[12:08] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[12:12] <lucas> anyone here ready for a tetrinet game ? ;)
[12:30] <raphink> oh i've totally forgotten about the TB tonight :s
[12:32] <_jason> is this tertrinet game open to everyone?
[12:55] <sebest_> what is the usefullness of debian/dirs file?
[12:57] <crimsun> it's used by debhelper to create subdirectories in the package build
[12:58] <sebest_> crimsum, ah
[12:58] <sebest_> because i use install -D
[12:58] <sebest_> -D create the destination dir
[12:59] <sebest_> i shouldn't use -D and put this directory in "dirs" ?
[12:59] <crimsun> whichever way works for you
[12:59] <sebest_> both way are ok?
[01:00] <sebest_> ok, thanx, i'll leave it like this as it's working
[01:11] <Lathiat> sebest_: can also be usefull to include blank dirs for whatever reason
[01:13] <sebest_> Lathiat: i'm trying to conver mezcalero RFP, into an ITP
[01:13] <sebest_> convert
[01:14] <Lathiat> RFP for?
[01:14] <sebest_> can i use ubuntu's reportbug, to access debian's BTS?
[01:14] <sebest_> RFP for mod_dnssd
[01:14] <Lathiat> sebest_: i think so
[01:15] <Lathiat> keep in mind, iirc, you can only ITP if your a DD
[01:15] <sebest_> ah
[01:15] <Lathiat> but you could get someone to sponsor, or perhaps use it to become a dd? :)
[01:15] <sebest_> because i did the package
[01:15] <sebest_> but i'm not DD
[01:16] <sebest_> Lathiat, could you have a quick look at it?
[01:16] <sebest_> http://sebest.ovibes.com:8000/
[01:17] <sebest_> it's my first package, but i did it carefully reading the docs
[01:17] <Lathiat> sure
[01:18] <sebest_> thanx
[01:18] <azeem> Lathiat: everybody can file an ITP, one does not need to be a DD
[01:18] <Lathiat> azeem: really?
[01:18] <Lathiat> hrm i read differently somewhere
[01:18] <sebest_> azeem: i followed the following docs: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1
[01:19] <azeem> lifeless: whoa!
[01:19] <sebest_> but issueing "reportbug  wnpp" doesn't give me the same output as in the example
[01:20] <azeem> sebest_: you might have to specify bts=debian or something in the config
[01:20] <lifeless> azeem: yeah, took its time
[01:20] <lifeless> azeem: but we can now do the guis and the plugins
[01:22] <azeem> coincidently, I've been very busy with uni the last weeks, but should have more time from today on
[01:29] <Kyral> Damn LaserJock
[01:29] <Kyral> I was working on his specialty
[01:33] <Lathiat> sebest_: need to build-dep lynx
[01:34] <sebest_> ah
[01:34] <sebest_> yes
[01:34] <Lathiat> (pbuilder is good)
[01:38] <sebest_> i didn't know pbuilder
[01:38] <sebest_> i fixed the missing build-dep
[01:38] <sebest_> any other issue?
[01:39] <sebest_> hey lathiat, today i saw a demonstration of XGL!
[01:39] <sebest_> Novell was demoing it
[01:40] <sebest_> it's quite really impressive
[01:45] <Lathiat> sebest_: where are you?
[01:46] <sebest_> i'm here
[01:46] <sebest_> in paris
[01:50] <Lathiat> sebest_: i've been finding it nice not to depend on avahi-daemon (since e.g. i like to use my svn version)
[01:51] <sebest_> yes but the package must depend on it
[01:52] <Lathiat> sebest_: mod_dnssd.load has an error
[01:52] <Lathiat> sebest_: says mono_dnssd
[01:52] <Lathiat> sebest_: should be mod_dnssd
[01:52] <sebest_> ah ues
[01:52] <sebest_> yes
[01:53] <raphink> what are the rules to add packages to backports ?
[01:53] <orion_fr_24> here i am
[01:53] <raphink> cool ;)
[01:54] <raphink> siretart: do you know what are the rules to add packages to backports ?
[01:54] <raphink> siretart: backporting pureadmin to breezy fixes a major bug
[01:55] <raphink> everybody sleeping here ? :p
[01:55] <crimsun> raphink: ask Mez
[01:55] <raphink> ok
[01:55] <Kyral> Since I'm not gettin' an answer anywhere else
[01:55] <raphink> Mez: what are the rules to backport stuff to breezy?
[01:56] <Kyral> does anacron take care of my personal crontab?
[01:56] <raphink> Mez: backporting pureadmin to breezy fixes a major bug
[01:56] <raphink> ty crimsun ;)
[01:57] <Mez> raphink: 1) it builds from dapper 2) it doesnt break 3) it works 4) it doesnt break everything else
[01:57] <raphink> Mez: exactly, don't worry i've checked ;)
[01:57] <Kyral> meh no one knows lol
[01:57] <raphink> Mez: i've just ported it on orion_fr_24's comp
[01:57] <raphink> it's even debhelper compat 4
[01:58] <orion_fr_24> yep he did
[01:58] <raphink> so it builds without even a change in debian/
[01:58] <raphink> Mez: the current pureadmin in breezy is incompatible with pure-ftpd
[01:58] <raphink> malone 3349
[01:58] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3349 in pureadmin "pureadmin package outdated" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3349
[01:58] <raphink> backporting 0.3 from dapper fixes this bug
[01:59] <raphink> your opinion Mez ?
[01:59] <sebest_> Lathiat, thanx i think i fix it
[02:00] <Mez> raphink: email case for the backport and logs of build and stuff to ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com and it'll be looked at
[02:01] <raphink> Mez: you want the debdiff and buildlog ?
[02:01] <Mez> debdiff ?
[02:01] <raphink> just the buildlog ?
[02:01] <raphink> :)
[02:01] <Mez> why a debdiff?
[02:02] <raphink> hmm just in case there are things to change to backport it, but it's nto the case actually
[02:02] <raphink> hehe
[02:02] <raphink> *blush*
[02:02] <Mez> well - if it doesnt work from dapper sources
[02:02] <Mez> it doesnt get backported
[02:02] <Mez> simple as
[02:02] <raphink> it does work
[02:02] <Mez> unless the changes are fixed in dapper
[02:02] <raphink> ok understood ;)
[02:02] <Mez> hence why we're having lots of fun trying to backport kde
[02:02] <Mez> :D
[02:02] <raphink> so I juts send the buildlog attached to the email to ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com
[02:02] <raphink> hehe I guess ;)
[02:03] <Mez> and a use case for backporting (why you want it backported!)
[02:03] <Mez> but pretty much yeah
[02:03] <Mez> I mean it'll be checked anyways :D
[02:03] <Mez> but always better to have stuff there too
[02:03] <raphink> ok
[02:05] <Mez> (oh, and subscribing first or using an @ubuntu.com email address is preferred! makes me not have to approve the post!)
[02:05] <raphink> hehe ok :)
[02:07] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:07] <crimsun> 'afternoon, ajmitch
[02:54] <raphink> Mez: need approval for the email cause body too big :'(
[02:54] <raphink> booh
[02:56] <Kyral> bddebian!!
[02:56] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[06:39] <LaserJock_> hmm, I wonder why there are two of me :(
[09:28] <Tonio_> morning everyone
[09:31] <lifeless> ajmitch: so, can we pull *new* packages into universe ?
[09:47] <ajmitch> lifeless: yep
[09:47] <ajmitch> it'll probably require begging elmo
[09:48] <lifeless> opensync got through new
[09:49] <ajmitch> yeah, that's great to have in sid, finally
[09:49] <dholbach> good morning!
[09:49] <ajmitch> hi daniel
[09:49] <dholbach> heya andrew
[10:00] <Tonio_> morning dholbach
[10:01] <dholbach> hey Tonio_
[10:21] <siretart> ajmitch: wasn't gooby supposed to support avahi? why does it not show up in my service discovery applet?
[10:21] <ajmitch> yes
[10:22] <Lathiat> gobby only supports howl afaik
[10:22] <Lathiat> someone made some dapper packages
[10:22] <ajmitch> because s-d-a only shows the configured services
[10:22] <Lathiat> for the howl compat layer
[10:22] <Lathiat> that too
[10:22] <Lathiat> gobby in dapper still doesnt depend on avahi tho
[10:22] <siretart> ah, ok. thanks
[10:22] <Lathiat> try avahi-browse _lobby._tcp
[10:22] <ajmitch> siretart: Lathiat knows better than I ;)
[10:22] <Lathiat> i doubt it sthere but
[10:23] <siretart> Lathiat: what about ssh? how to I make the sshd easily pop up in s-d-a?
[10:23] <Lathiat> copy th eexample service file from /usr/share/doc/avahi-daemon to /etc/avahi/services
[10:25] <siretart> and restart avahi, I assume
[10:25] <Lathiat> only need to reload
[10:25] <Lathiat> avahi-daemon -r
[10:25] <Lathiat> or init.d/avahi reload might work, dunno
[10:25] <ajmitch> Lathiat: settled back to perth time yet? :)
[10:26] <Lathiat> yeh
[10:26] <Lathiat> oddly enough
[10:26] <Lathiat> well
[10:26] <Lathiat> somewhat
[10:26] <Lathiat> :)
[10:26] <ajmitch> probably because you don't have a real sleeping pattern :)
[10:26] <StevenK> Heh.
[10:26] <Lathiat> sleeping pattern? ;)
[10:26] <ajmitch> so going to bed at 5am is 'normal'
[10:26] <siretart> Lathiat: ok nice. what is howl? is there a faq for that somewhere?
[10:26] <Lathiat> howl is another implementation of mdns/dns-sd (the protocol avahi speaks)
[10:26] <ogra> ajmitch, sure it is
[10:27] <ajmitch> ogra: for some people :)
[10:27] <Lathiat> which is obviously inferior!
[10:27] <ogra> heh
[10:27] <StevenK> ajmitch: While your up there, see if the case I ordered is still up there.
[10:27] <cain_> lol
[10:27] <StevenK> s/your/you're/
[10:27] <siretart> Lathiat: ok. so, if I want to advertise services like gobby or ekiga, what is the local admin supposed to do? create these funny xml files in /etc/avahi/services and done?
[10:28] <Lathiat> siretart: ekiga has support for avahi itself
[10:28] <Lathiat> as in, the program registers the service at runtime
[10:28] <ajmitch> StevenK: sure
[10:28] <Lathiat> gobby should too, altho only has support for the howl api atm
[10:28] <StevenK> It should be here tomorrow. Hopefully.
[10:28] <Lathiat> and its hard to static service that since its a random port iirc
[10:28] <ajmitch> StevenK: I'll probably be up there for 2-3 weeks :)
[10:29] <siretart> Lathiat: I told s-d-a to display local services as well, but ekiga doesnt show up
[10:29] <ajmitch> heh
[10:29] <ajmitch> why so friendly?
[10:29] <Lathiat> siretart: s-d-a probably doesnt know about sip services?
[10:29] <Lathiat> siretart: try avahi-discover
[10:29] <StevenK> (Which is what I'm planning on calling it)
[10:29] <ajmitch> nice
[10:29] <StevenK> (My file server)
[10:29] <siretart> avahi-discover finds it..
[10:30] <ajmitch> StevenK: > 1TB?
[10:30] <Lathiat> siretart: s-d-a only shows certain services it knows how to launch
[10:30] <StevenK> ajmitch: I wish.
[10:30] <Lathiat> siretart: i think you can configure it, try right click?
[10:30] <StevenK> steven@broken:~% df -h | grep nfs
[10:30] <StevenK> nfs:/home/steven       29G   15G   13G  55% /media/infected
[10:30] <StevenK> nfs:/srv/media        429G  369G   61G  86% /media/media
[10:30] <ajmitch> StevenK: that's not much, you can get that with 1 drive these days
[10:30] <ajmitch> now if I filled up the 15 drive bays with 500GB drives..
[10:31] <siretart> Lathiat: ah, I added the service types to s-d-a, and they instantly  popped up. nice
[10:31] <Lathiat> so i just got a CC and the tempt to guy buy a nice new system with lots of disk is big :)
[10:31] <Lathiat> siretart: :)
[10:31] <Lathiat> must.. resist. :)
[10:32] <Lathiat> 320s seem to be at a good price point
[10:32] <ajmitch> StevenK: pvmove!
[10:32] <ajmitch> either 250 or 320 seems to be the best price per GB now
[10:32] <Lathiat> 320 if you get wholesale
[10:32] <Lathiat> last check
[10:32] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:32] <ajmitch> I'm looking at putting in a couple of SATA drives
[10:32] <StevenK> hdg: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[10:32] <StevenK> hdg: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
[10:32] <StevenK> Hrrrrrrm
[10:33] <ajmitch> nasty
[10:33] <Lathiat> oops
[10:33] <Lathiat> careful, it might get scared
[10:33] <ajmitch> a good incentive was seeing bulging, leaky caps on the current motherboard
[10:33] <ajmitch> :P
[10:33] <ajmitch> probably just a 4200+
[10:34] <ajmitch> put in 4GB RAM
[10:34] <Lathiat> in a coolermaster stacker (biig case top down with 5.25" slots, takes 3x5.25->4x3.5" convertors
[10:34] <Lathiat> fill it upp :)
[10:34] <Lathiat> (over time, ofc, i cant afford that much disk at once :)
[10:34] <ajmitch> how many drives?
[10:34] <Lathiat> i'm getting towards being able to afford the base system tho
[10:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch: 12, i think you can fit 16 if you hack the top bit
[10:34] <Lathiat> each convertor has a 120mm fan on the front
[10:34] <ajmitch> this case has 9 3.5" bays, another 6 5.25"
[10:34] <ajmitch> nice :)
[10:34] <Lathiat> nice
[10:35] <ajmitch> I think 15 drives might be a little noisy
[10:35] <Lathiat> said case also has a nifty 'cross-flow' fan that blows underneath the motherboard
[10:35] <StevenK> The case being shipped down from Brissy is a SFF case - 1 5.25" and 1 each internal and external 3.5"
[10:36] <ajmitch> Lathiat: this one is second-hand, from a friend who was willing to sell it cheap
[10:36] <ajmitch> 2 80mm fans down front, right in front of 6 3.5" drive bays
[10:36] <ajmitch> so the air blows through all the drives
[10:37] <ajmitch> and 2 in back, right beside the cpu heatsink
[10:37] <Lathiat> http://www.systemcooling.com/cm_stacker-02.html
[10:37] <ajmitch> nice, you bought this, or just dreaming of it?
[10:38] <Lathiat> you can hack the top bay out to make another 3 bays and fit a 4th convertor in
[10:38] <Lathiat> ajmitch: going to get
[10:38] <Lathiat> its only $225 or so
[10:38] <Lathiat> not insanely expensive
[10:38] <ajmitch> good price for it
[10:38] <Lathiat> hunting around for a good motherboard
[10:39] <Lathiat> http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=stc-t01
[10:41] <ajmitch> I think a 4200+ X2 ought to be adequate for compiling
[10:41] <ajmitch> not too expensive
[10:41] <Lathiat> $569 retail
[10:41] <Lathiat> not bad
[10:41] <Lathiat> thats what i'd get
[10:41] <Lathiat> its at the sweet price point
[10:42] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:42] <ajmitch> a bit over $600 NZ here
[10:42] <Lathiat> wonder what i can get it at work for
[10:43] <ajmitch> get one for me ;)
[10:43] <Lathiat> i'll let you know, keep in mind shipping tho
[10:43] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:43] <ajmitch> aus->nz usually isn't too bad
[10:43] <Lathiat> i can get $569 - 3% at least
[10:43] <Lathiat> work will probably be better
[10:45] <ajmitch> about $606 NZ
[10:46] <ajmitch> I think I was looking at $630 to get one here
[10:46] <Lathiat> prob
[10:46] <Lathiat> what can you get it locally for?
[10:46] <ajmitch> hm, it wasn't $630
[10:47] <ajmitch> it was $695
[10:47] <ajmitch> so even if shipping was $20 it'd be worth it
[10:47] <Lathiat> ah
[10:47] <Lathiat> nice
[10:48] <ajmitch> I might have to check out australian prices while I'm over there & once I get the money
[10:49] <jsgotangco> jetsetter
[10:49] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: i'm going there for work
[10:50] <ajmitch> you can hardly talk :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> flying all over the place, doing the conference celebrity gig
[10:50] <Lathiat> oh?
[10:50] <Lathiat> whatcha doing?
[10:50] <ajmitch> Lathiat: just some coding
[10:50] <ajmitch> since it's dealing with some specific hardware it's easiest for me to fly there
[10:51] <Lathiat> ah fun
[10:51] <Lathiat> i wonder how pascals flying limo ride went
[10:51] <ajmitch> ?
[10:51] <Lathiat> didn't hear about that?
[10:51] <ajmitch> nope
[10:51] <Lathiat> mark flew pascal klein back to canberra
[10:51] <ajmitch> nice
[10:51] <Lathiat> pascal was this 16yo guy
[10:51] <Lathiat> does ubuntu art team
[10:51] <ajmitch> yeah I know
[10:51] <Lathiat> got sponsored to goto lca winnign some price from linux.conf.au
[10:51] <Lathiat> ah
[10:51] <Lathiat> cool
[10:52] <ajmitch> everyone else knows too
[10:52] <Lathiat> knows what?
[10:52] <ajmitch> remember the conference close?
[10:52] <Lathiat> ah, yeh
[10:52] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, do tell
[10:54] <Lathiat> pascal seems pretty cool, reminds me of me a couple years back
[10:54] <Lathiat> a little annoying but potentially usefull :)
[10:54] <ajmitch> a little too eager at times :)
[10:54] <Lathiat> stuff like that can be fairly encouraging
[10:54] <ajmitch> sure
[10:54] <Burgundavia> 16yo and not eager would worry me
[10:54] <Lathiat> (flying on canonical 1)
[10:54] <Lathiat> alot of people di dthings for me when i was younger
[10:54] <Lathiat> so i know what its like
[10:54] <Lathiat> i mean, no one ever flew me on canonical 1
[10:54] <Lathiat> but yeh
[10:54] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:55] <Lathiat> i have managed to be paid for to goto lca for the 3rd year running
[10:55] <Lathiat> i need to come up with a new project so i can go for the fourth
[10:55] <jsgotangco> i'll see it later but won't ride it though
[10:55] <ajmitch> cheapskate
[10:55] <Burgundavia> how did you scam that?
[10:55] <Lathiat> or get a (male) conference organisers obsessed with me again
[10:55] <Lathiat> maybe jeff likes me :)
[10:55] <ajmitch> haha
[10:55] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: well, in lca2003, it was in my home city
[10:55] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:55] <ajmitch> that would be worrying
[10:55] <Lathiat> and i helped organise, so free rego
[10:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch: it happened in 04
[10:55] <Lathiat> then in 04
[10:55] <ajmitch> very worrying :)
[10:56] <Lathiat> i was running the ipv6 mini conf
[10:56] <Lathiat> which was the "reason" i was paid for
[10:56] <Lathiat> but i think the guy organising it liked me a little too much for my personal tastes
[10:56] <Lathiat> (which he later indicated clearly, altho he was somewhat drunk on both occasions)
[10:56] <ajmitch> haha
[10:56] <Lathiat> then in 2005 i won the RDP (sun pays for 1 person from each state)
[10:56] <Lathiat> then this year i was doing a talk and got travel assistance
[10:59] <Burgundavia> the sad reality of where I live is that almost no tech conferences happen north of Oregon
[10:59] <ajmitch> all we have around here is LCA :)
[11:00] <Burgundavia> sivang, I leave tomorrow morning, in about 4 hours
[11:00] <ajmitch> and who really wants to hear boring old hackers like linus come & talk? :)
[11:00] <sivang> Burgundavia: yeah, already heared that , good for you :)
[11:00] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: where are you off to now?
[11:00] <sivang> ajmitch: are you sponsered to go to LCA by the hardware vendor you're writing stuff for?
[11:01] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, Toronto, Ontario Library conference
[11:01] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, corporate jetsetter
[11:01] <ajmitch> sivang: certainly not
[11:01] <ajmitch> sivang: LCA was in dunedin, where I live
[11:01] <Burgundavia> if I owned a suit, I would even get to where that
[11:01] <Burgundavia> s/where/wear
[11:01] <ajmitch> and this job is after LCA :)
[11:01] <sivang> yeah, jsgotangco , well spoken
[11:01] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: a suit? nasty
[11:01] <sivang> ajmitch: what type of hardware is that going to be ?
[11:02] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I do sales now. I am one of those nasty suits that techs talk about
[11:02] <raphink> huhu
[11:02] <raphink> sales
[11:02] <sivang> yeah, but although techs like to talk about them, they stay in office, while those sales people travel al over
[11:03] <Burgundavia> the ones who call you and say "I just promised X. You can deliver that, right?"
[11:03] <ajmitch> sivang: just some little devices to go in vans, etc
[11:03] <ajmitch> I'm not entirely clear on the specs
[11:03] <ajmitch> I've got to read more of the provided docs :)
[11:03] <sivang> ajmitch: hehe :)
[11:03] <sivang> ajmitch: sounds pretty cool. poking in the inner belly of hardware is always interesting.
[11:03] <sivang> ajmitch: is this arm/risc based?
[11:04] <sivang> (/me is thinking about GPS stuff)
[11:05] <sivang> anyway my dear mates, gotta catch something to eat. Laters
[11:29] <Lathiat> ajmitch: hrm, works supplier is actually slightly more expensive than that price from nintek.com.au
[11:32] <ajmitch> heh
[11:33] <ajmitch> some of those prices are impressively cheaper though
[11:34] <Lathiat> actually
[11:34] <Lathiat> i lie
[11:34] <Lathiat> i was looking at the 4400
[11:35] <ajmitch> ah
[11:35] <ajmitch> what price for the 4200?
[11:35] <Lathiat> oh
[11:35] <Lathiat> no i wasnt
[11:35] <Lathiat> i lie
[11:35] <ajmitch> stop lying!
[11:35] <Lathiat> i cant help it
[11:35] <Lathiat> nintek seems to have the cheapest prie anywhere
[11:36] <ajmitch> yeah, but shipping would probably be cheaper from an east coast supplier
[11:37] <Lathiat> staticice.com.au only shows 1 other place at that price
[11:38] <ajmitch> pricespy.co.nz shows a few cheaper than the site I was looking at here
[11:46] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I see that shipping costs will probably make it a bit steep
[11:46] <ajmitch> the preferred retailer I use has free shipping within NZ
[11:56] <dholbach> crimsun: could you and janimo get the changelog-diff and diffstat of exo and thunar on the mailing list as well?
[12:16] <pef> hello
[12:16] <pef> dholbach: are you around ?
[12:17] <dholbach> yes
[12:17] <pef> dholbach: how are you ? :)
[12:17] <ajmitch> night all
[12:18] <dholbach> pef: could be better - the distro team sprint is full of sick people and I feel quite tired myself
[12:18] <Lathiat> blame NZ? :)
[12:18] <pef> :/ hope you won't be ill too
[12:19] <dholbach> pef: ++ - I hope that too. :-)
[12:19] <pef> dholbach: you have main upload rights, isn't it ?
[12:19] <dholbach> Yes.
[12:21] <pef> dholbach: ekiga (old gnomemeeting) is currently broken, libopal.so.2: cannot open shared object file, the fix is to simply rebuild it :)
[12:21] <pef> error at startup
[12:22] <dholbach> I will look into it. I got around 10 bug reports about that already.
[12:22] <Lathiat> aha
[12:22] <dholbach> I'm not entirely convinced, that a rebuild will fix it, I'll look into it later today.
[12:22] <dholbach> There was a whole new GNOME, which I'm currently tending.
[12:22] <dholbach> 2.13.90
[12:24] <pef> a rebuild in my dapper chroot solved the problem, I can use it
[12:25] <dholbach> what does   apt-cache show ekiga | grep opal   say?
[12:26] <dholbach> pef: ^
[12:28] <pef> dholbach: nothing
[12:28] <pef> missing bdepends ?
[12:28] <dholbach> No.
[12:28] <dholbach> Then a rebuild doesn't fix it.
[12:28] <dholbach> I suppose (as I said in one of the bug reports), that it's a missing library symlink, so that shlibs doesn't pick it up.
[12:31] <pef> ok :)
[12:31] <pef> another question, is the method to correct bugs in n-x packages (Breezy, Hoary) documented somewhere ?
[12:32] <dholbach> I don't understand.
[12:33] <pef> if I want to correct a bug in a Breezy package, how should I proceed ?
[12:34] <Lathiat> pef: generally, you dont
[12:34] <Lathiat> pef: whats the nature of the bug?
[12:34] <pef> Lathiat: broken package, for example
[12:35] <Lathiat> pef: define broken
[12:35] <pef> Lathiat: uninstallable package because of missing dependencies
[12:36] <dholbach> What do you do to fix it?
[12:36] <dholbach> The less meddling in the stable release (even via updates) the better.
[12:37] <pef> so only security fixes are allowed ?
[12:42] <raphink> current state of the MOTUWiki organization : http://revu.tauware.de/~raphink/MOTUWiki.png
[12:42] <raphink> there is still quite a lot to do, but it's getting in shape :D
[12:43] <raphink> any comment/suggestion is welcome :)
[12:43] <raphink> or quite any ;)
[02:44] <Yagisan> Fuddl: ping
[02:44] <Fuddl> Yagisan: pong
[02:44] <Fuddl> yepp?
[02:45] <Yagisan> Fuddl: you packaged nexiuz on revu ? I can't find a .orig @ http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1592
[02:46] <Fuddl> Yagisan: oeh.... really?!? *panic* gimme a second!
[02:47] <Fuddl> ... i thought i uploaded a fixed versoin. stay tuned ;)
[02:47] <Yagisan> Fuddl: I didn't see one. I felt like playing a game and just when to grab a copy and was 1 file short
[02:47] <Fuddl> whoops, i didn't
[02:48] <Fuddl> Yagisan: i'll fix it.
[02:48] <Yagisan> Fuddl: no worries :)
[02:48] <Fuddl> too late, i'm worrying :)
[02:50] <Fuddl> ok, dput is uploading the .orig.tar.gz atm
[02:50] <Fuddl> [x]  done
[02:52] <Yagisan> Fuddl: thanks, now to play a game that isn't doom ;)
[02:52] <Fuddl> Yagisan: have fun :)
[02:53] <Fuddl> Yagisan: don't forget to dpkg -i nexuiz-data before nexuiz
[02:54] <Yagisan> Fuddl: it looks like my pet project (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=483) is closer to coming into ubuntu, finally seeing correctly licensed or replacxed files appearing in cvs :)
[03:28] <Se7h> is motu planning on uploading pymedia to the repo ?
[04:52] <phanatic> hi people
[04:55] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic
[04:56] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[05:07] <phanatic> dear masters, if anybody has the time, please have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1628 raphink has already accepted it. thanks for your help!
[05:13] <dholbach> dear phanatic, if a bug is in launchpad and somebody has accepted it, it's likely that somebody will take care of it.
[05:13] <phanatic> dholbach: it's not a bug in launchpad, but a package waiting for review on revu
[05:14] <dholbach> ah ok, sorry then
[05:14] <phanatic> np :)
[05:16] <zul> heylo
[05:49] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1635 feedback, feedback, I'd like to see some feedback ;-)
[05:50] <jpatrick> apachelogger: ok, calm down... ;)
[05:50] <apachelogger> well, my first package in revu :D
[05:51] <jpatrick> apachelogger: Conflicts: kblogger ?
[05:51] <apachelogger> old package is called kblogger
[05:51] <apachelogger> and I renamed the thing to kicker-kblogger
[05:52] <jpatrick> there is no kblogger in the repos...
[05:52] <apachelogger> but a user might have it installed ;-)
[05:52] <apachelogger> remove?
[05:52] <jpatrick> btw no new lines at the end of lines..
[05:52] <apachelogger> ok
[05:53] <jpatrick> "kblogger (0.4-0ubuntu1) unstable; urgency=low" should be 'dapper'
[05:53] <jpatrick> and I think the lastest dephelper is: debhelper (>= 5.0.0)
[05:56] <apachelogger> :) fixed that stuff
[05:59] <apachelogger> ah, ok :)
[06:01] <jpatrick> did you dput the fixes?
[06:01] <apachelogger> I'm currently uploading the stuff
[06:02] <jpatrick> cool
[06:02] <apachelogger> jpatrick: it's up
[06:11] <jpatrick> apachelogger: sorry I meant that there should be a new line at the end of the files - otherwise it's fine to me
[06:11] <apachelogger> *readd*
[06:11] <Gloubiboulga> apachelogger, there are some other minor issues
[06:12] <apachelogger> jpatrick: thx :-)
[06:12] <apachelogger> Gloubiboulga: just tell
[06:12] <Gloubiboulga> compat should be 5
[06:13] <apachelogger> I never got the point of compat, what is that file for?
[06:13] <Gloubiboulga> your description lines should be shorter (<=80)
[06:14] <jpatrick> apachelogger: dpkg scripts
[06:14] <jpatrick> tells them how to behave
[06:14] <jpatrick> ...or something
[06:15] <Gloubiboulga> apachelogger, your changelog should only contain 1 entry
[06:15] <Gloubiboulga> and not describe what you've change in the debian dir
[06:15] <apachelogger> jpatrick: "This file states the compatibility level with debhelper. Debhelper has gone through numerous revisions, some of which break compatibility, you can use the compat number to specify the debhelper revision that your package needs or supports."
[06:16] <Gloubiboulga> it's the first release, so nothing has changed since the previous one ;)
[06:16] <apachelogger> ah ok ;-)
[06:17] <Gloubiboulga> and I don't really know cdbs, but i'm not sure that the .nstall file is usefull
[06:17] <apachelogger> well, without it would probably put the stuff in kblogger instead of kicker-kblogger
[06:17] <apachelogger> ...I think adept does it the same way
[06:20] <Gloubiboulga> hum... I don't want say stupid things, so better ask a MOTU for this
[06:20] <apachelogger> ok
[06:22] <Gloubiboulga> in the copyright file, syntax is usually "Copyright: (C) YYYY author <mail@foo>"
[06:22] <Gloubiboulga> and the debian file could be /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2, since the sources are under this license
[06:25] <Gloubiboulga> I'm building the package in pbuilder :)
[06:28] <Gloubiboulga> apachelogger, there is also a lintian warning
[06:28] <Gloubiboulga> you can easily go through it I think
[06:28] <apachelogger> ok
[06:29] <Gloubiboulga> hum, bad news, the package doesn't build in a clean chroot
[06:30] <apachelogger> not good :|
[06:30] <Gloubiboulga> nop
[06:34] <Gloubiboulga> apacheLAGger, you've also renamed the sources dir before tar.gzipping it, I don't think that's necessary
[06:36] <apachelogger> Gloubiboulga: how do you mean?
[06:37] <Gloubiboulga> the sources dir provided by upstream is named 'kblogger', and the one in orig.tar.gz is named 'kblogger-0.4'
[06:37] <apachelogger> ah, yeah
[06:37] <apachelogger> not needed?
[06:37] <Gloubiboulga> don't think so
[06:37] <apachelogger> ok
[06:38] <Gloubiboulga> maybe you should read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonPackagingMistakes/ChangingTheOrigTarball
[06:38] <Gloubiboulga> the wiki is full of usefull tips ! :)
[06:38] <apachelogger> and very spreaded, needs time to get through ;-)
[07:26] <dholbach> MOTU REPORT TIME!
[07:27] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReport/Draft
[07:27] <tseng> dholbach!
[07:28] <dholbach> ah no, it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Report/Draft :-)
[07:28] <dholbach> tseng: !
[07:34] <crimsun> dholbach: (RE: exo & thunar) I'll try, extremely busy today and won't be able to make the MOTU meeting
[07:35] <dholbach> Ok.
[07:35] <dholbach> Don't worry.
[07:47] <Riddell> I wonder if posting to debian-policy from an @ubuntu.com address is a good idea
[07:49] <dholbach> Riddell: I think it is.
[08:53] <sistpoty> hi folks
[08:53] <jpatrick> hello sistpoty
[08:54] <lucas> MOTU meeting in 5 mins on #ubuntu-meetings
[08:54] <lucas> #ubuntu-meeting sorry
[08:59] <Gloubiboulga> hey sistpoty
[08:59] <sistpoty> hi Gloubiboulga
[08:59] <Gloubiboulga> thanks for the review, I'm working on it
[09:00] <sistpoty> :)
[09:05] <phlaegel> any of the service-discovery-applet authors around?
[10:36] <khanreaper> list
[10:37] <khanreaper> f
[11:03] <phanatic> hi people
[11:04] <Kyral> yo
[11:04] <cyberix> lo people
[11:04] <cyberix> oy
[11:07] <Kyral> EasyChem wound up in Sid Main?
[11:07] <ajmitch> Kyral: why wouldn't it?
[11:08] <Kyral> Dunno..I'm used to Main being like Ubuntu Main, then again I was just about to ask the difference between Main and Contrib
[11:08] <ajmitch> right
[11:08] <ajmitch> as a debian maintainer you ought to know these differences :)
[11:08] <Kyral> yah yah I know :D
[11:08] <Kyral> Non-Free is obviously like Multiverse
[11:08] <lucas> "main" are free packages.
[11:09] <lucas> "contrib" are free packages which depend on non-free stuff
[11:09] <phanatic> omg, i'm sooo hungry, and it's 11pm here :(
[11:09] <Kyral> ah
[11:17] <meG> hi there :)
[12:01] <Fudge> hi can anyone suggest a good software pacakge to use for running quotas/throttling/ftp/http stuff