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mhzrobotgeek: thx. it seems I had not big problems (I thought I had)12:07
robotgeekmhz: no, it was alrite for the most part12:08
mhzcool12:10
mhzi feel better, more confident now, thx12:10
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robotgeekmhz: glad to help12:12
mhzi can readproof spanish :D but that's not a service needed yet (at least, EdubuntuCookbook is still under developement)12:13
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LaserJockhi theCore 12:23
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theCoreLaserJock, hello12:58
LaserJocktheCore: did you see the commit I did yesterday?01:01
theCoreI can't, I had a crash this week after a power failure, and I still waiting for a new hard drive ( I'm currently on a LiveCD )01:03
theCoreSCSI drives are so delicate... 01:04
robotgeeki dunno if my patches have been committed01:06
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LaserJocktheCore: bummer, that really stinks01:07
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LaserJockrobotgeek_work: you can't tell from ubuntu-doc-commit?01:23
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seanSnyderanyone there?01:37
LaserJockyeah01:37
seanSnydercan i ask some technical questions?01:37
LaserJockare they documentation related?01:38
seanSnyderno01:38
seanSnyderwhat channel should i join?01:38
LaserJockthen probably #ubuntu is a  better01:38
seanSnydercoo, thanks01:38
bshumatesepa: try specifying the full path in the system() call, e.g. : system(/sbin/iptables)01:39
bshumate(try specifying the right channel) ;-)01:40
robotgeek_workLaserJock: hmm, it does not show up there, so i think it has not been committed01:45
LaserJockrobotgeek: oh, is that the email with like 5 patches?01:46
robotgeekyeah01:46
LaserJockhmm, if it was a small thing I would do it but I think jjesse would probably be the guy to do it01:47
robotgeekLaserJock: it's just 5 patches, all small :)01:47
LaserJockrobotgeek: done.02:03
LaserJockrobotgeek: gotta go now02:03
robotgeekLaserJock_away: thanks02:03
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mhzhad you seen this 'initiative' ?  http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Software/Linux/registration.asp?ComponentID=312222&SourcePageID=312225#103:24
jsgotangco"if we release drivers matching your requirements"03:26
jsgotangcocanon printers are so expensive though03:27
mhzjsgotangco: well, not in Chile03:34
mhzEpson is more expensive here03:34
jsgotangcoahhh03:34
mhzand Lexmarx is cheap and works okidoki03:34
robotgeekhey jsgotangco 03:34
mhzjsgotangco: I finally got a PDF from the Education Magazine that issued my article on Edubuntu in December. It's in spanish so I wikied to ubuntu-cl.org  but do you think this should also be wikied in ubuntu ?03:34
mhz(they printed 5000)03:34
mhz(and it is distributed in schools for free)03:34
jsgotangcosure03:36
LaserJockrobotgeek: did my commit work for you? I just changed one tiny thing03:37
robotgeekLaserJock: seemed to have worked, i changed a few more things again. 03:38
robotgeekthanks for the commit03:39
LaserJockhopefully I don't get flogged for it ;-)03:39
robotgeekLaserJock: ah, no. it only messes with kubuntu desktop guide, so no i issues i think03:40
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LaserJockrobotgeek: well, if you need more patches tonight I will be away for about an hour and then I can do some more if you like03:42
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robotgeekLaserJock: no, i think i'll hold on for a while, and complete this chapter03:43
LaserJockrobotgeek: ok, np03:43
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Burgundaviaok, C just emailed me about 1 min ago to ask if I had started writing yet. I just got home 1 min ago. Bloody telepathic gf04:36
robotgeekhey Burgundavia , writing what?04:36
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Burgundaviarobotgeek, an article on Ubuntu04:37
robotgeekBurgundavia: nice04:37
robotgeeki just moved to kubuntu, removed ubuntu. let's see how it goes :)04:38
Burgundaviagah, lost another one04:38
robotgeekmost since i'm writing the desktop guide :)04:39
Burgundaviabah, Kubuntu ;)04:40
robotgeekthe most irritating behaviour in gnome is that of rhyhtmbox, when you click the "x" button, it doesn't go to systray like rest of the apps (gaim, etc). it closes04:41
robotgeeki could quit ubuntu for that one reason!04:41
Burgundaviaactually, that is a bug in gaim, not rb04:41
Burgundaviaclicking X should close04:42
robotgeekBurgundavia: that's the systray plugin in gaim04:42
Burgundaviaregardless, any X should close the application04:42
robotgeeki prefer the move to systray thing. 04:42
robotgeekand hence, i use kde :)04:43
Burgundaviathat an example of why I don't use KDE. Crazy defaults04:43
Burgundaviacreate another button for minimzing, don't overload the exit one04:43
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robotgeekwho ever quits their audio player? :)04:44
Burgundaviawhen they want to shutdown?04:44
Burgundaviaor change tasks?04:44
robotgeeki guess we will end up arguing over personal preferences, let's leave it as it is :)04:45
Burgundaviaactually, it is not about personal preferences04:45
Burgundaviait is looking at good defaults04:45
robotgeeki happen to like kde's default behaviour better04:46
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LaserJockhi theCore 05:27
theCorehello!05:27
theCoredid you worked on the packaging guide?05:28
LaserJockyes, a little bit. I added a skeleton of the structure. Not really any content but it gives us more of an outline.05:29
theCorewill try to check out just the packaging guide05:32
LaserJockyeah, doc.ubuntu.com has been updated since I did it05:33
theCoreoh, you fixed the license 05:38
LaserJockyes05:39
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LaserJocktheCore: so what do you think of my changes?05:54
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theCoreLaserJock, it is quite good05:55
LaserJocktheCore: I changed it slightly from what is on UbuntuPackagingGuide but I think it will work better05:55
theCoreLaserJock, ok I got a checkout06:02
LaserJocktheCore: great, just the packaging guide?06:03
theCoreyep06:04
theCoreshould we keep Ankur Kotwal as the creator of the guide ?06:06
jsgotangcoyou can probably have it as original author06:07
jsgotangcobrb reboot06:07
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LaserJocktheCore: I thought I took him off, but I'm not sure what to do about authorship06:08
LaserJocktheCore: oh, are you talking about the .omf file?06:10
theCoreyes06:10
theCorecan I add myself as a contributor ?06:11
LaserJockhmm, yes. I need to fix some stuff in there. The license is wrong too06:11
theCoreI fixed it06:12
theCoreI going to sent it to you but, anyway ...06:12
LaserJockthe ok fine06:13
theCorewhat do you use for editing the .xml ?06:14
theCorevi ?06:14
LaserJockvim actually06:15
LaserJockI do a lot of editing from home so I need good CLI tools06:15
theCorevi and vim is quite the same ;) 06:15
theCoreon ubuntu at least06:16
jsgotangcohas anyone experienced installing from a hard drive?06:20
theCorejsgotangco, what do you mean 06:22
jsgotangcoinstead of using a CD, you boot from a HD to install06:22
jsgotangcofedora has this06:23
jsgotangcobut ubuntu doesn't06:23
theCoreit's the same as a cd isn't it ?06:23
jsgotangcowell you can't just dump an iso to a drive then boot06:23
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LaserJocktheCore: ok, just commited some changes to bookinfo and the .omf06:39
theCoregreat, now I doesn't have anything to send you ;P06:42
LaserJockwell get to work then ;-)06:44
theCoreI will try to work on some intro stuff tomorrow 06:44
theCorebut I need to go bed, cya later06:47
LaserJockme too cya 06:47
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=== crimsun reads DocumentationTeam/Projects
LaserJockI don't know if that is very updated06:53
crimsunhaven't gotten to https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos yet, 'tis all06:54
LaserJockhmm, what do you guys think about this email to -doc about having the server documentation readable from a console (non-GUI)?06:56
crimsunsounds like a great idea, actually06:57
crimsunwhat format?06:57
LaserJockI don't know06:58
LaserJockbut I got to thinking. A lot of people wouldn't necessarily have yelp or a browser around (except maybe lynx or something similar) if they are doing a server install06:59
LaserJockcrimsun: if you have a minute could you look over http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html07:08
crimsunLaserJock: it's loaded, I'm just reading the instructions for svn07:09
crimsunI gotta learn the patch submission process ;-)07:09
LaserJockjust use svn diff and send the patches to the mailing list07:11
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LaserJockhmm, do you think we could make man pages for the server install. I wonder if something like docboock2x-man would work07:35
crimsunI was going to suggest man pages, heh07:36
LaserJockalthough an html file that was lynx friendly would probably work too07:37
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robitaillehumm...someone added a link to an article about Automatix on the Fridge...08:07
jsgotangcoi thought fridge only allowed a few select to post?08:09
Madpilotthe "Missing Batteries" news story?08:09
robitailleyes.  And it's Jeff who posted it08:09
jsgotangcorobitaille, do you know newsvine.com?08:10
jsgotangcowell its a PCWorld article...08:10
robitaillejsgotangco,  yes.  finally got an invitee a couple of days ago.  Haven't really played with it yet.08:10
jsgotangcorobitaille, oh cool..i thought it was something that would fancy you08:10
robitaille:)08:10
jsgotangcooh great automatix08:12
robotgeekwhy do i come around when there's bad news?08:12
BurgundaviaMadpilot, http://blog.madduck.net/travel/2006.01.27-airplane-security08:15
MadpilotBurgundavia: Transport Canada (and other bodies) have documented cases of standard pocket calculators screwing with nav/comm equipment in small aircraft08:17
Madpilotelectronics are screwy, I guess08:17
BurgundaviaMadpilot, that is what I remembered. I shall blog accordingly08:17
MadpilotBurgundavia: I can't cite, but I believe that the bandwidth that GPS operates in is also very, very susceptible to interference.08:18
MadpilotGPS signals are also very low-powered; GPS antenna are correspondingly sensitive...08:19
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Madpilot"For those who care about not crashing"? :P08:21
Burgundaviawhy do I still beat my head against FF?08:42
robitailleyou don't have to do....free software is all about freedom :)08:43
Burgundaviaindeed, but I can't seem to get up the steam to actually install Epiphany on my machine08:44
robitailleI have tried Epiphany, and I can't seem to get the hang of it, and always go back to FF.08:45
Burgundaviayes, I found that at first, when I only tried it for 5 minutes08:45
Burgundaviathen I tried it full time on my laptop and now I love it08:45
Burgundaviayou have to stop thinking cludgy hacks08:46
robitailleI tried it for a few days then I gave up.  I have zero problem with FF, so might as well continue using it08:46
Burgundaviaepiphany is advancing quite rapidly now, because they are freed from the burden of having to develop the backend, which is most time consuming part08:46
Burgundaviahmm, those statements are not casual08:47
Burgundaviacausal08:47
Burgundaviabetter, being freed from developing a backend allows them to develop the frontend rapidly. They have also attracted new people08:48
robitaillewhich sounds very much for the argument the phoenix/firebird/firefox developpers were saying when developping it on top of the mozilla source code a couple of years ago :)08:49
robitailles/for the argument/like the argument08:49
Burgundaviayes, and now FF is far from the light/fast browser (if it ever was)08:49
robitaillepersonally, I never thought it was that fast or light compared to Mozilla.  But I initially switched to it a few years back because I like its default look better than mozilla08:51
Burgundaviaand for the windows crowd it is great08:52
Burgundaviait is just the right frontend for a gnome (or kde) distro08:52
mdkeorning08:52
Burgundaviasalut mdke 08:52
robitaillehi mdke 08:52
Burgundaviamake that not the right frontend08:53
robotgeekmorning mdke 08:55
mdkeno, orning08:56
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mdkeMadpilot, get your commit access?08:56
Burgundaviahttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=123569 <-- oh joy08:58
Madpilotmdke: I did, haven't even had a chance to de-GPG the message yet though08:59
mdkeok, good09:01
mdkeBurgundavia, better vote :)09:02
MadpilotI wasn't really reading subject lines this morning when I got it, clicked, got this massive block of gibberish... took me a second to realize what it was!09:02
mdkei was thinking we should send out a poll for what tips should be included in the desktopguide09:07
mdkei don't follow the support forums/ml so I don't know what always comes up09:07
BurgundaviaI don't there is anything large we are missing09:08
mdkeno, but it would be nice to get the small things too09:09
Burgundaviayou want to post something in the main help forum?09:09
mdkeyeah09:09
mdkefor example, how to get the location bar always displaying in nautilus is something I see a lot on the italian ML09:09
mdkei'll post when I get to work09:09
mdkeits a way of getting people to read the WIP guide too, get feedback09:10
mdke-> work09:11
Burgundaviamdke, done09:13
Burgundaviahttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12383609:13
Madpilotcool, someone added the "Documentation Team" tag to my ubuntuforum user info09:22
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Burgundaviayou know, more people should watch Jon Stewart. Watching him compare Oprah ripping apart that million author guy vs. the press pussy-footing around bush et. al was hilarious09:35
robotgeekDaily Show is great, so i Colbert Report09:36
robotgeekis*09:36
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Burgundaviain a recent poll, most people between 20 and 25 get something liek three-quarters of their news via the Daily Show09:37
Burgundaviaget their news (geez I am tired)09:37
robotgeekyeah, he seems to be the only guy asking the questions that must be asked09:38
Madpilotcrap, I might have forgotten my GPG private password... dumb...09:38
BurgundaviaMadpilot, store it somewhere, hardcopy09:39
robotgeekouch09:39
robotgeekdamn, i wasted one who day themeing kde, and it doesn't even look nice. *sigh*09:40
Burgundaviawelcome to KDE09:40
Burgundaviaand Kubuntu is praised for theming KDE fairly nicely09:40
robotgeekgnome's themeing seems to be very easy compared to this. i am trying this on breezy, so maybe it is known to suck. 09:41
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MadpilotBurgundavia: too late to store it, this is my current key... damn damn damn09:41
robotgeekMadpilot: did you create a revocation key initially?09:41
Madpilotrobotgeek: I don't think so...09:41
Madpilot<-- utter noob to crypto... can you tell? :P09:42
robotgeekMadpilot: i'm not too experienced myself, i learnt quite a bit editing the GPGkey wiki article09:42
Burgundaviarobotgeek, http://www.linclips.com/index.php?page=clip&id=21 <-- how to make gnome look hedious09:42
robotgeeklooks like some crappy XP theme09:44
Madpilotblow it, I'll sleep on it and maybe my GPG password will come back to me...09:44
robotgeeki liked xubuntu the best, i must say. though my roomate had some difficulty using it09:44
MadpilotBurgundavia: "Linux XP"? Begging for a lawsuit, are they?09:44
Burgundaviainteresting how gnome manages to be turned into a better XP copy than KDE, even though most people try and do the altter09:44
BurgundaviaMadpilot, they are russian based09:45
robotgeekMadpilot: after you recollect, create a revocation key. The next time you forget it, you can revoke your key. 09:46
robotgeekMadpilot: how many ppl have signed your key?09:46
Burgundaviarobotgeek, AFAIK, none09:46
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Burgundaviagiven that I am related to him and most of his linux/ubuntu stuff has happened through me09:47
Madpilotrobotgeek: nobody so far, but it's on the keyservers09:47
robotgeekMadpilot: hmm, it would be worse if someone had signed it. 09:47
robotgeekMadpilot: hopefully oyur password will come back to you09:50
Madpilotrobotgeek: I'll keep bashing away at it... irritating, though09:51
Burgundaviajiyuu0@kitech.com.my has been removed from ubuntu-users <--- hmm, wonder if this means anything10:01
Burgundavianight all10:03
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jsgotangco:(10:33
jsgotangcosorry sir10:33
mdkeshall I rename it?10:33
mdkeotherwise, there is little point having reorganised the pages10:34
jsgotangcoyeah10:35
jsgotangcoplease do10:35
mdkecool10:35
mdkei've created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Meeting as well10:36
jsgotangcothanks i won't do it next time o great one10:37
mdkeheh10:38
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jsgotangcoargg en changes01:45
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jsgotangcodum dum dee dum02:43
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jsgotangcougghhh the ff fonts in dapper look horrible in our website04:34
jjessei actually dropped firefox and use only konq04:35
jsgotangcoyeah but konq has some weird fancy rendering on text sometimes04:35
jsgotangcothe most sane i use is actually epiphany04:35
jsgotangcobrb i'll just boot back to breezy04:36
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jjessejsgotangco: w/ vmplayer i boot into breezy and for testing and working on docs i just use my vmplayer04:45
jjesseso i don't have to reboot04:45
jsgotangconahh im too lazy to go to the other machine downstairs04:46
jsgotangcoand this laptop has all 4 OS that i need04:46
mdkejsgotangco, which website?04:52
jsgotangcoubuntu.com04:53
mdkeother websites are ok?04:53
jsgotangcohaven't checked that much04:54
mdkemaybe its a bug in our website04:58
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jjessesimple question, can i just replace Ubuntu w/ Kubuntu in the kubuntu desktop guide?08:19
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k31thyo guys08:54
LaserJockhi k31th 08:54
k31thLaserJock: Just watching this video on google about ubuntu08:56
LaserJockI see08:57
k31thand the guy who started ubuntu, hes got the right ideal man08:57
k31thhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1165754797197197496&q=ubuntu08:57
LaserJockoh yes I've seen that one, very inspiring to me08:58
LaserJockthat was at Debconf5 I think08:58
k31thyeah its very good 08:59
k31thguy i work with was like wat are you watching... then he was sat there watching it about 2 mins alter09:00
k31thfollowed by "im deff putting ubuntu on my laptop"09:00
LaserJockgood09:00
k31thall my windows boxes are now ubuntu, 09:00
LaserJockcool09:02
k31thall are servers are debain / will be debian09:03
k31thapart from samaba box as ubuntu worked with the sata card out of the box ( i was being lazy)09:03
k31thany way its about time i gave some thing back to this distro. 09:03
k31thi need to start writing some docs. If im of any use 09:04
LaserJocksure, we always welcome contribution09:04
k31thsweet, you guys have a mailing list ?09:04
LaserJockyes ubuntu-doc 09:04
LaserJocklook at lists.ubuntu.com09:04
k31thalso how do i remove myself from the list as its filling my gmail up... i will create its own inbox at work 09:05
LaserJockyou can go to the list as if you were going to subscribe and there should be a place to unsubscribe at the bottom, I think09:05
k31thedubuntu is that education ?09:05
LaserJockyeah09:06
k31thNice 09:06
LaserJocklike for use in schools, etc.09:06
k31thOne of our clients is keen on linux 09:06
k31ththeres a school / college 09:06
k31th1500 users, 09:06
k31thcurrently running CentOS as there server (dont ask ) 09:06
LaserJockedubuntu has some nice stuff09:06
k31this it a desktop yes ?09:07
LaserJockthey have a irc channel too I believe09:07
k31thnice 09:08
k31thill have a word with him when iv fixed his server :p09:09
k31thhave to convert all the user accounts to ldap :(09:09
k31thits not emailing me :p09:13
LaserJockwhat?09:16
k31ththe mailing list 09:18
k31thtrying to remove an email address atm09:18
LaserJockoh, sometimes it takes a long time09:19
k31thLaserJock: like waiting for email from MS Exchange :p09:20
LaserJockI wouldn't know ;-)09:20
k31thLaserJock: your lucky 09:22
k31thim afraid i have to offer support fr such tripe09:23
LaserJockI've always used linux for work and such. I only use Windows at home.09:23
k31thLaserJock: games ?09:24
LaserJockprobably about 50/50 don't do a whole lot of gaming though09:25
k31thall our server our linux, however we took over a bunch of clients and they used exchange 09:25
k31thim slowly converting them09:25
LaserJockthat's good09:26
k31thindeed09:27
k31thyou heard about this goobuntu thing 09:27
k31thgoogles own distro based on ubuntu 09:27
LaserJockyeah, lots of questions about that today09:29
k31thyeah, they could just add support to ubuntu surly ?09:30
LaserJockI've heard it is just an internal thing for them to use09:30
k31thyeah same09:31
k31thaccording to the register09:31
LaserJockanyway, what areas of documentation would you be interested in?09:32
k31thwell wat needs to be writen ?09:33
LaserJockeverything ;-)09:34
k31thha ha09:34
LaserJockit is an ongoing project09:34
LaserJockyou can always proofread etc.09:34
k31thwell wat is dapper looking like is it stable ?09:34
LaserJockthe os or the docs?09:34
k31thos 09:34
k31thi use ubuntu at home and at work and have used debian for a few years 09:35
LaserJockwell, hard to say exactly. I've been running it since ~October and haven't had too much problem09:35
k31thLaserJock: where you running it to ?09:35
k31thand to do wat ?09:36
LaserJockI use it for my desktop at work and do packaging on it09:36
k31thyou see, im putting a webhead in a data center asap... ATM im thinking of putting debian on it09:36
k31thhowever i have a file server at work running ubuntu09:37
k31thso i could do some server based docs if you wish 09:37
LaserJockyeah there is a server guide under way09:37
k31this there some where i can look at what needs doing and pic some ? and a guide on how you want the docs writen etc 09:38
LaserJockdoc.ubuntu.com has the current documentation we are working on09:38
k31thnice09:38
LaserJockwiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam should get you started09:38
LaserJockbut https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted has the info you are looking for09:39
k31thnice09:40
k31thill get started right after i do this ldap thing :D 09:40
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LaserJockgood, you can get the doc teams svn repo and make patches and then send them to the mailing list09:41
LaserJockthat is the best way09:41
k31thkool09:46
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k31thworking on this RHE box is painfull10:07
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bazz-hi all10:35
bazz-wouldn't it be nice to have an ftp/http/nfs based installer, just like in debian?10:35
Kamping_Kaisernot for most ppl.10:36
bazz-the thing with pxeboot, dhcpd, tftpd etc. is quite a lot of work10:36
bazz-ftp installs etc. would make it easier10:36
jjesseor for those that don't have high speed internet10:37
Kamping_Kaisermost ppl install ubuntu off cd. and dont need network install10:37
bazz-yes but a few do10:37
bazz-it's like one would say, most people use microsoft, why even bother trying linux10:38
bazz-ftp/http/nfs installs have always been there with debian, and even redhat 10:38
bazz-at least a floppy disk which allows to boot an ubuntu installer would be a nice option imo10:39
jjessedell no longer provides floppy drives10:39
jjessehave to pay extra10:39
bazz-well, a new dell should be able to handle a normal isntallation procedure10:39
bazz-i'm talking about older machines with troubles reading media etc.10:40
bazz-there's an article on the wiki, which points at the debian sarge install floppies10:43
bazz-https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies?highlight=%28install%2910:43
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bazz-anyways, i'd appreciate something like this could be done instead the really annoying and long procedure with tftpd and pxeboot10:52
bazz-*if10:53
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bazz-laters10:53
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Kamping_Kaiserlater10:53
Kamping_Kaiseri just noticed somthing - the default page in firefox for dapper says "each release is supported for 18 months". should there be some comment that this release is one of the "some" that are  supported for longer?10:58
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collegeboy360test test, is this working11:39
Kamping_Kaiserno :)11:40
collegeboy360is there anyone willing to give me a tip on install Ubunto11:40
collegeboy360lol11:40
collegeboy360every time I try to boot it, it show the Ubuntu logo, but it reboot the pc after I press enter11:40
Kamping_Kaiseryou might want to try asking in #ubuntu itself, because theres more ppl in there who might be able to help11:41
collegeboy360oh, ok11:42
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k31thanyone alive ?11:51
robotgeekyeah k31th 11:51
k31thkool just looking at what stuff to write 11:52
robotgeekk31th: you can help out with the kubuntu-docs, if you wish :)11:54
k31throbotgeek: watsup ?11:54
k31thi dont use kubuntu :D11:55
robotgeekheh, okay. i'll let you go then :)11:55
k31thwell iv installed it in the past, just dont run it atm11:55
robotgeekk31th: the best thing to do would be to go to doc.ubuntu.com, look at a few ubuntu guides, and start sending in patches11:56
k31thnice11:56

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