=== theCore [n=ubuntu@Toronto-HSE-ppp3776610.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === miketech [n=miketech@dslb-084-056-227-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === theCore [n=ubuntu@Toronto-HSE-ppp3776610.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:29] is there someone alive here ? [06:44] never [06:45] ok then ... [06:46] the art team doesn't seem strong [06:46] true [06:47] we do need more active users [06:47] and I need time and money to do some artwork [06:47] s/users/workers === omeg [n=omega@h8441190238.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === derek[] [n=derek@59.95.103.99] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === derek[] [n=derek@59.95.103.99] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] [10:26] hi omeg [10:27] Tm_T: [10:27] artnay: [10:28] what do you think of wiki? [10:28] haven't checked [10:28] and can't now [10:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork [10:28] you should [10:29] I will when I'm home [10:36] where is klepas... the meeting will be held soon and there's no agenda yet :| [10:36] do you guys want to help with that? [10:45] cant [10:45] I afraid === buggzero [n=buggzero@71-211-47-33.clsp.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:58] o.0? [10:58] exactly [10:58] this place must be full of live ones [10:59] all dead [10:59] what do you have to do to sign up for this gang [11:03] just poke artnay for example [11:03] but dont poke too hard, I'd rahter see him alive [11:03] poke? [11:03] too much typos, food -> [11:03] what about a tap [11:04] or a prod [11:13] buggzero: hello, what's on your mind? [11:15] really, no comments on new wiki style? [11:15] anyone? [11:15] well [11:16] i read the artwork team todo list doohickey [11:16] i want to sign up? [11:16] sure, go ahead [11:16] how does one do that [11:16] im like new to all of this [11:16] well not everything [11:16] linux [11:16] AFAIK henrik removed all names from the list [11:17] so so... [11:17] s/removed/moved [11:17] to this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam/Members [11:17] add yourself there and hang on this channel [11:18] feel free to ask any questions [11:18] how do i add myself? [11:19] first of all, you need to have an account [11:19] I guess there's "signup" in the upper right corner [11:19] oh... so thats what that things for [11:19] use that account to access launchpad.net and edit wiki pages [11:20] i figureed you8 were talking about a bank account [11:20] you might want to give me your visa verification code :p [11:23] 12345 [11:23] okay but how does one actually take on projects and what not [11:24] first thing would be to form a team to do some task [11:25] what were you thinking? which projects interest you? [11:26] read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/TodoList [11:27] adding (project, *buntu) after your name on contact page will make the start easier for each team [11:28] don't get disappointed because of the current state [11:28] we would need at least 10 active people participating in order to get this process going [11:29] glad you found your way here :) [11:31] AUC to be wiki-based... why am I a bit skeptic of that? [11:31] I think it needs a working rating system, otherwise searching will get complicated when there's lots of contributions [11:33] why am I having a monolog here? let's have a discussion :o [11:34] sorry theres a xfiles marathon on hd and its the funny one with alex trabeck [11:35] hehe :) [11:35] ok but where does open submit the product [11:35] i mean is it self proclaimed? [11:36] i mean i just want some designs included in the next release i thought that would be pretty bad ass [11:36] so you want actually do something? or would like to get what has been done so far? [11:36] yeah it all seems in a little disarray [11:37] what? I want to design, takle some stuff on the todo list [11:37] which tasks are you interested in? [11:37] well i come from a print and web backround [11:38] so i would assume splash screens, and the themes and backrounds [11:38] loading screens [11:38] background, that would be a necessity [11:38] also the thing about a new fonts [11:38] about a new font [11:38] that's a bit more compilated issue [11:39] but still it's really something worth of thinking [11:39] well all the fonts i have so far are similar [11:39] splash screen is quite good actually, and there has been a few new well done splash screens [11:39] so I doubt that it's pretty well covered already, although you can always improve what has been done or create a new one [11:40] if you ask me, there are a few tasks that we should focus on [11:40] unify Usplash, GDM and desktop (this includes colours and shapes) [11:40] are you like the leader, high chief? [11:41] not that I know :) [11:42] but I guess I'm one of the most active ones involved in this process [11:42] so those weren't facts, just my opinions [11:43] well not just mine, actually ubuntu devs want to keep the current or at least similiar to current Usplash theme [11:43] well ill take them as facts [11:43] okay keep in mind im new to ubuntu so whast the u splash? [11:43] are you running ubuntu? have you booted ubuntu? [11:43] yeah im running it [11:44] wait [11:44] ok, so it's the process that starts after grub [11:44] thats the one with the four flag like squares [11:44] when kernel is loading, there's some brown text that tells you what's happening on your system [11:44] yeah the loader [11:45] yep, the one that's active before the high colour graphical greeter (login manager) [11:45] allright so they want a new one? [11:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork [11:46] actually I think people are quite happy with the current one [11:46] as it is used in gfxboot as well [11:46] 14 colors! [11:46] I know, framebuffer is the limit here [11:47] it has to be so it works well on the most hardware configurations [11:47] well i always thought it would be cooler if the logo was the loading progress [11:47] there's alternatives to usplash, but they leave a nice share of computers with error msgs etc. [11:48] so by default ubuntu will use usplash, it can be changed after the installation [11:48] well so waht if we stick with uspash's code but just changed the img? [11:48] what do you mean by logo being the loading process? [11:49] instead of a rectangle being filled left to right [11:49] the logo gets colored in a circular fashion [11:50] then people would focus on ubuntu text, not the logo actually [11:50] well just thinking of something different [11:50] true, that's more than welcome [11:50] or then we could use icons instead of the progress bar, sort os x way [11:51] i mean its a loading screen, so someting more entertaining is always interesting [11:51] but I don't see that happening [11:51] well when gnome loads it shows icons [11:51] I get your point, but it's extremely dangerous to play with the logo in a process like that [11:51] what if something fails? it leaves you with "half ubuntu" :) [11:52] and fallbacks to command line [11:52] ubuntu OG's will be awestruck across the globe [11:52] OG? :o [11:52] origninal gangster [11:53] hah ;) [11:54] i mean i think back to windows 98 [11:54] where we took the orignal loader [11:54] isn't xp still using low colours as well? [11:54] and we made and xwing and a tie figher in combat, and used the lazer blasts as the progress bar [11:55] yeah its only like 24 colors or something [11:55] have you tried other distros? some use kernel hacks that allow the use of high colour images [11:55] screw other distros [11:55] hehe :) [11:55] ubuntu is the first one ive really liked [11:55] i hate kde [11:55] plus all the pros i know they use debian [11:55] so this was the middle ground [11:55] I've been quite happy with ubuntu, although dapper is showing some really unpleaseant changes [11:55] im just glad to give microsoft the finger [11:56] well if we control the art maybe we can bring down this tyranny [11:57] what are they proposing that is so bad? [11:57] for me XP has worked technically quite well (although it has been limiting my use), I'm not using MS products home because of their business practices [11:58] yeah it seems like its getting more and more invasion of privacy, using linux is the new fashion statment [11:58] umh, mainly their monopoly is what causes headaches to me [11:59] yeah i mean they have the boardwalk, park place, the railroads [11:59] many things, like not publicizing protocols, patenting fat after a long time, not supporting open standards, doing things MS way or the highway etc etc [12:00] so whats looking down about dappy [12:00] oh, the negative parts? [12:00] yeah [12:01] you should try flight 3 so you would know [12:01] flight 3? [12:01] I know it's a development version, but there's many things that won't most probably be ready before dapper [12:01] look at the gnome-screensaver and gnome-xchat for instance [12:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3 [12:02] someone told me downloading dapper now would break your shit [12:02] try live CD instead [12:02] I was using dapper on my desktop machine before it broke down [12:03] the machine itself, well so did dapper :) [12:04] what the hell some of their new menus look ugly as hell [12:04] ethernet was lost and my computer kept rebooting every 30 sec or so [12:04] so I didn't have time to fix it [12:04] gnome-xchat UGH [12:04] thats a bummer [12:05] and the logout icon in panel [12:05] well were the damn art group, dont we have a say to pimp slap some of this stuff? [12:05] I think that a button that is used once per session shouldn't be placed in gnome-panel that way [12:06] sure we do [12:06] those changes just happened, we really didn't know anything before it just happened [12:06] so it would be great if we did the artwork job and the coders could focus on, umh, code [12:08] oh yeah, the main priorities... background, icon set, metacity theme [12:08] at least those tasks should be done for dapper [12:09] well thats good to hear [12:13] metacity? [12:13] that's the one drawing window decorations, buttons there etc. [12:14] http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0 [12:14] there's some metacity themes, pick a suitable one for dapper x) [12:14] I'd go with unity-no-red [12:16] metacity is the window style? [12:16] yep [12:17] i like the pixel looks [12:17] the unity one is decent, i dont see the no red one [12:18] but i hate the picture backround for terminal [12:18] just image the same decorations without close button being red [12:19] I guess it's not terminal background, terminal is just using fake transparency so it's actually desktop background that is visible [12:20] i like the rectangular buttons [12:20] those are sweet === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:20] hey manu :) [12:20] artnay: hey :) [12:20] so we'll have a meeting on the 2nd [12:20] are you able to attend? [12:20] feb 2nd? [12:20] 23 UTC [12:21] henrik just changed the whole layout of artwork wiki [12:21] Hmm, yeah sure [12:21] as time is running out, we need to discuss the main priorites and form teams to do separate tasks [12:21] I probably won't stay for ages (that's pretty late in my time zone), but I'll come, no problem [12:21] yep, it's 01 AM here then :o [12:22] I'm not sure I'll get some time to contribute a lot though... [12:22] I suggest that we'd focus on background, icon set and metacity theme [12:22] everythis else is (needed) extra [12:22] well i got nothing but time [12:22] But I'll be glad to attend the meeting, listen, and give my opinion if needed [12:22] buggzero: now that's rare :) [12:23] well WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT IM A LOOSER [12:23] im just... generally free [12:23] for the time being [12:23] buggzero: I'm definitely not saying that [12:23] buggzero: in case you didn't know, manu is responsible for the new logout dialog https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight3#head-8d8b3cb6bca3949852d30fbd7acc89ed3dfc846e [12:23] buggzero: I would be glad to have nothing but time ! :) [12:24] time and a working computer *sigh* === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:24] New logout dialog, new panel "add to" dialog, new separator for the panel, etc. [12:24] mhz, hey mate [12:24] I'm making everything anew :-p [12:24] lmanul: yep, but what interests us are the new icons [12:24] oh, comments on those [12:25] wait wait the one with the icons or the one that says ABOUT gnome [12:25] the door scheme you're using in logout icon... don't you think green is a bit too friendly for that kind of action? :o [12:25] hay artnay [12:25] I'd suggest to stay in a red colour, just as it is at the moment [12:26] maybe making it more up-to-date, just an idea [12:26] I was thinking something like this: http://f.unk.fi/~artnay/logout.png [12:26] but it should use ubuntu palette [12:27] mhz: so wiki got renewed, what do you think of change? [12:27] allright i have to get out of here for now [12:27] artnay: a pleasure talking with you [12:27] buggzero: you too. [12:27] you'll see more of me around [12:28] excellent. take care! [12:28] mhz: the wiki structure completely ignores different *buntu flavours [12:28] lol [12:29] and I'm really not into AUC being wiki-based... I think wiki isn't suitable for that kind of work [12:29] yup, i guess i agree with you [12:29] it lacks important functions and it might get complicated to navigate [12:29] artnay: what 'renewed' wiki? [12:29] ^ topic [12:30] /Artwork [12:30] now it's missing edubuntu and xubuntu completely === mhz checking [12:32] well they can be found, but they should be provided on the first sight [12:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork lacks vital information, I think [12:33] I haven't replied to ML because I wanted to discuss of it here on IRC first [12:34] lmanul: are you now mostly coding? can community expect new icons from you? :) [12:35] mhz: oh yeah, we have to prepare before the meeting! [12:35] mhz: want to help with that one? [12:35] well, artnay, maybe adding "you may find artwork related to Edubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu" at Offcial Artwork section could do the job [12:36] why is it official? [12:36] i dont know [12:36] I mean, they're using different backgrounds, icon sets etc. [12:36] you should ask Henrik about it [12:36] take edubuntu for an example [12:36] I guess text official refers to logos [12:36] but it should cover a lot more than that [12:37] yup [12:37] and somehow we should also link to ubuntu marketing as they have web banners etc. [12:37] absolutely right [12:37] so to me the wiki change seems to be a bit rushed... no offense. [12:37] we did some work but we never got it finished as there were no comments or people helping with that [12:38] then, Henrik is the person you probably need to talk to as he made the changes [12:38] artnay: when that happens, and you feel you need to move on, just move on and the "rest will follow" [12:38] 13:39 [freenode] (*) There is no such nick hno73 [12:38] :( [12:39] artnay: yo have his email? [12:39] need it? [12:39] mhz: sure [12:39] I have it [12:39] but, umh, maybe that should be discussed on ML [12:39] as he doesn't seem to be on IRC [12:39] henrik@ubuntu.com [12:39] oh, you got it [12:39] it would be great if he had time to be here [12:40] but let's hope he'll be present in the meeting [12:40] ML is good but tell people "we need to get this to discussion before thursday" [12:40] because that's something artwork team was really lacking, input from canonical [12:40] if discussion never arises, then just move on and talk to Henrik [12:40] ;) [12:41] artnay: about the logout icon color, the main idea of the dialog is to make each icon's color different from the others (logout=green, shutdown=red, suspend=orange, hibernate=blue, restart=purple) [12:41] lmanul: sure, but the shapes will give the idea as well [12:41] artnay: even at edubuntu I have same issues regarding artwork. We still have no clue what the "hired designers" will/are doing [12:41] mhz: there are no hired designers, I discussed with a few canonicals [12:42] artnay : right, shapes + color is more powerful IMHO than shapes or colors alone [12:42] so, I thought I would have some guidelines regarding GTK tweaking and Wallpapers stuff, and icons, but in the end it seems that I will have to move on based on my own ideas ;0 [12:43] lmanul: have you tested how that green door blends to gnome-panel? [12:43] it must be used there as well IMHO [12:44] lmanul: you had a chat with tango devs concerning the icons, right? [12:44] artnay: yes [12:44] The icons are mainly tango style [12:44] what about sleep and hibernate icons? I think there should be a small change between those [12:45] yeah, it would be great [12:45] not just the colour [12:45] But finding a good concept is not easy [12:45] The "Zzz" idea doesn't quite work [12:45] I know :) [12:45] no it doesn't [12:45] hehe :) [12:45] neither does a door with recycle icon etc. [12:46] a door with recycle icon ? [12:59] lmanul: you, sort of restart icon (two arrows reflecting the door) [01:00] it was just an idea I had, but since you came up with those icons, I thought they were pretty decent and we could work on those [01:00] you... yeah I meant to say === kamstrup [n=kamstrup@0x3e42da90.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === miketech [n=miketech@dslb-084-056-246-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lmanul is now known as lmanul_ === miketech [n=miketech@dslb-084-056-246-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === miketech [n=miketech@dslb-084-056-246-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === lmanul_ is now known as lmanul === omeg [n=omega@h8441190238.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kamstrup [n=kamstrup@0x3e42da90.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === omeg [n=omega@h8441190238.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork