[12:01] <`Nomad> When si X lading, after all the network settings , etc.. have scrolled by?
[12:01] <`Nomad> when is
[12:02] <hatake_kakashi> well.. what I probably would do is when it starts up various other daemons is if possible switch it from there
[12:03] <hatake_kakashi> I don't personally see there is a need to go as far as getting a rescue cd for that instance
[12:03] <`Nomad> ok, you're right no point waiting..
[12:03] <`Nomad> trying now..
[12:05] <asraniel> anyone tried the kde 3.5.1?
[12:05] <`Nomad> nope, didn't help
[12:06] <hatake_kakashi> hmm
[12:06] <`Nomad> I guess I'll go edit inittab to boot into 3
[12:07] <`Nomad> Do I want rescue or Live-DVD
[12:08] <asraniel> ok, another try, kde 3.5.1 is broken! it does not install correctly here (update from 3.5.0 to 3.5.1)
[12:08] <`Nomad> asraniel: welcome to my world
[12:09] <`Nomad> Now how to back out of it
[12:10] <`Nomad> asraniel: What is wrong for you?  I boot up to a half white half black screen
[12:12] <asraniel> `Nomad: dont know, didnt try to reboot...
[12:13] <asraniel> `Nomad: its just that at install it could not install some packages
[12:13] <asraniel> `Nomad: or more exactly, it could not install kdesdk
[12:20] <`Nomad> There's no key combination to boot into runlevel 3?
[12:22] <macd> you can goto init 3 after your booted easily.
[12:23] <crimsun> why init 3?
[12:23] <shmeebegek> anyone here know what goes on with the Kubuntu root password?
[12:23] <crimsun> on Debian-based systems, there's no mucking with runlevels. 2-5 are identical by default.
[12:23] <`Nomad> to avoid booting into gui
[12:23] <`Nomad> ohh
[12:23] <shmeebegek> I was given no option to specify it, and now I cannot su root because it asks me for a password...
[12:23] <`Nomad> That makes sense now
[12:24] <`Nomad> so how do I get to shell only without starting the xserver?
[12:24] <bimberi> ubotu tell shmeebegek about root
[12:24] <shmeebegek> I see in the FAQ that "there is no root password", but entering nothing
[12:24] <shmeebegek> doesn't work
[12:24] <crimsun> `Nomad: just zero out /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[12:24] <shmeebegek> according to this it seems like "sudo" should work, but that doesn't make sense and seems very insecure...
[12:25] <bimberi> shmeebegek: ubotu should have /msg'd you a link
[12:25] <`Nomad> crimsun: empty the file and leave it there?
[12:25] <crimsun> `Nomad: or just change it
[12:25] <`Nomad> I'll go see, thanks
[12:26] <shmeebegek> bimberi: ah
[12:29] <ClayG> the xdmcp set up says its uses UDP:177, but nmaping myself shows xserver:7000 what gives? I want to be able to connect to my myself from another person's house so im trying to foward the right ports
[12:29] <cherusker> hi @all
[12:31] <picoss> !lamp
[12:31] <ubotu> hmm... lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[12:32] <`Nomad> crimsun: thanks.. I'm now looking at configuring X all over..
[12:32] <`Nomad> !X
[12:32] <ubotu> `Nomad: Bugger all, i dunno
[12:32] <`Nomad> lol
[12:34] <`Nomad> damn!  I never had any such problems since I switched to Ubuntu/Kubuntu, now I'm lost at the command line.. How di I launch xconfig?
[12:36] <`Nomad> xorgconfig
[12:37] <`Nomad> ?
[12:37] <`Nomad> !xorg
[12:37] <ubotu> xorg is, like, totally, to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:37] <Red_Herring> wierd ubotu
[12:38] <`Nomad> Is it better to use framebuffer?
[12:38] <`Nomad> oh wait..
[12:38] <`Nomad> !framebuffer
[12:38] <ubotu> `Nomad: Not a clue
[12:39] <Red_Herring> !fb
[12:39] <ubotu> I don't know, Red_Herring
[12:39] <E-Train> I just installed a SUNIX USB 2.0 PCI card and when I sudo hdparm -t the usb 2.0 devices i get very slow speeds. One of them is a external hard drive and during mp3 playback it pauses for about 8 seconds after a few minutes of play. Anyone heard or seen this or have some advice
[12:40] <Red_Herring> `Nomad: use xserver
[12:40] <Red_Herring> E-Train: enable dma
[12:40] <Red_Herring> !dma
[12:40] <Red_Herring> ubotu direct messages you
[12:40] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Do they come in packets of five?
[12:40] <Red_Herring> so you have to type that in yourself
[12:41] <`Nomad> xserver?
[12:41] <E-Train> can you enable dma on a USB device
[12:41] <Red_Herring> E-Train: type in !dma
[12:41] <Red_Herring> itll answer those questions
[12:42] <E-Train> !dma
[12:42] <Red_Herring> !xserver
[12:42] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I don't know
[12:42] <Red_Herring> !xorg
[12:42] <ubotu> xorg is, like, totally, to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:42] <Red_Herring> allright, that works too
[12:42] <`Nomad> Oh ok, I just ran the reconfigure, but I think I should hav esaid no to framebuffer
[12:42] <Red_Herring> http://slashdot.org/articles/06/01/31/1519224.shtml
[12:42] <Red_Herring> ^ good job!
[12:43] <Red_Herring> `Nomad: ok, then just run it again
[12:43] <Red_Herring> its no big deal
[12:43] <alagran> can I install Kubuntu by ftp?
[12:43] <E-Train> Red - I have tried to do that and when i hdparm it does not list dma as one
[12:43] <Red_Herring> E-Train: i dont think that it works after you restart
[12:44] <Red_Herring> you need to put a startup script to do that
[12:44] <`Nomad> Goobuntu.. lol
[12:44] <Red_Herring> alagran: you should be able to...
[12:45] <Red_Herring> what a crappy name, goobuntu
[12:45] <Red_Herring> hope they change that
[12:48] <redguy> how do I install KDM themes?
[12:48] <Red_Herring> !kdm
[12:48] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:48] <Red_Herring> !kdmthemes
[12:48] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Red_Herring
[12:48] <Red_Herring> dumb ubotu
[12:49] <redguy> ubotu knows all
[12:49] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, redguy
[12:49] <Hobbsee> redguy: use kdm theme manager, or edit a line in kdmrc, i think it is
[12:49] <redguy> he is just a liar
[12:49] <Red_Herring> !kdmthemes
[12:49] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> kdm theme manager is compiling
[12:49] <Hobbsee> *is to be compiled
[12:49] <redguy> Hobbsee: hrm
[12:49] <Hobbsee> and ubotu isnt stupid, he's very useful
[12:49] <Red_Herring> and then with a stick
[12:50] <redguy> kdmrc you say
[12:50] <Red_Herring> !kdmrc
[12:50] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[12:51] <`Nomad> looks like I needed nv instead of nvidia
[12:51] <Hobbsee> redguy: there are howtos on kde-look.org
[12:52] <Hobbsee> redguy: yes, use locate kdmrc to find it
[12:52] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: is kde themeing any easier with theme manager installed?
[12:52] <Red_Herring> i just use baghira
[12:53] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: kdm theming, yes
[12:53] <Hobbsee> kde already has a theme manager - it's in system settings
[12:53] <redguy> Hobbsee: I suppose that the Theme= line is responsible for the theme
[12:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, i believe so
[12:53] <robotgeek> i spent an obscene amount of time yesterday trying to figure out how :)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> hehe - did you figure it out?
[12:54] <Red_Herring> robotgeek: i assume you heard the news
[12:54] <redguy> Hobbsee: I remember being able to change the theme in Debian using GUI stuff, how come the theme manager is not in kubuntu?
[12:54] <robotgeek> Red_Herring: what news?
[12:54] <Red_Herring> goobuntu
[12:54] <`Nomad> !goobuntu
[12:54] <ubotu> No idea, `Nomad
[12:54] <Red_Herring> google annouced it is using a custom ubuntu internally
[12:54] <Red_Herring> http://slashdot.org/articles/06/01/31/1519224.shtml
[12:54] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: yeah, i figured out i really did not want window decorations or anything like that
[12:54] <Red_Herring> ^ thats it
[12:54] <robotgeek> Red_Herring: it wasn't announched :
[12:55] <Hobbsee> i think they thought it was buggy or something - there's a package in REVU which means it should go into universe sometime
[12:55] <Red_Herring> robotgeek: it wasnt?
[12:55] <Red_Herring> whatever
[12:55] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: in the end i changed my task bar color, and background. lol
[12:56] <`Nomad> Do you think they used google to do the research to decide on a dist?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:56] <robotgeek> Red_Herring: the register can report whatever they want to :)
[12:56] <Red_Herring> still
[12:56] <Red_Herring> its a good move
[12:56] <robotgeek> true
[12:57] <`Nomad> I forgot to save the content of the default-theme-manager file.. :(
[12:57] <`Nomad> default-display-manager sorry
[12:57] <_localhost> why can't irssi
[12:57] <_localhost> not send with shift pressed
[12:57] <robotgeek> it does
[12:58] <`Nomad> can anyone give me that line?   /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[12:58] <robotgeek> `Nomad: just sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[12:58] <`Nomad> Don't I just need that line though?
[12:58] <robotgeek> `Nomad: it will put all the lines necessary :)
[12:59] <`Nomad> done.. :)
[12:59] <`Nomad> I was worry I'd break X again hehe
[01:05] <cherusker> hi @all!
[01:07] <cherusker> can s.o. tell me where the "go to"-menu went (in konqueror)? I saw it in SuSE but not in Kubuntu?
[01:08] <Xemanth^^> Vince McMahon <3
[01:09] <clem_yeats> hi there..
[01:09] <clem_yeats> I don't really understand.. why is KDE 3.5 available in breezy ? I thought new versions were coming on drapper...
[01:11] <clem_yeats> it's great new anyway.. but it's a bit intriguing...
[01:11] <clem_yeats> news
[01:13] <Red_Herring> back
[01:13] <Lord_Athur> hi all, is there a traslator english-spanish and vespaol-ingls to install via apt?
[01:13] <Red_Herring> !spanish
[01:13] <ubotu> Red_Herring: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[01:13] <Red_Herring> i know!
[01:14] <Red_Herring> !espa
[01:14] <ubotu> Red_Herring: My cat's name is Mittens!
[01:14] <Hobbsee> !es
[01:14] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> try in there
[01:14] <Red_Herring> wow, thats awesome of me
[01:14] <dark_suic> lol
[01:14] <Lord_Athur> Hobbsee, could you tell me the name of a traslator application to install with apt????
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Lord_Athur: apt-cache search translator
[01:15] <Hobbsee> pick one that seems suitable
[01:15] <rance> anybody use sql ledger?
[01:15] <almien> Lord_Athur: "wordtrans"? (I don't know what that is, just did "apt-cache search translator")
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> good idea :S
[01:16] <Lord_Athur> ok almien i will try it
[01:16] <clem_yeats> is kde 3.5.1 much better looking than 3.4 ?
[01:16] <Red_Herring> ya
[01:16] <almien> "wordtrans-kde" looks like the GUI
[01:16] <Hobbsee> there's ktranslator as well, it looks like
[01:16] <shmeebegek> how can I set up apt-get to look online? stupid question I know...
[01:16] <Red_Herring> !repos
[01:16] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[01:16] <Red_Herring> thats all
[01:16] <clem_yeats> shmeebegek : apt-setup
[01:16] <Red_Herring> !easyubuntu
[01:16] <`Nomad> Thanks for all that helped, I'm back up and with 351
[01:17] <ClayG> anyoen know a good place to get pixmaps (for icons I add to the panel)
[01:17] <clem_yeats> Nomad : how's 351 ? I'm upgrading this moment...
[01:17] <`Nomad> well, first it asked me for my Credit card number, I said no.. So it started telling me how nice I look, Have I been working out, etc.. SO I gave it the CC number.. It's gon eonline now, I don't know where or why?
[01:17] <`Nomad> lol
[01:18] <shmeebegek> hmm
[01:18] <clem_yeats> mmm
[01:18] <`Nomad> Looks pretty much teh same as before, is there a page that tells us what teh major improvements should be?  I guess it's mostly bug fixes.. :)
[01:18] <shmeebegek> well I did apt-setup, and it only seemed interested in the cd-rom
[01:18] <shmeebegek> and now I get an error when I try to do "apt-get install gaim"
[01:18] <Red_Herring> are you SU?
[01:18] <Red_Herring> root
[01:18] <Red_Herring> etc.
[01:18] <Red_Herring> try it with sudo
[01:19] <Red_Herring> "sudo apt-get install gaim"
[01:19] <clem_yeats> shmeebegek : you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, then do a aptitude update
[01:19] <shmeebegek> http://pastebin.com/533055
[01:19] <shmeebegek> yes I am root
[01:19] <Red_Herring> ok
[01:19] <Red_Herring> just have ta make sure
[01:19] <shmeebegek> clem_yeats: Ah thanks
[01:20] <clem_yeats> or in adept.. change the repositories..
[01:20] <clem_yeats> depends if you like the console or the click protocol better..
[01:20] <Red_Herring> vi is neat
[01:20] <Red_Herring> nano is nice
[01:21] <shmeebegek> there are a number here to uncomment
[01:21] <shmeebegek> which should I uncomment or add?
[01:21] <clem_yeats> personnally I uncommented all of them..
[01:21] <clem_yeats> and for every universe.. I added multiverse
[01:21] <clem_yeats> :)
[01:21] <shmeebegek> "also note that software in backports will NOT receive any review..."
[01:22] <shmeebegek> I'll do all except those heh'
[01:22] <clem_yeats> depends on your needs
[01:22] <Hobbsee> what?  backports stuff would be reviewed...
[01:22] <Hobbsee> it'd have to be...
[01:22] <shmeebegek> that's what it says
[01:22] <Hobbsee> weird!
[01:24] <shmeebegek> every time I run apt-get I get that error
[01:24] <Hobbsee> which error?
[01:24] <shmeebegek> oh shi
[01:24] <shmeebegek> *t
[01:24] <shmeebegek> I was running adept
[01:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:25] <shmeebegek> ahh there it goes
[01:25] <shmeebegek> kubuntu is working pretty well :)
[01:26] <hDp`> need 3 ET Mercs
[01:26] <clem_yeats> lol
[01:28] <thetr00per> hi everyone
[01:29] <thetr00per> newbie here; just installed kbuntu after a few years away from linux
[01:31] <clem_yeats> hi
[01:31] <thetr00per> hey
[01:31] <owner> thetr00per what did you use b4
[01:32] <thetr00per> mandrake about 2= years ago
[01:32] <thetr00per> just trying to find my feet again
[01:33] <`Nomad> Not much about goobuntu on google
[01:33] <`Nomad> !kde
[01:33] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[01:34] <nat> is some one use Raki ?
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: are you still there?
[01:36] <thetr00per> i've downloaded firefox but the shell is telling me that I need libstdc++
[01:36] <owner> get libstdc then
[01:36] <owner> from synaptic
[01:36] <thetr00per> maybe I should be logged on as root?
[01:36] <dark_suic> no, you need to install libstdc++5 in order to make it work :P
[01:37] <thetr00per> thanks! told you I was rusty!:-)
[01:39] <shmeebegek> I am trying to change the permissions on my ntfs mount points, and it just tells me "Read-only file system"
[01:39] <shmeebegek> and it doesn't change
[01:39] <shmeebegek> any ideas?
[01:39] <crimsun> you can't write to NTFS by default
[01:40] <crimsun> why are you trying to change permissions?
[01:40] <shmeebegek> it doesn't have read permissions
[01:40] <shmeebegek> I want it to have read permissions for all users
[01:40] <crimsun> did you mount it with umask=022 ?
[01:40] <shmeebegek> (I'm root)
[01:40] <shmeebegek> I didn't mount it
[01:40] <shmeebegek> it was mounted automatically I guess
[01:40] <shmeebegek> (I found this out when I tried to mount it...)
[01:41] <crimsun> /dev/sda1       /media/sda1     ntfs    umask=022,nls=utf8  0       0
[01:41] <crimsun> adjust yours as appropriate in /etc/fstab
[01:41] <shmeebegek> not sure what you're saying there
[01:43] <flipjarg> Can anyone tell me how to install my 'bittorrent' .deb file that i've downloaded from bittorrent.com?
[01:44] <flipjarg> i've tried 'apt-get install bittorrent.blah.blah.deb'
[01:44] <flipjarg> says tha package cannot be found.
[01:44] <jeroenvrp> flipjarg: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:44] <flipjarg> ok
[01:45] <flipjarg> looked like it worked, thank you :)
[01:45] <jeroenvrp> flipjarg: you're welcome
[01:45] <flipjarg> hmmmm... it doesn't work though.
[01:46] <jeroenvrp> what the problem
[01:46] <flipjarg> jason@obnoxium:~/Desktop$ bittorrent
[01:46] <flipjarg> Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:46] <flipjarg>   File "/usr/bin/bittorrent", line 177, in ?
[01:46] <flipjarg>     import gtk
[01:46] <flipjarg> ImportError: No module named gtk
[01:46] <flipjarg> it gives me that ^
[01:46] <jeroenvrp> ah
[01:46] <owner> you have to install grk
[01:46] <owner> gtk
[01:46] <jeroenvrp> sudo apt-get install gtk
[01:47] <flipjarg> can't find package... let me look in adept.
[01:47] <jeroenvrp> flipjarg: do this:
[01:47] <flipjarg> ..k
[01:47] <jeroenvrp> sudo dpkg -r bittorrent
[01:47] <flipjarg> removes it?
[01:47] <jeroenvrp> sudo apt-get install bittorrent
[01:47] <jeroenvrp> yes
[01:48] <jeroenvrp> what you do
[01:48] <owner> downloading from the repos will d/l all the dependencies
[01:48] <jeroenvrp> you remove the manual-deb and install (indeed owner) it from the repos, so all de dependencies are met
[01:48] <flipjarg> Yeah, i know about that. but i don't like that version
[01:48] <jeroenvrp> flipjarg: thats opk
[01:48] <owner> you should download it first from the repos then remove it
[01:48] <jeroenvrp> after you that
[01:48] <owner> but the dependencies will be kept installed
[01:49] <flipjarg> oh
[01:49] <jeroenvrp> after you installed the ubuntu-package, you can upgrade it with your manual .deb
[01:49] <owner> jeroen has the right idea
[01:49] <flipjarg> ah, i'll see what i can do there then.
[01:50] <jeroenvrp> flipjarg: just try the easy method first :-)
[01:50] <flipjarg> k
[01:51] <flipjarg> thanks guys i've got to go
[01:52] <jeroenvrp> flipjarg: good luck
[01:59] <Nirvana> I've been trying to compile flock for a while now, and always receive an error when it comes to building Mozilla. I have checked the mozilla build pre-req page, but it wasn't clear. I did what I could though. I downloaded their libIDL, and aliened it, I made sure I had all that gcc, pkgconfig, fontconfig, etc, and I get an error because (of what I believe is) the gtk files. Now, I am on Kubuntu, so I have to downloa
[01:59] <Nirvana> I've tried this so far: sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev libgtk1.2-dev, sudo apt-get build-dep mozilla-browser, and sudo apt-get build-dep firefox
[01:59] <Nirvana> None of them eased the error. I only thought of using the apt-get build-dep  because I figured if I was building from source, it might be smart to get the build dependancies...
[01:59] <Nirvana> error I receive: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/532048
[02:05] <tututu> hi.
[02:05] <tututu> does i am just running kubuntu, after my first installation
[02:05] <tututu> i went smoothly.
[02:05] <tututu> one question, does firefox come installed with kubuntu?
[02:06] <crimsun> no
[02:07] <tututu> does it come with ubuntu?
[02:07] <Xemanth^^> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox does da trick
[02:07] <Xemanth^^> withat that you get that freaking old 1.x Firefox
[02:07] <thetr00per> i need to get gcc on my box; how big is the file?
[02:08] <Xemanth^^> i mean 1.0.x
[02:08] <thetr00per> spot the newbie
[02:08] <tututu> where can i see the list of software to install?
[02:08] <tututu> yes, i want to install 1.5
[02:09] <Xemanth^^> i hope in Dapper Firefox 1.5 problems are solved :| Firefox 1.0.x is like over year old and still its not fixed in kubuntu
[02:09] <tututu> and what about kubuntu
[02:09] <tututu> *ubutu
[02:09] <Xemanth^^> tututu: in my kubuntu x64 at least i got errors when loading firefox, it wouldn't start
[02:10] <Xemanth^^> tututu: i installed today x86-64
[02:10] <Xemanth^^> damn
[02:10] <Xemanth^^> i mean x86
[02:10] <tututu> so, how can i see a list of pacakages to installed
[02:10] <tututu> to install
[02:10] <tututu> and the packages already installed in my system
[02:11] <Xemanth^^> tututu: /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:11] <Nirvana> to install Fx 1.5: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[02:11] <sampan> tututu  use Adept (package manager) application to view your already installed packages and to get others.  (you can manage your repositories list in Adept too)
[02:11] <Nirvana> tututu: to see packages installed / all available pkgs, open Adept. It's K > System > Package Manager (Adept)
[02:11] <tututu> wow. do i need to do all that to install it.
[02:12] <tututu> hell!
[02:12] <Nirvana> tututu: It's easy! Just copy and paste!
[02:12] <Xemanth^^> LOL
[02:12] <Xemanth^^> now i know why i didn't get 1.5 working
[02:13] <Nirvana> tututu: though if your lazy (like me) you could always look on apt-get.org for a Fx 1.5 deb, but it may break your Fx :P
[02:13] <Xemanth^^> i woun't even think how to get 1.6 working
[02:13] <Xemanth^^> :D
[02:13] <Xemanth^^> Nirvana: if i don't need flash/java crap and i need 1.5 working
[02:15] <tututu> thanks. Adept worked great
[02:15] <Xemanth^^> but hmm dunno, haven't test with x86, i lost my mind while testing that x86-64
[02:15] <Nirvana> Xemanth^^: Is that a question? If you don't need that, just only do a backup of your bookmarks, and not your plugins
[02:16] <Xemanth^^> Nirvana: firefox 1.5 from firefox.org failed to start in my system
[02:17] <Hobbsee> why'd it fail?
[02:17] <Nirvana> did you follow the wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion Guide?
[02:17] <Xemanth^^> it complained one weirdo error last month which i couldn't figure out
[02:17] <thetr00per> i take it ubuntu doesn't come with the nvidia drivers?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> and the dapper version seems to work, but keeps getting upgraded
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Xemanth^^: pastebin the error?
[02:17] <Xemanth^^> well this is first time when i hear about that help page!
[02:18] <Xemanth^^> Hobbsee: cant do anymore, i uninstalled that x86-64 after pulling too many hairs
[02:18] <sampan> thetr00per  there are nvidia drivers in the repos (nvidia-glx) -- they're not the absolute latest ones, but they've worked flawlessly for me thus far
[02:18] <Nirvana> thetr00per: Ubuntu prolly doesn't because they are either: non-free or proprietary (can't be redistributed)
[02:19] <sampan> !nvidia
[02:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[02:19] <_zero> ubotu: tell zero about easysource
[02:19] <Nirvana> !easysource
[02:19] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:19] <Xemanth^^> nvidia drivers are one of the easiest drivers to install in the world of linujx
[02:19] <Xemanth^^> linux*
[02:19] <Nirvana> why is apt-get.org so slow?
[02:20] <Nirvana> maybe ubotu knows :P
[02:20] <Nirvana> !apt-get.org: why is it slow?
[02:20] <ubotu> Nirvana: okay
[02:20] <Nirvana> awww :P
[02:20] <Xemanth^^> i think this might been problem:
[02:21] <Xemanth^^> 1 - Install suport for 32 bits applications:  sudo apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk linux32
[02:22] <Xemanth^^> didn't ever know that i should do that
[02:22] <Xemanth^^> in debian i didn't need to do that :|
[02:23] <Nirvana> Debian = Owd Skoo (btw: I suck at phonetics)
[02:23] <Xemanth^^> Nirvana: old skool ?
[02:25] <Nirvana> yep
[02:27] <Hobbsee> oops...
[02:27] <kingjere> Im trying to put kubuntu on a powerbook g3 with an external scsi cd rom. Can someone help me get started. i.e. boot from cd.
[02:28] <Nirvana> kingjere: hole c to boot from cd
[02:28] <Nirvana> that's C as in COOKIES
[02:28] <kingjere> tried that. that little smiling face just stares at me.
[02:29] <Nirvana> one mississippi minute, gotta google
[02:29] <Nirvana>  is there a google ext. for Konversation, would be real cool :P
[02:30] <Nirvana> kingjere: Check the has, and make sure you burnt the file as a DISK IMAGE, and not just dragged the .ISO file to the CD
[02:30] <Nirvana> to check hash, pls hold
[02:30] <kingjere> I burned with k3b as an image
[02:31] <kingjere> Right now the cd is spinning and that little smiling face is looking at me like he knows something i don't
[02:32] <Nirvana> hmm, try asking him to boot the Kubuntu CD :P
[02:32] <sampan> kingjere  if he starts talking and telling you to do terrible things, PULL THE PLUG FAST!
[02:32] <RobertKnight> Has anyone here had problems with the KMail after installing the Kubuntu KDE 3.5.1 packages?
[02:33] <RobertKnight> I'm getting an undefined symbol error on startup
[02:33] <Nirvana> RobertKnight: File a Bug Report
[02:34] <RobertKnight> I just wanted to check for anything obvious that I might have done wrong
[02:34] <Nirvana> kingjere: I wish I knew more about macs (they're shiny), but I don't, try ubuntuforums.org >> very smart people there
[02:34] <Nirvana> that said I've been Windows-free since Halloween!
[02:34] <Nirvana> which is...umm
[02:35] <Nirvana> 3 full months!
[02:35] <kingjere> I reburned the image and am trying again. There is alot more cd activity but alas, now its booting Mac OS
[02:35] <Nirvana> does it have a floppy drive?
[02:36] <Nirvana> maybe you can try a netboot
[02:36] <kingjere> It has a floppy, but net boot is a little beyond my experience
[02:36] <Nirvana> one sec, lemme find the page with netboot CD's
[02:37] <Nirvana> kingjere: Mac is UNIX right?
[02:38] <Nirvana> as in *nix?
[02:38] <kingjere> Ok
[02:38] <kingjere> what are you gettin at
[02:39] <Aji-Dahaka> Nirvana: not particularly.
[02:39] <Nirvana> kingjere: OK, now what you need is either 5 floppies, or one or two, and a lot of patience
[02:39] <Aji-Dahaka> it's based on mach
[02:39] <Nirvana> I thought it was based on BSD?
[02:39] <Aji-Dahaka> and its userland is kinda ununixy for the most part
[02:39] <Aji-Dahaka> Nirvana: mach microkernel for sure
[02:39] <kingjere> floppies I got (blowing the dust off of them)
[02:39] <Nirvana> kingjere: and here is the forum post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75372
[02:40] <Nirvana> make sure you read the part on what you do with the files, because those files are not zip files
[02:41] <Nirvana> wait, kingjere: do you want Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[02:42] <kingjere> either is Ok
[02:42] <Nirvana> I assumed Ubuntu (my bad)
[02:42] <Aji-Dahaka> so, who understands how linux/kubuntu deals with keys?  I've got a Super_R key that is behaving wrong.  I try to bind it to something, so I press it, the label says Win, I hit X (for instance) it suddenly becomes Alt+X
[02:42] <Nirvana> if you want Kubuntu, do a server install (read later in that post) and do a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:42] <kingjere> are you sure these images are for Mac
[02:43] <tututu> does anybody know why do i get this error when running apt-get
[02:43] <tututu> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:43] <tututu> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:43] <Aji-Dahaka> tututu: do you have something else with the file open?
[02:44] <Aji-Dahaka> tututu: like adept/kynaptic/dselect/etc?
[02:44] <tututu> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:44] <tututu> adept is open
[02:44] <Aji-Dahaka> close it and see if that keeps happening
[02:44] <Aji-Dahaka> (should fix it)
[02:45] <Nirvana> tututu: make sure adept/apt-get aren't running!
[02:45] <tututu> thanks.
[02:46] <tututu> i have downloaded skype
[02:46] <tututu> the .deb
[02:46] <tututu> how do i install it locally
[02:46] <zorba64> Nirvana, googlized ubuntu...apparently
[02:46] <Nirvana> lol
[02:46] <Aji-Dahaka> noone with an idea about this broken key behaviour?
[02:46] <Nirvana> tututu: right click: Ubuntu Package Something > INstall Package
[02:47] <tututu> but, how do i do it from the cmd line?
[02:47] <Aji-Dahaka> tututu: dpkg -i
[02:47] <Aji-Dahaka> tututu: man dpkg
[02:47] <Nirvana> sudo dpkg - filename.deb
[02:47] <Nirvana> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[02:48] <tututu> so dpkg is for local files
[02:48] <tututu> and apt-get is for remote files?
[02:48] <Aji-Dahaka> tututu: dpkg is what all the other tools use
[02:48] <Aji-Dahaka> tututu: so apt-get uses dpkg to install stuffs (iirc)
[02:48] <Kubuntu> why Aji-Dahaka, why?
[02:48] <tututu> ok. cool.
[02:48] <tututu> thanks.
[02:48] <Aji-Dahaka> Kubuntu: because it makes my keyboard not work
[02:48] <tututu> there are some problem with dependencies
[02:49] <Kubuntu> Kick me again and I'll shove you keyboard where the sun don't shine...
[02:49] <Kubuntu> in the garbage
[02:49] <Aji-Dahaka> Kubuntu: :)
[02:49] <Kubuntu> yeah....
[02:49] <Aji-Dahaka> tututu: install the dependencies.  apt should have them
[02:49] <Aji-Dahaka> (though for me skype was broken)
[02:49] <tututu> is there a way to do that automatically
[02:49] <Aji-Dahaka> tututu: apt-get install <package name>
[02:50] <Aji-Dahaka> I think that's as automatic as it gets for that
[02:50] <tututu> nope
[02:50] <tututu> wellk i did right click, install
[02:50] <tututu> didn't run it from the cmd line
[02:51] <Nirvana> who was trying to install skype: read here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto
[02:51] <tututu> thanks.
[02:51] <Nirvana> good ol' wiki
[02:51] <Aji-Dahaka> ooh, fancy
[02:51] <tututu> thanks a lot
[02:52] <Aji-Dahaka> I don't see why it's doing this ... how is it gettitg the idea that it's Alt and not Win?
[02:53] <Nirvana> why, what does the win key do?
[02:54] <Aji-Dahaka> well, I go to the shortcut thing to bind it, press the "win" key, says Win, press the other key (like X) and it'll say Alt+X
[02:54] <Aji-Dahaka> broken behaviour as X is reporting it as Super_R on press and release ...
[02:55] <Nirvana> maybe file a bug?
[02:55] <Aji-Dahaka> I suppose
[02:55] <Aji-Dahaka> wonder whose this is.  Seems particular to kubuntu, I guess I'll try there
[02:56] <tututu> is there a shortcut for launching the terminal?
[02:56] <Aji-Dahaka> works for me in non-linux kde and gentoo kde (I think)
[02:56] <Aji-Dahaka> tututu: you can make one :)
[02:56] <Aji-Dahaka> tututu: use the global hotkeys system
[02:56] <tututu> but with the keyboard
[02:56] <tututu> what is that?
[02:56] <Aji-Dahaka> in the control panel, you go to *looking*
[02:57] <Aji-Dahaka> regional and accessibility -> input actuans
[02:57] <Aji-Dahaka> actions*
[02:57] <Aji-Dahaka> you can bind keys to do pretty much anything you can imagine
[02:57] <Aji-Dahaka> (probably more ... )
[02:57] <tututu> where is the control panel?
[02:57] <tututu> is it system settings?
[02:58] <Aji-Dahaka> yeah, system settings
[02:58] <tututu> yes, found it
[02:58] <tututu> ok.
[02:58] <Aji-Dahaka> meant kcontrol :p
[02:58] <Aji-Dahaka> control panel ... heh ...
[02:58] <Aji-Dahaka> had to set up a windows machine recently :(
[02:58] <Hobbsee> everyone, please ignore me - trying to figure out konversation aliases
[02:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys, where in kde are saved the preferences selected in the past for "open as..." in the contextual menu
[02:58] <tututu> cool. thanks man
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:58] <Hobbsee> as in, i'm not out to ban people at random :P
[02:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i remember that in gnome i can edit it directly from the contextual but in kde i have no idea :)
[02:59] <Hobbsee> woohoo!
[03:00] <callie> having fun Hobbsee ?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> callie: sure, playing around with aliases, because some of the commands are really, really long!
[03:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> someone remember this location?
[03:00] <callie> they are Hobbsee ?
[03:00] <Aji-Dahaka> hmm ... where is that bug thingit
[03:01] <Hobbsee> and when you want to ban quickly, you dont want to be wondering "hmmm...now what command do i want again?"
[03:01] <Hobbsee> callie: sure, /msg chanserv op #kubuntu Hobbsee
[03:01] <Hobbsee>  /quote remove #kubuntu nick quitmsg
[03:01] <Hobbsee> plus any of the mode ones
[03:01] <Aji-Dahaka> ah, launchpad.net
[03:03] <Aji-Dahaka> so kubuntu bugs go under ubuntu?
[03:03] <Nirvana> Kubuntu >= Ubuntu
[03:03] <Aji-Dahaka> Nirvana: where's the bug reporting thingit?
[03:05] <Aji-Dahaka> ah, bugzilla from the kubuntu.org page
[03:06] <Aji-Dahaka> anyone have a working Windows key on their keyboard?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Aji-Dahaka: yes, they do, they all go into launchpad
[03:10] <Aji-Dahaka> Hobbsee: could you open xev and paste me the keycode output when you hit that key?
[03:11] <starhawk> hi all
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ah, no sorry, i was replying to the "where to report bugs"
[03:11] <Hobbsee> my win key doesnt work
[03:12] <Hobbsee> but it's in the top corner of the keyboard anyway, so is a pain
[03:12] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, whoops
[03:12] <Nirvana> Is it just me or is GNOME ugly?
[03:12] <Nirvana> I'm looking at screenshots, and it's nothing like Windows or KDE, it's more, big-footy
[03:13] <Aji-Dahaka> it's kinda ugly :p
[03:13] <starhawk> I would like to know how to install (xmame-0.103.tar.bz2) on kubunta
[03:13] <Aji-Dahaka> not as flexible in appearance as KDE (I don't think)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:13] <Hobbsee> i dont like it
[03:13] <starhawk> I am new at this
[03:13] <Hobbsee> starhawk: compile it
[03:13] <Hobbsee> !compile
[03:13] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[03:14] <starhawk> what dose that mean
[03:14] <Nirvana> !compile
[03:14] <starhawk> I am new to this
[03:14] <Nirvana> read^^
[03:14] <Nirvana> !compile
[03:14] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[03:14] <starhawk> ok thank you
[03:16] <Nirvana> most likely, what you want to do is type ./configure, then check to see if you have all the dependancies (build-essential, etc) and then make install, or if you want to make a .deb for others to use, you do make fakeroot checkinstall
[03:16] <Nirvana> !commands
[03:16] <ubotu> hmm... commands is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[03:16] <Nirvana> wow, people at ubuntuforums.org hate me...
[03:20] <sean_micken> so, does one must run a full dapper system to get kde3.5.1?
[03:21] <owner>  why nirvana
[03:21] <callie> ok this is interesting QTparted is reporting a partition as being hdb8 and DF is reporting it as being hdb9, any ideas here guys?
[03:23] <owner> what is DF?
[03:23] <callie> well 'df'
[03:24] <owner> ok
[03:24] <kb> anyone willing to answer a simple question?
[03:24] <Nirvana> df = disk info (free space)
[03:24] <callie> pretty useful comman really
[03:24] <Nirvana> kb: I am a simple man
[03:24] <Nirvana> sean_micken: no, just wait for it to be release for Breezy
[03:25] <kb> hehe.... well, I'm just trying to determine where I can safely put a firefox tgz file and untar it in ubuntu
[03:25] <Nirvana> technically, anywhere
[03:25] <Nirvana> but the cool people
[03:25] <Nirvana> haha b)
[03:25] <Nirvana> B)^
[03:25] <kb> yeah... that part I knew... but note the word safely
[03:25] <_zero> can anyone point me towards a guide to installing vmware?
[03:26] <Nirvana> well, people like to use their ~/ (home) directories, but I like /opt
[03:26] <kb> what's the purpose of opt? optional?
[03:26] <Nirvana> _zero: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingVMWare?highlight=%28vmware%29
[03:26] <Nirvana> maybe
[03:27] <Nirvana> alls I know is that that's where I put Fx last time I installed it
[03:27] <shmeebegek> so now I am trying to compile my ZyDAS drivers, and it's looking for a directory called "build" in the kernel source directory
[03:27] <Nirvana> but that said, read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[03:27] <shmeebegek> but, this directory is not present
[03:27] <shmeebegek> any ideas?
[03:28] <kb> hey!  that's pretty much exactly what I was looking for.  I just didn't stumble across it.  8)-~
[03:28] <kb> thanks Nirvana
[03:28] <Nirvana> shmeebegek: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:28] <Nirvana> here's a search: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/ZydasZD1211?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=zydas&fullsearch=Text
[03:30] <shmeebegek> wonderful :)
[03:30] <Nirvana> hey guess what everyone. Chances are, you don't want to type /list --> it's really long
[03:31] <starhawk> hi me again
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hehe Nirvana!
[03:31] <Nirvana> hello
[03:31] <sean_micken> Nirvana: but i would like at least 3.5
[03:31] <Hobbsee> in irssi, you have to type /list =YES for it to work lol - it refuses with /list
[03:31] <Nirvana> sean_micken: there was an announcement for 3.5
[03:31] <Nirvana> one sec...
[03:32] <starhawk> ok what do I do with this  (./configure)
[03:32] <starhawk> do I put the file name with it or what
[03:32] <Nirvana> wait, sean_micken: it seems there was an announcement for 3.5.1, that I didn't read!
[03:32] <Nirvana> HOORAYYY!
[03:32] <Nirvana> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[03:32] <Nirvana> starhawk: no, just type ./configure
[03:33] <Nirvana> but make sure you are IN THE DIRECTORY THAT YOU UNZIPPED THE PROGRAM
[03:33] <sean_micken> Nirvana: right! now, how do i get it on breezy? do i have to upgrade to dapper?
[03:33] <Nirvana> sorry, cheese dip on caps key
[03:33] <Nirvana> sean_micken: no
[03:33] <Hobbsee> sean_micken: you can get it on breezy
[03:33] <starhawk> ok then how dose it know what to configure
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Nirvana: hehe, sounds like you should clean your keyboard!
[03:34] <Nirvana> sean_micken: type this (in Konsole): wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[03:34] <Nirvana> Now type this (same konsole): sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[03:35] <Nirvana> Now type this: sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:35] <shmeebegek> how long should "modprobe" take?
[03:35] <Nirvana>     * deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[03:35] <Nirvana>     * deb ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de/pub/kde/stable/3.5.1/kubuntu breezy main
[03:35] <Nirvana>     * deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5.1/kubuntu breezy main
[03:35] <Nirvana>     * deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.5.1/kubuntu breezy main
[03:35] <Nirvana> copy those into /etc/apt/sources.list, but delete the *
[03:36] <Hobbsee> you'll only need one repo, not all of those
[03:36] <Hobbsee> they're mirrors
[03:36] <shmeebegek> just an order of magnitude? seconds, minutes?
[03:36] <Nirvana> ^^ beat me to it
[03:36] <Nirvana> sheebegek: depends on system
[03:36] <shmeebegek> Nirvana:  Kernel 2.6.12, Kubuntu...
[03:36] <Nirvana> sheebegek: faster system = faster compiling
[03:36] <shmeebegek> Nirvana:  The driver is ZyDAS 1211
[03:36] <shmeebegek> Nirvana:  Ah, P4 3.2Ghz
[03:36] <Nirvana> just let it go
[03:37] <Nirvana> bah, p4...
[03:37] <shmeebegek> I am, but I'm just wanting to know how long it will take before I might suspect that it has locked up
[03:37] <Nirvana> p3 700Mhz > p4 3.2Ghz
[03:37] <shmeebegek> hey I got this laptop for $1000, a deal that I couldn't refuse
[03:37] <shmeebegek> it has a 17.1" screen
[03:37] <shmeebegek> :)
[03:37] <sean_micken> Nirvana: i don't need all of those mirrors, do i?
[03:37] <Nirvana> no
[03:37] <sean_micken> Nirvana: also, can you tell me how to get nvidia driver installed?
[03:38] <Nirvana> https://wiki.ubuntu.com > search nvidia and click text not titles
[03:38] <shmeebegek> what exactly does modprobe do though? does it actually start the module?
[03:38] <Nirvana> sheebegek: lol, nice and, yes, compiling does take a long time, and it has not frozen
[03:38] <shmeebegek> I've had lockups with (the  Windows version of) this driver
[03:38] <shmeebegek> Nirvana:  Well I already compiled, it does further compiling on modprobe?
[03:39] <Nirvana> maybe
[03:39] <shmeebegek> Nirvana:  I'm just wondering, am relatively new to Linux
[03:39] <Nirvana> same
[03:39] <Nirvana> well
[03:39] <Nirvana> 3 months..
[03:39] <shmeebegek> also I'm wondering how I only have 6MB of RAM free
[03:39] <shmeebegek> when I have 512MB of RAM
[03:39] <shmeebegek> :-/
[03:39] <shmeebegek> and in "top", I see nothing using a lot of memory
[03:39] <shmeebegek> highest thing is using 4%
[03:40] <Nirvana> mod probe = kernel modules = lots o' memory
[03:40] <shmeebegek> has been like this every time I've checked
[03:40] <Nirvana> you can read here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-howto/c1605.htm
[03:40] <shmeebegek> but I'll check it again when modprobe ends
[03:41] <Nirvana> that said, YIPEE, I am downloading kde 3.5.1....hopefully the desktop bug was fixed...
[03:41] <shmeebegek> also, is there a shortcut key to switch tabs in Kubuntu? on Windows it is ctrl+tab
[03:41] <zorba64> shmeebegek, is probably cached for later use
[03:41] <shmeebegek> but that seems to switch desktops
[03:42] <`Nomad_Away> no more kdevelop^
[03:42] <`Nomad_Away> ?
[03:42] <shmeebegek> (how can I check how much is "really" being used then?)
[03:42] <Nirvana> no idea
[03:43] <shmeebegek> hmm, how long as modprobe taken for you in the past?
[03:43] <Nirvana> I've never even heard of it til today :D But I know compiling kernels can take a long time
[03:43] <shmeebegek> I'm not compiling the kernel though :-/
[03:44] <Nirvana> modprobe = modules for kernel
[03:44] <shmeebegek> I know what it is
[03:44] <shmeebegek> it installs the module AFAIK
[03:44] <shmeebegek> I already compiled it
[03:45] <Nirvana> hmm
[03:45] <Nirvana> I'd say let it do whatever, and check back in a while
[03:46] <Nirvana> aww, kde 3.5.1 65 MB of archives...I'm gonna be d/ling all night!
[03:46] <Nirvana> well, 1h2m30s... but yeah
[03:47] <mpm2> Anyone know how to find out what video card is installed in a computer (short of opening it up and trying to read off the card)?
[03:47] <Nirvana> umm
[03:47] <Nirvana> top?
[03:47] <Nirvana> top << type that in Konsole
[03:48] <zorba64> shmeebegek, ksysguard
[03:49] <Nirvana> I got ripped off! it's not 700Mhz... it's 696.991...
[03:50] <Nirvana> mpm2: do you have Windows on that computer?
[03:50] <Nirvana> try sisoft Sandra
[03:50] <mpm2> Nirvana: no, but I figured it out lspci
[03:50] <Nirvana> ohh yeah!
[03:50] <bimberi> mpm2: i'm in here too :P
[03:50] <mpm2> err someone on #ubuntu told me :-) thanks
[03:51] <Nirvana> sheit, I knew that!
[03:51] <zorba64> shmeebegek, pretty coloured graphs shoudl give you an idea
[03:51] <_shmeebegek> anyone got a link to the "WiFiHowTo"?
[03:51] <callie> mpm2, lspci
[03:51] <_shmeebegek> the one that I've found is broken
[03:52] <callie> anyone here familiar with QTparted?
[03:52] <zorba64> callie, have used it a few times
[03:52] <_shmeebegek> I can see the network
[03:52] <_shmeebegek> but I don't know how to make it connect
[03:52] <Nirvana> _shmeebegek: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com and search for it, such as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowTo
[03:53] <callie> i've got a drive here showing up as read-only, strange thing is that its not and i've been altering the fs earlier
[03:53] <zorba64> callie, what do you mean by altering the fs?
[03:53] <Nirvana> check your /etc/fstab
[03:54] <callie> converting fat partitions to ext3 zorba64
[03:54] <callie> Nirvana, the drives are not mounted
[03:54] <Nirvana> I don't understand then... how is it not mounted, yet showing up as read only?
[03:55] <zorba64> callie, then you may have to reboot to update the partition table, or try unmounting then remounting that partition then see if it reads it as r/w
[03:55] <_shmeebegek> I don't know what's going on, I'm chatting but  I can't ping google
[03:55] <callie> zorba64, its not one partition but it seems the whole drive
[03:55] <_shmeebegek> I can't go to the website
[03:56] <zorba64> callie, did you run qtparted as root/sudo?
[03:56] <callie> zorba64, yup
[03:56] <Nirvana> wow, lag: 8s...lol
[03:56] <_shmeebegek> Nirvana:  to me ?
[03:57] <Nirvana> nope, to #kubuntu
[03:57] <_shmeebegek> this is strange
[03:58] <Nirvana> _shmeebegek: try kdesu systemsettings, click network, and verify the correct settings are there
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Nirvana: what's teh problem?
[03:58] <zorba64> callie didnt chaged the size of the partition?...just unmounted it and formatted it?
[03:58] <callie> zorba64, yeah
[03:58] <Nirvana> hobbsee: downloading kde 3.5.1
[03:58] <Nirvana> sow: 50m12s
[03:59] <Hobbsee> yay
[03:59] <callie> gonna try a reboot
[03:59] <callie> brb
[04:00] <Nirvana> not yay, it's 10, will be 11 by the time it's done, and I have a science exam tomorrow morning! and science is evil and there's aphids in my textbook
[04:00] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[04:00] <Hobbsee> so stop chatting, and study, then come back when it's done
[04:01] <Nirvana> I studied enough... just that this computers too noisy to sleep near
[04:01] <Nirvana> hence why I can't sleep now :P
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:02] <cgentry72> can someone help? I can't boot into my newest kernel since i changed my bootsplash according to instructions here http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31192
[04:02] <cgentry72> how do i fix that... at this point i dont care about a bootsplash
[04:04] <Nirvana> did you modify the /boot/grub/menu.lst (sorry I can't open the link, I'm d/ling kde 3.5.1) In this case, open konqueror and check to see if you have a menu.lst~, and just restore that
[04:05] <Nirvana> or, you can apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to try to fix it...
[04:05] <Bicchi> When I move any window on the desktop there apears to be a long shadow that trails back to the original location. I have 1GB of ram and a fast cpu. What could this be.
[04:05] <kb> Nirvana...  Just wanted to thank you again.  that site was exactly what I needed.  8)
[04:05] <cgentry72> apt-get update and apt-get upgrade?
[04:05] <cgentry72> i did that but haven't rebooted yet to see if it worked
[04:06] <Nirvana> you could try (I'm sorry I can't visit the site to be more helpful)
[04:06] <cgentry72> also how do i remove older kernels?
[04:06] <Nirvana> cgentry > it is not wise to, but if you must know
[04:07] <Nirvana> open a konsole, and cd /
[04:07] <Nirvana> now ls -all and look for someline like vmlinuz.old and initrd.old
[04:08] <cgentry72> everything looks fine in the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:08] <cgentry72> it goes through the grub boot and then it just stalls unless i pick an older kernel
[04:08] <Nirvana> god,I wish the page would just load...
[04:08] <Nirvana> what error do you get?
[04:09] <cgentry72> on kde-look it says this: 1) Move the file to /usr/lib/usplash.
[04:09] <cgentry72> 2) $ sudo ln -sf /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntucrystal-splash.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so
[04:09] <cgentry72> 3) $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[04:09] <cgentry72> 4) Reboot and look.
[04:09] <cgentry72> step 3 is probably the problem
[04:09] <sean_micken> did the packagers not including xinerama support in the kde packages?
[04:09] <sean_micken> i don't see the xinerama options in my desktop settings
[04:10] <Nirvana> maybe when you reconfigured, something went wrong?
[04:10] <sean_micken> Nirvana: i never configured 3.4 either
[04:10] <sean_micken> fresh install
[04:11] <Nirvana> sean_micken: I was talking to cgentry72 ... forgot to prefix that with their name
[04:12] <Nirvana> sean_micken: xinerama doesn't come packaged with Kubuntu, if that's what your wondering
[04:12] <cgentry72> i'm not sure what you mean by reconfigure?? does everything appear correct in the instructions?
[04:12] <Nirvana> usually when you dpkg reconfigure, it asks you questions, gives you options. Did it?
[04:13] <cgentry72> nope
[04:13] <callie> okay, i sorted it by formatting from a command line
[04:13] <callie> :D
[04:14] <cgentry72> so do u think upgrading or updating will correct this?
[04:14] <callie> now all i got to do is move around 60GB of data :D
[04:15] <gamma> how do i go about downgrading a package?
[04:15] <callie> but i at least now have a truely windows free computer!
[04:16] <Nirvana> gamma: does Synaptic have a downgrade option, I know Adept doesn't.
[04:16] <Nirvana> and I don't know if there's a command either.
[04:16] <MadRush> whats the right man i should be reading if id like to add screen resolutions
[04:17] <Nirvana> man xorg maybe? I usually tell people to search ubuntuforums.org
[04:18] <MadRush> alrighty
[04:19] <gamma> Nirvana: there's gotta be some kind of command line :/
[04:20] <Nirvana> gamma: I'm new to linux too, try man apt-get
[04:20] <gamma> i'm trying that right now D:
[04:20] <Nirvana> MadRush: you want to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:20] <MadRush> actually i did
[04:20] <MadRush> it didn't do anything, much to my suprise
[04:20] <Nirvana> MadRush: and for modes, you do
[04:21] <Nirvana> "999x999" "888x888"
[04:21] <Nirvana> ohh, then try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:21] <Nirvana> wait, b4 you do that
[04:22] <Nirvana> make sure you put it in all of them (well at least depth 24 and depth 16)
[04:22] <MadRush> yeah, i did.  im gonna do the dpkg thing, and before i do, what's it do? (it obviously seems to reconfigure it, but eh what's it mean)
[04:24] <sean_micken> Nirvana: i have a bunch of packages being keep back.. how do i get those upgraded?
[04:25] <Nirvana> MadRush: I know that it will ask you for resolutions. Just keep a back up or xorg.conf just in case
[04:25] <callie> sean_micken, unless you have any real reason to upgrade i recommend that you dont
[04:25] <MadRush> ok. thanks a lot
[04:26] <GameOver69> hey guys what program is comparable to dc++... i tried linux dc++ but its too buggy
[04:27] <Nirvana> gamma: you want the option -t
[04:27] <Nirvana> I think
[04:27] <Nirvana> GameOver69: what is dc++ (I have no working internet connection right now, and can't google/look at web pages, but I would like to help)
[04:28] <callie> WOW! not using any vfat drives has halved my usage of ram
[04:28] <callie> freaking hell!
[04:28] <MadRush> hmm
[04:28] <MadRush> that bothers me heh
[04:28] <Nirvana> also is the linux version buggy as in it crashes, or buggy as in it won't start
[04:28] <MadRush> gives me all the more reason to want to format my new drive in ext3
[04:29] <callie> ext3 certainly operates a lot faster under linux too
[04:29] <callie> as you'd expect
[04:29] <sean_micken> callie: well, it's the newer version of a bunch of kde apps... why is it blocking those anywy?
[04:30] <callie> sean_micken, blocking?
[04:30] <sean_micken> held back
[04:30] <Nirvana> gamma: are you there, I found it!
[04:31] <Nirvana> what you do is apt-get install (PROGRAM) -t version#
[04:31] <callie> im not 100% on this but i dont think they get upgraded unless a dependancy demands it or you specify that you'd like them to upgrade
[04:32] <Nirvana> sean_micken: try sudo apt-get upgrade -s to do a simulation, which will tell you the error
[04:33] <callie> its likely that upgrading some of those packages might break some other dependancies
[04:33] <Hobbsee> sean_micken: sudo apt-get dist-upgarde
[04:33] <MadRush> nirvana i owe you
[04:33] <MadRush> heh
[04:33] <sean_micken> Hobbsee: yep, and its giving m ea list of packages being "kept back"
[04:33] <Nirvana> :D
[04:33] <Hobbsee> callie: more likely that they're trying to install more packages
[04:33] <Nirvana> Not bad for a 3 month user, eh?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> sean_micken: even with a dist-upgrade?
[04:34] <GameOver69> Nivana: its a direct connect client
[04:34] <sean_micken> Hobbsee: yes
[04:34] <GameOver69> its a p2p client os to speak
[04:34] <Hobbsee> pastebin the entire error?
[04:34] <MadRush> oh my
[04:35] <MadRush> okay i have an interesting dilemna: i cant play with my network settings because i cant see the buttons, they go off the bottom of my screen (1024x768 is my max)
[04:35] <Nirvana> MadRush: that is a bug
[04:35] <dark_suic> it has happened to a lot of people, MadRush
[04:35] <MadRush> oh
[04:35] <MadRush> heh
[04:35] <michael> are all athlon chips k7 architecture?
[04:35] <dark_suic> MadRush, try running kdesu kcontrol
[04:35] <Nirvana> what you want to do is in the terminal, type kdesu systemsettings
[04:35] <Nirvana> anf click network from there
[04:35] <denny> hello
[04:36] <denny> I need some help
[04:36] <Nirvana> ^^kcontrol is good too
[04:36] <denny> now I'm usin ubuntu
[04:36] <ClayG> manveru, does anyone know what the name of the package is for the firefox java plug in?
[04:36] <Nirvana> well GameOver69: in 12 minutes, not only will I have Kde 3.5.1, but I will be able to help!
[04:36] <ClayG> using the ubuntu guide doesn't work, i think the info's old
[04:36] <denny> and i want to install kubuntu
[04:36] <Nirvana> denny: just ask the question
[04:36] <GameOver69> Nirvana, kde 3.5.1 came out>
[04:36] <GameOver69> ?
[04:36] <denny> ok
[04:36] <Hobbsee> !tell ClayG about java
[04:37] <denny> to install the kde desktop
[04:37] <denny> is just I type
[04:37] <denny> sudo apt-get install kde
[04:37] <Nirvana> gameover69: yes, check Kubuntu.org > front page, second post
[04:37] <denny> ?
[04:37] <Nirvana> no
[04:37] <GameOver69> oh goood
[04:37] <Nirvana> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:37] <Nirvana> denny: type: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:37] <denny> ok
[04:37] <denny> thnx
[04:37] <GameOver69> is that the command for 3.5.1
[04:38] <denny> I'm usin
[04:38] <Nirvana> gameover69: read the announcement, you have to add some keys, and edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to get 3.5.1
[04:38] <cgentry72> how do i remove a kernel version because my newest kernel is all screwed up since i tried the bootsplash thingy
[04:38] <GameOver69> yeah i see it
[04:39] <cgentry72> i've tried to update and upgrade and it didn't work
[04:39] <GameOver69> Nivana: is it worth the update
[04:39] <ClayG> manveru, does anyone know what the name of the package is for the firefox java plug in?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> !tell ClayG about javadeb
[04:40] <ClayG> looks like he/she aint listening , lol
[04:41] <sean_micken> ok
[04:41] <Nirvana> OK
[04:41] <sean_micken> here's the pastebin
[04:41] <MadRush> 'Su returned with an error'
[04:41] <sean_micken> http://pastebin.com/533258
[04:42] <Nirvana> cgentry72: you will probably have to restore your older kernel, and upgrade to get the new one back
[04:42] <Nirvana> sean_micken: use sudo
[04:42] <Nirvana> !sudo
[04:42] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[04:42] <Nirvana> !su
[04:42] <ubotu> Nirvana: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:42] <cgentry72> and by restore do you mean completely restore, like with the install cd?
[04:42] <cgentry72> please say no
[04:42] <Nirvana> no
[04:42] <Hobbsee> !su is see !sudo
[04:42] <ubotu> Hobbsee: okay
[04:43] <Nirvana> cgentry72: no
[04:43] <cgentry72> ok and how do i restore?
[04:43] <Nirvana> cgentry72: what you do is
[04:43] <Nirvana> one sec
[04:43] <Nirvana> laggy computer
[04:43] <cgentry72> k
[04:43] <Nirvana> do you have the *.10 kernel installed?
[04:43] <Nirvana> I assume you do...
[04:43] <cgentry72> yes
[04:44] <Nirvana> alright
[04:44] <cgentry72> currently 2.6.12-10-686
[04:44] <Nirvana> first do this:
[04:44] <sean_micken> Nirvana: i am using sudo
[04:45] <Nirvana> cgentry72: cd /; sudo mkdir backup
[04:45] <Nirvana> sean_micken: su returned with an error = use sudo, no?
[04:45] <Nirvana> cgentry, copy that^^^
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Nirvana: yes, use sudo
[04:45] <sean_micken> Nirvana: no... my error is that packages aren't being upgraded, but kept back.
[04:46] <Nirvana> OK
[04:46] <Hobbsee> sean_micken: can you pastebin the entire error that you get please?
[04:46] <cgentry72> k
[04:46] <sean_micken> Hobbsee: i did man.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> did you give us the link?
[04:46] <Nirvana> sean_micken: copy and paste this: sudo apt-get upgrade -s
[04:46] <Nirvana> cd /; sudo mkdir backup
[04:46] <sean_micken> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/533258
[04:46] <Hobbsee> oh, thanks :)
[04:46] <Nirvana> http://pastebin.com/533258 =  link
[04:47] <Nirvana> anyways, cgentry72, you there?
[04:47] <cgentry72> yes
[04:47] <Nirvana> you did the http://pastebin.com/533258
[04:47] <Hobbsee> sean_micken: try "sudo apt-get install libkcddb1 libkonq4 libkpimexchange1 libkpimidentities1 libkscan1 libksieve0 libktnef1"
[04:47] <Nirvana> F*&*!
[04:47] <sean_micken> Hobbsee: or just -f for force, eh?
[04:48] <Nirvana> cgentry72: I meant, you did the: cd /; sudo mkdir backup
[04:48] <cgentry72> yes
[04:48] <Hobbsee> just try those libs
[04:48] <Nirvana> OK
[04:48] <Nirvana> now
[04:48] <manveru> ClayG: you called?
[04:49] <Nirvana> sudo cp vmlinuz /backup; sudo cp vmlinuz.old /backup
[04:49] <cgentry72> ok
[04:49] <GameOver69> woo finished updating to 3.5.1
[04:49] <Nirvana> God that's fast!
[04:50] <Nirvana> I just finished downloading :P
[04:50] <GameOver69> im gonna restart when i come back i want an asnwer to tha tdc++ question :)
[04:51] <Nirvana> cgentry72: now, just delete (sudo rm vmlinuz; sudo cp vmlinuz.old vmlinuz) the old one, and put in the new one
[04:52] <cgentry72> ok
[04:52] <Nirvana> not yet
[04:53] <Nirvana> sudo mv /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386 /backup/
[04:54] <Nirvana> that makes your old vmlinuz be restored, pointing to your old kernel, and your new vmlinuz be put in teh backup dir
[04:54] <Nirvana> now, do cd /; ls -all
[04:55] <cgentry72> ok
[04:55] <Nirvana>  and make sure vmlinuz shows this: vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386
[04:55] <Nirvana> note the 9 (nine) and not the 10 (ten)
[04:55] <Nirvana> OK, now it's time for the initrd thing
[04:56] <Nirvana> it's basically the same steps
[04:57] <Nirvana> cd /; sudo cp initrd /backup; sudp cp initrd.old /backup; sudo rm initrd; sudo cp initrd.old initrd; sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-386 /backup
[04:58] <Nirvana> cd /; sudo cp initrd /backup; sudo cp initrd.old /backup; sudo rm initrd; sudo cp initrd.old initrd; sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-386 /backup
[04:58] <Nirvana> cgentry ^^ that was for you, the latter one, the former has a typo
[04:58] <cgentry72> how do i make sure vmlinuz shows boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386?
[04:58] <ClayG> I'm trying to get the games from pogo to work for my Gf, anyone here play on pogo.com?
[04:58] <Nirvana> you don't, it has to show it
[04:59] <cgentry72> sorry yes it does
[04:59] <Nirvana> and did you do the initrd steps too?
[04:59] <cgentry72> not yet getting ready to
[04:59] <Nirvana> cgentry72: cd /; sudo cp initrd /backup; sudo cp initrd.old /backup; sudo rm initrd; sudo cp initrd.old initrd; sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-386 /backup
[05:00] <_zero> does anyone know how to set colors in programs like Konsole?
[05:00] <Nirvana> why did clayG leave....
[05:00] <`Nomad> Would anyone here have experience with installing a Samsung laser printer?  linux is supported, an dthey come with their own CD for installation, but it keeps asking me for a root password into it, I can<t seem to avoid it, no matter what i do..
[05:00] <Nirvana> _zero: settings: Schema
[05:00] <cgentry72> first part says cp omitting directory 'initrd'
[05:00] <Nirvana> root pass = user pass?
[05:01] <Nirvana> darn, my bad cgentry72
[05:01] <`Nomad> ohh!!  I just went deeper in teh options, it's a CUPS admin password it wants
[05:01] <Nirvana> one sec
[05:01] <`Nomad> it doesn,t work when I use my regular id an dpass no :(
[05:02] <GameOver69> Nirvana, how u doin man... would u be able ot help me now?
[05:03] <Nirvana> cgentry72: cd /; sudo cp initrd.img /backup; sudo cp initrd.img.old /backup; sudo rm initrd.img; sudo cp initrd.img.old initrd.img; sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-10-386 /backup
[05:03] <Nirvana> GameOver69: yes
[05:03] <cgentry72> k
[05:03] <tecs> how do i go back to the default kde settings for kubuntu. cause for some reason while tweaking my settings my fonts for some apps are super small. i already adjusted the fonts in settings but apps like xchat has super small fonts
[05:03] <GameOver69> ok so i need an alternative to DC++ i tried linux dc++ but its not that great
[05:03] <cgentry72> i cant' do that all on line can i?
[05:03] <GameOver69> i have valknut... a nd im not diggin that much either... doesnt seem tolike to connecto to othehr users
[05:03] <Nirvana> cgentry72: you should be able to paste it
[05:04] <`Nomad> !cups
[05:04] <ubotu> from memory, cups is The Common UNIX Printing System (or CUPS) is a printing system and general replacement for lpd and the like.  See also http://linuxprinting.org/
[05:04] <cgentry72> k done with that
[05:05] <Nirvana> cgentry72: make sure you have:initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-386 and vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 when you do an ls -all
[05:06] <cgentry72> yes i have all that
[05:07] <cgentry72> so now ls -all?
[05:07] <Nirvana> ls -all = directory listing = should tell you what I told you
[05:07] <cgentry72> yes it does
[05:07] <Nirvana> GameOver69: I didn't forget about you, I'm searching sf.net for an alternative
[05:08] <GameOver69> Nirvana, thank you
[05:08] <cgentry72> now what do i do?
[05:08] <Nirvana> cgentry72: one sec
[05:09] <cgentry72> k srry
[05:09] <Nirvana> OK
[05:10] <zblach> hi
[05:10] <zblach> i'm having serious trouble. i'm half-way to a 3.5.1 move, and things aren't going well
[05:10] <Nirvana> cgentry72: now open (sudo kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst) your grub menu list
[05:10] <cgentry72> k
[05:10] <Nirvana> zblach: explain problems, post errors at kubuntu.pastebin.com and link here
[05:11] <zblach> can't open konquerer
[05:11] <zblach> thats a problem, for starters
[05:12] <cgentry72> got it
[05:12] <tecs> just wondering will ubuntu detect components on a very ol;d machine.? im planning to revive a p166 64 mb ram 5 gig hd that has been stuck for years. but is working im going to replace the hard drive though... i mean its a p166:)
[05:13] <michael> umm, when you run glxgears where do the fps show up???
[05:13] <Nirvana> cgentry72: now look for the part that says "title Ubuntu kernel 2.6.12-10-386" and "title Ubuntu kernel 2.6.12-10-386 (recovery mode)" -> just delete the whole section, from title to boot, and leave the three sections that have "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386" and "Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386 (recovery mode)" and of course "memtest86+"
[05:14] <Nirvana> tecs: yes
[05:14] <cgentry72> ok
[05:14] <Nirvana> michael: look for the command switch, usually they tell you how to make the fps show
[05:14] <Nirvana> gameover69: I have not forgot about you
[05:15] <michael> command switch?  not familiar with that term... man glxgears shows nothing, although I found one online...
[05:15] <Nirvana> gameover69: is http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxdc (wxdc) good enough
[05:15] <gamma> zblach: try rebooting or restarting x atleast?
[05:15] <zblach> yup
[05:15] <Nirvana> glxgears --help?
[05:15] <cgentry72> ok so the first one is Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12 default
[05:15] <zblach> uh... panel says 3.4.3 and konq. says 3.5.1
[05:15] <gamma> zblach: eek so you only half installed.. does adept give you any more pkgs to upgrade?
[05:16] <tecs> will kde work fine with that? i eman wont it have troubles? im palnnign to revive it for my lil sister so she can play with it
[05:16] <Ayiden> I am building a server. I have a domain name that will be linked to the servers IP. When the OS is installed and the domain asked should the domain that the computer will host be put there or should localhost?
[05:16] <GameOver69> nirvana... thanks
[05:16] <Nirvana> cgentry72: should be Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386
[05:16] <zblach> gamma: no. no more to upgrade
[05:16] <Nirvana> gameover69: was that it?
[05:16] <zblach> adept says 0
[05:16] <GameOver69> nirvana.... how do u check to see if i my3d card is set to the ati drivers i have
[05:16] <GameOver69> fglrx? or something
[05:17] <tecs> grep
[05:17] <cgentry72> k it's not
[05:17] <Nirvana> gameover69: lspci tells you what your 3d card is
[05:17] <Nirvana> cgentry, I'll paste you what you need, one sec
[05:17] <cgentry72> k thanks for your help really
[05:17] <GameOver69> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7                                                                                       LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] 
[05:18] <GameOver69> yeah but does tha tmean the drivers are installed properly
[05:18] <gamma> zblach: re-update your source list thingy
[05:18] <hatake_kakashi> GameOver69: that's got nothing to do with drivers
[05:18] <hatake_kakashi> that's just what kernel detected
[05:18] <Nirvana> cgentry72: why doesn't it have a 10 or 9?
[05:18] <zblach> gamma: can you reword that?
[05:18] <GameOver69> hatake_kakashi, ok so how do i check
[05:19] <gamma> zblach: click the first button on the left in adept
[05:19] <GameOver69> because i coudlnt even run a simple game like darwinia and i know i can run it
[05:19] <Peolo2> hi there
[05:19] <Nirvana> cgentry72:paste it at http://cgentry72.pastebin.com
[05:19] <Peolo2> huhhh i got it
[05:19] <Peolo2> im in
[05:19] <cgentry72> i have 2.6.12-9-386 but it's further down the list
[05:19] <Peolo2> :9
[05:19] <Peolo2> :9
[05:19] <hatake_kakashi> GameOver69: I believe after installing it, it should come under as modules.. so maybe lsmod| grep fglrx or something?
[05:19] <Peolo2> im so hapy :)
[05:19] <Nirvana> cgentry72: paste your whole /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:20] <GameOver69> hatake_kakashi, nothing ha ppened
[05:20] <cgentry72> http://cgentry72.pastebin.com/533281
[05:20] <Ayiden> is it okay that I kept the default "localhost" if not then how do I change it?
[05:20] <Peolo2> could any1 tell me please which libs i need for firefox ? im kinda new in linux things. about 4 days now. installed suse, but today i installed kubunti
[05:20] <Peolo2> works well
[05:20] <hatake_kakashi> GameOver69: type lsmod and look for something new.. I do not know the exact module name for ATI as I currently do not have it yet
[05:21] <zblach> Gamma, tried that a few times. not working
[05:21] <zblach> nothing left to upgrade, supposedly
[05:21] <GameOver69> yes but if u type in something fglrx i know it tells u what drivers are being used
[05:21] <Peolo2> firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:21] <gamma> and you have the line 'deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main'?
[05:22] <hatake_kakashi> GameOver69: as in used by X?
[05:22] <Peolo2> apt-get install libstdc
[05:22] <Peolo2> ?
[05:23] <tecs> hmmm, how come some games that i install through synaptic wont show up in the games menu
[05:23] <Ayiden> When kubuntu asks on installation what the domain should be is that for local networks only? It should have nothing to do with my domain that the computer is hosting correct?
[05:23] <Peolo2> yep ayiden
[05:23] <cgentry72> Nirvana: still there?
[05:24] <zblach> gamma: yes
[05:24] <Ayiden> tecs: because the installlations didnt put the links there check the games and put a link in /usr/bin to the program and then it will most likely show up
[05:24] <Ayiden> Peolo2: Thank you
[05:24] <Peolo2> well, i need sum help. if any1 got a sec and wants to help a fresh new ubuntu user out --> feel free to pm me
[05:25] <Ayiden> tecs: that is if the game wont run too
[05:25] <Peolo2> im not sure what libs i`ve to install
[05:25] <Peolo2> wanna install "firefox" and xchat
[05:25] <Ayiden> b/c its isnt in your path.. also add it semi manually with the menu edit
[05:26] <Nirvana> cgentry72: http://cgentry72.pastebin.com/533289
[05:26] <michael> well good news!  installing k7 linux headers & nvidia drivers (from nvidia's site) fixed xmms, amarok, and kaffeine refusals to function... all is working now after those 2 changes... i suspect it was making my kernel k7 rather than 386 that did it but i'm not sure!
[05:26] <tecs> well i went to the /usr/games and i saw the game exe there. a lot of them but about 40% of the games wont even load
[05:26] <gamma> Peolo2: is that after installing firefox yourself?
[05:26] <Nirvana> I did it
[05:26] <gamma> Peolo2: or via apt-get?
[05:26] <Peolo2> i just extracted it
[05:26] <GameOver69> hatake_kakashi, what u mean as used by X?
[05:26] <Nirvana> cgentry72: make sure you read the top part.
[05:26] <Nirvana> of http://cgentry72.pastebin.com/533289
[05:26] <gamma> Peolo2: is there a firefox in the repository?
[05:26] <Peolo2> im working now 1 hour with ubuntu. never used linux before
[05:27] <gamma> Peolo2: ooh..
[05:27] <Peolo2> gamma i dont know what you talking about
[05:27] <Peolo2> im using linux now for 4 days
[05:27] <gamma> Peolo2: you on kubuntu?
[05:27] <Peolo2> yes
[05:27] <Peolo2> installed suse before. but well suse suxxx
[05:27] <hatake_kakashi> GameOver69: X is the GUI side of things.. and generally, I'm sure once you install video drivers, they come as modules
[05:27] <Peolo2> now im running kubuntu
[05:27] <gamma> ok, open adept in kde menu/utilities
[05:27] <Nirvana> peolo2: what are you trying to accomplish
[05:28] <Nirvana> oh firefox
[05:28] <hatake_kakashi> Peolo2: different people, different tastes, one of my friends is recommending suse for beginners even after I told him about ubuntu/kubuntu
[05:28] <cgentry72> got it, i'll try that
[05:28] <cgentry72> then what do i need to do
[05:28] <Peolo2>  ./firefox
[05:28] <Peolo2> when i do
[05:28] <Nirvana> Peolo2: that is the hard way
[05:28] <gamma> Peolo2: pm
[05:28] <Peolo2> ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:28] <Peolo2> it tels me .--->
[05:28] <Peolo2> roger that
[05:29] <Peolo2> thx
[05:29] <tecs> imho suse detects more hardware than ubuntu, so perhaps thats why he is offering suse to new users like me. but suse wont work on mine ehhehe
[05:29] <Nirvana> tecs: that is because suse can bundle proprietary drivers :D
[05:29] <Nirvana> shiet, I gotta go to sleep!
[05:30] <Nirvana> cgentry72: you restart
[05:30] <Peolo2> can you read what i write gamma ? @query ?
[05:30] <cgentry72> k be back
[05:30] <Peolo2> coze im not regged atm
[05:30] <owner> you have to install
[05:30] <owner> libstdc++
[05:30] <owner> peolo
[05:30] <tecs> heheh i installed suse so amny times before i did ubuntu, but it always comes to a point that my os is messed up. so i end up l;ookign for  another distro luckily i picked ubuntu:)
[05:30] <gamma> Peolo2: not getting anything back
[05:30] <owner> do sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[05:30] <Peolo2> im not registred
[05:30] <gamma> Peolo2: blah.. in the kde menu open adept in utilities
[05:30] <Peolo2> no i need to check my email when im regged here ?
[05:30] <Peolo2> do
[05:30] <Peolo2> ?
[05:31] <gamma> dunno
[05:31] <Peolo2> coze no way to get em atm
[05:31] <Peolo2> what`s the reg command for this server ?
[05:31] <Nirvana> it's /msg nickserv IDENTIFY <yourpass>
[05:32] <gamma> Peolo2: for the firefox problem.. open adept in utilities, put your user password in, go to quick filter, type firefox, select the firefox package, and install
[05:32] <Nirvana> gamma is right^^
[05:32] <Peolo2> ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:32] <tecs> ok lastly. anyone knows of a good eays to use torrent client that is gui like bitcommet or bittorrent in windows?
[05:32] <Peolo2> ahh sorry
[05:32] <Nirvana> tecs: ktorrent
[05:32] <gamma> tecs: i use ktorrent.. probably the best client i've found
[05:33] <Nirvana> ^^lol
[05:33] <gamma> :D
[05:33] <owner> better than azureus?
[05:33] <Nirvana> for Kubuntu, yep
[05:33] <gamma> it's basically azureus minus the heavy memory useage
[05:33] <Nirvana> not better than utorrent, because it's sooooo tiny!
[05:34] <Peolo2> im using now ubuntu coze i hope i can get my ati card runnin
[05:34] <tecs> is that in synaptic repositories?
[05:34] <Peolo2> does not work with suse :(
[05:34] <hatake_kakashi> bitcomet is _not_ a good bt client :p
[05:34] <tecs> or do i download from the net
[05:34] <Peolo2> or kinda too hart zo install
[05:34] <cgentry72> Nirvana: the first one worked
[05:34] <Nirvana> Peolo2: Open Adept, and quick filter Firefox, select it for install, and click the checkmark
[05:34] <Nirvana> cgentry72: OMG!!!
[05:34] <gamma> tecs: google ktorrent, go to their page and download the i386 deb file for the latest version, then type dpkg -i debfilehere
[05:35] <gamma> tecs: an old version is in the manager
[05:35] <tecs> same with me Peolo2 thats why i switched to ubuntu, although there are more thigns to do to keep the system up and running at least yuou can do it with the help of dozens of brilliant people here:)
[05:35] <Nirvana> cgentry72: that was probably the hardest thing I've ever had to teach someone over the internet!!
[05:35] <Nirvana> cgentry72: and it worked!
[05:35] <cgentry72> yes and /me thanks you
[05:36] <Nirvana> cgentry72: ohh crap, almost forgot, you may want to sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:36] <cgentry72> alrighty
[05:36] <Nirvana> callie's back
[05:36] <callie> did you miss me?
[05:37] <tecs> errors where encountered while processing...hmmm
[05:37] <Nirvana> a little, yes
[05:37] <cgentry72> update did fine upgrade says 0 upgrade, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[05:37] <callie> or did you think i fried something Nirvana ?
[05:38] <Nirvana> cgentry72: you apt-get update'd right?
[05:38] <Nirvana> callie: :P
[05:38] <cgentry72> yes
[05:38] <callie> lol
[05:39] <`Nomad> Argggghhh!!  What is wrong with CUPS on Kubuntu?  Every try is an adventure!!  Admin functions have been disabled, please use teh gnome System > Administration > Printing
[05:39] <tecs> gamma im going to paste what the terminal said
[05:39] <Nirvana> cgentry72: one sec
[05:39] <Nirvana> cgentry72: must find reinstall command
[05:39] <tecs> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/39391
[05:39] <cgentry72> ok
[05:39] <owner> nomad it is possible to enable it
[05:40] <`Nomad> Do I have to install Gnome just to set up a printer?? :(
[05:40] <owner> there is some instructions on the ubuntuforums
[05:40] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: no
[05:40] <`Nomad> owner:  I'm all ears... :)
[05:40] <`Nomad> off the FAQ?
[05:40] <owner> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48286&highlight=CUPS+login
[05:41] <Nirvana> cgentry72: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.12-10 --reinstall
[05:41] <_zero> does anyone know what the hardware detection is like in vmware when emulating windows XP?  like, is it worth destroying a real version of an XP dual boot over?  or is it not good enough to rationalize that?
[05:41] <tecs> gamma: nvrmnd got it working...hehe just right clicked it and actions then install package now its working. that was easy heehh thnx
[05:42] <cgentry72> couldn't find package reinstall
[05:42] <Nirvana> did you type --reinstall?
[05:42] <gamma> tecs: i didn't know you could do it that way :P
[05:42] <cgentry72> already the newest version
[05:42] <gamma> that's the easy way;)
[05:42] <Nirvana> cgentry72: it thinks that
[05:43] <Nirvana> cgentry72: sudo apt-get remove linux-headers-2.6.12-10 && sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.12-10
[05:44] <cgentry72> now it's doing something
[05:44] <Nirvana> _zero: anything is worth destroying xp over
[05:44] <Nirvana> cgentry72: it will be removing the image, and installing it again
[05:44] <_zero> Nirvana, well, good point, but is the detection and compatibility the same as if it were the real thing?
[05:44] <owner> _zero well one thing you cant do it play games
[05:44] <`Nomad> owner: I'll say thanks now, before I go crazy trying to follow that loooooooooong page of things to do.. :)
[05:44] <Nirvana> cgentry72: yes, vmware is the real thing, just emulated
[05:45] <cgentry72> ok done - last thing - Setting up linux-headers-2.6.12-10 (2.6.12-10.26) then prompt
[05:45] <owner> nomad lol
[05:45] <hatake_kakashi> owner: technically you can, but you only run at 30fps
[05:45] <Nirvana> _zero: yes, vmware is the real thing, just emulated
[05:45] <Nirvana> ^^true
[05:45] <Nirvana> and 30fps = on a good system!
[05:46] <_zero> Nirvana, so for example, my usb sound card will have the same effect on sound and everything as if it were the real thing?
[05:46] <Nirvana> yep
[05:46] <_zero> owner, you can't play games?  why not?
[05:46] <owner> _zero, i dont think you can install video card drivers with vmware
[05:46] <hatake_kakashi> _zero: there are such information on vmware
[05:47] <cgentry72> Nirvana - so am i done
[05:47] <Nirvana> cgentry72: when it is done, tell me if "ls -all /" shows vmlinuz and initrd.img pointing to the one witha  10 and not a 9
[05:48] <sean_micken> anyway to get newer nvid drivers without doing the manual nvidia install?
[05:48] <_zero> owner, are games playable in wine then?
[05:48] <sean_micken> like some other repo
[05:48] <owner> _zero, some are
[05:49] <owner> wine or cedega
[05:49] <owner> ive played cs in cedega
[05:49] <owner> but its hardly worth buying cedega
[05:49] <Nirvana> cgentry72: did you do it?
[05:49] <tecs> well jsut a thought is linux much lighter when it comes to using resources than windows?
[05:49] <cgentry72> vmlinuz and initrd.img isn't pointing to anything vmlinuz.old and initrd.img.old is pointing to 2.6.12-10-386
[05:49] <owner> tecs, depends what windowmanager you use
[05:49] <Nirvana> really?
[05:50] <tecs> kde
[05:50] <hatake_kakashi> tecs: yes and no.. yes if you are willing to suffice all those fancy bits, but no. not from most standard distros
[05:50] <callie> hmmm, just had some weird beeping here
[05:50] <cgentry72> vmlinuz and initrd.img are there but not pointing to anything
[05:51] <callie> a rapid repetition of beeps, kinda scary, although everything appears to be working
[05:51] <hatake_kakashi> in a nutshell, you can turn eye-candy 3d things off from any distro, just quit using X, and then you got yourself a lean-and-mean OS :p
[05:51] <`Nomad> callie: check for a stuck keyboard key
[05:51] <Nirvana> cgentry72: how big is vmlinuz and initrd?
[05:51] <owner> was this in kde callie
[05:51] <cgentry72> vm linuz 1207017
[05:51] <cgentry72> and initrd.img 5298497
[05:51] <callie> the beep came from my system speaker, yes im in kde and no there are no stuck keys
[05:52] <tecs> hmmm.... cause just an observation. since 2004 ive been folding in this same machine usign windows. this is my 2nd motnh using linux. i noticed i crunch faster than windows when it comes to folding. here i can finish one work unit in 2 days. in windows itl take me bout 3-3.5 days
[05:52] <owner> callie, if you run alsamixer
[05:52] <owner> you can mute the pc speaker by pressing m
[05:52] <Nirvana> cgentry72: is that bigger than vmilinuz.old?
[05:52] <callie> im more concerned its something failing
[05:52] <cgentry72> much bigger
[05:52] <Nirvana> what's the size of *.old
[05:52] <Nirvana> OK
[05:52] <owner> i doubt it callie
[05:52] <cgentry72> vmlinuz.old is only 26
[05:52] <_zero> owner, so if I eliminate windows for my vmware windows, then will I screw over my ATI Radeon X300?  or is the driver for it installable?
[05:52] <Nirvana> so what happened was
[05:53] <owner> _zero you can use the fglrx driver in linux
[05:53] <callie> well, i had some problems with random shutdowns, i had to disable apci to fix it owner
[05:53] <owner> but i doubt games will be playable in vmware
[05:53] <hatake_kakashi> owner: it is possible, but I don't understand why people have to do it through vmware when its on their own home box
[05:54] <owner> callie you can try checking the system temps
[05:54] <owner> is that a laptop callie
[05:54] <_zero> owner, so if my ATI driver works in kubuntu (which it does), then vmware should be fine?
[05:54] <Peolo2> n8
[05:54] <Nirvana> cgentry72: what happened was instead of installing in /boot, it installed in / --> This is not a problem though. I can tell you how to fix it, but not today (it's probably not even worth fixing). If your on another day, just remind me to. I'll prolly be on tomorrow
[05:54] <callie> its a desktop owner my cpu is only running at 40 degrees celcius
[05:54] <cgentry72> alright as long as everything is current i really dont care
[05:55] <owner> callie, doesnt sound like anything could go wrong
[05:55] <Nirvana> cgentry72: this won't affect anything btw, but just to be sure, paste the output of cat /boot/grub/menu.lst at cgentry72.pastebin.com
[05:55] <callie> im just curious as to what it means now owner
[05:56] <`Nomad> Administrative functions in CUPS have been disabled, I can't use the web interface.
[05:56] <cgentry72> what was the pastebin website again
[05:56] <Nirvana> http://cgentry72.pastebin.com/
[05:56] <`Nomad> I can hear Bill Gates laughing at us, wearing a T-Shirt that spells CUPS
[05:56] <`Nomad> Argh!
[05:57] <cgentry72> http://cgentry72.pastebin.com/533321
[05:57] <Nirvana> cgentry72: yep, all good. shouldn't have any troubles
[05:57] <sean_micken> kubuntu made my onboard card the primary card, i'd rather my PCI card be the primary... how would i configure this?
[05:57] <Nirvana> now to see what KDE 3.5.1 is like!!
[05:58] <cgentry72> alrighty but up to date correct?
[05:58] <sean_micken> sound.
[05:58] <Nirvana> yep
[05:58] <Nirvana> cgentry72: yep
[05:58] <cgentry72> thank u very much again
[05:58] <cgentry72> should i change to 686 instead of 386
[05:58] <Nirvana> Linux people are always there to help Linux people :D
[05:59] <Nirvana> you could, but there's not much of a performance increase, as in, you'll only notice if you run a benchmark, and even then it will prolly be a decimal
[06:00] <callie> yeah but come in here on a windows box and we hunt you down and erm... erm.... format all your hard disks!
[06:00] <cgentry72> k thanks again, if i see u tomorrow i will hit ya up
[06:01] <`Nomad> There's no way I'm going to keep a windows box running just for printing!!  argH!
[06:02] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: sudo `app` does not work? :p
[06:02] <`Nomad> nope
[06:03] <`Nomad> the installation software demands to have the CUPS admin username and password..
[06:03] <`Nomad> to the best of my understanding, that is now my regular username and password.. after having followed the instructions from the forum
[06:03] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: well.. try and configure CUPSd via su and dpkg
[06:05] <`Nomad> dpkg?  as in dpkg-configure cupsd    ?
[06:06] <`Nomad> woah.. doing it now..
[06:07] <`Nomad> cross my fingers
[06:08] <`Nomad> didn't change a thing
[06:08] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: isn't there an option to set username and password?
[06:08] <`Nomad> yup..
[06:08] <`Nomad> did it.
[06:08] <hatake_kakashi> you need to probably restart cupsd to make it take effect.. or reload
[06:08] <`Nomad> I've been hacking at linux forever.. THIS is my white whale!!  lol
[06:09] <`Nomad> the dpkg restarted it already
[06:09] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: try configuring snd blaster awe32 isa card on linux :P
[06:09] <hatake_kakashi> hmm
[06:09] <`Nomad> I used to own one.. :)
[06:10] <triplep> any known reason for a fatal sound server overload, then it dies ungracefully?
[06:10] <`Nomad> Can't stand to see this line anymore:  Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu System > Administration > Printing.
[06:11] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: there are ways around such things.. and I hope you are on KDE
[06:11] <`Nomad> When I use Printing, that's where I cannot be allowed in.. So secure I'll never be able to print.. :(
[06:11] <`Nomad> yes, KDE always!
[06:11] <`Nomad> I was hoping to get the driver off the CD and bypass all of this.. bu tnot sure what's involved
[06:11] <`Nomad> printing was never such a complicated thing to me before, I never needed to jump so many hoops
[06:12] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: ok, well, right click on K and click on Menu editor, and navigate to that program you use.. find out the exact line, and use sudo to deal with it.. if not.. check cupsd howto
[06:12] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: I'm sure there are ways around such things.. you just have to tinker around
[06:12] <`Nomad> I know, I'll figure it out, but it's amazingly frustrating
[06:12] <`Nomad> thanks for the help
[06:13] <triplep> Nomad, 'sudo -i' then run 'kontrol' shouldn't cause too many more problems
[06:13] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: right now I can think of two other possible alternatives, one is to add yourself to printing group or prn? and maybe the other is to try and get it through smb
[06:13] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: np
[06:14] <`Nomad> triplep:  kcontrol?
[06:14] <`Nomad> or kontrol
[06:15] <triplep> kcontrol.... i had to set it up like that a few weeks ago
[06:15] <`Nomad> when I go that route, it even shows my printer under tteh first USB, by name.. But there are no drivers for it
[06:15] <triplep> you have all of the gimpprint and foomatic drivers installed?
[06:16] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: there is another route.. go runlevel 3 and kill X, login as root on those vt and type 'startx'
[06:16] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: I think that is a security bug or a bug I found very recently ;)
[06:17] <`Nomad> hatake: what would that do?
[06:18] <`Nomad> to start X that way I mean?
[06:19] <hatake_kakashi> `Nomad: you go init 3 whilst on those vt and go as root, kill X and then type startx as root on vt
[06:20] <`Nomad> you mean keep my running session, switch to another screen and start X again?  Sorry, it's getting late here and I'm tired
[06:21] <triplep> bypassing kdm in the process... is that were the management issue lies?
[06:22] <`Nomad> I just followed through using the printer config from kcontrol.. I selected other for drivers, found mine and installed it.. It happily reports that test pages were sent successfully, but I don't knwo where.  Please check your printers in case there was a mis-connection  ;0
[06:23] <dotchad> why you prefer KDE instead Gnome?
[06:24] <varsendagger> hey what does everyone think of the new Plasma project?
[06:24] <orion_fr_24> !flash
[06:24] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[06:25] <varsendagger> what kind of room is this?
[06:25] <picoss> !flash
[06:25] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[06:26] <orion_fr_24> !freeformats
[06:26] <ubotu> methinks freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[06:30] <FunkyELF> hey guys, this is my first time using kubuntu, or any *buntu for that matter.  Anyway, I wanted to mount my windows partition and realized that I was never asked for a root password during the install.
[06:30] <Aji-Dahaka> when you sudo, just use your user password
[06:30] <FunkyELF> ,,.how do I set the root password so that I can mkdir /mnt/windows and run the mount command?
[06:31] <FunkyELF> Aji-Dahaka: so ubuntu doesn't use su ?
[06:31] <Aji-Dahaka> use sudo and not root
[06:31] <Aji-Dahaka> it /can/ but ...
[06:31] <sampan> !root
[06:31] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:31] <Aji-Dahaka> it prefers sudo
[06:31] <FunkyELF> can I "sudu su" ?
[06:32] <Aji-Dahaka> you could sudo passwd ...
[06:32] <sampan> funkyelf  sudo -i  or sudo -s work to get a root-shell ... or just sudo mkdir /foo/bar
[06:33] <FunkyELF> ....so I install firefox right off the bat and I get this message "The file /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found.  Please check the location and try again"
[06:33] <Aji-Dahaka> huh, people are still using firefox, huh
[06:33] <Aji-Dahaka> that's great :)
[06:34] <kkathman> Aji-Dahaka:  what else ?? hehe
[06:34] <FunkyELF> Aji-Dahaka: what do you recommend?
[06:34] <zorba64> FunkyELF, change you home page setting
[06:34] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, I love the konqueror
[06:34] <kkathman> icck
[06:35] <sampan> *shrug*  ff gets chinese fonts right -- konq doesn't and i can't find a place to set them for different chinese encodings either
[06:35] <kkathman> its getting there
[06:35] <zorba64> seamonkey
[06:35] <FunkyELF> is there a group that all users belong to by default?
[06:35] <FunkyELF> what should I chown /mnt/windows to?
[06:35] <kkathman> yah agreed sampan  just not mature enough
[06:35] <Aji-Dahaka> sampan: huh, I do Japanese (not Chinese until next semester) but never have probs with konqueror and fonts
[06:35] <Aji-Dahaka> sampan: roughly the same character set
[06:36] <sampan> aji-dahaka  heh.  not at all -- there are at least FOUR different character (unicode) sets for chinese: tw, mainland, hk, singapore
[06:36] <kkathman> Konq still has problems rendering some sites true
[06:36] <kkathman> I prefer either Firefox or Opera
[06:36] <kkathman> but to each their own
[06:36] <Aji-Dahaka> sampan: oh, interesting.  didn't know that they had separate sets for the different dialects ... that's cool
[06:36] <sampan> and ff gets them right -- konq doesn't even have a place for me to SET which font to use with which encoding
[06:36] <sampan> not dialects
[06:36] <sampan> different unicode character sets
[06:37] <Aji-Dahaka> tw and hk are both dialects
[06:37] <FunkyELF> anyone recommend what I should chown /mnt/windows to so that normal users can have access?
[06:37] <sampan> no, they're places.
[06:37] <kkathman> but nice that (k)ubuntu can support all fo them...choice is the key
[06:37] <Aji-Dahaka> dialects and places ...
[06:37] <Aji-Dahaka> but anyways ...
[06:37] <Aji-Dahaka> the interesting part is that I didn't know that they were using differenty charsets for it
[06:38] <sampan> no. there is no "hong kong" dialect.  there is cantonese which predominates there.  and there is a "taiwan" dialect, but most people on taiwan speak mandarin (and some speak other dialects besides)
[06:39] <Aji-Dahaka> Standard Cantonese (~Guangzhou dialect, Hong Kong dialect, Macau dialect)
[06:40] <Aji-Dahaka> in my linguistics class we called it hong kong dialact
[06:41] <Aji-Dahaka> it's rude to call anything "standard" :p
[06:43] <varsendagger> what do y'all think of the Plasma Project
[06:43] <Aji-Dahaka> I think aaron will do a good job with it
[06:44] <Hobbsee> varsendagger: should be fun, looking forward to seeing it
[06:47] <sampan> aji-dahaka  i'm quite sure linguistics labels change rather frequently.  if your class calls HK a dialect that's fine.  (personally when people can go from gz to hk and not miss a word i find using 'dialect' too strong of a term -- it's like saying someone from norcal and socal are speaking "dialects" of english -- ludicrous to me).  in any case, dialects are spoken and have NOTHING to do with character encoding (primarily a politi
[06:50] <Aji-Dahaka> for the purpose of the class we used "hong kong" dialect to label what you seem to call just cantonese
[06:50] <Aji-Dahaka> but as there are several dialects under the label of cantonese, it would be a poor (imho) choice for a label
[06:52] <sampan> you didn't really understand my point (you're still thinking in terms of labels in a book).  but it's all off-topic so i'll drop it.  point of it is: ff deals with characer encoding well and konq doesn't -- so there are GOOD reasons for some people to use ff and not konq. :)
[06:53] <Aji-Dahaka> which would be an interesting point if it had been debated
[06:56] <Aji-Dahaka> dialects are spoken and have NOTHING to do
[06:56] <Aji-Dahaka> ...
[06:56] <Aji-Dahaka> dialects are not just differences in spoken language
[07:02] <sampan> mea culpa.  i most likely should have added: "[in this case of electronic character encoding of chinese characters the spoken dialects]  have nothing to do with ..."  your initial raising of dialect has virtually no relevance to character encoding (since after all: a text written in cantonese, mandarin, or fujianese is readable by a literate person in all of the dialects).  if you care to show me how dialect is relevant to character
[07:03] <sampan> yeah -- sometimes i type more than i realize
[07:03] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, it happens :)
[07:03] <sampan> indeed .. the line ended:  if you care to show me how dialect is relevant to character encoding, please do so: but do so in #kubuntu-offtopic not here ;)
[07:04] <sampan> just in case it got cut off
[07:11] <ice-blizzard> hi
[08:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> someone is online?
[08:04] <robotgeek> no Tallia1Kubuntu
[08:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> does it exist a way to link to a key combination the showdesktop command of klipper?
[08:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i didn't see any message in one hour, so i asked
[08:06] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: i lost you on that one
[08:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want a key combination to show the kde desktop
[08:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like win+d in windows
[08:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> robotgeek: do you understand?
[08:09] <sampan> tallia1kubuntu  could just use the key combo to switch to an empty desktop (default is cntl-f1, cntl-f2, cntrl-f3, etc.)
[08:09] <sampan> probably could switch those to whatever you liked though
[08:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhhh
[08:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu>  i don't have those hotkeys .:.... :(
[08:10] <sampan> control - f1 ?
[08:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no
[08:13] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes, system-settings -> accessibility _> shortcuts
[08:13] <sampan> tallia1kubuntu: in konsole, type: kdesu kcontrol ... then go to regional and accessibility ... then click on "keyboard shortcuts" -- you can set key combos to move through desktops (navigation heading or desktop switching heading)
[08:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can't use it
[08:14] <kameron> anyone have their screensaver not running after upgrading to latest packages?
[08:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried, kdesu is not necessary, but it doesn't work
[08:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> where's the kicker config folder?
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can check which is the script that switch to desktop and create an hotkey link from the kmenu
[08:15] <kameron> Tallia1Kubuntu, /~/.kde/share/apps/kicker
[08:17] <kameron> or maybe /~/.kde/share/config/kicker something like that.. Tallia1Kubuntu
[08:18] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: you don't even need kdesu
[08:21] <sampan> lol true -- i almost never even use sys settings -- always just go right to kcontrol, but shortcuts are in sys settings too.  if that isn't working then something seems really ... wrong
[08:21] <lunitik> Any chance of a meta-package that uses koffice instead of openoffice, but keeps everything else the same...
[08:21] <lunitik> say 'kubuntu-desktop-alt' or something?
[08:22] <lunitik> Riddell: pretty please  ^
[08:23] <lunitik> www.kubuntu.org puts koffice out there so much, and openoffice is just too clunky... but using the meta packages makes it much easier to maintain through any changes that might occure  :(
[08:24] <owner> robotgeek did you hear arnieboy claims to have removed --force-yes from automatix
[08:25] <owner> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563
[08:26] <owner> have to check it out to make sure
[08:26] <robotgeek> owner: okay, will do
[08:26] <monzie> can someone tell me how to install qt4 via apt in kubuntu?
[08:26] <owner> last time i checked the script it was used over 30 times
[08:26] <robotgeek> owner: i hope finally
[08:27] <nalioth> monzie: apt-cache search libqt
[08:27] <monzie> okay nalioth
[08:27] <Borg^Queen> Hi people. I'm trying to add a new user but every time I try to log in as the new user, I can something about "could not read network connection //.DCOP etc" please check that the dcopserver program is running
[08:27] <monzie> thanks
[08:27] <Borg^Queen> I get this with both new users
[08:28] <owner> in usr/local/automatix it creates the "autoscript" file
[08:28] <owner> cant find any force in it this time
[08:28] <monzie> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=breezy&release=all&keywords=qt4&sourceid=mozilla-search
[08:30] <robotgeek> owner: cool, good for new users
[08:30] <owner> yes less chance of breaking systems
[08:31] <owner> but only because it was brought up on the forums
[08:31] <robotgeek> owner: i talked to him about it about 4 months ago, he ridiculed me.
[08:31] <owner> there was no real compelling reason to use the --force-yes flag
[08:32] <owner> i guess lazy scripting
[08:33] <robotgeek> very lazy
[08:34] <robotgeek> it took me half and hour to fix it, and he refused to accept my changes. he's an idiot
[08:36] <owner> well his excuse was that it was needed just because of the key warning if the keys arent imported
[08:36] <Borg^Queen> anyone?
[08:36] <owner> but of course his script could import keys
[08:36] <owner> guess thats what he decided to do
[08:36] <robotgeek> owner: yeah, or a--allow-unauthenticated
[08:37] <owner> he was also wrong that you have to use the --force-yes flag if --assume-yes is used
[08:37] <sean_micken> hey i see a http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dir, so does this mean i can put that in my sources.list to always grab the latest kde?
[08:38] <robotgeek> owner: he also enabled root cause he did not know how to append to files under sudo
[08:38] <Borg^Queen> hello?
[08:39] <robotgeek> Borg^Queen: if someone knows, someone will answer :)
[08:39] <owner> yes robot, in fact just using sudo -i or sudo -s would do the same thing as enabling root
[08:39] <owner> without the actual need to enable access to the root account
[08:39] <robotgeek> true
[08:40] <robotgeek> well, he just wasted 4 months of my time, and a bunch of other people's time
[08:40] <owner> and possibly messed up some systems
[08:40] <owner> although we will never know for sure
[08:40] <robotgeek> owner: oh, that he did
[08:41] <Borg^Queen> assholes
[08:41] <owner> brb
[08:50] <_vijay> celestia is slowing down my system, can any one tell me how to fix this???
[09:05] <hDp`> Salut les fiottes.
[09:15] <satempler> is there a way to disable the auto run on audio cds
[09:16] <satempler> i read something about ivman but i fallowed the instructions but it didn't work
[09:16] <satempler> I am running 3.5 of Kubuntu
[09:16] <satempler> KDE
[09:27] <stupendo44> wow, slow today...
[09:28] <Tonio_> hi
[09:28] <robotgeek> hey Tonio_
[09:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhhh
[09:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i still have problems in find a way to show the desktop
[09:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried to analyze the kickrrc file
[09:30] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: are you on Breezy?
[09:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and there's no show desktop entry, but ALL the other entries are there
[09:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes i am
[09:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> robotgeek: ?
[09:31] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: one moment
[09:31] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: try ctrl + alt + d
[09:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nothing happens
[09:32] <robotgeek> change it at "System Settings -> Regional and Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts ->
[09:32] <robotgeek> Toggle Show Desktop
[09:34] <satempler> Tallia1Kubuntu: don't you have an appled called show desktop
[09:34] <satempler> Actualy Desktop access button
[09:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> satempler: where?
[09:35] <satempler> right click in the kiker panel
[09:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have it.... i was trying to find out a way to see which was the invoked script
[09:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nono, you didn't understand... i was trying to see which was the *.desktop for that applet
[09:35] <satempler> I imagine its a dcop command
[09:35] <satempler> oh
[09:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i can't find it in the kickerc
[09:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dcop?
[09:36] <satempler> ya one sec
[09:36] <satempler> I shall find it
[09:37] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dcop? means i dunno what's dcop :)
[09:40] <satempler> ok found what you need
[09:40] <satempler> '/usr/share/apps/kicker/builtins'
[09:41] <satempler> but dcop alows for interaction with other apps
[09:41] <satempler> amarok has podcast support
[09:41] <satempler> there is a dcop command to add a podcast rss feed to amarok
[09:42] <satempler> it was made into a service menu
[09:42] <satempler> the file you need is desktop.desktop
[09:42] <satempler> but I didn't see any thing that would help you
[09:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> satempler: tnx!!
[09:47] <satempler> no prob
[09:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i alredy solved the problem tnx to robogeek, but i liked to know why that entry wasn't there
[09:48] <satempler> oh
[10:16] <visik7> when I use samba configuration tool from kde samba it ask me for a password but the dialog stay in gray and nothing is configurable
[10:18] <arrinmurr> visik7: through the System Settings dialog from K-menu?
[10:20] <arrinmurr> visik7: well, anyway, that sounds like the bug which has been fixed in latest updates
[10:22] <visik7> I've kde 3.5.1
[10:22] <visik7> when I go in propreties of a folder the problem is the same
[10:22] <visik7> which file do I check for if it's updated ?
[10:23] <visik7> 'couse I had 3.4.3 before 3.5 and now 3.5.1
[10:23] <visik7> maybe some files wasn't updated
[10:27] <arrinmurr> visik7: oh, you already have an updated version. i'm afraid i can't help then :/
[10:30] <arrinmurr> visik7: i tried it myself now, i seem to have the same problem
[10:31] <sean_micken> does anyone know if kubuntu uses the bytecode interpreter in the freetype pkg?
[10:32] <arrinmurr> visik7: but it seems to say that "SMB and NFS servers are not installed on this machine, to enable this module the servers must be installed." - did it use to work for you with the earlier versions of KDE anyway?
[10:38] <visik7> arrinmurr: yes
[10:38] <visik7> with 3.5.0 was ok
[10:45] <visik7> be back soon
[10:47] <\merry> hi all
[10:47] <ilba7r> hi merry nice nick
[10:47] <\merry> thx :)
[11:03] <tecs> what player can i use to play .wmv?
[11:04] <abot> I wonder that too!
[11:04] <ilba7r> thought mplayer will have no problems
[11:04] <abot> Kaffeine tries to play my wmv:s but fails due to some missing codec...
[11:04] <ilba7r> but perhpas you need that
[11:05] <ilba7r> !+restrictedformats
[11:05] <ubotu> restrictedformats is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:05] <abot> Huh?
[11:06] <abot> I'm a irc newbie...
[11:06] <ilba7r> abot open the link sent by ubotu
[11:06] <tecs> mpl;ayer cant play the movie too
[11:06] <abot> OK, reading, *brb*
[11:07] <ilba7r> tecs read ubotu link
[11:18] <abot> OK, I'm back, thx for the input, I'm now much wiser than 10 minutes ago ;-)
[11:19] <ilba7r> inet:)
[11:19] <ilba7r> abot :)
[11:19] <abot> bye all!
[11:55] <paines> hi
[11:55] <paines> anyone know which app/programs does the hardware detection at boot up in (k)ubuntu ?
[11:56] <Kaiser_Away> hotplug and discover
[11:57] <paines> sure ?
[11:58] <Wolf__> HELLO
[11:58] <Wolf__> Eh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperFlight4 , Is this released?
[11:58] <Wolf__> Because the download links on there don't work.
[11:59] <Hobbsee> Wolf__: no, only flight 3
[11:59] <Wolf__> Why is that there then?
[11:59] <Hobbsee> Tainted: because it's being updated as they go
[12:00] <Tainted> Ah.
[12:00] <Hobbsee> a WIP
[12:00] <Tainted> I still can't get dapper to work...
[12:00] <Hobbsee> what in particular?
[12:00] <Tainted> Now, when I finally got all the repos to work, I updated and then restarted. In GRUB I picked the new one.
[12:00] <paines> Kaiser_Away, but I thik you are right. Thank you very much
[12:01] <Tainted> When it boots, it says something like ALERT! /dev/hda3/ isn't there.
[12:01] <Tainted> Hobbsee: Something to that extent.
[12:01] <Kaiser_Away> paines: np
[12:01] <Tainted> Hobbsee: I searched ubuntuforums, no one had a solution that worked for me, I am on windows right now....trying a new CD.
[12:02] <Hobbsee> well, was there a /dev/hda3?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> what's the root partition on your linux?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> it's likely that it got the wrong partition, so you need to edit it to boot
[12:02] <Tainted> I tried hde3
[12:02] <Tainted> hda1
[12:02] <Tainted> hda2
[12:02] <Hobbsee> do you know which was the root partition though?
[12:03] <Tainted> I believe it is hda3
[12:04] <Tainted> Is it possible for it to be hdd4?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> only you know what your hard drives look like
[12:04] <Tainted> Heh
[12:04] <Tainted> But I mean out of the hda, hde, hd things, can it be hdd?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Tainted: what do you have there?  dapper flight 3 install cd?
[12:05] <Tainted> have what where?
[12:05] <Tainted> :P
[12:05] <Hobbsee> which kubuntu cds - live cds?  and at your house, that you can access
[12:05] <Hobbsee> not really much use for me to offer you my dapper 1 flight cd from all the way over here, is there?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> :
[12:06] <Tainted> I have two Flight 3 CDs
[12:06] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:06] <Hobbsee> yep, right
[12:06] <Tainted> They dont work...
[12:06] <Hobbsee> dont work, meaning?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> didnt burn correctly?
[12:06] <Tainted> Well its not the Live CD
[12:06] <Tainted> yes
[12:06] <Tainted> checksums on both the ISO and BURN are correc
[12:06] <Hobbsee> what'd you install off then?
[12:07] <Tainted> I installed Breezy.
[12:07] <Hobbsee> and then dist-upgraded?
[12:07] <Tainted> Yeah.
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: ping
[12:07] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[12:07] <Hobbsee> *thinks*
[12:07] <Kaiser_Away> pong
[12:08] <Hobbsee> what would you do with this?
[12:08] <Hobbsee> hang on...
[12:08] <Kaiser_Away> hm?
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Tainted: do you have explore2fs there?
[12:08] <Tainted> On my machine?
[12:08] <Tainted> Yes.
[12:09] <Hobbsee> Tainted: try exploring to the linux partition from windows then, and copy the contents of /etc/fstab
[12:09] <Hobbsee> using the explore2fs
[12:09] <Tainted> Hobbsee: ....There is no fstab
[12:09] <Hobbsee> oh?  why not?
[12:10] <Tainted> Lol.
[12:10] <Tainted> Whoops
[12:10] <Tainted> There is
[12:10] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:10] <Kaiser_Away> lol
[12:10] <Hobbsee> unless you formatted parts of your system, i should hope there would be!
[12:11] <Tainted> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[12:11] <Kaiser_Away> not here pls
[12:11] <Tainted> OH right..
[12:12] <Kaiser_Away> pastebin if you have to paste it :)
[12:12] <mcsteels> can anyone please tell me where i can get hold of easyubuntu??
[12:12] <Hobbsee> !easyubuntu
[12:12] <ubotu> rumour has it, easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more.  It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesnt change any settings by default. https://launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu or #easyubuntu
[12:13] <Tainted> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/533557
[12:14] <Tainted> hda3, right?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:14] <Hobbsee> what kernel are you running?  latest dapper?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> i'd check if that got updated too
[12:14] <Hobbsee> brb
[12:14] <Tainted> Yeah.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> back
[12:16] <Tainted> Ok.
[12:16] <mcsteels> does easybreezy work with kubuntu??
[12:16] <Hobbsee> mcsteels: i believe it does
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Tainted: can you paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst as well?  to the pastebin?
[12:17] <Kaiser_Away> mcsteels: yes, but it looks a little funny
[12:17] <mcsteels> hmm.... ok just installed it and got Unexpected return code: 127 (ok would be 0)   and nothing els
[12:18] <Tainted> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/533562
[12:18] <Tainted> One of the Windows Partitions is the 'recovery partition' god damn HP to hell.
[12:19] <Kaiser_Away> oh, an hp, lol
[12:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[12:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is it possible to change the modification date of a file?
[12:19] <mcsteels> is there and eazybreezy irc channel?
[12:19] <BuFF> i cant open *.rar files,  what's the command to install this archive ?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> nalioth: ping
[12:20] <Tainted> Hobbsee: Any ideas?
[12:20] <Kaiser_Away> Tallia1Kubuntu: in what way?
[12:20] <Hobbsee> Tainted: looking
[12:20] <Kaiser_Away> mcsteels: /join #easyubuntu
[12:20] <Tainted> Hehe
[12:20] <mcsteels> cheers
[12:20] <nalioth> Hobbsee: pong?
[12:20] <Kaiser_Away> BuFF: there's a rar handler in multiverse (and i think universe)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> nalioth: easyubuntu questions for you, see mcsteels
[12:21] <nalioth> mcsteels: we are porting easyubuntu for kubuntu now, but if you have ubuntu installed also, it will work fine
[12:22] <mcsteels> i have just having trouble with network connections on ununtu, and kubuntu wont let me install gnome:s
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Tainted: do any of the older kernels boot?
[12:22] <Tainted> Nope
[12:22] <Hobbsee> crud
[12:23] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: ping again
[12:23] <Hobbsee> that's weird!
[12:23] <Kaiser_Away> Hobbsee: pong
[12:23] <Kaiser_Away> sup?
[12:23] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: the partition exists, grub is pointed correctly at it, but it cant find it, on dapper - what would you do?
[12:23] <Kaiser_Away> "cant find it" can you be more specific?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> and it exists and is readable as Tainted is using explore2fs and browsing it from the winbox
[12:24] <`Nomad> Tallia1Kubuntu: Look into "touch -d"
[12:24] <Hobbsee> [22:01]  <Tainted> When it boots, it says something like ALERT! /dev/hda3/ isn't there.
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Kaiser_Away: ^
[12:24] <Tainted> It gives an error message like 'ALERT! /dev/hda3/ doesn't exit! Opening Shell Now'
[12:24] <Tainted> ^^
[12:25] <Tainted> exist**
[12:25] <Kaiser_Away> ok. I'll just open those pastes of yoursl. just a tic
[12:25] <Tainted> Kaiser_Away: Where are you from?
[12:25] <Kaiser_Away> Australia
[12:25] <Tainted> Awesome.
[12:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Timbuctu
[12:25] <Tainted> Because alot of Americans don't say 'tic'. It made me wonder. :D
[12:26] <Kaiser_Away> lol.
[12:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:26] <Hobbsee> seems like a lot of people arent americans
[12:26] <Hobbsee> a lot from europe
[12:26] <Kaiser_Away> fair slab of us as well Hobbsee :)(
[12:26] <Hobbsee> true
[12:26] <mcsteels> how come i cant install ubuntu-desktop on my kubuntu??
[12:27] <Hobbsee> mcsteels: well, why cant you?
[12:27] <Hobbsee> not enough info
[12:27] <Kaiser_Away> Tainted: wehn your in the shell can you type "cat /proc/partitions" or "ls /dev/hd*"
[12:27] <mcsteels> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/533567 i get this
[12:27] <mcsteels> doh wrong 1
[12:27] <Hobbsee> why are you logged in as root?
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[12:28] <mcsteels> saves typing my pw every 5 secs:P
[12:28] <mcsteels> :P
[12:28] <Hobbsee> use sudo -s if you're that desperate - but the sudo keeps the password for 15 mins
[12:28] <Tainted> Kaiser_Away: I should be able to.
[12:28] <Hobbsee> so you only end up typing your p/w once every 15 mins
[12:28] <Tainted> Kaiser_Away: What does it do?
[12:29] <Kaiser_Away> Tainted: it prints out a list of your partitions on the hard drive. i want to know if hda3 is there
[12:29] <Hobbsee> Tainted: just lists the partitions - nothing evil
[12:29] <mcsteels> sorry here is the error i get http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/533569
[12:29] <ubuntulive> Kubuntu Dapper (havent tried with the ubuntu version yet, but it probably got the same problem) is giving me alot of error messages on startup and then it's just showing the console. What should I do? Wait for a newer release and hope it's fixed or could I log it somehow and submit for input?
[12:29] <Kaiser_Away> but i think it may be somthing else (but one thing at a time)_
[12:29] <Tainted> Well, I can access it on Explore2fs
[12:30] <Tainted> Let me burn this dapper ISO, and then I will try it.
[12:30] <Kaiser_Away> ubuntulive: are you dist-upgrading? or was it a clean install?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> ubuntulive: go and write down teh error messages, then come back
[12:30] <Hobbsee> and then pastebin them
[12:30] <`Nomad> xmms doesn't work after upgrading to 3.5.1.  Is there anything I can do?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> "a lot of error messages" is useless - there are at least 20 grub ones, and that's before ubuntu even starts to boot!
[12:31] <Kaiser_Away> `Nomad: tell us what's going wrong!
[12:31] <Hobbsee> `Nomad: file a bug for it
[12:31] <`Nomad> ok, yes I guess so :).  It just will nto start so far
[12:31] <Kaiser_Away> check if there is a bug first
[12:31] <mcsteels> i have trouble istalling lots of things in kubuntu, i dont remember having this much trouble with hoary
[12:31] <`Nomad> good point
[12:31] <Hobbsee> mcsteels: post your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin?
[12:31] <mcsteels> ok 1 sec
[12:31] <Kaiser_Away> `Nomad: start xmms from a terminal
[12:32] <Kaiser_Away> and see if it produces errors
[12:32] <`Nomad> segmentation fault.
[12:32] <mcsteels> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/533572
[12:32] <Kaiser_Away> `Nomad: that's an error ;)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> ahem
[12:32] <ubuntulive> kaiser_away: No, was trying the live kubuntu dapper cd
[12:32] <Hobbsee> mcsteels: do you know what #'s do?
[12:33] <Kaiser_Away> ubuntulive: ah ok.
[12:33] <localhost_>  hey
[12:33] <mcsteels> yeah but when i un # them i cant apt-get update it just freezes
[12:33] <Hobbsee> you have to un# them
[12:33] <pablet> does dapper work acceptably fine? or is it very buggy yet?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> and freezes how?  where at?
[12:33] <Hobbsee> pablet: depends on the day, your hardware, the weather, and the cycle of the moon
[12:33] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:34] <Kaiser_Away> `Nomad:  file a bug report, with the contents of the terminal if there isnt a bug open already
[12:34] <pablet> I have breezy and Im thinking in upgrading to dapper (in the past I had debian unstable....)
[12:34] <`Nomad> ok.  I just removed it and reinstalling it
[12:34] <mcsteels> its stuck on 44%
[12:34] <ubuntulive> Kaiser_Away: Should I report the errors somewhere for input or should I just hold my horses and hope it'll be fixed in the final release? (the "older" live cd works like a charm, running it now)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> pablet: what type of graphics card do you have?  nvidia?  ati?
[12:34] <Kaiser_Away> mcsteels: if you want ubuntu-desktop, uncomment the 2nd and 3rd lines, and comment out the cdrom
[12:34] <pablet> intel 915gml
[12:35] <mcsteels> ok will try
[12:35] <Hobbsee> pablet: at least you *shouldnt* lose X then
[12:35] <Kaiser_Away> ubuntulive: check in malone, and file bugs there if there are none open pls
[12:35] <pablet> I have read that support for my video card is improved in newer versions of kernel and xorg
[12:35] <Hobbsee> pablet: there can be massive problems, or it can be relatively smooth.  if you have spare space, you might want to consider dual booting
[12:35] <Kaiser_Away> or if you want a rough time, hit dapper :0
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:36] <localhost_> does anyone think there is a better instant messenger than kopete?
[12:36] <pablet> what kernel and xorg versions uses dapper?
[12:36] <ubuntulive> Kaiser_Away: Ah okay, I'll do that. Thx.
[12:36] <Kaiser_Away> localhost_: very subjective
[12:36] <localhost_> coz it's kinda fucked up here.. with icq contacts.. no one will show online.. and stuff..
[12:36] <Kaiser_Away> thanks ubuntulive
[12:36] <Hobbsee> pablet: 2.6.15-14-386, not sure about xorg
[12:36] <Kaiser_Away> localhost_: no swearging thanks
[12:36] <localhost_> indeed Kaiser_Away  - I am just looking for an alternative..
[12:36] <Kaiser_Away> localhost_: try gaim
[12:37] <localhost_> sorry
[12:37] <mcsteels> Kaiser_Away: like this??
[12:37] <localhost_> hmm, okay, I'll do so, thx
[12:37] <mcsteels> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/533576
[12:37] <dipnlik> localhost_: i prefer bitlbee and irssi
[12:37] <pablet> and...does this version finally has support for ntfs writting?
[12:37] <Tainted> dipnlik: Yeah.
[12:37] <Tainted> Mhhmmm, irssi.
[12:37] <dipnlik> localhost_: even on windows ( /me hugs cygwin)
[12:38] <Kaiser_Away> http://Kubuntu.pastebin.com/533577 mcsteels <-
[12:38] <Kaiser_Away> try that
[12:38] <mcsteels> cheers will do
[12:38] <Kaiser_Away> np
[12:38] <Tainted> Kaiser_Away, Hobbsee: Any ideas?
[12:39] <Kaiser_Away> sory Tainted, where were we up to, have you tried cat + ls from the shell?
[12:40] <Tainted> Kaiser_Away: Nope, but if I can access it in explore2fs?
[12:40] <Tainted> Doesn't that mean it's there?
[12:40] <localhost_> anyone got a nice tv-guide (program)?
[12:40] <Kaiser_Away> Tainted: it's there, we know that, but I'm wondering if the os itself is borked
[12:40] <mcsteels> Kaiser_Away: same thing again just freezing on 0%
[12:40] <Kaiser_Away> that's what that's trying to test for
[12:41] <Kaiser_Away> mcsteels: do you have a proxy or similar?
[12:41] <Tainted> Wel..
[12:41] <Tainted> Brb
[12:41] <mcsteels> no
[12:41] <mcsteels> Kaiser_Away: no
[12:41] <Kaiser_Away> mcsteels: is it freezing, or timing out?
[12:42] <mcsteels> Kaiser_Away: its not doin anything, the porgress number is still  at 0%
[12:42] <Kaiser_Away> mcsteels: can you ^C it ?
[12:42] <`Nomad> bug put in for xmms
[12:42] <mcsteels> Kaiser_Away: yeah
[12:43] <Kaiser_Away> `Nomad: cool
[12:43] <mcsteels> Kaiser_Away: just timedout
[12:43] <Kaiser_Away> mcsteels: are you on a live cd?
[12:43] <mcsteels> Kaiser_Away: no kubunut is installed
[12:44] <Kaiser_Away> mcsteels: hm.
[12:44] <mcsteels> Kaiser_Away: kubuntu*
[12:44] <`Nomad> I now just installed bittorrent-gui (and bittorrent).  What"s the command to start it? It didn't appear in teh menu yet an dnone of the bt* commands seem to be the gui
[12:44] <tecs> hi how do i fix broken packages...my totem got messed up when i was trying to install gstream but i already ahd xine....my system went to a crawl. i restarted and now i have 2 broken packages
[12:45] <LiteHedded> where do I set my wifi info?
[12:45] <LiteHedded> like where would I change my ssid?
[12:45] <Kaiser_Away> tecs: run `sudo apt-get -f install` and see if that succeeds
[12:46] <Kaiser_Away> LiteHedded: kubuntus controll pannel might do it
[12:46] <Kaiser_Away> or /etc/networking/interfaces
[12:47] <LiteHedded> k I found it thanks
[12:48] <Kaiser_Away> cool
[12:49] <Tainted-Tim> Hello
[12:49] <Tainted-Time> What was the command again?
[12:49] <tecs> got it. thnxc
[12:50] <mcsteels> Kaiser_Away: is there a problem with my repos??
[12:50] <Tainted-Time> kaiser_away: What was that command?
[12:51] <Tainted-Time> hobbsee: Or do you know it?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> um
[12:52] <Hobbsee> [22:27]  <Kaiser_Away> Tainted: wehn your in the shell can you type "cat /proc/partitions" or "ls /dev/hd*"
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Tainted-Time: ^
[12:53] <Tainted-Time> Hobbsee: I see a major, minor, #blocks, and name.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Tainted-Time: i suggest you pastebin it
[12:54] <Tainted-Time> Thats all the comes out.
[12:54] <Tainted-Time> major minor #blocks name
[12:54] <Tainted-Time> after I type in cat  /proc/partitions
[12:54] <Hobbsee> and the second command?
[12:54] <Tainted-Time> Doesnt work.
[12:55] <Kaiser_Away> mcsteels: try a different repos.
[12:55] <Tainted-Time> Says it cant find the directory
[12:55] <Kaiser_Away> those are quite laggy for me
[12:55] <Tainted-Time> kaiser_away: Any ideas now?
[12:56] <Kaiser_Away> Tainted-Time: it cant find /dev/?
[12:56] <Tainted-Time> Nope.
[12:56] <Tainted-Time> Not even when I type cd dev
[12:56] <Kaiser_Away> what about cd /dev ?
[12:57] <Tainted-Time> Nope...
[12:57] <Kaiser_Away> what about cd /boot?
[12:57] <Tainted-Time> h/o
[12:57] <Kaiser_Away> o_0
[12:58] <hatake_kakashi> !locale
[12:58] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, hatake_kakashi
[12:58] <Tainted-Time> Eh, dev is there but when I do the command you showed me, it says there is none.
[12:59] <Tainted-Time> This is probably going to require a complete redo right?
[12:59] <Kaiser_Away> sounds pretty stuffed. sounds like your OS is stuffed, but i could be wrong. you need to chroot your os to try and revive it, not chroot to fix grub
[01:00] <Tainted-Time> Eh, a complete redo is okay, but I want to install Dapper from the start.
[01:00] <Tainted-Time> But none of the CDs I burn work, they are all valid.
[01:01] <hatake_kakashi> Tainted-Time: did you recompile the kernel yourself?
[01:01] <Tainted-Time> Not sure what you mean.
[01:01] <localhost_> anyone got an idea why I can't see NOBODY online (and if authorization required - and PASSED - he still is "Not authorised" for me?) - I tried now Kopete and GAIM .. both more or less the same..
[01:01] <Kaiser_Away> is nobody online?
[01:01] <localhost_> nope..
[01:01] <hatake_kakashi> Tainted-Time: if you are not sure what I mean, you most likely have not done it
[01:02] <localhost_> I am chatting with one
[01:02] <localhost_> and he is not online..
[01:02] <Tainted-Time> Lol, I did a dist-upgrade.
[01:02] <localhost_> for me..
[01:02] <Tainted-Time> That's about it.
[01:02] <hatake_kakashi> Tainted-Time: from hoary to breezy?
[01:02] <Tainted-Time> From Breezy to Dapper.
[01:03] <hatake_kakashi> and did the install mention anywhere that it will download and install a new kernel?
[01:03] <Kaiser_Away> sounds to me like it didnt finish or something similar and got inturupted
[01:03] <Tainted-Time> hatake_kakashi, I dont think so.
[01:03] <Tainted-Time> That is probably what happened.
[01:03] <Tainted-Time> Can we were on getting the CD to work?
[01:04] <Tainted-Time> work*
[01:04] <localhost_> this is so strange.. I mean.. this is not like "complicated" adding buddies to icq ... I mean .. you can't do anything wrong, can I?
[01:04] <hatake_kakashi> with dapper? doubt it
[01:05] <Kaiser_Away> Tainted-Time: describe what doenst work about your ced
[01:06] <Tainted-Time> I get through everything OK, until it tries to 'load the components from the cd'
[01:06] <Tainted-Time> It either hangs or just fails.
[01:06] <Tainted-Time> I know it works, because it scans it ok and everything.
[01:07] <Kaiser_Away> Tainted-Time: it could be a bug in the build. have you checked launchpad?
[01:08] <Tainted-Time> Nope...
[01:08] <Tainted-Time> What is launchpad?
[01:08] <Kaiser_Away> i would, but I'm not familiar with launchpad yet
[01:09] <Kaiser_Away> where malone - Ubuntu's bug trtackeer - is kept
[01:09] <Kaiser_Away> plays: Marilyn Manson - User Friendly, track length 4:17
[01:09] <Tainted-Time> So, uh what should I do?
[01:10] <Kaiser_Away> what version of the dapper cd are you using ? 3 or 4
[01:10] <Kaiser_Away> ?
[01:10] <Tainted-Time> 3
[01:11] <Kaiser_Away> i was reading an email about this before, and i cant find the damn thing :/
[01:12] <Tainted-Time> Do you have any ideas?
[01:13] <Kaiser_Away> I'm just finding malone
[01:14] <Hobbsee> launchpad.net
[01:14] <Hobbsee> link on the front page
[01:14] <Hobbsee> right hadn side
[01:16] <Kaiser_Away> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.04
[01:18] <Tainted-Time> Eh I dont see the bug anywhere
[01:18] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[01:20] <Tainted-Time> Help? Anyone??
[01:21] <Redleer> how can i remove grub from my comp? getting annoyed with it
[01:22] <Redleer> ?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Redleer: what will you replace it with?
[01:22] <Kaiser_Away> Redleer: i don't recomendit
[01:22] <Redleer> normal windows bootloader
[01:22] <Redleer> since I DONT need linux atm
[01:22] <Hobbsee> go in through windows, and install the bootloader
[01:23] <Hobbsee> something about fdisk and mbr...
[01:23] <Kaiser_Away> what Windows? xp has a 'fixmbr' option in it's rescue mode
[01:23] <Hobbsee> i never remember, as i cant use that option
[01:23] <Hobbsee> that's the one!
[01:23] <tecs> are rpm files installable in ubuntu?
[01:23] <Kaiser_Away> tecs: use alien, butif possible, use debs
[01:23] <Tainted-Time> God...I need Dapper.
[01:24] <Kaiser_Away> Tainted-Time: try the flight 2 or 4
[01:24] <Tainted-Time> Think the DVD would work?
[01:24] <Kaiser_Away> if you get 2 working, dist-upgrade to 4
[01:24] <Tainted-Time> Where can I get 4?
[01:24] <Kaiser_Away> 4s out isnt it? with the other isos
[01:24] <tecs> this program that i want "l;imewire " comes in rpm
[01:24] <Tainted-Time> Its on the wiki, but no download.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> i didnt think 4 was out for a few more weeks
[01:26] <Hobbsee> seeing as 3 was released on around the 20th
[01:26] <auturge> Install Breezy, update sources, dist-upgrade to dapper. Sorted.
[01:27] <Kaiser_Away> Hobbsee: ok.
[01:27] <Kaiser_Away> I'm not completely in touch ;)
[01:27] <Tainted-Time>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[01:27] <Tainted-Time> :P
[01:27] <Hobbsee> why would you want that?
[01:28] <Tainted-Time> auturge: I tried that, that's what put me in this situation.
[01:31] <bushito> =O!! aaaahh
[01:32] <Tainted> Back.
[01:32] <Tainted> auturge, will you help  me setup my CD?
[01:32] <auturge> I don't know what your situation is.
[01:32] <Tainted> Ah.
[01:32] <Tainted> Well, my system is messed up, I'm going to redo it all.
[01:32] <Tainted> But, dapper won't install.
[01:33] <auturge> "messed up"
[01:33] <Tainted> I have tried 3 different CDs
[01:33] <Tainted> Lol, eh, I get a 'ALERT! /dev/hda3/ doesn't exist. Dropping in Shell'
[01:33] <Tainted> Thats the correct path.
[01:33] <Tainted> Its there.
[01:33] <auturge> Are you attempting to boot normally or to recovery mode?
[01:33] <Tainted> Tried both.
[01:34] <auturge> Can you get a df?
[01:34] <Tainted> df?
[01:34] <auturge> Type it.
[01:34] <Tainted> Ok.
[01:34] <Tainted> Hold on.
[01:35] <Tainted> df doesnt do anything.
[01:35] <auturge> No output?
[01:35] <Tainted> Nope, nothing except doesn't exit.
[01:35] <Tainted> exist**
[01:35] <auturge> Clarify?
[01:36] <auturge> Do you get any output at all, or just another prompt?
[01:36] <Tainted> It says df: not found
[01:37] <auturge> Ah.
[01:37] <auturge>  /bin/df ?
[01:37] <Tainted> Nope, but there is dd
[01:37] <auturge> Does ls even work?
[01:37] <Tainted> Yeah.
[01:38] <auturge> Is there a /bin?
[01:38] <Tainted> Yeah.
[01:38] <Tainted> DF isnt in it.
[01:39] <auturge> What is?
[01:39] <Tainted> Eh, other files...I can't remember them all, I am on a different PC.
[01:39] <Tainted> It's in the other room.
[01:39] <auturge> Inconvenient.
[01:40] <auturge> Is there (1) a /dev (2) if so anything in it?
[01:40] <auturge> And what about 'mount', does that print anything?
[01:40] <Tainted> There is a dev
[01:40] <Tainted> with alot of weird named files, pty210
[01:40] <auturge> So it's populated. That's something.
[01:41] <Tainted> Mount does print something...
[01:41] <auturge> Is that all that's there, pty* files?
[01:41] <Tainted> No
[01:41] <Tainted> Theres otheres
[01:41] <auturge> Can you tell me what mount prints?
[01:42] <Tainted> Damn.
[01:42] <Tainted> Lol
[01:42] <Tainted> Hold on I'll write it down.
[01:42] <Tainted> :/
[01:42] <auturge> You need a laptop, my boy.
[01:43] <Tainted> I know, the harddrive failed, it was shipped 2 days ago (the hd).
[01:43] <auturge> It physically failed?
[01:43] <auturge> Oh, the laptop drive.
[01:43] <auturge> Right.
[01:44] <Tainted> Lol
[01:44] <Tainted> It prints 'none on /sys type sysfs'
[01:44] <Tainted> 'none on /proc type proc'
[01:44] <Tainted> 'udev on /dev type tmpfs'
[01:45] <Tainted> Thats it
[01:45] <auturge> Gnarly. But at least you have devfs.
[01:45] <Tainted> Is the system recoverable.
[01:45] <Tainted> ?
[01:45] <auturge> Hard to say. Are there any files in /dev that start with hd at all?
[01:46] <Tainted> Nope.
[01:46] <auturge> Is there a runnable fdisk command?
[01:46] <auturge> No, that wouldn't help.
[01:47] <auturge> OK, you have /sys. Is there anything in it?
[01:47] <Tainted> Yeah
[01:47] <Tainted> A couple folders include kernel.
[01:47] <Tainted> including*
[01:48] <auturge> What's in /sys/block?
[01:48] <Tainted> 'ram*' 0-15
[01:49] <Tainted> Nothing else.
[01:49] <auturge> It looks like your kernel has completely failed to detect the presence of any hard drives.
[01:49] <Tainted> Eh, how to fix it? :)
[01:50] <kosh> that is impressive
[01:51] <Tainted> Its not 'absolutely needed' to go back, I would be fine with a restore if it had Dapper.
[01:51] <Tainted> kosh, Why?
[01:51] <kosh> what kind of hard drives do you have?
[01:51] <Tainted> Uhh...
[01:51] <Tainted> Not sure.
[01:51] <kosh> well because linux should detect nearly every ide, sata and scsi drive system ever available
[01:51] <Tainted> It was before.
[01:51] <Tainted> I tried to dist-upgrade to dapper.
[01:51] <auturge> Tainted - if it were my box, I would be rebooting recovery and very carefully watching the boot messages for errors that could shed light on the situation.
[01:51] <kosh> ah I see
[01:52] <auturge> What kernel do you have now?
[01:52] <kosh> I bet your system did not load the initrd image
[01:52] <kosh> and without that it can't find the harddrives
[01:52] <auturge> Could be.
[01:52] <Tainted> auturge, Not sure the exact numbers, but it has the number 15 changed.
[01:52] <auturge> Have a look at your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:52] <auturge> In that file you'll see the name of the initrd file it is looking for - does that file exist?
[01:52] <kosh> there should be an initrd line in it
[01:52] <kosh> and does the file name make sense?
[01:53] <kosh> ie you don't have an initrd for kernel 2.4 paired with a 2.6.15 kernel
[01:53] <kosh> just a bsaic sanity check type deal
[01:53] <auturge> Yeah - the initrd file should have the same version number as the associated vmlinuz file.
[01:54] <Tainted> I cant see the menu.lst....I would have to boot into windows and then use explore2fs....
[01:54] <auturge> cd /boot/grub
[01:54] <auturge> cat menu.lst
[01:54] <auturge> If you don't have cat you're really hurting!
[01:54] <Tainted> Im saying...I dont have a boot folder.
[01:55] <auturge> buh...
[01:56] <Tainted> Huh?
[01:56] <auturge> Does breezy install a separate /boot filesystem? It's been so long since I've touched it..
[01:56] <auturge> Does /etc/fstab contain a /boot entry?
[01:57] <Tainted> No there is a boot folder.
[01:57] <auturge> and it's empty?
[01:57] <Tainted> On normal breezies...
[01:57] <Tainted> Mine doesnt have one.
[01:57] <Tainted> :(
[01:57] <auturge> buh.
[01:57] <auturge> You must have one or you wouldn't have even gotten the grub menu.
[01:58] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: there are some breezy 3.5.1 packages missing
[01:58] <kosh> not many though
[01:58] <Tainted> Hmm...what if this is a different part of that partition or somethingt?
[01:58] <auturge> That's what I'm saying, is your /boot on a separate filesystem? Look at /etc/fstab and see if there is an entry referencing /boot.
[02:00] <Tainted> There is no fstab.
[02:00] <Tainted> :'/
[02:01] <Tainted> I think this setup is fux0red.
[02:01] <auturge> Maybe you're actually on the initrd.
[02:01] <Tainted> Huh?
[02:02] <auturge> Is there a /linuxrc?
[02:02] <Tainted> Nope
[02:04] <Tainted> I think a reinstall sounds good.
[02:06] <auturge> Yeah. Probably. But now I really want to know what filesystem you're looking at.
[02:06] <Tainted> Lol
[02:06] <auturge> What does uname -a say?
[02:07] <Tainted> Gah,
[02:07] <Tainted> Alot.
[02:07] <Tainted> Something about the kernel and then, PREEMPT
[02:07] <Tainted> then unknown at the very end
[02:08] <auturge> Version number?
[02:08] <Tainted> Where is it?
[02:08] <Tainted> #1
[02:09] <auturge> The third field
[02:09] <Tainted> #1, or the one left of that.
[02:09] <auturge> Left.
[02:10] <Tainted> Its the kernel.
[02:10] <auturge> Yes, what version number?
[02:10] <Tainted> 2.6.15-418-386
[02:10] <Tainted> 2.6.15-14--386
[02:11] <Tainted> The #2 one,
[02:11] <auturge> Hey, wait a minute. *I'm* on the wrong kernel. Reboot time!
[02:11] <Tainted> You are?
[02:11] <auturge> I've installed a newer one a few days ago and not rebooted since.
[02:11] <auturge> Well.
[02:11] <auturge> I think I'm going to have to vote for start over here.
[02:12] <Tainted> Ok, well can you help me get the dapper CD working
[02:12] <auturge> Don't hold your breath.
[02:12] <Tainted> the dist-upgrade caused this
[02:13] <auturge> !info linux-686
[02:13] <ubotu> linux-686: (Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.), section restricted/base, is optional. Version: 2.6.12.16 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[02:13] <Tainted> ?
[02:14] <auturge> Install Breezy then take it in pieces.
[02:14] <Tainted> How do i do that?
[02:14] <auturge> First: install Breezy.
[02:16] <Tainted> Then what?
[02:35] <alfred300p> hello
[02:36] <howcomes> hi
[02:37] <Jaymac> so everyone upgraded to 3.5.1 then?
[02:38] <kosh> works fine here
[02:38] <kosh> I upgraded one box so far to check
[02:38] <howcomes> KDE 3.5.1 ?
[02:38] <kosh> yup
[02:38] <kosh> http://www.kubuntu.org/
[02:38] <kosh> look there
[02:38] <howcomes> I'm still on 3.4.3
[02:38] <alfred300p> i need some advice on tweaking my network. is there any way to change the time ifup waits for a dhcp answer?
[02:39] <Jaymac> yeah 3.5.1 hasn't given me any problems thusfar
[02:41] <alfred300p> anybody?
[02:41] <Kaiser_Away> does this look not healthy to anyone else? http://pastebin.com/533692
[02:42] <Kaiser_Away> try /etc/dhcp3/dhclient alfred300p
[02:43] <kosh> Kaiser_Away: just looks like the mirron you are using is not working
[02:44] <Kaiser_Away> hm. it's defintely there :/
[02:44] <alfred300p> I don't have this file, Kaiser_Away
[02:44] <Kaiser_Away> alfred300p: oh, right :/
[02:44] <alfred300p> Kaiser_Away: sorry, it's dhclient.conf right?
[02:44] <Kaiser_Away> yeh, i think so
[02:45] <howcomes> Whats a good programming language for the novice linux user windows tech and visual basic guru?
[02:45] <Kaiser_Away> java?
[02:46] <Kaiser_Away> python or perl are good ones
[02:46] <kkathman> Python + QT
[02:46] <Kaiser_Away> (pls note, i don't know any of the above)
[02:46] <alfred300p> howcomes: I've been trying python, it's great as a language, but it's not that easy to build visual interfaces (forms). least for me
[02:46] <kkathman> howcomes: http://vizzzion.org/?id=pyqt
[02:47] <alfred300p> Kaiser_Away: so if i simply uncomment a timeout and set it to, say, 5 seconds, it should work, right?
[02:47] <Kaiser_Away> alfred300p: as far as  i know yes
[02:48] <howcomes> kkathman , ill take a look
[02:48] <howcomes> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=697731&postcount=59
[02:49] <alfred300p> Kaiser_Away: great, thanks. I'll try that. by the way, what's the select-timeout?
[02:49] <alfred300p> Kaiser_Away: nevermind, there's a manual page.
[02:49] <Kaiser_Away> lol. gl
[02:50] <cherusker> hi guys
[02:51] <alfred300p> hey
[02:52] <trekkor> what is the exact size of a dvd in mbs?
[02:52] <morrow> sigh.. imap with kmail still is buggy
[02:52] <trekkor> standard
[02:52] <morrow> wonder when i can use kmail without 3-4 crashes/day
[02:53] <auturge> Heh. Cool. There's a new case with a stonking huge 250mm fan on the side.
[02:53] <auturge> 650rpm, 22dB
[03:04] <howcomes> My Adept updater gets stuck on 99% recieving headers :S any ideas ?
[03:04] <nalioth> howcomes: patience
[03:04] <apachelogger> howcomes: run apt-get update on console to get errors etc.
[03:07] <cherusker> hat irgendwie nicht ganz gefunzzt, hab mir jetzt aber anders geholfen
[03:07] <cherusker> hab einfach ne neue "verknpfung mit adresse" auf dem desktop erstellt mit ziel "trash:/"   ;-)
[03:09] <trekkor> anybody here know the difference between a "MiB" and a "MB" and between a "GiB" and a "GB", when measuring multiples of bytes?
[03:11] <auturge> Yes.
[03:11] <kosh> yup
[03:11] <auturge> MiB and GiB are mebibytes and gibibytes.
[03:12] <kosh> MB is 1000KB while MiB is 1024KiB
[03:12] <kosh> they decided to redefine things
[03:12] <auturge> Those are the power-of-two numbers. 1 KiB = 1024, etc.
[03:12] <auturge> Not precisely, kosh...
[03:12] <kosh> what is not precisely?
[03:12] <auturge> The hard drive makers, years ago, redefined GB (to their benefit) as powers of ten instead of powers of two.
[03:12] <auturge> Thus giving rise to the confusion between "which of kind of GB do you mean" for all these years.
[03:13] <auturge> So *bibytes were invented to try to clear it all up.
[03:13] <auturge> Mebibytes etc are official SI units.
[03:14] <kosh> yes however for a very long time KB, MB, GB etc all had a power of 2 meaning in computers
[03:14] <kosh> however because of the hard drive makers an offcial SI unit was made
[03:14] <auturge> And looked at from a non-computer-centric perspective, saying that a megabyte is 1000000 rather than 2^20=1048576 is absolutely correct, because mega- is an SI unit with a long established meaning.
[03:14] <kosh> I know it makes sense
[03:15] <auturge> I'm just saying.. really, the only redefinition was when the hard drive makers insisted a megabyte is 10^6.
[03:15] <howcomes> "Designing for 90% of browsers is our policy? Here's a question. If I answered 10% of the sales calls with 'Hello [companyname] , could you please fuck off"', how would that affect our sales?"
[03:16] <auturge> As far as the SI are concerned, 10^6 was correct all along and the new mebi- &c. were invented anew for the convenience of the computer world.
[03:17] <kosh> however it seems strange that hard drive makers where the only ones that insisted on that
[03:17] <auturge> It was entirely self-interested.
[03:17] <kosh> if you check ram chips it still says 1GB etc
[03:17] <auturge> It allowed them to advertise larger capacity numbers for the same drive.
[03:17] <kosh> however they mean the power of 2 version not the power of 10 version
[03:18] <kosh> howcomes: hard to design for 90% of browers when that is not very well defined
[03:18] <auturge> I think it's easy enough to understand...
[03:19] <kosh> it just seems interesting that the ram makers don't do it
[03:19] <MadRush> heh
[03:19] <auturge> It's a question of magnitude.
[03:20] <auturge> 100 GiB is 107 GB. The difference between 100 and 107 GB on a hard drive box for free gives your marketers wet dreams.
[03:20] <auturge> But 1 MiB is 1.048576 MB.
[03:20] <auturge> 1.048576 just doesn't quite have the same marketing impact.
[03:21] <kosh> I don't see how it matters much when you can buy 500GB hard drives
[03:21] <kosh> not like the small difference should matter
[03:21] <MadRush> small difference?
[03:21] <auturge> One breaks the logjam, everyone else has to pile in.
[03:21] <kosh> yup
[03:21] <MadRush> with 500gb i dont think its too small
[03:22] <auturge> Once the first hard drive manufacturer realised they could make their 100MB hard drive look 7% better *absolutely free of charge* and did so, everyone else had to do the same thing to keep up.
[03:22] <kosh> I sitll wonder why the ram makers never did it
[03:22] <auturge> Simple.
[03:22] <kosh> when 128M chips where considered larger they didn't do that
[03:22] <MadRush> the ram makers did it with speed
[03:22] <auturge> The larger the numbers you are dealing with, the larger the difference between GiB and GB.
[03:22] <kosh> they could have marked them as 131M chips
[03:22] <auturge> When you're talking about megabytes, the difference is just too small to be worth making that initial leap.
[03:23] <kosh> remember the hard drive makers did it with 300M drives
[03:23] <kosh> however the ram makers now make 2048M sticks
[03:23] <djib> hey
[03:23] <kosh> MadRush: how did the ram makers do it with speed?
[03:23] <djib> I installed cedega and it tells me that I don't have 3D acceleration
[03:23] <MadRush> the ram makers say ddr400 which is really 266mhz
[03:23] <djib> I use to know a command to display 3D info
[03:24] <auturge> The hard drive manufacturers have another factor in their favour.
[03:24] <djib> would any one of you happen to know what it is ?
[03:24] <auturge> We all know that OSes still display everything in powers of two, right? Regardless of what your hard drive manufacturer says, the size is reported by the system as GiB.
[03:24] <auturge> But everybody knows that the actual usable size you get from a hard drive is significantly lower than the raw capacity due to overheads.
[03:24] <MadRush> i have a '250gb' drive that is really like 215gb
[03:24] <auturge> Everybody *expects* the reported number to be smaller than what's on the tin.
[03:24] <MadRush> thats a big difference
[03:25] <auturge> That doesn't happen with RAM - if manufacturers started diddling the numbers, people *would* notice.
[03:25] <MadRush> i dont think so
[03:25] <auturge> But with a hard drive, you never really know what number you should expect the operating system to ultimately display for free space in the first place.
[03:25] <MadRush> when you see a system that has shared memory for video you see non standard ram numbers
[03:26] <MadRush> ah it could be calculated
[03:26] <auturge> Sure, but that's obvious and expected.
[03:26] <auturge> You still have two numbers that add up to something well-defined and predictable.
[03:26] <MadRush> not obvious to somebody who's not a computer geek
[03:26] <djib> ok it was glxgears with some option
[03:26] <djib> but it's not in the man page
[03:26] <auturge> Sure. But with hard drives, not even the geeks will complain.
[03:26] <howcomes> 4742 frames in 5.0 seconds = 943.004 FPS
[03:26] <howcomes> 4550 frames in 5.0 seconds = 909.843 FPS
[03:26] <djib> howcomes: how do you get that ?
[03:26] <MadRush> i complain every time i buy a hard drive
[03:26] <howcomes> djib: glxgears
[03:26] <auturge> I mean really - if you stick a "500GB" drive in your machine, do you know beyond a *very* vague, general idea what free space you're going to end up seeing?
[03:26] <MadRush> :P
[03:27] <auturge> No. You don't. You just have some notion of what the order of magnitude should be.
[03:27] <djib> yes but I don't get any output when I do glxgears howcomes
[03:27] <MadRush> yeah but with a 30gb drive you know its pretty close to 30gb
[03:27] <djib> I know there was something like glxgears --glxgearsisnotabenchmarkingtool
[03:27] <auturge> You don't have some specific number that you *know* should show up. With RAM, you always do.
[03:27] <MadRush> its only off by 3gb or so
[03:27] <kosh> heck I don't need that big of a drive but on my new system it has SATA 2 support so I want a SATA 2 drive and what I found was 500GB hitachi that will work nicely
[03:27] <djib> or some stupid argument like this ^^
[03:27] <howcomes> djib: you have to add an alias
[03:27] <kosh> if it was 160GB that would still be just fine for me :)
[03:28] <djib> howcomes: ok but what is the command ?
[03:28] <djib> please...
[03:29] <howcomes> got it
[03:29] <howcomes> sudo nano /etc/bash.bashrc
[03:29] <howcomes> add this line:
[03:29] <howcomes> alias glxgears='glxgears -printfps'
[03:29] <MadRush> my 160 gb drive is really 150
[03:29] <auturge> Or just edit your own .bashrc
[03:29] <djib> ok printfps
[03:29] <djib> that's what I wanted
[03:29] <djib> thanks
[03:29] <MadRush> 10gb = big difference to me
[03:29] <howcomes> i dont think it will work unless its in aliases
[03:30] <kosh> doesn't mean squat to me
[03:30] <kosh> I am not in any danger of running out of space
[03:30] <howcomes> of course i thought its just an alias, i should be able to issue that command, but when i tried it i dont think it worked.
[03:30] <howcomes> djib , did it work ?
[03:30] <djib> yes, cheers
[03:30] <MadRush> thats 16% difference from what its marketed as
[03:31] <howcomes> oh, kewl - heh yea at the time i tried it my fglrx drivers were screwed up and nothing was working
[03:31] <MadRush> i really think they should be forced to do it in powers of 2; you'd have a BETTER more accurate idea of what your buying
[03:32] <howcomes> Anyone play TCE ?
[03:32] <auturge> 160GB = 149GiB
[03:32] <auturge> Before you even get into filesystem overhead.
[03:32] <MadRush> like i said, my 160 = 150
[03:32] <kosh> I can't even get the fglrx drivers to work
[03:32] <howcomes> kosh , its a real big pain in the ass
[03:33] <auturge> I don't care whether they do it in powers of 2 or 10, as long as they use the correct label. Oh wait, they do
[03:33] <kosh> I have 2 radeon cards in this system and it just won't activate both of them
[03:33] <MadRush> ive literally got 149 gb of usable space
[03:33] <djib> is there a way to tell kde to display 16bits and not 24bits graphics ? (I mean without changing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf) ?
[03:33] <kosh> actually under windows the ati driver will only run one card also
[03:33] <kosh> however the free software driver will run both cards under linux
[03:33] <MadRush> what other product do you have to sit and use a calculator to see what your really getting?
[03:33] <kosh> so my next system is going to have 2 nvidia cards in it, I have already checked and the configuration I want is supported and works a xinerama setup of 4 heads with 3d accel across all 4 heads
[03:34] <auturge> 500GB = 465.66GiB.. bigger numbers, bigger difference, bigger win for the hard drive makers
[03:34] <auturge> Does KDE handle multiple displays sanely independent of Xinerama?
[03:34] <kosh> I only pay a small attention to hard drive sizes
[03:34] <MadRush> if your processor was a big difference im sure that would never fly
[03:34] <kosh> MadRush: huh?
[03:34] <auturge> Yeah, actually, processor speeds should be given in gibihertz...
[03:34] <auturge> GiHz?
[03:35] <kosh> auturge: well if you run the displays indepedently then they are seperate x servers, kde handles it fine but it does not make much sense
[03:35] <MadRush> if intel sold a 2.8ghz chip as 3.2 im sure there would be a big shit storm over it
[03:35] <auturge> Results 1 - 8 of about 9 for gibihertz. (0.32 seconds)
[03:35] <djib> is there a way to tell kde to display 16bits and not 24bits graphics ? (I mean without changing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf) ?
[03:35] <kosh> umm the chips use the power of ten method
[03:35] <auturge> <-- trendsetter!
[03:35] <kosh> 2.8ghz really is gigahertz
[03:36] <auturge> Oh. Fine. Shoot down a perfectly good protorant.
[03:36] <MadRush> im saying, if i had to use a calculator to bring the speed of the cpu im looking to by into familiar terms id be livid
[03:36] <kosh> however the amd chips are not even bought on the basis of the gigahertz anymore
[03:37] <MadRush> i bought mine knowing what speed it is
[03:37] <kosh> I will be buying opteron 280 procs, darned if I know exactly what clockspeed they are
[03:37] <MadRush> that depends where you get it from, most online resellers go through the trouble of putting the mhz up
[03:37] <kosh> newegg does list the speed in the details
[03:37] <MadRush> i refuse to buy anything from a place like bestbuy that just says its a 'pentium 630'
[03:37] <kosh> but the processor default information just says the name
[03:38] <MadRush> thats another peve of mine, kosh, and intels trying to jump on that bandwagon too
[03:38] <MadRush> obfuscating the specs
[03:38] <kosh> doesn't bother me at all
[03:39] <MadRush> but at least when you buy a processor that says its _ghz you have a firm idea of what your buying
[03:39] <djib> is there a way to tell kde to display 16bits and not 24bits graphics ? (I mean without changing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf) ?
[03:39] <kosh> the opteron numbers don't have squat to do with processor speed
[03:39] <MadRush> its not going to turn out to be 10% lower than you expect
[03:39] <trekkor> "kosh I don't see how it matters much when you can buy 500GB hard drives" -- the difference increases with the size. so you can't "run away from it" with any size increase.
[03:39] <jeroenvrp> has anyone tried KDE 3.5.1 for breezy allready
[03:39] <kosh> 2xx means 2 hypertransport links
[03:39] <jeroenvrp> I have installed it, but the kdedu-packages are not there :-(
[03:40] <kosh> the processor name is very useful just not for the speed information
[03:40] <auturge> But then again, AMD and Intel do actually have a point.
[03:40] <MadRush> i dont know about you but speed is the first thing im interested in when buying a proc, then cache, then buzzwords
[03:40] <auturge> Comparing the clock speed between two different chip architectures (even from the same vendor) is just about meaningless.
[03:40] <auturge> And now that everything's going multicore, even moreso.
[03:40] <kosh> trekkor: if you bought a hard drive that has 50000000TB of space would it really matter compared to a 40000000TB?
[03:40] <howcomes> How can i use Alt codes on linux?
[03:40] <kosh> trekkor: the point is that if your drive is larger then you care about why does it matter how much larger?
[03:40] <auturge> This is not to say that their new naming scheme is necessarily any better, but.. the importance of the raw clock speed is fading fast.
[03:41] <MadRush> yes, i agree aururge about the clock speed
[03:41] <MadRush> but i still like to see it, especially for the kind of processors i deal with most frequently
[03:41] <kosh> the opteron naming scheme is fine I think, it is useful to know more information about the processor and you can easily see the gigahertz etc information
[03:42] <trekkor> auturge: thank you very much for the explanation (and sorry, i was afk)
[03:42] <MadRush> depending on the project i might consider heat reputation to be more important than buzzwords
[03:42] <mars> Sound server informational message:
[03:42] <mars> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[03:42] <mars> device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)
[03:42] <mars> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[03:42] <mars> ?
[03:42] <auturge> I consider heat dissipation more important for *all* projects.
[03:42] <MadRush> if youve ever dealt with a higher end 775 intel chip you may know they generate a lotta heat
[03:42] <kosh> well I am going for amd chips
[03:43] <MadRush> well, i just bought a amd64 3000 and heat wasnt a consideration, and it happens that this one isnt very hot
[03:43] <kosh> since the system I am looking at getting will have 8G of ram
[03:43] <MadRush> but if i was going to put this in a pvr i might consider using this chip over a intel 2.5 or something
[03:43] <kosh> and intel does not have a chip that is really competitive for that
[03:43] <auturge> My next PVR will be Sonoma or Yonah.
[03:44] <auturge> That + PureVideo or AVIVO = PVR lurve
[03:44] <kosh> I need good 64bit support on a solid motherboard setup
[03:44] <kosh> so tyan s2895 is what I will get
[03:44] <kosh> I have seen nothing better
[03:44] <MadRush> what chips are on that
[03:44] <kosh> http://tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html
[03:45] <kosh> it is an nforce 4 professional board
[03:45] <kosh> it has support for dual opteron chips
[03:45] <MadRush> at least you wont be having any silly troubles that im having for buying a board with ULi chips on it
[03:45] <trekkor> "kosh however the amd chips are not even bought on the basis of the gigahertz anymore" -- neither are intel's
[03:46] <trekkor> kosh: it *does* matter to me
[03:46] <MadRush> ah i dunno, amd has some chips that are different ghz rating but same (e.g. two different ghz for 3000) but intel, when they're 2.26ghz, they're 2.26 ghz
[03:46] <kosh> MadRush: I won't have a lot of problems, every bus on that board is wired with slightly more bandwidth then all devices on it can use at a time
[03:47] <jaxB> hello all, i need assistance with cups, i would like it to print raw file to some directory instead of to a device, can anyone help?
[03:47] <MadRush> oh i meant software problems
[03:47] <kosh> MadRush: every pci-e, pci-x, gigabit ethernet etc can run full speed with no contention issues
[03:47] <trekkor> kosh: my drive can never be larger than i expect. so i don't understand your question ("why does it matter how much larger?")
[03:47] <auturge> Intel have done the same as AMD and adopted an arbitrary numbering scheme for their processors, rather than clock speed.
[03:47] <auturge> Some time ago.
[03:47] <MadRush> theres not such great support for ULi chips as there is for oh say nvidia
[03:47] <kosh> trekkor: if you have more space then you possibly need then does it matter how much larger it is?
[03:47] <Phazeman> can someone please tell me the alternative of chkconfig from mandriva in kubuntu/ubuntu ?
[03:47] <kosh> trekkor: I have dned up replacing hard drives faster then I run out of space by a long shot
[03:48] <MadRush> well, my problem isnt running out of space
[03:48] <kosh> trekkor: just replacing a drive every 2-3 years means I replace them faster then they die
[03:48] <MadRush> its having a clear idea of how big of a hard drive im buying
[03:48] <trekkor> howcomes: if by "alt codes" you mean gtk's control+shift+hexa char (0-9, a-f), then one more thing you should know is that it only works for gtk apps
[03:48] <jaxB> anyone, pls, help, cups?
[03:48] <kosh> jaxB: sorry no idea, I have not printed anything in years
[03:49] <jaxB> :) he he he
[03:49] <kosh> jaxB: I last used a printer about 8 years ago
[03:49] <jaxB> OMG
[03:49] <jaxB> well at least the rain forests are a better place cause of you ;-)
[03:50] <Chousuke> heh :p
[03:50] <kosh> I just write db software, why should I need to print anything out?
[03:51] <auturge> There is no direct equivalent, Phazeman. update-rc.d is the closest. What do you need to do?
[03:51] <jaxB> :) sure bro, keep it up, the world needs more like you....i know db programers that print out every howto they come across...some read on screen others on the toilet, thats life
[03:52] <trekkor> kosh: i think you still don't understand what i was saying; to keep it simple, i would suggest that you replace your "trekkor: if you have more space then you possibly need then does it matter how much LARGER it is?" with "trekkor: if you have more space then you possibly need then does it matter how much SMALLER it is?" (my caps-emphasis)
[03:52] <MadRush> it works either way trek
[03:52] <kosh> trekkor: if you have more then you need then it does not matter by how much
[03:52] <Chousuke> You can never have too much space.
[03:52] <Chousuke> NEVER.
[03:53] <kosh> I have had more then enough space for years
[03:53] <trekkor> MadRush: why?
[03:53] <jaxB> :) he he he
[03:53] <Chousuke> With time, you'll find use for it.
[03:53] <MadRush> you could phrase it two ways
[03:53] <trekkor> MadRush: maybe *i* am missing something.
[03:53] <MadRush> i think your not seeing it possible to phrase it differently
[03:53] <MadRush> e.g.
[03:54] <MadRush> i dont care how much more it is - more being how much more they advertise it as then it really is
[03:54] <MadRush> i dont care how much less it is - duh.
[03:54] <kosh> Chousuke: before I run out of space I will replace the drive so that it does not fail mechanically
[03:54] <trekkor> MadRush: i don't think that was a matter of phrasing, but rather a matter of content. a hdd's capacity is always smaller than i would expect.
[03:54] <Chousuke> kosh: heh.
[03:54] <trekkor> MadRush: ... so i would never ask myself "why is it bigger?"
[03:54] <MadRush> no no
[03:55] <MadRush> did you read my first line there?
[03:55] <trekkor> MadRush: ok. i think i am missing something. please explain.
[03:55] <trekkor> MadRush: please paste it again
[03:55] <MadRush> when he said how much larger it is, that can be understood to mean how much LARGER they advertise it over the size it really is
[03:55] <trekkor> MadRush: (as i am not sure which one you're referring to)
[03:56] <alfred300p> hey. how can I hibernate the system with Kde? gnome had an option for that on the shutdown menu, but kde doesn't...
[03:56] <Chousuke> MadRush: mircslap. :(
[03:56] <kosh> Chousuke: I don't like hard drives to fail on me, so I replace drives about every 3 years
[03:56] <howcomes> Can someone help me fix this (hostname) : http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/4774/desktop28ys.png
[03:56] <kosh> Chousuke: given that I end up replacing it with a vastly higher capaciy driver before I have filled up the previous one
[03:56] <auturge> What's there to fix?
[03:56] <Chousuke> I suppose.
[03:56] <trekkor> MadRush: well, then you are certainly right. depending on the context, it can work either way (however, it refers to different things).
[03:57] <howcomes> the console
[03:57] <howcomes> the prompt
[03:57] <howcomes> howcomes@the:~$ - how can i get it to be howcomes@the.world.has.turned.and.left.me.here:~$
[03:57] <auturge> Set PS1 in your .bashrc.
[03:57] <Chousuke> :P
[03:57] <Chousuke> dnsspam
[03:58] <Chousuke> howcomes: I think you can't :/
[03:58] <auturge> Sure you can.
[03:58] <Chousuke> or wait.
[03:58] <Chousuke> right
[03:58] <auturge> You can make the prompt say anything you want to.
[03:58] <howcomes> hmm
[03:58] <Chousuke> just edit PS1
[03:58] <auturge> The default setting for PS1 is in /etc/bash.bashrc. Override that in your ~/.bashrc
[03:58] <kkathman> howdy auturge :)
[03:58] <auturge> Afternoon.
[03:59] <Phazeman> can someone please tell me what is the conf file that has to be edited to configure the services that starts with KDE on startup ? i think i can remove some of those but dunno where...
[03:59] <howcomes> so what am i changing it to ?
[04:00] <Chousuke> howcomes: read the manual page of bash
[04:00] <auturge> Look at what it's set to now.
[04:00] <Chousuke> The man page is big so I'll tell you it's under "PROMPTING"
[04:00] <auturge> Modify to taste.
[04:00] <howcomes> i just got told to rtfm , great :P
[04:00] <Chousuke> howcomes: of course you get told to rtfm
[04:00] <Chousuke> I won't read the manual for you
[04:01] <Phazeman> anyone ?
[04:01] <howcomes> # set a fancy prompt (non-color, overwrite the one in /etc/profile)
[04:01] <howcomes> PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ '
[04:01] <Chousuke> hmm
[04:01] <Chousuke> change \h to \H iirc
[04:01] <Chousuke> if it doesn't work, rtfm :P
[04:01] <howcomes> thx
[04:02] <howcomes> im gonna have to reboot arent i :P
[04:02] <Chousuke> no
[04:02] <auturge> No.
[04:02] <auturge> Changes you make to your .bashrc will take effect in any new command shell after that.
[04:02] <Chousuke> just restart the shell. or do . ~/.bashrc
[04:02] <trekkor> MadRush: anyhow, a "how much larger [they say]  it is" would be such an easy way to disambiguate it, that i have all the rights in the world not to feel kosh's remark as being ambiguous (= working either way). so i pretty much had the right to interpret it as meaning "how much larger it [actually|really]  is"). do you agree? :)
[04:02] <Phazeman> 'm being ignored ?
[04:03] <alfred300p> hibernating on kde? anyone?
[04:03] <trekkor> Phazeman: it's not a file
[04:03] <kosh> Phazeman: no idea what file it is
[04:03] <trekkor> Phazeman: it's a folder where you add executable files
[04:03] <kosh> Phazeman: just click the services you don't want to start
[04:03] <auturge> In 99% of cases, lack of an answer means nobody knows.
[04:03] <auturge> Silence is considered preferable to every single person on the channel saying "I don't know".
[04:03] <kosh> kde system settings -> kde components -> service manager
[04:04] <trekkor> Phazeman: (~/.kde/Autostart/)
[04:04] <Chousuke> howcomes: anyway, getting told to rtfm isn't because no-one wants to help you.
[04:04] <Phazeman> people... i was asking about KDE internal swerivce like kauth
[04:04] <Phazeman> who tell it to start on startup ?
[04:04] <kosh> services are different then autostarted programs
[04:04] <Phazeman> kosh i've asked about kde services from the beginning
[04:04] <Chousuke> howcomes: it's because the answer is in the manual and you should search it before asking. :)
[04:04] <kosh> Phazeman: however by default kde will restart any application that was running when you logged off
[04:04] <trekkor> kosh: right. my mistake.
[04:05] <kosh> Phazeman: I said how to turn them off kde system settings -> kde components -> service manager
[04:05] <Chousuke> howcomes: it's okay to ask where in the manual an aswer is if the manual is big though.
[04:05] <Phazeman> kosh: it's from the kde Control Panel ?
[04:05] <Phazeman> no way to see all this from CLI ?
[04:05] <howcomes> Chousuke
[04:05] <howcomes> after reading the manual
[04:05] <Phazeman> i'm ssh'ed to my box without the ability to open X
[04:06] <howcomes> it would seem \H should do it
[04:06] <kosh> Phazeman: there probably is a way to do it but I don't know where it is
[04:06] <Phazeman> kosh: thanks anyway
[04:06] <Chousuke> howcomes: yep.
[04:06] <Chousuke> howcomes: anyway, I'm not sure if you can have a hostname like that :/
[04:06] <howcomes> but i think im going to have to reboot for the change to take effect (i edited /etc/bash.bashrc - should i be editing another file )
[04:07] <Chousuke> no you don't have to reboot
[04:07] <auturge> Yes!
[04:07] <auturge> I said, edit your ~/.bashrc file
[04:07] <howcomes> perhaps /root/.bashrc
[04:07] <Chousuke> are you root? :P
[04:07] <howcomes> k
[04:07] <howcomes> Kubuntu doesnt have root :P
[04:07] <howcomes> well it does
[04:07] <howcomes> anyway
[04:07] <auturge> There is very rarely any reason to edit /etc/bash.bashrc
[04:07] <howcomes> alright ill undo the changes i made to that
[04:07] <auturge> It'll just cause messes when upgrade time comes.
[04:08] <Chousuke> howcomes: anyway, having a hostname like that is certainly against whatever RFC exists about hostnames :P
[04:08] <auturge> Nah.
[04:08] <doddo> hello! I have been trying to install drivers for my graphics card. I've downoaded a file with the .ko extension. Where should i put it?
[04:08] <howcomes> oh i know it is
[04:08] <auturge> The hostname itself is merely "the".
[04:08] <auturge> The rest is a domain name. That's why he's not getting it all in his prompt.
[04:08] <Flosoft_IRSSI> hey
[04:08] <Flosoft_IRSSI> I need some help with Java 1.5
[04:08] <Flosoft_IRSSI> what is the source to get it from?
[04:08] <Chousuke> auturge: yeah well, I doubt his real domain name is like that either :P
[04:09] <auturge> !java
[04:09] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:09] <vanten> hi all. installed koffice 1.5 beta. There are now red markers (begin of word) en blue markers (end of word) in all my texts. anyone with the same problem?
[04:09] <trekkor> Flosoft_IRSSI: search for a j2re* file on the web page of java
[04:09] <Flosoft_IRSSI> !javadebs
[04:09] <mars> Hi I downloaded thunderbird and i dont know ow to install it
[04:09] <auturge> !tell flosoft_irssi about javadebs
[04:10] <trekkor> auturge: i guess restricted formats only send to java 1.4, but maybe i am wrong.
[04:10] <howcomes> w00t it worked
[04:10] <trekkor> auturge: oh, now i remember: i am wrong
[04:10] <howcomes> thx
[04:10] <auturge> You should not need to download it, mars, just download the package
[04:10] <auturge> um
[04:10] <auturge> !info mozilla-thunderbird
[04:10] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: (Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-0ubuntu05.10 (breezy), Packaged size: 10124 kB, Installed size: 30572 kB
[04:12] <_mars> auturge: yes but i want to download new version, not the old one
[04:14] <trekkor> btw, does (k)ubuntu include any open source 3d game?
[04:14] <trekkor> you know, like nexuiz
[04:14] <trekkor> (which is gpl)
[04:14] <mars_> ?
[04:14] <vanten> !
[04:14] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, vanten
[04:15] <trekkor> btw, don't mention armagetron or other snake or fancy 3d card games. i mean *serious* 3d games.
[04:17] <dec0ding> I removed the Kubuntu's konqueror defaults as described in the wiki but now the forward/back arrows are gone and many other things in Konqueror's interface
[04:17] <trekkor> ... and i don't mind being answered.
[04:17] <auturge> Browse packages.ubuntu.com, trekkor.
[04:18] <Peolo2> hi there
[04:18] <Peolo2> :)
[04:18] <trekkor> auturge: well, then we *must* do something.
[04:19] <trekkor> auturge: other distros actually include some such games
[04:19] <Ayiden> Which "mysql" is recommended? I know the the older one (4.0) has an ubuntu symbol next to it in synaptic. So which one 4.0 or 4.1?
[04:19] <Peolo2> maybe any1 of you can help me. i just want a button on my kde for login in @inet. atm i do that in root console with sudo ppoeconf. --> pon dsl-provider does not work. dunno why
[04:20] <Ayiden> What are the major differences?
[04:20] <ejofee> trekkor: ask in #debian
[04:23] <Crowbar> Anyone know how to get plugins and extensions installed for konqueror?  I've install all the packages that might do it, and i still only have the one search bar plugin.  I was hoping for plugins which compete with firefox's..
[04:24] <kosh> you do know there was never a reason for a search bar in konqueror right?
[04:24] <kosh> you could search from the regular bar since at least 2.0 with any of the keywords
[04:25] <Crowbar> right, but i was hoping for other extesions.  like maybe something like adblock?
[04:25] <kosh> heck you can even hit alt-f2 and type in any keyword that konqueror understands and it will launch a new window and do what you told it
[04:25] <Crowbar> the search bar is the only one i do have.
[04:25] <kosh> adblock is build into 3.5.0 and above
[04:25] <AdvancedWeb> How unstable is Kubuntu 6.04 Alpha 3?
[04:25] <kosh> just right click on an image and block it
[04:25] <Crowbar> kosh: Oh, i'm using 3.4.3 on Kubuntu.
[04:26] <kosh> Crowbar: also look at settings -> configure konqueror -> web shortcuts
[04:26] <kosh> Crowbar: any shortcut in there you can use from the url bar or from alt-f2 launcher
[04:26] <Crowbar> kosh: i know about all that.  I'm talking about extensions similar to those available for firefox.  Do any exist for konqueror?
[04:27] <kosh> Crowbar: so you can just type gg: some search    dmoz: something  etc
[04:27] <kosh> Crowbar: no idea I don't use any extensions with firefox
[04:27] <kosh> Crowbar: what features are you looking for?
[04:28] <Crowbar> kosh: Good question.  Seems i've been trying to track down a spellchecker and it's already included.
[04:28] <kosh> konqueror uses the kde default spellchecker and has for a long time now
[04:29] <kosh> the advantage is that the kde shared spell checker is common to all applications
[04:29] <kosh> so if you add a word in kword then it will also be there in konqueror, kate, kmail etc etc
[04:30] <kosh> night all
[04:31] <howcomes> Where's a good place to start with C# ?
[04:35] <larsivi> howcomes: might not be here... but chech out dotgnu
[04:36] <howcomes> I'm in ##csharp and googling around
[04:43] <BuFF> i'm having a problem: i dunno how to view *.chm through konsole can anyone help me ?
[04:44] <dark_suic> what is chm?
[04:44] <BuFF> files
[04:44] <BuFF> help files
[04:44] <dark_suic> ah, ok
[04:44] <dark_suic> don't know, sorry
[04:49] <niclas> hm, I have a small problem with kopete, It doesnt want to connect, it doesnt even try to do it when I "tell" it to do :)
[04:50] <niclas> Anyone had that problem before ?
[04:51] <dark_suic> Vampis, any account?
[04:51] <trappist> orion_fr_24: please don't do that
[04:51] <orion_fr_24> trappist: do what ?
[04:51] <Vampis> dark_suic: jabber, msn , icq, and yahoo, same problem with all of them
[04:51] <trappist> orion_fr_24: spew public away/back messages
[04:52] <Vampis> it's like kopete doesnt even try to connect
[04:52] <orion_fr_24> trappist: and why ???
[04:52] <dark_suic> well, not gonna ask you if you have inet conncetion :P
[04:52] <orion_fr_24> isnt it made for that ?
[04:52] <Vampis> dark_suic: *lol* :)
[04:52] <DjDarkPingvin> hy
[04:52] <DjDarkPingvin> kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so: undefined symbol: _ZN4KPIM8Identity4nullE
[04:53] <orion_fr_24> trappist: this is a useful feature and I m willing to use it so my contacts can check if i m AFK or not
[04:53] <dark_suic> well, sometimes it happens to me that they don't want to connect if i'm disconnected and tell to connect as away
[04:53] <DjDarkPingvin> i get this error when i try to start kmail
[04:53] <dark_suic> just have to connect as inline
[04:53] <dark_suic> and then switch to away
[04:53] <dark_suic> but i suppose it's not the matter here
[04:53] <Vampis> nope :/
[04:53] <trappist> orion_fr_24: long story short, it's obnoxious.  I don't recall having heard from you on this channel, so it's unlikely anyone here cares when you come and go.  on busy channels it's unnecessary chatter and on slow channels it trips people's activity flags.  basically it's bad netiquette and the world would be a better place if irc clients didn't do it
[04:53] <dark_suic> u checked kopete and the accounts config?
[04:53] <Vampis> Yepp, one moment it worked another not
[04:54] <trappist> orion_fr_24: the irc protocol allows for away status, which can be queried by people who *do* care when you get up from the computer or fail to move the mouse for a while.
[04:54] <Vampis> so i removed the kopete files under home/vampis/.kde/share/apps/
[04:54] <dark_suic> u closed and opened it again?
[04:54] <Vampis> and then removed kopete and installed it again
[04:54] <Vampis> added the accounts
[04:54] <Vampis> and same problem
[04:54] <dark_suic> ok
[04:54] <Vampis> its wierd
[04:54] <dark_suic> then just don't know
[04:54] <dark_suic> you can bet it's weird
[04:54] <Peolo2> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[04:54] <Peolo2> See `config.log' for more details.
[04:54] <Peolo2> i want to install x-chat and i get this error in console(root)
[04:55] <DjDarkPingvin> kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so: undefined symbol: _ZN4KPIM8Identity4nullE
[04:55] <DjDarkPingvin> i get this error when i try to start kmail
[04:55] <Vampis> dark_suic: mhm :)
[04:55] <DjDarkPingvin> what should i do?
[04:55] <dark_suic> i will never understand why people is still trying to compile things that are on the repos
[04:55] <orion_fr_24> trappist: comon man who are you to give me such an irc lesson ?? give me a break
[04:55] <dark_suic> Peolo2, install xchat from adept/synatpic/apt-get
[04:55] <dark_suic> or whatever you want
[04:55] <Vampis> dark_suic: I made a clean installation of ubuntu yesterday when I came home , so now gnome is all gone :D
[04:55] <Peolo2> im kinda news
[04:55] <Peolo2> new
[04:55] <Peolo2> working now about 5 hours with ubuntu and linux
[04:55] <Peolo2> how it works ?
[04:55] <dark_suic> look in adept, peolo2 (k-menu, expert manager)
[04:55] <trappist> orion_fr_24: it's commonly accepted as proper netiquette.  I politely asked, you asked why, I answered you.
[04:56] <Peolo2> im there atm
[04:56] <auturge> orion: Automatic away messages are considered ride and undesirable in this community. If you wish to join a community you should honour its norms.
[04:56] <auturge> That's all the reason you should need.
[04:56] <dark_suic> look for xchat in adept, Peolo2
[04:56] <dark_suic> it should be
[04:56] <dark_suic> if not
[04:57] <dark_suic> look for adding universe and multiverse repositories
[04:57] <Peolo2> it`snot
[04:57] <dark_suic> !multiverse
[04:57] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:58] <Peolo2> may i pm you dark:_suic ?
[04:58] <trappist> orion_fr_24: for a more complete, if less sensitive, explanation, see: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
[04:58] <Peolo2> there are no packeges like this
[04:58] <dark_suic> Peolo2, you can't pm if you aren't registered
[04:58] <dark_suic> look what ubotu said a moment ago
[04:58] <Peolo2> i am
[04:58] <dark_suic> then i don't mind, but ubotu told you the answer ;)
[04:59] <tecs> whenn using k torrent and my download suddenly stopped saying error cannot expand file and then the path of the file
[04:59] <dark_suic> a few lines before
[04:59] <humboldt> does anybody know about ekiga?
[05:00] <dark_suic> !multiverse
[05:00] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[05:01] <azerty> hey all, i am going to have a wireless internet connection. Can i expect problems with the OS ?
[05:01] <Vampis> depends ;)
[05:01] <Vampis> I got a problem because I cant get wpa-supplicant to work, but if you dont use wpa-psk encryption you shouldnt have a problem
[05:02] <orion_fr_24> trappist: ok I read it and i do agree
[05:02] <orion_fr_24> trappist: sorry
[05:02] <Firetech> using KDE 3.5.1, I get "kde-config: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program" everytime I run kde-config, any way to fix this?
[05:02] <trappist> orion_fr_24: it's cool, thanks :)
[05:02] <phin> anyone else have a problem with konqueror were if it trys to play a sound thats on a page it says it fails trying to initiate alsasink?
[05:02] <phin> and just crashes out konq?
[05:02] <phin> i would like to fix this, even if it means i dont get to hear the sounds
[05:03] <phin> stability > functionality
[05:03] <phin> :)
[05:03] <trappist> phin: stability is for girls.  give me bleeding edge!
[05:03] <phin> ya thats fine and all
[05:03] <phin> and i am using dapper
[05:03] <phin> which is rock solid for me
[05:03] <phin> but ive had this problem in hoary as well
[05:05] <azerty> are the mediafiles improved in the newest kubuntu , or are there still problems with the patents
[05:05] <azerty> can i play mp3's at standard config now ?
[05:06] <visik7> anyone have an atheros wireless card ?
[05:06] <Vampis> azerty: I made a clean installation of kubuntu today and mp3's worked from the beginning
[05:06] <visik7> and use the current kernel 2.6.12-10-386 or 686 or 2.6.12-9-386 ?
[05:07] <azerty> Vampis: ok thanx
[05:07] <trappist> visik7: yes
[05:08] <visik7> trappist: is it enabled now ?
[05:08] <alex79> hello
[05:08] <visik7> trappist: can I query u ?
[05:08] <trappist> visik7: it's not even installed at the moment, but if you have a question I might get lucky and know the answer
[05:08] <trappist> visik7: best if we do it here, so everyone can benefit
[05:09] <alex79> I just insall kubuntu in my laptop and the eth0 work at the first start but then it disabled it seflt and dosesnt let me enabled again? any one can help me?
[05:09] <visik7> trappist: I got an hand running sysctl -a (only with ubuntu kernel)
[05:09] <visik7> s/hand/hang
[05:10] <trappist> oh, interesting.  does it go away if you modprobe -r the atheros modules?
[05:10] <phin> so no one has a fix?
[05:10] <visik7> trappist: hang also
[05:11] <trappist> visik7: does it hang after printing a bunch of stuff, or right away?
[05:11] <humboldt> does anybody know how I call a normal phone number with a sip phone? sip: callto: ??
[05:11] <visik7> trappist: yes do u want to see it ?
[05:12] <visik7> humboldt: u must have a service that do it
[05:12] <trappist> visik7: sure, pastebin it please
[05:12] <visik7> trappist: ok wait a moment
[05:12] <humboldt> visik7: I have registered the service (ekiga) but it still does not work
[05:12] <jay> hi
[05:13] <visik7> humboldt: never use it
[05:13] <alex79> anyone can help me?
[05:13] <jay> i just installed dapper drake flight 3 onto my laptop
[05:13] <alex79> with my eth card?
[05:13] <humboldt> visik7: I mean I have registered the ip-to-phone service in ekiga.
[05:13] <jay> and the first time i booted it up, the video is distorted
[05:13] <jay> can anyone help me with this?
[05:13] <humboldt> visik7: my guestion is: how do I enter the number? sip:00220987987 ??
[05:14] <zblach> h	
[05:14] <zblach> i
[05:14] <visik7> trappist: http://pastebin.com/533867
[05:14] <zblach> someone point me to the kubuntu quickstart guide?
[05:14] <visik7> humboldt: should be sip:_phone_number_@service
[05:14] <jay> zblach: if you google it you can find it pretty easily
[05:14] <visik7> or register first to the service and then dial the number
[05:15] <trappist> visik7: that looks like dmesg output, not sysctl
[05:15] <visik7> ah do u want the sysctl output ?
[05:15] <humboldt> trying something like this: sip:0014548342018@ekiga.net
[05:15] <jay> is there a help queue i have to add myself to in this channel?
[05:15] <humboldt> but that wont work
[05:15] <trappist> visik7: if it prints a bunch of stuff bug hangs before completing, yes
[05:16] <visik7> no only the normal output of sysctl and then the oops output
[05:16] <_denny> where is the synaptic on kubuntu?
[05:16] <auturge> "Adept"
[05:16] <visik7> _denny: there isn't, use adept
[05:16] <DennyLoko> ok
[05:17] <trappist> visik7: ah.  don't know where to go next for that, except #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net
[05:17] <jay> can anyone help me with my vid corruption on install?
[05:17] <visik7> trappist: same error with different machine with the same kernel
[05:18] <jay> do you guys not offer help on dapper?
[05:18] <trappist> visik7: the folks in #kernelnewbies are studs and can likely help
[05:18] <DennyLoko> how can I habilit the apt-get?
[05:18] <Foodcoman> Morning
[05:18] <visik7> trappist: ok I go
[05:19] <visik7> trappist: but with another non ubuntu kernel it works fine
[05:19] <visik7> so should be a ubuntu bug
[05:19] <visik7> maybe on ubuntu-devel ?
[05:19] <jay> help...
[05:19] <trappist> visik7: if it's ubuntu-specific I'd say file a bug on the kernel package
[05:20] <trappist> visik7: but there's also #ubuntu-kernel... strictly devel chat there though
[05:20] <visik7> maybe I can try a dapper kernel
[05:20] <trappist> could do that
[05:21] <jay> hello?
[05:22] <trappist> jay: some people will try, but the general consensus is if you use dapper you need to be either able to fix or prepared to deal with whatever breaks
[05:24] <jay> trappist:  do you know if breezy has any issues installing on a laptop with a radeon xpress 200M?
[05:25] <trappist> jay: no, I don't
[05:25] <`Nomad> Why won"t totem play a .mov movie from the DVD, but if I copy it to HD it does?
[05:25] <jay> trappist:  i'm new to linux/kubuntu.  can i just throw in the breezy cd and let it install over dapper?
[05:25] <`Nomad> It says it can't find it
[05:26] <trappist> jay: you'll need to let it wipe out dapper
[05:26] <`Nomad> but I double-clicked the movie from Konq browsing the DVD
[05:26] <jay> trappist: does it give an option to do that in the install?
[05:27] <trappist> jay: yes
[05:27] <jay> trappist: ok thanks
[05:27] <trappist> jay: it won't say 'wipe out dapper' of course but there's an option to start from scratch
[05:33] <douglas> I seem to be having trouble building the sample wxwidgets app in kdevelop
[05:33] <douglas> I installed wx2.6-headers and a few others.
[05:33] <douglas> What else do I have to do?
[05:40] <Vampis> How do I put some programs in autostart?
[05:41] <Vampis> Make links in .kde/Autostart ?
[05:42] <jpatrick> Vampis: yes
[05:42] <Vampis> like ln -s /usr/bin/programname /home/vampis/.kde/Autostart ?
[05:43] <jpatrick> yep
[05:43] <engenheiro> as
[05:43] <Vampis> hm,  I dont find Katapult in either /usr/bin or /usr/sbin
[05:44] <Vampis> hm, maybe can cheat
[05:45] <engenheiro> alguem sabe como se muda para root na consola
[05:45] <engenheiro> ???
[05:45] <Vampis> use the shortcut in the menu, copy it do the Desktop and there to the Autostart directory
[05:45] <Vampis> BRB
[05:45] <engenheiro> ??
[05:47] <Vampis> Yes it worked :)
[05:47] <Vampis> dark_suic: and now kopete works :)
[05:47] <`Nomad> !automatix
[05:47] <ubotu> Automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does other harmful things like "echo -e 'ynY\n'" that are considered security risks. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications but the best thing is to read documentation.
[05:48] <DevGet> Hi all, I'm trying to comple beagle, but I dont succed, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/533922
[05:49] <dark_suic> Vampis, happy it works :)
[05:51] <Vampis> *getting some coffee*
[05:52] <tomeklu> hi all
[05:52] <tomeklu> i ve got a problem with kde
[05:52] <Vampis> Does KDE have a application installer like gnome ? the gnome-app-installer or whats its name ?
[05:52] <tomeklu> vampis , yeah it does
[05:52] <DevGet> Vampis: adept
[05:53] <tomeklu> adept
[05:53] <tomeklu> so , the kde 3.4 crashes very often i got no idea why
[05:53] <Vampis> oh, nice
[05:54] <Vampis> Aha there it was
[05:54] <Vampis> and damn, mother on phone
[05:55] <DevGet> tomeklu: not fun..
[05:55] <Peolo2> re
[05:55] <tomeklu> yeah, but i used to have the kde 3.4 on debian, and everything was fine
[05:56] <tomeklu> then i have installed kubuntu and problems have apeared
[05:57] <Peolo2> xchat wont work: (
[05:57] <Peolo2> same problem as before
[05:57] <Peolo2> damnit
[05:57] <tomeklu> and the worst thing is that the crashes come without any reason ex. i open up kmenu, and ...
[05:57] <DevGet> Peolo2: why not koversation?
[05:57] <Peolo2> koversation ?
[05:57] <tomeklu> devget ;) konversation sucks
[05:58] <jpatrick> tomeklu: no it doesm't
[05:58] <DevGet> tomeklu: maybe you can try to upgrade to kde 3.5, but i'm not sure if it helps or not
[05:58] <tomeklu> xcvhat is far more better
[05:58] <trappist> or even 3.5.1
[05:58] <DevGet> trappist: yes :)
[05:59] <jpatrick> tomeklu: I don't like GTK
[05:59] <tomeklu> another two hours of downloading :( i'm not sure that the guys have tested the kde 3.5 well
[05:59] <DevGet> tomeklu: lowspeed connection? :E
[06:00] <tomeklu> yeah :/ 320 kbps :/
[06:00] <DevGet> ok :/
[06:01] <tomeklu> ok, gotta go lookin' for answers on the forums :/
[06:01] <tomeklu> have a nice day
[06:01] <DevGet> tomeklu: good luck
[06:02] <ClayG> i just set up webmin, it never asked for a username/passowrd now logggin in the first time I just put mine and it wasn't accepted. Any ideas?
[06:03] <trekkor> what do i do if i want to play quake?
[06:04] <trekkor> i installed the two debs in the repos but it doesn't seem to be enough
[06:04] <damnhil> how do I use the special keys in my keyboard?
[06:04] <trekkor> they are incredibly small sized anyway
[06:04] <trekkor> which might show they are fakes
[06:04] <trekkor> damnhil: try altgr
[06:05] <jpatrick> trekkor: right-clcik -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Details
[06:05] <DevGet> damnhil: what do you mean with special keys, webbrowser and so?
[06:05] <damnhil> DevGet: yes they are in keycode of 234 and I want to execute a command when I press it
[06:06] <trekkor> jpatrick: where is the kubuntu package menu? or what should i right-click on?
[06:06] <DevGet> damnhil: if your keyboard is in the list in system settings, KDE will fix it for you, else I don't know...
[06:07] <jpatrick> trekkor: right-click on the files in Konqueror
[06:07] <_vge> trekkor: after you have installed it, you need to copy the orginal files from your cd to the installation folder
[06:08] <visik7> i18n packages for 3.5.1 aren't out ?
[06:12] <trekkor> jpatrick: my quake-data file is 9210 bytes, so i think it is a fake quake-data file... it just can't be that small
[06:12] <`Nomad> !ssh
[06:12] <ubotu> well, ssh is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto
[06:12] <jpatrick> trekkor: they can be (sometimes)
[06:13] <djk_> what's the hotplug subsystem?
[06:13] <ole> greetings. since you could alll help em so nicely yesterday, i leanred alot.
[06:13] <ole> and with a little try and error i managed to get my quake2 running :D
[06:14] <ole> but: i got like 20 fps on software 800x600. and like 1fps on sdlgl or opengl :(
[06:14] <yellowdart> djk_: it's what recognizes stuff you plug into your system while it's running such as usb/firewire peripherals
[06:14] <ole> could it be, my grafic drivers are not so good ? and if yes, how do i update them ?
[06:14] <yellowdart> djk_: it also recognizes when you remove that stuff too
[06:16] <djk_> yellowdart: ok, how do i disable it? do debian/gentoo use it as well?
[06:16] <trekkor> jpatrick: are you still there?
[06:16] <yellowdart> djk_: the whole idea is that it does everything dynamically to build the '/dev' directory so that you dont have to restart everytime you want to...say, plug in a game controller or a new printer
[06:16] <eivis> anybody knows how to activate the wireless network card in Kubntu?
[06:16] <yellowdart> djk_: why would you want to disable it?
[06:17] <djk_> yellowdart: because it hardly ever gets past 'starting hotplug subsystem' on my laptop
[06:18] <yellowdart> djk_: yeah, debian 100% and gentoo is if you 'rc-update add hotplug default' during your install...which they do tell you to do
[06:19] <ole> so i guess ym question is: how do i update my grafic driver (i downlaoded nvidias driver, but it said my x-server is running when i tried to install. how do i boot without starting the x-server gui ?)
[06:21] <djk_> yellowdart: all that needs to be detected is a printer and once in a while an external cd-drive. but they're usually connected before the laptop is powered on, thus there's no need for the hotplug subsystem.
[06:21] <djk_> yellowdart: so, would you happen to know how to disable it?
[06:22] <yellowdart> djk_: i'm seeing if i can find that info really quick...one sec
[06:22] <trekkor> _vge: i don't have the cd! :(
[06:23] <djk_> yellowdart: thanks
[06:25] <mcsteels> hi, just trying to get some help with my repos as I cant apt-get anything, have a look here at my repo and see what you think http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/533981
[06:26] <ClayG> whats a lightweight browser? besides dillo? I need something that can connect to password'ed sites
[06:26] <auturge> mcsteels, you want universe and multiverse.
[06:27] <yellowdart> djk_: here's some info on what you need: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491&highlight=sysv-rc-conf
[06:27] <auturge> !sources
[06:27] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:27] <trekkor> "mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[06:27] <trekkor> " -- well, how do i specify the filesystem of a cdrom?
[06:27] <mcsteels> either, times out when i apt-get update
[06:27] <auturge> Or just uncomment the entries you already have--
[06:27] <Peolo2> is there a way to get xine with sudo apt-get ?
[06:28] <Peolo2> sudo apt-get install xine wont work
[06:28] <trekkor> "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" -- well, how do i specify the filesystem of a cdrom?
[06:28] <djk_> yellowdart: thank you.
[06:28] <trekkor> Peolo2: try xine-ui
[06:28] <jpatrick> trekkor: I am now
[06:28] <Peolo2> k
[06:29] <mcsteels> auturge: how do you mean?? can you show me on pastebin??
[06:29] <Peolo2> works
[06:29] <Peolo2> :)
[06:29] <Peolo2> thx dude
[06:29] <yellowdart> djk_:  no problem...good luck with that :)
[06:29] <trekkor> jpatrick: it seems i had a great and almighty lag
[06:29] <trekkor> Peolo2: np
[06:29] <auturge> If you look, you'll see a couple of lines in that file that say universe and are commented out.
[06:29] <auturge> Uncomment them.
[06:29] <mcsteels> ok will try
[06:29] <auturge> And then add 'multiverse' right after 'universe' to  both.
[06:30] <Peolo2> hell yeah i like my kubuntu
[06:30] <Peolo2> :)
[06:30] <Peolo2> it was a good choice to change from windows
[06:30] <Peolo2> :)
[06:31] <trekkor> Peolo2 :)
[06:32] <trekkor> is there any gui interface for mounting cds?
[06:32] <mcsteels> auturge: like this http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/533996 ??
[06:33] <reon> How would one install KDE3.5.1 from a base system (Server install)  ? I just want KDE & not kubuntu desktop. Want only add the apps I want.
[06:33] <auturge> Yes, that is right - but you *also* need to leave the two 'main' lines near the top uncommented.
[06:33] <mcsteels> auturge: ok will change
[06:34] <dark_suic> reon, try installing just the packages... they'll probably depend on kde base packages you need to install
[06:36] <reon> dark_suic, like sudo apt-get install kde ??? Would I have to install X from server as wel ?
[06:36] <jpatrick> reon: yes
[06:36] <Bill> Hi, Does anyone know where the log for Adept Package Manager would be found ?  I looked in var log but none there ?
[06:36] <dark_suic> reon, if you install kde it will install loads and loads of apps
[06:36] <dark_suic> if you just install the apps, they depend on base system that should be installed
[06:37] <Bill> I'm installing Bugzilla on XAMPP  and it recons I have no database, firt time around.
[06:37] <reon> dark_suic, so what package do I install for kde then ?
[06:37] <dark_suic> you should just try, if not, just try to install kde and then remove what you don't want
[06:37] <dark_suic> reon, install the packages you know you want
[06:37] <howcomes> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=124407
[06:37] <mcsteels> auturge: got this error http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/534004
[06:38] <auturge> That looks like a network configuration problem.
[06:38] <reon> dark_suic, maybe kde-core will do it ?
[06:38] <auturge> What does 'host gb.archive.ubuntu.com' tell you?
[06:38] <dark_suic> reon, try installing amarok, for example
[06:38] <dark_suic> it will depend on some libs
[06:38] <dark_suic> that libs in the kde-core package
[06:39] <dark_suic> and that will install all
[06:39] <dark_suic> if you choose just the main apps you want, it should install all what you need
[06:39] <howcomes> If i wanted to code in C# under KDE what program should i use ?
[06:39] <reon> dark_suic, hmm, maybe it is easier just to do a normal install and then remove stuff
[06:39] <MetaMorfoziS> where i can setwhere i can set the default applications for any extension?
[06:39] <dark_suic> that's your  choice ;)
[06:40] <mcsteels> auturge: that it couldnt connect...... hmm... so wheres the problem then? The net connection is working fine
[06:40] <jpatrick> howcomes: Kate? KDevelop?
[06:40] <auturge> Sorry, what did it say?
[06:40] <dark_suic> you wanted to install just some apps...
[06:40] <dark_suic> i said howto :P
[06:40] <auturge> If you type that command. host gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:41] <howcomes> I just came across Kdevelop
[06:41] <howcomes> looking at it now
[06:41] <mcsteels> auturge: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/534010
[06:41] <jpatrick> "sudo apt-get install kdevelop3" if you want it
[06:42] <auturge> That's.. mildly odd.
[06:42] <yellowdart> howcomes: there really is no IDE for KDE using MONO...your best bet would still be monodevelop... but Kate (kdevelop also) will do syntax highlighting and you can still compile everything from a terminal
[06:42] <howcomes> to compile c# i can use gcc right ?
[06:42] <flipjarg> i've just installed bittorrent.deb from bittorrent.com but it doesn't work, i need to uninstall it now, how do i do that?
[06:42] <jpatrick> howcomes: don't know
[06:43] <yellowdart> howcomes: no, you have to use the mono jit
[06:43] <mcsteels> auturge: have been on the kubuntu forums with this problem and had no answers. what do you think is wrong?
[06:43] <howcomes> flip, if i had to guess id say dpkg -r bittorrent.deb
[06:43] <auturge> Can you ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[06:43] <howcomes> flip - check the man page of dpkg
[06:43] <yellowdart> howcomes: mck i think it is
[06:43] <flipjarg> howcomes: it didn't work.
[06:43] <Bill> If you are using kate or kdevelop how do you configure a non default syntax highlight, for a differnt language ?
[06:43] <howcomes> dpkg handles dep files
[06:43] <howcomes> *deb
[06:44] <flipjarg> howcomes: What directory should i be in, it can be any right?
[06:45] <Peolo2> im still trying to install x-chat. got that error -->
[06:46] <Peolo2> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[06:46] <Peolo2>   liblaunchpad-integration0: Hngt ab: launchpad-integration ist aber nicht installierbar
[06:46] <Peolo2> is there a german ubuntu channel ? coze i get the error-messages in germany
[06:46] <Peolo2> "german"
[06:47] <dark_suic> !de
[06:47] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:47] <DevGet> !se
[06:47] <ubotu> DevGet: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:47] <mcsteels> auturge: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/534017 yeah
[06:48] <Bill> Is anyone using Adept from 5-10 ?
[06:49] <dark_suic> what u need, Bill
[06:49] <Bill> I've just installed some package,  and I want to read the log to see what its done
[06:49] <Bill> I looked in /var/log  but none there
[06:49] <dark_suic> it logs?
[06:49] <dark_suic> well
[06:50] <jpatrick> Bill: I think it's in /var/log/dpkg
[06:50] <dark_suic> you should try to find the logs of apt, not adept
[06:50] <dark_suic> probably :)
[06:50] <jpatrick> dark_suic: even better dpkg
[06:50] <dark_suic> yeah
[06:50] <Bill> well,  when you select a pkg to install,  then click Commit  Changes,  to do the installation,  it looks like a log dialogue.
[06:51] <auturge> I don't know. apt-get is failing to connect to the repository, but I'm at a loss to see why.
[06:51] <Bill> When I then uninstall,  'cause I didn't like what it did,  I see the same dialogue,  so it must be stored somewnere.
[06:51] <mcsteels> auturge: is ok at first I thought it was just me being stupid:P Do you know if there is a repo channel??
[06:52] <auturge> I'm not aware of one.
[06:52] <auturge> But it's not a problem with the repository.
[06:52] <auturge> I use the same one and I have no problem.
[06:52] <KLymer> can I get any help here?
[06:52] <Bill> jpatrick - thanks I'll look........
[06:53] <mcsteels> auturge: hmmmm.... ok thanx for the help:D
[06:53] <KLymer> I recently installed Kubuntu Breezy 5.10
[06:55] <jpatrick> arg, MSN acting up again
[06:56] <nat> Hi, is someone can help me ? I don't know what is exactly my problem, but I've a lot of device which are not working normaly
[06:57] <nat> for exemple my I read a new cd
[06:57] <nat> I can open the cd already in the cdrom when i start the computer
[06:57] <Bill> Has anyone installed Bugzilla-doc recently ?  Where does it unpack the docs ? In the dpkg.log it confirms that it has unpacked them,  but we need to turn the wick up to get more details.
[06:57] <nat> but if i eject it and put a new one, there is nothing
[06:58] <nat> i cand read it
[06:58] <nat> i can't read it
[07:00] <bhna> kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so: undefined symbol: _ZN4KPIM8Identity4nullE
[07:00] <bhna> is there a bug in the kde 351 packages. kmail doesnt start. kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so: undefined symbol: _ZN4KPIM8Identity4nullE
[07:02] <_roasty> sss
[07:02] <Bill> Hi nat - do you mean you can read the CD without prob's on another machine ?
[07:02] <jpatrick> Hi Knowerrors
[07:02] <Bill> But on your Kubuntu machine it doesn't read the CD ?
[07:03] <nat> yes
[07:04] <nite_w0lf> Question! just got my install CD's. kubuntu 5.10 and 6.04 Flight 2. Whitch would be the best choice?
[07:04] <nat> when I eject cd cdrom and put anther one, i can't mount it...
[07:04] <Jaymac> nite.. use 5.10
[07:04] <nite_w0lf> TY
[07:04] <nat> i can't launch k3b for ex
[07:04] <KLymer> QUESTION! : How can I install kubuntu packages without internet acc?
[07:05] <Jaymac> unless you're experienced and likle messing around with broken stuff
[07:05] <Jaymac> cd
[07:05] <auturge> Unless you are a sophisticated Linux user, 5.10 would be better.
[07:05] <nat> or kpart
[07:05] <nite_w0lf> either of these will give me the KDE desktop?
[07:05] <Bill> nat -  what happens when you use a LiveCD session ? Does it boot OK from the CD drive ?
[07:06] <auturge> Yes, any Kubuntu installation will give you KDE.
[07:06] <nat> I don't know, I ve install only kbuntu, i can't burn cd :(
[07:06] <nat> so I can't try a live cd
[07:06] <nite_w0lf> ty. i will probably be back later with more questions.
[07:07] <Bill> nat - have you ever seen that CD drive working OK with your  current installation ?
[07:08] <nat> yes, if i want to read it, the "only" thing I ve to do is to reboot
[07:08] <Bill> nat - so what has changed since it last worked OK ?
[07:09] <nat> It has never wor
[07:09] <nat> k
[07:11] <nat> before, I was on a unbuntu hoary and It was working perfectly. I had to put a windows then i reinstalled a linux. I installed kubuntu because I prefere kde than gnome but now I ve this problem
[07:11] <Bill> Hi Nat -  sorry  I don't  understand you.
[07:11] <Peolo2> !de
[07:11] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[07:11] <nat> yes sorry for my english ...
[07:12] <Bill> I was trying to establish if you had a hardware problem with your CD,  or if there was something wierd happening with the way your CD and other devices is getting mounted or put into use.
[07:12] <paines> hi
[07:12] <nat> non the CD is ok
[07:12] <nat> the problem comes from the device
[07:12] <Bill> But I#m in danger of moving into bullshTTing you because I don't know enough about the way Kubuntu gabs its devices and puts them into use.
[07:12] <paines> anyone using dapper. i have an issue with cups / kprinter. whenever I want to print something from kde apps, kprinter start initializing cups and fails. anyone can confirm this ?
[07:13] <nat> do you understand my problem Bill ?
[07:13] <Bill> So either you have a problem with the way the CD device is handled by the Kubuntu software,  or you have a hardware problem,
[07:14] <nat> no I'm sure that it's kubuntu software the problem
[07:15] <Bill> OK,  do you have another CD in any other PC around you,  or in a box of old PC components ?
[07:15] <Bill> Its pretty easy to swap out a CD and test if the hardware is giving you the problem.
[07:15] <nat> no... I ve only this one it's a laptop
[07:15] <Bill> Ah,   thats a bit differnt.
[07:15] <howcomes> My Desktop: http://img496.imageshack.us/img496/4584/desktop34am.png
[07:16] <trappist> jeroenvrp: please don't do that
[07:17] <Bill> When you boot the laptop and try to boot from the CD,  does it doe the right sort of thing and read files from the CD. It's difficult to test this because you said you don't have any LiveCD's with you.
[07:18] <Bill> Maybe you have some other CD that is bootable ?  That vould test if the CD hardware reads OK when the BIOS tells it what to do.
[07:18] <nat> yes, if i insert the install cd of kubuntu, i can boot on
[07:18] <paines> howcomes, transparent konsole ? isn't that disturbing while wokring
[07:18] <paines> i mean for the eyes
[07:18] <dark_suic> paines, it doesn't have to be
[07:19] <dark_suic> i work with transparent konsole
[07:19] <dark_suic> and no problem
[07:19] <dark_suic> just depends on what's the back image you got
[07:19] <GullyFoyle> i patched ut2004 and now it complains it can't find libSDL-1.2.so.0 even though the file exists and the game ran before i patched it. How do i point the startup script the lib?
[07:19] <Bill> OK,  so it will boot ok,  but after you boot Kubuntu from what is installed on your harddrive,  it doesn't  make the CD hardware do the right thing. Is that a good summary ?
[07:20] <paines> dark_suic, hrhr. for me it wouldn't work. have monica belluci there
[07:20] <osh_> what's the package to get for true transparency? Anyone know?
[07:20] <dark_suic> lol
[07:20] <dark_suic> that's a problem :P
[07:20] <dark_suic> i have the little sister of liv kristine though :P
[07:20] <dark_suic> but it still works :P
[07:21] <paines> GullyFoyle, export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=whereyoulibsdlis:$LD_LIBARARY_PATH ./ut2004
[07:21] <Bill> I mean it will boot from a LiveCD of Kubuntu,  but then has problems driving the CD device when the laptop has loaded the kubuntu loaded from your harddrive.
[07:21] <dark_suic> it at least gives me some energy to stay at work and not start playing some games :P
[07:22] <Bill> Sorry nat,  thats as far as I can take you.  My kids have just come home,  and I need to go cook some food before they eat the sofa !
[07:22] <nat> ok thks for all
[07:23] <jeroenvrp> trappist: whats the problem
[07:23] <Bill> I hope I was able to help you diagnose the nature of your problem and maybe someone else can help you with corrective actions to fix the problem
[07:23] <trappist> jeroenvrp: please don't put public away/back messages in the channel
[07:23] <jeroenvrp> I always do that, no one ever complained about that in the 10 year i' m on irc, you are the first
[07:23] <Bill> If anyone can help me install Bugzilla on XAMPP in about 1hour I'd really appreciate it.
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> it' s even the default setting in konversation
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> :-)
[07:24] <jeroenvrp> so,my answer is: no
[07:24] <Bill> Or find where the bugzilla-doc has gone after I installed that. ?   :-)
[07:25] <GullyFoyle> paines: says ./ut2004 not a valid identifier
[07:25] <trappist> jeroenvrp: on busy channels it's unnecessary scroll that interferes with the chat.  on slow channels it trips activity flags when nothing is happening.  on ANY channel you're not active on, nobody cares when you come or go, and for anyone who does care, the irc protocol has a perfectly good away system that can be queried.
[07:25] <jeroenvrp> trappist: good for you
[07:26] <trappist> jeroenvrp: no need to be a jerk.
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> I will stick with my away messages, thanks for your update
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> trappist: I' m not a jerk. you try to learn me somsething about netiquette
[07:26] <jeroenvrp> I know that, believe me
[07:28] <trappist> !away
[07:28] <ubotu> away is probably http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
[07:30] <osh_> Random Fortune: How should I know if it works? That's what beta testers are for. I only coded it. 	-- Attributed to Linus Torvalds, somewhere in a posting
[07:31] <osh_> Sorry. Didn't mean to do that.
[07:31] <paines> hrhr
[07:32] <Knowerrors> hey jpat|away
[07:32] <jpatrick> hello
[07:33] <osh_> Qt: 3.3.4
[07:33] <osh_> KDE: 3.5.0
[07:33] <osh_> kde-config: 1.0
[07:33] <Knowerrors> anybody using 3.5.1 yet?
[07:33] <osh_> Aparently not me. I was thinking about upgrading.
[07:34] <Knowerrors> I just read the announcement... do we need all 4 of those repo lines to get it?
[07:34] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: just on
[07:34] <jpatrick> one*
[07:34] <Knowerrors> ok, so just pick one
[07:35] <ilba7r> can i opt back to the old openoffice 1. instead of 2. using the repos. for 2. is increadibiliy bugy
[07:35] <Knowerrors> are you running it jpatrick?  if so, whats new, just bug fixes I assume?
[07:35] <jpatrick> Knowerrors: I am - it's a bug-fix release yes
[07:36] <osh_> !kde
[07:36] <ubotu> I guess kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[07:36] <Azertyuuu> hey all, when will be the release of Dapper Drake (final) ?
[07:36] <paines> GullyFoyle, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/the/pasth/wehere/you/installed/libsdl/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./ut2004. you have to do this form inside ut2004/system/bin iirc
[07:38] <osh_> Where are the repos for kde3.5.1?
[07:39] <jpatrick> osh_: see kubuntu.org
[07:39] <trappist> osh_: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[07:39] <osh_> trappist: thanks
[07:42] <osh_> Bugs that have been reported and fixed,do they ever get backported to the current version (breezy) or are they just fixed in dapper?
[07:46] <Traum> !full upgrade
[07:46] <ubotu> Traum: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:49] <GullyFoyle> paines: paine: grr i typed LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0/: $LD_LIBRARY_PATH ut2004 and it gave this: bash: /usr/lib/: is a directory
[07:54] <neoncode> my system seems unstable, programs like konquror and kaffine just tend to crash. and Firefox has a tendancy to just close without warning.
[07:57] <rideout> Anbody know what is up with the kdeedu packages for 351, there seems to be only some packages for all or 386 and the rest are amd64
[07:58] <nlindblad> 351?
[07:58] <rideout> kde 3.5.1
[07:58] <rideout> the kubuntu.org repository
[07:59] <paines> GullyFoyle, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./ut2004
[07:59] <paines> GullyFoyle, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH ./ut2004
[08:04] <Azertyuuu> i am currently on Windows but, can anyone tell me if i can install e-tech 802.11g USB wireless LAN  card  on kubuntu ? THANKS
[08:04] <`Nomad> I've kinda lost the ability to use video playing software since I updated to 3.5.1.. Is there a major change or repositories that i have to do?
[08:06] <Riddell> rideout: curious
[08:07] <GullyFoyle> paines: i give up, i've tried everything, checked for spelling errors etc. libSDL-1.2.so.0 is a link to libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1, could that be a problem?
[08:09] <rideout> Riddell: for example, kturtle only has this package in the repo http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/pool-breezy/kdeedu/kturtle_3.5.1-0ubuntu0breezy1_amd64.deb
[08:10] <rideout> so i have no upgrade path for http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde350/pool-breezy/kdeedu/kturtle_3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb
[08:10] <`Nomad> !repositories
[08:10] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:11] <`Nomad> !easysource
[08:11] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:13] <Riddell> rideout: yes, I've no idea where they went to
[08:13] <Riddell> rideout: I'm afraid I don't think I have any way to compile that for i386 just now
[08:13] <`Nomad> As-tu ferme le port-forwarding?
[08:13] <`Nomad> Ooops, wrong software lol
[08:14] <rideout> Riddell: that's ok with me, i don't use the programs, just thought i'd bring it to someone's attention
[08:16] <paines> GullyFoyle, yes. do ldd ut2004-bin. this will give you a list of files libs which are linked againt the u2004-bin binary.
[08:16] <paines> GullyFoyle, check that your libsdl is the same naming
[08:16] <Riddell> rideout: thanks
[08:18] <cberthe> hello everybody
[08:21] <cberthe> i installed kubuntu a few days ago, a migration from debian test with kernel 2.4 but now i have a problem with my dvd-writer, it was detected one time, but i was not able to write dvd due to limitation to cdrecord that do not support dvd-r/-rw, i then installed dvdrecord and i was hable to format dvd-rw, but after a reboot, the system doesn't reconize my dvd-writer anymore, no detection after plugin my dvd-writer, it work for other device like usb key, c
[08:21] <cberthe> e problem ?
[08:25] <cberthe> help to resolve my problem will be really apreciated, thanks
[08:27] <snapy> cberthe: I don't know about dvdrecord, I used once growisofs from the dvd+rw-tools
[08:28] <snapy> you can create isos and burn dvds (and probably cd's also)
[08:28] <cberthe> yep, i also know growisofs, the problem is kubuntu do not detect my dvd-writer anymore when i plugged it since i reboot
[08:28] <snapy> do you have cdrecord installed?
[08:28] <cberthe> yes, i have cdrecord, dvdrecord ..., the problem is hardware detection
[08:28] <snapy> because you can try cdrecord -prcap /dev/cdrom
[08:29] <snapy> does the /dev/cdrom (or equivalent) show up in /dev?
[08:30] <cberthe> yep, /dev/cdrom is my internal laptop cdrom/cdwriter, my dvd-writer is usb2 device, and i do not have detection and /dev/scd0, /dev/sr0, /dev/sg0, it work only 1 time !!!
[08:31] <snapy> have you tried usbview? (just a guess)
[08:32] <cberthe> yes, tried usbview, only show my usb mouse, no dvd-writer !
[08:34] <snapy> I guess I cannot give you any more ideas (only psycological support :) )
[08:34] <snapy> let's see...
[08:35] <snapy> at least the syslog or kern.log files should tell something when you plug and unplug your device
[08:35] <mars> I have a question
[08:35] <mars> I anm trying to install from source some windecos but it doesent work
[08:35] <cberthe> no more entries in syslog or kern.log about my dvd-writer when i plugged it ! that's very strange !
[08:35] <mars> I have KDE 3.5 and i even cant compile deKorator
[08:35] <jpatrick> mars: that thing is old
[08:36] <snapy> cberthe: indeed...
[08:36] <snapy> and you said it worked once before??
[08:38] <cberthe> snap: yes, but after a usb bus deconnect, it didn't work anymore, no more detection of this device !
[08:38] <mars_> jpatrick: what is old? Sory i disconnected
[08:38] <jpatrick> mars_: the theme
[08:38] <mars_> I cant compile anything
[08:39] <mars_> You mean i can install only themes from kde 3.x link?
[08:39] <snapy> cberthe: uhmmm, do you have other USB device (e.g a pen-stick ) to try on the same port where you branched your DVD writer?
[08:40] <cberthe> snapy: already tried my usb key on same port and it's working ! only my dvdwriter is no more detected ...
[08:41] <snapy> cberthe: ok, and have you tried your dvdwriter on another machine? (or maybe rebooting and trying again) (or maybe even in W$...)
[08:41] <jpatrick> _mars: probably
[08:41] <`Nomad> Is it relatively saf to use the cipherphunk rep?
[08:42] <cberthe> snapy: already reboot with no change, not tried yet on my W$ on the other computer, i will try it !
[08:45] <mars_> I noticed that i cant install windecos that has folder kwin inside
[08:45] <mars_> But i dont know what to do :/
[08:45] <mars_> Nope the same problems with almost all
[08:45] <mars_> :/
[08:45] <jpatrick> mars_: did you add the "--prefix=/usr" flag
[08:46] <mars_> I will try
[08:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:50] <ziza> KDE naturally truncates the labels of the icons on your desktop if they're too long, but I don't understand why it doesn't show the full text if I click on the icon or just hover over it in the hope to see a tooltip
[08:50] <ziza> is this a bug?
[08:50] <ziza> using version 3.5.1
[08:52] <ilba7r> !oo2
[08:52] <ubotu> ilba7r: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:52] <DjDarkPingvin> hy ,how can a I change the default language of the spell chek_
[08:52] <DjDarkPingvin> ?
[08:53] <jpatrick> DjDarkPingvin: KControl?
[08:53] <DjDarkPingvin> k i try
[08:54] <ziza> no comment to my phenomenon?
[08:56] <arrinmurr> ziza: well, at least it's not the way only latest kde behaves. i've wondered why it works that way myself sometimes
[08:56] <cberthe> snapy: ok, tried on W$ with no more success, seems my dvd-writer died during the process on testing it on kubuntu, i will try it tommorow on my Mac, to be certain ...
[08:57] <snapy> cberthe: my condolences
[08:58] <snapy> cberthe:  If it is just a DVD mounted in a rack you can also check the cable connections...
[08:58] <`Nomad> WHich package gives me the X includes?  I did teh build essentials but still missing stuff to compile
[08:58] <ziza> arrinmurr: thanks for your reply. I understand that this phenomenon isn't new. I've been using KDE and Linux for 5 Months or so
[08:58] <cberthe> snapy: just need to know if it's the enclosure interface box or dwd-writer itself that died ... and also tried cable and an other cd/dvd hardware in the box
[08:58] <ziza> so i've seen this behaviour in versions earlier than 3.5 too
[09:01] <Wolf[1] > GOD!
[09:01] <cberthe> snapy: thanks you for your help debugging my dvd-writer :-)
[09:01] <ziza> I actually consider this to be a considerable usability shortcomming, and I don't understand why this still hasn't been fixed.
[09:01] <Wolf[1] > I tried the, dapper 2 cd and that didnt work.
[09:03] <snapy> cberthe: you are welcome ;-).  good luck in the future
[09:03] <jpatrick> Wolf[1] : try number 3
[09:04] <cberthe> snapy: thanks, need to go for some sleep, i wake up early tommorow ;-) bye !
[09:05] <Wolf[1] > I have.
[09:05] <Wolf[1] > They don't read it.
[09:05] <Wolf[1] > Breezy installs fine, but Dapper 'can't read from the CD drive'
[09:05] <frank23> Should I expect any problems with kde 3.5.1? I am still using 3.4.3
[09:05] <rich0rd> no problem over here
[09:06] <frank23> rich0rd: are there any useful new features?
[09:07] <rich0rd> hmn - i did not read the version history
[09:07] <rich0rd> try http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.1.php
[09:07] <frank23> ok thanks
[09:07] <rich0rd> Wolf[1] : you could upgrade from Breezy to Dapper
[09:08] <rich0rd> i don't know if is recommended
[09:08] <Wolf[1] > I know it isn't, that broke my harddrive, the kernel wouldn't pick up on it.
[09:09] <Wolf[1] > Hence, the reason for me wanting the CD to work.
[09:09] <rich0rd> i did it for fun and it worked like a charm
[09:09] <DxOffEagle> frank23: I didn't see any stream of bad bug reports on 3.5.1's release. Often there are 1 or 2 "why didn't you folks tell us this 2 weeks ago!!!??" bugs reported in 10+ copies the day after a release
[09:10] <rich0rd> "KDE 3.5.1 is a maintenance release"
[09:10] <frank23> DxOffEagle: what do you mean? bugs reported in 10+ copies the day after a release
[09:11] <frank23> I don't understand what you said
[09:11] <DxOffEagle> frank23: well, here is an example: in 3.0(?), a bit after the release, someone did a bugfix to fix a really minor bug in bookmarks toolbar in right-to-left desktops
[09:12] <ClayG> anyone know a good lightweight web browser that supports https?
[09:12] <DxOffEagle> frank23: unfortunately, that activated a latent bug. The net results is that people who had two bookmarks pointing to the same webpage would get lots of crashes
[09:12] <DxOffEagle> frank23: the day after release, tons of people reported it.
[09:13] <frank23> DxOffEagle: you mean minor releases can still introduce bad bugs...
[09:13] <DxOffEagle> frank23: and why wasn't it caught before? well, 3.0 was held up due to a security audit, so most people's main installs were 3.1 work branch, and 3.0 was usually tested in ... separate user accounts
[09:13] <DxOffEagle> frank23: and test accounts generally don't have bookmarks, period.
[09:14] <DxOffEagle> frank23: I mean that bugfixes can introduce other bugs, which go undiscovered until the day after release.
[09:14] <DxOffEagle> frank23: at which point you normally go "oh boy"
[09:15] <frank23> DxOffEagle: And wake up in the boday of a woman?
[09:16] <frank23> DxOffEagle: That was a bad Quantum Leap joke. ;-)
[09:17] <melonipoika> hi all, any finnish guy here? i have problems configuring my adsl with sonera, and i need help :D
[09:18] <arrinmurr> !fi
[09:18] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu Ubuntusta kanavalla #ubuntu-fi
[09:19] <melonipoika> kiitos
[09:19] <arrinmurr> olla hyv ;)
[09:20] <mcsteels> auturge: Hi back again.... kinda sorted out problem with repo.... had to go to uk.archive.ubuntu.com etc and copy and paste the destinations to where the repo was pointing to.... very strange, altho it keeps coming and goin
[09:20] <mcsteels> #ubuntu
[09:24] <`Nomad> Anyone please? The package name for X Includes.. :(
[09:25] <`Nomad> !build-essentials
[09:25] <ubotu> I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad
[09:25] <`Nomad> !build-essential
[09:25] <ubotu> build-essential is probably a meta package for software building see !gcc for more info
[09:25] <`Nomad> !gcc
[09:25] <ubotu> methinks gcc is the GNU project C and C++ compiler.  From the command-line, type "man gcc" for a complete manual on gcc.  You can install gcc with 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[09:25] <thisisadeal> these absolutely have to go today.  2 alienware area51-m 5700 laptops $550 each includes shipping, case, wireless router and 1 alienware area51 7500 desktop $700 includes monitor, keyboard, mouse,. speakers.  message me if you wnat to buy any of these items at mcsltd@telusmail.net, aim at ogd443 or yahoo at mcsltd2 thanks and have a good day.
[09:25] <`Nomad> done that already
[09:26] <`Nomad> wish I had the cash
[09:29] <frank23> `Nomad: xlibs-dev ?
[09:34] <admrl> anyone downloaded the new 3.5.1
[09:35] <ubijtsa> lo folks...
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> 3.5.1 on dapper here, but I haven't updated my breezy partition yet.
[09:35] <admrl> is there a repo up yet..?
[09:36] <ubijtsa> kde 3.5.1, breezy, xkb... what's the story?
[09:36] <admrl> ya breezy
[09:37] <ccc_> admrl: www.kubuntu.org
[09:38] <admrl> ccc_: thanks
[09:39] <_john> Hi can someone here help me get my network share browsing working ?
[09:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ciao
[09:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> does it exist a way to decrease the size of all a bunch of picture at the same time?
[09:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have to send them by email and i don't want open picture by picture
[09:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> tnx andrea
[09:48] <visik7> anyone have issue with kfmshell fileshare module ?
[09:49] <n3wbie_> hey can someone help me out with getting samba share browsing working?
[09:49] <visik7> some support ?
[09:50] <n3wbie_> I guess so :)
[09:50] <visik7> no support :(
[09:50] <visik7> I pay for the support
[09:50] <visik7> :)
[09:50] <Phantom^^^> lol
[09:50] <visik7> if it's a good support
[09:55] <alex79> hello
[09:56] <alex79> I need help
[09:56] <alex79> I have disabled the eth0 and cannot enabled it again
[09:57] <_vge> you used the Kpanel for configure?
[10:01] <alex79> i try bot it didnt let me use it
[10:01] <alex79> its like su doesent work
[10:01] <Phantom^^^> Yeah there being pretty quiet :(
[10:02] <snapy> hi there, can anybody tell me if setting the default locale to iso-8859-1 will cause me some trouble?
[10:03] <snapy> alex79: have you tried "sudo -s"?
[10:03] <snapy> (then enter YOUR PASSWORD)
[10:04] <alex79> yeap
[10:04] <alex79> is wire
[10:04] <blahh> in bash, how do i test an argument to only contain letters ?
[10:04] <snapy> alex79??
[10:04] <alex79> yes
[10:04] <snapy> what do you mean by "is wire"?
[10:05] <alex79> snapy: i try it but it diidnt work also
[10:05] <snapy> ok
[10:05] <blahh> anyone pls help?
[10:05] <alex79> any other ideas?
[10:06] <ubijtsa> blahh: I am sure there are ways with 'test' to do that
[10:06] <alex79> also doesent let me activate the administrator mode
[10:06] <blahh> ok thanks
[10:06] <snapy> what do you mean by "administrator mode"? (which steps, are you trying to take?)
[10:07] <ubijtsa> blahh: or you can use perl ;)
[10:07] <alex79> one of the things that i try was
[10:07] <blahh> not familiar with perl
[10:07] <alex79> go to system configuration > netwok > Admiistrator Mode
[10:08] <snapy> alex79: ok, let me look
[10:08] <alex79> thanks
[10:09] <snapy> alex79: are you using the gnome network setup program?
[10:09] <alex79> nop
[10:09] <alex79> all KDE
[10:09] <alex79> its strange
[10:10] <alex79> becouse work at the first start and then when i reboot it stoped working
[10:10] <ubijtsa> perl -e '$a="abc123"; $a =~ /[a-z] +/i and print qq(string only contains letters);'
[10:10] <visik7> anyone use kde 3.5.1 ?
[10:10] <ubijtsa> visik7: I have tried today to..
[10:10] <snapy> alex79:  I have both gnome and kde installed and I don't find the kde program in the loooong option list :)
[10:10] <admrl> ** (process:29205): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:10] <ubijtsa> starting to regret it
[10:10] <admrl> anyone got that error
[10:10] <admrl> when upgrading to kde 3.5.1
[10:10] <visik7> ubijtsa: run kcmshell fileshare
[10:10] <snapy> alex79: but anyway...
[10:11] <visik7> admrl: sudo problems
[10:11] <ubijtsa> works for me
[10:11] <alex79> yes?
[10:11] <ubijtsa> have you nfs and/or samba installed?
[10:11] <snapy> alex79: so when you launch /sbin/ifconfig you don't see the eth0, do you? (just to diagnosticate first)
[10:12] <alex79> let me try this
[10:12] <alex79> i have the computer right next to me is a laptop
[10:12] <alex79> what exactily do i have to type in th konsole?
[10:12] <snapy> alex79:  try "/sbin/ifconfig -a"
[10:13] <alex79> shows the network interfaces
[10:13] <alex79> but whitout any ip adderess
[10:13] <snapy> and what about just "/sbin/ifconfig" (with no -a)=
[10:13] <alex79> i use static ip address
[10:14] <snapy> will get to IP addresses later :)
[10:14] <alex79> it only show the first device
[10:14] <snapy> eth0?
[10:14] <duckdown> Hey all.. I just did a fresh install and I have a new Atheros Mini-PCI card.. Where do I look to get this working?
[10:14] <alex79> yes
[10:14] <alex79> eth0
[10:14] <snapy> ok so we have the device :)
[10:14] <alex79> great
[10:15] <snapy> how have you configured the IP address, through the graphic program in the KDE menu?
[10:15] <alex79> i try sudo ifup eth0
[10:15] <alex79> it says this
[10:15] <alex79> too few parameters
[10:16] <alex79> line 26 file interfaces
[10:16] <snapy> ok, so you may have a syntax error there  (guess)
[10:16] <alex79> ok
[10:17] <alex79> for the ip I didit with the KDE control panel
[10:17] <alex79> accesing via administrator mode
[10:17] <snapy> ok let me check this here...
[10:17] <alex79> ok
[10:17] <alex79> but now it doesent let me doit it says SU ERROR
[10:19] <snapy> can you at least enter a password value?
[10:19] <alex79> yes
[10:19] <alex79> but its says error
[10:20] <snapy> try to log yourself in a text tty console with your usual password
[10:20] <alex79> what is a tty text?
[10:20] <snapy> ok :)
[10:21] <snapy> usually xwindow runs in tty7
[10:22] <snapy> to change from tty you need to press Ctrl-Alt-F1 (tty1) Ctrl-Alt-F2 (tty2)... to come back alt-f7 should suffice (although ctrl-alt-f7 should work ok)
[10:22] <snapy> make sure you understand before trying
[10:23] <alex79> ok
[10:23] <snapy> so try and come back with alt-f7
[10:25] <alex79> i comment the line 26 ("iface wlan0 inet") of my interfaces file and then try sudo ifup eth0 and it works
[10:25] <alex79> but I am going to restar the machine
[10:26] <alex79> please give 5 more minutes
[10:26] <snapy> hold on a minute
[10:26] <alex79> ok
[10:26] <snapy> I think I see the error
[10:27] <snapy> that wlan0 interface line should end in "dhcp" or "static"
[10:27] <alex79> ok, i will write this now
[10:27] <alex79> i am log in again
[10:28] <snapy> try dhcp (so you don't have to give any more data)
[10:28] <alex79> ok
[10:29] <alex79> what this line means "auto eth0" in interfaces?
[10:29] <alex79> comment or uncomment?
[10:29] <snapy> no leave it
[10:29] <snapy> it means that at startup only eth0 will be activated
[10:30] <alex79> but now is commented
[10:30] <alex79> maybe that is why it diidnt start at boot?
[10:30] <snapy> yes
[10:30] <snapy> this means that you have to activate it manually
[10:30] <alex79> can i ask you one more question?
[10:30] <duckdown> Hi everyone... I'm having problems compiling the new madwifi :(  I'm a novice user using kubuntu-stable.  I have the appropriate linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages and such, and I just got the new madwifi-ng code through svn.  I ran the two scripts in ./scripts, but during the 'make' im getting compiling errors!  The output is at: http://pastebin.ca/39528
[10:30] <snapy> yeap
[10:31] <alex79> sorry
[10:31] <alex79> i have this line commented leave it there?
[10:31] <_localhost> hey, anyone using kftpgrabber?
[10:31] <snapy> alex79: the one with auto eth0?
[10:31] <alex79> yes
[10:32] <snapy> no leave it UN-commented :)
[10:32] <alex79> ok
[10:32] <alex79> the other thing
[10:32] <snapy> go on :)
[10:32] <alex79> when i try to use the administrator mode it says SU ERROR
[10:32] <alex79> how do i know that SU is working
[10:32] <snapy> yeap, interesting :)
[10:32] <alex79> ?
[10:33] <snapy> you need to use su in lowercase of course
[10:33] <sampan> alex79  that was a bug in the initial kubuntu release.  if you update your system, it will be fixed (the bugfix was released less than a week after breezy debuted)
[10:34] <sampan> not everyone gets bitten by that bug, but lots of people have (i was one)
[10:34] <alex79> ok, so you recomend to do a full upgrade now?
[10:34] <snapy> alex79: I recommend that you first understand what is going on.
[10:34] <alex79> jaja
[10:34] <alex79> thanks
[10:35] <alex79> that will take a long time
[10:35] <snapy> sampan:  I am new in kubuntu, but can you point at the specific bug report?, do you know which package was affected? sudo package?
[10:36] <snapy> alex79: updating a package is easy anyway and almost always harmless
[10:36] <sampan> snapy, i'm not sure about the bug report either. and the packages that fixed it were core kde ones.  i didn't take note of which ones specifically though.
[10:36] <snapy> sampan: ok
[10:37] <sampan> but i know we've seen this admin mode bug in here an awful lot and in all cases updating the core kde packages in adept-updater has fixed it.
[10:37] <Knowerrors> how do you change your nick, like alias it?
[10:37] <fireport> hi
[10:37] <sampan> knowerrors  /nick new-nick-here
[10:37] <Knowerrors> thx
[10:37] <sampan> sure :)
[10:37] <snapy> sampan:  I am not denying it, I just would like to know more
[10:38] <`Nomad> !everquest
[10:38] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad
[10:38] <sampan> snapy, gotcha.  i was mainly just explaining why i don't know the specific bugreport and package names anyway
[10:38] <sampan> <-- making excuses for myself
[10:38] <sampan> ;X
[10:39] <snapy> I just wonder if I would be affected by this bug as well
[10:39] <snapy> if I have downloaded the ISO from kubuntu.org in november, should this bug already be fixed in the .iso?
[10:40] <sampan> if you haven't updated and you're experiencing weird su failures or administrator mode not functioning, then yes you'd be affected.  the .iso hasn't changed, so all .iso's have the bug (but it doesn't seem to affect every system)
[10:41] <snapy> now I recall that I installed Ubuntu (with gnome) and later I installed kubuntu-desktop from the web archives, so I guess I would not be affected (I am not experiencing anything abnormal)
[10:41] <snapy> ok, so, so good for me :)
[10:41] <snapy> alex79:  before doing the upgrade just check that sudo works in the X konsole
[10:42] <alex79> snapy: su is not working I cant do the update?
[10:42] <sampan> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681#c59  <--- i think that's the bugreport
[10:42] <snapy> ok sampan, I going to do look it fast, alex79, i'll be back in a minute
[10:42] <sampan> alex79  you -can- do the update, but probably easiest to do from cli (the bug only affected gui stuff i think)
[10:44] <alex79> how do i do the update whit the konsole
[10:44] <snapy> alex79: ok, so let's try to do it
[10:44] <alex79> yes
[10:45] <snapy> if you managed to change the /etc/networks file, this means that you arrived to be root, didn't you?
[10:45] <alex79> yes
[10:45] <snapy> did you do it in the tty?
[10:46] <alex79> no
[10:46] <alex79> directly in the konsole
[10:46] <snapy> ok
[10:46] <alex79> i did SU then password the NANO to the file interfaces
[10:47] <snapy> I guess that you can do the same thing for this, but I have a tendency to do these big updates from the tty or better from a remote computer logged in ssh
[10:47] <snapy> the reason is that I don't want to run a KDE program when KDE itself is updating
[10:48] <alex79> ok
[10:48] <snapy> but I don't know if my fears are correct (because with that rule we could not be able to upgrade libc6 and other basic software neither)
[10:48] <sampan> it'll go fine doing it from konsole (that's how i and a lot of others did it).  he'll just have to restart kde for the changes to take effect.
[10:48] <snapy> ok, thanks sampan
[10:49] <snapy> then all you have to do alex79 is 2 commands
[10:49] <alex79> wht do i have to ipe in the konsole?
[10:49] <snapy> apt-get update (to update the index of the packages)
[10:49] <snapy> and apt-get upgrade
[10:50] <snapy> although you may have to specify web repositories
[10:50] <snapy> try the commands before
[10:51] <alex79> it says to type apt-get -f install
[10:51] <sampan> iirc, adept-updater works too
[10:51] <snapy> this means that you have some previous half-installed packages
[10:51] <snapy> I would remain in the command line for this (because I personally feel safer there)
[10:52] <snapy> run apt-get -f install (it may still not work but it will tell you which packages are not fully installed)
[10:52] <grxmrx> is it possible to install firefox 1.5 from debian unstable in kubuntu?
[10:52] <alex79> i did and start working with some download
[10:53] <snapy> ok normal
[10:53] <snapy> grxmrx: look for automatix in google
[10:53] <grxmrx> snapy: ok
[10:54] <snapy> alex79:  just for curiosity what packages are being downloaded?
[10:57] <duckdown> Hey all.. I need a utility called 'wlanconfig' according to the madwifi howto, but I dont have it
[10:58] <frank23> grxmrx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[10:59] <grxmrx> snapy: hmm, it seems there are no packages for ppc, there are x86 and amd64 only
[10:59] <snapy> grxmrx: sorry I fear I cannot help you further
[11:00] <alex79> dont know is going to fast
[11:00] <snapy> what connection type do you have?
[11:00] <alex79> T1
[11:01] <snapy> and what download speed is it giving you?
[11:02] <Wolf[1] > Why doesn't dapper install from CD?
[11:02] <Wolf[1] > I've tried Flight 2, and Flight 3/
[11:02] <duckdown> Wolf[1]  exactly
[11:02] <duckdown> its a piece of total crap
[11:02] <duckdown> worst install cd ever
[11:03] <duckdown> Wolf[1]   let me guess, no suitable kernel found in your APT sources, right? a bright red screen?
[11:03] <Wolf[1] > Huh? It has a red box, saying that it can't load components from the CD.
[11:03] <duckdown> yeah
[11:03] <duckdown> they screwed it up bigtime
[11:04] <snapy> alex79: hail me (just write "snapy" in the line)  when you have some news.  I am putting IRC n the background
[11:05] <_casey> anyone know where i can find a cdrdao.deb package
[11:05] <scp2004> hi
[11:05] <Wolf[1] > duckdown, is it fixable..?
[11:09] <alvaro> Hello!
[11:09] <_casey> hi
[11:10] <alvaro> I have a Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX in Kubuntu 6.10 , how do I install nvidia drivers?
[11:10] <Wolf[1] > Some are installed by default.
[11:10] <alvaro> hm
[11:10] <_casey> i'm new to linux so...
[11:10] <Wolf[1] > Hold on.
[11:10] <alvaro> Mine didn't
[11:10] <Beda> i don't know how to install nvidia drivers
[11:11] <Wolf[1] > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074
[11:11] <Wolf[1] > That tells you how, alvaro, you should probably go with Method 2.
[11:11] <alvaro> hm
[11:11] <Wolf[1] > Beda, what card do you have?
[11:11] <alvaro> thanks
[11:11] <alvaro> ^
[11:11] <Wolf[1] > I have an old GeForce 5200.
[11:11] <Beda> none
[11:11] <Beda> hehehehehe
[11:11] <Wolf[1] > Lol.
[11:11] <Beda> onboard
[11:11] <Wolf[1] > Onboard NVidia?
[11:11] <alvaro> hmmm Wolf[1] 
[11:12] <alvaro> i THINK I was trying method 2
[11:12] <alvaro> I downloaded that driver
[11:12] <alvaro> and installed gcc
[11:12] <Beda> sis
[11:12] <alvaro> and gcc3.4
[11:12] <Wolf[1] > Install build essential.
[11:12] <alvaro> yep
[11:12] <alvaro> also
[11:12] <alvaro> but It says something...
[11:12] <alvaro> like it was using gcc4.0
[11:12] <alvaro> and my kernel was compiled with gcc3.4
[11:12] <Wolf[1] > Method 1 will work just as good.
[11:12] <alvaro> and it couldn't be compiled
[11:13] <Wolf[1] > I used method 1, but it doesn't give you the latest drivers.
[11:13] <alvaro> hmm
[11:13] <alvaro> I have amd64
[11:13] <alvaro> will it work?+
[11:13] <Wolf[1] > I have no idea.
[11:14] <Wolf[1] > I'm not a 'ubuntu expert', I can't get dapper to read my CD drive...soo, it might.
[11:14] <alvaro> I'm on breezy
[11:14] <Wolf[1] > I am too. But, dapper has messed my setup so many times, its not even funny.
[11:15] <alvaro> hmm
[11:15] <alvaro> yes
[11:15] <alvaro> I installed yesterday
[11:15] <Wolf[1] > Ask, hatake_kakashi
[11:15] <alvaro> and the last thing :P
[11:15] <alvaro> which one is better
[11:15] <alvaro> linux-amd64-generic
[11:15] <alvaro> or -k8
[11:15] <alvaro> ?
[11:16] <Wolf[1] > Uhmmm....lol.
[11:16] <Wolf[1] > I don't know.
[11:16] <hatake_kakashi> !build
[11:16] <ubotu> If you want to build software, you need the build-essential package to start with
[11:16] <Wolf[1] > Well, I am off to get dapper working.
[11:16] <Wolf[1] > :D
[11:16] <hatake_kakashi> eh?
[11:16] <Wolf[1] > The CD doesn't work.
[11:17] <hatake_kakashi> ahh that
[11:17] <Wolf[1] > Is there a fix/
[11:17] <hatake_kakashi> lol, I personally never messed with dapper myself yet, I am still trying to fix up the problem between hoary -> breezy after update
[11:17] <alvaro> one more question, how do I know if I have 3d aceleration?
[11:17] <hatake_kakashi> alvaro: check your xorg configuration
[11:17] <alvaro> I haven't used linux for 3 months :'(
[11:18] <alvaro> yes
[11:18] <alvaro> but something
[11:18] <alvaro> glxinfo | grep..
[11:18] <alvaro> or something like that
[11:18] <alvaro> I remember :p
[11:18] <hatake_kakashi> !glxinfo
[11:18] <ubotu> hatake_kakashi: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:18] <hatake_kakashi> !glx
[11:18] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, hatake_kakashi
[11:18] <alvaro> Hmm I have to reboot
[11:19] <alvaro> thanks for the help Wolf[1]   and hatake_kakashi
[11:19] <alvaro> bye
[11:19] <_casey> im new to linux and cant get my cd burner to work
[11:19] <Wolf[1] > _casey, why not?
[11:19] <_casey> wolf[1]  its says i am missing cdrdao
[11:20] <_casey> i cant find it on kynaptic
[11:20] <Wolf[1] > Breezy?
[11:20] <_casey> no
[11:20] <_casey> 5.04
[11:20] <_casey> hoary
[11:21] <kernel_i386> hey
[11:21] <Wolf[1] > _casey, I'm not really sure.
[11:21] <kernel_i386> which font do you use in your kubuntu?
[11:21] <Wolf[1] > Have you tried Ubuntuforums.org?
[11:21] <hatake_kakashi> _casey: did you consult with the program manual for the reason why it would not work?
[11:21] <ccc_> _casey: enable universe and install cdrdao
[11:21] <_casey> whats universe?
[11:22] <bimberi> !universe
[11:22] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:22] <_casey> ive been using linux all of 6 days you are going to have to explain things like you would to a child
[11:22] <bimberi> !components
[11:22] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[11:23] <bimberi> _casey: there you go :)
[11:23] <_casey> thanks
[11:23] <hatake_kakashi> bimberi: btw _casey is on hoary
[11:24] <owner> OS/Kernel      Linux 2.6.14-archck7 i686 [  ] 
[11:24] <owner> CPU Info       (1) Intel Pentium 4 clocked at [ 3001.209 MHz ] 
[11:24] <owner>                (2) Intel Pentium 4 clocked at [ 3001.209 MHz ] 
[11:24] <owner> Videocard      ATI RV410 [Radeon X700 Pro (PCIE)]   X.Org 6.8.2  [ 1280x1024 @60hz ] 
[11:24] <owner> Network cards  Intel 82562ET/EZ/GT/GZ - PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller, at port: 1000
[11:24] <owner> Processes 113 | Uptime 13:06 | Memory 488.242/502.809MB | HDD ATA WDC WD2500JD-22H,Generic USB SD Reader,Generic USB CF Reader,Generic USB SM Reader,Generic USB MS Reader Size 435GB (25%used) | GLX Renderer RADEON X700 PRO Generic | GLX Version 2.0.5582 (8.21.7) | Client X-Chat 2.6.0 | Infobash v2.50rc10
[11:24] <bimberi> hatake_kakashi: k
[11:24] <owner> infobash get it from http://rebelhomicide.demon.nl/scripts/#infobash
[11:25] <hatake_kakashi> owner: nice bit of spam there :p
[11:25] <owner> lol
[11:30] <dsaa> am sorry for myself guys but ill be useful in the barrios now than in makati if this is the case...ill be seing an innocent Mark...other than Mark Shuttleworth..gtg...SAYANG
 ill be prolifirating EDUBUNTU in the barrios rather than going in Makati wondering why were not invited as ubuntu team-ph member.
[11:34] <kernel_i386> hey owner thanks for your help one or two days ago :) worked for me (think my nick was localhost)
[11:34] <owner> np
[11:34] <owner> what was your problem btw
[11:35] <starhawk> hi
[11:38] <kernel_i386> owner:  I accidently deinstalled too much (gcc and stuff) ...and all the other programs that were depending on this
[11:38] <kernel_i386> so.. my "start menu" was almost "empty" hehehe
[11:38] <owner> oh yes
[11:38] <owner> uninstalled apt
[11:38] <owner> lol
[11:38] <kernel_i386> hehehe
[11:39] <kernel_i386> a friend helped me over ssh ..
[11:39] <kernel_i386> with your tipp ...
[11:39] <owner> good idea
[11:39] <kernel_i386> yea.. since I am a super noob
[11:41] <snapy> I need to get some sleep, bye to all
[11:45] <kernel_i386> is it possible to enable "ctrl+c" copy in console?
[11:46] <owner> try middle mouse button click
[11:47] <hatake_kakashi> kernel_i386: Ctrl+C is binded for terminating applications
[11:47] <hatake_kakashi> typically
[11:47] <kernel_i386> yeah.. just thought about that
[11:48] <kernel_i386> eventhough I hate "clicking" with my mouse all the time to copy&paste
[11:50] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[11:53] <hatake_kakashi> bah.. I don't understand this whole kubuntu thing.. the kernels are compiled with gcc3.4.5 (prerelease) and yet its not in the repos, the kernel-source kubuntu patched requires gcc-3.4 even though I have checked for gcc version..
[11:53] <visik7> kubuntu kde 3.5.x packages are uninstallable after perl update from security 'couse kdenetwork-filesharing depends on perl-suid that depends on perl (= 5.8.7-5ubuntu1) but 5.8.7-5ubuntu1.2 is to be installed and Depends: libperl5.8 (= 5.8.7-5ubuntu1) but 5.8.7-5ubuntu1.2 is to be installed
[11:53] <visik7> practically perl-suid is broken
[11:53] <hatake_kakashi> and gcc-4.0.1 is to compile i486 bins? sheesh
[11:54] <visik7> e' meglio etch a sto punto
[11:54] <Taleas> Hiya, macd.
[11:54] <visik7> sono allibito
[11:55] <visik7> sorry
[11:55] <visik7> wrong channel
[11:55] <Taleas> We figured.
[11:58] <macd> Hiya
[11:59] <eightiesk> !flash
[11:59] <ubotu> restricted is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:59] <visik7> perl-suid is broken
[12:00] <visik7> fix it please!!!