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[04:53] <Lord_Athur> hi all
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[08:00] <DeMoNSeEd> hello
[08:00] <DeMoNSeEd> anyone around
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[11:24] <Infinity-1> Hello?
[11:26] <jsgotangco> hi there :)
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[12:23] <mhz> JaneW: hi there
[12:23] <mhz> JaneW: got a minute?
[12:24] <JaneW> mhz: hello ... yes
[12:25] <mhz> JaneW: As you already noticed, I had problems to do the meeting's minute and when I wanted to do it, I really had no clue what to add regarding technical part :(
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[12:28] <mhz> JaneW: on a different matter, I sent an email to Mark on tuesday, regarding the event and tour we are planning here, is it ok if I send it to you too, so you can 'maybe' have him read it soon and give us answer?
[12:33] <JaneW> mhz: yes sure
[12:34] <JaneW> mhz: we were discussing using moin for the edubuntu web site yesterday btw...
[12:34] <JaneW> thought you may be happy to hear that
[12:34] <mhz> heheheheh
[12:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i got to meet Hande at last
[12:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: cool, I haven't!
[12:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: got pics?
[12:35] <jsgotangco> she's stunning
[12:35] <mhz> JaneW: moin makes me happy, yes, but I feel happier knowing we all are using something we can really work on and fits all our needs
[12:35] <JaneW> jsgotangco: how's it going? / gone?
[12:35] <JaneW> jsgotangco: really? PICS!
[12:35] <jsgotangco> i'll upload them later
[12:35] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I'd expect no less from Mark ;)
[12:35] <jsgotangco> its in my phone
[12:35] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:35] <jsgotangco> but mark wore a suit :/
[12:36] <jsgotangco> and a golden tie...
[12:36] <mhz> JaneW: and I thought we were gonna try Drupal instead
=== mhz has not even had time to read the logs :(
[12:37] <mhz> jsgotangco: so there was a meeting! :)
[12:37] <jsgotangco> well it was a canonical trip :/
[12:38] <mhz> yeah, I should have figured JaneW whould have told us it was cancelled, otherwise we were sticking to the plan.
=== mhz slaps himself
[12:39] <jsgotangco> well
[12:39] <jsgotangco> i just stumbled on it
[12:39] <jsgotangco> i thought them being in london, we won't hvae a meeting
[12:40] <JaneW> I forgot and only popped on when I was pinged
[12:40] <JaneW> so it was pretty disjointed and impromtu
[12:40] <JaneW> sorry
[12:40] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[12:40] <jsgotangco> still good results though
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[12:41] <JaneW> heh
=== mhz hates to print info from web
[12:41] <jsgotangco> mhz, are you still pursuing open content/curriculum?
[12:41] <JaneW> the plague is still ravaging here
[12:41] <mhz> jsgotangco: ?
[12:41] <mhz> JaneW: plague? M$? disease?
[12:42] <JaneW> out of 18 only 6 of us haven't been sick... and I am very tired and lethargic.
[12:43] <jsgotangco> mhz, you said before you wanted to add some curricula stuff in edubuntu
[12:43] <mhz> JaneW: oh, vitamin C is always welcome and some herbal teas
[12:44] <jsgotangco> are you sure it wasn't sladen?? :)
[12:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:44] <JaneW> lol
[12:44] <mhz> jsgotangco: oh, yes! The tour is intended to show to teachers many of the ideas and the potential still hidden behind edubuntu community
[12:44] <JaneW> he is ot here, but normally he is the carrier of dreaded disease...
[12:45] <mhz> so they get motivated to once and for all start collaborating
[12:45] <jsgotangco> JaneW, mark told me the may conf will be in germany :/
[12:45] <JaneW> jsgotangco: this is what I have heard...
[12:45] <jsgotangco> and that he wanted to do asia for the next probably in bagalore
[12:46] <mhz> JaneW: if in germany or any other place... when should the may conf be?
[12:46] <jsgotangco> a few weeks after release
[12:46] <mhz> hmmm, first 10 days in May?
[12:46] <JaneW> mhz: yes prolly
[12:46] <JaneW> realease is set for 20 april
=== mhz turns 31 on may 9th!
[12:47] <JaneW> cvd will be planning exactly where and when
=== JaneW turns 32 on 30 April
[12:47] <mhz> wow!
=== jsgotangco turns 32 on August 28
[12:47] <mhz> THAT'S why you are so lovely!
[12:47] <JaneW> heh
[12:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: we are all pretty much the same age as Mark ;)
[12:48] <jsgotangco> except he has a billion+ and we don't
[12:48] <mhz> nah! except he has a jet
[12:48] <mhz> ;0
[12:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: but we have children! :)))
[12:48] <jsgotangco> lol
[12:49] <mhz> $ doesn't matter, as long as we are happy and our families are healthy
[12:49] <JaneW> agreed
=== mhz feels he's a liar!
[12:49] <JaneW> heh
[12:49] <jsgotangco> money money money
[12:49] <mhz> YES!!!!
[12:49] <mhz> :D
[12:49] <JaneW> amended to $ not THE most important thing...
[12:49] <jsgotangco> mark was pretty happy here from the looks of it
[12:49] <mhz> money AND healthy family :D
[12:50] <mhz> pics?
[12:50] <jsgotangco> i'll transfer it from my phone later
[12:50] <jsgotangco> (bluetooth)
[12:50] <mhz> okis
[12:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I am pleased he finally gave SE Asia a try
[12:50] <jsgotangco> but still...jeez he cut his hair and wore a suit...
[12:50] <JaneW> I suspect he will be bitten by the bug and want to keep going back...
=== jsgotangco was forced to wear something formal too...
=== JaneW needs to see the haircut
[12:51] <JaneW> he is doing Bangkok too... 
=== JaneW suspects he will discuover the joys and naughtiness of Thailand too ;)
[12:51] <jsgotangco> even if he flies in his own jet, its still tiring to do trans pacific flights
[12:52] <jsgotangco> yeah, he asked about the nightlife scene..hehehe
[12:52] <mhz> JaneW: email happily knocking on your inbox
[12:52] <JaneW> sounds like him...
[12:53] <jsgotangco> yeah
=== \sh just turned 35...and you are still so young ;)
[12:56] <jsgotangco> don't fret
[12:57] <jsgotangco> we'll all past the calendar
[12:57] <jsgotangco> :/
[12:58] <jsgotangco> 30s should be the prime of our lives :)
[12:58] <\sh> looks like I have to have a drink with ogra..he is still beating me in age :)
[12:59] <\sh> jsgotangco: yes...if you like "Hey, you are too old for this job"
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[01:00] <jsgotangco> \sh, :( don't feel so bad about it
[01:00] <mhz> actually, I get "How can I help you young man"
[01:00] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:01] <jsgotangco> that doesn't happen to me
[01:01] <jsgotangco> now they call me sir
[01:01] <jsgotangco> :(
[01:01] <mhz> \sh: but you'll never be told you are too young if your run for president, that's the good part
[01:01] <jsgotangco> lol
[01:01] <mhz> lol
[01:01] <\sh> mhz: president of what? 
[01:01] <mhz> any
[01:02] <mhz> presidents are always over 35
[01:02] <mhz> afaik
[01:02] <\sh> "The > 35ish group of jobless people in germany"?
[01:02] <mhz> LOL!!
[01:02] <mhz> \sh:  35ish group of jobless people in germany and Chile
=== mhz would vote for you
[01:03] <\sh> this president thing reminds me of "Escape from New York": "Yes, I'm the President, I knew when I took this thing, that I'm the President"
[01:04] <\sh> mhz: oh then I wish that this "\sh for president" thing will never happen :)
[01:05] <mhz> hehehe
[01:06] <mhz> \sh: but if you give a couple of good speeches to young newbies, i bet they'll follow you :D
[01:07] <\sh> mhz: well, we have a lot of jobless young people here in germany...but I don't think they will follow me, because they wouldn't understand me :)
[01:08] <mhz> oh, well, then you have big issues :p
=== mhz has been jobless for the last 3 months and everytime I get to give speeches, many young newbies want to talk to me... at least if they were girl-groupies!
[01:09] <mhz> :D
[01:09] <jsgotangco> due
[01:09] <jsgotangco> dude
[01:10] <jsgotangco> i hope you're doing those talks for a good cause :/
[01:10] <mhz> lol
[01:10] <\sh> mhz: well..best thing would be, you will get some money for the talks :
[01:10] <\sh> )
[01:10] <mhz> jsgotangco: it's good...for whom? well, that depends :D
[01:11] <jsgotangco> talks are good money especially if you do it outside your home country
[01:11] <mhz> \sh: oh, no...my wife always tells me the same thing.. "clap, clap, clap,...now make sure the claps become money"
[01:12] <mhz> well, not here, unless you are PhD on some very important subject
[01:12] <jsgotangco> mhz, "outside"
[01:12] <mhz> here = latinamerica
[01:13] <\sh> mhz: I know what you mean. right now I'm waiting for the company I did some work last week..that they pay my money...so I can pay my rent and my car and my ex+son
[01:13] <jsgotangco> ok outside Latin america
[01:13] <mhz> jsgotangco: lol
=== jsgotangco can say it based on experience
[01:13] <jsgotangco> but you really have to work hard and maitain a good reputation :/
[01:15] <mhz> \sh: well, i am not saying I feel ok with this but.. if you ever happen not to have money to pay the rent for 3 months... the 4th month you start feeling more "ok" with it :D
[01:15] <mhz> jsgotangco: good reputation? hmm, not good future ;0
[01:15] <jsgotangco> mhz, it comes later
[01:15] <\sh> mhz: well, my landlord would chase me out when I don't pay my rent this month :)
[01:17] <mhz> \sh: any chances you can exchange/trade knowledge or services instead of moeny ?
[01:17] <mhz> money
[01:18] <\sh> mhz: no...
[01:18] <mhz> well, I had to ask ;p
[01:18] <\sh> money makes it all..and only money....
[01:18] <\sh> knowledge is not valuable in germany somehow :)
[01:20] <\sh> anyways...need to do some knowledge transfer from /dev/web to /dev/brain about java and servlets and jsp stuff...cu later :)
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[01:22] <mhz> :D
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[01:24] <Infinity-1> can someone tell me howto configure loadlin to start edubuntu install from dos prompt
[01:24] <Infinity-1> Thinkpad570
[01:24] <Infinity-1> does not recognize usb cdrom
[01:24] <Infinity-1> no floppy
[01:25] <mhz> Infinity-1: you mean, you have M$ and want to install Edubuntu on that box but it can't boot form CD drive nor Floppy drive?
[01:29] <Infinity-1> right
[01:29] <Infinity-1> I can boot slax live cd from dos using loadlin included in boot folder from slax cd
[01:29] <Infinity-1> linux recognizes usb cdrom
[01:29] <mhz> Infinity-1: then, basically, you have to place a couple of files on to your C:\
[01:30] <Infinity-1> I have loadlin.exe
[01:30] <Infinity-1> and lilo.conf
[01:30] <mhz> oooohh, okis
[01:30] <Infinity-1> I need to know which device to use for my boot device
[01:30] <Infinity-1> I tried /dev/hd1
[01:30] <Infinity-1> /dev/hd0
[01:31] <Infinity-1> not sure what it is on thinkpad
[01:31] <mhz> Infinity-1: I installed Edubuntu on this laptop, with no CD drive nor floppy drive
[01:31] <Infinity-1> I get error message "not able to mount fs"
[01:31] <Infinity-1> can you email me the lilo.conf file?
[01:31] <Infinity-1> I think that is all I need
[01:31] <Infinity-1> and to copy the correct files from the edubuntu cd to the c: drive
[01:32] <Infinity-1> just.cruisin@yahoo.com
[01:32] <Infinity-1> I would greatly appreciate it
[01:32] <Infinity-1> been banging my head for 3 days now
[01:33] <mhz> Infinity-1: welll..... I dont have them any more
[01:34] <Infinity-1> hmmm ok
[01:34] <mhz> but I got them from the wiki
[01:34] <mhz> let me get the urls for you
[01:34] <mhz> please gimme a minute
[01:34] <Infinity-1> thanks!
[01:34] <Infinity-1> no worries
[01:34] <Infinity-1> take ur time
[01:35] <Infinity-1> I am working graveyard shift and want to get edubuntu working when I get home.
[01:35] <Infinity-1> how is everybody else doing?
[01:35] <Infinity-1> I received my 15 cd's in the mail for ubuntu 2 days ago
[01:35] <Infinity-1> and I have already distributed them!
[01:36] <Infinity-1> I am in BC, Canada
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[01:38] <mhz> Infinity-1: good to hear that
[01:40] <Infinity-1> I just ordered some edubuntu cd's - I have 3 kids myself and think we should start with the kids to increase the linux population
[01:42] <mhz> Infinity-1: edubuntu cd'?
[01:42] <mhz> local provider?
[01:43] <Infinity-1> I ordered it through the ubuntu site
[01:43] <Infinity-1> haven't heard back if they will do it or not
[01:43] <jsgotangco> there's no edubuntu cd yet
[01:43] <Infinity-1> I may just have to burn everyone a copy
[01:44] <jsgotangco> just download for now :)
[01:44] <Infinity-1> you can download the install cd from their wesite
[01:44] <Infinity-1> then burn it
[01:44] <jsgotangco> :)
[01:46] <Infinity-1> mhz: any luck with the urls
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[01:56] <mhz> Infinity-1: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/Netboot
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[01:57] <ogra> EEEK 
[01:57] <ogra> who wrote that ? 
[01:57] <ogra> xinetd is evil 
[01:58] <mhz> Infinity-1: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Installation/FromWindows
[01:59] <mhz> ogra: not me ;D
[01:59] <ogra> just install tftpd-hpa and dont configure anything, thats all preconfigured ...
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[02:08] <Infinity-1> thanks mhz
[02:08] <Infinity-1> I will try that in 2 hours
[02:09] <Infinity-1> when I'm off work
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[02:10] <spacey> ogra, did you ever managed to get willow+transparant proxy?
[02:12] <ogra> spacey, had no time to try ... i will put more effort into content filtering for dapper+1
[02:12] <ogra> (read that as: i want to have it as a high prio distro target for edubuntu dapper+1)
[02:13] <spacey> yeah sure
[02:13] <spacey> just wondering
[02:14] <ogra> but iirc i had it running with transparent proxying when i tested it
[02:17] <Infinity-1> mhz: if ur there thanks! gotta run. be back l8r
[02:22] <mhz_BBS> ogra: you may like this http://vybiral.info/mockup/tango-windowsXP.PNG
[02:23] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:24] <jsgotangco> nice fonts though
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[03:07] <mhz_BBS> jsgotangco: http://www.openworkshop.org/
[03:07] <mhz_BBS> moin freak site
[03:08] <jsgotangco> oh my god
[03:08] <jsgotangco> freaky moin hakcs
[03:08] <mhz_BBS> yup
[03:09] <mhz_BBS> well, except the Calendar
[03:09] <mhz_BBS> that's MoinCalendar in action
[03:10] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:10] <jsgotangco> that's pretty cool
=== jsgotangco wonders if there is wikipedia calendar
[03:10] <jsgotangco> err
[03:10] <jsgotangco> mediawiki calendar
[03:10] <mhz_BBS> hehehe
[03:11] <mhz_BBS> well, I can show you a Moin looking just like mediawiki
[03:11] <mhz_BBS> http://beta.el-directorio.org:8080/Instalando_MozEx_en_Firefox_1
[03:13] <mhz_BBS> well, that was 1.5
[03:13] <mhz_BBS> and this is 1.4 http://wiki.slec.net/wiki/Ayuda_de_uso_Zope_de_emacs
[03:16] <jsgotangco> i need mediawiki :/
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[07:56] <thefamousnomo> hello people!
[07:57] <thefamousnomo> i am having install issues with edubuntu 5.10 on hp e-vectra...
[07:57] <thefamousnomo> among other errors i am generally getting to 50% ltdp client...
[07:57] <thefamousnomo> anyone able to help?
[07:58] <thefamousnomo> anyone even here?
[07:58] <thefamousnomo> thanx
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[08:26] <mhz> re
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[08:46] <DeMoNSeEd> hello
[08:46] <DeMoNSeEd> anyone aboot?
[08:47] <DeMoNSeEd> i seem to need some help with GCompris
[08:49] <DeMoNSeEd> anyone here?
[08:50] <lucasvo> DeMoNSeEd: please ask a more specific question
[08:53] <DeMoNSeEd> first i wanted to establish if indeed there was a live body in here.......okay, i'm running Breezy on box boxes here, i installed gcompris on my wife's machine for my daughter to play, it seems to install fine, comes up okay, but when she chooses the memory games in gcompris, it comes up, what happens is, when she makes a match, gcompris kicks out totally
[08:53] <DeMoNSeEd> *both boxes
[08:55] <DeMoNSeEd> i at first thought it might have been because i also had install Childsplay in there too, so i tried installing gcompris on my box, so it's alone, i get the same thing, it kicks
[08:56] <DeMoNSeEd> she's very yoing so memory is anongst the few she can play
[08:56] <DeMoNSeEd> *young
[08:56] <lucasvo> DeMoNSeEd: sorry, I can't help you about that
[08:57] <DeMoNSeEd> k, thanks....it's kinds of a p.o
[08:58] <DeMoNSeEd> hopefully this will be fixed by the time Dapper comes out
[08:58] <DeMoNSeEd> but again, thanks for listenin
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[09:03] <mhz> DeMoNSeEd: could it be due to lack of memory?
[09:03] <DeMoNSeEd> i doubt it
[09:04] <DeMoNSeEd> i've got 512 on mine
[09:04] <mhz> oh
[09:05] <mhz> DeMoNSeEd: but are you running Edubuntu (LTSP -> client boxes ?)
[09:05] <DeMoNSeEd> it's frustrating as i knw that on other distros it works fine, but her machine runs like a dream on everything else, i had to blow off a perfectly good system due to 1 thing
[09:05] <DeMoNSeEd> nope, i'm running breezy (ubuntu) 
[09:06] <DeMoNSeEd> i apt -get gcompris
[09:06] <mhz> hmmm
[09:06] <mhz> DeMoNSeEd: apt-get install childsplay
[09:07] <DeMoNSeEd> i had asked in bunty room, but in the tradition of deb derivs, i was totally ignored till i was told, like we care about gcompris, just take it out man......that was huge help
[09:07] <mhz> and in the meantime, please run gcompris from a terminal so when it kicks out we can know WHY it does it
[09:07] <DeMoNSeEd> k, if i boot it in term it does show something about gnomecanvas
[09:08] <mhz> DeMoNSeEd: they ignored you and were not polite to you in a #ubuntu room?
[09:08] <DeMoNSeEd> and yup, i do have childsplay in there, it works like a dream, prob being it doesn't have as much to offer as gcompris
[09:09] <DeMoNSeEd> yup
[09:09] <DeMoNSeEd> i'm not new, so i am very familar with Deb folk
[09:10] <DeMoNSeEd> i deal in migrations.....57 from windass to ubuntu to date, so i'm very sensitive to such, as i advise all my converts to seek help in irc, but i digress, that another matter
[09:11] <DeMoNSeEd> gimme 5, i'll apt gcompris back into her machime, i had indeed removed it last night, i'll boot it in term and show you what it gives
[09:12] <DeMoNSeEd> k?
[09:13] <mhz> DeMoNSeEd: I would please encorage you to save that logfile, and present it to ogra or someone else. AFAIK, every channel has admins, and each admin has signed Code of Conduct 
[09:13] <DeMoNSeEd> ogra?
[09:14] <mhz> yup
[09:14] <mhz> Mr. Edubuntu
[09:16] <DeMoNSeEd> k, but it didn't happen in here, to be fair, you're being huge help, this took place in the ubuntu room proper and it's far some an isolated incident, you've brought back my faith in ubuntu a little, just by your helping here...the main room should be such
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[09:18] <DeMoNSeEd> k, brb
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[09:19] <DeMoNSeEd> this is what i get in term if i boot it from term
[09:20] <DeMoNSeEd> ** (gcompris:24366): WARNING **: config_file /home/jacqui/.gcompris/gcompris.conf
[09:20] <DeMoNSeEd> ** Message: gcompris_set_locale 'ca'
[09:20] <DeMoNSeEd> init_plugins 0.379278 sec.
[09:20] <DeMoNSeEd> gcompris_load_menus 0.415322 sec.
[09:20] <DeMoNSeEd> gcompris_load_mime_types 0.430239 sec.
[09:20] <DeMoNSeEd> __main__:1: DeprecationWarning: Module gnome.canvas is deprecated; please import gnomecanvas instead
[09:20] <DeMoNSeEd> Not using psyco (psyco.sf.net), AI not a maximum speed!
[09:20] <DeMoNSeEd> (gcompris:24366): GnomeCanvas-CRITICAL **: gnome_canvas_item_set_valist: assertion `GNOME_IS_CANVAS_ITEM (item)' failed
[09:20] <DeMoNSeEd> (gcompris:24366): GnomeCanvas-CRITICAL **: gnome_canvas_item_set_valist: assertion `GNOME_IS_CANVAS_ITEM (item)' failed
[09:20] <DeMoNSeEd> Segmentation fault
[09:21] <DeMoNSeEd> it comes up great, but there's a rubiks cube looking game section, in which has memory type card...match pics game, they come up all right, but once you match 2 pics, the whole thing kicks out totally
[09:21] <mhz> DeMoNSeEd: I have no clue what GNOME_canvas is
[09:21] <mhz> I use Wmaker and XFCE :(
[09:21] <DeMoNSeEd> as me
[09:21] <DeMoNSeEd> k
[09:22] <DeMoNSeEd> i'm grateful for you trying, very much so
[09:22] <DeMoNSeEd> hopefully Dapper will be okay
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[09:22] <mhz> thx, at least we now have that output
[09:22] <mhz> did you google for gnome.canvas
[09:23] <DeMoNSeEd> like i saids before, i know i can run gcompris on other distros, as i already have, but i don't want to take off a perfectly running system for 1 build
[09:23] <mhz> sure
[09:24] <DeMoNSeEd> nope, but the time i gave up trying to get an answer i was a lil frustrated and had just stepped away for a bit
[09:24] <DeMoNSeEd> i do the goog and see
[09:24] <DeMoNSeEd> thanks again, you're doing a great job
[09:25] <DeMoNSeEd> i'll pop back after
[09:25] <DeMoNSeEd> thanks again.....take care
[09:25] <mhz> DeMoNSeEd: or
[09:25] <DeMoNSeEd> or?
[09:25] <mhz> maybe it is indeed a bug
[09:25] <mhz> and reporting it could be good idea
[09:26] <mhz> DeMoNSeEd: hold on, let me ask a friend about canvas
[09:26] <DeMoNSeEd> k, i'll look at gcompris site
[09:26] <DeMoNSeEd> for bug reports...k..i'll hang in
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[09:35] <DeMoNSeEd> i'll be back in bout 15 mins
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