[12:07] <zyga> yes
[12:12] <Amaranth> jdub shaved his head?
[12:12] <\sh> yepp
[12:13] <\sh> he looks so...german...now ;)
[12:13] <Amaranth> picture?
[12:16] <\sh> they were on p.d.o.
[12:20] <kent> \sh: whats the url for p.d.o?  I read p.g.o, p.u.o  but I have not heard of p.d.o  :)
[12:21] <kent> sorry, that should be p.u.c  i think. (planet.ubuntu.com)
[12:21] <crimsun> delire: using snd-azx would suffice
[12:21] <azeem> I just checked, p.u.o works as well :)
[12:21] <azeem> kent: planet.debian.org
[12:22] <\sh> trying to grab the article again...
[12:22] <kent> azeem: planet.ubuntu.org?  ubuntu.org is not owned by ubuntu linux..  so I doubt it worked.
[12:23] <azeem> planet.ubuntulinux.org
[12:23] <azeem> it works, but p.u.c is preferred I guess
[12:25] <\sh> http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/photos/index.php?galerie=lca06
[12:25] <\sh> e.g.
[12:26] <\sh> ah here are the right ones :)
[12:26] <\sh> http://www.vergenet.net/~horms/gallery/lca2006/
[12:28] <\sh> going to bed
[12:33] <Slant_Mobile> Can anyone help me out with testing a HAL crasher?
[12:33] <Slant_Mobile> http://tara.shadowpimps.net/~scott/halwatch.py is a test script. Take a look at it and let me know if it works for you.
[12:34] <Amaranth> heh, he put a hat on after they were done
[12:37] <zyga> Amaranth: what did you want, I'm planning on going to bed soon
[12:37] <Amaranth> zyga: hang on, let me find the bug number
[12:38] <zyga> Amaranth: k
[12:39] <Amaranth> what do you think of http://librarian.launchpad.net/1518749/mokcup%3A%20alacarte%20dialog%20style.png
[12:40] <Amaranth> basically the guy wants to turn it into a capplet
[12:40] <zyga> Amaranth: not that bad yet but could run into trouble soon
[12:41] <zyga> Amaranth: lack of space for new buttons
[12:41] <zyga> Amaranth: anyway -- isn't that SMEG's layout exactly?
[12:41] <Amaranth> no
[12:41] <zyga> hmm maybe I got it confused
[12:41] <Slant_Mobile> zyga: Why have the move-up and move-down buttons? The items should be draggable if that's important.
[12:41] <zyga> but I'm sure I already saw buttons on the right of the treeview
[12:41] <Amaranth> i'm thinking drop the edit/delete/revert buttons
[12:42] <Amaranth> and move up/down
[12:42] <zyga> Slant_Mobile: for explicitness, both should be there IMHO
[12:42] <Amaranth> they are draggable
[12:42] <crimsun> how does that affect a11y?
[12:42] <zyga> Amaranth: a menu makes more sense 
[12:42] <Amaranth> zyga: yeah
[12:42] <zyga> Amaranth: I got confused when I noticed right-click has a hidden delete option
[12:42] <Slant_Mobile> zyga: That seems too explicit. Nothing else I can think of uses it.
[12:43] <Slant_Mobile> Hey, whatever. ;-)
[12:43] <Amaranth> Slant_Mobile: calum (gnome usability guy) says his idea of a menu editor has those buttons :)
[12:43] <Amaranth> zyga: yeah, you can only delete it if you made it
[12:44] <Amaranth> zyga: I'm thinking instead of greying it out i should replace it with Hide/Unhide
[12:44] <Amaranth> but then ones you can delete wouldn't have that option in the popup...
[12:45] <zyga> Amaranth: graying is good
[12:45] <Amaranth> zyga: oh, i thought you meant that confused you
[12:45] <zyga> Amaranth: I didn't know of right-clickability of the treeview
[12:45] <Amaranth> ah
[12:46] <Amaranth> well, all of those things are available elsewhere :)
[12:46] <zyga> I always expect menu entry + right click :-)
[12:46] <Amaranth> ?
[12:47] <zyga> Amaranth: menu should be discoverable
[12:47] <zyga> Amaranth: the user has no way of knowing that particular component has a context menu
[12:47] <zyga> Amaranth: advanced users might
[12:47] <zyga> but anyway all actions should be available via the menu
[12:47] <Amaranth> how would i make that more obvious?
[12:48] <Amaranth> they are all available via the menu
[12:48] <Amaranth> ugh
[12:48] <zyga> Amaranth: I'm not sure really
[12:48] <zyga> DARN, xchat quits on ctrl+d
[12:48] <Amaranth> they are all available via the menu
[12:49] <Amaranth> so it's not an issue
[12:49] <zyga> oh?
[12:49] <Amaranth> just a power-user feature
[12:49] <zyga> Amaranth: right! sorry 
[12:49] <Amaranth> iirc it's actually the same popup widget
[12:49] <zyga> I agree
[12:49] <Amaranth> heh
[12:50] <Amaranth> the guy also complained about "Run in terminal" being next to the icon button
[12:50] <zyga> hmm ...
[12:50] <Amaranth> i layed it out the exact same way the panel launcher did
[12:50] <zyga> there are bigger issues
[12:50] <zyga> but if someone feels that A is better than B then be it
[12:50] <Amaranth> being consistent is better than being correct :)
[12:52] <zyga> that's it ... xchat goes to it's own desktop...
[12:52] <Amaranth> to be honest i'm not too concerned with the UI anymore
[12:52] <Amaranth> it's better than http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor.png so i'm happy :)
[12:53] <zyga> it certainly is :-)
[12:53] <zyga> did you write if from scratch?
[12:53] <zyga> just curious
[12:54] <Amaranth> more or less
[12:54] <Amaranth> i think as of 0.3 i was using pyxdg
[12:54] <Amaranth> and more and more of what i needed what migrating/getting added to pyxdg
[12:55] <Amaranth> err, was migrating
[12:55] <Amaranth> so now i'm a fancy GUI on top of a complex library :)
[12:55] <zyga> I patched a part of pyxdg :-))
[12:56] <Amaranth> oh?
[12:57] <Amaranth> btw, it also looks better than http://markus.wernig.net/en/it/Screenshot.png so i'm doing ok :)
[12:58] <zyga> Amaranth: i18n related, gettext support for .desktop :-)
[12:58] <Amaranth> oh yeah, that
[12:58] <zyga> argh
[12:58] <Amaranth> did you email upstream about it?
[12:59] <zyga> eyes hurt with kde theme
[12:59] <zyga> Amaranth: I'm sure upstream noticed it here but I'll add that to my TODO
[12:59] <Amaranth> i haven't had any contact with him in quite a while
[12:59] <Amaranth> i think pyxdg might be maintainerless
[12:59] <zyga> hmm
[12:59] <zyga> that's bad
[12:59] <Amaranth> yeah, i'm looking into taking over
[12:59] <zyga> I might pick it up if that's the case
[12:59] <zyga> oh :)
[12:59] <Amaranth> hehe
[12:59] <zyga> I re-wrote bits and pieces
[01:00] <Amaranth> i wrote a decent bit of the MenuEditor class, indirectly
[01:00] <zyga> most .desktop parsing is written from scratch
[01:00] <zyga> :-)
[01:00] <Amaranth> basically i'd write something, he'd rewrite it
[01:00] <zyga> we have to talk about this soon :>
[01:00] <Amaranth> you rewrote the .desktop parser?
[01:00] <zyga> yes
[01:00] <zyga> and some other things, I don't remember anymore
[01:00] <Amaranth> why?
[01:01] <zyga> the code I saw was so so ugly I had to do it
[01:01] <Amaranth> does it do evals anymore?
[01:01] <zyga> ?
[01:01] <zyga> evals?
[01:01] <Amaranth> maybe that wasn't that part
[01:01] <Amaranth> eval(), exec, whatever
[01:01] <zyga> all the crappy validators all over 
[01:01] <zyga> no 
[01:01] <zyga> :-)
[01:01] <trulux> hmm, I'm testing the psc 1315 with hplip in dapper and seems like it won't work
[01:02] <trulux> some conflict between cupsys and hplip
[01:02] <Amaranth> zyga: if you become maintainer you'll have me as a user
[01:02] <zyga> Amaranth: and mvo 
[01:02] <trulux> brb, rebppt
[01:02] <trulux> reboot even
[01:02] <zyga> Amaranth: I've found that bit 
[01:02] <Amaranth> zyga: basically with lanius i got what i asked for instantly, i have high expectations :)
[01:02] <zyga> my code is like 100x easier to use than the old part :-)
[01:03] <Amaranth> zyga: i think one of my requests is what broke gnome-app-install ;)
[01:03] <zyga> what was that request? :)
[01:03] <Amaranth> i don't remember, but it caused an API change
[01:04] <Amaranth> i think i pointed out a problem with a part of the code that needed fixed and he completely changed it instead
[01:04] <zyga> ah
[01:04] <zyga> that's my approach
[01:04] <zyga> get it right first
[01:04] <zyga> maintain it later
[01:04] <zyga> http://ubuntu.suxx.pl/2006--1/for-specific-people/amaranth
[01:05] <Amaranth> zyga: is this in ubuntu's package right now?
[01:05] <zyga> I didn't finish the rest really
[01:05] <zyga> Amaranth: no
[01:06] <zyga> I was talking with mvo about doing something with it but later forgot about it
[01:06] <zyga> I need to update my TODO list
[01:06] <Amaranth> hey, while you're poking around in there, CVS has a utf-8 fix that i keep getting bug reports for, don't suppose you could apply it to the ubuntu package
[01:06] <zyga> Amaranth: I cannot do jack... I'm just a member
[01:06] <zyga> Amaranth: which cvs is that btw?
[01:06] <Amaranth> you can give it to seb128 and say "this works"
[01:07] <zyga> Amaranth: ping me about that tommorow with a bug report and you've got it
[01:19] <trulux> who was the one that got the PSC stuff working? I'm testing hplip but won't work, it conflicts with hpoj and cupsys
[01:19] <trulux> in fact, removing hplip it tries to remove other stuff as well: ubuntu-desktop
[01:27] <delire> crimsun: thanks
[01:34] <nekohayo> I noticed that the ekiga package misses to install a required dependency (libopal), where/who can I notify about this?
[01:35] <crimsun> please file a bug in malone
[01:45] <zyga> night everyone
[02:24] <Slant_Mobile> Can anyone help me out with testing a HAL crasher?
[02:24] <Slant_Mobile> http://tara.shadowpimps.net/~scott/halwatch.py is a test script. Take a look at it and let me know if it works for you.
[06:51] <sladen> blow me.  Made a uinput driver for the thinkpad and GNOME already recognises the UP/DOWN/MUTE codes and draws pretty pictures in the middle of the screen
[06:53] <Lathiat> sladen: yup :)
[09:06] <mantiena-baltix> hi all
[09:24] <maswan> hey guys, think you can poke IBM into supporting Ubuntu for their tape library stuff?
[09:25] <corey__> maswan, did you file a bug?
[09:25] <maswan> corey__: with ibm?
[09:25] <corey__> maswan, no, with Ubuntu
[09:26] <maswan> corey__: No, I didn't think that'd be a brokenness in ubuntu to file a bug about.
[09:26] <corey__> maswan, if a piece of hardware doesn't work in Ubuntu, it is a bug
[09:27] <maswan> corey__: I don't know if it doesn't work, but Ubuntu is not on the list of distributions that they have kernel modules for.
[09:27] <maswan> (kernel modules and other driver stuff)
[09:27] <torkel> corey__: may I quote you on that? :-)
[09:27] <corey__> torkel, yes, you can
[09:28] <maswan> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/devdrvr/Linux/ <- list of the drivers that currently exists
[09:28] <corey__> maswan, does it work ootb?
[09:28] <maswan> corey__: As I said, I haven't tried anything yet. We don't even have a non-AIX box on that fcal-switch that can talk with the drives (yet).
[09:29] <corey__> maswan, take a default install of ubuntu and try it with the hardware. If it doesn't work, file a bug
[09:29] <maswan> corey__: I was more fishing for the IBM stamp of approval this time.
[09:29] <corey__> torkel, the only way we are going to get good hardware support is if people stop assuming that things not working is normal and start filing bugs about it
[09:30] <sivang> maswan: why is this related to the AIX box?
[09:30] <corey__> then Canonical can go to the manufacturer, point to the bug report and say "Look, we have customers who want it"
[09:31] <maswan> corey__: What would you put the odds at a binary kernel module for suse's 2.6.5 or rhel 2.6.9 will work?
[09:31] <sivang> maswan: it would be good first to report abug against ubuntu re that, and you can in parallel poke IBM for that. seeing that there a community demand for something, can push things further.
[09:31] <corey__> maswan, I expect zero, but I am not a kernel guy
[09:32] <maswan> sivang: the AIX box is the only box that currently talks to the tape library. we'd like to put in a linux (Ubuntu) box with ability to talk to the tape drives too.
[09:32] <maswan> But yeah, I'll do that after we try it out.
[09:33] <torkel> corey__: I know and I agree with you.
[09:34] <Keybuk> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060131-6087.html
[09:35] <siretart> Keybuk: is pitti around you somewhere?
[09:35] <corey__> Keybuk, indeed. those that wag tongues will have those tongues wagging. On to NM. I hear good news for NM and madwifi (or just -ng?)
[09:35] <Keybuk> siretart: pitti will not be around today
[09:35] <siretart> Keybuk: but he is in london, is he?
[09:35] <Keybuk> siretart: indeed
[09:36] <Keybuk> corey__: it's certainly working for me; and I'm working on it
[09:36] <siretart> Keybuk: I'd like to fix bug #5387, I prepared this patch: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/1662
[09:36] <Ubugtu> malone bug 5387 in glibc "clock-applet: first day of week" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5387
[09:36] <sivang> Keybuk: wow
[09:36] <siretart> but since locales is a quite critical package, I'd like to get a green light first :)
[09:38] <siretart> Keybuk: jbailey perhaps around?
[09:39] <Keybuk> siretart: jbailey is around
[09:39] <sivang> maswan: this is a tape server box, or do you want to replace AIX with ubuntu ?
[09:41] <siretart> Keybuk: I read in the bugzilla log that he wanted to check something about gtk agreeing glibc. could you please ask him about status and if he was fine with this upload?
[09:43] <Keybuk> siretart: repeat
[09:43] <Treenaks> Any news on fixing X breakage this week?
[09:44] <Treenaks> (ati on mac mini/HP NW8240 are broken for me)
[09:45] <siretart> jbailey: I'd like to fix bug #5387, I prepared this patch: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/1662
[09:45] <Ubugtu> malone bug 5387 in glibc "clock-applet: first day of week" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5387
[09:46] <siretart> jbailey: do you or pitti plan any upload of langpack-locales anyway? are you d'accord with the patch?
[09:48] <Kinnison> Morning
[09:49] <dholbach> good morning!
[09:49] <ajmitch> morning dholbach 
[09:50] <Keybuk> jbailey: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060131-6087.html
[09:50] <jbailey> siretart: The new locales update apparently already has that update.
[09:52] <siretart> jbailey: new locales update? you mean that one that has not been uploaded yet or some upload in the past?
[09:53] <zwnj> where from i can find documentation about the LANGUAGE envvar, which ubuntu (debian?) uses?
[09:54] <Kamion> it's a GNU gettext thing
[09:54] <Kamion> the gettext(3) man page mentions it
[09:54] <zwnj> Kamion: but i haven't seen on fedora/redhat...
[09:54] <Kamion>        If  the  LANGUAGE  environment  variable  is  set to a nonempty
[09:54] <Kamion>        value, and the locale is not  the  "C"  locale,  the  value  of
[09:54] <Kamion>        LANGUAGE is assumed to contain a colon separated list of locale
[09:54] <Kamion>        names. The functions will attempt to look up a  translation  of
[09:54] <Kamion>        msgid  in each of the locales in turn. This is a GNU extension.
[09:54] <zwnj> Kamion: hum, lemme see.  thanks
[09:55] <Kamion> it's not a Debian extension
[09:55] <Kamion> (nor Ubuntu)
[10:00] <jbailey> siretart: The as yet inexistant one.  We have a set of updates that I haven't finished assembling yet.
[10:00] <siretart> jbailey: ok. allright, then
[10:00] <sladen> mjg59: please grab http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/upload/hotkey-setup_0.13ubuntu1-thinkpad-keys.debdiff
[10:01] <lifeless> mjg59: I mean as in 'my X1 is sporadically hanging on resume, and suspend to disk is still 100% dead'
[10:02] <mjg59> lifeless: Running what?
[10:02] <mjg59> And what do you mean by "100% dead"?
[10:04] <siretart> sladen: that patch would deprecate tpb :)
[10:04] <Lathiat> siretart: doesn't mention lcd brighteness tho
[10:04] <lifeless> mjg59: dapper latest
[10:05] <lifeless> mjg59: same symptoms as when I reported the bug a while back
[10:05] <mjg59> lifeless: Number?
[10:05] <lifeless> I try every week or so
[10:05] <mjg59> (I'm sorry, I've got about 2 billion bugs of "Suspend doesn't work" so it's hard to remember them all)
[10:06] <lifeless> mjg59: I don't know the number offhand - sorry. I'll see if I can find it
[10:06] <mjg59> sladen: Would be preferable if you didn't use uinput, but went directly to /dev/input/event(whatever is the first keyboard)
[10:06] <mjg59> sladen: See acpi_fakekey in the latest acpi-support
[10:06] <mjg59> That way it looks like it's coming directly from the keyboard, rather than a separate input device
[10:07] <mjg59> sladen: Also, do we /really/ want to send the volume keys? They act on something entirely different
[10:09] <sladen> mjg59: r30, r31, r40, r40e, r50e don't have a hardware-mixer.  And the setup seems to work better than I expected... try it
[10:09] <mjg59> sladen: Hm. Ok - will do in a moment
[10:09] <sladen> mjg59: ...better than expected on the thinkpad that I have that *does* have hardware mixer
[10:10] <mjg59> sladen: It would be nice if it could interface with the alsa mixer somehow...
[10:10] <sladen> mjg59: the slight thing that breaks is  hardware mute, then software unmute
[10:10] <mjg59> sladen: I'm not too sure that's "slight"
[10:10] <mjg59> sladen: How about only sending them in the case of it being a machine with no hardware mixer?
[10:10] <sladen> mjg59: no worse than the current situation;  but at least you get little on-screen boxes now
[10:11] <sladen> mjg59: the mute issue still occurs as they have hardware mute (but not hardware volume)
[10:11] <mjg59> Oh nngh.
[10:11] <mjg59> Bloody hardware.
[10:12] <sladen> mjg59: I've been using it for a few hours;  run it for a day, see what you think, and in the meantime I'll ponder the Ultimate Solution.
[10:13] <sladen> good point siretart;  mjg59: add  conflicts: tpb
[10:13] <mjg59> sladen: Ok. But please do add support for using the event device, rather than uinput
[10:15] <siretart> sladen: hmm. tpb offers aditional functionality, I think. can't your daemon please be packaged extra, so hotkey-setup and tpb are installable together?
[10:15] <hunger> My box does no longer shut down properly. The screen turns black, nothing else happens. How can I debug that?
[10:15] <siretart> sladen: I think of users who prefer tpb
[10:16] <StevenK> I actually prefer how the OSD stuff looks in Windows.
[10:16] <sladen> siretart: the 'extra' functionality belongs in the days before ACPI, and Ubuntu auto-hotkey support.
[10:16] <mjg59> siretart: Which extra functionality?
[10:17] <siretart> does sladen's daemon detect FN-Thinklight as well as brightness?
[10:17] <siretart> what about zoom? (fn-space)
[10:17] <sladen> siretart: they're done in hardware.  I'm looking at exposing them as HID events and hacking gnome-settings-daemon to show a dailogue
[10:18] <sladen> siretart: yes, that shows up as a normal keyboard keypress
[10:18] <Burgundavia> siretart, what does that zoom do with tpb? I have a Toshiba laptop with something similar
[10:18] <fabbione> morning guys
[10:18] <fabbione> slomo_: ping?
[10:18] <sladen> Burgundavia: in Windows, it changes the screen to 640x480
[10:18] <Burgundavia> sladen, and in Ubuntu?
[10:18] <siretart> Burgundavia: in windows, it zooms the screen. in tbp, you can install a trigger script of you choice
[10:18] <sladen> Burgundavia: whatever you set  KEY_PROG2  to do.  There's nothing better to map it to presently
[10:19] <Burgundavia> sladen, ah, so no default functionality
[10:19] <siretart> yes
[10:19] <sladen> Burgundavia: you're welcome to recommend something.
[10:20] <Burgundavia> sladen, I have struggled and completely failed to find anything useful for the key
[10:20] <jsgotangco> same here
[10:20] <Burgundavia> sladen, that fits within the concept as outlined by the icon and its use in Windows
[10:20] <sladen> Burgundavia: probably best to leave it to the user to remap
[10:20] <jsgotangco> not sure if its possible to even do it on the fly
[10:24] <mjg59> sladen: Ok, that seems to work better than I expected
[10:24] <mjg59> So convert it to bind to the keyboard event device and I'll upload it
[10:26] <sladen> mjg59: I'd prefer it to stay as a separate input device.  I want to be able to add an LED for the mute and possibly an ABS input for brightness.  If there is more than one keyboard in the system (eg a USB one) then it doesn't seem to make sense to me.
[10:26] <maswan> sivang: We want to store data to our tape library from the linux machine without having to run all the data through the AIX box for performance reasons. This can be done, since the tape drives have some support for this.
[10:27] <sivang> maswan: I see, interesting.
[10:27] <mjg59> sladen: We can reliably locate the first keyboard
[10:28] <mjg59> Given that the keys are actually /on/ it, it seems sensible to put it there
[10:28] <maswan> sivang: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/tips0118.html?Open
[10:29] <maswan> sivang: that basically explains it, how to store data with only having to talk to the main server for metadata, not the large data streams
[10:29] <sladen> mjg59: However, they come from a very separate bus topology.  (NVRAM poking) rather than a serio device
[10:29] <mjg59> sladen: So?
[10:29] <mjg59> It makes sense for keys on the keyboard to generate events corresponding to the keyboard device
[10:31] <mjg59> On the other hand, it does make it slightly awkward to add the LED thing
[10:32] <sladen> mjg59: I'll go and look at the acpi_fakekey, and think about the mute synching and see what I come up with
[10:33] <sladen> mjg59: if you can get that out and tested for the comments in the meantime it would be useful
[10:33] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, did you got my email (from mantas@akl.lt) ?
[10:33] <Kamion> mantiena-baltix: yes, and for pity's sake stop hassling me about it
[10:35] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, ok, if you are busy I think someone other here could know how to set value of debconf template with python ;)
[10:36] <dholbach> mantiena-baltix: Write to a mailing list.
[10:37] <Kamion> mantiena-baltix: you could always try reading the code for other examples
[10:37] <Kamion> but perhaps that's too difficult
[10:37] <Kamion> I mean it's not like there are a bunch of examples scattered throughout espresso
[10:37] <Kamion> and good documentation of the debconf protocol in debconf-devel(7)
[10:38] <Kamion> I really don't appreciate being harassed every morning because you need me to walk you through things; I've been ill and continue to be busy, and really don't have time
[10:40] <Kamion> mantiena-baltix: if you'd just left me alone, I would have answered the e-mail in reasonable time
[10:40] <Kamion> but I won't reward you hassling me like this
[10:47] <geneo93> anyone around
[10:48] <hunger> geneo93: Yes... they were a couple of minutes ago.
[10:48] <geneo93> well i was just about to tell them about nvidia patch for the new kernel
[10:49] <geneo93> oh well
[10:49] <hunger> geneo93: Write a wishlist bug:-)
[10:49] <geneo93> na no time have to move on
[10:50] <hunger> geneo93: Things said on IRC tend to get forgotten as soon as they scroll out of the screen.
[10:50] <geneo93> they'll figure it out soon same with alsa
[10:50] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, I just asked if you got my email, I don't think it's hassling
[10:51] <geneo93> sounds lile old linux chat now
[10:51] <geneo93> bitchy
[10:52] <jsgotangco> mantiena-baltix, let's not add further friction to this...
[10:52] <mantiena-baltix> ;)
[11:39] <mjg59> sladen: Any reason you aren't sending KEY_BRIGHTNESSDOWN and KEY_BRIGHTNESSUP?
[11:39] <mjg59> Or is it because you want to send the absolute value?
[11:42] <sladen> mjg59: they're in hardware (and yes, absolute value)  I suppose I could send them and see what happens...
[11:43] <sladen> mjg59: hmmm/mmm.  Brightness Up sends an ACPI HKEY.  Brightness Down, doesn't.
[11:44] <mjg59> Heh.
[11:44] <mjg59> We can ignore the ACPI events, I think
[11:44] <sladen> mjg59: it would be good to have a HUD daemon that *displays* events, but doesn't do anything with them
[11:45] <sladen> Head Up Display
[12:04] <sladen> mmm, funky.  Fn-PgUp now goes to the screensaver...
[12:05] <sladen> mjg59: I think g-s-d only listens for Brightness when it's compiled on a Mac and then fiddles with the framebuffer
[12:07] <mjg59> sladen: Currently, yes
[12:16] <pef> hello
[12:17] <Gloubiboulga> hey pef 
[12:17] <pef> Gloubiboulga: heya ;)
[12:23] <sladen> anyone know the build time and disk-requirements for 'evolution-data-server' (only want to build 'libecal')
[12:24] <StevenK> Build needed 00:08:51, 173532k disk space
[12:25] <StevenK> According to terranova
[12:26] <sladen> hmmm.  /me eyes up df
[12:26] <dholbach> If you don't build it in a chroot, it won't be that much space.
[12:26] <simira> hey, where did you guys put Mithrandir today?
[12:27] <StevenK> In the closet.
[12:27] <dholbach> simira: He's not feeling weel.
[12:27] <dholbach> well
[12:28] <simira> dholbach: argh... asleep, then? :-/
[12:29] <Kamion> simira: in his room, at any rate; he came down briefly earlier
[12:31] <jbailey> A="Canada/Eastern" md5sum ${A} posix/${A} right/${A}
[12:41] <sladen> jbailey: work, in what way?
[12:43] <mjg59> Woo
[12:43] <Kinnison> mjg59: whassat?
[12:43] <Treenaks> mjg59: \o/
[12:43] <mjg59> Treenaks: I've added a hack to make it work on TI chipsets
[12:43] <Treenaks> Kinnison: SD/MMC cardreader found in lots of laptops
[12:43] <Treenaks> (basically)
[12:43] <mjg59> Kinnison: Anything with a PCI class of 0805
[12:44] <sladen> jbailey: but, if you put a ;   A=Canada/Eastern ; md5sum ...
[12:44] <Kinnison> mjg59: My TypA tosh SD reader has that
[12:44] <Treenaks> mjg59: what kind of hack?
[12:44] <Kinnison> mjg59: yay
[12:44] <Treenaks> mjg59: a 'Hey you're a TI; *poke*' ?
[12:44] <Kinnison> 0000:01:0d.0 0880: 1179:0805 (rev 03)
[12:44] <Kinnison> is that what you mean?
[12:44] <simira> Treenaks: good afternoon. Are you also in London?
[12:44] <mjg59> Kinnison: Class of 0805, not device of 0805
[12:44] <Kinnison> mjg59: Oh
[12:44] <mjg59> Kinnison: (Sadly)
[12:44] <Treenaks> simira: no, I'm one capital city to the east ;)
[12:44] <Treenaks> simira: (Amsterdam)
[12:45] <mjg59> Kinnison: There's a chance it might work. Once the updated version hits the kernel, you can try echoing it to sysfs
[12:45] <Kinnison> right
[12:45] <Kinnison> This is going into daper?
[12:45] <Kinnison> erm, dapper
[12:45] <mjg59> Treenaks: There's a bit that needs to be set in the flash media chipset to tell it to let the sdhci hardware have the SD slot
[12:45] <jbailey> sladen: Thanks, that turned out to be the best way.
[12:45] <mjg59> Kinnison: Hope so
[12:45] <mjg59> I've just mailed the patch to Ben
[12:46] <sladen> bling.  just the Acceleromator to claim 100% X40 support
[12:46] <mjg59> sladen: We have the accelerometer driver
[12:47] <mjg59> Just no way of usefully saving the drive
[12:47] <Kinnison> mjg59: cool
[12:47] <Lathiat> i guess a hdparm -y is a bit too slow?
[12:47] <Treenaks> mjg59: hdparm -Y
[12:47] <Treenaks> ?
[12:48] <Lathiat> -Y is bad, it wont wake back up
[12:48] <Lathiat> -y is better, it is a little on the slow side of happening tho
[12:48] <mjg59> Treenaks: Not fast enough, and we need to freeze the IDE queue to stop it spinning the drive back up
[12:48] <Treenaks> mjg59: scary
[12:48] <mjg59> There's hacky code to do it, but it's not getting integrated upstream
[12:48] <mjg59> I may look at including it
[12:48] <mjg59> Wouldn't help the SATA case, though
[12:48] <Lathiat> hdparm -y works on my sata
[12:49] <Lathiat> i assume mentioned code is similar, or not?
[12:49] <mjg59> Nope
[12:49] <Lathiat> ah ok
[12:49] <mjg59> You need to stop the kernel sending further requests to the drive
[12:49] <Lathiat> -Y will do that if you can keep the magic in memory to wake it back up :)
[12:49] <Lathiat> heh
[12:50] <Lathiat> the man page says the kernel will wake it back up from -Y if its needed but it doesnt
[12:50] <mjg59> Lathiat: Nah, -Y just means the kernel shits itself
[12:50] <mjg59> And still isn't fast enough :)
[12:50] <Treenaks> mjg59: what _is_ fast enough then?
[12:51] <mjg59> Treenaks: There's a magic head unload command that the Thinkpad drives understand
[12:51] <siretart> >> ls -lad /usr/bin/X11
[12:51] <siretart> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jan 20 11:51 /usr/bin/X11 -> ../bin/
[12:51] <siretart> does this make sense?
[12:52] <mjg59> siretart: Yeah
[12:52] <siretart> never mind, it does
[12:53] <siretart> er, but isn't /usr/bin/X11/../bin/ equal to /usr/bin/bin/?
[12:54] <Lathiat> theres no trailing /
[12:54] <Lathiat> so i assume X11 is in /usr/bin context
[12:54] <Lathiat> so ../bin is /usr/bin/../bin
[12:54] <lifeless> siretart: yes, but thats no equal to /usr/bin/X11 -> ../bin/
[12:54] <Lathiat> but it is confusing
[12:54] <lifeless> the symlink name is stripped before evaluating the path
[12:54] <lifeless> is /usr/bin/ + ../bin/
[12:55] <lifeless> consider a symlink foo->bar
[12:56] <siretart> ah, sure
[12:56] <siretart> confusing shit..
[01:36] <sladen> mjg59: all the harddisk supplied in machines with the accelerometer support two extra instructions that put the disk in a mode where it will not unpark the heads until told to
[01:37] <mjg59> sladen: So what happens to the commands sent by the kernel?
[01:38] <sladen> mjg59: they get queued up.  
[01:38] <mjg59> How?
[01:38] <sladen> mjg59: and it responds with 'busy' or something to anything it can't answer from RAM
[01:38] <mjg59> You'll get kernel timeouts and discarded writes
[01:39] <sladen> just imagine a seek that takes 5 seconds instead of 50msec
[02:25] <luisv> hey... I grabbed yesterday's daily install CD, md5summed, did the CD's integrity check (all checked out), and then when I did the install, it said packages left and right were corrupt- known problem?
[02:27] <zul> heylo
[02:31] <luisv> morning, mako.
[02:36] <tepsipakki> seb128: why is there no gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad? Is it just that no-one has had time to do it, or will it ever be included (in multiverse)?
[02:37] <tepsipakki> I just upgraded my laptop to dapper, and noticed I can't listen to my music with rhythmbox anymore ;)
[02:37] <tepsipakki> it's all .m4a
[02:49] <tepsipakki> maybe I'll just ask on u-d
[03:09] <HiddenWolf> BenC: ping
[03:09] <BenC> HiddenWolf: pong
[03:10] <HiddenWolf> BenC: regarding bug 29789 you told me to test your kernel-daily build, but there hasn't been one since that comment
[03:10] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29789 in linux-source-2.6.15 "tv card audio not working" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29789
[03:11] <BenC> HiddenWolf: ooh, there is one, but I didn't move it to the archive...I'll get that shortly, sorry
[03:11] <HiddenWolf> BenC: right, that's cool. Give me a heads-up when it's there and I'll test asap.
[03:13] <mjg59> BenC: Don't suppose you've had a chance to look at those patches?
[03:13] <BenC> mjg59: applying them all today
[03:13] <BenC> hopefully have a kernel upload tomorrow
[03:14] <zul> including mine? :)
[03:15] <mjg59> BenC: Cool
[03:16] <mjg59> Keybuk: So, what are we going to do about loading mmc_block? :)
[03:16] <mjg59> Also, could you put a list of cards that don't work with NM up somewhere?
[03:17] <hunger> Is NM part of ubuntu now?
[03:18] <tseng> its "part" of ubuntu
[03:18] <tseng> its not in ubuntu-desktop
[03:18] <hunger> tseng: Yes... but only in universe. Just checked myself.
[03:18] <mjg59> hunger: That's the aim
[03:18] <hunger> So it will be moved into main eventually?
[03:19] <mjg59> With luck
[03:19] <hunger> mjg59: Damn:-( Never worked properly for me.
[03:19] <BenC> oooh, upgrading bluez-utils is bad
[03:19] <BenC> stops my mouse from working during most of the dist-upgrade
[03:20] <mjg59> hunger: "Never worked properly" is not terribly descriptive
[03:20] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: it seems to indicate that it did not live up to hunger's expectations
[03:21] <hunger> mjg59: brings up the wrong interfaces, does not connect to my wlan, never shuts down interfaces it brought up and restarting interfaces I manually brought down.
[03:21] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: For all I know he expected it to bring him untold riches, so...
[03:21] <mjg59> hunger: What was the last version you tried?
[03:21] <Treenaks> Untold riches? where?!
[03:21] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: *grin*
[03:21] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: ssssht
[03:21] <hunger> mjg59: last test was a couple of weeks ago.
[03:22] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: they are *untold* riches
[03:22] <mjg59> hunger: What sort of hardware?
[03:22] <hunger> mjg59: I keep trying it since people claim it is cool:-)
[03:22] <hunger> mjg59: madwifi wlan, lan uses tg3 driver.
[03:23] <mjg59> It won't work sensibly with madwifi due to madwifi being awful
[03:23] <mjg59> Next lrm should improve things
[03:23] <hunger> mjg59: I hope so... nm did not support wpa either... which is a showstopper for me.
[03:24] <mjg59> It now supports wpa
[03:24] <hunger> mjg59: Cool. Have to try it again... even though the applet looks sooooo ugly on my kde desktop:-)
[03:24] <Treenaks> if you have wpasupplicant
[03:25] <Keybuk> mjg59: we haven't decided to go with madwifi-ng yet
[03:25] <hunger> Treenaks: I do... I am connected over a wlan using wpa right now.
[03:25] <Keybuk> because you suck and don't have an amd64 we can test it on
[03:25] <mjg59> Keybuk: Well upload the damn thing and see if anyone complains
[03:25] <hunger> mjg59: I'm waiting for it:-)
[03:25] <Keybuk> mjg59: I have two packages people can test, but it's not going into the archive until it's known to work
[03:25] <Keybuk> upstream have said they're sure it's not 64-bit safe
[03:26] <mjg59> Christ
[03:27] <mjg59> Keybuk: The amd64 I have is locked to HP wireless cards, and the only Atheros I have is with you in London at the moment, so...
[03:27] <luisv> if you throw me a package, I'm happy to test atheros
[03:27] <mjg59> luisv: On amd64?
[03:27] <luisv> oh.
[03:27] <luisv> missed that detail.
[03:28] <mjg59> Heh
[03:28] <luisv> (people have amd64 laptops?)
[03:28] <mjg59> luisv: Sadly, yes
[03:28] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: heh, agreed.
[03:28] <HiddenWolf> Like sticking a v8 in a mini
[03:28] <luisv> I like to light my crotch on fire from time to time too, but there are more efficient ways than carrying around an amd
[03:29] <mjg59> I haven't seem an attractive amd64 laptop yet
[03:29] <HiddenWolf> luisv: you wouldn't be the first with first degree burns to be admitted into an hospital. ;)
[03:29] <luisv> sadly 'attractive' is not a key factor in the PC market
[03:29] <mjg59> The HP one is big, heavy and nasty
[03:29] <HiddenWolf> luisv: altho I have to be fair, most of those people did not put on pants before firing up their laptops
[03:29] <Keybuk> who wears pants while using a laptop?
[03:30] <luisv> Keybuk: some of us have to go to 'offices'
[03:30] <Keybuk> you're not allowed to work naked?
[03:30] <mjg59> Keybuk: Have you mentioned these test packages on the mailing list?
[03:31] <luisv> Keybuk: 'law school'
[03:31] <Keybuk> mjg59: no, adam made them and was going to get round to it before he dropped down dead
[03:31] <luisv> Keybuk: 'sexual harassment'
[03:31] <HiddenWolf> luisv: hey, us geeks have to do something to get some sexual attention. ;)
[03:31] <mjg59> Keybuk: If we don't make a decision soon, there's not going to be time to make sure everything actually works sanely
[03:31] <Keybuk> HiddenWolf: yes, it's called "showering"
[03:32] <HiddenWolf> Keybuk: What an exceptional concept, allow me to ponder.
[03:32] <jbailey> Keybuk: Showering in what?
[03:32] <dilinger> jbailey: capacitors!
[03:32] <Keybuk> MONEY
[03:32] <HiddenWolf> jbailey: keybuk in a speedo. ;)
[03:32] <luisv> ewwww.
[03:32] <jbailey> Keybuk: Known to be quite effective. =)
[03:33] <jbailey> HiddenWolf: That's sort of like raining cats and dogs..  But different.
[03:33] <HiddenWolf> jbailey: enlightening
[03:33] <mjg59> Keybuk: (You've killed Adam as well? Bastards)
[03:33] <Keybuk> mjg59: there's only 5 of us left!
[03:34] <mjg59> Jesus
[03:34] <mjg59> You've been trying hard
[03:34] <JaneW> mjg59: yeah Adam's dead
[03:34] <Keybuk> I'm being blamed because I'm wearing my "I am Fedora" t-shirt
[03:34] <jbailey> mjg59: It's the "I AM FEDORA" shirt that Scott's wearing.
[03:34] <JaneW> 'hear me roar'
[03:34] <hunger> Is network-manager installable? The postinst fails for me.
[03:34] <jbailey> JaneW: Already done. =)
[03:35] <mjg59> hunger: Ought to be. How's it failing?
[03:35] <Kinnison> Anyone here up on the history of the 2.6.15 packages in dapper?
[03:35] <mjg59> Kinnison: I'd expect benc to be...
[03:35] <hunger> mjg59: complaining about some missing file in /etc/dbus-1/event.d
[03:35] <jbailey> mjg59: Reminds me that I should try hibernate again now that I've logged in and out again
[03:35] <mjg59> hunger: Your problem reports are a model of information content
[03:36] <mjg59> Which file?
[03:36] <AlinuxOS> hello, anyone can package for dapper and breezy a .ttf Georgian fonts... because there is locales ka_GE.UTF-8 without supported fonts... and that's very important for Dapper's native georgian language support.
[03:37] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Are there any Free Georgian fonts?
[03:37] <jbailey> mjg59: It blanked the screeen and then completely failed to hibernate, which I haven't tried otherwise on this laptop.
[03:37] <jbailey> Lemme do that.
[03:37] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, free like word ...and not free like beer :)
[03:37] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: In that case, no
[03:37] <mjg59> They can't go in main
[03:37] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, GPL
[03:37] <AlinuxOS> LGPL
[03:37] <AlinuxOS> i mean.
[03:37] <mjg59> Oh, right
[03:37] <mjg59> So both
[03:37] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Got a pointer?
[03:38] <AlinuxOS> pointer? (sorry for english)
[03:38] <Treenaks> AlinuxOS: a link
[03:38] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Where can these fonts be obtained?
[03:38] <AlinuxOS> I have them...
[03:38] <mjg59> jbailey: Was that yesterday's attempt, or today?
[03:38] <tseng> AlinuxOS: the original source.
[03:39] <AlinuxOS> http://fonts.ge/?load=welcome here is a big collection
[03:40] <AlinuxOS> but mainly I've tested 3 type of fonts.
[03:40] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Sadly, I don't speak Georgian :) Which ones are LGPLed, and where can we find a link to the license?
[03:41] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, sadl there is no link to license because it's made by Georgian Institute...and it's open for all...
[03:42] <AlinuxOS> this site provides only open non commercial fonts.
[03:42] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Without an attached license, we can't distribute the fonts
[03:42] <mjg59> We need to know we can distribute modified versions and that people can use them commercially
[03:43] <AlinuxOS> http://aiet.qartuli.net/docs/georgian_on_linux_en.php
[03:43] <AlinuxOS> here is other 3
[03:43] <AlinuxOS> The provided fonts are licensed for free distribution by individuals and by companies independently, or along with any GNU Linux System or other open-source software, as well for free use of the typefaces for commercial and noncommercial needs.
[03:43] <hunger> mjg59: Sorry... lost connection to my irc client after NM has hosed my setup yet again.
[03:44] <mjg59> hunger: NM will not usefully work with madwifi
[03:44] <hunger> mjg59: I can not even connect to my wlan anymore, not even after deinstalling NM again.
[03:45] <hunger> mjg59: /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postinst: line 17: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher: No such file or directory
[03:45] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: The text there doesn't give us any permission to modify the fonts
[03:45] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, so brother ? everything ok?
[03:45] <hunger> mjg59: The connection dropped when I was about to paste that line.
[03:45] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, :((((
[03:45] <AlinuxOS> oh no so fiscal...
[03:46] <AlinuxOS> we have no other fonts !!
[03:46] <AlinuxOS> we have very yong UTF Unicdo non commercial fonts...
[03:46] <AlinuxOS> I'm administrator of Ubuntu Georgian Translation team..
[03:46] <AlinuxOS> And I do manually everything to have georgian free fonts...
[03:47] <jbailey> mjg59: Today's attempt.  I just did a hibernate by hand and I noticed that the previous attempt appeared to have run out of memory.
[03:47] <jbailey> mjg59: So it might have worked if it hadn't hit that case.
[03:47] <AlinuxOS> so could you please include georgian free fonts in Ubuntu distro? I knew that Mandrive uses this 3 too...
[03:47] <mjg59> jbailey: Ok
[03:47] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: I'm looking into it
[03:47] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, please.
[03:47] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, thank you...
[03:48] <hunger> Need to reboot... at which time the next problem will bite me: On reboot the screen goes blank and nothing happens anymore. How can I debug that?
[03:48] <hunger> I have a init-script that turns of usplash... maybe that is causing trouble?
[03:48] <jbailey> mjg59: At some point I should probably collect information from this laptop for why suspend doesn't work.
[03:49] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Is there anywhere on the BPG site where I can get these fonts?
[03:49] <mjg59> http://aiet.qartuli.net/docs/georgian_on_linux_en.php provides no proper license information
[03:49] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, We have another problem too, we (2 persons) are translating GNOME for Ubuntu, but the main GNOME has no our translations... our Project manager is not working at all from 2.10 version..
[03:49] <AlinuxOS> there is 0% of translation...
[03:50] <AlinuxOS> so GNOME can't receve my and my friends tested .po files on Ubuntu Linux.
[03:50] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, no. It's the source font for fonts.ge.
[03:51] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Without a license, we cannot distribute the fonts
[03:52] <AlinuxOS> http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/professional/bpg-fonts.html mjg59 
[03:52] <AlinuxOS> even SuSE provides them
[03:53] <AlinuxOS> http://aiet.qartuli.net/docs/georgian_on_linux_en.php this site is the source.
[03:53] <Treenaks> AlinuxOS: that doesn't make them legal
[03:53] <Treenaks> AlinuxOS: uh.. that doesn't make it legal for us to distribute them
[03:54] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: That's still not a license
[03:54] <AlinuxOS> Treenaks, ok... if dont' want... I can't force you... I said there is no license here is autor's site: http://aiet.qartuli.net/old_public_html/kafont/index.html
[03:54] <mjg59> Nnf. Ok, I guess that provides distribution rights.
[03:55] <mjg59> But not modification.
[03:55] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: We can put it in multiverse - I'm afraid that's the best that we can do
[03:56] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, when a georgian user cheks "Georgian in Language Selector" he needs a fonts...
[03:56] <BenC> just noticed that evolution hasn't crashed on me in awhile...guess that means it's stabilizing :)
[03:56] <Kinnison> firefox in breezy crashes on me daily
[03:56] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: We will not ship non-modifiable fonts in main
[03:56] <AlinuxOS> gucharmap without this font displays nothig...
[03:57] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: what mjg59 said; it doesn't matter how useful they are
[03:57] <AlinuxOS> so this font are fondamental for GNOME or KDE interface...in another way there is no possibiliy to get georgian GNOME
[03:57] <Kamion> Flash is useful to some people too, but it's still in multiverse
[03:57] <Kinnison> BenC: try getting evo to render an email with a line > about 32KiB
[03:57] <Kinnison> BenC: That reliably seems to crash evo on my breezy box
[03:57] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: please stop arguing how useful it is
[03:57] <AlinuxOS> so georgian locales must be linked like dependencie for this fonts.
[03:57] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: I'm sorry, but we're a free software distribution. Everything that goes in main has to be modified.
[03:57] <Kamion> AlinuxOS: it would be more productive to put effort into getting the Georgian Institute to declare that these fonts may be modified
[03:57] <mjg59> Sorry, modifiable. Not modified.
[03:58] <Kamion> (and that we can distribute modified versions)
[03:58] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: As Kamion said - we will happily distribute fonts that we can modify, and if you can get the copyright holders to give us that permission we'll do it in an instant
[03:58] <mjg59> But until then, the best that we can do is put them in multiverse
[04:00] <AlinuxOS> Oh God, ok.... I'm mailing for a month to this fu**** GNOME "mantainer" that hase provided this fonts... there is no other declarations... he don't responds me :(
[04:00] <AlinuxOS> what can I do... :(
[04:01] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Produce your own fonts?
[04:01] <mjg59> I'm sorry, but there's really nothing more we can do
[04:02] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, I know some people... maybe they can help me to find tham...
[04:02] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: Ok, cool
[04:02] <mjg59> If you can find fonts that we can put in main, we'll happily do so
[04:03] <Kinnison> Kamion: can you take a call right now?
[04:04] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, ok...
[04:04] <AlinuxOS> I'll ping you bro...
[04:04] <AlinuxOS> sorry for my emotional speaking :)
[04:05] <Mithrandir> dholbach: why does ekiga traverse the whole of /dev on startup?
[04:05] <Kamion> Kinnison: sure
[04:05] <AlinuxOS> I really love ubuntu and we are only 3 persons who use ubuntu in this moment...
[04:05] <Kinnison> Kamion: Can you /msg me your cellphone number?
[04:05] <Kinnison> (go me)
[04:05] <Treenaks> Kinnison: nono.. the "hotel room" is your cell!
[04:06] <AlinuxOS> but when Ubuntu will speak in georgian :) then things become better :)
[04:07] <AlinuxOS> mjg59, So I can't understand why SuSE and Mandrake provides this fonts....maybe because they are commercial
[04:07] <AlinuxOS> ?
[04:07] <mjg59> AlinuxOS: They provide non-free software
[04:09] <BenC> wonder if I can convince infinity to include mol.ko build in linux-restricted-modules
[04:09] <BenC> actually, it's really free, so it could go in the main kernel build under drivers/macintosh/
[04:16] <Mithrandir> mjg59: if my machine suddenly believes it is very hot and runs the fan at full speed, what's a good way to convince it's not?
[04:16] <mjg59> Mithrandir: Cool it down?
[04:16] <mjg59> This is your X40?
[04:17] <Mithrandir> yes
[04:17] <Mithrandir>      Thermal 1: ok, 43.0 degrees C
[04:17] <mjg59> No idea. It's handled by the BIOS.
[04:17] <Mithrandir> it's running the "omg, I'm dying" mode on the fan.
[04:17] <Mithrandir> rmmod fan ; modprobe fan didn't fix it.
[04:17] <hunger> Mithrandir: A can of compressed air helped with my T40.
[04:18] <hunger> Mithrandir: The fan and its surroundings was so covered in dirt that it did no longer work properly.
[04:18] <Mithrandir> hunger: well, it just started and didn't make audible noise before that.
[04:18] <Mithrandir> I'll just try rebooting
[04:21] <mako> luisv: hola
[04:22] <luisv> your captcha, is, indeed, ingenious
[04:23] <trulux> let's see if any upgrade covers the printing stuff
[04:24] <mako> luisv: i've got a paper on it if you want to know the larger infrastructure that it's part of
[04:25] <mako> luisv: the paper is not really done yet but it gets the point across
[04:25] <luisv> am quite curious, definitley send it along
[04:25] <mako> luisv: cool
[04:25] <luisv> you could perhaps send it in the same email as the belgian beer document
[04:25] <luisv> :)
[04:25] <luisv> trulux: is printing not working for you in dapper?
[04:25] <mako> luisv: i don't have access to my computer right now
[04:25] <mako> luisv: i'm locked out of my office :)
[04:25] <luisv> haha
[04:25] <mako> but i emailed the paper to someone last night so i have it :)
[04:26] <trulux> luisv: yep, I had my PSC 1315 working neatly with Breezy and Hoary but with dapper it's not anymore working
[04:26] <trulux> luisv: at most I get printing
[04:27] <luisv> all gnome apps hang for me in dapper ATM when I try to print
[04:27] <trulux> luisv: hplip won't detect devices, hpoj neither
[04:27] <mako> it was one of those "i remember my keys are inside as the locked door closes" mornings
[04:27] <luisv> haven't really looked into it
[04:27] <luisv> mako: doh.
[04:27] <mako> man.. if people actually ever printed, we would find these bugs earlier
[04:28] <HiddenWolf> mako: it's that printing is usually such a painful experience that we tend to do it somewhere else.
[04:29] <lamont-work> mako: and an HP-all-in-one USB printer on an amd64 kernel with 32-bit user space doesn't work either - actually, just the scanner seems b0rked.
[04:29] <lamont-work> then again, taht's breezy
[04:29] <bmon> trulux: try ln -s /dev/usblp0 /dev/usb/lp0
[04:30] <trulux> bmon: let's check
[04:30] <mako> we choose our battles
[04:30] <mako> and i gave up on printing in like '98 :)
[04:30] <mako> it's perhaps time to revisit it
[04:30] <mako> i traded my printer for a better sound card IIRC
[04:31] <Treenaks> mako: wasn't it you who told me about CUPS' printer browsing function in Mataro? :)
[04:31] <Amaranth> i gave up on printing when i installed windows to do school work :P
[04:31] <trulux> *** Found "psc 1310 series " but failed to communicate with it!
[04:31] <trulux> doh
[04:31] <mako> Treenaks: i find that unlikely
[04:31] <Treenaks> mako: hm, then it was Pitti
[04:31] <lamont-work> Treenaks: I'd bet on either keybuk or pitti
[04:31] <mako> oh, i just let other people set up printers and i print from their computers :)
[04:31] <Treenaks> mako: :)
[04:32] <bmon> trulux: did you restart hplip/cups?
[04:32] <trulux> bmon: won't change the status with hplios nor hpoj
[04:32] <bmon> thats true
[04:32] <trulux> bmon: hplip seems to recognize it
[04:32] <bmon> oh yeah
[04:32] <bmon> cheack your ppd file
[04:32] <trulux> bmon: let's check if it really works :)
[04:32] <bmon> mine was corrupted
[04:33] <bmon> in an upgrade
[04:33] <trulux> 01/02/06 16:32:36             Tri-color cartridge is low on ink (1502)
[04:33] <trulux> hah
[04:34] <Amaranth> 01/02/06?
[04:34] <Amaranth> oh, damn europeans :P
[04:35] <trulux> heh
[04:35] <trulux> bmon: OK, so, udev package/hplip should be fixed
[04:35] <trulux> bmon: I checked it but missed to verify if device path was the right one
[04:35] <bmon> bug 28797
[04:35] <Ubugtu> malone bug 28797 in hplip "hplip only searches for printers in /dev/usb/*, but the device is /dev/usblp0" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/28797
[04:35] <trulux> bmon: at least it's an eays issue
[04:36] <trulux> bmon: good, someone worked on it? I would be pleased of helping
[04:36] <bmon> trulux: No thats a bug I filed, but as far as I know no one has had time to work on it yet
[04:36] <trulux> bmon: I will fix it now
[04:36] <bmon> cool
[04:36] <trulux> then sleep some time :)
[04:45] <dholbach> Mithrandir: good questions.
[04:46] <mjg59> Mithrandir: The X40 fan is not OS controlled
[04:46] <mjg59> The fan module does nothing
[04:54] <Bicchi> What is the version number of Gtk+ that comes in  breezy?
[04:55] <tseng> packages.ubuntu.com
[04:55] <Bicchi> yeah, but i do not know the name of the library
[04:56] <tseng> libgtk2.0-0
[04:56] <Bicchi> thanks
[04:57] <dholbach> lamont, lamont-work: can you give back ekiga?
[04:57] <dholbach> please :)
[04:57] <seb128> who broke the upload queue?
[04:58] <lamont-work> seb128: sure it's not just due to excessive gnome uploads? :-)
[04:58] <ogra> seb128, launchpad ? 
[04:59] <dholbach> lamont-work: surely not. we took things extra-slow :-)
[04:59] <seb128> lamont-work: maybe, I blame dholbach
[05:00] <lamont-work> seb128: blame kiko - it's more fun
[05:01] <seb128> right
[05:01] <ogra> lamont-work, not that it would be less fun to blame dholbach ;)
[05:05] <simira> can someone please fix my weather! It's broken!
[05:05] <giftnudel> does it have a leak?
[05:05] <ogra> simira, file a bug please :P
[05:05] <ogra> we'll care for it then ...#
[05:06] <lamont-work> ogra: nah - dholbach is too nice... kiko, OTOH, actually made me sign the CoC this week.  finally
[05:06] <dholbach> so you signed your CoC finally... great. :-p
[05:06] <ogra> lamont-work, oh i thought it was jane who helped you signing your CoC :)
[05:06] <seb128> simira: if it crashes don't file a bug, we already have one fo rit
[05:06] <seb128> for it
[05:06] <simira> seb128: I know
[05:06] <lamont-work> dholbach: ogra well, there is that aspect too.
[05:07] <ogra> heh
[05:07] <lamont-work> JaneW was nagging me for kiko though
[05:08] <JaneW> lamont: any excuse will do ;)
[05:08] <lamont-work> JaneW: and you're good at it.
[05:08] <lamont-work> and cute while you're nagging too... quite the accomplishment. :0)
[05:08] <JaneW> heh
[05:15] <Mithrandir> dholbach: ekiga seems to be missing a dependency on libopal-2.2.0
[05:17] <dholbach> Mithrandir: I got the bug 15 times now.
[05:17] <Ubugtu> malone bug 15 in rosetta "PO file import errors should be more verbose" [Wishlist,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/15
[05:17] <dholbach> Mithrandir: I did an upload already which should fix it.
[05:17] <Mithrandir> haha :-)
[05:17] <Mithrandir> dholbach: excellent
[05:17] <dholbach> malone bug 29195
[05:17] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29195 in opal "Missing library symlinks." [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29195
[05:17] <dholbach> that's the one
[05:18] <dholbach> that's why i asked lamont to give back ekiga
[05:18] <lamont-work> dholbach: and I'm finally looking at it...
[05:19] <lamont-work> hrm... ekiga is universe, or main?
[05:19] <dholbach> main
[05:19] <dholbach> lamont-work: you're the best.
[05:19] <dholbach> hey dredg
[05:20] <dredg> lo
[05:20] <lamont-work> dholbach: and what you really meant to say was 'please pretend that libopal-dev is available everywhere, kthxbye"
[05:20] <dholbach> it's not there?
[05:21] <lamont-work> dholbach: well, dunno -that's why ekiga wasn't building..
[05:21] <lamont-work> so either it'll build now, or it'll go right back to dep-wait. :-)
[05:21] <dholbach> it should be there now :)
[05:21] <lamont-work> but retry it shall.
[05:24] <dredg> dholbach: how goes?
[05:24] <dholbach> dredg: fine thanks. :-)
[05:24] <dholbach> dredg: are you still in california?
[05:25] <dredg> dholbach: no, back in ireland
[05:25] <lamont-work> dholbach: I try to make my give-back interactions with wanna-build as idiot-savant as possible...
[05:25] <dholbach> lamont-work: thanks for that. :-)
[05:25] <lamont-work> the presumption being that y'all expect it to do better this time around :0)
[05:26] <dredg> dholbach: still laughing at the "omg goole releasing ubuntu-based goobuntu to crush microsoft" stories
[05:26] <dredg> er, google*
[05:26] <mjg59> There are people in my office talking about that right now
[05:27] <dredg> i'm convinced that there is a group of people who spend all their time making this stuff up
[05:27] <dholbach> dredg: so goobuntu isn't going to crush microsoft?
[05:28] <dredg> not as such, no
[05:28] <tseng> its pretty unlikely to be made up
[05:28] <dredg> tseng: there is a goobuntu.
[05:28] <tseng> there is just a group of people who spend their time exagerating tech industry bits
[05:28] <tseng> esp. google
[05:29] <dredg> and that's all i'm allowed say about it. but trust me, google are *not* going to release an operating system
[05:30] <Keybuk> of course, the rumours about the "HooPbuntu" ...
[05:30] <dredg> omg someone tell the register
[05:31] <Menoz> hi all
[05:32] <BenC> dredg: is it ubuntu with the default home page changed to www.google.com? :)
[05:32] <Keybuk> and with gnome-lava-lamp in the desktop seed
[05:32] <dredg> :)
[05:33] <Keybuk> and gnome-sushi-chef, but only in the US version
[05:33] <dredg> man i wish we had sushi in the ireland office
[05:33] <Menoz> do you know a way to say "select always the default option" to the second stage of an installation of ubuntu?
[05:33] <Menoz> a preseed option?
[05:34] <Keybuk> Menoz: the debconf documentation is your friend
[05:34] <Keybuk> hint: priority
[05:34] <TorbX> Hello
[05:34] <TorbX> How can I help?
[05:34] <Menoz> great! thanx!
[05:34] <jpatrick> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingUbuntu
[05:34] <BenC> I've said it before, and I'll say it again...git-bisect is the best tool ever
[05:35] <BenC> it almost makes me want to look for bugs
[05:35] <jbailey> BenC: Do we have a similar tool for bzr?
[05:36] <Keybuk> "bzr-saw" ?
[05:38] <BenC> jbailey: I mentioned it to them, not sure if it ever got implemented
[05:38] <BenC> Keybuk: is that an actual tool?
[05:39] <Keybuk> BenC: not yet
[05:39] <trulux> ok
[05:39] <trulux> fix done
[05:40] <trulux> let's build the packages
[05:42] <Keybuk> dupload fatal error: Net::FTP: connect: Connection refused at /usr/bin/dupload line 814
[05:42] <Keybuk> SOYUZ PEOPLE: CAN WE HAVE OUR UPLOAD SERVER BACK, KTHXBYE! :p
[05:43] <Kamion> tseng: *shrug* as far as I can tell the Register wilfully made up the "coo, are they going to release this then?" from no evidence
[05:44] <tseng> Kamion: i totally agree that they come to unlikely conclusions
[05:44] <tseng> from little real data
[05:44] <dredg> Kamion: i'm reasonably certain that someone in here mentioned something like "new desktop linux distribution called goobuntu" and someone picked up on it
[05:45] <tseng> haha reminds me of the first distrowatch news on ubuntu
[05:45] <Kamion> dredg: oh, the existence of goobuntu was real data for them, sure
[05:45] <tseng> it listed me, jdub, jordi and jono as the developers
[05:45] <Keybuk> it's been suspected it was mentioned at LCA by somebody
[05:45] <Keybuk> given the timing
[05:45] <tseng> none of who really "developed" anything at the time
[05:46] <tseng> +m
[05:49] <Kamion> tseng: in fairness, that was a comment rather than the news article itself. :)
[05:49] <Kamion> (http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20040920, comment 14)
[05:51] <tseng> hmm thats good
[05:54] <mdz> Kamion: The page you requested is no longer available or it is currently being redesigned. Our apologies for any inconvenience caused.
[05:55] <Kamion> mdz: WFM
[05:55] <Keybuk> "Under Construction ... or just missing
[05:55] <Kamion> (you didn't paste the comma by mistake?)
[05:55] <mdz> oh, xchat-gnome swallows the comma
[05:55] <trulux> http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/patches/ubuntu-all/hplip-udev-fix.patch
[05:55] <trulux> there we go
[05:55] <mdz> (which is a perfectly valid character for a URL)
[05:56] <trulux> bmon: I'll add the url to the malone bug report
[06:00] <bmon> trulux: cool, thanks
[06:04] <trulux> bmon: added to bug report
[06:05] <mjg59> BenC: No git updates for almost 2 days leave me quivering with withdrawl symptoms
[06:06] <trulux> bmon: works like a charm!
[06:06] <trulux> bmon: OK, patch works perfectly here
[06:07] <bmon> trulux: Great! So the next version will have the fix and I will be able to remove the symlink?
[06:07] <trulux> bmon: ask ubuntu maintainers :)
[06:08] <bmon> Whoops, I thought you were one :)
[06:08] <trulux> bmon: hah, I'm waiting for some bounties though :P
[06:10] <herzi> ogra: ping, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gartoon/+bug/30147
[06:10] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30147 in gartoon "gnome-icon-theme-gartoon has got the wrong GTK_STOCK_GOTO_FIRST icon" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[06:11] <Keybuk> I read that as GOT_FIST
[06:11] <herzi> Keybuk: that one is missing as well ;)
[06:12] <BenC> mjg59: lol
[06:13] <Mithrandir> dholbach: ekiga 1.99.0-0ubuntu3 WFM, but only against ekiga in the other end.  Some other windows program makes it noisy.
[06:13] <ogra> herzi, no worries its on my list ...
[06:14] <dholbach> Mithrandir: oh, hm. :/
[06:14] <dholbach> Mithrandir: I'll talk to pkg-voip people.
[06:16] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: I filed a bug on that
[06:16] <Treenaks> (and on another annoying issue, regarding disconnects from the SIP server)
[06:16] <Mithrandir> dholbach: it also uses an awful amount of time to quit
[06:16] <dholbach> Yeah, that was a gnomemeeting problem too.
[06:17] <dholbach> gar!
[06:17] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:17] <luisv> grr
[07:03] <seb128> jordi: around?
[07:23] <Treenaks> Keybuk: You said network-manager does wpa? (the one in dapper doesn't currently..)
[07:23] <Keybuk> no, I said it will do
[07:23] <Keybuk> the one in upstream CVS does
[07:24] <Treenaks> oh ok
[07:24] <Treenaks> shit :)
[07:24] <pitti> Keybuk: speaking of n-m, it should't manage devices which are in /e/n/interfaces
[07:24] <Treenaks> still no sane/usable WPA support then :)
[07:24] <Keybuk> pitti: agree
[07:24] <Keybuk> half the patch is <-- in that window
[07:24] <Keybuk> or at least it was, gnome-terminal appears to have crashed
[07:24] <Keybuk> AGAIN
[07:25] <Keybuk> seb128: a thousand plagues on yourself!
[07:25] <Keybuk> (once your over this one)
[07:25] <Kinnison> harsh
[07:25] <seb128> Keybuk: thank you
[07:25] <Keybuk> Kinnison: I had a lot of gnome-terminals open
[07:25] <seb128> Keybuk: did the backtrace has launchpad integration bits, and did you upgrade g-t/restarted it since yesterday?
[07:25] <Kinnison> is there a way to run g-t in non-factory mode?
[07:26] <Keybuk> seb128: yeah, upgraded this morning and restarted when it last crashed before lunch
[07:26] <Keybuk> Kinnison: --disable-factory
[07:26] <mjg59> pitti: I uploaded a pmount with support for mounting mmc devices
[07:26] <Kinnison> Keybuk: wouldn't that help?
[07:26] <seb128> I blame mvo for g-t
[07:27] <mjg59> (Since I was getting tired of mounting manually while testing the driver)
[07:27] <Keybuk> I'll curse mvo when he finishes throwing up then
[07:27] <Kinnison> Keybuk: it'd certainly reduce the amount of pain each time one terminal dies
[07:27] <pitti> mjg59: I saw it, thanks; I'll integrate the changes into the upstream bzr tree
[07:27] <mjg59> pitti: If you could close the bug, that would be great - malone was being nasty to me
[07:27] <seb128> Keybuk: does the backtrace is still about launchpad integration?
[07:27] <dholbach> Mithrandir: hm?
[07:27] <Keybuk> seb128: it didn't give me a core file sadly
[07:28] <seb128> no bug-buddy neither?
[07:28] <Mithrandir> dholbach: ekiga.
[07:28] <Keybuk> seb128: nope
[07:28] <seb128> bah, bad GNOME
[07:28] <Keybuk> just "*whoosh*kerplunk*"
[07:28] <Keybuk> I only switched to the workspace
[07:28] <dholbach> Mithrandir: ROCK'N'ROLL.
[07:29] <Mithrandir> dholbach: it seems to work quite nicely, sans the problems mentioned before
[07:29] <dholbach> :-D
[07:30] <Mithrandir> it always helps to phone home when your head is threatening to explode
[07:30] <Treenaks> dholbach: now if ekiga would only NOTIFY me of disconnects... :)
[07:30] <dholbach> Treenaks: PLEASE, file an upstream bug! :-)
[07:30] <jbailey> Really-tiny-server questions:
[07:30] <jbailey> Are people likely to want to run mailman on pre-i686 boxers?
[07:30] <Treenaks> dholbach: I filed a malone bug :) I don't know where the upstream bugtracker is
[07:30] <jbailey> err.  Boxes.
[07:30] <dholbach> Treenaks: hrmhrmhrmhrmhrmhrm. :-)
[07:30] <Treenaks> jbailey: it's python, so as long as python is available... :)
[07:30] <Keybuk> isn't anything pre-i686 technically a brief?
[07:31] <jbailey> Keybuk: We're talking "minimal" here.
[07:31] <Keybuk> ubuntu-server-thong
[07:31] <jbailey> Keybuk: And if you're running Ubuntu on your thong, I won't NMU for you...
[07:33] <jbailey> Treenaks: Right.  I'm trying to figure out which componenets would be needed.  I'm guessing Python would be, but if mailman is, then perhaps other python libraries beyond python-base or whatever we call it might be needed as well/.
[07:42] <pitti> mjg59: yes, of course
[08:03] <pitti> lamont: ping
[08:12] <lamont-work> pitti: pong
[08:12] <ogra> BenC, ping
[08:12] <BenC> ogra: pong
[08:13] <ogra> BenC, id mousedev built into the kernel now ?
[08:13] <ogra> s/id/is
[08:13] <ogra> (since i cant modprobe it anymore i guess it is)
[08:14] <pitti> lamont-work: postfix postinst always fails with sth like '...start: postfix already running'
[08:14] <pitti> lamont-work: do you want to fix that in Debian and we just sync, or shall I fix it for ubuntu?
[08:14] <lamont-work> grumble/.
[08:15] <siretart> hi pitti. hi lamont
[08:15] <lamont-work> pitti: if you happen to have a patch for it, I'd be happy... otherwise I'll work on duplicating it and fixing it for debian tonight
[08:15] <lamont-work> siretart: hi
[08:15] <siretart> pitti: I'd like to upload a new pam with this patch: are you d'accord with it? http://librarian.launchpad.net/1546551/pam.debdiff
[08:16] <lamont-work> pitti: right now I'm working on what I expect will be a love-letter generating NMU to debian
[08:16] <siretart> this is bug #27515, btw
[08:16] <Ubugtu> malone bug 27515 in pam libpam0g-dev "security/pam_client.h: Redefinition of internal libc/libstdc++ types breaks unrelated software" [Major,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27515
[08:17] <ogra> BenC, is mousedev built into the kernel now ? seems i cant modprobe it, so i guess i can drop the hack that adds it to /etc/modules in ltsp, right ? 
[08:17] <siretart> pitti: according to rleigh, this patch is already in upstream, debian upload also seems somewhat pending. I think it is rather critical.
[08:19] <pitti> lamont-work: hm, it seems that the prerm didn't stop postfix, and /var/spool/postfix/restart doesn't exist
[08:19] <lamont-work> pitti: which version of postfix?
[08:19] <lamont-work> 2.2.8-9 should be current
[08:20] <pitti> lamont-work:2.2.8-9
[08:20] <lamont-work> $#W%^&R*T()*^&%*^&)(^_(&^%#^$&%*^(&)
[08:20] <lamont-work> right then.  on my list for right after my NMU
[08:20] <pitti> lamont-work: maybe it was just a temporary glitch, no idea
[08:20] <pitti> if it works for other people, nevermind
[08:20] <lamont-work> I'll work on reproducing it
[08:21] <pitti> ok, great
[08:28] <pitti> siretart: that patch looks just fine
[08:28] <siretart> pitti: ok. thanks. I'll upload that then in a minute
[08:28] <pitti> siretart: I had similar breakages in hal (using the __u16 etc. datatypes is eeevil)
[08:29] <siretart> pitti: I'm playing with new sbuild/schroot. really great crack: sbuild on lvm snapshots and stuff :)
[08:29] <siretart> and schroot is ftbfs because of this bug
[08:32] <ogra> BenC, ?
[08:32] <AlinuxOS> hi pitti ;) I've filed language-pack-ka-base_20051011_all.deb and language-pack-ka_20060126_all.de overvrite problem on malone... but I'm not secure If everything is done in a best way.
[08:32] <BenC> ogra: yeah, it's built-in
[08:32] <pitti> AlinuxOS: thanks
[08:33] <AlinuxOS> pitti, ;)
[08:33] <ogra> BenC, ah, thanks :) sorry for being pushy but they'll close the room soon and i wanted to commit the change before 
[08:33] <BenC> no problem
[08:34] <AlinuxOS> pitti, but I have another strange problem with Dappers gnome-menus: http://alinuxos.no-ip.org/menus.png
[08:35] <AlinuxOS> the georgian translation dosen't appear at all.
[08:36] <seb128> seems that the .directory translations stuff doesn't do his job
[08:37] <pitti> AlinuxOS: what does 'grep Gettext /usr/share/desktop-directories/Accessibility.directory' print for you?
[08:38] <AlinuxOS> pitti, where do you a output in private or pastebin?
[08:38] <pitti> AlinuxOS: hm, it seems to work for the panel menu entries (Applications etc.)
[08:38] <AlinuxOS> grep Gettext /usr/share/desktop-directories/Accessibility.directory
[08:38] <AlinuxOS> X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=gnome-menus
[08:39] <AlinuxOS> I'm on breezy now, maybe I must reboot into Dapper ? (that output I made into Dapper's chroot)
[08:40] <AlinuxOS> pitti, some things also are translated strange... maybe it's .po file issue...that they are a little bit changed from breezy to dapper?
[08:41] <AlinuxOS> pitti, example I've translate "language selector" .po file but on gnome-menus it still appear in english.
[08:44] <pitti> AlinuxOS: hm, works fine for me
[08:44] <pitti> AlinuxOS: are you sure that the ka .mo file of gnome-menus is correct?
[08:45] <pitti> AlinuxOS: I can change de/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-menus.mo, killall gnome-panel, and it works
[08:45] <AlinuxOS> /usr/share/locale-langpack/it/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-menus.mo
[08:45] <AlinuxOS> /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-menus.mo
[08:45] <AlinuxOS> /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_CA/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-menus.mo
[08:45] <AlinuxOS> /usr/share/locale-langpack/ru/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-menus.mo
[08:45] <AlinuxOS> /usr/share/locale-langpack/ka/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-menus.mo
[08:45] <AlinuxOS> it's in a right place....
[08:45] <pitti> yes, but does it have correct translations?
[08:45] <pitti> AlinuxOS: msgunfmt /usr/share/locale-langpack/ka/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-menus.mo |less
[08:46] <AlinuxOS> pitti, moment
[08:46] <AlinuxOS> msgid "_Applications:"
[08:46] <AlinuxOS> msgstr "_<9E><9D><90>:"
[08:46] <AlinuxOS> mmm
[08:46] <AlinuxOS> I see this strange things in terminal..
[08:46] <pitti> AlinuxOS: not that one, try 'Accessibility' for example
[08:47] <pitti> AlinuxOS: hm, maybe it states the wrong encoding?
[08:47] <AlinuxOS> but fonts are installed in the right way
[08:47] <pitti> anyway, folks here cry for dinner
[08:47] <AlinuxOS> but when I open .po file in gtranslator everethyng works great..
[08:48] <AlinuxOS> pitti, moment...I'll  reboot... and retry
[09:02] <lucas> MOTU meeting now on #ubuntu-meeting
[09:25] <thisisadeal> these absolutely have to go today.  2 alienware area51-m 5700 laptops $550 each includes shipping, case, wireless router and 1 alienware area51 7500 desktop $700 includes monitor, keyboard, mouse,. speakers.  message me if you wnat to buy any of these items at mcsltd@telusmail.net, aim at ogd443 or yahoo at mcsltd2 thanks and have a good day.
[09:36] <zyga> ....
[09:36] <zyga> spam on #u-devel?
[09:48] <dieman> arugh.
[09:48] <dieman> i didn't notice hoary's amd64-xeon kernel has DUMMY_IOMMU
[09:52] <dieman> ok
[09:52] <dieman> at least dapper isn't that way
[09:53] <mgalvin> is there a reason why the about thunderbird dialog has no image or is it broken?  http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/images/screenshots/dapper/flight4/thunderbird-bad.png
[09:54] <dieman> mgalvin: trademarks, is my guess
[09:54] <zyga> mgalvin: It might be related to the fact that those icons are copyrighted trademakrs
[09:54] <zyga> exactly
[09:54] <zyga> mgalvin: ubuntu cannot ship those images
[09:55] <mgalvin> true, but the firefox has an image there (not the trademarked one)
[09:56] <mgalvin> *something* should be there :-/
[09:56] <mgalvin> meh, not a big deal, i just noticed it
[09:57] <zyga> mgalvin: yeah, an ubuntu on a mail envelope logo would be nice
[09:57] <mgalvin> zyga: thats a good idea, that would be nice
[09:58] <zyga> mgalvin: go for it, pick up the icon from tango project add the ubuntu logo and ping me
[09:59] <zyga> mgalvin: high res please :-)
[09:59] <mgalvin> :), i'm looking for the images now
[10:01] <zyga> mgalvin: tango-project
[10:01] <zyga> mgalvin: art.ubuntu.com might help but I doubt you'll find a hi-res logo with transparency
[10:01] <mgalvin> zyga: yup i know, i got it
[10:01] <zyga> mgalvin: there is one at the wiki
[10:06] <Leoric> Which standard should a package maintainer follow to create application menu icons in Ubuntu?
[10:32] <sladen> zyga/mgalvin: would it be avoid having Ubuntu specific branding on the images.  It makes life easier for derivers
[10:32] <zyga> sladen: no
[10:32] <sivang> zyga: what is that logo going to be used for ? :)
[10:33] <zyga> sladen: make an API for that :)
[10:33] <zyga> sivang: right now there is NO logo for thunderbird
[10:33] <mgalvin> sivang thunderbird/about thunderbir
[10:34] <sivang> ah, logos are important
[10:35] <mgalvin> i have two make so far, almost done with a third, will post links in a few min
[10:37] <zyga> k, thanks :)
[10:43] <sladen> zyga: is it a trademark or a copyright issue?
[10:43] <zyga> sladen: the former
[10:44] <zyga> sladen: check the moz website, there is a detailed explanation
[10:44] <sladen> zyga: it was a rhetorical question :)
[10:44] <zyga> sladen: but generally it's exactly the same thing as with redhat's icon
[10:44] <zyga> didn't seem like one
[10:44] <sladen> I'm too subtle :)
[11:01] <mgalvin> zyga: http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/artwork/thunderbird1.svg, http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/artwork/thunderbird2.svg, http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/artwork/thunderbird3.svg
[11:02] <mgalvin> but these might not suck *too* bad
[11:02] <neuralis> mgalvin: they're very nice.
[11:02] <zyga> mgalvin: looking
[11:03] <mgalvin> neuralis: thanks :)
[11:03] <zyga> hmm
[11:03] <zyga> is it just me or does firefox just display a small fraction of those images
[11:03] <mgalvin> open them in inkscape
[11:03] <zyga> k
[11:04] <zyga> actually nautilus does too ...
[11:04] <mgalvin> i rush a bit b/c i gotta run... the page size is small
[11:04] <mgalvin> so ff/naut is not showing it b/c the image is to big for the page
[11:04] <mgalvin> inkspace will display them properly
[11:05] <zyga> I see them
[11:05] <zyga> very nice
[11:05] <zyga> I'll talk to proper people to get them promoted :)
[11:05] <zyga> mgalvin: could you send me some info about yourself?
[11:06] <zyga> and license the images approprietly
[11:06] <zyga> s/asfdgdgfd/correctly/ :-)
[11:07] <mgalvin> zyga: cool, thanks, Matt Galvin, i write those DapperFlight overviews, on the doc team, blah blah...
[11:08] <mgalvin> anyhow i gotta run, should be back on irc i around 30 min or so, ttyl
[11:08] <zyga> mgalvin: thanks, bye
[11:29] <hunger> Hmmm... konqui displays those svg images properly if they are rescaled to fit into the page frame in inkscape.
[11:32] <zyga> hunger: ack, they are larger than declard canvass
[11:59] <sivang> night all