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| theCore | is there someone alive here ? | 06:29 |
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| Tm_T | never | 06:44 |
| theCore | ok then ... | 06:45 |
| theCore | the art team doesn't seem strong | 06:46 |
| Tm_T | true | 06:46 |
| Tm_T | we do need more active users | 06:47 |
| Tm_T | and I need time and money to do some artwork | 06:47 |
| Tm_T | s/users/workers | 06:47 |
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| Tm_T | hi omeg | 10:26 |
| artnay | Tm_T: | 10:27 |
| Tm_T | artnay: | 10:27 |
| artnay | what do you think of wiki? | 10:28 |
| Tm_T | haven't checked | 10:28 |
| Tm_T | and can't now | 10:28 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork | 10:28 |
| artnay | you should | 10:28 |
| Tm_T | I will when I'm home | 10:29 |
| artnay | where is klepas... the meeting will be held soon and there's no agenda yet :| | 10:36 |
| artnay | do you guys want to help with that? | 10:36 |
| Tm_T | cant | 10:45 |
| Tm_T | I afraid | 10:45 |
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| buggzero | o.0? | 10:58 |
| Tm_T | exactly | 10:58 |
| buggzero | this place must be full of live ones | 10:58 |
| Tm_T | all dead | 10:59 |
| buggzero | what do you have to do to sign up for this gang | 10:59 |
| Tm_T | just poke artnay for example | 11:03 |
| Tm_T | but dont poke too hard, I'd rahter see him alive | 11:03 |
| buggzero | poke? | 11:03 |
| Tm_T | too much typos, food -> | 11:03 |
| buggzero | what about a tap | 11:03 |
| buggzero | or a prod | 11:04 |
| artnay | buggzero: hello, what's on your mind? | 11:13 |
| artnay | really, no comments on new wiki style? | 11:15 |
| artnay | anyone? | 11:15 |
| buggzero | well | 11:15 |
| buggzero | i read the artwork team todo list doohickey | 11:16 |
| buggzero | i want to sign up? | 11:16 |
| artnay | sure, go ahead | 11:16 |
| buggzero | how does one do that | 11:16 |
| buggzero | im like new to all of this | 11:16 |
| buggzero | well not everything | 11:16 |
| buggzero | linux | 11:16 |
| artnay | AFAIK henrik removed all names from the list | 11:16 |
| artnay | so so... | 11:17 |
| artnay | s/removed/moved | 11:17 |
| artnay | to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam/Members | 11:17 |
| artnay | add yourself there and hang on this channel | 11:17 |
| artnay | feel free to ask any questions | 11:18 |
| buggzero | how do i add myself? | 11:18 |
| artnay | first of all, you need to have an account | 11:19 |
| artnay | I guess there's "signup" in the upper right corner | 11:19 |
| buggzero | oh... so thats what that things for | 11:19 |
| artnay | use that account to access launchpad.net and edit wiki pages | 11:19 |
| buggzero | i figureed you8 were talking about a bank account | 11:20 |
| artnay | you might want to give me your visa verification code :p | 11:20 |
| buggzero | 12345 | 11:23 |
| buggzero | okay but how does one actually take on projects and what not | 11:23 |
| artnay | first thing would be to form a team to do some task | 11:24 |
| artnay | what were you thinking? which projects interest you? | 11:25 |
| artnay | read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/TodoList | 11:26 |
| artnay | adding (project, *buntu) after your name on contact page will make the start easier for each team | 11:27 |
| artnay | don't get disappointed because of the current state | 11:28 |
| artnay | we would need at least 10 active people participating in order to get this process going | 11:28 |
| artnay | glad you found your way here :) | 11:29 |
| artnay | AUC to be wiki-based... why am I a bit skeptic of that? | 11:31 |
| artnay | I think it needs a working rating system, otherwise searching will get complicated when there's lots of contributions | 11:31 |
| artnay | why am I having a monolog here? let's have a discussion :o | 11:33 |
| buggzero | sorry theres a xfiles marathon on hd and its the funny one with alex trabeck | 11:34 |
| artnay | hehe :) | 11:35 |
| buggzero | ok but where does open submit the product | 11:35 |
| buggzero | i mean is it self proclaimed? | 11:35 |
| buggzero | i mean i just want some designs included in the next release i thought that would be pretty bad ass | 11:36 |
| artnay | so you want actually do something? or would like to get what has been done so far? | 11:36 |
| buggzero | yeah it all seems in a little disarray | 11:36 |
| buggzero | what? I want to design, takle some stuff on the todo list | 11:37 |
| artnay | which tasks are you interested in? | 11:37 |
| buggzero | well i come from a print and web backround | 11:37 |
| buggzero | so i would assume splash screens, and the themes and backrounds | 11:38 |
| buggzero | loading screens | 11:38 |
| artnay | background, that would be a necessity | 11:38 |
| buggzero | also the thing about a new fonts | 11:38 |
| buggzero | about a new font | 11:38 |
| artnay | that's a bit more compilated issue | 11:38 |
| artnay | but still it's really something worth of thinking | 11:39 |
| buggzero | well all the fonts i have so far are similar | 11:39 |
| artnay | splash screen is quite good actually, and there has been a few new well done splash screens | 11:39 |
| artnay | so I doubt that it's pretty well covered already, although you can always improve what has been done or create a new one | 11:39 |
| artnay | if you ask me, there are a few tasks that we should focus on | 11:40 |
| artnay | unify Usplash, GDM and desktop (this includes colours and shapes) | 11:40 |
| buggzero | are you like the leader, high chief? | 11:40 |
| artnay | not that I know :) | 11:41 |
| artnay | but I guess I'm one of the most active ones involved in this process | 11:42 |
| artnay | so those weren't facts, just my opinions | 11:42 |
| artnay | well not just mine, actually ubuntu devs want to keep the current or at least similiar to current Usplash theme | 11:43 |
| buggzero | well ill take them as facts | 11:43 |
| buggzero | okay keep in mind im new to ubuntu so whast the u splash? | 11:43 |
| artnay | are you running ubuntu? have you booted ubuntu? | 11:43 |
| buggzero | yeah im running it | 11:43 |
| buggzero | wait | 11:44 |
| artnay | ok, so it's the process that starts after grub | 11:44 |
| buggzero | thats the one with the four flag like squares | 11:44 |
| artnay | when kernel is loading, there's some brown text that tells you what's happening on your system | 11:44 |
| buggzero | yeah the loader | 11:44 |
| artnay | yep, the one that's active before the high colour graphical greeter (login manager) | 11:45 |
| buggzero | allright so they want a new one? | 11:45 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork | 11:45 |
| artnay | actually I think people are quite happy with the current one | 11:46 |
| artnay | as it is used in gfxboot as well | 11:46 |
| buggzero | 14 colors! | 11:46 |
| artnay | I know, framebuffer is the limit here | 11:46 |
| artnay | it has to be so it works well on the most hardware configurations | 11:47 |
| buggzero | well i always thought it would be cooler if the logo was the loading progress | 11:47 |
| artnay | there's alternatives to usplash, but they leave a nice share of computers with error msgs etc. | 11:47 |
| artnay | so by default ubuntu will use usplash, it can be changed after the installation | 11:48 |
| buggzero | well so waht if we stick with uspash's code but just changed the img? | 11:48 |
| artnay | what do you mean by logo being the loading process? | 11:48 |
| buggzero | instead of a rectangle being filled left to right | 11:49 |
| buggzero | the logo gets colored in a circular fashion | 11:49 |
| artnay | then people would focus on ubuntu text, not the logo actually | 11:50 |
| buggzero | well just thinking of something different | 11:50 |
| artnay | true, that's more than welcome | 11:50 |
| artnay | or then we could use icons instead of the progress bar, sort os x way | 11:50 |
| buggzero | i mean its a loading screen, so someting more entertaining is always interesting | 11:51 |
| artnay | but I don't see that happening | 11:51 |
| buggzero | well when gnome loads it shows icons | 11:51 |
| artnay | I get your point, but it's extremely dangerous to play with the logo in a process like that | 11:51 |
| artnay | what if something fails? it leaves you with "half ubuntu" :) | 11:51 |
| artnay | and fallbacks to command line | 11:52 |
| buggzero | ubuntu OG's will be awestruck across the globe | 11:52 |
| artnay | OG? :o | 11:52 |
| buggzero | origninal gangster | 11:52 |
| artnay | hah ;) | 11:53 |
| buggzero | i mean i think back to windows 98 | 11:54 |
| buggzero | where we took the orignal loader | 11:54 |
| artnay | isn't xp still using low colours as well? | 11:54 |
| buggzero | and we made and xwing and a tie figher in combat, and used the lazer blasts as the progress bar | 11:54 |
| buggzero | yeah its only like 24 colors or something | 11:55 |
| artnay | have you tried other distros? some use kernel hacks that allow the use of high colour images | 11:55 |
| buggzero | screw other distros | 11:55 |
| artnay | hehe :) | 11:55 |
| buggzero | ubuntu is the first one ive really liked | 11:55 |
| buggzero | i hate kde | 11:55 |
| buggzero | plus all the pros i know they use debian | 11:55 |
| buggzero | so this was the middle ground | 11:55 |
| artnay | I've been quite happy with ubuntu, although dapper is showing some really unpleaseant changes | 11:55 |
| buggzero | im just glad to give microsoft the finger | 11:55 |
| buggzero | well if we control the art maybe we can bring down this tyranny | 11:56 |
| buggzero | what are they proposing that is so bad? | 11:57 |
| artnay | for me XP has worked technically quite well (although it has been limiting my use), I'm not using MS products home because of their business practices | 11:57 |
| buggzero | yeah it seems like its getting more and more invasion of privacy, using linux is the new fashion statment | 11:58 |
| artnay | umh, mainly their monopoly is what causes headaches to me | 11:58 |
| buggzero | yeah i mean they have the boardwalk, park place, the railroads | 11:59 |
| artnay | many things, like not publicizing protocols, patenting fat after a long time, not supporting open standards, doing things MS way or the highway etc etc | 11:59 |
| buggzero | so whats looking down about dappy | 12:00 |
| artnay | oh, the negative parts? | 12:00 |
| buggzero | yeah | 12:00 |
| artnay | you should try flight 3 so you would know | 12:01 |
| buggzero | flight 3? | 12:01 |
| artnay | I know it's a development version, but there's many things that won't most probably be ready before dapper | 12:01 |
| artnay | look at the gnome-screensaver and gnome-xchat for instance | 12:01 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3 | 12:02 |
| buggzero | someone told me downloading dapper now would break your shit | 12:02 |
| artnay | try live CD instead | 12:02 |
| artnay | I was using dapper on my desktop machine before it broke down | 12:02 |
| artnay | the machine itself, well so did dapper :) | 12:03 |
| buggzero | what the hell some of their new menus look ugly as hell | 12:04 |
| artnay | ethernet was lost and my computer kept rebooting every 30 sec or so | 12:04 |
| artnay | so I didn't have time to fix it | 12:04 |
| buggzero | gnome-xchat UGH | 12:04 |
| buggzero | thats a bummer | 12:04 |
| artnay | and the logout icon in panel | 12:05 |
| buggzero | well were the damn art group, dont we have a say to pimp slap some of this stuff? | 12:05 |
| artnay | I think that a button that is used once per session shouldn't be placed in gnome-panel that way | 12:05 |
| artnay | sure we do | 12:06 |
| artnay | those changes just happened, we really didn't know anything before it just happened | 12:06 |
| artnay | so it would be great if we did the artwork job and the coders could focus on, umh, code | 12:06 |
| artnay | oh yeah, the main priorities... background, icon set, metacity theme | 12:08 |
| artnay | at least those tasks should be done for dapper | 12:08 |
| buggzero | well thats good to hear | 12:09 |
| buggzero | metacity? | 12:13 |
| artnay | that's the one drawing window decorations, buttons there etc. | 12:13 |
| artnay | http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0 | 12:14 |
| artnay | there's some metacity themes, pick a suitable one for dapper x) | 12:14 |
| artnay | I'd go with unity-no-red | 12:14 |
| buggzero | metacity is the window style? | 12:16 |
| artnay | yep | 12:16 |
| buggzero | i like the pixel looks | 12:17 |
| buggzero | the unity one is decent, i dont see the no red one | 12:17 |
| buggzero | but i hate the picture backround for terminal | 12:18 |
| artnay | just image the same decorations without close button being red | 12:18 |
| artnay | I guess it's not terminal background, terminal is just using fake transparency so it's actually desktop background that is visible | 12:19 |
| buggzero | i like the rectangular buttons | 12:20 |
| buggzero | those are sweet | 12:20 |
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| artnay | hey manu :) | 12:20 |
| lmanul | artnay: hey :) | 12:20 |
| artnay | so we'll have a meeting on the 2nd | 12:20 |
| artnay | are you able to attend? | 12:20 |
| buggzero | feb 2nd? | 12:20 |
| artnay | 23 UTC | 12:20 |
| artnay | henrik just changed the whole layout of artwork wiki | 12:21 |
| lmanul | Hmm, yeah sure | 12:21 |
| artnay | as time is running out, we need to discuss the main priorites and form teams to do separate tasks | 12:21 |
| lmanul | I probably won't stay for ages (that's pretty late in my time zone), but I'll come, no problem | 12:21 |
| artnay | yep, it's 01 AM here then :o | 12:21 |
| lmanul | I'm not sure I'll get some time to contribute a lot though... | 12:22 |
| artnay | I suggest that we'd focus on background, icon set and metacity theme | 12:22 |
| artnay | everythis else is (needed) extra | 12:22 |
| buggzero | well i got nothing but time | 12:22 |
| lmanul | But I'll be glad to attend the meeting, listen, and give my opinion if needed | 12:22 |
| lmanul | buggzero: now that's rare :) | 12:22 |
| buggzero | well WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT IM A LOOSER | 12:23 |
| buggzero | im just... generally free | 12:23 |
| buggzero | for the time being | 12:23 |
| lmanul | buggzero: I'm definitely not saying that | 12:23 |
| artnay | buggzero: in case you didn't know, manu is responsible for the new logout dialog https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3#head-8d8b3cb6bca3949852d30fbd7acc89ed3dfc846e | 12:23 |
| lmanul | buggzero: I would be glad to have nothing but time ! :) | 12:23 |
| artnay | time and a working computer *sigh* | 12:24 |
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| lmanul | New logout dialog, new panel "add to" dialog, new separator for the panel, etc. | 12:24 |
| artnay | mhz, hey mate | 12:24 |
| lmanul | I'm making everything anew :-p | 12:24 |
| artnay | lmanul: yep, but what interests us are the new icons | 12:24 |
| artnay | oh, comments on those | 12:24 |
| buggzero | wait wait the one with the icons or the one that says ABOUT gnome | 12:25 |
| artnay | the door scheme you're using in logout icon... don't you think green is a bit too friendly for that kind of action? :o | 12:25 |
| mhz | hay artnay | 12:25 |
| artnay | I'd suggest to stay in a red colour, just as it is at the moment | 12:25 |
| artnay | maybe making it more up-to-date, just an idea | 12:26 |
| artnay | I was thinking something like this: http://f.unk.fi/~artnay/logout.png | 12:26 |
| artnay | but it should use ubuntu palette | 12:26 |
| artnay | mhz: so wiki got renewed, what do you think of change? | 12:27 |
| buggzero | allright i have to get out of here for now | 12:27 |
| buggzero | artnay: a pleasure talking with you | 12:27 |
| artnay | buggzero: you too. | 12:27 |
| buggzero | you'll see more of me around | 12:27 |
| artnay | excellent. take care! | 12:28 |
| artnay | mhz: the wiki structure completely ignores different *buntu flavours | 12:28 |
| mhz | lol | 12:28 |
| artnay | and I'm really not into AUC being wiki-based... I think wiki isn't suitable for that kind of work | 12:29 |
| mhz | yup, i guess i agree with you | 12:29 |
| artnay | it lacks important functions and it might get complicated to navigate | 12:29 |
| mhz | artnay: what 'renewed' wiki? | 12:29 |
| artnay | ^ topic | 12:29 |
| artnay | /Artwork | 12:30 |
| artnay | now it's missing edubuntu and xubuntu completely | 12:30 |
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| artnay | well they can be found, but they should be provided on the first sight | 12:32 |
| artnay | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork lacks vital information, I think | 12:32 |
| artnay | I haven't replied to ML because I wanted to discuss of it here on IRC first | 12:33 |
| artnay | lmanul: are you now mostly coding? can community expect new icons from you? :) | 12:34 |
| artnay | mhz: oh yeah, we have to prepare before the meeting! | 12:35 |
| artnay | mhz: want to help with that one? | 12:35 |
| mhz | well, artnay, maybe adding "you may find artwork related to Edubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu" at Offcial Artwork section could do the job | 12:35 |
| artnay | why is it official? | 12:36 |
| mhz | i dont know | 12:36 |
| artnay | I mean, they're using different backgrounds, icon sets etc. | 12:36 |
| mhz | you should ask Henrik about it | 12:36 |
| artnay | take edubuntu for an example | 12:36 |
| artnay | I guess text official refers to logos | 12:36 |
| artnay | but it should cover a lot more than that | 12:36 |
| mhz | yup | 12:37 |
| artnay | and somehow we should also link to ubuntu marketing as they have web banners etc. | 12:37 |
| mhz | absolutely right | 12:37 |
| artnay | so to me the wiki change seems to be a bit rushed... no offense. | 12:37 |
| artnay | we did some work but we never got it finished as there were no comments or people helping with that | 12:37 |
| mhz | then, Henrik is the person you probably need to talk to as he made the changes | 12:38 |
| mhz | artnay: when that happens, and you feel you need to move on, just move on and the "rest will follow" | 12:38 |
| artnay | 13:39 [freenode] (*) There is no such nick hno73 | 12:38 |
| artnay | :( | 12:38 |
| mhz | artnay: yo have his email? | 12:39 |
| mhz | need it? | 12:39 |
| artnay | mhz: sure | 12:39 |
| artnay | I have it | 12:39 |
| artnay | but, umh, maybe that should be discussed on ML | 12:39 |
| artnay | as he doesn't seem to be on IRC | 12:39 |
| mhz | henrik@ubuntu.com | 12:39 |
| mhz | oh, you got it | 12:39 |
| artnay | it would be great if he had time to be here | 12:39 |
| artnay | but let's hope he'll be present in the meeting | 12:40 |
| mhz | ML is good but tell people "we need to get this to discussion before thursday" | 12:40 |
| artnay | because that's something artwork team was really lacking, input from canonical | 12:40 |
| mhz | if discussion never arises, then just move on and talk to Henrik | 12:40 |
| mhz | ;) | 12:40 |
| lmanul | artnay: about the logout icon color, the main idea of the dialog is to make each icon's color different from the others (logout=green, shutdown=red, suspend=orange, hibernate=blue, restart=purple) | 12:41 |
| artnay | lmanul: sure, but the shapes will give the idea as well | 12:41 |
| mhz | artnay: even at edubuntu I have same issues regarding artwork. We still have no clue what the "hired designers" will/are doing | 12:41 |
| artnay | mhz: there are no hired designers, I discussed with a few canonicals | 12:41 |
| lmanul | artnay : right, shapes + color is more powerful IMHO than shapes or colors alone | 12:42 |
| mhz | so, I thought I would have some guidelines regarding GTK tweaking and Wallpapers stuff, and icons, but in the end it seems that I will have to move on based on my own ideas ;0 | 12:42 |
| artnay | lmanul: have you tested how that green door blends to gnome-panel? | 12:43 |
| artnay | it must be used there as well IMHO | 12:43 |
| artnay | lmanul: you had a chat with tango devs concerning the icons, right? | 12:44 |
| lmanul | artnay: yes | 12:44 |
| lmanul | The icons are mainly tango style | 12:44 |
| artnay | what about sleep and hibernate icons? I think there should be a small change between those | 12:44 |
| lmanul | yeah, it would be great | 12:45 |
| artnay | not just the colour | 12:45 |
| lmanul | But finding a good concept is not easy | 12:45 |
| lmanul | The "Zzz" idea doesn't quite work | 12:45 |
| artnay | I know :) | 12:45 |
| artnay | no it doesn't | 12:45 |
| lmanul | hehe :) | 12:45 |
| artnay | neither does a door with recycle icon etc. | 12:45 |
| lmanul | a door with recycle icon ? | 12:46 |
| artnay | lmanul: you, sort of restart icon (two arrows reflecting the door) | 12:59 |
| artnay | it was just an idea I had, but since you came up with those icons, I thought they were pretty decent and we could work on those | 01:00 |
| artnay | you... yeah I meant to say | 01:00 |
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