Riddell> raphink: you had the generic description in kdcop.desktop
[12:44] <Riddell> Categories is a list and needs to nd in ;
[12:44] <raphink> mhm
[12:45] <raphink> ah
[12:46] <Riddell> adding NoDisplay=true
[12:46] <Riddell> and I'll upload
[12:46] <raphink> ok
[12:47] <raphink> you do the changes?
[12:49] <Riddell> yes
[12:54] <raphink> ok
[01:06] <Riddell> anyone want to try backporting 3.5.1 to ezy?
[01:07] <Riddell> breezy
[01:09] <Mez> Riddell: give me the package URLs to try and I'll start them nicely on tiber
[01:15] <Riddell> mdapper
[01:15] <Riddell> Mez: dapper
[01:16] <Riddell> tiber?
[01:16] <Mez> Riddell: which package names ? I can never remember
[01:16] <Mez> Riddell - tiber.tauware.de
[01:16] <Riddell> gettext-kde, akode, arts, kdelibs, kdebase
[01:16] <Riddell> to start with
[01:17] <Riddell> then follow the iagram on http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/docs/people.html
[01:17] <Mez> do i need to change them for the control file?
[01:17] <Riddell> hopefully not
[01:17] <Riddell> debian/rules has nasty hack for this
[01:17] <Mez> you managed some magic-fu with that :D
[01:18] <Riddell> I tried it, need you to confirm if I managed it :)
[01:18] <Mez>  kdebase_3.5.1-0ubuntu2.diff.gz
[01:18] <Mez> ?
[01:18] <Riddell> yes
[01:19] <Mez> just checking
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[01:19] <Mez> I'll shove all the .debs out on http for you to peruse
[01:20] <Mez> well ...
[01:20] <Mez> you wont be able to download
[01:21] <Mez> have you tried backporting these?
[01:23] <Riddell> yes
[01:23] <Mez> cool cool
[01:23] <Mez> just checking
[01:23] <Riddell> yep
[01:23] <Mez> gonna have fun with this pbuild
[01:24] <Mez> lol :D
[01:24] <Mez> am gonna have to do magic-fu
[01:35] <raphink> Riddell: is konq-kim fine now ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1615
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[01:38] <raphink> yep 
[01:38] <raphink> well locally on tiber ;)
[01:38] <raphink> no?
[01:38] <Mez> Riddell - this magic-fu - will it allow for a changing of the version number ?
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[01:40] <Riddell> Mez: should do
[01:40] <Mez> good to hear :d
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[01:42] <Hobbsee> yay!  a solution to the touchpad bug!
[01:42] <Hobbsee> and it works!
[01:42] <Mez> Riddell: gettext-kde 0.10.35-0ubuntu1 ... ?
[01:43] <Mez> that been updated in dapper for 3.5.1 ?
[01:43] <Mez> last update was 16th Nov
[01:43] <Mez> is it needed to build?
[01:44] <Riddell> it's a build-dep of kdelibs
[01:44] <Mez> ah
[01:44] <Mez> and not in breezy
[01:44] <Riddell> raphink: konq-kim looks fine
[01:44] <raphink> ok :)
[01:44] <raphink> could you upload it?
[01:45] <Riddell> yep
[01:49] <Mez> gettext-kde = build ok
[01:49] <Mez> gettext-kde = install ok
[01:51] <Riddell> konq-kim_0.8.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW
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[01:52] <JRe> Riddell: Keep 0.2.4 with wording correction has been released
[01:52] <Mez> Riddell: at least NEW stuff in ubuntu doesnt take as long as it does in debian
[01:53] <Riddell> JRe: does it do clever thingswhen the directory is invalid?
[01:53] <raphink> thanks Riddell 
[01:53] <raphink> :)
[01:54] <JRe> Riddell: I think yes
[01:54] <Riddell> think :)
[01:54] <Riddell> where can I find it?
[01:54] <JRe> Riddell: rdiff-backup is my back-end
[01:55] <JRe> Riddell: so this kind of problem is directly managed by it
[01:55] <JRe> Riddell: the user don't see anything since I have not implemented yet a notification system
[01:55] <Riddell> yes, my problem was that rdiff-backup on the command line gave a sane erro message but keep didn't
[01:55] <JRe> Riddell: it's true thats currently not implemented
[01:56] <JRe> Riddell: but of course in the TODO list :)
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[01:57] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[01:57] <Riddell> Mez: honk
[01:57] <hunger> ls -alF
[01:57] <Riddell> JRe: hmm, quite a usability problem for me, since it didn't work and I had no idea why not
[01:58] <Mez> Riddell: akode FTSBD in breezy
[01:58] <Riddell> foo
[01:58] <Riddell> why?
[01:58] <Mez> -> Considering  debhelper (>= 5.0)
[01:58] <JRe> Riddell: agreed
[01:58] <Mez>       Tried versions: 4.9.5ubuntu1
[01:58] <Riddell> has anyone tried konversation on dapper?
[01:58] <Mez> dh_compat
[01:58] <Riddell> Mez: oh blah
[01:58] <hunger> Riddell: I have not.
[01:58] <JRe> Riddell: nop there is no amd64 package
[01:58] <Mez> Riddell: :P
[01:58] <hunger> Riddell: IRC-client must be text only here:-(
[01:58] <Riddell> hunger: could you?
[01:59] <Mez> you mean my version ?
[01:59] <Riddell> Mez: yes
[01:59] <Mez> or has it been uploaded now ?
[01:59] <hunger> Riddell: only one box can get IRC through the Firewall... and that does not have X.
[01:59] <Riddell> Mez: no, I need people to test first!
[02:00] <Mez> Riddell: I could backport debhelper :P
[02:00] <Riddell> no, changing akode is the way to do it
[02:00] <Mez> ;P
[02:01] <Mez> Riddell: do you want me to upload a deb for it too ?
[02:01] <Riddell> you can't, it's in main
[02:01] <Riddell> give me a debdiff
[02:02] <Mez> Riddell ... ?
[02:02] <Mez> I mean to where i uploaded the stuff before
[02:02] <Mez> http://ubuntu.dev.sourceguru.net/konversation/
[02:02] <Mez> did you want me to upload a .deb to there
[02:02] <Riddell> alreay have one http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/konversation_0.19-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you still need people testing that deb, or is it about to go into dapper anyway?
[02:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I need people to test
[02:08] <Hobbsee> sure
[02:08] <Hobbsee> testing for what, in particular?
[02:08] <Mez> Riddell: anything changed from the source I sent you?
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[02:10] <Hobbsee> testing...
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[02:11] <_mez> I still dont like the look of it
[02:11] <Riddell> tabs don't scale
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[02:12] <_mez> ...?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> ack!
[02:12] <Hobbsee> who put the tabs on top???
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[02:13] <_mez> lol
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[02:13] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:13] <JRe> Hobbsee: it's the new default of konversation
[02:13] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[02:13] <_mez> lol
[02:13] <_mez> It's not v nice
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[02:14] <_mez> Hobbsee: *shrugs*
[02:14] <_mez> It's weird I grant
[02:14] <JRe> Hobbsee: the good point it's that it's a one line patch
[02:14] <Hobbsee> ah...nice!  it makes a lot of the tabs shorter.  means i can see more chats at once!
[02:14] <_mez> but I always have it at the side in xchat ;)
[02:14] <Hobbsee> true
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[02:14] <JRe> Hobbsee: usefull patch too could be the change of akgregator default feeds
[02:15] <Hobbsee> true, to not have so many?
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[02:15] <JRe> Hobbsee: yes and moreover we could add the default ubuntu feeds
[02:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:15] <JRe> Hobbsee: like kubuntu.org one
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[02:16] <Riddell> I have tabs on bottom by default
[02:16] <Hobbsee> hang on, yes i do
[02:16] <JRe> Hobbsee: it's pretty usefull to see when a new version of amarok or koffice is released
[02:16] <Hobbsee> definetly
[02:16] <Riddell> JRe: akregator feeds are modified
[02:17] <Riddell> i am a fish
[02:17] <JRe> Riddell: there is Kubuntu default feeds in it ?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> a fish hey?  hmm...
[02:17] <JRe> Riddell: was not the cas on breezy
[02:17] <Hobbsee> could be kinda hard to attend any meetings that way
[02:18] <JRe> Riddell: is there an workgroup which works on default behavior of KDE software (like KubuntuDefaultSettings) ???
[02:19] <Hobbsee> mmm...more kde upgrades
[02:20] <Hobbsee> _mez: people should mess around with the configuration options anyway :P - it's a gui, not a text file, so it shouldnt scare them off
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm loving how the tabs are all a bit shorter, so that I can have *all* 9+ windows open and showing at once - very much an improvement!
[02:43] <Mez> Who was working on kdepim
[02:52] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[02:53] <hunger> Is there somebody working on making ksysguard compatible with the dapper kernel?
[02:54] <Mez> Riddell: that konversation package - slightly cocked up the .diff.gz ;)
[02:54] <hunger> Currently some of the sensors are broken that worked in breezy.
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[03:11] <Mez> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117414
[03:17] <Riddell> hmm, that'll be what happens when I eave my lapop unattended surrounded by ubuntu developers
[03:17] <Riddell> Mez: hmm?
[03:18] <Mez> Riddell, where are you then ?
[03:18] <Mez> and yeah - frob pointed at that bug - check your email
[03:18] <Riddell> london
[03:18] <Mez> apparenlty it's like - not fixed iin ubuntu but fixed in debian
[03:18] <Mez> ah - you at Canonical HQ for some sprint or other?
[03:20] <Riddell> at a hotel, distro sprint
[03:20] <Mez> fun - lucky you :D
[03:38] <apokryphos> Riddell: whereabouts in London? 8)
[03:41] <Riddell> apokryphos: see sounder
[03:42] <apokryphos> Riddell: sorry?
[03:42] <Riddell> the details are on sounder
[03:42] <raphink> I thought canonical HQ were on the isle of Man
[03:42] <raphink> ...
[03:42] <apokryphos> sounder, what is that?
[03:45] <apokryphos> raphink: I'm quite sure it is, too
[03:45] <raphink> ;)
[03:45] <apokryphos> London is more of a prime location though, I guess 8)
[03:45] <apokryphos> it's where sabdfl lives, IIRC
[03:46] <raphink> yes
[03:46] <raphink> it's not very convenient to meet on the Isle of Man I guess
[03:46] <Riddell> apokryphos: sounder is a mailing list
[03:46] <Riddell> raphink: the only thing on the isle of man is a bank
[03:47] <apokryphos> oh I see
[03:47] <raphink> Riddell: you mean no one lives there? There's only a bank?
[03:47] <raphink> :s
[03:48] <Riddell> raphink: effectively yes
[03:48] <jjesse> www.isleofman.com :)
[03:48] <raphink> oh interesting
[03:48] <apokryphos> oh in Greenwich, not London
[03:48] <apokryphos> well, Greater London I guess
[03:48] <jsgotangco> a lot of companies have address on the isle of man
[03:49] <jsgotangco> they call it something which i forgot
[03:49] <raphink> well it's a fiscal paradise ;)
[03:49] <jsgotangco> it is
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[03:51] <jsgotangco> brb
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[06:29] <LeeJunFan> is there any solution in sight for cups/kde with dapper?
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[06:46] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, I try to get some artwork done in next few weeks, anything in high priority?
[06:52] <Riddell> don't think so
[06:52] <Riddell> although I am looking for more random images for kubuntu.org announcements
[06:53] <Tm_T> heh
[06:53] <Tm_T> you should use rokymotion, those guys does some magic
[06:57] <Riddell> well I do for the amarok stories
[06:57] <jjesse> goobuntu?
[06:57] <jjesse> did every see that article
[06:58] <Riddell> but I'd like kubuntu themed images, anthing off kde-look.org would do
[06:58] <Riddell> done at a sensible size to accompan stories on kubuntu.org and with a 1 pixel black border
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[07:48] <Riddell> konversation is taking years to upload
[07:48] <Riddell> hello luka74 
[07:51] <luka74> hi
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[08:04] <luka74> Riddell: what are the plans in regards to NetworkManager for Kubuntu? Will we get it in Dapper?
[08:11] <Riddell> luka74: lots of people seem to be testing it here to varying degrees of success
[08:11] <Riddell> I haven't got the knetworkconf frontend in
[08:12] <sebas> Riddell: Regarding the shadows on desktopicontext, it seems to change something, but I don't know what I should use as setting there.
[08:12] <sebas> Any pointer?
[08:12] <Riddell> not sure where I got that from
[08:12] <Riddell> possibly the hidden settings page on the wiki?
[08:12] <sebas> Is it alright in your setup?
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[08:21] <sebas> Riddell: Ah, it was in the [FM]  section, while it needed to go into the [Desktop0]  section.
[08:21] <Riddell> jjesse: goobuntu is nothing interesting
[08:21] <jjesse> Riddell: grin i just find it funny
[08:21] <Riddell> sebas: really?
[08:21] <sebas> Riddell: Yes.
[08:21] <sebas> Or I put it there, whatever.
[08:22] <sebas> I'll re: your email to explain.
[08:22] <jjesse> is 3.5.1 going to be in dapper for good?  should i change the releasenotes to reflect that ?
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[08:25] <Tm_T> I think even 3.5.2 will be released before dapper release
[08:26] <jjesse> as long as 3.5 is mentioned you think it wil lbe good?
[08:27] <Tm_T> maybe "3.5 (newest release)" ;)
[08:27] <Tm_T> or "newest 3.5"
[08:27] <Tm_T> so people understand 3.5 is different than 3.5.0
[08:29] <sebas> Tm_T: Can't the release note be changed at that point?
[08:30] <sebas> And ignoring the breezy release, KDE should not be updated after the feature freeze, right?
[08:30] <jjesse> sebas: i can easily change the releasenotes to the latest version of 3.5 that is included
[08:30] <sebas> (While, regarding the quality of the packages, it's likely to fix more than it breaks.)
[08:30] <jjesse> i just like to keep ahead of the game
[08:30] <sebas> jjesse: Yes, or to an exact releasenumber right before the release.
[08:31] <sebas> You could go as far as "the latest KDE release", which is 3.5 anyway.
[08:32] <Tm_T> hehe
[08:32] <Tm_T> "March 17th, 2006: Tagging KDE 3.5.2"
[08:33] <Tm_T> so 3.5.2 will be released before late april
[08:33] <Tm_T> I hope :p
[08:34] <Tm_T> and 3.5.2 is mostly bug&translation fixes -> why not to push it to dapper
[08:58] <Riddell> tech board meeting in 3 mins
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[09:38] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: I damn well hope so
[09:42] <Tm_T> Riddell: kde-latest is not 3.5.1 yet?
[09:43] <Riddell> Tm_T: no, I haven't published the announce on dot.kde.org yet
[09:43] <Tm_T> ok
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[10:18] <mornfall> Riddell: adept's in sid
[10:19] <Riddell> mornfall: rocking
[10:20] <jjesse> mornfall: congrats on that
[10:21] <mornfall> thx
[10:45] <Riddell> Lathiat: did you hand out CDs at l.c.a?
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