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[10:05] Keybuk: how about WPA? :) [10:05] Keybuk: madwifi-ng? === pitti asks himself if we can make it work with linux-wlan-ng === Treenaks just wants working X (ati on 3 machines: b0rked) [10:05] pitti: n-m, or WPA? [10:05] mjg59: yeah [10:05] Keybuk: Rock [10:05] Treenaks: I don't care about that right now ... a working n-m for the basic usecase is the first goal [10:05] mjg59: I gave up on WPA after fiddling with that on debconf5 for an hour [10:05] we'll deal with cute features later [10:06] mjg59: n-m would be nice [10:06] pitti: So how does it currently fail? [10:06] pitti: please test it! install it from universe [10:06] mjg59: I didn't touch it since some months, I tried it three times in the past and it always wrecked my networking completely [10:06] latest n-m cotd is uploaded? [10:06] pitti: please install it toda [10:07] Keybuk: I'll do it today while you are in my physical range :) [10:07] pitti: otherwise it'll be in main/desktop before you can stop it === stratus [n=stratus@200.216.19.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] pitti: fyi, I've got monolithic selinux policy loaded, modularised policy is still giving me a few issues - but progress is being made :) [10:08] Keybuk: Anyway, it's quite nice when it's working, isn't it? [10:08] Keybuk: We still need to figure out how to deal with the (a) connect on boot and (b) static IP cases === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [n=sivang@193.28.45.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] morning all [10:09] hi all === ajmitch is thankful that no base system changes are needed at the moment for policy to load [10:10] mjg59: leave both to ifup? [10:11] Keybuk: In that case we probably want to add code to nm to avoid it touching interfaces with static configuration [10:12] Or, at least, to tell it to just up them (like netapplet did) rather than anything else [10:12] mjg59: my job, today :) [10:12] Keybuk: Excellent === mvo [n=egon@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.96.122.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] People - it would be massively helpful if you could test gnome-power-manager [10:18] mjg59: installing [can't test from here though, will do tonight] [10:18] Install it and libpam-foreground, log out, log in, run gnome-power-manager and play with it [10:19] is 'fixing X bugs' planned? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === konsumer [n=konsumer@82.100.245.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] mjg59: suspend/hibernate doesn't work with g-p-m here... known problem? === Den [n=Den@north-mesh-wlan-93.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [10:21] slomo: In what way? [10:21] hey slomo [10:21] mjg59: nothing happens ;) [10:21] slomo: did you get my fix for xine-lib? [10:21] fabbione: yes, thanks :) [10:22] slomo: perfect [10:22] slomo: we mighht fix that in the tool chain directly [10:22] so you don't need to worry about that [10:22] slomo: Do you have libpam-foreground installed? [10:23] mjg59: installed it now... i'll test in a few minutes... so that was the problem? [10:24] slomo: If you don't have that, it won't work [10:24] mjg59: ok, thanks... well, i'll report all other bugs i notice to you :) [10:24] You need to log out and in for it to have any effect (alternatively, sudo touch /var/run/console/username:7 [10:25] mjg59: by 'stuff happening', does that include system shutdown? [10:26] once I went to the power settings in preferences [10:26] ajmitch: ? [10:27] mjg59: it was a surprise to me as well [10:27] ajmitch: Uhm. "Stuff happening"? [10:27] ajmitch: No, that certainly shouldn't happen [10:27] mjg59: sorry, I installed both those, touched that file, went to the power settings in preferences [10:28] and it started shutting down - I'm fairly sure I didn't accidentally hit something === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] Which preferences? [10:28] waiting for fsck to finish now (30 mounts) [10:28] power management [10:28] mjg59: works fine, thanks [10:28] slomo: Cool [10:28] under system->preferences [10:28] ajmitch: System/preferences/power management ? [10:28] Right [10:29] No, there's no code in g-p-m to do that [10:29] It never requests a shutdown [10:29] I didn't think it would [10:29] so it must have been something else I did [10:29] Why does inkscape look nothing like any other gtk apps? [10:29] maybe even hitting the power button, it's in an annoying place [10:30] The icons are all tiny [10:30] And the toolbars are draggable even though I've got that switched off [10:32] ...anyone got a usb-2 cable in here? [10:32] Keybuk: usb2-to-? [10:32] standard mini plug [10:33] mjg59: ok, I went to the preferences again & it's shutting down [10:33] so it wasn't a fluke [10:33] mjg59: file bugs :) [10:33] mjg59: (re: inkscape) [10:34] ajmitch: Hrngle rrck. [10:34] one could say that [10:34] Keybuk: I think my USB HD has one... shall I test something? [10:35] ajmitch: Can you do strace -o ~/g-p-m.out gnome-power-preferences from a terminal and then stick the output somewhere? === sivang hugs jbailey for #28640 [10:35] my evo and game are back :) [10:36] hunger: I think he needed it for his camera. I just borrowed him one [10:36] sure, just trying to boot [10:36] hunger: was directed at those physically in the same room as me :) I'm too lazy to go to my hotel room for one :p [10:36] ajmitch: Thanks [10:36] Mithrandir: I suspected something like that but still wanted to offer the limited service I can:-) [10:37] Keybuk: Tried asking around in the real world? ;-) [10:37] hunger: in the middle of the talk, it'd be rude :) === sladen [n=paul@193.28.45.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] Keybuk: I remember once having a chat with 3 guys while I was at an trade show... I told them that I had to run since I was on a trade show and wanted to catch a talk. We discovered at that time that all 4 of us were sitting on the same table in the cafe:-) [10:39] mjg59: bad news is that it only shuts down when run from system->preferences [10:39] Ahhh... the wonders of IRC;-) [10:39] within a second of starting it [10:40] ajmitch: Christ. Fuck knows. [10:40] ajmitch: Running it without strace still doesn't trigger it? [10:40] hmm, battery on this thing sucks [10:40] I'll try that next [10:42] ajmitch: By shuts down, it powers down gracefully or it hard powers off? [10:42] yeah, it triggers it, getting the 'going down for halt' message [10:42] graceful stop [10:42] ajmitch: But not under strace? [10:42] Hnngh. [10:42] I saw I had sudo in there with strace, removing that now [10:42] Ah [10:42] Yeah, it'd behave differently with sudo [10:43] good thing bootup is fast now [10:46] non-DSDT sleep keys won't currently work in g-p-m (this means Toshibas, Sonys, Panasonics and IBMs won't work quite as expected) yet. This will be fixed once I've sorted the final approach with hal upstream. === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] seb128: gnome-games-data takes _forever_ to install due to gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule taking forever. [10:48] yeah, I know, not a lot we can do :/ [10:48] can't gconftool-2 take more than one argument? I guess that could speed it up somewhat? [10:49] Mithrandir, you didnt upgrade gnome-applets-data yet [10:49] applets or games are quite the same [10:49] Mithrandir: yeah, I was looking on that just before the sprint [10:49] ogra: it's still quite fast on my dual 3 GHz Xeon though ;) [10:50] seems that we can do it twice faster by changing gconf-schemas, I need to try some stuff and bug Josselin (who did it for Debian) about it [10:51] mjg59: http://tiber.tauware.de/~ajmitch/gpm2.out.gz [10:56] mdz or seb128 or dholbach or whoever: Would you be okay with using "Critical" severity in Malone to track Blocker bugs, or would you want a separate "Blocker" value? [10:57] as in, release blockers [10:59] severity is enough imho [11:00] if it's easy enough to list all the bugs with that setting and the dapper milestone [11:00] yes, I'm asking about the *values* of severity [11:00] Currently severity has ... Normal, Major, Critical [11:01] Do you need a Blocker on top of that? [11:01] ... Normal, Major, Critical, Blocker [11:01] can you give an example of a critical bug which is not a blocker? [11:02] I don't see a particular need for a separate Blocker === doko [n=doko@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] ok, me neither [11:03] but I couldn't tell if they were distinguished in Bugzilla, because I can't do reports in Bugzilla any more :-) [11:04] ajmitch: Weird. I can't find any reason for that to happen. [11:05] ajmitch: For some reason, gnome-power-preferences seems to crash [11:05] ajmitch: If you move /usr/share/scripts/hal-system-power-shutdown somewhere else, what does it do? [11:07] it doesn't shutdown or appear to crash [11:08] though I get a few warnings on the terminal [11:08] ** (gnome-power-preferences:5717): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to PowerManager Process /usr/bin/gnome-power-manager exited with status 0 [11:11] so ... what's a good video editor? [11:11] need to be able to open files, convert them, maybe cut them and add captions [11:11] mjg59: I suspect it's related to my laptop showing 0% battery, even when on AC [11:11] ajmitch: Ah. Possible. [11:12] ajmitch: broken dsdt? [11:12] Treenaks: acer [11:12] ajmitch: ah.. I know that problem [11:12] ajmitch: Yeah, that'd be it. Right, it needs to be more resiliant to that. [11:12] ajmitch: Even though we should have your machine fixed... [11:12] BenC: (the acpi-ec in the kernel isn't acpi-ec-i2c, so I still can't read battery status, btw) [11:12] Treenaks: ? [11:12] mjg59: I didn't see that patch in the changelog [11:13] ajmitch: No, it's not in yet [11:13] mjg59: my Acer laptop has a buggy DSDT [11:13] Treenaks: Uhm. What does that have to do with acpi-ec? [11:13] mjg59: or a perfectly OK one, actually.. as long as you have a driver to read battery status over I2C [11:13] Treenaks: The acpi-ec driver in the kernel should be the one you need for the smart battery driver to work [11:13] mjg59: I can read battery status over I2C from my ACPI EC device [11:14] Treenaks: You can, or in theory you can? [11:14] mjg59: I could, in Debian using a self-compiled-and-patched kernel using lmsensors [11:14] mjg59: I can't, in current dapper [11:14] mjg59: with stock kernel [11:14] Treenaks: Right, so it's a smart battery [11:14] mjg59: yes [11:14] That /ought/ to be fixed for dapper [11:14] But isn't yet [11:15] I have no test hardware, so it's a pain === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] I'll push a patch to Ben [11:15] mjg59: I do, just shout on IRC if you need testing [11:16] Treenaks: and I thought I did, but I don't :) === doko [n=doko@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] mpt_: the existing severities are sufficient for me === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === storm [i=joel@201.37.99.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] mdz, thanks === kent [n=kent@83.233.144.89] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] siretart: ping? === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- is now known as GmanZZZ [12:16] Kamion, ping === doko [n=doko@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] mantiena-baltix: I asked you to mail me; please stop pinging me on IRC [12:17] Kamion, ok, but if you can, ten please tell me where is changed (set) value of grub-installer/bootdev debconf setting, which is used in grub-installer script (espresso-grub package) :) [12:17] PLEASE MAIL ME [12:17] thank you :) [12:18] Kamion, no problem, I know how to copy/paste from Xchat to mutt ;) [12:18] when you're requesting help from somebody, please in future respect the communications method they ask for [12:20] Kamion, ok, no problems for me, I just think, that if you are not bussy, then maybe for you and me would be to talk here ;) [12:20] I am busy. [12:21] I've told you this multiple times and you've just been obnoxious. [12:21] please, please stop it. === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Kamion, I don't wanna be obnoxious, sorry if I make you any troubles [12:30] weird, the packages python-twisted python2.3-twisted python2.4-twisted, are in loop. every time i upgrade them, they appear as upgradable again. can anyone confirm this? [12:30] segfault: had this yesterday [12:30] segfault: apt-get --purge remove + apt-get install fixed [12:30] treenaks: thanks, will do that === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] fabbione: pong [12:40] siretart: people.fabbione.net/~fabbione/xine.diff [12:41] it's already uploaded, but you have the diff in the meanwhile [12:41] in theory you should run autoreconf [12:41] but it was spitting errors to me [12:42] so i did propagate the changes to configure.ac to configure manually === carlos [n=carlos@84.76.255.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] siretart: slomo did logout too fast this morning for me to give him the patch :) [12:43] hey carlos [12:43] pitti: hi === bonzo [n=bonzo@c-224ee253.615-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] fabbione: thanks :) [12:45] siretart: no pro [12:46] the bug was upstream tho. === bonzo [n=bonzo@c-224ee253.615-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:46] they didn't merge all the changes from David miller [12:47] I'll add that to our xine svn, no problem === herzi [n=herzi@d016149.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] segfault: There are bugs open about this issue. [12:55] hmm, who knows about ogg theora? [12:55] Keybuk: a bit.. [12:56] Keybuk: in what way ? [12:56] I have a $RANDOM_MPEG and want to convert it into a smaller ogg for distributing [12:56] Keybuk: ffmpeg2theora [12:56] and don't know how, trying to brutalise ffmpeg doesn't seem to be working [12:56] Keybuk: mencoder + theora support ?? [12:56] Treenaks: where would I find that? [12:56] Treenaks: purging and reinstalling python-twisted does not make the issue go away for me. [12:56] Keybuk: there is/was a package in debian, but that's very outdated [12:56] ffmpeg -formats claims vorbis and theora [12:57] Output #0, ogg, to 'test.ogg': [12:57] Stream #0.0: Video: 0x0000, yuv420p, 720x576, 25.00 fps, q=2-31, 200 kb/s [12:57] Stream #0.1: Audio: vorbis, 48000 Hz, stereo, 64 kb/s [12:57] Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0 [12:57] zsh: exit 1 ffmpeg -i MOV002.MOD -f ogg -vcodec theora test.ogg [12:57] is my current progress [12:57] Keybuk: http://www.v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/ [01:00] Treenaks: ok, that seems to be working [01:01] Keybuk: it's used by kino (but not packaged properly :( === mvo [n=egon@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] Does anyone else find theora unbearably slow? [01:03] Our amd64 box, with optimised libtheora can't manage more than a few frames per second [01:04] (PAL size video) [01:04] Kinnison: Playing theora files is a bit slow on older computers for me [01:04] Kinnison: it works fine on everything >1GHz (ish) for me [01:04] Treenaks: it was more the encoding than the playback I was complaining about [01:04] Kinnison: oh that.. yeah, encoding a 2-hour video takes 6 hours on my 2GHz machine [01:09] Kinnison: running dapper or breezy? [01:09] Kinnison: guess you haven tried h264/mpeg4 part 10 encoding then ;) [01:09] s/haven/haven't [01:09] Keybuk: breezy, amd64, with self-built theora codecs using all the right optimisation flags [01:10] Yagisan: pardon? [01:10] Kinnison: ooh, on gentoo? :) === Kinnison looks at Treenaks confusedly [01:10] [Tue Jan 31 13:10:31 2006] [notice] Apache/2.2.0 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming normal operations [01:10] fabbione: Fear. [01:10] Kinnison: theora is much faster compared to eg x264 and co [01:11] theora isn't that optimized indeed; one would hope that a fraction of the work going towards tuning free implementations of patent-encumbered codecs would go towards theora instead, but such is life [01:11] Kinnison: www.funroll-loops.org --> hand-optimized is l33t!!! [01:12] Treenaks: Don't accuse me of being a ricer or I'll delete your launchpad account [01:12] [01:12] Muahaha [01:12] Kinnison: is their theora-mmx branch useful? [01:12] Kinnison: How about we accuse you of being a Gentoo user instead? [01:12] Is that better? [01:12] mvo: Umm, I don't think so === Kinnison blanks StevenK [01:13] Awww. [01:13] StevenK: there's a difference ?? I never knew that [01:13] Bwahaha [01:13] Yagisan: Gentoo users are slightly more fanaticial ... [01:16] StevenK: yep. Must never tell them that on the p4 systems, they may get better performance with -OS rather then -O3 due to their puny caches. "hey lets unroll the loops so that they can't fit into the cache and can force mass cache evictions" [01:16] Let's see if burning a DVD is acceptably fast now that DMA is actually turned on. === StevenK grins at Yagisan. [01:17] Yagisan: I suspect most of them think that mass cache evictions only happen on Big Brother. [01:17] StevenK: my eyes! they are burning !! === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-154-231.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] [01:17] /quit brb, cache eviction === Yagisan rips his eyes out. Gentoo + Big Brother - the apocalypse is here !! === StevenK cackles. === StevenK buggers off to bed. [01:20] Night StevenK === drag_behind [n=c@headwear.arach.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] hey anyone awake? [01:23] well I just had a bad problem with a dapper upgrade but I cant be bothered joining the forums [01:23] so just thought Id say here that when upgrading it activated pcmcia services [01:23] which hung my machine [01:23] and kept breaking the booting [01:24] drag_behind: might be a good idea to report the bug at launchpad [01:24] where is that? [01:25] drag_behind: http://www.launchpad.net [01:25] ok will do === drag_behind [n=c@headwear.arach.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === henriquemaia [n=henrique@87-196-79-41.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@pool-68-160-29-190.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] mjg59: Jan 30 10:06:30 localhost su[10251] : PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_fore [01:36] ground.so) [01:36] Jan 30 10:06:30 localhost su[10251] : PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam [01:36] _foreground.so === pitti_ [n=pitti@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] Jan 30 10:06:31 localhost PAM-env[10251] : Unable to open config file: No such fi [01:36] le or directory [01:37] fabbione: Yup? [01:37] If you don't have libpam-foreground installed, that's fairly reasonable === Menoz [n=menoz@host159-44.pool877.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] mjg59: MEH [01:38] fabbione: What do you expect it to do? [01:38] hi all, I have a problem with ubuntu customization, can someone help me? === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] i don't expect standard pam in main to try to use something that is not there by default [01:38] hi [01:38] fabbione: It will be there by default [01:39] You just get some log spew for now. Nothing is broken [01:40] I remember some ubuntu devs talking about an archive where one could find old versions of packages. like: I'm working on merging 1.0-3ubuntu1 and 1.0-4, but 1.0-3 is no longer in Debian. === Menoz [n=menoz@host159-44.pool877.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:40] snapshots.d.n clearly doesn't have all versions === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] what's the name of this archive ? how do I get access to it ? [01:43] lucas: it was snapshots but their disk had issues some months ago and they started from scrash again or something like that [01:44] I thought ubuntu had its own archive of this kind [01:44] no [01:45] Ubuntu has his packages but not the Debian packages we didn't ship [01:45] s/his/its [01:46] mmh, I'm interested in working on this, since it's a requirement for easier collaboration with debian [01:46] (scott's patches sucks when it diffs between very different debian versions) [01:46] I suppose if you had another machine with lots and lots of terabytes of disk you could try to duplicate snapshot.d.n [01:46] can anyone please build mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail for 1.5? :) [01:46] seems a bit pointless, but up to you [01:47] (since you could just as easily have disk issues ...) [01:47] Kamion: depends if those old versions still lived somewhere, I guess [01:47] Kaloz: you don't need to keep all old versions [01:47] Kamion sorry [01:47] just the one which are potentially useful for ubuntu developers [01:48] Cool the python-twisted reinstall bug is gone with the newest version. === hunger closed the bug. [01:48] hunger: yeah, we discussed it here and established the cause [01:49] 0: epochs bad [01:49] Kamion: Great! Thanks for fixing this really annoying issue. [01:50] wasn't me :) [01:50] lucas: yes, blame elmo for the morgue of love lacking the intermediate versions [01:51] Kamion: Well, doko is not around afaict. [01:51] Keybuk: how can I help fix this ? :-) [01:51] lucas: i'm not sure you can [01:51] I don't really understand why the morgue lacks them [01:52] seb128: can you take a quick look at 30147, this one is really ugly [01:52] mmh, can I raise the issue at TB meeting tonight ? [01:52] if you don't have shell access to spohr.debian.org, it's probably unlikely that you'd be able to help [01:52] there's no TB decision to made, is there? [01:52] Launchpad is going down in 20 minutes, which will put the wikis into read only mode as well. Estimated down time is 10 minutes. This is for the regular weekly code and database update. [01:53] lucas: it's a Debian ftpmaster issue surely, not Ubuntu TB [01:53] mdz/Kamion ping [01:53] Mez: hm? [01:53] lucas: if you have a multi-terabyte disk array, and gargantuan amounts of bandwidth, and can build your own equivalent to snapshot.debian.net ... then that would be useful ;) [01:53] Kamion,Keybuk: couldn't Ubuntu have its own archive of "potentially useful" packages ? [01:53] lucas: not retrospectively, no [01:54] we don't need that much space [01:54] *choke*gasp* [01:54] yes, we do [01:54] Kamion: wondering if I can get an OK to sync the latest rar package from debian - contravenes the UVF - but fixes a couple of vulnerabilities in the code [01:54] current_size_of_source_archives * 2 is enough in the worst case [01:54] no, it's not [01:54] herzi: ask to ogra, he maintains that theme [01:54] * 3 maybe [01:54] you need the entire history of source for at least the past year [01:55] ogra: can you take a quick look at 30147? [01:55] though you could opportunistically cull that [01:55] Keybuk: you only need versions on which ubuntu versions are based === ogra looks [01:55] herzi: and the package source is gnome-icon-theme-gartoon [01:55] Mez: UVF exceptions for universe/multiverse go through dholbach rather than being sent to us directly === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] seb128: it's not [01:55] o_o [01:55] there are only two sources called gnome-icon-theme* [01:55] herzi: gartoon [01:55] maybe then [01:55] Mez: read ubuntu-motu@ [01:55] $ apt-cache showsrc gartoon [01:55] Package: gartoon [01:55] Binary: gnome-icon-theme-gartoon [01:55] Kamion: oh poop - sorry got mixed up - thought it was in restricted :D [01:56] very little is in restricted === hunger [n=tobias@p54A632AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] Kamion: apologies - slightly confused [01:56] ~np [01:56] what's the current size of the sources archive ? [01:56] (for one version) [01:57] herzi, will fix that during the day, seems trivial === bronson [n=bronson@pool-68-160-29-190.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [n=sz@p5089EA7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === neuralis_ [n=krstic@hagen.kdb.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] lucas: I think it's 13GB for dapper, although I may have done the sums wrong [02:08] ok, thanks [02:09] so it's not _that_ big [02:09] that's just from zcat ftp/dists/dapper/*/source/Sources.gz and a couple of nasty greps and awks [02:09] i have an infinite loop in an init script, what's the appropriate severity for a bug report? [02:09] critical? [02:09] Try date -d 'next month' [02:09] I've added this as a TB item, saying I'm willing to work on this if ubuntu can provide some disk space somewhere [02:10] off to a meeting now === Lorenzod [n=lorenzod@63.218.103.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lorenzod [n=lorenzod@63.218.103.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@pool-68-160-29-190.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d81-211-236-74.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] in dapper, almost all of the x.org graphic drivers and input drivers are uninstalled by default. which ones do I need to install? [02:49] sorry, wrong channel. === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@wuw-ojr3gmca.dybb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] mjg59: what do I need to touch to avoid logging out? [03:30] Keybuk: /var/run/console/username:vt [03:30] So /var/run/console/keybuk:7 or whatever [03:33] that exists already [03:33] weird [03:39] Implies that you had it installed already === mdz [n=mdz@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] nope [03:43] weird [03:43] I must have done something that caused it to be created === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako__ [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-156-169.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] Keybuk: I could circumvent the kernel oops which killed my keyboard :) [03:48] hiya mako__ [03:49] pitti: oh? === jbailey [n=jbailey@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] hey jeff [03:58] Heya Chuck1 === mvo [n=egon@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] jbailey: thanks for fixing #28640 =) [04:26] bug 28640 [04:26] malone bug 28640 in glibc "libc6 crash on certain UTF8 encoded filename" [Major,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/28640 [04:26] sivang: Does the fix work for you? [04:27] jbailey: wonderfully :) I got my gaim and evo back [04:27] jbailey: couldn't use them before. [04:27] Cool, thanks === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.60.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel === delire [n=delire@p54BCF4D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === delire [n=delire@p54BCF4D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === delire [n=delire@p54BCF4D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] hey dholbach [04:54] hey mdke [04:55] dholbach, what time are you around this evening? [04:55] mdke: I hear rumours of you coming to visit us? [04:55] ouch a lawyer will be visiting that's bad [04:55] mdke: I should be around the whole evening. :) === jsgotangco hides [04:55] haha [04:55] Mithrandir, i hope so [04:55] mdke: \o/ [04:55] i just don't wanna turn up while you're all at dinner or something [04:57] we're eating at around 1930-ish, iirc [04:57]