[12:07] <mhz> robotgeek: thx. it seems I had not big problems (I thought I had)
[12:08] <robotgeek> mhz: no, it was alrite for the most part
[12:10] <mhz> cool
[12:10] <mhz> i feel better, more confident now, thx
[12:12] <robotgeek> mhz: glad to help
[12:13] <mhz> i can readproof spanish :D but that's not a service needed yet (at least, EdubuntuCookbook is still under developement)
[12:23] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[12:58] <theCore> LaserJock, hello
[01:01] <LaserJock> theCore: did you see the commit I did yesterday?
[01:03] <theCore> I can't, I had a crash this week after a power failure, and I still waiting for a new hard drive ( I'm currently on a LiveCD )
[01:04] <theCore> SCSI drives are so delicate... 
[01:06] <robotgeek> i dunno if my patches have been committed
[01:07] <LaserJock> theCore: bummer, that really stinks
[01:23] <LaserJock> robotgeek_work: you can't tell from ubuntu-doc-commit?
[01:37] <seanSnyder> anyone there?
[01:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:37] <seanSnyder> can i ask some technical questions?
[01:38] <LaserJock> are they documentation related?
[01:38] <seanSnyder> no
[01:38] <seanSnyder> what channel should i join?
[01:38] <LaserJock> then probably #ubuntu is a  better
[01:38] <seanSnyder> coo, thanks
[01:39] <bshumate> sepa: try specifying the full path in the system() call, e.g. : system(/sbin/iptables)
[01:40] <bshumate> (try specifying the right channel) ;-)
[01:45] <robotgeek_work> LaserJock: hmm, it does not show up there, so i think it has not been committed
[01:46] <LaserJock> robotgeek: oh, is that the email with like 5 patches?
[01:46] <robotgeek> yeah
[01:47] <LaserJock> hmm, if it was a small thing I would do it but I think jjesse would probably be the guy to do it
[01:47] <robotgeek> LaserJock: it's just 5 patches, all small :)
[02:03] <LaserJock> robotgeek: done.
[02:03] <LaserJock> robotgeek: gotta go now
[02:03] <robotgeek> LaserJock_away: thanks
[03:24] <mhz> had you seen this 'initiative' ?  http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Software/Linux/registration.asp?ComponentID=312222&SourcePageID=312225#1
[03:26] <jsgotangco> "if we release drivers matching your requirements"
[03:27] <jsgotangco> canon printers are so expensive though
[03:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, not in Chile
[03:34] <mhz> Epson is more expensive here
[03:34] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:34] <mhz> and Lexmarx is cheap and works okidoki
[03:34] <robotgeek> hey jsgotangco 
[03:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: I finally got a PDF from the Education Magazine that issued my article on Edubuntu in December. It's in spanish so I wikied to ubuntu-cl.org  but do you think this should also be wikied in ubuntu ?
[03:34] <mhz> (they printed 5000)
[03:34] <mhz> (and it is distributed in schools for free)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> sure
[03:37] <LaserJock> robotgeek: did my commit work for you? I just changed one tiny thing
[03:38] <robotgeek> LaserJock: seemed to have worked, i changed a few more things again. 
[03:39] <robotgeek> thanks for the commit
[03:39] <LaserJock> hopefully I don't get flogged for it ;-)
[03:40] <robotgeek> LaserJock: ah, no. it only messes with kubuntu desktop guide, so no i issues i think
[03:42] <LaserJock> robotgeek: well, if you need more patches tonight I will be away for about an hour and then I can do some more if you like
[03:43] <robotgeek> LaserJock: no, i think i'll hold on for a while, and complete this chapter
[03:43] <LaserJock> robotgeek: ok, np
[04:36] <Burgundavia> ok, C just emailed me about 1 min ago to ask if I had started writing yet. I just got home 1 min ago. Bloody telepathic gf
[04:36] <robotgeek> hey Burgundavia , writing what?
[04:37] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, an article on Ubuntu
[04:37] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: nice
[04:38] <robotgeek> i just moved to kubuntu, removed ubuntu. let's see how it goes :)
[04:38] <Burgundavia> gah, lost another one
[04:39] <robotgeek> most since i'm writing the desktop guide :)
[04:40] <Burgundavia> bah, Kubuntu ;)
[04:41] <robotgeek> the most irritating behaviour in gnome is that of rhyhtmbox, when you click the "x" button, it doesn't go to systray like rest of the apps (gaim, etc). it closes
[04:41] <robotgeek> i could quit ubuntu for that one reason!
[04:41] <Burgundavia> actually, that is a bug in gaim, not rb
[04:42] <Burgundavia> clicking X should close
[04:42] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: that's the systray plugin in gaim
[04:42] <Burgundavia> regardless, any X should close the application
[04:42] <robotgeek> i prefer the move to systray thing. 
[04:43] <robotgeek> and hence, i use kde :)
[04:43] <Burgundavia> that an example of why I don't use KDE. Crazy defaults
[04:43] <Burgundavia> create another button for minimzing, don't overload the exit one
[04:44] <robotgeek> who ever quits their audio player? :)
[04:44] <Burgundavia> when they want to shutdown?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> or change tasks?
[04:45] <robotgeek> i guess we will end up arguing over personal preferences, let's leave it as it is :)
[04:45] <Burgundavia> actually, it is not about personal preferences
[04:45] <Burgundavia> it is looking at good defaults
[04:46] <robotgeek> i happen to like kde's default behaviour better
[05:27] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[05:27] <theCore> hello!
[05:28] <theCore> did you worked on the packaging guide?
[05:29] <LaserJock> yes, a little bit. I added a skeleton of the structure. Not really any content but it gives us more of an outline.
[05:32] <theCore> will try to check out just the packaging guide
[05:33] <LaserJock> yeah, doc.ubuntu.com has been updated since I did it
[05:38] <theCore> oh, you fixed the license 
[05:39] <LaserJock> yes
[05:54] <LaserJock> theCore: so what do you think of my changes?
[05:55] <theCore> LaserJock, it is quite good
[05:55] <LaserJock> theCore: I changed it slightly from what is on UbuntuPackagingGuide but I think it will work better
[06:02] <theCore> LaserJock, ok I got a checkout
[06:03] <LaserJock> theCore: great, just the packaging guide?
[06:04] <theCore> yep
[06:06] <theCore> should we keep Ankur Kotwal as the creator of the guide ?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> you can probably have it as original author
[06:07] <jsgotangco> brb reboot
[06:08] <LaserJock> theCore: I thought I took him off, but I'm not sure what to do about authorship
[06:10] <LaserJock> theCore: oh, are you talking about the .omf file?
[06:10] <theCore> yes
[06:11] <theCore> can I add myself as a contributor ?
[06:11] <LaserJock> hmm, yes. I need to fix some stuff in there. The license is wrong too
[06:12] <theCore> I fixed it
[06:12] <theCore> I going to sent it to you but, anyway ...
[06:13] <LaserJock> the ok fine
[06:14] <theCore> what do you use for editing the .xml ?
[06:14] <theCore> vi ?
[06:15] <LaserJock> vim actually
[06:15] <LaserJock> I do a lot of editing from home so I need good CLI tools
[06:15] <theCore> vi and vim is quite the same ;) 
[06:16] <theCore> on ubuntu at least
[06:20] <jsgotangco> has anyone experienced installing from a hard drive?
[06:22] <theCore> jsgotangco, what do you mean 
[06:22] <jsgotangco> instead of using a CD, you boot from a HD to install
[06:23] <jsgotangco> fedora has this
[06:23] <jsgotangco> but ubuntu doesn't
[06:23] <theCore> it's the same as a cd isn't it ?
[06:23] <jsgotangco> well you can't just dump an iso to a drive then boot
[06:39] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, just commited some changes to bookinfo and the .omf
[06:42] <theCore> great, now I doesn't have anything to send you ;P
[06:44] <LaserJock> well get to work then ;-)
[06:44] <theCore> I will try to work on some intro stuff tomorrow 
[06:47] <theCore> but I need to go bed, cya later
[06:47] <LaserJock> me too cya 
[06:53] <LaserJock> I don't know if that is very updated
[06:54] <crimsun> haven't gotten to https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos yet, 'tis all
[06:56] <LaserJock> hmm, what do you guys think about this email to -doc about having the server documentation readable from a console (non-GUI)?
[06:57] <crimsun> sounds like a great idea, actually
[06:57] <crimsun> what format?
[06:58] <LaserJock> I don't know
[06:59] <LaserJock> but I got to thinking. A lot of people wouldn't necessarily have yelp or a browser around (except maybe lynx or something similar) if they are doing a server install
[07:08] <LaserJock> crimsun: if you have a minute could you look over http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[07:09] <crimsun> LaserJock: it's loaded, I'm just reading the instructions for svn
[07:09] <crimsun> I gotta learn the patch submission process ;-)
[07:11] <LaserJock> just use svn diff and send the patches to the mailing list
[07:35] <LaserJock> hmm, do you think we could make man pages for the server install. I wonder if something like docboock2x-man would work
[07:36] <crimsun> I was going to suggest man pages, heh
[07:37] <LaserJock> although an html file that was lynx friendly would probably work too
[08:07] <robitaille> humm...someone added a link to an article about Automatix on the Fridge...
[08:09] <jsgotangco> i thought fridge only allowed a few select to post?
[08:09] <Madpilot> the "Missing Batteries" news story?
[08:09] <robitaille> yes.  And it's Jeff who posted it
[08:10] <jsgotangco> robitaille, do you know newsvine.com?
[08:10] <jsgotangco> well its a PCWorld article...
[08:10] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  yes.  finally got an invitee a couple of days ago.  Haven't really played with it yet.
[08:10] <jsgotangco> robitaille, oh cool..i thought it was something that would fancy you
[08:10] <robitaille> :)
[08:12] <jsgotangco> oh great automatix
[08:12] <robotgeek> why do i come around when there's bad news?
[08:15] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, http://blog.madduck.net/travel/2006.01.27-airplane-security
[08:17] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: Transport Canada (and other bodies) have documented cases of standard pocket calculators screwing with nav/comm equipment in small aircraft
[08:17] <Madpilot> electronics are screwy, I guess
[08:17] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, that is what I remembered. I shall blog accordingly
[08:18] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: I can't cite, but I believe that the bandwidth that GPS operates in is also very, very susceptible to interference.
[08:19] <Madpilot> GPS signals are also very low-powered; GPS antenna are correspondingly sensitive...
[08:21] <Madpilot> "For those who care about not crashing"? :P
[08:42] <Burgundavia> why do I still beat my head against FF?
[08:43] <robitaille> you don't have to do....free software is all about freedom :)
[08:44] <Burgundavia> indeed, but I can't seem to get up the steam to actually install Epiphany on my machine
[08:45] <robitaille> I have tried Epiphany, and I can't seem to get the hang of it, and always go back to FF.
[08:45] <Burgundavia> yes, I found that at first, when I only tried it for 5 minutes
[08:45] <Burgundavia> then I tried it full time on my laptop and now I love it
[08:46] <Burgundavia> you have to stop thinking cludgy hacks
[08:46] <robitaille> I tried it for a few days then I gave up.  I have zero problem with FF, so might as well continue using it
[08:46] <Burgundavia> epiphany is advancing quite rapidly now, because they are freed from the burden of having to develop the backend, which is most time consuming part
[08:47] <Burgundavia> hmm, those statements are not casual
[08:47] <Burgundavia> causal
[08:48] <Burgundavia> better, being freed from developing a backend allows them to develop the frontend rapidly. They have also attracted new people
[08:49] <robitaille> which sounds very much for the argument the phoenix/firebird/firefox developpers were saying when developping it on top of the mozilla source code a couple of years ago :)
[08:49] <robitaille> s/for the argument/like the argument
[08:49] <Burgundavia> yes, and now FF is far from the light/fast browser (if it ever was)
[08:51] <robitaille> personally, I never thought it was that fast or light compared to Mozilla.  But I initially switched to it a few years back because I like its default look better than mozilla
[08:52] <Burgundavia> and for the windows crowd it is great
[08:52] <Burgundavia> it is just the right frontend for a gnome (or kde) distro
[08:52] <mdke> orning
[08:52] <Burgundavia> salut mdke 
[08:52] <robitaille> hi mdke 
[08:53] <Burgundavia> make that not the right frontend
[08:55] <robotgeek> morning mdke 
[08:56] <mdke> no, orning
[08:56] <mdke> Madpilot, get your commit access?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=123569 <-- oh joy
[08:59] <Madpilot> mdke: I did, haven't even had a chance to de-GPG the message yet though
[09:01] <mdke> ok, good
[09:02] <mdke> Burgundavia, better vote :)
[09:02] <Madpilot> I wasn't really reading subject lines this morning when I got it, clicked, got this massive block of gibberish... took me a second to realize what it was!
[09:07] <mdke> i was thinking we should send out a poll for what tips should be included in the desktopguide
[09:07] <mdke> i don't follow the support forums/ml so I don't know what always comes up
[09:08] <Burgundavia> I don't there is anything large we are missing
[09:09] <mdke> no, but it would be nice to get the small things too
[09:09] <Burgundavia> you want to post something in the main help forum?
[09:09] <mdke> yeah
[09:09] <mdke> for example, how to get the location bar always displaying in nautilus is something I see a lot on the italian ML
[09:09] <mdke> i'll post when I get to work
[09:10] <mdke> its a way of getting people to read the WIP guide too, get feedback
[09:11] <mdke> -> work
[09:13] <Burgundavia> mdke, done
[09:13] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=123836
[09:22] <Madpilot> cool, someone added the "Documentation Team" tag to my ubuntuforum user info
[09:35] <Burgundavia> you know, more people should watch Jon Stewart. Watching him compare Oprah ripping apart that million author guy vs. the press pussy-footing around bush et. al was hilarious
[09:36] <robotgeek> Daily Show is great, so i Colbert Report
[09:36] <robotgeek> is*
[09:37] <Burgundavia> in a recent poll, most people between 20 and 25 get something liek three-quarters of their news via the Daily Show
[09:37] <Burgundavia> get their news (geez I am tired)
[09:38] <robotgeek> yeah, he seems to be the only guy asking the questions that must be asked
[09:38] <Madpilot> crap, I might have forgotten my GPG private password... dumb...
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, store it somewhere, hardcopy
[09:39] <robotgeek> ouch
[09:40] <robotgeek> damn, i wasted one who day themeing kde, and it doesn't even look nice. *sigh*
[09:40] <Burgundavia> welcome to KDE
[09:40] <Burgundavia> and Kubuntu is praised for theming KDE fairly nicely
[09:41] <robotgeek> gnome's themeing seems to be very easy compared to this. i am trying this on breezy, so maybe it is known to suck. 
[09:41] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: too late to store it, this is my current key... damn damn damn
[09:41] <robotgeek> Madpilot: did you create a revocation key initially?
[09:41] <Madpilot> robotgeek: I don't think so...
[09:42] <Madpilot> <-- utter noob to crypto... can you tell? :P
[09:42] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i'm not too experienced myself, i learnt quite a bit editing the GPGkey wiki article
[09:42] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, http://www.linclips.com/index.php?page=clip&id=21 <-- how to make gnome look hedious
[09:44] <robotgeek> looks like some crappy XP theme
[09:44] <Madpilot> blow it, I'll sleep on it and maybe my GPG password will come back to me...
[09:44] <robotgeek> i liked xubuntu the best, i must say. though my roomate had some difficulty using it
[09:44] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: "Linux XP"? Begging for a lawsuit, are they?
[09:44] <Burgundavia> interesting how gnome manages to be turned into a better XP copy than KDE, even though most people try and do the altter
[09:45] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, they are russian based
[09:46] <robotgeek> Madpilot: after you recollect, create a revocation key. The next time you forget it, you can revoke your key. 
[09:46] <robotgeek> Madpilot: how many ppl have signed your key?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, AFAIK, none
[09:47] <Burgundavia> given that I am related to him and most of his linux/ubuntu stuff has happened through me
[09:47] <Madpilot> robotgeek: nobody so far, but it's on the keyservers
[09:47] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, it would be worse if someone had signed it. 
[09:50] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hopefully oyur password will come back to you
[09:51] <Madpilot> robotgeek: I'll keep bashing away at it... irritating, though
[10:01] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0@kitech.com.my has been removed from ubuntu-users <--- hmm, wonder if this means anything
[10:03] <Burgundavia> night all
[10:33] <jsgotangco> :(
[10:33] <jsgotangco> sorry sir
[10:33] <mdke> shall I rename it?
[10:34] <mdke> otherwise, there is little point having reorganised the pages
[10:35] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:35] <jsgotangco> please do
[10:35] <mdke> cool
[10:36] <mdke> i've created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Meeting as well
[10:37] <jsgotangco> thanks i won't do it next time o great one
[10:38] <mdke> heh
[01:45] <jsgotangco> argg en changes
[02:43] <jsgotangco> dum dum dee dum
[04:34] <jsgotangco> ugghhh the ff fonts in dapper look horrible in our website
[04:35] <jjesse> i actually dropped firefox and use only konq
[04:35] <jsgotangco> yeah but konq has some weird fancy rendering on text sometimes
[04:35] <jsgotangco> the most sane i use is actually epiphany
[04:36] <jsgotangco> brb i'll just boot back to breezy
[04:45] <jjesse> jsgotangco: w/ vmplayer i boot into breezy and for testing and working on docs i just use my vmplayer
[04:45] <jjesse> so i don't have to reboot
[04:46] <jsgotangco> nahh im too lazy to go to the other machine downstairs
[04:46] <jsgotangco> and this laptop has all 4 OS that i need
[04:52] <mdke> jsgotangco, which website?
[04:53] <jsgotangco> ubuntu.com
[04:53] <mdke> other websites are ok?
[04:54] <jsgotangco> haven't checked that much
[04:58] <mdke> maybe its a bug in our website
[08:19] <jjesse> simple question, can i just replace Ubuntu w/ Kubuntu in the kubuntu desktop guide?
[08:54] <k31th> yo guys
[08:54] <LaserJock> hi k31th 
[08:56] <k31th> LaserJock: Just watching this video on google about ubuntu
[08:57] <LaserJock> I see
[08:57] <k31th> and the guy who started ubuntu, hes got the right ideal man
[08:57] <k31th> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1165754797197197496&q=ubuntu
[08:58] <LaserJock> oh yes I've seen that one, very inspiring to me
[08:58] <LaserJock> that was at Debconf5 I think
[08:59] <k31th> yeah its very good 
[09:00] <k31th> guy i work with was like wat are you watching... then he was sat there watching it about 2 mins alter
[09:00] <k31th> followed by "im deff putting ubuntu on my laptop"
[09:00] <LaserJock> good
[09:00] <k31th> all my windows boxes are now ubuntu, 
[09:02] <LaserJock> cool
[09:03] <k31th> all are servers are debain / will be debian
[09:03] <k31th> apart from samaba box as ubuntu worked with the sata card out of the box ( i was being lazy)
[09:03] <k31th> any way its about time i gave some thing back to this distro. 
[09:04] <k31th> i need to start writing some docs. If im of any use 
[09:04] <LaserJock> sure, we always welcome contribution
[09:04] <k31th> sweet, you guys have a mailing list ?
[09:04] <LaserJock> yes ubuntu-doc 
[09:04] <LaserJock> look at lists.ubuntu.com
[09:05] <k31th> also how do i remove myself from the list as its filling my gmail up... i will create its own inbox at work 
[09:05] <LaserJock> you can go to the list as if you were going to subscribe and there should be a place to unsubscribe at the bottom, I think
[09:05] <k31th> edubuntu is that education ?
[09:06] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:06] <k31th> Nice 
[09:06] <LaserJock> like for use in schools, etc.
[09:06] <k31th> One of our clients is keen on linux 
[09:06] <k31th> theres a school / college 
[09:06] <k31th> 1500 users, 
[09:06] <k31th> currently running CentOS as there server (dont ask ) 
[09:06] <LaserJock> edubuntu has some nice stuff
[09:07] <k31th> is it a desktop yes ?
[09:07] <LaserJock> they have a irc channel too I believe
[09:08] <k31th> nice 
[09:09] <k31th> ill have a word with him when iv fixed his server :p
[09:09] <k31th> have to convert all the user accounts to ldap :(
[09:13] <k31th> its not emailing me :p
[09:16] <LaserJock> what?
[09:18] <k31th> the mailing list 
[09:18] <k31th> trying to remove an email address atm
[09:19] <LaserJock> oh, sometimes it takes a long time
[09:20] <k31th> LaserJock: like waiting for email from MS Exchange :p
[09:20] <LaserJock> I wouldn't know ;-)
[09:22] <k31th> LaserJock: your lucky 
[09:23] <k31th> im afraid i have to offer support fr such tripe
[09:23] <LaserJock> I've always used linux for work and such. I only use Windows at home.
[09:24] <k31th> LaserJock: games ?
[09:25] <LaserJock> probably about 50/50 don't do a whole lot of gaming though
[09:25] <k31th> all our server our linux, however we took over a bunch of clients and they used exchange 
[09:25] <k31th> im slowly converting them
[09:26] <LaserJock> that's good
[09:27] <k31th> indeed
[09:27] <k31th> you heard about this goobuntu thing 
[09:27] <k31th> googles own distro based on ubuntu 
[09:29] <LaserJock> yeah, lots of questions about that today
[09:30] <k31th> yeah, they could just add support to ubuntu surly ?
[09:30] <LaserJock> I've heard it is just an internal thing for them to use
[09:31] <k31th> yeah same
[09:31] <k31th> according to the register
[09:32] <LaserJock> anyway, what areas of documentation would you be interested in?
[09:33] <k31th> well wat needs to be writen ?
[09:34] <LaserJock> everything ;-)
[09:34] <k31th> ha ha
[09:34] <LaserJock> it is an ongoing project
[09:34] <LaserJock> you can always proofread etc.
[09:34] <k31th> well wat is dapper looking like is it stable ?
[09:34] <LaserJock> the os or the docs?
[09:34] <k31th> os 
[09:35] <k31th> i use ubuntu at home and at work and have used debian for a few years 
[09:35] <LaserJock> well, hard to say exactly. I've been running it since ~October and haven't had too much problem
[09:35] <k31th> LaserJock: where you running it to ?
[09:36] <k31th> and to do wat ?
[09:36] <LaserJock> I use it for my desktop at work and do packaging on it
[09:36] <k31th> you see, im putting a webhead in a data center asap... ATM im thinking of putting debian on it
[09:37] <k31th> however i have a file server at work running ubuntu
[09:37] <k31th> so i could do some server based docs if you wish 
[09:37] <LaserJock> yeah there is a server guide under way
[09:38] <k31th> is there some where i can look at what needs doing and pic some ? and a guide on how you want the docs writen etc 
[09:38] <LaserJock> doc.ubuntu.com has the current documentation we are working on
[09:38] <k31th> nice
[09:38] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam should get you started
[09:39] <LaserJock> but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted has the info you are looking for
[09:40] <k31th> nice
[09:40] <k31th> ill get started right after i do this ldap thing :D 
[09:41] <LaserJock> good, you can get the doc teams svn repo and make patches and then send them to the mailing list
[09:41] <LaserJock> that is the best way
[09:46] <k31th> kool
[10:07] <k31th> working on this RHE box is painfull
[10:35] <bazz-> hi all
[10:35] <bazz-> wouldn't it be nice to have an ftp/http/nfs based installer, just like in debian?
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> not for most ppl.
[10:36] <bazz-> the thing with pxeboot, dhcpd, tftpd etc. is quite a lot of work
[10:36] <bazz-> ftp installs etc. would make it easier
[10:37] <jjesse> or for those that don't have high speed internet
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> most ppl install ubuntu off cd. and dont need network install
[10:37] <bazz-> yes but a few do
[10:38] <bazz-> it's like one would say, most people use microsoft, why even bother trying linux
[10:38] <bazz-> ftp/http/nfs installs have always been there with debian, and even redhat 
[10:39] <bazz-> at least a floppy disk which allows to boot an ubuntu installer would be a nice option imo
[10:39] <jjesse> dell no longer provides floppy drives
[10:39] <jjesse> have to pay extra
[10:39] <bazz-> well, a new dell should be able to handle a normal isntallation procedure
[10:40] <bazz-> i'm talking about older machines with troubles reading media etc.
[10:43] <bazz-> there's an article on the wiki, which points at the debian sarge install floppies
[10:43] <bazz-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies?highlight=%28install%29
[10:52] <bazz-> anyways, i'd appreciate something like this could be done instead the really annoying and long procedure with tftpd and pxeboot
[10:53] <bazz-> *if
[10:53] <bazz-> laters
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just noticed somthing - the default page in firefox for dapper says "each release is supported for 18 months". should there be some comment that this release is one of the "some" that are  supported for longer?
[11:39] <collegeboy360> test test, is this working
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> no :)
[11:40] <collegeboy360> is there anyone willing to give me a tip on install Ubunto
[11:40] <collegeboy360> lol
[11:40] <collegeboy360> every time I try to boot it, it show the Ubuntu logo, but it reboot the pc after I press enter
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> you might want to try asking in #ubuntu itself, because theres more ppl in there who might be able to help
[11:42] <collegeboy360> oh, ok
[11:51] <k31th> anyone alive ?
[11:51] <robotgeek> yeah k31th 
[11:52] <k31th> kool just looking at what stuff to write 
[11:54] <robotgeek> k31th: you can help out with the kubuntu-docs, if you wish :)
[11:54] <k31th> robotgeek: watsup ?
[11:55] <k31th> i dont use kubuntu :D
[11:55] <robotgeek> heh, okay. i'll let you go then :)
[11:55] <k31th> well iv installed it in the past, just dont run it atm
[11:56] <robotgeek> k31th: the best thing to do would be to go to doc.ubuntu.com, look at a few ubuntu guides, and start sending in patches
[11:56] <k31th> nice