[12:06] <flipjarg> Can anyone tell me how to upgrade the ubuntu bittorrent to the bittorrent from bittorrent.com? It's a deb file that i have to manually install.
[12:07] <visik7> anyone on breezy that has security repo up can do an apt-get install perl-suid
[12:07] <visik7> and tell me if it works ?
[12:08] <flipjarg> Cant you enable the repo?
[12:09] <starhawk> I am in terminal and tring to su and it wont Authenticate for me I know the password and it still wont do it
[12:09] <flipjarg> visik7: It will install for me.
[12:10] <kernel_i386> is there a new package for konversation?
[12:10] <visik7> flipjarg: can u put an apt-file policy perl-suid ?
[12:10] <visik7> sorry
[12:10] <visik7> apt-cache policy perl-suid
[12:10] <owner> !automatix
[12:10] <ubotu> Automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does other harmful things like "echo -e 'ynY\n'" that are considered security risks. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications but the best thing is to read documentation.
[12:10] <visik7> and show it to me ?
[12:10] <flipjarg> i don't know how to.
[12:10] <visik7> flipjarg: www.pastebin.com
[12:10] <visik7> flipjarg: paste it there
[12:11] <eightiesk> how do i veiw movies in mozilla?
[12:11] <flipjarg> visik7: Is this something i should do after it's installed, because i didn't go through with the install.
[12:11] <visik7> no
[12:11] <flipjarg> ok
[12:11] <visik7> u don't need
[12:12] <starhawk> I am in terminal and tring to su and it wont Authenticate for me I know the password and it still wont do it
[12:12] <flipjarg> ah i see what it does... here is the link......
[12:12] <flipjarg> http://pastebin.com/534600
[12:13] <visik7> flipjarg: can u paste apt-cache show perl-suid too ?
[12:13] <flipjarg> su
[12:13] <flipjarg> *sure
[12:14] <Hobbsee> !tell flipjarg about sudo
[12:14] <visik7> got the problem
[12:14] <visik7> flipjarg: thanks
[12:14] <flipjarg> Hobbsee: i already know about that, but thanks :-)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> well, why are you using su, rather than sudo then?
[12:15] <visik7> be back soon
[12:17] <flipjarg> because then i don't have to type sudo every time i want to use a command as root.
[12:17] <rich0rd> sudo bash
[12:18] <flipjarg> didn't knwo about 'sudo bash'
[12:18] <flipjarg> thanks
[12:20] <starhawk> help I cant become su
[12:21] <Hobbsee> !sudo
[12:21] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[12:25] <kernel_i386> where can I set the font color for the "konqueror" file manager - like the files that displayed are "grey" on "grey" almost  - don't find it in Appearance settings menu
[12:25] <skypa> any ideas on how to handle an accidental "mkdir old ; mv /* old/" over ssh? :/
[12:25] <skypa> he won't let me run "mv" from that new dir.. missing libraries I guess
[12:25] <skypa> damn shame
[12:27] <owner> how about cp
[12:27] <owner> and then rm the old dir
[12:27] <skypa> cp also won't do it
[12:27] <skypa> mhh, that's a thinker
[12:28] <skypa> I would just boot from a live system if that system wouldn't be about 10 miles away
[12:30] <bimberi> skypa: does using 'old/bin/mv' work?
[12:30] <skypa> bash: /old/bin/mv: No such file or directory
[12:30] <bimberi> no leading /
[12:30] <skypa> although it's correct.. it even displays with TAB completion
[12:30] <skypa> *tries.that*
[12:31] <skypa> nah, same
[12:31] <bimberi> k :|
[12:31] <laszlok> Is it worth the trouble to upgrade to 3.5.1, or are there problems?
[12:31] <skypa> that is tricky
[12:31] <dark_suic> i haven't had any in a few days
[12:31] <owner> it is recommended laszlok
[12:31] <eightiesk> how do i watch movies in firefox1.5
[12:32] <eightiesk> ?
[12:32] <skypa> apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc
[12:33] <skypa> kaffeine provides a plugin, mplayer does too
[12:33] <laszlok> eightiesk: install mozilla-mplayer
[12:33] <skypa> pick one :)
[12:34] <eightiesk> and also why does my kaffeine not playt stuff
[12:34] <eightiesk> it  says its busy.
[12:35] <eightiesk> resource busy or not aval.?
[12:37] <eightiesk> ne1 have ne idea?
[12:38] <skypa> sry m8
[12:39] <kernel_i386> anyone got an idea where to find amarok support?
[12:39] <skypa> how about #amarok
[12:39] <dark_suic> kernel_i386, what you need?
[12:39] <kernel_i386> ow..
[12:40] <kernel_i386> well.. I'd like a script that shuts my pc down after playback end
[12:40] <kernel_i386> since I am listening to radioplays till I sleep and dont want my pc being on all night
[12:41] <dark_suic> well, if you're listening to radio plays, amarok shouldn't know when it stops, should it?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> kernel_i386: get your machine to shut down at a certain time then?
[12:42] <kernel_i386> no, Hobbsee - but I was told that it's existing
[12:42] <kernel_i386> dark_suic - I don't know the word for it.. ..
[12:43] <kernel_i386> it's not really radio.. but a few decades ago when not all had TV, radio plays were popular... and I think it kept the name..
[12:43] <laszlok> kernel_i386: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22251
[12:43] <kernel_i386> even if it's not played in the radio
[12:44] <kernel_i386> thanks laszlok
[12:47] <ninjakin> hello i see that ff is now 1.5.0.1 is out how can i go about updating it i have 1.5 now but the "check for  updates" is grayed out.
[12:48] <visik7> someone should fix the fileshare module in kde3.5.1
[12:54] <`Nomad> FF 1.5?  really?  kewl
[12:55] <skypa> 1.5.0.1?
[12:56] <skypa> what did they change.. one icon? :p
[12:56] <`Nomad> I think the kerning between the o and x has changed a bit  hehe
[12:56] <Hobbsee> speaking of icons, i want the proper FF icon back...
[12:57] <visik7> kdenetwork-filesharing is broken in 3.5.1
[12:57] <ninjakin>  yeah
[12:57] <visik7> (kubuntu packages)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> visik7: filed a bug for it?
[12:57] <ninjakin> but anyoen know why the check for updates is greyed out?
[12:57] <visik7> 3.5.1 isn't in breezy
[12:58] <visik7> dunno if I can bug report something isn't in the official distro
[12:58] <ninjakin> they need to put out drake.. or aleast a new beta
[12:58] <Hobbsee> ninjakin: new beta of what?
[12:58] <Hobbsee> of drake?
[12:58] <ninjakin> drake
[12:58] <Hobbsee> just get the previous one and update - simple
[12:58] <`Nomad> !easysource
[12:58] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:01] <Hobbsee> ninjakin: how'd you install firefox?
[01:02] <ninjakin> i followed the wiki
[01:02] <Hobbsee> so who owns /opt/?  root?
[01:02] <ninjakin> um let me check
[01:02] <kernel_i386> how can I change my local LAN ip address?
[01:03] <ninjakin> yeha root
[01:03] <ninjakin> so would i just need to open ff as root?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> i'd try - use sudo firefox
[01:05] <Hobbsee> make sure you dont browse any more pages than you have to - just do the update
[01:05] <Knowerrors> how do I change number of colors for an image in Krita?
[01:06] <kernel_i386> do I have to reboot after I changed my LOCAL LAN iP address?
[01:06] <ninjakin> hahaha!! oh wow im an stupid
[01:06] <trooper00> kernel_i386: no :p take the interface down. bring it back up
[01:06] <kernel_i386> how do I do that`?
[01:06] <ninjakin> thanks Hobbsee
[01:07] <trooper00> kernel_i386: well from the command line, ifup <interface> and ifdown <interface> would do it, if you have them defined in the /etc/network/interfaces file
[01:07] <Hobbsee> kernel_i386: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 usually
[01:07] <kernel_i386> thanks
[01:08] <ninjakin> how do i check to see what ver of kde im running?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> ninjakin: konversation --version
[01:09] <ninjakin> thanks yeah i jsut got that right wehn you sent it
[01:09] <ninjakin> do i really need 3.5.1?
[01:10] <ninjakin> naw...
[01:10] <DirkGently> is the Live CD only in German? I couldn't tell how to change it to English
[01:10] <deacon> Anybody here know if there is a driver that will work with a canon CP-200 photo printer?
[01:10] <DirkGently> (because all the instructions were German)
[01:10] <ninjakin> bleach time...!
[01:11] <Knowerrors> Ive got an image with 65535 colors, want it to be 255, how do I do that?
[01:13] <Knowerrors> Krita should do it, but I don't know how
[01:16] <`Nomad> gimp?
[01:16] <`Nomad> Is it a drawing type picture or a photo?
[01:16] <Knowerrors> don't have gimp...
[01:17] <`Nomad> how come?  It's just one command away  :)
[01:17] <Knowerrors> Im on dialup 28.8 modem
[01:17] <Knowerrors> takes forever to download gimp
[01:17] <Knowerrors> will if I have to
[01:18] <`Nomad> ahh ok.. Well if it's better, anc for a limited time, you can send it to me and I,ll see what i can do..
[01:18] <`Nomad> anc = and
[01:18] <Knowerrors> the image is a pnm drawing
[01:18] <`Nomad> :D
[01:18] <Knowerrors> .pnm
[01:18] <Knowerrors> hehe
[01:18] <`Nomad> if you have the install CD, it would be on there
[01:19] <Knowerrors> I opened the original image, which was 255 colors, to change the size from 704 to 720, then saved it, Krita changed the color range w/o asking me
[01:19] <Knowerrors> 'Nomad, on the Kubuntu install CD?
[01:19] <`Nomad> yup
[01:20] <`Nomad> Krita is for SVG tyoe drawings anyway Then again, i don't knwo what a pnm file is :)
[01:21] <Knowerrors> whats the apt command for installing off of cd?
[01:21] <`Nomad> well if you can just browse to it, double-click the file and it will ask if you,d liek to install
[01:22] <trooper00> Knowerrors: edit your sources.list file. add the cd to the list of respositories.
[01:22] <`Nomad> If you find it there as a deb, the command would be dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:22] <Knowerrors> got it sudo apt-cdrom add
[01:22] <WillySilly> anyone know where i can find the patches ubuntu applies to their packages?
[01:24] <Knowerrors> `Nomad: it aint on the cd
[01:25] <`Nomad> ah?  sorry
[01:26] <`Nomad> I usually get the DVDs myself, but I would have thought it was on teh CDs
[01:26] <`Nomad> My offer still stands, if you send me it I'll resize/resample and send back
[01:27] <Knowerrors> ok
[01:28] <Knowerrors> just a sec
[01:32] <Set> Networking in Kubuntu = nightmare
[01:35] <Knowerrors> `Nomad: nevermind, gimp isn't that big
[01:36] <dark_suic> wow, that's a clever person... enters a channel, flames and goes out
[01:38] <`Nomad> I know :)
[01:38] <bimberi> well as long as (s)he feels much better now :P
[01:39] <Kaiser_Away> hi `Nomad :)
[01:39] <`Nomad> Oh I'm sorry I missed your file, I was on anothe rscreen absorned in translating
[01:39] <`Nomad> hi
[01:39] <Kaiser_Away> :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> dark_suic: hehe yeah
[01:39] <`Nomad> God teh typos are flying low tonight
[01:41] <Kaiser_Away> lol
[01:42] <fabio> opa
[01:43] <[Nirvana] > cheers
[01:43] <fabio> algum sabe me dizer pq o media:\ s esta mostrando o floppy??
[01:43] <[Nirvana] > read here on other language: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/InternetRelayChat
[01:44] <`Nomad> sudo mount /dev/fd0 /floppy
[01:44] <`Nomad> I think is what they are asking?
[01:45] <[Nirvana] > buh..
[01:45] <fabio> sorry, my konqueror diplay only icon the floppy and no show icons the partitions
[01:46] <`Nomad> ahh
[01:46] <fabio> in media:\
[01:46] <`Nomad> That is still a mystery to me too
[01:46] <bobesponja> does anybody know how do I know the current resolution I'm using?
[01:46] <bobesponja> (on xorg)
[01:47] <[Nirvana] > fabio: it was taken out in KDE 3.5
[01:47] <bobesponja> fabio: it's back in 3.5.1
[01:48] <bobesponja> fabio: you need to install kde 3.5.1, it was a bug with hal/kde incompatibility
[01:48] <fabio> i m upgrade for 3.5.1
[01:48] <bobesponja> fabio: go to kubuntu.org and grab the debs
[01:49] <fabio> via adept with new mirrors for kde 3.5.1
[01:49] <[Nirvana] > Hey `Nomad, is there a bug in Adept Updater? I tried to update to KDE 3.5.1, and when I used adept updater (I usually use the command line, but I wanted to see why there was 4 pkgs being lept back), and instead of updating, it removed all KDE components! It was weird. Thankfully, I know how to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :P or else I'd be screwed
[01:50] <[Nirvana] > that said, I'm on a Windows computer now, and boy is it strange!
[01:50] <`Nomad> weird..
[01:50] <[Nirvana] > yep
[01:50] <`Nomad> I once removed everything KDE all at once by stupidly not reading about all the dependent packages it was going to remove if I took out package A..  That was scary.. .
[01:50] <[Nirvana] > now gotta re-d/l KDE 3.5.1 all over again... on a slow connection... and there's only an hour left now!
[01:51] <`Nomad> I grabbed the screen output and did a apt-get install of all those packages before I rebooted
[01:51] <`Nomad> hour left for what?
[01:51] <[Nirvana] > downloading kubunt-desktop and kde 3.5.1
[01:52] <[Nirvana] > chatzilla is a neat app btw :D fits right into Fx
[01:52] <`Nomad> I always use the command line too, or simply adept, very rarely the adept-updater
[01:53] <[Nirvana] > yeah, I figured it would load faster...but now I realize.. adept updater = dist-upgrade
[01:53] <[Nirvana] > the updater in adept = ugrade
[01:53] <[Nirvana] > or at least, I think that's it
[01:53] <`Nomad> probably
[01:53] <evilh> i need help getting my usb drive to work
[01:54] <`Nomad> you know that for 3.5.1 you have to do a dist-upgrade right?
[01:54] <[Nirvana] > yep
[01:54] <`Nomad> oops, should have read up first
[01:54] <[Nirvana] > no wait, no,
[01:54] <`Nomad> I just still wish I coudl mak emy laser printer work.. I am stuck with CUPS authentication
[01:54] <[Nirvana] > dist-upgrade = breezy > Dapper
[01:55] <`Nomad> haven't been able to figure it out
[01:55] <[Nirvana] > maybe you have to make the group "printer" and give is access?
[01:55] <`Nomad> really? I never realized.  Dapper is officially coming out in March or April right?
[01:55] <[Nirvana] > I did that with my Epson stylus color 777 :D
[01:56] <`Nomad> I hav etried so many things I don't know anymore
[01:56] <[Nirvana] > evilh: post the prob of your usb drive, we don't bite
[01:56] <[Nirvana] > evilh: most usb drives are plug and play, well, at least most MP3 players are plug and play
[01:56] <`Nomad> Shitty thing is, linux is actually supported by Samsung.. But when I try to use thir installer, I get stuck at that CUPS auth. prob.
[01:57] <`Nomad> very frustrating..
[01:57] <`Nomad> I've used it with another printer's driver, but it'd be nice to have all the functions, like 2 pages per sheet, etc..
[01:57] <[Nirvana] > email them
[01:59] <`Nomad> I will
[01:59] <`Nomad> but I figure it's more of a Kubuntu CUPS config issue.. Using sudo instead of root maybe
[02:00] <[Nirvana] > ahh, maybe it's like the webmin conundrum!
[02:00] <[Nirvana] > webmin needs su to install (or something like that)
[02:00] <[Nirvana] > maybe the installer is the same way
[02:00] <[Nirvana] > welcome back evilh
[02:00] <evilh> sorry bout the sudden log off
[02:01] <evilh> laptop locked up
[02:01] <evilh> but now my usb stick is working
[02:01] <evilh> it was saying that it couldnt create the folder for it before
[02:04] <Nirvana> forty five mins :P
[02:06] <`Nomad> Nirvana: I think so yes
[02:09] <Nirvana> !cookie
[02:09] <ubotu> Hey nirvana, ops noobhelp #DEL# is being naughty
[02:09] <Nirvana> !fortune
[02:09] <ubotu> Nirvana: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:09] <Nirvana> !cookie
[02:09] <Nirvana> !cookie
[02:09] <Nirvana> I want a cookie!
[02:10] <Nirvana> yaaay!
[02:10] <Nirvana> OMG! Best. NTFS. Info. Ever
[02:11] <owner> !cookie
[02:11] <ubotu> Hey owner, howcome is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth
[02:11] <owner> !botsnack
[02:11] <ubotu> thanks owner :)
[02:11] <owner> !dance
[02:11] <ubotu> dance is, like, totally, o/-<  o|-<  o\-<
[02:11] <Nirvana> oooooo, your good :D
[02:11] <owner> lol
[02:12] <Nirvana> ^^ he's a good dancer, quick on his feet
[02:13] <ClayG> anyone know a good lightweight web browser that supports https?for the gui?
[02:14] <Nirvana> Dillo is lightweight, but it doesn't render pages good
[02:14] <owner> yes
[02:14] <owner> its very basic
[02:14] <owner> i recommend operaa
[02:14] <owner> opera
[02:15] <owner> now that its free
[02:16] <Nirvana> opera is lightweight?
[02:16] <owner> probably
[02:17] <Nirvana> I thought it was like Fx, but yeah, Opera rocks because it's QT, like KDE, and will look better than Firefox
[02:18] <`Nomad> really?
[02:18] <owner> operas still lighter than firefox
[02:18] <Nirvana> lol, whoever is sending me chuck norris jokes in my inbox is pissing me off... I don't even know who he is, but someone thinks it's
[02:18] <Nirvana> "cool"
[02:19] <`Nomad> !google chuck norris
[02:19] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad
[02:19] <rance> could someone point me to some docs for getting apache2 to work correctly, the package doesnt seem to be configured correclty, and I'm not sure what needs to be changed
[02:19] <`Nomad> rance: what's wrong?
[02:19] <Nirvana> to say that chuck norris doesn't teabag people, he potato sacls them--- WHO CARES?
[02:20] <`Nomad> and have you tried #apache if there is one?
[02:20] <Nirvana> I know CN is an actore from a 60
[02:20] <Nirvana> 60's TV show
[02:20] <PaloDeQueso> Koffice 1.5 beta1 mirrors down?
[02:20] <rance> `Nomad, Im not sure, possibly nothing, hand on a sec, it didnt work last night, but its trying to now
[02:21] <`Nomad> rance: is it accessibl from the web?
[02:21] <rance> well, I think I get it now
[02:21] <`Nomad> kewl
[02:21] <evilh> i got a retarded noob question
[02:21] <`Nomad> go!
[02:21] <`Nomad> :)
[02:22] <`Nomad> there are no bad questions
[02:22] <Nirvana> PaloDeQueso: try "ping -c 3 http://<mirror here>.com" and see if it responds
[02:22] <evilh> how do you play .wma files
[02:22] <Nirvana> evilh: aren't we all retarded noobs :P
[02:22] <rance> Im used to the web root being /var/www/htdocs, with /var/www/cgi-bin and all that, and with this package, all of that is missing, you just have to add it yourself
[02:22] <`Nomad> really?
[02:22] <`Nomad> rance: mine was /var/www
[02:22] <evilh> nirvana: yes but i am the king
[02:23] <evilh> been using linux all of 6 days
[02:23] <rance> Ive got /var/www/ but I dont have any /var/www/*
[02:23] <`Nomad> oh..
[02:23] <Nirvana> .wma files = gstreamer plugin
[02:23] <`Nomad> I had this in /var/www  --->  apache2-default
[02:23] <Nirvana> sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins-0.8
[02:23] <`Nomad> no htdocs
[02:24] <Nirvana> evilh: try: sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins-0.8 (may not work, not on a linux comp right now)
[02:24] <evilh> ok
[02:24] <rance> Im just used to /var/www/htdocs /var/www/cgi-bin /var/www/icons, and like that
[02:24] <`Nomad> Nirvana:  I can't get that exact file, it's got an issue with libfame0.9 or something
[02:25] <`Nomad> rance: that may have been apache1 :)
[02:25] <Nirvana> evilh: if it doesn't work, try enabling extra repos, and getting the other plugins package (after an apt-get update of course!)
[02:25] <Nirvana> `Nomad: maybe enable extra repos?
[02:25] <rance> well, its apache2 on my old distro (im still getting used to kubuntu)
[02:25] <`Nomad> I thought I did
[02:25] <`Nomad> I used easysource
[02:26] <evilh> how do you enable other repos. the only thing i found was for ubuntu not kubuntu
[02:26] <`Nomad> I went with the cipherfunk one, upgrading to 3.5.1, none of my audio/video stuff worked
[02:26] <`Nomad> until I used cipherfunk
[02:26] <Nirvana> evilh: one sec
[02:26] <`Nomad> ubotu tell evilh about easysource
[02:27] <rance> I installed mplayer, and the w32codecs, but Im getting an error from mplayer, just as soon as mplayer opens a video file, I get an error message about a font missing, why does mplayer need a font to play a video?
[02:27] <`Nomad> Is it a movie about text files?
[02:27] <`Nomad> lol
[02:27] <Nirvana> evilh: I'm just guessing here, but I think this is the correct URL for how to enable extra repositories: http://psychocats.net/linux/sources.php
[02:27] <rance> the video plays correctly behind the message
[02:27] <`Nomad> I had the same..  now it's gone, I never really looked into it
[02:28] <rance> it isnt one of those darned "run as root to configure first" apps is it?
[02:28] <Nirvana> rance: you have to symlink the font you want to use for subtitles in your .mplayer dir
[02:28] <rance> oh, ok
[02:29] <rance> didnt offer any help, just barked that something wasnt right
[02:30] <Nirvana> as in ln -s /dir/font/font.ttf subtitles.ttf (I can't tell the exact filenames and directories because I'm not on my linux box, but the font file subtitles.ttf > substitute it for the one you want
[02:30] <`Nomad> How do I clear my apt-get update process.. I'm stuck in a loop where install -f won't work
[02:30] <`Nomad> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:30] <`Nomad>   gstreamer0.8-fame: Depends: libfame0 but it is not going to be installed
[02:30] <Nirvana> I did that, then it worked. Then I found vlc, which is 100000x better
[02:31] <Nirvana> `Nomad: sudo kill xxxx (where xxx is apt-get's process ID, you can find it in "top")
[02:32] <Nirvana> this updating stuff is a joke...it takes too long :(
[02:32] <`Nomad> oh it,s not running, I meant that now I can't update
[02:32] <Nirvana> I know what'll cheer me up though
[02:32] <Nirvana> !dance
[02:32] <ubotu> methinks dance is o/-<  o|-<  o\-<
[02:32] <`Nomad> yup, VLC is it!
[02:33] <Nirvana> `Nomad: "remove gstreamer-fame --purge" ?
[02:33] <ClayG> A while ago on a freinds compuer i saw a program called "file system visualizer" it was this cool gui that showed the FS. Is there anything apt-get'able for ubunut/kubuntu?
[02:34] <Nirvana> flashlight?
[02:34] <Nirvana> I don't think that's what you want though
[02:34] <fabio> hello, I resolved the problem with icons on media:\
[02:34] <Nirvana> clayg: FileLight, not flashlight xP
[02:35] <ClayG> filelight
[02:35] <fabio> the command: sudo adduser hal disk
[02:35] <ClayG> ?
[02:36] <Nirvana> ClayG: I know it looks cool, and it has disk usage and stuff
[02:36] <ClayG> very good man
[02:36] <ClayG> ahh it's similar to it
[02:36] <ClayG> thanks
[02:36] <Nirvana> try googling for it and looking at a screenie
[02:37] <fabio> thanks, Nirvana and Nomad
[02:37] <`Nomad> ;)
[02:39] <Nirvana> ahhhh
[02:39] <Nirvana> four-day weekend^^
[02:39] <evilh> kaffeine is the gui for xine in kubuntu right?
[02:39] <Nirvana> kaffeine uses gstreamer, you have to manually install the xine engine
[02:40] <`Nomad> totem-xine works well i think
[02:40] <Nirvana> yep, totem media player is pretty good (not VLC-good, but hey, can't beat the best...)
[02:40] <evilh> cause im trying to follow the following forums instructions:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70227
[02:42] <Nirvana> evilh: broken link?
[02:42] <evilh> huh?
[02:42] <Nirvana> ohhh, not it's not, it's cause I'm still d/ling kde 3.5.1...
[02:42] <fabio> nomad: i no have susses in sudo apt-get install w32codecs. The package exists in kubuntu repository?
[02:42] <Nirvana> I thought it was done :(
[02:43] <evilh> accordint to what ive read they removed the repository for legal resons
[02:43] <Nirvana> fabio: add the PLF repository
[02:43] <rance> are there any sql-ledger users in here?
[02:43] <Nirvana> google search PLF ubuntu
[02:43] <Hobbsee> !w32codecs
[02:43] <ubotu> from memory, w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[02:44] <fabio> ok thanks ...
[02:45] <evilh> ubotu: thanks that did the trick
[02:45] <ubotu> bitte, evilh
[02:45] <Nirvana> hobbsee: is there a list of those commands?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> of factoids?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:46] <Hobbsee> !blah
[02:46] <ubotu> Hobbsee: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Nirvana: ^
[02:46] <evilh> deutsch!!
[02:47] <`Nomad> evilh: ubotu is a bot. ;)
[02:47] <evilh> i know
[02:47] <`Nomad> ohhh  lol
[02:47] <`Nomad> ok
[02:47] <`Nomad> he/she is pretty handy
[02:47] <evilh> very
[02:47] <Hobbsee> definetly!
[02:48] <bimberi> !blah
[02:48] <ubotu> Same to you bimberi
[02:48] <bimberi> :P
[02:48] <brodel> what is the best program to use to watch mov files on kubuntu?
[02:49] <`Nomad> mine pop up in totem
[02:49] <`Nomad> going through some lynda.com stuff rightnow
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hehe @ bimberi
[02:51] <ubuntu> hey, I stupidly installed windows after linux
[02:51] <bimberi> :) (factoid now forgotten btw - nowanna get banned :) )
[02:52] <Nirvana> ubuntu: smart
[02:52] <ubuntu> now im on the live CD
[02:52] <ubuntu> with my hard drives mounted
[02:52] <ubuntu> so how do i fix grub
[02:52] <bimberi> ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:52] <ubuntu> thanks
[02:53] <Nirvana> bimberi: I was just about to press enter, you cheat!!
[02:53] <Nirvana> lol
[02:53] <`Nomad> hehehe
[02:55] <Nirvana> brb, gonna test out the newly updated kde 3.5.1
[02:59] <bimberi> :)
[03:00] <Calilasseia> -Hello everyone ....
[03:00] <Nirvana> I am back!
[03:00] <Calilasseia> I need a little help ... connecting a friend's new installation to the net ....
[03:00] <bimberi> hi Calilasseia
[03:00] <fabio> wow thanks nirvana and ubotu, now I can see my videos and animes
[03:00] <fyrmedic> I have a problem with hanging while "Looking up www.whateversite.xyz" in firefox can anyone help?
[03:01] <`Nomad> what,s teh link?
[03:01] <Calilasseia> It's a clean install of Kubuntu,  with an NTL cable modem connected to the PC via Ethernet ...
[03:02] <Calilasseia> At the moment there's no net connection ...
[03:02] <fyrmedic> it happens with any link that I want to load. It usually hangs for 10 to 20 seconds before it loads then generally loads at normal speed..
[03:02] <Calilasseia> What do I need to do to make the connection?
[03:02] <`Nomad> fyrmedic: sounds like you may have routing issues, or DNS
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Calilasseia: sudo ifup eth0?
[03:03] <Calilasseia> My friend's instllation is the Hoary Hedgehog version ...
[03:03] <Calilasseia> Hang on I'll take notes ...
[03:03] <Hobbsee> why back on hoary?  oh yeah, cant upgrade to breezy, with no net connection...oops lol
[03:04] <fyrmedic> `Nomad: I have redone the DNS in kubuntu a couple of times and played around with the router, which isn't having issues with any other computers. I think that firefox is doing the lookups on very remote DNS servers.
[03:04] <Calilasseia> My own installation is upgraded to breezy, but until the net connection is extant on this other machine it'll be stuck in Hoary ...
[03:05] <Hobbsee> !networking
[03:05] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hobbsee
[03:05] <Hobbsee> !network
[03:05] <ubotu> This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together.
[03:06] <`Nomad> do you have those proxy settings on?
[03:06] <Calilasseia> Hang on, I'm chatting in Trillian on Windows, so I can't look up the manual for ifup yet ... will do that when I switch to Linux ...
[03:06] <fyrmedic> `Nomad: I don't have a proxy server. I use a default gateway and it is set right
[03:06] <`Nomad> ok
[03:07] <Calilasseia> Are there any config files I need to edit to forge the connection or will ifup do that automatically?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Calilasseia: /etc/network/interfaces - check that there's a line called auto eth0 in there, towards the top
[03:08] <Hobbsee> also check that it's eth0 instead of eth1 - if it's eth1, change it in the interfaces file
[03:08] <`Nomad> fyrmedic: I was referring to the connection settings, under the general tab in preferences(Firefox)
[03:08] <Calilasseia> Got ti - took notes ... "auto eth0" ....
[03:09] <`Nomad> maybe your firefox is trying to detect proxies
[03:09] <Calilasseia> Any other details in the network config files to check out while I'm doing this? IP address etc?
[03:10] <Hobbsee_away> yeah, network manager in system settings might help
[03:10] <Calilasseia> And do I need to tell the system about the modem's MAC address or will it fetch that automatically?
[03:10] <Hobbsee_away> ifconfig will show some interesting bits - what's connected
[03:10] <Hobbsee_away> not sure
[03:12] <SigmaX> ndiswrapper.  modprobe tells me "permission denied" (Yes I'm sudo'd).  Any help?
[03:12] <Calilasseia> SigmaX, did you just sudo or did you "sudo su" to remain in super user mode for the duration of your terminal session?
[03:13] <SigmaX> Calilasseia: Nope, didn't do sudo su
[03:13] <SigmaX> "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[03:13] <Calilasseia> Only "sudo su"  might -however I stress "might" - resolve this ...
[03:13] <SigmaX> I even set a password for root and logged in directly. No luck.
[03:13] <Calilasseia> Do "sudo su" then "modprobe ndiswrapper" and see if that helps ...
[03:13] <Calilasseia> Interesting ...
[03:13] <SigmaX> it yields "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted"
[03:14] <Calilasseia> Hmm ... I'm still in the learning curve myself by the way :)
[03:14] <Calilasseia> You couldn't even do it logged in as root? Strange ...
[03:15] <SigmaX> Calilasseia: Nope.  So I assume there must be a greater issue at hand. :-|.
[03:15] <Calilasseia> Hang on I'll log out of windows and fire up Kubuntu ... disconnecting ...
[03:16] <Calilasseia> Be back in 3 mins or so when Kubuntu is up and running ... bye....
[03:16] <evilh> anyone have kubuntu installed on a hp pavilion ze5700 laptop
[03:19] <evilh> does anyone have kubuntu installed on a hp pavilion ze5700 laptop?
[03:20] <Nirvana> OMG, in KDE 3.5.1, the fonts are MASSIVE!
[03:20] <SigmaX> evilh: Apparently not.
[03:20] <Peolo> hi
[03:20] <SigmaX> Nirvana: .... are they not customizable as in every other KDE version?
[03:20] <`Nomad> Nirvana: More font for your buck huh?  :)
[03:20] <Peolo> anyone of you using tor proxy and privoxy with kubuntu ?
[03:21] <Nirvana> yeah, I had them customized to my liking in 3.5, then,in 3.5.1, they are massive!!!
[03:21] <Peolo> get this error when i try to start privoxy http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/1687
[03:21] <calilasseia> Hello again ....
[03:21] <Nirvana> crap, how do I roll back the fonts to their original settings
[03:21] <Peolo> hi calilasseia
[03:21] <evilh> poo was hoping someone could tell me how to get the function keys to work
[03:21] <SigmaX> wb calilasseia
[03:22] <calilasseia> Hello SigmaX ....just trying something now ...
[03:23] <calilasseia> Right, I just did "sudo su" followed by "modprobe ndiswrapper" and got no errors ....
[03:23] <calilasseia> I've got Breezy running by the way ...
[03:24] <SigmaX> calilasseia: Me too.
[03:24] <SigmaX> calilasseia: I thought it would have been the driver I installed before modprobing... but I tried it on a clean system with the same results.
[03:24] <fatejudger> fglrx doesn't work in 2.6.15-14, is this because ATI hasn't released the drivers for it yet?
[03:24] <SigmaX> Wait... no... not same error.
[03:24] <calilasseia> Right, try modprobe -v ndiswrapper to make it report everything it does ...
[03:26] <SigmaX> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko
[03:26] <SigmaX> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[03:26] <Nirvana> anyone know how I can rollback to the default font and style of Kubuntu?
[03:26] <calilasseia> Hmm ... weird ....
[03:27] <calilasseia> try modprobe --showconfig to dump the configuration file ...
[03:27] <calilasseia> Might be something in there that gives a clue ... missing dependency etc ...
[03:28] <calilasseia> Be warned you'll get a LOT of text on screen ....
[03:28] <PaloDeQueso> Anyone here used wxwidgets with kdevelop. I get all kinds of build errors when compiling a simple program?
[03:28] <SigmaX> well the only thing I've done is "ndiswrapper -i LSBCMNDS.inf" after downloading the driver.  So i imagine that must be the source of my troubles.
[03:29] <calilasseia> Hmm .. just looked at my config file ... MASSIVE set of aliases ,.....
[03:30] <Nirvana> !blach
[03:30] <ubotu> Nirvana: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:33] <`Nomad> Nirvana: ??    http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-desktop-x-windows/2651-configuring-default-theme.html
[03:33] <fatejudger> does anyone have an ATI that's working on Dapper?
[03:33] <fatejudger> *ATI card
[03:34] <`Nomad> fatejudger: I set one up earlier for a friend over ssh from here
[03:34] <`Nomad> no issues, went smoothly
[03:34] <PaloDeQueso> Anyone here used wxwidgets with kdevelop. I get all kinds of build errors when compiling a simple program?
[03:38] <eieiyo> when a new version of an application comes out...can you just recompile the new versions source code and it overwrites the old version. or do you first remove the older version of an application?
[03:39] <nikita> !midi
[03:40] <ubotu> [midi]  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736 or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[03:40] <nikita> !paw
[03:40] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, nikita
[03:40] <rance> im having the worlds worst time with something, I need a software program that prints invoices, and thats all it needs to do (it would be nice if it could remember the invoces in a database, but thats not even required.
[03:41] <`Nomad> You should beable to build somethign like that using OpenOffice
[03:41] <`Nomad> It has an access like database now too :)
[03:42] <`Nomad> rance: Do you have a standard invoice already? (As a template)
[03:42] <rance> well, now really, I have a windows program that I used to use for the invoice printing, but I finally made the jump and no longer dual boot, and that seems to be the only thing I cant do the way I want to
[03:42] <rance> sorry, NOT really
[03:43] <`Nomad> so you want a software that will print invoices that will keep on changing in layout?
[03:44] <rance> `Nomad, Im sure I can, If I can find the time, I just bought a house, and have to pack my office and move, dont have time must bill clients and figure the rest out later
[03:44] <`Nomad> ok
[03:44] <zorba64> apt-cache search invoice...gnotime maybe?
[03:44] <dr_wu> rance- checked out Gnucash?
[03:45] <`Nomad> gnucash does invoicing?
[03:45] <rance> yea, just wish it didnt depend on 1/3rd of the 17000 packages ubuntu can install
[03:45] <rance> (i know its an exaggeration, but you know what I mean)
[03:46] <dr_wu> according to their website, and not my personal experience, yes.
[03:48] <`Nomad> looking at OO.base now.  Interesting
[03:49] <multimedia> can anyone help me out with sound for ppc dapper? it worked until i updated last night
[03:49] <`Nomad> rance: what did you use on windows?
[03:49] <`Nomad> maybe it can run under wine
[03:49] <rance> `Nomad, GnuCash will just about wash your dishes for you, it really is amazing stuff, but its a whale of a package, and it still depends on gtk, gtk2 support is a LONG way off
[03:50] <nikita> i've just read the instruction "how-to-play-midi-files" and i
[03:50] <nikita> am scared
[03:50] <nikita> is it that difficult?!
[03:50] <Nirvana> nikita: as long as it is properly documented, everything is easy in ubuntu
[03:50] <rance> I just used a cheap $20 dollar program I found a retail store several years ago, its called My Deluxe Invoices and Estimates, from My Software, and thats all it does, its great stuff
[03:51] <dr_wu> rance- well, it sounds like doing something in OpenOffice is likely your best bet.
[03:51] <nikita> Nirvana: you are saing that i should follow that: 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo' and i'll be fine?
[03:51] <rance> I did install xwine, but since I dont have a windows partition anymore, I couldnt get it to install
[03:52] <rance> not sure why really
[03:52] <dr_wu> rance- never used wine or other derivatives, so no help here..
[03:53] <rance> there are some OO template web sites, maybe I can find a nice invoice template and just do that for awhile
[03:53] <Nirvana> nikita: absolutely
[03:54] <dr_wu> rance- i'd imagine you can. probably not too difficult either..
[03:54] <nikita> Nitvana: okey, will try that :) thanks
[03:55] <dr_wu> rance- you could probably come up with a Mail Merge type thing that gets data from the OO database program?
[03:56] <rance> if I really had the time to do it, I think Id just clone the features of the windows program into a python script that interacts with a database
[03:56] <dr_wu> rance- or that way..
[03:56] <rance> and then I could email pdf copies of the invoice as opposed to printing
[03:56] <dr_wu> rance- yup
[03:56] <calilasseia> I just tried opening Openoffice and creating a quick & dirty database ... and it won't let me create tables (sigh) ....
[03:56] <`Nomad> same here
[03:57] <`Nomad> I created it, but it didn't stick.. Then again I had turned off Java before for performance
[03:57] <rance> im not much in the way of writing a gui but I could drive out a menu driven cli app in about a week probably that did what all I needed it to do
[03:58] <`Nomad> rance ; sounds like you're on top of it. :)
[03:58] <calilasseia> Why does OpenOffice insist I create a form before doing anything else with a database?
[03:58] <rance> of course I have a full time job, to that week is really nights and weekends
[03:58] <`Nomad> cal: oh really?
[03:58] <dr_wu> well, it seems that the OO database thing is right out then.. i can't do it either..
[03:58] <calilasseia> Yes - if I select the "create table2 wizard it just packs up and exits ...
[03:59] <dr_wu> did i just see someone say its a java thing?
[03:59] <calilasseia> Apparently so Dr Wu ....
[04:00] <dr_wu> i suppose it's because i have blackdown on and not sun.. who knows..
[04:01] <calilasseia> Right, I've just opened OpenOffice 2.0 Base ....
[04:01] <calilasseia> Wizard is up ....
[04:01] <`Nomad> argh. This is sad.. :(
[04:02] <calilasseia> Selected "create new database" and then it moves on ...
[04:02] <rance> if you open the OO base, its let me create a database add a table and some fields, then register it in open office
[04:02] <dr_wu> yeah.. i got the wizard bit.. but died shortly after creating the dbase file name.. sort of a non-feature if you ask me.. :)
[04:02] <rance> I had to check the checkbox next to "after create database, add tables"
[04:02] <calilasseia> Now it asks me if I want to register the database in OpenOffice.org ....
[04:03] <rance> you want to register the database to the rest of open office apps so you can do mail merges and the like
[04:03] <calilasseia> It also has options "open the database for editing" and "create tables using table wizard" ... I've just ticked both ,...
[04:03] <rance> not sure why its an option not to really
[04:03] <calilasseia> Now click on finish, and it wants me to save the file ...
[04:04] <calilasseia> And here we go again ... it opens up with "Forms" highlighted, and as my tasks, "Create Form Using Form Wizard" and suchlike ...
[04:05] <calilasseia> I click on "tables" and it says "Connection to database could not be established" ...
[04:05] <`Nomad> wow, it really sucks!  table I saved is not even there when i go back
[04:05] <dr_wu> yeah.. i've not used that so i guess i should look into this some more.. maybe kexi will work better..
[04:05] <dr_wu> brb..
[04:05] <calilasseia> I would say that this app is about as much use as a fishnet condom personally ....
[04:06] <`Nomad> lol
[04:06] <calilasseia> Only I was about to try and create a quick & dirty database and see if I could help out Rance ...
[04:06] <rance> which is about as much use as I ever found for access, so Id say that did pretty well
[04:07] <calilasseia> Oh I can get Access 97 to work in Windows no problem ...
[04:07] <calilasseia> Later version for XP is a dog though ...
[04:07] <rance> Ive spent more points on experts-exchange on access than any other problem
[04:07] <calilasseia> But I can't even create a table in a new database in OpenOffice ...
[04:07] <calilasseia> Pretty bloody pointless that isn't it ???
[04:07] <`Nomad> yup
[04:08] <`Nomad> I'm going to try the SUN java
[04:08] <calilasseia> Oh no - you mean OpenOffice needs java?
[04:08] <calilasseia> Enough said ...
[04:08] <rance> I did, but I really dont want to use a proprietary data layout, sooner put it in postgresql, or mysql, and use phpmyadmin or something
[04:08] <rance> then write a set of python scripts
[04:09] <`Nomad> rance: that's the way to go
[04:09] <`Nomad> an invoice layout should be easy to do from php to PDF
[04:09] <rance> customer maintenance, and invoice creation, and payment tracking
[04:09] <scorp007> Hi whats the easiest way to share data between multiple kubuntu pcs?
[04:10] <calilasseia> Oh that's *marvellous* - I run Openoffice Base, but this time don't select "open for editing", just "create tables" and it packs up and dies ...
[04:10] <rance> I dont do parts, just labor so my invoices are just a description of the project, and which installment they are paying on
[04:10] <rance> and the balance owed
[04:10] <calilasseia> Well that was 15 minutes of my life put to productive use ...
[04:11] <rance> scorp007: share data how? you mean like windows shared folders or what?
[04:11] <calilasseia> The irony being that if I was running Access in Windows, I'd have the database up and running by now ....
[04:11] <scorp007> rance: I mean so I can copy files from one pc to another.
[04:11] <rance> thansk cal, and `Nomad for the interest
[04:11] <calilasseia> I tried Rance ... but OpenOffice let me down ...
[04:12] <calilasseia> Won't be using that again in a hurry ...
[04:12] <rance> thats ok
[04:12] <rance> yea, I see that
[04:12] <calilasseia> Right, quick question, where does the iptables file live ???
[04:13] <rance> well scorp007, you can make one linux box an NFS server (network file system) and then you can mount the files system on the nfs host via an nfs client on the second machine and manipluate files just as if they were mounted locally
[04:14] <scorp007> rance: that will make sharing work from both ends?
[04:14] <rance> you could set up a rsync script that syncs to directories
[04:14] <Nirvana> OMG. Kubuntu = God -- It fixed itself!
[04:15] <`Nomad> oh oh.. If it starts replicating, disconnect the RJ-45!!  Kubuntu has become self-aware!
[04:15] <rance> well, kindof , it would be like on a big windows server if you save the file into the local folder that is also part of the share, that file is now shared
[04:15] <Nirvana> I was pulling my hair out trying to get fonts to look proper and the shut down button to reappear, and then, BOOM, I restarted and it was fixed
[04:16] <fatejudger> wtf happened to KWord in the KOffice Beta 1?
[04:16] <rance> <---- thinks it must be more than just slightly broken
[04:18] <`Nomad> woohoo!! Using Sun Java, the oo.base crashes much quicker.. No waiting! ;)
[04:18] <Nirvana> fatejudger: it is slightly broken, expect it to be out of the infirmary shoryly
[04:18] <`Nomad> well, to all a goo dnight
[04:18] <rance> hey, if I start a consultants invoice history program, would you guys like to take a crack at it and see if it would work for some of what you guys do
[04:18] <Nirvana> `Nomad: that's amazing!
[04:19] <`Nomad> yup
[04:19] <rance> g'nite
[04:19] <calilasseia> Java is a crock ....
[04:19] <Nirvana> rance: what is a consultants invoice history program?
[04:19] <Nirvana> what is a consultants invoice history program?
[04:20] <calilasseia> So far I've tried three difference IDEs for Java, and NONE of them have worked ...
[04:20] <Nirvana> come on guys, I'm too young to know what that means
[04:20] <rance> well, most consultants dont sell parts, just labor, so there is no tax, I would do a simple invoice that describes the project someone is paying for, and print or send as pdf the invoices to the clients
[04:21] <scorp007> rance: would scp do what I need?
[04:21] <rance> im not looking for a full accounting system, just a simple customer history app, with work and payment history via the invoices
[04:21] <rance> scorp007: it might
[04:22] <Nirvana> rance: mabye  OOo base? You need a database-ish program right?
[04:22] <rance> well, I was thinking mysql, and python
[04:23] <Nirvana> rance: wise choice, my uncle knows python, and his work is always smooth
[04:23] <rance> OO Base seems kindof flaky for some people yet
[04:23] <calilasseia> Ah, KNEW there was something I needed to ask ...
[04:23] <calilasseia> The dreaded MSN Messenger on Windows (spit) ... friend of mine wants to know how to connect to MSN on a Linux system if it's possible ....
[04:23] <`Nomad> quick check
[04:23] <`Nomad> !java
[04:23] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:24] <`Nomad> gaim rocks
[04:24] <Nirvana> calilasseia: for java IDE check here
[04:24] <`Nomad> though Kopete has video
[04:24] <rance> I figured Id get it to a level of functionality I needed, then make a sourceforge project out of it and ask for developers to help out with other things like maybe a gtk2 based gui, or alternate database backends
[04:25] <Nirvana> calilasseia: sorry, here: http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html
[04:25] <Nirvana> calilasseia: and for msn, use amsn
[04:25] <Nirvana> better than kopete, and better-looking than GAIM
[04:26] <calilasseia> Right - amsn ..... I'm also looking at that IDE site you posted in Konqueror ...
[04:26] <rance> I use kopete simply becuase it connects to almost all the chat systems
[04:26] <dr_wu> i like kopete too..
[04:27] <Nirvana> kopete ain't bad,but it aint amsn, if your just coming from Windows, and you use kopete, you feel weird, but in amsn, it seems to flow better
[04:28] <Nirvana> ^^ I tested that theory on my neighbour who doesn't know who/what/where/when/why/how linux is
[04:28] <dr_wu> but then again, i don't use msn either so i really don't know if kopete will work with msn..
[04:28] <rance> kopete does work with msn, I use it for that, but it is different, but then again, I am different, so different doesnt scare me
[04:29] <dr_wu> ah.. ok.
[04:30] <`Nomad> I like Gaim, it talks to all, and I can use gaim-otr, which thrills me for soem reason.. Ahhh encryption..
[04:30] <rance> I just used a stock kubuntu install for as long as I could till I could get used to the debian package layout
[04:31] <calilasseia> Oh no, it mentions NetBeans .... I **hate** NetBeans with a vengeance ....
[04:31] <rance> after all I was new to the "debianesqe" way of doing things while I was new to kubuntu at the same time.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hi again calilasseia
[04:31] <calilasseia> Hello hobbsee ...
[04:32] <Hobbsee> did you get more help with the networking?
[04:32] <rance> well, nite all
[04:33] <rance> thanks for the insite and help
[04:33] <dr_wu> nite. me too..
[04:33] <Nirvana> coolest topic title ever: So NOOB that a NOOB would laugh at me (from kubuntuforums.net)
[04:35] <Nirvana> Lonnneeeely...I'm so lonnneeeely...I've got nobaaawwwddyy, bah I don't know the words of this song...
[04:35] <calilasseia> Going to try the networking tomorrow Hobbsee ... when I get access to the target machine ...
[04:35] <`Nomad> guys, with Sun's java it works very well :)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> calilasseia: gotcha - there should be a networking troubleshooting guide on ubuntu wiki - probably worth findign it and printing it out
[04:36] <Nirvana> doesn't Sun just brighten your day :)
[04:36] <calilasseia> Right, will give that a shot too - thanks Hobbsee ...
[04:36] <Hobbsee> no problems
[04:38] <calilasseia> What works Nomad?
[04:39] <`Nomad> oo.base
[04:39] <`Nomad> following the instructions given by !java
[04:40] <calilasseia> Ah .... was hoping you'd say OpenOffice Base finally worked :)
[04:40] <calilasseia> Guess I couldn't get that lucky :)
[04:41] <calilasseia> My luck with such things is usually abysmal ....
[04:41] <calilasseia> Put it this way, if Liz Hurley had triplets I'd be the one on the bottle ....
[04:42] <calilasseia> Oh yes - one minor thing to clear up on my own installation ... I installed Skype recently .... every time I start up Kubuntu, Skype appears whether I want it to or not ...
[04:43] <calilasseia> How do I remove it from the startup list (if that's where it is) ...???
[04:43] <nikita> i was trying to tune timidity to play midis, now it says: "No instrument mapped to tone bank 0, program 50 - this instrument will not be heard" what am i supposed to do to make that thing work?
[04:43] <nikita> =)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> calilasseia: check if there's a symlink in either Autostart folder
[04:44] <Hobbsee> one's ~/.kde/Autostart, forgotten where the other one is
[04:44] <`Nomad> cali: And also your session is saved from the last time.. That oen almost drove me nuts.. Well nuttier
[04:44] <Nirvana> nikita: check timidity's website, it's not a Kubuntu problem, it looks like a program problem
[04:45] <`Nomad> it's /usr/share/Autostart I think
[04:45] <calilasseia> Ah ... of course - session details are saved ...
[04:45] <`Nomad> Calil: OpenOffice Base DOES work :)
[04:45] <nikita> Nirvana: ok, i will, but i tried Kmid  as well and it gives and error as well =(
[04:45] <calilasseia> Oh it DOES Nomad????
[04:46] <`Nomad> I hav ejust inserted fields in a report, now trying to see how to generate
[04:46] <`Nomad> If it works this well, rance shoudl be very happy with it, and I'll be impressed
[04:46] <`Nomad> your report can be emailed, saved to PDF, etc..
[04:46] <`Nomad> mail merged
[04:47] <calilasseia> So how did you get it to accept table creation Nomad?
[04:48] <`Nomad> Sun Java
[04:48] <`Nomad> but I had to overwrite the database I'd created with Blackdown's
[04:49] <calilasseia> So I go to sun.java.com, get Sun's java runtime and install it???
[04:49] <`Nomad> !java
[04:49] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:50] <`Nomad> do you see the java stuff when I do !java ?
[04:50] <calilasseia> Er, no ... all I see is your text with the "!" in it ...
[04:50] <`Nomad> It's near teh bottom of  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:51] <`Nomad> ubotu tell calilasseia about java
[04:51] <`Nomad> have fun, now I'm off to bed
[04:51] <`Nomad> bye all
[04:52] <Nirvana> nikita: I found a site in French http://lea-linux.org/pho/read/20/272757/274765
[04:52] <calilasseia> Got it - it says install j2SE ....
[04:52] <Nirvana> nikita: I can work on reading that
[04:52] <calilasseia> but do NOT install one of the JDK or J2EE versions ....
[04:52] <calilasseia> Could be fun ....
[04:53] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[04:54] <Nirvana> !javadebs
[04:55] <calilasseia> Oh those autostart folders ... one's in usr/share, the other is in /home/yourusername/.kde ....
[04:55] <calilasseia> Can't find any mention of Skype in either though ....
[04:56] <Nirvana> OMG, the lead guitarist of System Of A Down is crazy
[04:56] <eightiesk> !skype
[04:56] <ubotu> from memory, skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[04:57] <calilasseia> That's where I got it from .... now how do I stop it auto running every time I start up Kubuntu?
[04:57] <Nirvana> check your autostart folders
[04:57] <Nirvana> try "whereis skype"
[04:58] <calilasseia> Ah, there's a usr/share/skype entry ....
[05:02] <calilasseia> There's also an executable copy in /usr/bin/X11 under the name usr/bin/X11/skype ... could that be auto running?
[05:06] <calilasseia> OK, it's 4 am here and I need my sleep :)
[05:06] <calilasseia> I'll deal with more of this when I've had some shuteye:)
[05:06] <calilasseia> Bye everyone ....
[05:11] <LiteHedded> anybody got a newsvine invite?
[05:17] <frank23> does the firefox update really help for memory leaks?
[05:19] <Nirvana> frank23: it might vary from system to system
[05:19] <frank23> I hope it does. Firefox is really bad on memory for me
[05:20] <Knowerrors> Anybody know how to use Krita, to change the pallet range?  I have an image with 65000 colors, need to change it to 250
[05:28] <saguro134> can anyone help me please?
[05:28] <saguro134> I can't get X server to start.
[05:28] <saguro134> "no screens found" is the error
[05:28] <Nirvana> edit xorg.conf
[05:28] <saguro134> and I've tried to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:28] <Nirvana> what does it say saguro134?
[05:28] <xwolf-> does wine have a GUI?
[05:28] <saguro134> what do I edit?
[05:29] <saguro134> (EE) No devices attached
[05:29] <ilba7r> saguro134, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:30] <Nirvana> he tried that ilba7r
[05:30] <ilba7r> in a command line login
[05:30] <ilba7r> saguro134, try to login in safe mode
[05:30] <saguro134> done it.
[05:30] <saguro134> still isn't working.
[05:30] <saguro134> even when I go to like failsafe resolutions and freqa.
[05:30] <saguro134> done.
[05:30] <saguro134> oh.
[05:30] <saguro134> and I still can't get x
[05:30] <saguro134> but I'm at the prompt now
[05:31] <ilba7r> saguro134, did you play with it. was that after installation or did it work before
[05:32] <julius> konversasion is pretty nice
[05:32] <julius> I think I like it more than xchat
[05:32] <saguro134> no... this was from right after the install that it died.  I havn'
[05:32] <saguro134> t been in X once yet
[05:33] <ilba7r> !hardware
[05:33] <ubotu> [hardware]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[05:33] <saguro134> anybody have any ideas?
[05:33] <ilba7r> check your hardware if it is supported saguro134
[05:33] <Nirvana> ^^ read that
[05:33] <ilba7r> follow ubotu link
[05:33] <saguro134> X800GT pci-x?
[05:34] <saguro134> it doesn't mention anything.
[05:34] <saguro134> F***
[05:34] <ilba7r> saguro134, do you know if you are using the ati or fglrx drivers
[05:35] <saguro134> so i just partitioned my HDD for nothing?
[05:35] <ilba7r> and watch your lang you will not get support this way
[05:35] <saguro134> I forget what command to use to check...
[05:35] <saguro134> it's been like 2 years since I toyed w/ Linux
[05:35] <ilba7r> saguro134, type /join #ubuntu might find someone who can help there too
[05:36] <saguro134> I'm pretty sure I used the standard ones w/ kubuntu 5.10 which should be the fglrx
[05:36] <ilba7r> lspci
[05:36] <saguro134> I've been there already.
[05:36] <ilba7r> is that what you are looking for
[05:36] <saguro134> nobody's answering.
[05:36] <ilba7r> fglrx is buggy use the standard ati
[05:37] <ilba7r> saguro134, can you paste the contents of your xorg.conf file found under /etc/X11/ in the pastebin
[05:38] <saguro134> thanks.
[05:39] <saguro134> lsmod says an unrecognized  device
[05:39] <saguro134> 554
[05:40] <ilba7r> saguro134, perhaps the drive is not supported yet. I am afraid you will have to do some research on that
[05:41] <ilba7r> an easy way to check is get the latest MEPIS they have good hardware support and they are uptodate right now
[05:47] <scorp007> The settings under system settings->sharing->file sharing are all disabled... why is this?
[05:51] <eidolon> eek.  why is 'amarok' held backon dapper?  if i do an 'apt-get dist-upgrade', i get 'following packages will be removed: amarok, amarok-gstreamer' ?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> eidolon: yes, but amarok-xine gets added
[05:53] <Hobbsee> they must have decided to switch away from gstreamer to xine
[05:53] <eidolon> right, but why remove amarok?
[05:54] <duklas> hey all
[05:55] <duklas> newbie in need of help!:P
[05:55] <duklas> anyone?
[05:56] <ilba7r> duklas, just cast your question if someone know the answer he/she will help
[05:56] <duklas> o ok
[05:57] <duklas> thing is i just installed kubuntu in a vaio vgn-s3xp and when the system loads sometimes the desktop becomes fuzzy
[05:57] <duklas> i dunno how to describe it best
[05:58] <duklas> it is still functional but i can't clearly see what's going on
[05:58] <duklas> makes sense to anyone?
[05:58] <ilba7r> !fixtures
[05:58] <ubotu> ilba7r: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:58] <ilba7r> mm seems you need to adjust the setting of your monitor
[05:58] <ilba7r> is that describe what you complain about
[05:59] <ilba7r> but it should be always fuzzy not occasionaly !!!
[06:00] <duklas> hmm
[06:00] <duklas> fe when i log on its ok
[06:00] <duklas> after a while it messes up
[06:00] <duklas> but it may not
[06:00] <duklas> :)
[06:01] <duklas> sorry if i make not much sense fellas
[06:01] <duklas> just struggling to get rid of the MS disease:(
[06:01] <ilba7r> duklas i am sorry i do not know what is wrong maybe another can help or you can check in ubuntu room
[06:02] <ilba7r> type /join #ubuntu
[06:02] <duklas> thnx though for trying ilba7r
[06:02] <ilba7r> my guess would be problems with mem
[06:02] <ilba7r> but am not sure better check with others
[06:05] <duklas> thnx m8
[06:06] <stupendo44> Problem: when I try to start Krita, it says "Cannot start Krita: no colorspaces available". I should note that I upgraded to KOffice 1.5 beta earlier today.
[06:11] <fede> hola
[06:15] <keegan> sdf
[06:15] <eightiesk> !windowsmobile
[06:15] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[06:16] <eightiesk> ne1 here no what i can use for my pocket pc?
[06:16] <eightiesk> !pocketpc
[06:16] <ubotu> eightiesk: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:16] <eightiesk> !ppc
[06:16] <ubotu> [ppc]  PowerPC. Macs, IBMs. Nicer than Intel.
[06:16] <eightiesk> !smartphone
[06:16] <ubotu> somebody said smartphone was a guide to syncing smartphones can be found here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=86302
[06:18] <eightiesk> !pda
[06:18] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[06:24] <gatolas> helf where are thou
[06:26] <fredcanada614> if someone where are able to help me?
[06:29] <gatolas> ask an ye shall find out
[06:31] <fredcanada614> so, i did some updae , i install kdevelop, and now, kde show and error end is starting
[06:34] <fredcanada614> if someone know how to fix that problem?
[06:35] <ilba7r> fredcanada614, if you can just state your problem more clearly. what type of error
[06:37] <fredcanada614> hum, a box "You need to seed this bug...."
[06:37] <fredcanada614> send*
[06:37] <ilba7r> fredcanada614, you will see that box a lot on kde
[06:37] <fredcanada614> i know, but i cant login
[06:38] <ilba7r> just send it you just had a crash and the recovery is easy
[06:38] <fredcanada614> this is the first thing that i saw
[06:38] <fredcanada614> how to recovery?
[06:38] <gatolas> ilba7r: ouch. does that happen in kde 3.5 a lot?
[06:39] <fredcanada614> no, 3.4
[06:39] <ilba7r> gatolas, not the stuff on not being able to login. but packages do crash occasionaly
[06:39] <ilba7r> kbear is one of the most frequent crashers
[06:40] <ilba7r> fredcanada614, you need to give us more information in order we can help
[06:40] <ilba7r> you can not boot into kde or you can not login with your username and account
[06:41] <cgentry72> can someone tell me what i edit? when i put in a dvd - Totem wants to play the dvd which sucks.. how do i get it to load xime automatically?
[06:42] <fredcanada614> ok, y start my computer, i saw grub, the "opening animation of kubuntu", i saw X server starting, end just a moment after, i saw the kde background and the error box
[06:42] <fredcanada614> so, i dont saw the login box
[06:42] <fredcanada614> kde have problem before
[06:43] <ilba7r> fredcanada614, did you make an upgrade of kde?
[06:43] <ilba7r> kdevelop have nothing to do with your problem by the way
[06:44] <fredcanada614> no, just install koffice, kdevelop, and update kdevelop lib
[06:44] <ilba7r> would you like to upgrade kde might help your problem
[06:45] <fredcanada614> yes, how to
[06:45] <ilba7r> for frankly i do not know what cause this problem
[06:45] <ilba7r> fredcanada614, ok when you login login in safe mode
[06:45] <ilba7r> this will give you a terminal
[06:45] <fredcanada614> how to start in safe mode?
[06:45] <fredcanada614> .. okok...
[06:46] <ilba7r> fredcanada614, on the login screen you select it
[06:46] <layertoo> anyone in here using openldap to authenticate?
[06:46] <nate> is xfs a stable file system?
[06:46] <fredcanada614> that work, but kde a anyway a error
[06:46] <ilba7r> after you login i will guide you to upgrade kde
[06:47] <fredcanada614> my kubuntu is installed on multi-boot...
[06:47] <fredcanada614> 1 computer...
[06:47] <cgentry72> can someone tell me what i edit? when i put in a dvd - Totem wants to play the dvd which sucks.. how do i get it to load xime automatically?
[06:48] <ilba7r> login to the partition where you have kubuntu
[06:48] <ilba7r> cgentry72, you mean xine-ui
[06:48] <naters> So, no one knows anything about xfs?
[06:48] <cgentry72> yes sorry
[06:48] <cgentry72> long day :)
[06:49] <cgentry72> i'm lookin in kde control module - file association and dont see anything there for dvdvideo says preferred app is none
[06:49] <fredcanada614> thanks for your help.. i will try some thing else...
[06:50] <ilba7r> fredcanada614, good luck
[06:50] <gatolas> cgentry72: go browsing for multimeda>video>then choose something, like totem or or
[06:52] <T-Wolf> Gah, Dapper has pissed me off.
[06:52] <T-Wolf> I will wait until my Laptop HD gets here and then try it on that.
[06:53] <zero0> why doesn't trolltech use gcc to compile qt source but use msvc?
[06:58] <naters> what size should your /boot partition be?
[06:59] <ilba7r> naters you do not need to create a seperate partition for it
[06:59] <naters> i know, but i hear its good practice
[07:00] <ilba7r> naters, was an old practice. But good one mm do not really know
[07:00] <ZhiChiang> I encounter an issue on my Kubuntu 5.10 breezy. It took me 2 seconds to press the letter on the keyboard before the letter appears on the screen... been using the OS for months without problem.. just now,
[07:00] <naters> yeah, i generally follow good practices, mostly because i don't want to find out why they are good practices
[07:01] <ZhiChiang> does anybody encounter this issue before?
[07:03] <ilba7r> naters it was old practice because old linux could not handle large partitions. Now you might under or over utilize your space having a seperate boot partition. But again I did not research it
[07:03] <gamma> is there a good svg making app similar to inkscape for kde/qt?
[07:03] <gamma> ZhiChiang: you've got slow keys on
[07:04] <ZhiChiang> gamma: how to turn it off?
[07:04] <gatolas> bye
[07:04] <gamma> System settings/regions and accessibility/keyboard filters
[07:04] <gamma> uncheck use slow keys
[07:04] <ZhiChiang> been using gimp... i might accedentally press the hot key for slow keys
[07:05] <gamma> i don't get the point of slowkeys to be honest :P
[07:05] <ZhiChiang> thanks... will try this
[07:06] <ZhiChiang> this might be usefull for old people.. slow in typing hehehe just kidding... i dont get the point either
[07:06] <ZhiChiang> thanks
[07:06] <ZhiChiang> :)
[07:06] <ZhiChiang> laters
[07:06] <gamma> np :P
[07:09] <stupendo44> gamma: what's wrong with running inkscape on kde?
[07:09] <gamma> i was hoping they had a qt-inkscape :P
[07:09] <Tm_T> heh
[07:09] <gamma> i wanted to avoid gtk apps if possible
[07:09] <stupendo44> not that I know of
[07:09] <stupendo44> so you don't use firefox?
[07:09] <gamma> karbon14 from koffice does svg..
[07:10] <Tm_T> stupendo44: yuk, no!
[07:10] <gamma> why would i when konqueror owns <#
[07:10] <gamma> err <3
[07:10] <stupendo44> not compared to firefox
[07:10] <stupendo44> I can't stand konqueror
[07:10] <gamma> what does firefox have that konq doesnt?
[07:10] <Tm_T> gamma: leak memory?
[07:10] <stupendo44> I don't know specifically
[07:10] <stupendo44> Tm_T: that must be it... :)
[07:11] <Tm_T> because Fxis known to leak
[07:11] <gamma> firefox is slow in linux
[07:11] <stupendo44> does Konq have extensions?
[07:11] <gamma> windows it's blazing
[07:11] <stupendo44> can it use firefox ext?
[07:11] <Tm_T> stupendo44: what kind of extensions?
[07:11] <gamma> stupendo44: nopers, but it's got adblock and "plugins"
[07:11] <stupendo44> extensions like firefox does
[07:11] <Tm_T> stupendo44: yes, but extension to do what
[07:11] <stupendo44> well, that's a major killer. I can do anything I want with firefox
[07:12] <gamma> stupendo44: plugins = extensions there chief
[07:12] <Tm_T> that might be builtin to konqueror
[07:12] <stupendo44> I'll tell you what I have to give you an idea
[07:14] <gamma> the way i see it.. if i want to run thunderbird, gimp, inkscape, gaim and all that stuff then i might as well be using gnome
[07:14] <gamma> kde and qt apps do everything i need them to do..
[07:15] <stupendo44> Change text links into clickable link, quick translate page, bugmenot built-in, quick dictionary search, greasemonkey, alternating stop-reload button, google images relinker, copy image to clipboard, tab mix plus for awesome tab control, targetalert puts icons next to links so I know what kind they are before I click, siteadvisor, How'd I get here
[07:15] <stupendo44> I bet you there's definitely some things in there that konq can't do.
[07:15] <stupendo44> I'm not trying to start a flame war, btw...
[07:15] <stupendo44> do you have a link to a konq plugins page?
[07:16] <gamma> no greasemonkey, or site advisor other than that konq can pretty much do all the other stuff
[07:16] <stupendo44> what is autocomplete in konq?
[07:16] <gamma> tab mix plus (?) either
[07:16] <gamma> what do you mean? what is it like?
[07:17] <stupendo44> so it will automatically add the www and .com after a url without having to type it
[07:17] <stupendo44> it's very convenient in any other browser. usually it's ctrl + enter
[07:18] <gamma> default action for typing a word in while do locate: on that word
[07:18] <stupendo44> ?
[07:18] <stupendo44> what kind of tab control does konq have? can I have it close a tab when I doubleclick?
[07:18] <gamma> if i type cheese in it'll do a local search of the word cheese
[07:19] <stupendo44> so you have to type the tld?
[07:19] <gamma> stupendo44: why not try it and mess with options
[07:19] <gamma> konq has built in spell check which firefox doesn't
[07:19] <stupendo44> well, I thought you would know. I'm giving you some ideas of why I like firefox better.
[07:19] <stupendo44> firefox has a spell-check extension, same thing
[07:20] <gamma> adblock, translate, dictionary, browser identification, web shortcuts, bookmark tabs to folder, web page archival
[07:20] <gamma> website validator, text to speech
[07:21] <gamma> it basically can do everything firefox does.. minus like sarge and the gmail checker
[07:21] <stupendo44> text to speech sounds interesting
[07:22] <stupendo44> oh, and konq isn't for windows, is it?
[07:22] <gamma> never tried it.. just saw it was there
[07:22] <gamma> no
[07:22] <gamma> stupendo44: it can do the acid2 test also
[07:22] <gamma> firefox isn't fully w3c complient
[07:22] <stupendo44> I don't see any tab control options
[07:23] <stupendo44> no browser is fully compliant
[07:23] <gamma> web behhavior/tabbed browsing
[07:23] <gamma> konqueror is
[07:23] <stupendo44> but I will admit that konq is more compliant than ff
[07:23] <gamma> http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/
[07:23] <gamma> go there on konq-3.5
[07:23] <gamma> and then take it on ff
[07:24] <ilba7r> gamma, just a question out for cur. does konq support saving sessions?
[07:24] <stupendo44> good one
[07:24] <stupendo44> the new tab mix plus includes it, and I can hardly do without it
[07:24] <gamma> ilba7r: it's got view profiles you can save
[07:24] <stupendo44> crash recovery?
[07:24] <gamma> includes what?
[07:25] <stupendo44> includes sessions and crash recovery
[07:25] <gamma> dunno konq hasn't crashed on me yet
[07:25] <ilba7r> gamma, its saving whatever tabbed windows you had so that you can autoload them again
[07:25] <stupendo44> I don't see where you pointed me for tabbed browsing
[07:25] <stupendo44> nm
[07:25] <ilba7r> ilba7r, i just loved this stuff in opera and was glad to see it in firefox
[07:25] <gamma> web behavior?
[07:26] <gamma> are you on kde3.5?
[07:26] <stupendo44> I got it
[07:26] <gamma> ilba7r: yea you can save all tabs.. and you can bookmark all tabs to a folder
[07:26] <stupendo44> There's "Behavior" and "Web Behavior". bad design imho
[07:26] <gamma> it's a file manager too...
[07:26] <stupendo44> well of course you can do that...
[07:27] <ilba7r> gamma, i know i used to run kde
[07:27] <stupendo44> I don't need a file manager, I have konq...
[07:27] <ilba7r> thanx for the info
[07:27] <gamma> lol you asked me
[07:27] <stupendo44> lol
[07:29] <damnhil> what package has glib-config ?
[07:29] <stupendo44> well, the lack of the CTRL + ENTER (as well as shift and shift+ctrl in firefox) functionality seems pretty lacking for a supposedly good browser. Would really slow me down...
[07:29] <gamma> stupendo44: did you look at configure shortcuts?
[07:30] <Tm_T> please don't, you might find something...
[07:30] <gamma> lol
[07:30] <gamma> konq has it all, just it might not be in the "right" place ;)
[07:30] <stupendo44> don't see it
[07:31] <gamma> settings menu/configure shortcuts
[07:31] <stupendo44> I saw that
[07:31] <stupendo44> I don't see anything like the function that I'm talking about
[07:31] <stupendo44> and since you at first didn't know what I meant...
[07:31] <stupendo44> even if it did have it, not being set by default seems pretty strange
[07:36] <damnhil> how do I download a package without installing them
[07:36] <sampan> damnhil  you can go to http://packages.ubuntu.com (iirc) and manually d/l packages
[07:37] <gamma> damnhil: apt-get -d programname
[07:37] <sampan> gamma's way is probably easier ;x
[07:37] <gamma> dunno where it stores the files once it gets them though :P
[07:38] <sampan> lol
[07:38] <sampan> probably some /var/apt/cache or somesuch
[07:38] <sampan> /var/cache/apt -- maybe?
[07:42] <gamma> oh.. new to kubuntu.. i was a gentoo man :P
[07:43] <sampan> new to linux ... i was a windows man :( so i'm allowed to be clueless
[07:47] <gamma> what made you switch?
[07:48] <Tm_T>  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:49] <sampan> too many security updates, silly having to "authenticate" to do so, too expensive to buy a legit copy of an OS simply because i built my pc instead of buying an OEM one, all the time it was taking to do virus scans/trojan scans/etc. etc. -- finally i'd just had enough
[07:49] <Tm_T> hehe
[07:49] <sampan> :D
[07:50] <gamma> i switched to linux 4 years ago for that reason, and there wasn't even that much crap out there as there is no
[07:50] <gamma> w
[07:50] <Tm_T> I'm proud owner of legal copy of DOS 6.22
[07:50] <gamma> Tm_T: how much did that cost you?
[07:50] <gamma> i thought it was dumb to have to pay 60 bucks for a stupid useless app like a disk defragmenter or 60 bucks for cd burning software
[07:51] <Tm_T> gamma: I got it with my laptop, 486sx2 22MHz and 8M ram, 20 
[07:51] <gamma> haha oh
[07:51] <sampan> gamma, i guess i never really even thought there were viable alternatives (plus, i was a hardcore gamer for a couple years too)
[07:51] <Tm_T> haha
[07:51] <gamma> if i kept buying software in windows it'd cost me easily 1000 dollar
[07:51] <gamma> s
[07:51] <sampan> lol
[07:51] <gamma> yea that's most windows user's problems
[07:51] <gamma> they think that's the only solution
[07:51] <sampan> yep
[07:52] <Tm_T> "it can't be good because it's not widely used"
[07:52] <gamma> luckily apple is getting some popularity due to itunes and people are buying macs
[07:52] <Tm_T> "free can't be good because then noone would pay"
[07:52] <gamma> my friend who is an idiot when it comes to computers bought a g5 the other day..
[07:52] <sampan> so the time it's taken to learn (the little i know about linux) i figure is just a useful investment of the time i used to spend on security crap
[07:52] <gamma> exactly
[07:53] <gamma> spend more time using your system rather than fixing it
[07:53] <Tm_T> "but I have to learn something, that's evil" ;(
[07:53] <sampan> yep ... learning something useful instead of repetitive task of putting out security fires
[07:53] <gamma> but learning is fun!
[07:53] <Tm_T> too many people think that way
[07:54] <gamma> ubuntu you don't even have to learn linux really
[07:54] <Tm_T> gamma: that's what I think, but most of people don't
[07:54] <gamma> no compiling software or kernels or manually configuring stuff
[07:55] <sampan> gamma, that's true; sorta why after 8 months of ubuntu i still don't know as much as i could -- tis okay by me though, i do have other learning work i have to do each day
[07:56] <sampan> it's a nice medium -- if i want to i can delve in and learn the nuts and bolts, but i'm not forced to do so at every step
[07:56] <gamma> yea exactly
[07:57] <sampan> and as a bonus there are winning personalities that come with kubuntu -- like tm_t hobbsee and kkathman-zzzz ;)
[07:57] <Tm_T> rrrrhhh
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hehe @ sampan
[07:57] <sampan> lol
[07:57] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[07:57] <Tm_T> kidding
[07:58] <sampan> :X
[07:58] <Tm_T> ssshhhh
[07:58] <Tm_T> that never happened!
[07:58] <sampan> what never happened?
[07:58] <gamma> http://home.cfl.rr.com/gamma/images/ss-kde.png latest desktop here :D
[07:58] <Tm_T> what?
[07:59] <Tm_T> humm, what's my latest...
[07:59] <Hobbsee> nice desktop
[08:00] <sampan> gamma, what icon set is that?
[08:00] <sampan> awww hobbsee ... that wounds me!
[08:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:00] <gamma> crystal clear
[08:00] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:00] <Hobbsee> yeah, crystal clear does look nice
[08:00] <gamma> @ linuxcult.com
[08:00] <sampan> nice
[08:00] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_102.png
[08:00] <gamma> i love it.. it's like a crystal osx looking theme
[08:00] <Tm_T> that for example
[08:01] <gamma> Tm_T: you don't look like you're a big man for eye candy :P
[08:01] <Tm_T> gamma: hey, that's pekwm
[08:02] <sampan> my desktop is way too plain-jane to even show you guys
[08:02] <gamma> i hate pekwm.. i used to use it a lot, but every cvs update of it they ended up changing the theming api
[08:02] <gamma> so i gave up
[08:02] <Tm_T> gamma: heh, I don't really use it, just playing around with it
[08:04] <gamma> good :D
[08:04] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_099.png && http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_103.png
[08:05] <gamma> hmm not bad
[08:05] <gamma> i've got so many tray icons running it isn't even funny
[08:05] <gamma> I've got 12 atm
[08:06] <Tm_T> phuoh, I need someone to pay me so I can do all KDE/Kubuntu devel things I like to do
[08:07] <Tm_T> there's small possibility I get sponsor for summer
[08:07] <gamma> why what do you do? make artwork?
[08:07] <Tm_T> and try to code, debug...
[08:08] <Tm_T> I find my place between users and coders
[08:08] <Tm_T> so, artwork and ui & all user experience related
[08:08] <gamma> i help @ the forums and here when i can.. that's how i give back
[08:09] <Tm_T> heh
[08:09] <Tm_T> I never help ;(
[08:09] <gamma> i'm also thinking of working on some kind of application that will sync all documents, contacts, bookmarks and calender events with a network
[08:09] <Tm_T> just yelling "utfgyn!"
[08:09] <Tm_T> sampan: right?
[08:09] <sampan> tm_t, that information i cannot divulge
[08:10] <sampan> i've been threatened into silence
[08:10] <Tm_T> =)
[08:10] <sampan> ;x
[08:10] <gamma> haha
[08:10] <Tm_T> 7kick sampan stfuyn!
[08:10] <Tm_T> whoopsie
[08:10] <sampan> :X
[08:10] <sampan> my lips are sealed!
[08:11] <Tm_T> speak, child
[08:12] <sampan> and give you an excuse to boot me?  no way, jose!
[08:12] <Tm_T> I will!
[08:13] <sampan> oh my
[08:14] <Tm_T> erh, where's that big red button with "kick sampan" sticker on it
[08:14] <sampan> :(
[08:14] <Tm_T> ;)
[08:14] <sampan> don't they issue that to all the kubuntu ops?
[08:14] <sampan> i thought it was standard issue
[08:14] <Tm_T> meh meh
[08:15] <Tm_T> aye aye sir! back to work (there's only 1061 emails to read) ->
[08:15] <sampan> enjoy!
[08:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:15] <LiteHedded> where does superkaramba put installed themes?
[08:16] <Hobbsee> ~/.superkaramba, perhaps?
[08:16] <LiteHedded> don't see em in there
[08:18] <Hobbsee> LiteHedded: ~/.kde/share/apps/superkaramba/themes/
[08:18] <Hobbsee> try there
[08:19] <gamma> BED ALL
[08:22] <LiteHedded> I'm clicking add to desktop but I don't see anything
[08:33] <Saguro134> hey.. anyone know why I can't get my x800gt to work in kubuntu?  I know it's not supported, but even after I install the ati drivers, it fails..
[08:33] <Saguro134> can/has anyone installed them before?
[08:34] <morrow> did you try the current ati drivers from their homepage?
[08:35] <morrow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI has a guide for this
[08:36] <Saguro134> yeah..  maybe i didn't install then right?
[08:36] <Saguro134> I made the file executable (b/c it wasn't)
[08:36] <Saguro134> ran it as su,
[08:36] <Saguro134> then ran dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg, and chose the fglrx...
[08:36] <Saguro134> it does?  many thanks!
[08:37] <morrow> i have no idea if the x800gt is already supported by ati. So if it fails again it could be to new :/
[08:38] <Saguro134> ugh.
[08:38] <Saguro134> dumb question..  I need to apt get the equiv. of linux-686, but I have the x86_64
[08:38] <Saguro134> tried that, but no go
[08:38] <Saguro134> "apgt-get install linux-x86_64'
[08:38] <Saguro134> couldn't find the package.
[08:41] <LiteHedded> i need vnc help
[08:43] <nalioth> Saguro134: search for "linux-image"
[08:44] <Saguro134> where?
[08:44] <nalioth> Saguro134: and since you already are running amd64, you may have more trouble than you think
[08:44] <nalioth> Saguro134: did you not mention "apt" ?
[08:44] <Saguro134> how come?
[08:44] <morrow> Saguro134: i think ati kernel module is not available for x86_64
[08:44] <Saguro134> yeah... why?
[08:44] <Saguro134> 32-bit?
[08:45] <nalioth> Saguro134: if you want more compability, you should have used the i386 version of kubuntu
[08:45] <Saguro134> they have one @ their site..
[08:45] <Saguro134> I downloaded it..
[08:46] <Saguro134> but I loose my 64-bit edge, no?
[08:46] <nalioth> Saguro134: if you have amd64 for an 'edge' you trade the 'edge' for incompatibilities
[08:47] <LiteHedded> where do you set up the sounds for kopete?
[08:48] <Saguro134> haha..  I havn't used linux in like two years, and I just bought this thing, so I partitioned up and thought I'd try Kubuntu-64
[08:49] <nalioth> Saguro134: you lose the ability to easily use flash, w32codecs, etc
[08:51] <Saguro134> is that why I can't see any flash pages?
[08:51] <Saguro134> f
[08:51] <Saguro134> wow.. what a wasted install.
[08:54] <Saguro134> no way to view flash?
[08:54] <Saguro134> at all?
[08:55] <Saguro134> a friend of mine uses gentoo and I'm sure he can.. no?
[08:55] <Saguro134> he's 64-bit.
[08:55] <Saguro134> brb
[08:57] <frank23> should I be able to find usb devices in /dev ?
[08:58] <Saguro134> how do I see if I got the drivers working properly?
[08:58] <Saguro134> lsmod?
[08:59] <nalioth> Saguro134: you can run anything you like in a 32bit chroot
[08:59] <nalioth> Saguro134: but that is a PITA
[08:59] <frank23> Saguro134: its possible to have flash and w32codecs in a 64 bit install. just more complicated
[08:59] <Saguro134> pita?
[08:59] <Saguro134> can you direct me to a place where I might learn>?
[09:00] <frank23> I just use the 32 bit version of ubuntu and save hours of pain and misery
[09:00] <Saguro134> I'm a masochist?
[09:00] <nalioth> pain in the arse
[09:00] <Saguro134> ;p
[09:01] <Saguro134> so yeah...how can I check to see if I actually got these drivers loaded and I'm not still using the vesa one?
[09:06] <nalioth> Saguro134: look at your /etc/xorg.conf
[09:10] <Saguro134> I don't have one?!
[09:13] <nalioth> !fixres
[09:13] <ubotu> Please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:13] <nalioth> Saguro134: that wiki will tell you what to do
[09:15] <Saguro134> I did it all w/o error..  I just wanted to see?  ah well.
[09:15] <Saguro134> one last question... I've downloaded limewire and azerus...  do I still make install / install?
[09:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Saguro134 about limewire
[09:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Saguro134 about azureus
[09:35] <visik7> howcan I file a bug for kde3.5.1 that isn't in breezy
[09:35] <owner> !bugzilla
[09:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu's bugzilla ( http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com ) is now closed to new bugs.  The new bugtracker is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[09:35] <LiteHedded> why does my clock show the timezone?
[09:35] <LiteHedded> it says new york under the clock
[09:36] <owner> you can change that
[09:36] <LiteHedded> how?
[09:36] <nalioth> LiteHedded: right clicking may show you options
[09:38] <snapy> hello there, I would like to ask you what the arts daemon is useful for
[09:39] <snapy> I always work in my local PC and don't need to forward the sound from a distant machine
[09:39] <owner> arts is used by some kde apps
[09:39] <owner> but can safely be disabled
[09:39] <owner> can be
[09:39] <snapy> and Gnome applications seem to have a delay with the arts daemon
[09:40] <snapy> ok, so if I disable arts, I can still fully use amarok and company?
[09:40] <visik7> how can I mail to maintainer of ubuntu package if Mainteiner is still the one of debian
[09:40] <owner> if you are using gstreamer output yes snapy
[09:40] <owner> or xine
[09:41] <snapy> thanks owner, I'll have to check that of gstreamer later
[09:42] <jordan> i'm having trouble installing kde 3.5.1 on kubuntu 5.10... any help?... isn't there an easy way to upgrade using programs??
[09:42] <snapy> visik7: I guess you can contact him as usual, just make it clear that you are using the ubuntu version of the package
[09:42] <snapy> of course it is up to him to react
[09:43] <owner> jordan be specific
[09:43] <owner> what is your issue
[09:43] <visik7> snapy: I don't think they'll be pleased of it
[09:43] <snapy> If you have a specific bug you may propose him to test it and file it in the Debian BTS
[09:44] <jordan> im completely new to linux but i like it.... i have no idea how to start to upgrade the kde... i've only downloaded the konstruct for it and don't know where to go from there
[09:44] <owner> !kde3.5
[09:44] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[09:45] <jordan> ok tks... where do i find the sources.list?
[09:46] <Hobbsee>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:47] <jordan> ok and last question... this is exactly what i put in the sources.list... "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main" ??
[09:48] <owner> y
[09:48] <snapy> jordan: yes, but don't forget to issue "apt-get update" as root to make the change effective
[09:49] <nalioth> snapy: there is no root here
[09:49] <snapy> malioth:  root or "sudo -s"
[09:49] <jordan> ok tks guys
[09:51] <nalioth> snapy: if you ask *buntu devs, they suggest sudo -i
[09:51] <nalioth> snapy: and sudo works great for all my tasks
[09:51] <snapy> malioth:  ok, I must admit that I have just arrived to (k)ubuntu world from Debian
[09:51] <snapy> and I had used sudo before
[09:51] <nalioth> ubotu: tell snapy about root
[09:52] <nalioth> snapy: root comes disabled by design. enabling it breaks things
[09:54] <snapy> malioth:  I was not realising I was talking to a bot :)
[09:54] <jordan> snapy: i just opened up the sources.list and where do i put the deb... line?? at the very bottom?
[09:54] <snapy> I am not still too familiar with IRC
[09:55] <snapy> jordan: any place will do.  Put it at the button with a comment saying that the line applies for KDE5 in Breezy
[09:55] <jordan> ok
[09:56] <snapy> nalioth: so just to close up the root password issue...
[09:56] <snapy> I see that all documentation asks for sudo <blah blah> and I think I understand their point
[09:57] <snapy> but however I had once to set up remotely samba via the web admin swat
[09:57] <snapy> and the only way to do it was entering as root with a root password
[09:58] <snapy> so I don't know if some procedures related with remote server administration (different from desktop usage) would require the root password anyhow
[10:02] <jordan> awesome! it looks like everythings working, tks
[10:03] <jordan> i got a little poll for anyone... which do you prefer, KDE or GNOME??
[10:03] <vge> asking in Kubuntu channel? lol
[10:03] <jordan> lol yea... im sure there are people that have tried both here
[10:04] <snapy> jordan:  I use both
[10:04] <snapy> I like konqueror as file explorer (not as web client though)
[10:04] <snapy> and I prefer evolution as mail client and callendar
[10:04] <snapy> as web browser I use galeon
[10:04] <jordan> snapy: what's ur preference?... im finding that KDE is a little more friendly and still is very powerful
[10:04] <jordan> oh ok
[10:05] <snapy> I don't like konqueror mixing my file exploring windows with my web exploring sites.
[10:05] <jordan> yea true
[10:05] <snapy> and I use emacs as editor (not vi !!!!)
[10:06] <snapy> I am anyway in a KDE session also for being able to specify application colors
[10:07] <snapy> In gnome they have all the theme stuff but there is no way to say I want my screen background grey (you need to create a whole theme for that)
[10:07] <snapy> except nautilus (that I still find it lacks many things) I prefer gtk applications
[10:07] <jordan> yea... gnome has a gdesklits for making widgets on ur desktop like a Mac... does KDE have a similar app?
[10:08] <snapy> but now I welcome the possibility of KDE 3.4 in Kubuntu to force GTK applications of a specific color
[10:08] <snapy> I don't know about the gdesklits
[10:08] <jordan> ok
[10:09] <jordan> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:09] <jordan>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeartwork-theme-icon_4%3a3.5.1-0ubuntu0breezy1_all.deb
[10:09] <jordan> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:09] <jordan> oh... i just got that message in the shell
[10:09] <snapy> jordan:  ok, don't panic :)
[10:09] <jordan> lol k
[10:10] <snapy> how did you install KDE5 did you do an apt-get upgrade or just an apt-get install <lots of packages>=
[10:10] <jordan> the upgrade using the deb... from the website
[10:10] <snapy> ?
[10:11] <snapy> ok, that's the correct way in my opinion.  But anyway we never escape to broken packages with unstable sources
[10:12] <snapy> look a little bit further up before the "Errors were encountered..." and see if you find the specific error
[10:13] <jordan> i think the specific error was the "kdeartwork-theme-icon" that i pasted because it had a colon after making it look like it was just listing them
[10:15] <jordan> yea that looks like the only error to me... i think everything else got installed ok
[10:15] <snapy> I was looking for something else more specific.  But I guess you can reproduce it again with a "sudo apt-get install kdeartwork-theme-icon"
[10:15] <jordan> ok i'll give that a try
[10:15] <snapy> (now I include the sudo so that other people don't protest :) )
[10:15] <jordan> lol
[10:17] <jordan> ok i think i fixed it... but now do i have to do an sudo apt-get install for all the other packages because i think i just unpacked and prepared the other packages and didn't install them
[10:18] <jordan> and do i have to reboot for a KDE upgrade?
[10:18] <snapy> for the apt-get install.  The difference with apt-get upgrade is that apt-get install allows the removal of conflicting packages while apt-get upgrade does not
[10:19] <jordan> oh... well shouldn't i have done an apt-get install for everything?
[10:19] <snapy> so maybe the error was caused for a file that belonged to an existing package that was not removed with apt-get upgrade (by default all files installed by packages belong to a single one)
[10:19] <snapy> but all that is just a guess
[10:20] <snapy> Launch "apt-get -f install" (with no package name) to continue the remaining half-installed packages if you still have some and then I suggest you continue with apt-get upgrade
[10:20] <jordan> oh ok... so do i have to reboot now before the KDE is upgraded to 3.5.1?
[10:21] <snapy> For reboot I would wait to have all the packages installed, that is when "sudo apt-get upgrade" does not do any more actions
[10:22] <jordan> ok i think they are all installed now... i've done what u said there... reboot then?
[10:22] <snapy> yep
[10:22] <jordan> k tks
[10:30] <jordan> snapy: i just rebooted and it didn't change.. i thinik i found the problem tho... i did sudo apt-get upgrade and it shows 101 packages that need to be upgraded but it didn't do it... how can i upgrade those 101 packages?
[10:31] <snapy> just say yes after the sudo apt-get upgrade :)
[10:32] <snapy> the upgrade was interrupted with the kdeartwork problem. apt-get -f install only finishes the half-installed packages, but that does not mean that the upgrade is finished
[10:32] <jordan> oh... that easy lol k
[10:33] <snapy> the upgrade will be finished when apt-get upgrade does not show any more packages "needed to be upgraded"
[10:33] <jordan> k
[10:33] <snapy> also
[10:34] <abu> am I the only one to have keyboard layout problems with new kde 3.5.1 ?
[10:34] <snapy> if you have some packages "left not to be uploaded", it means that these packages require removal of others and they should be installed manually with apt-get install
[10:34] <snapy> you can put all of them in a single apt-get install command (but wait until the upgrade is finished)
[10:35] <jordan> ok
[10:41] <jordan> its still not working... it says the 101 packages have been kept back... is there an install app that i should use?:
[10:44] <owner> do sudo apt-get -f install
[10:45] <snapy> jordan: (I was away, don't hesitate to hail me for this)
[10:45] <owner> i mean su, apt-get -f install
[10:46] <snapy> I think apt-get -f install would not install the kept back packages
[10:46] <snapy> for them you need to do a normal install with package names (copy-paste them with your mouse)
[10:47] <abu> please, am I the only one to have keyboard layout problems with new kde 3.5.1 ?
[10:47] <snapy> or if you are looking for an application I don't know if adept-installer should do it (I have never used it)
[10:47] <fireport> hi there
[10:48] <snapy> abu:  I suggest you are more concrete with your question.  What problems do you have?
[10:48] <fireport> how do i get nvidia-display drivers work ?
[10:49] <jordan> oh ok.. well i tried adept-installer but it kept giving me break problems
[10:50] <abu> snapy, keyboard is configured correctly in xorg.conf, but it's not correct under KDE. Trying to configure keyboard layout under kde control-center (System settings -> regional and accessibility -> keyboard layout) not a single keyoard model is available,
[10:50] <abu> snapy, so when I presse z, y appears or things like that
[10:51] <vanten> anyone knows where to find the updated koffice 1.5 beta packages that solve the problem with red and blue lines like described at http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/index.comments???
[10:51] <snapy> abu:  I'm sorry but I don't have time to look for that.  Anyway you have just given some information with which somebody else may help you
[10:52] <snapy> personally I installed (k)ubuntu with a spanish keyboard right from the installer and it seems to work with me.
[10:53] <abu> snapy, I understand. But, do you know where kde gets a list of keyboard layouts ?
[10:53] <snapy> good question
[10:53] <abu> snapy, in fact the layout is correct, but not the keyboard variant...
[10:54] <snapy> which layout and which variant are you trying to get?
[10:54] <abu> snapy, swiss keyboard, french variant
[10:54] <snapy> what about french keyboard, swiss variant, does it exist?
[10:55] <abu> snapy, that was how it was called before ubuntu 5.10, but anyway ... kde offers me no choice, not even american keyboard...
[10:57] <vanten> so no koffice 1.5 beta without ?enable-final ey?
[10:58] <snapy> abu:  I have seen two places for the keyboard options.  In preferences->peripherals and preferences->regional settings.  Have you tried both?
[10:59] <snapy> I personally have the preferences->keyboard blank and with preferences->regional_settings->keyboard layout I have many countries
[10:59] <snapy> but only one for Switzerland
[10:59] <abu> snapy, maybe a guidance problem ... how do you restore the original system-settings already ?
[11:00] <abu> oh kcontrol
[11:00] <snapy> I suggest you create a new pristine user and compare its settings with yours
[11:00] <snapy> yes there are two applications that seem to do the same thing:  system-settings and kcontrol
[11:00] <abu> snapy, good idea, do you know where those settings are kept ?
[11:01] <snapy> but we are used to it already in the GNU/Linux world
[11:01] <abu> sure :)
[11:02] <snapy> abu: look in .kde I guess
[11:02] <snapy> abu:  I have to leave now.  Good luck!!
[11:03] <jordan> snapy: what about trying a different mirror to download that packages from?... and if so, how do i delete the ones i've downloaded so far?
[11:05] <vanten> jordan: look in /var/cache/apt/archives to delete already downloaded debs
[11:05] <snapy> jordan:  (as I said :) ) I have to leave now.  I don't think there should be a problem with the mirror (or at least that another one will improve the things)
[11:06] <jordan> ok tks
[11:06] <snapy> to come back is not easy at all, I don't have any cue on that
[11:07] <snapy> but well as I said I am leaving, good luck anyway
[11:07] <abu> snapy, no keyboard list either for a new user, but keyboard is working as configured in xorg...
[11:07] <abu> snapy, thank you
[11:08] <jordan> hey does anyone have any help about installing KDE 3.5.1 on kubuntu??... i've got 101 packages that won't upgrade
[11:09] <abu> jordan, did you try dist-upgrade ?
[11:10] <jordan> yea i did apt-get dist-upgrade using root
[11:10] <abu> jordan, oh, that's that I had to do ...
[11:10] <vanten> jordan: did you add the repository for 3.5.1?
[11:10] <abu> sure
[11:12] <jordan> im new to linux.. not sure what repository is?... i added the "deb..." line into the sources.list tho
[11:13] <jordan> it looks like i've downloaded all the packages but they won't upgrade or install
[11:13] <vanten> the deb line is what i meant
[11:14] <jordan> ok.. yea i've added that
[11:59] <WW> Good Morning,  anyone here ?
[11:59] <WW> Does anyone know of a mail clinet on kubuntu ?
[12:00] <WW> I just installed Sendmail,  and I want to test it from command line
[12:00] <WW> I would use the client called 'mail'   but it doesn't seem to have made it into kubuntu solution set.   :-(
[12:02] <WW> Good Morning,
[12:02] <Tm_T> WW: morgen
[12:02] <Tm_T> WW: how about pine?
[12:02] <WW> I'll try it,  Danke
[12:03] <Tm_T> http://www.washington.edu/pine/
[12:03] <WW> Tm_T > pine: comand ont found
[12:03] <bimberi> another is 'mutt'
[12:03] <Tm_T> WW: aye, cannot be provided with distro due licences
[12:03] <WW> thanks,  any idea if these are already installed ?
[12:03] <vanten> or use sendmail itself to send a mail
[12:05] <vanten> or telnet to your port 25 and be a mailclient yourself :)
[12:07] <WW> My aim is to install Bugzilla.  When I read the installation instructions it says 'Test the mail service, Bugzilla is dependant on an e-mail system to authenticate users'
[12:07] <WW> vanten> port 25 - tooo sneaky for words
[12:08] <[Vampis] > Morning ppl :)
[12:10] <WW> vanten> OK I'm in on port 25....
[12:10] <WW> so now I need to know the format of a simple mail message ,  is that right ?
[12:10] <_brian> how do i turn off the menu panel at the top of the desktop?
[12:11] <WW> soething like header....body...end_of_file ?
[12:11] <WW> brian>  are you using Gnome or KDE ?
[12:13] <WW> brian> if you have KDE,  try a right mouse click over the K-menu,  then select Panel Menu>Configure Panel
[12:14] <WW> Does anyone know what the option 'Remove Kmenu Menu ' will do,  it sounds a little dangerous
[12:15] <Hobbsee> WW: well...it'll remove the kmenu from the kicker
[12:15] <Hobbsee> but you can always add it again, right click on kicker, add applet, select it, hit add
[12:17] <fireport> can anybody tell me how to install nvidia drivers in (k)ubuntu ?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> !nvidia
[12:17] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[12:18] <WW> vanten> on port 25 - I found HELP is helpfull.  And it looks like there is a MAIL comand there
[12:18] <WW> OK I'm reading the other screen now......
[12:23] <sezai> Hi. Is there anyone who has problems with keyboard switcher of KDE 3.5.1?
[12:23] <sezai> I installed KDE 3.5.1 yesterday.
[12:24] <sezai> And now the keyboard switcher tool (kxkb) and its configurator emnedded in kcontrol does not show strings.
[12:25] <sezai> my .xsession-errors file contains the following two lines
[12:26] <sezai> kcmshell: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program
[12:26] <sezai> QComboBox::changeItem: (comboModel) Index 0 out of range
[12:26] <sezai> is there a known solution for that problem?
[12:26] <fireport> it seems that nvidia drivers work but game et won't start
[12:27] <fireport> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[12:27] <_root> ls
[12:30] <fireport> can someone help me ?
[12:35] <fireport> can someone help me with nvidia drivers ?
[12:36] <nalioth> !nvidia
[12:36] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[12:36] <fireport> i do it already but it doesent work
[12:38] <nalioth> fireport: ask in #ubuntu
[12:38] <fireport> thx
[12:39] <balo> Can anybody explain to me why kaffeine is always starting the install wizard (if I'm in gnome)?
[12:39] <PzGren|Hunnybunn> hi
[12:40] <PzGren|Hunnybunn> anyone knows a good knowlegde-source for linux-beginners?
[12:45] <divansantana> google search kubuntu kudos faq
[12:46] <PzGren|Hunnybunn> ty
[12:46] <divansantana> k
[01:00] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:24] <divansantana> yebo? IE, yes?
[02:04] <divansantana> Kubuntu IRC channel is not busy because Kubuntu JUST WORKS!!! :D
[02:04] <Tm_T> heh
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:05] <divansantana> :D
[02:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:12] <tristan> hello
[02:12] <tristan> Someone there?
[02:13] <divansantana> Yes?
[02:13] <divansantana> tristan: ?
[02:13] <Tm_T> no, no one here
[02:14] <tristan> too badd
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> no one ever here - Kubuntu just works remember divansantana ;)
[02:14] <tristan> Any of you have both gnome and KDE?
[02:14] <Tm_T> tristan: some of usyes
[02:15] <Tm_T> errh, broken space
[02:16] <tristan> Under gnome, there is a graphical interface to connect to a remote server. I launch the graphical interface, chose Windows share, I enter the IP adress and then I can acces to the share of the computer
[02:16] <tristan> Is there the same GUI under KDE?
[02:16] <Riddell> remote:/
[02:17] <Riddell> smb:/
[02:17] <Riddell> smb4k
[02:17] <jjesse> fish:/
[02:17] <Riddell> fish won't work with windows
[02:17] <tristan> I'd like a graphic interface not a console mode
[02:17] <jjesse> oh yeah doh, didn't read it correctly
[02:17] <tristan> Anyone sees what I am talking about for gnome? I want the same for KDE
[02:17] <divansantana> Kamping_Kaiser: Wow this channel is busy now! :D I like it like that!
[02:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. yep.
[02:18] <divansantana> tristan: If you really want you can install krusader and that has some graphical connection
[02:19] <divansantana> tristan: But its not necessary open konqueror and type remote:/blah.blah.blah.boo
[02:20] <Tm_T> boo!
[02:20] <Tm_T> aye, konqueror is multitool++
[02:20] <tristan> When I tupe remote:/IPadress : no file or directory
[02:20] <divansantana> tristan: try smb:/IP
[02:20] <tristan> And I don't understand why it is built-in under gnome and why not on KDE
[02:21] <tristan> same for smb:/
[02:21] <Tm_T> err
[02:21] <Tm_T> break ->
[02:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: if those pics still need some work, hit me
[02:21] <divansantana> tristan: It is built in. Open your system go to remote places, goto samba shares and thats network neighborhood with pretty icons!!
[02:21] <Tm_T> ->
[02:22] <tristan> divansantana : yes I found. smb did not work in console but works fine with conqueror
[02:22] <tristan> konqueror sorry
[02:22] <divansantana> tristan: in konqueror you too can go to remote:/
[02:23] <tristan> yes but remote isn't working but smb works fine
[02:23] <divansantana> tristan: and then click on "add a network folder" - thats quite easy...
[02:23] <divansantana> tristan: did u type remote:/ in location bar? If so perhaps you need to upgrade to fix some wierd bug. Never not worked for me...
[02:24] <tristan> I launched Konqueror, choose network share and after samba share and I can access computer of the network running under Windows
[02:26] <morrow> i hate to say that but this kmail thing still bugs alot with imap and shared foldern :(
[02:26] <morrow> folders even
[02:28] <Red-Sox> 'ello
[02:28] <Red-Sox> how do you add repositories in kubuntu?
[02:29] <Red-Sox> well, actually, I installed ubuntu, then put kubuntu-desktop on it.... but still, in kde
[02:29] <divansantana> morrow: filed a bug? Hopefully they improve kmail some more...
[02:29] <_iNFUSiON> hey
[02:29] <divansantana> Red-Sox:kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:30] <Red-Sox> divansantana: okay, now what?
[02:30] <divansantana> Red-Sox: what do you want to do?
[02:30] <morrow> divansantana: most of them are already known
[02:30] <Red-Sox> divansantana: mulitiverse
[02:31] <Red-Sox> divansantana: can you pastebin me the correct sources.list?
[02:31] <morrow> but you're right i should file some more bugs :)
[02:31] <divansantana> add multiverse after universe and uncomment or search ubuntuforums for latest sources.list
[02:31] <divansantana> morrow: One thing I'm not keen on in KDE is that Kmail is the only native KDE mail program
[02:32] <_iNFUSiON> I have a BIG BIG problem.. I don't have internet @ linux ... when I yesterday wanted to change eth0 from "dhcp" to "manual" ip address he didn't do anything.. and after a reboot the NICs were "disabled" or "deactivated" - and no way to enable ... if I click on "enable" it lasts for 2 seconds.. and switches back to disable .. any ideas..? (damn I just wanted to change local ip address...)
[02:33] <divansantana> infusion:what do you actually want to do?
[02:33] <_iNFUSiON> my router gave me an IP .. and the portforwardings were to another ip .. so I tried to give me back the ip with the portforwardings
[02:34] <Red-Sox> divansantana: I think I got it] 
[02:34] <Red-Sox> divansantana: thank you
[02:37] <_iNFUSiON> ...I already tried to "disable" onboard LAN in bios ... and rebooted.. and restarted in the hope that kubuntu will work again with the Network interface Controller..
[02:37] <alvaro> Hello
[02:37] <_iNFUSiON> no ideas how to fix this?
[02:37] <alvaro> Please I need help with nvidia drivers, X don't work
[02:37] <alvaro> with Nvidia drivers
[02:37] <Red-Sox> hmm... now I need to be sure that it is enabled....
[02:37] <Red-Sox> how do I check that?
[02:41] <alvaro> Please someone can help me with nvidia drivers
[02:41] <deus> aiuto
[02:42] <deus> ragazzi ho messo la kubuntu
[02:42] <divansantana> infusion:Not quite sure what the prob is?
[02:42] <divansantana> alvaro: Have you tried to install automatix to install nvidia?
[02:42] <alvaro> hmm
[02:42] <alvaro> nope
[02:42] <alvaro> what's automatix??
[02:42] <deus> lancio la schel scrivo su e metto la password utente ma non mi fa diventare root
[02:42] <deus> cosa devo fare
[02:43] <Nirvana> alvaro: automatix is a "newbie-friendly" script that installs the most popular add-ons and apps for you
[02:43] <divansantana> ubuntuforums search automatix and install it and tada!
[02:43] <Nirvana> alvaro: like Mp3 playback, movie playback, and firefox
[02:43] <visik7> !automatix
[02:43] <ubotu> Automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does other harmful things like "echo -e 'ynY\n'" that are considered security risks. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications but the best thing is to read documentation.
[02:43] <alvaro> but does it work for amd 64?
[02:43] <Nirvana> ^just about to type that
[02:43] <visik7> alvaro: are u the author of amsn ?
[02:44] <alvaro> heheh
[02:44] <dipnlik> !easyubuntu
[02:44] <alvaro> nope
[02:44] <Nirvana> !easyubuntu
[02:44] <alvaro> alvaro's messenger
[02:44] <alvaro> :P
[02:44] <alvaro> my name is alvaro
[02:44] <visik7> alvaro (of amsn) should help kopete guys
[02:45] <malix_> Hi all I have a problem with quanta 3.5.1 that crash on dapper. With 3.5.0 worked for me
[02:45] <dipnlik> alvaro: use easyubuntu instead of automatix
[02:45] <Nirvana> alvaro: type this: "!easyubuntu" and follow the instructions in the PM
[02:45] <alvaro> hm
[02:45] <alvaro> I think I tried the two
[02:45] <alvaro> but some months ago
[02:45] <Nirvana> malix_: bug report?
[02:45] <alvaro> I installed linux yesterday
[02:45] <alvaro> and I followed a guide
[02:45] <malix_> I fill a bug report on lounchpad
[02:45] <alvaro> and the drivers seemed to work
[02:46] <alvaro> but then I restart, and X doesn't start
[02:46] <Tm_T> visik7: what?!
[02:46] <Nirvana> alvaro: what drivers were you installing
[02:46] <dipnlik> dumb question: why "echo -e 'ynY\n'" is a security risk?
[02:46] <Nirvana> malix0: bake cookies and hope for it to be fixed soon :P
[02:46] <Nirvana> dipnlik: I think it answers yes to questions
[02:47] <alvaro> Nirvana:  the official ones
[02:47] <Tm_T> dipnlik: it doesn't care if it's destroying whole system, it just says "yes, please do"
[02:47] <divansantana> what is easyubuntu???
[02:47] <dipnlik> Tm_T: oh i see.
[02:47] <Nirvana> alvaro: I meant for which card, etc
[02:47] <_iNFUSiON> divansantana: as I said - no connection .. no internet ... ...because the eth0 (and 1) are disabled.. and on "enabling" they switch back to disabled.. and STILL no connection to router.. nor to the internet..
[02:47] <tuxius> hi everyone
[02:47] <tuxius> ive got this major problem
[02:47] <alvaro> nvidia Geforce 7800GTX
[02:47] <Nirvana> divansanta: type !easyubuntu
[02:47] <tuxius> I've lost user and root pw
[02:47] <alvaro> Using this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074 (method 2)
[02:47] <visik7> Tm_T: nothing just complain about msn support in kopete
[02:47] <Tm_T> ubotu: tell divansantana about easyubuntu
[02:47] <dipnlik> tuxius: kill yourself? :P
[02:48] <tuxius> dipnlik: I didnt understand thatone?
[02:48] <Tm_T> visik7: yeah, it could be better, but imho propietary protocol is not in our highest priority
[02:48] <alvaro> !easyubuntu
[02:48] <ubotu> somebody said easyubuntu was an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more.  It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesnt change any settings by default. https://launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu or #easyubuntu
[02:48] <alvaro> So which one is better
[02:48] <alvaro> easy ubuntu
[02:48] <alvaro> or automatix?
[02:48] <Red-Sox> YAYA
[02:48] <Nirvana> alvaro: easyubuntu is safer, and probably better
[02:48] <malix0> Nirvana: I included the backtrace in the bug report, but there are missing symbol is it OK or I must recompile kdewebdev with --enable-debug=full?
[02:48] <Red-Sox> I did it, thank you gnomefreak and lite
[02:48] <Tm_T> alvaro: easyubuntu, it's far more secure
[02:49] <tuxius> some "buddies" have been at my house and changed both root and username password, how do i change it   back?
[02:49] <Red-Sox> oh
[02:49] <Red-Sox> wrong channel :D
[02:49] <visik7> Tm_T: it's used a lot and would be usefull if it work (at least send and recive messages without errors)
[02:49] <tuxius> in gentoo i just chrootet via livecd and entered passwd
[02:49] <divansantana> what is easyubuntu???
[02:49] <alvaro> Tm_T:  Easy ubuntu 2.4 beta?
[02:49] <Nirvana> divansanta: it installs stuff for the newbie user
[02:49] <Tm_T> visik7: it does send and receive mesasages just fine, as long as msn servers are fully functional (too many times they're not)
[02:50] <alvaro> but East Ubuntu works in AMD64??
[02:50] <visik7> Tm_T: with other client never lost messages
[02:50] <visik7> with kopete I lost messages both incoming and outcoming
[02:50] <Tm_T> visik7: with MSN:s own client, it does, just like with Kopete
[02:50] <visik7> Tm_T: maybe it resend
[02:50] <Tm_T> maybe
[02:51] <Nirvana> malix0: I'd do whatever you can do to get the symbols there. I think a package that goes along the lines of dbg or gdb or something can help you
[02:51] <visik7> Tm_T: btw amsn and gaim works much better on msn
[02:52] <Nirvana> amsn = king ^^
[02:52] <visik7> Nirvana: yes but support only msn
[02:53] <tuxius> some "buddies" have been at my house and changed both root and username password, how do i change it   back?
[02:53] <Tm_T> visik7: might be
[02:53] <malix0> Nirvana: how I can build package with debug enabled directly from apt-get -b source?
[02:53] <Tm_T> visik7: whole msn plugin in Kopete needs rewrite
[02:54] <Nirvana> malix0: no idea, but you could try downloading the dbg symbols with sudo apt-cache search dbg > and then finding the program you want dbg symbols for
[02:54] <visik7> If I could able to write I'll do
[02:54] <visik7> but I'm not :(
[02:54] <Nirvana> malix0: your problem is in quanta right?
[02:56] <malix0> Nirvana: yes quanta crashes during edit of big php file
[02:56] <Nirvana> malix0: sudo apt-get install kdewebdev-dbg
[02:56] <Nirvana> malix0: should be the debugging files
[02:57] <malix0> Nirvana: I got it
[02:58] <tuxius> some "buddies" have been at my house and changed both root and username password, how do i change it   back?
[02:58] <Nirvana> tuxius: if you know it, the do passwd xxxx
[02:59] <Nirvana> tuxius: if you don't you are screwed
[02:59] <tuxius> must i reinstall the whole shiat?
[03:00] <Nirvana> tuxius: yes, the root pass is the most important thing on the entire system. With it, you can do grave damage, and if you forget it, your screwed
[03:00] <Nirvana> tuxius: which is why it is disabled by default
[03:18] <_iNFUSiON> ...hmm... now maybe some time for me...? somebody experienced..? :)
[03:18] <_iNFUSiON> Nirvana :)
[03:18] <Nirvana> yay
[03:19] <Nirvana> _infusion: what's you problem?
[03:19] <Nirvana> your^
[03:19] <_iNFUSiON> I have a BIG BIG problem.. I don't have internet (nor a connection to my router) anymore @ linux ... when I yesterday wanted to change eth0 from "dhcp" to "manual" ip address he didn't do anything.. and after a reboot the NICs were "disabled" or "deactivated" - and no way to enable ... if I click on "enable" it lasts for 2 seconds.. and switches back to disable .. any ideas..? (damn I just wanted to change local ip address...)
[03:19] <_iNFUSiON> eth0/1 are simply "dead" .. and I am unable to enable them again
[03:20] <_iNFUSiON> (it's onboard lan controller btw)
[03:20] <Nirvana> try "sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0  && ifconfig" and post the output at the kubuntu pastebin
[03:21] <_iNFUSiON> kubuntu pastebin?
[03:21] <Nirvana> yeah
[03:21] <_iNFUSiON> what is that
[03:21] <Nirvana> http://kubuntu.pastebin/com
[03:21] <Nirvana> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com ^^
[03:21] <_iNFUSiON> (the problem is that I don't have internet @ kubuntu ...
[03:21] <Nirvana> oh yeah
[03:21] <Nirvana> one sec
[03:21] <_iNFUSiON> okay :)
[03:23] <Nirvana> umm, do you have floppies?
[03:23] <_iNFUSiON> nope..
[03:23] <_alvaro> Hello!
[03:23] <_iNFUSiON> I could burn a cd.. or write the output on a paper :D
[03:23] <_alvaro> Please can someone help me with Kubuntu 6.10 AMD 64
[03:23] <_iNFUSiON> do you think it's a large output?
[03:24] <Nirvana> _infusion: it will be a long output, but do this and write it down on paper
[03:24] <_iNFUSiON> okay
[03:24] <_iNFUSiON> be back in a few minutes..
[03:24] <Nirvana> alvaro: what do you need help with
[03:25] <_iNFUSiON> or wait.. is it easy to "mount" ext3 on windows2k? *G*
[03:25] <_iNFUSiON> "quick"
[03:25] <Nirvana> sure
[03:25] <mcsteels> hi, Im just installed kmldonkey on my kubuntu machine but it is asking for kmldonkey core.... where is that any1 know??
[03:25] <Nirvana> oh wait
[03:25] <Nirvana> no
[03:25] <_iNFUSiON> the other way is easy hehe..
[03:25] <Nirvana> On windows 2k, you need a program ext2fs
[03:25] <_iNFUSiON> but I heard that there are drivers for ext3 on win2k
[03:26] <dipnlik> _iNFUSiON: Explore2fs can be used to read from ext3. don't know about writing
[03:26] <visik7> _iNFUSiON: it bsod the system use explore2fs is safer
[03:26] <pa1> is there a way to shut down KDE to start a new session with a dcop call from the command line?
[03:26] <visik7> no writing
[03:26] <_iNFUSiON> I don't need writing..
[03:26] <_iNFUSiON> just read the "output"
[03:26] <mcsteels> hi, Im just installed kmldonkey on my kubuntu machine but it is asking for kmldonkey core.... where is that any1 know??
[03:26] <visik7> u need to use colinux if u want write support
[03:26] <howcomes> Whats it mean when im in Adept and i click to Install a package and under action it says BREAK (install)
[03:27] <_iNFUSiON> okay..
[03:27] <_iNFUSiON> easy.. it works .. thanks dudes!
[03:27] <_iNFUSiON> ...booting linux now
[03:27] <_iNFUSiON> bbl
[03:27] <Nirvana> wait
[03:27] <_iNFUSiON> k
[03:27] <Nirvana> to mount your linux partition in windows, look at this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd
[03:27] <_alvaro> Please someone has Kubuntu with AMD64 and Nvidia drivers installed?
[03:28] <_alvaro> I can't install them
[03:28] <_iNFUSiON> Nirvana - it works..
[03:28] <mcsteels> _alvaro: i have
[03:28] <_iNFUSiON> explorer2fs is easy ...
[03:28] <_iNFUSiON> it's showing my linux ext3 hdd
[03:28] <_alvaro> mcsteels:  how did you install them?
[03:28] <_alvaro> I get errors
[03:28] <_iNFUSiON> and I tried to open a .conf.. worked..
[03:28] <mcsteels> any1 know where the kmldonkey core is??
[03:28] <_alvaro> X doesn't start
[03:29] <Nirvana> alvaro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=nvidia&titlesearch=Titles = nvidia drivers
[03:29] <Nirvana> _infusion: does that mean the internet works?
[03:29] <mcsteels> _alvaro: ^^ there:P
[03:29] <Nirvana> _infusion: ohh, nvm, you mean the extension program :P
[03:29] <_iNFUSiON> Nirvana: that means I can "browse" linux hdd in windows
[03:29] <_iNFUSiON> :D
[03:29] <Nirvana> yes
[03:29] <_iNFUSiON> brb.. :)
[03:30] <mcsteels> any1 know anything bout kmldonkey??
[03:30] <Nirvana> alvaro: you prolly want the top post, which is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:30] <_alvaro> Nirvana:  I have nvidia drivers installed
[03:31] <_alvaro> I have even nvidia settings
[03:31] <_alvaro> but when I restart
[03:31] <mcsteels> sudo nvidia-glx enable or something
[03:31] <_alvaro> X doesn't start
[03:31] <_alvaro> and It gives me an error
[03:31] <mcsteels> _alvaro: wat u mean by not start??
[03:32] <_alvaro> X doesn't start
[03:32] <_alvaro> Only console
[03:32] <_alvaro> Ubuntu Login:
[03:32] <mcsteels> have u tried startx
[03:32] <Nirvana> wat does startx tell you?
[03:32] <_alvaro> yep[15:32]  <_alvaro> Only console
[03:32] <_alvaro> yep
[03:32] <_alvaro> An error
[03:32] <_alvaro> like I said
[03:32] <_alvaro> but I don't find it
[03:32] <_alvaro> in the logs
[03:32] <mcsteels> how bout /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:32] <_alvaro> something about drivers version
[03:33] <_alvaro> kernel using a version an X another version
[03:33] <_alvaro> I don't know
[03:33] <mcsteels> how bout /etc/init.d/kdm stop??
[03:33] <_alvaro> same
[03:33] <_alvaro> but I restored xorg.conf
[03:33] <_alvaro> and now its working
[03:33] <_alvaro> but without drivers
[03:33] <mcsteels> have u logged in as root or sudo??
[03:33] <_alvaro> yes
[03:33] <mcsteels> ok...
[03:33] <_alvaro> now I'm going to install them
[03:33] <mcsteels> nano /etc/X11.xorg.conf
[03:33] <_alvaro> how did you do that?
[03:33] <Nirvana> type it
[03:34] <_alvaro> X11/
[03:34] <_alvaro> yes
[03:34] <_alvaro> what?
[03:34] <mcsteels> change nvidia or nv to vesa
[03:34] <_alvaro> Driver "nv"
[03:34] <mcsteels> change it to nvidia and see what happens
[03:34] <mcsteels> "nvidia"
[03:35] <_alvaro> but I don't have nvidia drivers now
[03:35] <_alvaro> I removed the kernel
[03:35] <_alvaro> and I downloaded amd64-k8
[03:35] <_alvaro> I was using -generic
[03:35] <mcsteels> they are built into kubuntu i think
[03:35] <_alvaro> I will try to install the drivers know
[03:35] <_alvaro> with the installed in nvidia.com
[03:35] <mcsteels> any1 know anything bout kmldonkey??
[03:35] <_alvaro> I have to stop X
[03:36] <_alvaro> Bye!
[03:38] <Stuka> I was feeling adventurous, and did a dist-upgrade to dapper, and now it appears that KDE is broken somehow
[03:39] <Stuka> the best information I've found is by trying to log in using the 'failsafe' session, which pops up an error that dcopserver isn't running - is this a known issue?
[03:39] <`Nomad> !skype
[03:39] <ubotu> somebody said skype was http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[03:39] <howcomes> Whats it mean when im in Adept and i click to Install a package and under action it says BREAK (install)
[03:40] <tuxius> anyone here who knows what to type to start kde:)?
[03:40] <Nirvana> tuxius: try startx
[03:40] <_iNFUSiON> Nirvana
[03:40] <tuxius> i tried
[03:40] <_iNFUSiON> I paste you @ query
[03:40] <Stuka> tuxius: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart might work for you
[03:40] <_iNFUSiON> or wait.. only two lines
[03:41] <tuxius> mkey, thanks
[03:41] <Nirvana> I didn't receive a query...
[03:41] <_iNFUSiON> /etc/network/interfaces:21: too few parameters for iface line
[03:41] <_iNFUSiON> ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
[03:41] <_iNFUSiON> that's the output
[03:41] <tuxius> dont i have to reconfigure /etc/X11/... etc?
[03:41] <_iNFUSiON> I can show you the content of "interfaces" as well if you need :)
[03:41] <Stuka> tuxius: that depends
[03:41] <Nirvana> OK, now, post your /etc/network/interfaces file at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[03:41] <tuxius> Stuka: depends on what?
[03:41] <_iNFUSiON> okay
[03:42] <Nirvana> tuxius: depends on if your having problems or not
[03:42] <Nirvana> tuxius: no problems = no reconfigure
[03:42] <tuxius> Nirvana: I see
[03:42] <Stuka> ^^what he said
[03:42] <Nirvana> tuxius: visual problems = reconfigure
[03:42] <Stuka> was your xserver working before?
[03:42] <_iNFUSiON> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/535351
[03:42] <Nirvana> howcomes: it means your either missing a dependancy, or something's up. What package is it?
[03:43] <_iNFUSiON> Nirvana: iface eth1 inet <--- eth0 inet?
[03:43] <dipnlik> !bugreport
[03:43] <ubotu> dipnlik: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:43] <Stuka> _iNFUSiON: do you have 2 NICs in that box?
[03:43] <_iNFUSiON> yes
[03:43] <_iNFUSiON> 2 onboard
[03:44] <Stuka> ok...you need more information in your eth1 stanza
[03:44] <_iNFUSiON> hmm that means?
[03:44] <Stuka> it needs to look a lot more like the eth0 part
[03:44] <Stuka> (with proper settings for the LAN it's on, of course)
[03:44] <howcomes> Nirvanda - monodevelop-0.9-0pre2
[03:45] <_iNFUSiON> hmm.. well.. I haven't used eth1 so far..
[03:45] <howcomes> (monodevelop)
[03:45] <Stuka> so comment the line out - or fill it in, but don't use it
[03:45] <_iNFUSiON> eth0 is my primary NIC - connected to my router.. eth1 is only connected to my xbox
[03:46] <Stuka> ok - so what's the IP scheme there? (or is there one yet?)
[03:46] <Stuka> does an Xbox have a way to set a static IP?
[03:46] <_iNFUSiON> yes.. but eth1 .. we don't have to care about right now
[03:46] <Stuka> ok - then just comment that line out
[03:46] <Stuka> that's why you're getting that error
[03:46] <dipnlik> has anyone filed a bug report about kubuntu icons for the laptop icons in settings:/System/ ?
[03:47] <_iNFUSiON> let's try?
[03:47] <howcomes> it would seem im more then likely missing a dependancy
[03:47] <_iNFUSiON> Nirvana: are you agreeing? :)
[03:47] <Nirvana> hmm..
[03:47] <_iNFUSiON> you must know.. it takes very long switching between OS *G*
[03:48] <Stuka> oh, I know - though I'm relatively fluent in Linux and that Redmond OS
[03:48] <_iNFUSiON> okay
[03:48] <Nirvana> yes, I agree, comment it out.
[03:48] <_iNFUSiON> okay..
[03:49] <Nirvana> howcomes: one sec, haven't forgot about it
[03:49] <howcomes> ;)
[03:49] <Nirvana> howcomes: one sec, haven't forgot about you ^^
[03:49] <howcomes> im in no hurry
[03:49] <_iNFUSiON> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/535361 <-- Stuka like this?
[03:51] <Stuka> _iNFUSiON: yup
[03:52] <_iNFUSiON> okay, thank's
[03:52] <Stuka> no problem
[03:52] <_iNFUSiON> maybe in a few minutes back @ linux :)
[03:52] <^rob^> hello
[03:52] <Nirvana> howcomes: it's in the universe, so you obviously have extra repos enabled.. try this "sudo apt-get install -s monodevelop" and see what the error is
[03:52] <^rob^> anyone use kde 3.5.1 ?
[03:52] <Nirvana> _infusion: if you enable hibernation, you prolly won't have to wait thru the long boot time
[03:52] <Stuka> ^rob^: I'm trying, but having issues with kdmgreet apparently
[03:52] <_iNFUSiON> hmm, okay, thanks for the hint Nirvana
[03:52] <Nirvana> ^rob^: I do
[03:53] <^rob^> Stuka: using deb packages or you compile it?
[03:53] <Nirvana> ^rob^: at first I had many problems, but I finally got it up
[03:53] <^rob^> Nirvana: what problems?
[03:53] <Nirvana> ^rob^: well, it was more like a problem with me
[03:53] <howcomes> I downloaded monodevelop_0.9-0pre2_all.deb if that helps....
[03:53] <^rob^> Nirvana: 3.5 has lots of bugs - that's why i ask
[03:54] <howcomes> was going to sudo dpkg -i monodevelop_0.9-0pre2_all.deb , but ill try your command first
[03:54] <howcomes> k
[03:54] <^rob^> quanta keeps asking me that someone else edit externaly the file, chmod - crashes etc...
[03:54] <howcomes> The following packages have unmet dependancies
[03:55] <Nirvana> ^rob^: what I did was add it and apt-get upgrade, and some files didn't download, so I opened adept updater, and it wanted to remove all pkgs, so I did that, because I had nothing better to do, then I just apt-get installed kubuntu-desktop and all was fine
[03:55] <^rob^> Nirvana: can you chmod a file or a dir - without konquerror err??
[03:55] <howcomes> http://pastebin.com/535365
[03:55] <^rob^> Nirvana: can you pls do that test for me?
[03:55] <Nirvana> ^rob^: yes, right click, permissions, and edit them
[03:56] <Nirvana> it also worked for me in 3.5 though...
[03:56] <^rob^> Nirvana: after you press apply or ok button - my 3.5 gives an err - but it does change the perms.. do you have errs after that or not?
[03:57] <Nirvana> nope
[03:57] <Nirvana> didn't on 3.5.0 either though, so maybe I'm not very helpful
[03:57] <Nirvana> howcomes: try sudo apt-get install -f
[03:57] <Stuka> ^rob^: I felt brave and did a dist-upgrade to Dapper
[03:57] <Stuka> broke kde apparently
[03:57] <howcomes> sudo apt-get install -f monodevelop ?
[03:57] <Nirvana> :)
[03:58] <Nirvana> howcomes: no, just the way I wrote it
[03:58] <Stuka> kdmgreet: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program
[03:58] <^rob^> Nirvana: and another problem - that's anoying - is that i can't add custom collor in color selection (quanta or kcoloredit)
[03:58] <Stuka> ^^that's the only error I can see that appears fatal
[03:58] <howcomes> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:58] <Nirvana> hmm
[03:58] <^rob^> Stuka: what kde does dapper has?
[03:58] <^rob^> Stuka: si stable enough?
[03:59] <Stuka> oh, my bad...it's 3.5.0-1
[03:59] <Nirvana> howcomes: try the sudo dpkg -i mono*.deb, and if it doesn't work, then sudo apt-get -f install
[04:00] <cgentry72> can someone help me out? when loading a dvd, totem and konquor keep opening, how do i get xine to open instead
[04:00] <cgentry72> so kaffeine opens
[04:01] <vge> check kcontrol and konqueror file assosiations
[04:01] <howcomes> -f install returns
[04:01] <howcomes> 0 upgraded, 40 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:03] <Nirvana> howcomes: which one is to be removed?
[04:03] <cgentry72> i dont get it... theres nothing pointing to kaffeine in the media section at all
[04:03] <antoine> hello
[04:03] <howcomes> monodevelop
[04:04] <Nirvana> howcomes: if your having a lot of trouble, it is probably easier to sudo apt-get remove monodevelop --purge && sudo apt-get install monodevelop
[04:04] <antoine> do you know a french irc channel about kubuntu?
[04:04] <vge> cgentry72: sry, but then it's over my nolige :)
[04:04] <^rob^> cgentry72: kaffeine is not quite the most stable movie player!
[04:04] <Nirvana> antoine: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/InternetRelayChat
[04:04] <cgentry72> yea, that's why i dont want it to open kaffeine
[04:04] <^rob^> cgentry72: sudo dpkg -P kaffeine
[04:04] <antoine> ok thanks
[04:05] <cgentry72> i'd prefer it to open xine instead
[04:05] <cgentry72> there are dependency issues cant remove it
[04:05] <cgentry72> isn't there a way to tell kubuntu to play dvd's with xine and where is it cause i cant locate it
[04:06] <Nirvana> cgentry72: open the file assosciations KDE control module
[04:06] <cgentry72> there
[04:06] <^rob^> cgentry72: what kde do you have?
[04:06] <cgentry72> kubuntu latest
[04:06] <^rob^> KDE version?
[04:07] <cgentry72> 4 something i think? sorry
[04:07] <Nirvana> cgentry72: go to settings:/ click KDE components and then file associations. When in there click media click the media you want to edit, and edit its application preference order
[04:07] <cgentry72> 5.10 actually
[04:07] <cgentry72> well under dvdvideo it says none
[04:08] <^rob^> cgentry72: ok - 1 sec - i have to look at kpannel - brb
[04:08] <cgentry72> scd0 is the device used
[04:08] <cgentry72> an external usb dvd
[04:09] <^rob^> cgentry72: kcontrol->perhiperals storage-media
[04:09] <^rob^> cgentry72: All Mime Types - select - do nothing
[04:10] <cgentry72> i dont have a storage-media on mine :(
[04:10] <^rob^> cgentry72: that's not kde 3.5 then
[04:10] <cgentry72> kubuntu 5.10
[04:11] <DaSkreech> So..  what repos have 3.5.1?
[04:11] <Nirvana> DaSkreech: check kubuntu.org front page
[04:11] <Nirvana> cgentry72; storage media is under peripherals in kcontrol
[04:12] <sorush20> guys I can't install these icons any help ?
[04:12] <sorush20> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31585
[04:12] <^rob^> cgentry72: 5.10 is the kubuntu version - not the kde version
[04:12] <^rob^> 5.10 comes with kde 3.4.x (5 i guess)
[04:12] <_ace> hi all
[04:13] <_ace> question about kernel
[04:13] <_ace> anyone!?
[04:13] <^rob^> DaSkreech: http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351
[04:13] <_ace> I need to complie my 'own' kernel becaue of Win4Lin
[04:13] <sorush20> what is the question?
[04:13] <Nirvana> _ace: just ask
[04:13] <_ace> it can only use 2.6.11
[04:14] <^rob^> DaSkreech: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[04:14] <_ace> becasue of SMP support missing in higher versions of the win4lin patches
[04:14] <_ace> now I am lookng trough docs like wiki's and the like
[04:14] <_ace> I find this:
[04:14] <sorush20> there is a how to here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85064 _ace
[04:14] <^rob^> _ace: and you have problems how to compile the kernel?
[04:14] <_ace> apt-get source linux-source-2.6.11
[04:14] <Nirvana> _ace: also, there is a wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto?highlight=%28kernel%29%7C%28compile%29
[04:15] <_ace> no the problem is not how to compile (not yet)
[04:15] <_ace> the problem is hot to get the kernel
[04:15] <DaSkreech> ^rob^: Of course :)
[04:15] <howcomes> Nirvana - after running that --purge and install it still didnt work L:(
[04:15] <_ace> hot=how
[04:15] <_ace> the apt-get source line doenst work
[04:15] <_ace> it says can't find package
[04:15] <_ace> in symaptec
[04:16] <_ace> serach for linux-source gives only 2.6.12 package
[04:16] <_ace> yes, i got deb-src in apt/sources.list
[04:16] <_ace> and anyway what's the diffenrec between linux-source and kernel-source in synaptec ?
[04:16] <_ace> oh yes, I run breezy kubuntu 5.1
[04:17] <^rob^> _ace: http://kernel.org
[04:17] <_ace> I think going to kernel org doesn't give me a kernel
[04:17] <_ace> with all the ubuntu patches
[04:17] <^rob^> it does
[04:17] <_ace> ireally ?
[04:17] <^rob^> go there - fetch your kernel and put it in /usr/src
[04:17] <^rob^> or wherever you want to compile it
[04:18] <^rob^> and make your kernel.
[04:18] <_ace> but what about the ubuntu patches ?
[04:18] <_ace> they are certainly NOT in kernel.org are they ?
[04:18] <Nirvana> howcomes: no idea sorry, try downloading all the packages individually, from http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/devel/monodevelop and installing one-by-one
[04:18] <^rob^> _ace: don't forget to go to wiki - read all you neet - how to compile kernel in debian.
[04:19] <fit4lfe> for those who system is running slow and you have an nvivdia chipset highly recommend the nforce drivers
[04:19] <fit4lfe> my 64 system is so fast now its great
[04:19] <Nirvana> _ace: here is a wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto that rob was referring to, I think
[04:19] <_ace> Been there done that
[04:19] <_ace> for instance
[04:19] <_ace> in the wiki
[04:19] <_ace> go to
[04:19] <_ace> KernelBuildpackageHowto
[04:20] <_ace> it promises to give me a kernel JUST LIKE THE UBUNTU PACKAGE
[04:20] <_ace> it's what I want
[04:20] <_ace> instructions
[04:20] <_ace> if you follow them exactly
[04:20] <_ace> they may work but you're stuck with a  2.6.8 kernel
[04:20] <_ace> now
[04:20] <_ace> how to get a 2.6.11 kernel
[04:20] <_ace> for those that always say RTFM I say
[04:20] <_ace> RTFM !
[04:20] <^rob^> _ace - read above - go to kernel.org - get your 2.6.11 kernel
[04:21] <^rob^> _ace: and do the same thing that in viki say
[04:21] <_ace> rob I went to kernel.org but can not find the ubuntu-specific kernels
[04:21] <_ace> what the wiki says CAN NOT BE DONE ROB
[04:21] <_ace> unless you ar elooking at a different page
[04:21] <^rob^> _ace: don't be lame - linux is universal - ubuntu is a LINUX distribution
[04:21] <_ace> okay rob
[04:21] <_ace> thank you for your help
[04:22] <_ace> goodbye
[04:22] <^rob^> _ace: cheers
[04:22] <_ace> now is there any one else
[04:22] <_ace> that does *not* want to call me lame
[04:23] <_ace> and *does* understand the question
[04:23] <^rob^> _ace: skip the "get the source"
[04:23] <_ace> and *does have* an answer ?
[04:23] <_ace> rob, are you going to be serious now with me ?
[04:23] <^rob^> _ace: this is the answer! - LINUX KERNEL IS THE SAME 2.6.11 on REDHAT or SLACKWARE is the same as UBUNTU
[04:24] <_ace> okay rob
[04:24] <^rob^> linux 2.6.11 is the linux - ubuntu is the name of distro
[04:24] <^rob^> ;)
[04:24] <_ace> waht about the package 'debian-patches
[04:24] <_ace> then
[04:24] <_ace> what about that
[04:24] <^rob^> skip it
[04:24] <_ace> rob
[04:24] <_ace> I DO NOT WANT TO SKIP IT, okay ?
[04:24] <_ace> that was the question
[04:24] <^rob^> i'll come on private
[04:24] <howcomes> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[04:24] <_ace> How to build a kernel EXACTLY as ubuntu/kubuntu
[04:25] <_ace> but the wiki instructions are only for 2.6.8
[04:25] <_ace> and I can not find the same packaegs for 2.6.11
[04:25] <_ace> well rob if you can help me with *that* question
[04:25] <Stuka> _ace: what packages are listed other than linux-source?
[04:25] <tuxius> I cant startx
[04:25] <_ace> stuka: in synaptec ?
[04:25] <^rob^> _ace: 1 sec - i'll give you a doc. on debian how to compile kernels - ok?
[04:25] <tuxius> i get, fatal server error: caught signal 4. Server aborting
[04:26] <howcomes> Upgrading to KDE 3.5.1 - heres hoping i dont break linux
[04:26] <Stuka> no, in the Wiki instructions
[04:26] <Stuka> because basically the only difference is the source package names
[04:26] <pointwood> anyone know whether the new version of konversation is available for kubuntu somewhere?
[04:26] <_ace> Stuka: I was following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[04:26] <tuxius> why do i get error when i type "startx"
[04:27] <_ace> in the instructions
[04:27] <^rob^> _ace: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/
[04:27] <_ace> the first 3 line that start with a $ DO work
[04:27] <_ace> the 4th line is about 2.6.8
[04:27] <_ace> I want 2.6.11
[04:27] <_ace> how'd I do that ???
[04:27] <^rob^> _ace: that's a debian howto - see it's the same thing - except he gets the kernel from kernel.org
[04:27] <Stuka> so change the package name to 2.6.11
[04:27] <_ace> Stuka: dont' work
[04:28] <fit4lfe> why does amarok take so long to come up on the desktop ?
[04:28] <fit4lfe> seems like it takes forever
[04:28] <Stuka>  sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.8.1 <---that line? with 2.6.11?
[04:28] <tuxius> why do i get error when i type "startx"
[04:28] <_ace> Stuka: E: Unable to find a source package for linux-source-2.6.11
[04:28] <fit4lfe> !amarok
[04:28] <ubotu> I heard amarok is a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[04:28] <Stuka> ok...do: sudo apt-cache search ^linux-source
[04:28] <^rob^> _ace: because that package is upgraded to 2.6.12
[04:28] <_ace> there is no line 'build-dep' in my wiki
[04:28] <pointwood> !konversation
[04:28] <ubotu> Konversation is an IRC client for KDE. See http://konversation.org
[04:29] <_ace> Stuka: i did
[04:29] <Stuka> and?
[04:29] <howcomes> I think upgrading to KDE 3.5.1 is totally going to break my DRI Enabled//3D Acceleration on my ATi card
[04:29] <_ace> It only turns up with 2.6.12 version
[04:29] <Stuka> what was listed?
[04:29] <_ace> like rob syas
[04:29] <pointwood> that's not the correct link for konversation
[04:29] <_ace> the packaghe looks like it's upgraded
[04:29] <_ace> where's the old package
[04:29] <_ace> ?
[04:29] <Stuka> ok - so looks like there's not an Ubuntu package for 2.6.11 - will .12 not work for you?
[04:29] <cgentry72> i've been trying to get xine to open instead of kaffeine and cant seem to get anywhere.. can someone help
[04:29] <_ace> stuka: linux-source-2.6.12
[04:29] <Stuka> is there a specific reason you *must* have .11?
[04:29] <cgentry72> i have kubuntu 5.10
[04:30] <_ace> stuka: yes, win4lin
[04:30] <^rob^> howcomes: kde is a win manager - has nothing to do with your card  - X11 has
[04:30] <_ace> 2.6.12 and .13 versions of win4lin patches have no SMP support
[04:30] <tuxius> why do i get error when i type "startx"
[04:30] <^rob^> _ace: why don't you get the source from kernel.org?
[04:30] <^rob^> tuxius: what's the err?
[04:30] <_ace> rob, i am asking a different question.
[04:31] <^rob^> _ace: i was asking you that!
[04:31] <_ace> I might be from the FBI and have reasons unknown to you that I do not want to disclose
[04:31] <Stuka> _ace: then you'll probably have to get the sources the hard way
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Or you might not :)
[04:31] <_ace> I f you can help me with the question I have
[04:31] <^rob^> _ace: FBI does not use lame linux!
[04:31] <^rob^> lol
[04:31] <_ace> i would be much obliged
[04:31] <cgentry72> someone said to go to kcontrol and under peripherals there was removable drives but i dont have that
[04:31] <_ace> Show what you know, rob
[04:31] <^rob^> _ace: have you heared about WhiteHouse OS?
[04:31] <_ace> Stuka: i have no problem with getting the kernel the hard way
[04:32] <shantanu> how do I execute a setup.sh file?
[04:32] <_ace> rob: no :-)
[04:32] <DaSkreech> shantanu: in the folder with the setup.sh type ./setup.sh
[04:32] <tuxius> why do i get error when i type "startx"
[04:32] <tuxius> i get, fatal server error: caught signal 4. Server aborting
[04:32] <Nirvana`fooding> does anyone know how to pre-heat an over to 350deg.F
[04:32] <Nirvana`fooding> ?
[04:32] <_ace> Stuka: I just wanted it nice and cleanly patched exaclty like kubuntu does
[04:32] <Nirvana`fooding> is it the temp ^ and temp v buttons?
[04:32] <shantanu> DaSkreech, ./setup.sh: line 19: ./setup.data/installer/installer: No such file or directory
[04:33] <tuxius> i get, fatal server error: caught signal 4. Server aborting
[04:33] <_ace> this seems
[04:33] <^rob^> _ace: read pls the link i give you - you-ll see that that one make a deb package at the end.
[04:33] <_ace> impossible then.
[04:33] <Nirvana`fooding> I'd preferably not want to compile this over from source (lol, but seriously, I wanna make cookies...)
[04:33] <Nirvana`fooding> oven from source^
[04:33] <DaSkreech> shantanu: Whats this for?
[04:33] <Stuka> _ace: then you'll have to just get the kernel source directly, and apply patches to it from there
[04:34] <_ace> Rob: it's not about MAKING a deb package out of it
[04:34] <_ace> it's about .config and patches being the same as in kubuntu
[04:34] <_ace> man
[04:34] <_ace> this it tyring
[04:34] <^rob^> Stuka: let him - he does not want to read any docu we gived!
[04:34] <_ace> someone giving you the wrong kind off help
[04:34] <shantanu> DaSkreech, TeamSpeak
[04:34] <DaSkreech> ah
[04:34] <_ace> over and over again,
[04:35] <_ace> but I appreciate the efforts...!
[04:35] <shantanu> DaSkreech, I extracted the contents into a folder
[04:35] <_ace> Stuka: I *read* all this docs
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Right
[04:35] <_ace> LOOOONG ago
[04:35] <shantanu> DaSkreech, now i cant seem to install it or run it
[04:35] <cgentry72> i cant understand why this is so complicated, associating a dvd with xine instead of kaffiene
[04:35] <Nirvana`fooding> _ace: post in ubuntuforums.org, they're smart
[04:36] <DaSkreech> and there is a setup.data folder?
[04:36] <_ace> it's just a different question I do have
[04:36] <Nirvana`fooding> btw: I found out how to pre-heat the over, but how do I bake the cookies?
[04:36] <_ace> not your standard 'how to compile a kernel' question
[04:36] <_ace> now anyway
[04:36] <Nirvana`fooding> oven^^
[04:36] <_ace> thanks again
[04:36] <shantanu> DaSkreech, No
[04:36] <howcomes> Successfully updated to KDE 3.5.1
[04:36] <_ace> but I am really around for some time now
[04:36] <Stuka> _ace: your issue is that you're trying to do something that's not really designed into the system
[04:36] <_ace> just that I am not a kernel expert neither am I a .deb and package axpert
[04:36] <DaSkreech> shantanu: Ah That might be important :)
[04:37] <Stuka> kernel patches are against a specific version of the source
[04:37] <shantanu> DaSkreech, let me check it could be hidden
[04:37] <_ace> Stuka: it *is* possible to do this with a 2.6.12 kernel
[04:37] <_ace> just read the wiki
[04:37] <_ace> I sent tyou the url
[04:37] <^rob^> howcomes: how much time did the upgr. take?
[04:37] <_ace> or don't you want to read the docs i sent you ?
[04:37] <shantanu> DaSkreech, Nope
[04:37] <Stuka> I'd read it before you put up the link
[04:37] <_ace> or anyway it *was* possible with 2.6.8
[04:37] <howcomes> 3 minutes
[04:37] <_ace> and it's on the official wiki!!
[04:37] <howcomes> if that
[04:37] <^rob^> howcomes: gee
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Is there a README or an INSTALL file?
[04:38] <howcomes> im posting a howto: to the forums now
[04:38] <^rob^> howcomes: i'm at 67% and come with 22.6 kB/s
[04:38] <_ace> anyway, thanks again
[04:39] <shantanu> DaSkreech, looking for it
[04:40] <Nirvana`fooding> could someone please help? I have cookies that are going to spoil... I need to know how to bake cookies in the oven... do I just put the timer on?
[04:40] <Nirvana`fooding> crap, pre-heating is done! what do I do?
[04:40] <eightiesk> !kaffeine
[04:40] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[04:40] <cgentry72> i've been trying to get xine to open instead of kaffeine and cant seem to get anywhere.. can someone help
[04:41] <grxmrx> is that normal that there are no icons in system:/media in konqueror even if I have some devices mounted (eg. cdrom)? I can access to cd from /media/cdrom0 or shell but...
[04:42] <Nirvana`fooding> Stucka: I got it
[04:42] <Nirvana`fooding> I had to push time and time it for 11 minx, then start
[04:42] <Nirvana`fooding> I'm out of breath...
[04:42] <howcomes> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=124812
[04:42] <Stuka> heh
[04:42] <Nirvana`fooding> alright, gotta check on the cookies
[04:43] <rob> no more angels
[04:43] <eightiesk> whats the comand for apt remove?
[04:44] <Nirvana`baking> wait, why does it smell?
[04:44] <rob> i lost my wing - i was bad! -
[04:44] <tuxius> doesnt anybody know or?
[04:44] <Nirvana`baking> apt-get remove eightiesk
[04:44] <rob> eightiesk: sudo dpkg -P package
[04:44] <cgentry72> i've been trying to get xine to open instead of kaffeine and cant seem to get anywhere.. can someone help
[04:45] <Nirvana`baking> why does it smell like burning when I put the cookies in the oven? is this supposed to happen
[04:45] <Nirvana`baking> ?
[04:46] <rob> Nirvana`baking: LOL
[04:46] <Nirvana`baking> SHEIT! I didn't grease the pan....aww crap, they're gonna be burned at the bottom now....
[04:47] <Nirvana`baking> will anything burn (such as the house, or the stove..etc) if I don't grease the pan.. it's my first time baking...
[04:47] <cgentry72> i think nirvana is banked
[04:47] <cgentry72> baked
[04:47] <rob> Nirvana`baking: nope - just your cookyes
[04:48] <Nirvana`baking> OK...
[04:48] <Nirvana`baking> good
[04:48] <Nirvana`baking> well, not good, but better the cookies than the house...
[04:48] <rob> lol
[04:49] <Stuka> Nirvana`baking: you CAN'T be serious....
[04:49] <Nirvana`baking> *catches breath from running from stove to computer and back 500000 times*
[04:49] <Nirvana`baking> stucka: I'm 14 > I've never baked before
[04:49] <howcomes> Eat the cookie doe raw :D
[04:49] <Nirvana`baking> I can use the thing on top though, the circle things, to make pasta
[04:49] <Nirvana`baking> I did howcomes
[04:49] <Stuka> oh, man...you've got a looooooong way to go
[04:49] <Nirvana`baking> not all of it though, maybe 1/8
[04:50] <Nirvana`baking> stucka: what do you mean?
[04:50] <eightiesk> why does my kaffine freeze?
[04:50] <Nirvana`baking> if learning to bake was as easy as switching to kubuntu, I should be an iron chef by now
[04:50] <cgentry72> cause kaffiene sucks
[04:50] <rob> Nirvana`baking: it means you-re young - no problem if you burn the cookies  ;)
[04:51] <rob> cgentry72: uninstall kaffeine
[04:51] <eightiesk> when i try to open anything i get resource not found or busy.
[04:51] <rob> !kooka
[04:51] <ubotu> rob: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:51] <cgentry72> i need the dependencies for xine to play dvds
[04:51] <Stuka> Nirvana`baking: basically what he said - but I would recommend learning fast - it REALLY helps to be able to cook at least one or 2 'real' dishes
[04:51] <eightiesk> then whats a all in one media player?
[04:51] <Stuka> (chicks dig guys who can cook too)
[04:52] <rob> eightiesk: no clue - i use mplayer for video and amarok for audio
[04:52] <tuxius> login as root after clean kubuntu install dosent work
[04:52] <cgentry72> mplayer doesnt allow me to play videos in full screen
[04:52] <tuxius> i get Login incorrect
[04:53] <rob> does kaffeine have subtitle
[04:53] <tuxius> and i promisse i got no password
[04:53] <tuxius> i guarantee i got no
[04:53] <rob> cgentry72: use -vo help
[04:53] <rob> cgentry72: mplayer -vo help - i use gl2
[04:53] <rob> mplayer -vo gl2 movie
[04:53] <Nirvana`baking> stucka: I can cook pasta, and that's like a million different dishes :P because there's many kinds, and my sauce tastes better than my moms :P
[04:54] <rob> press f when the movie start
[04:54] <rob> ;)
[04:54] <cgentry72> and how do i make it default for dvd's instead of kaffiene
[04:54] <rob> mplayer dvd://
[04:54] <rob> but i donno why your kaffeine starts when you insert a dvd
[04:55] <cgentry72> me neither and it's really irritating me
[04:55] <rob> cgentry72: or if you want to have dvd control use ogle
[04:55] <rob> cgentry72: dvd menu - subtitle choose from dvd menu - etc...
[04:55] <cgentry72> i get that from xine too
[04:56] <rob> kde 3.5.1 - 96
[04:56] <rob> i mean 96^
[04:56] <rob> %
[04:56] <rob> damn
[04:56] <rob> :)
[04:57] <Nirvana`baking> cgentry72: try settings:/ and click KDE Components, then File Associations. then click media, and DVD_mount, and change it from there
[04:57] <evilh> i got what is probably going to be the most retarded question heard on here
[04:57] <jsgotangco> its because kaffeine is the default media player for all things k :)
[04:57] <evilh> can you remote desktop a windows computer from kubuntu?
[04:57] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:57] <Nirvana`baking> evilh: it's probably an easier question than how to bake cookies
[04:58] <evilh> baking cookies is rather easy
[04:58] <Nirvana`baking> evilh: krfb is your app
[04:58] <evilh> you can really do it!!
[04:58] <cgentry72> i dont have a dvd mount
[04:58] <evilh> WORD!!!
[04:58] <Nirvana`baking> evilh: not for me, first time, and I forgot to grease the pan
[04:58] <evilh> lol!!!
[04:58] <Nirvana`baking> cgentry72: what does it have then?
[04:59] <cgentry72> I have DVD Video but nothing is set to run or open
[04:59] <Nirvana`baking> brb gotta get cookies and cool them...
[04:59] <Nirvana`baking> cgentry72: do a ksnapshot of the screen and post it to imageshack.us and link it here
[04:59] <cgentry72> one sec
[05:00] <sweet_kate> hello: how can i lock my session by shell? what is the command?
[05:00] <vytautas> hi
[05:00] <sweet_kate> hi
[05:00] <vytautas> i can't burn files with some special characters
[05:01] <vytautas> k3b's gives some uninformative error
[05:01] <sweet_kate> hello: how can i lock my  X session by shell? what is the command?i have fluxbox
[05:01] <vytautas> and gnomebaker gives this
[05:01] <asraniel> does anyone know if there is any chance that we get open source 3d drivers in dapper for ATI cards? not as default, but a easy way to install them. i know that they are only alpha
[05:01] <Stuka> sweet_kate: from lists.debian.org -  Alan Ezust schrieb: Is there a command one can run from the command line which does the same thing as "lock screen" from the k menu?
[05:01] <Stuka> If you're running the command line as the same user running kde use:dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock
[05:01] <vytautas> UTF-8 character encoding detected.... blah blah blah
[05:02] <vytautas> has anyone had similar problems?
[05:02] <cgentry72> http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot11gm.png
[05:02] <sweet_kate> Stuka: i have fluxbox
[05:02] <Stuka> ah - I assumed KDE (due to the channel)
[05:07] <cgentry72> nirvana did u get the snapshot
[05:09] <kernel_i386> hey, Nirvana`baking + Stuka <-- thanks a lot .. works
[05:09] <kernel_i386> <-- the one with the NIC problem :)
[05:12] <Stuka> kernel_i386: cool - yw
[05:12] <Phantom^^> Hi if was looking for a good inkjet printer that mainly printed text and could do photos, but I wanted very good compatibility and ease of setting up for kubuntu. Which printer should I buy ?
[05:12] <Stuka> Phantom^^: HP has always been fairly Linux-friendly in my experience
[05:13] <Nirvana> cgentry72: looking at it now
[05:13] <cgentry72> k
[05:13] <Nirvana> cgentry72: maybe add an entry for dvd_mount and tell it what to do?
[05:14] <howcomes> is the UT: GOTY Demo multiplayer ?
[05:14] <cgentry72> not sure what i need to tell it to do
[05:14] <cgentry72> or how
[05:14] <cgentry72> just add xine to list?
[05:14] <Nirvana> cgentry72: you click add (the one on the left) and name it dvd_mount. Then add xine to its list
[05:15] <cgentry72> ok, i'll try that one second
[05:15] <Nirvana> it's weird that it's not there. I've never used a DVD in this comp, and it's still got that entry...heck I don't even know if it read's DVD's...lol
[05:15] <Nirvana> stucka: HP is linux-friendly because of HP-UX, HP's own unix OS
[05:16] <Nirvana> that said, my cookies were good, and I didn't have to grease the pan because ... actually I don't know why, my mom said it didn't matter
[05:16] <cgentry72> still does it
[05:17] <Nirvana> OK, it's opening kaffeine, right? maybe look in the kaff. preferences and see if there is an option to turn it off?
[05:17] <Stuka> Nirvana: not really - HP is Linux-friendly because HP's always been about selling printers
[05:17] <cgentry72> ok
[05:17] <Stuka> since Linux and HP-UX have different printing issues
[05:18] <Nirvana> ahh
[05:19] <rob> brb
[05:19] <rob> or
[05:19] <rob> see you tomorow
[05:19] <rob> ;)
[05:19] <rob> if kde works
[05:19] <rob> lol
[05:19] <cgentry72> still doing it
[05:19] <rob> byee
[05:19] <evilh> repeat of stupid question. is there another program that allows you to remote control a Windows XP machine from a kubuntu one?
[05:19] <cgentry72> i cant get of kaffiene cause xine relies on kaffiene somehow
[05:21] <cgentry72> cant get rid of kaffeine cause one of the dependencies is kaffeine-xine which for some reason allows me to play dvds
[05:21] <Stuka> I thought kaffeine-xine depended on xine, not the other way around
[05:22] <cgentry72> i don't know but xine wouldn't play dvd's until i installed it
[05:22] <evilh> kaffeine is the GUI for xine in kubuntu from what i gathered from the xine website
[05:22] <Nirvana> evilh: remote desktop?
[05:22] <evilh> yeah
[05:23] <evilh> KrDc only supports VNC servers
[05:23] <vge> evilh: tryed xvncviewer?
[05:23] <vge> worked straight from the box for me
[05:23] <evilh> vge: no didnt try that
[05:23] <cgentry72> plus it wants to get rid of kubuntu-desktop
[05:24] <Stuka> evilh: rdesktop
[05:24] <Stuka> haven't used it on KDE, but it worked perfectly in a Gnome environment
[05:25] <evilh> thats from the konsole right. sudo access
[05:25] <evilh> ?
[05:25] <Stuka> evilh: no, it's a graphical program that works a lot like the Windows Remote Desktop program
[05:26] <evilh> stuka: is it in the repositories?
[05:26] <grxmrx> how can I fix packages installation (apt-get install kde) problem: The following packages have unmet dependencies: Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed   Depends: kde-develop3 but it is not going to be installed  - in order to install kde 3.5.1?
[05:26] <Stuka> it's in one of 'em - I've got universe and multiverse set up - but it's in there somewhere (I checked before I mentioned it)
[05:27] <evilh> i found it
[05:27] <evilh> its in the multiverse repository
[05:27] <Nirvana> grxmrx: to install 3.5.1, you apt-get upgrade, not install kde, unless you don't have KDE installed, in which case you apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <Stuka> I wasn't sure - I like having ALL the options
[05:27] <Nirvana> stucka: same here, but when I need to know, I look here: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:28] <grooel> hi can someone help me? I just installed kde 3.5.1 and I'm not able to select any keyboard layout
[05:28] <Stuka> Nirvana: meh, I just enable all the repositories and apt-cache search for what I want
[05:28] <grxmrx> Nirvana: ok, but after:sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  I have similar message, but about krita package
[05:29] <grxmrx> Nirvana: Depends: krita but it is not going to be installed
[05:29] <Nirvana> stucka: same :)
[05:29] <Nirvana> grxmrx: apt-get install -f
[05:31] <grxmrx> Nirvana: it doesn't help, still the same message...
[05:33] <Nirvana> grxmrx: try dist-upgrade (which people have told me you should be using for this kind of thing) or try with the --fix-missing tag
[05:34] <kernel_i386> hehe do you get money for helping people btw? :)
[05:34] <Nirvana> speaking of dist-upgrade: I was told by many that dist-upgrade is too be used when converting distro's, like Breezy > Dapper, and upgrade is to upgrade a package on the current distro...but I guess I learned wrong
[05:34] <Nirvana> kerneli386: unless you work for Mandriva, Suse, and a few other companies with "paid support" no
[05:34] <Nirvana> kernel_i386: unless you work for Mandriva, Suse, and a few other companies with "paid support" no
[05:34] <Stuka> kernel_i386: not online - but I do get paid occasionally in meatspace for work I've done on PCs
[05:35] <kernel_i386> ... I just think that this you are very helpful ... very kind of you guys
[05:35] <Nirvana> kernel_i386: and I get a 4 day weekend, starting today (thursday) because my exams are done :P
[05:36] <kernel_i386> I see hehe
[05:36] <kernel_i386> soo.. passed it with a good feeling? or already got results
[05:36] <Nirvana> grxmrx: did you try it? what was the outcome?
[05:37] <Nirvana> kernel_i386: I know I did good on all of them, and come third week of February, I'll be able to support that with a report card
[05:38] <Nirvana> kernel_i386: ^that would be well, I did well on all of them... pity that I take academic english :P
[05:38] <_ace> rob, stuka ?
[05:39] <grxmrx> Nirvana: I've tried dist-upgrade yestarday and it seems that distribution is upgraded but not all packages are upgraded, so now when i type: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade the outcome is that everything is ok but it isn't
[05:39] <eightiesk> !grub
[05:39] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[05:40] <Stuka> yes _ace?
[05:40] <Nirvana> grxmrx: how about with --fix missing?
[05:41] <Nirvana> apt-get upgrade --fix-missing
[05:41] <Nirvana> or apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --fix-missing
[05:41] <grxmrx> Nirvana: the same message
[05:42] <Nirvana> or even apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:42] <Nirvana> removing kubuntu-desktop isn't harmful btw, it is a meta-package...
[05:42] <_ace> hi stuka
[05:43] <grxmrx> there is no kubuntu-desktop package installed..., so I can't upgrade it
[05:43] <_ace> i  found http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-source-2.6.11/
[05:43] <_ace> there's a lot of packages there
[05:43] <Nirvana> grxmrx: so install kubuntu-desktop, and you'll have 3.5.1.
[05:43] <_ace> but from downloading 2.6.12 I think you only need
[05:43] <Nirvana> f-ing mute button... I was trying for ten minutes to troubleshoot why sound wouldn't come out....
[05:43] <_ace> linux-source-2.6.11_2.6.11-0.2_all.deb
[05:43] <_ace> anyway
[05:44] <_ace> if you unpack that
[05:44] <grxmrx> Nirvana: I can't install it :]  if I type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop then I have the same message about krita package
[05:44] <Nirvana> ohh. watch and be amazed
[05:44] <Nirvana> wait 2 minutes, gotta read man apt-get
[05:44] <evilh> yay! i got remote desktop to work!! though i can't perform the actions i was hoping to control
[05:44] <_ace> then you'lf fin in /usr/src/linux-version/debian/congifs
[05:45] <_ace> you will find the .config fot 686-smp and others
[05:45] <Nirvana> evilh: if it's about working with files/folders, use Samba
[05:45] <Stuka> cool
[05:45] <_ace> and it's alos patched for debian/kubuntu
[05:45] <_ace> it's a pity though that you cant' access the package from within synaptec
[05:45] <_ace> now it's still a puzzle
[05:45] <evilh> nirvana: i was hoping to be able to control winamp on my windows computer to play files while im on this machine
[05:45] <_ace> which packages you need from the pool
[05:46] <evilh> think i didnt know how remote desktop worked
[05:46] <_ace> Just thought I might enlighten you and Rob for future reference :-)
[05:46] <evilh> so i feel special for getting it to work and stupid cause i cant do what i wanted
[05:47] <Nirvana> grxmrx: try this: sudo apt-get clean --list-cleanup  && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade --fix-missing
[05:47] <tuxius> FUCK
[05:47] <tuxius> i get login incorrect
[05:47] <_ace> linux-source-2.6.11_2.6.11-0.2.diff.gz
[05:47] <_ace> linux-source-2.6.11_2.6.11-0.2.dsc
[05:47] <_ace> linux-source-2.6.11_2.6.11.orig.tar.gz
[05:47] <_ace> Stuka: might be you need three packages:
[05:47] <tuxius> AND I HAVE NO ROOT PW
[05:47] <_ace> and not the _all package
[05:47] <Nirvana> tuxius: in what?
[05:47] <_ace> I am about to find that out...
[05:47] <tuxius> roto pw
[05:47] <tuxius> i cant login as root after i reinstall kunbuntu
[05:47] <tuxius> its the third time
[05:48] <evilh> *slams head into desk*
[05:48] <Nirvana> !sudo
[05:48] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[05:48] <Nirvana> ^^
[05:48] <Nirvana> evilh: is it dual booted?
[05:49] <Nirvana> evilh: or is it another computer?
[05:49] <evilh> no i got kubuntu installed on my laptop and windows is on my main gaming machine
[05:49] <Nirvana> evilh: so, another computer?
[05:49] <evilh> i washoping to control winamp through remote desktop to play music through my stereo instead of the shitty laptop speakers
[05:50] <grxmrx> Nirvana: ok, I have run this, but still I have the same message about krita when I tried to install kubuntu-desktop,
[05:50] <Nirvana> grxmrx: try this: sudo apt-get clean --list-cleanup  && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -f
[05:51] <muzzle> So first I've enabled everything in manage rep. How I have to make some catalog update or something? How?
[05:51] <Nirvana> install Samba, and configure your shares, make sure you enable a home/office network in windows, and make your music folder shared. Connect (or Konnect, if you wil ;)) to the windows machine, and play the music
[05:51] <Nirvana> muzzle: click fetch updates in adept, or sudo apt-get update in the terminal
[05:51] <Nirvana> evilh: install Samba, and configure your shares, make sure you enable a home/office network in windows, and make your music folder shared. Connect (or Konnect, if you wil ;)) to the windows machine, and play the music
[05:51] <Stuka> _ace: is the orig.tar.gz a full source tree?
[05:52] <Nirvana> grxmrx: or try this: sudo apt-get clean --list-cleanup  && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -f
[05:52] <grxmrx> Nirvana: still the same outcome...
[05:52] <evilh> nirvana: i can see my windows computer and browse my "file cabinet" on that machine. i dont want to play the music on the laptop i want to control the music play back on the windows machine because it is hooked up to my stereo
[05:53] <muzzle> Nirvana: Don't I have to update something first?
[05:54] <Nirvana> fetch updates = apt-get update it updates your package lists
[05:54] <Nirvana> muzzle^^
[05:55] <muzzle> ok
[05:55] <_ace> Stuka: yes it's the kernel.org stuff
[05:55] <Nirvana> evilh: oh, I see, I don't have a windows computer to test on, sorry I can't help
[05:55] <_ace> you need the .diff. package to make a debian kernel from the 'vanilla' kernel.
[05:55] <Nirvana> grxmrx: I really don't know then, try a forum post on ubuntuforums.org
[05:55] <grxmrx> Nirvana: ok
[05:56] <Nirvana> what is the command for locating a file throughout the whole computer? find just searches the directory, and whereis is for programs
[05:56] <Nirvana> ?
[05:57] <evilh> thats a good one havent tried it yet
[05:57] <Nirvana> !commands
[05:57] <ubotu> somebody said commands was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[05:57] <evilh> nirvana: thats ok thanks for all your help. wasnt for you i wouldnt have half the functionality i have now
[05:58] <Nirvana> :D
[05:59] <Stuka> _ace: so why wouldn't you need just that package?
[06:00] <Stuka> Nirvana: find / -name foo
[06:04] <_linux> hi
[06:05] <_linux> every one here ?
[06:05] <evilh> define everyone
[06:05] <_linux> ahh okaz :)
[06:05] <evilh> : D
[06:05] <_linux> i have new download  kubuntu
[06:05] <evilh> new to linux?
[06:06] <Nirvana> _linux: and you burnt it to a CD as an ISO image?
[06:07] <linux_> i will ask
[06:07] <linux_> how can i deinstall packages
[06:07] <linux_> ore install new packages
[06:07] <linux_> :)
[06:07] <evilh> go to adept, find the packages and right click
[06:07] <evilh> select your action
[06:08] <linux_> adept
[06:08] <linux_> shows
[06:08] <linux_> Error  KDE  SU
[06:08] <linux_> SU returned with an error
[06:08] <evilh> hmmm
[06:08] <evilh> im new to this so i cant help you there
[06:08] <linux_> okay
[06:08] <linux_> i make a restart
[06:08] <evilh> come back here once you reboot
[06:09] <linux_> okaz
[06:09] <linux_> bg
[06:11] <Stuka> I'm out y'all..have fun
[06:11] <Nirvana> back...
[06:12] <evilh> your cookies come out all right? lol
[06:13] <_ace> Stuka: the orig package is a plain vanilla kernel
[06:14] <_ace> if you want the debian/ubuntu patches (like i do) you need the 'diff' package too.
[06:14] <Nirvana> evilh: very tasty cookies :)
[06:14] <evilh> lol
[06:18] <_ace> Stuka: the all package doesn't cut the cake.
[06:21] <cgentry72> alright xine is trying to load the dvd but i think there should be a parameter setting instead of just xine
[06:22] <cgentry72> srry, for those who were here earlier, when i put in a dvd
[06:22] <Nirvana> man xine for the param
[06:22] <cgentry72> got rid of kaffeine and xine still plays
[06:24] <Nirvana> cgentry72: man xine = manual full of parameters...get your reading glasses ready :D
[06:24] <cgentry72> alright
[06:24] <_ace> Stuka: here the definitive list of what you need:
[06:25] <_ace> linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.11_2.6.11-0.2_all.deb
[06:25] <_ace> linux-source-2.6.11_2.6.11-0.2_all.deb
[06:25] <_ace> linux-tree-2.6.11_2.6.11-0.2_all.deb
[06:25] <_ace> nothing elske!
[06:27] <trappist> oh, linux-tree.  that's way better than linux-source for making new kernels.  I didn't know it existed.
[06:32] <Tobsy> Hi all!
[06:34] <evilh> Tobsy: Hi
[06:52] <gamma> hey is there an application for kde out there that will sync bookmarks and contacts to a central server?
[06:56] <Nirvana> gamma: not that I know of, but try deli.cio.us or google personal homepage
[06:58] <Tobsy> I have a problem, the install isn't complete, a log file doesn't exist, the error is not displayed, what can i make?
[06:59] <balo> start over?
[06:59] <Tobsy> @ me?
[06:59] <gamma> Nirvana: well i was going to program something to do it because i read an article that ubuntu wanted that feature in their OS
[07:11] <cgentry72> is there a way to boot from a usb device (cd/dvd)
[07:11] <Nirvana> like, from the BIOS?
[07:11] <Nirvana> or from sticking a /boot partition on it?
[07:11] <DHGE> cgentry72: many ;-) search some wikis
[07:11] <cgentry72> i looked in the BIOS and there wasnt a usb device available
[07:12] <cgentry72> the device works but bios doesn't pick it up
[07:12] <cgentry72> can i stick a boot partition?
[07:15] <Nirvana> you'd have to format it to ext2/3
[07:16] <Nirvana> what are you trying to do?
[07:16] <cgentry72> sorry, it's a cd/dvd drive
[07:16] <cgentry72> i'm trying to boot an ISO
[07:16] <Nirvana> ohhh... like, a bootable ISO, like the LIVE CD, or INSTALL CD?
[07:16] <cgentry72> yea
[07:17] <Nirvana> OK, you have to configure that from the BIOS.
[07:17] <cgentry72> didnt see anything in the bios
[07:17] <Nirvana> what you do is you find boot sequence/boot order (something dealing with booting up devices) and make sure your cd/dvd drive is first in the list
[07:17] <cgentry72> it show my hard drive and internal cd/dvd but not external
[07:18] <cgentry72> the internal one is broke - damn sony
[07:18] <cgentry72> that's why i bought this external one
[07:18] <Nirvana> then maybe your BIOS doesn't support booting from external devices?
[07:18] <cgentry72> k
[07:20] <Nirvana> check on the internet to see if your BIOS has updated firmware to make it able to boot from external devices.
[07:20] <cgentry72> ok
[07:25] <slow-motion> bbl
[07:31] <Knowerrors> Anybody know how to change color range in Krita?  I have an image that is 65000 colors, want it to be 255
[07:33] <_ganymed> hallo
[07:35] <_ganymed> i know, it is a bit off-topic, but does anybody know what i have to do to be listed in google (my website)...?
[07:35] <SuperNova> hi!
[07:36] <SuperNova> iwe seen that a new version of KDE is out for kubuntu... on the homepage it says something about "keys".. what are those keys used for?
[07:37] <`Nomad> Supernova: link?
[07:37] <SuperNova> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[07:38] <tuxius> I cant get into root user in kubuntu
[07:38] <tuxius> AMAZING how hard it is to login as root
[07:38] <Riddell> !root
[07:38] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[07:38] <tuxius> in gentoo it worked like "swuup"
[07:39] <`Nomad> super: they are for your update system to confirm the validity of the origin of the package you,re installing
[07:39] <tuxius> ubotu:  ive looked at that page, but i only found out how to disable the root password, but to do that i needed to be in root, see the major problem here or?
[07:39] <ubotu> I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, tuxius
[07:40] <tuxius> ive looked at that page, but i only found out how to disable the root password, but to do that i needed to be in root, see the major problem here or?
[07:40] <larsivi> tuxius: ubotu is a bot ;)
[07:40] <Knowerrors> tuxius: its not good to enable root on ubuntu, I did before and it can break some things admin wise in KDE
[07:40] <tuxius> okei
[07:40] <Knowerrors> tuxius: just use sudo for everything
[07:40] <Knowerrors> or kdesu for kde apps you want to run as super
[07:40] <tuxius> but i cant sudo since the root user is locked
[07:40] <tuxius> i cant neither startx?
[07:40] <larsivi> Knowerrors: it works great for me, never had troubles with kdesu (except for the 3.5 beta)
[07:40] <tuxius> wierd
[07:41] <tuxius> i realy want this to work on my laptop
[07:41] <Knowerrors> tuxius: sudo uses your user password
[07:41] <Knowerrors> whatever you created on install
[07:42] <Knowerrors> I sudo all the time,and my root user is locked too, never made a root account (on this install)
[07:42] <tuxius> Knowerrors: and when i uses sudo I have permission to do all?
[07:42] <Knowerrors> yup
[07:43] <gsnedders> how much RAM would i need to run kubuntu smoothly on a duron 700?
[07:43] <Knowerrors> it times out though... you have to give it the password again each new session, or if youre idle
[07:43] <tuxius> then im going to try it!
[07:43] <`Nomad> it,s more secure that way
[07:43] <tuxius> Knowerrors: it didnt work
[07:43] <tuxius> Knowerrors: I used my personaly user pass
[07:44] <tuxius> but when i type "sudo" in login screen it fails
[07:44] <tuxius> it asks for a pass, but when i then types my personal password for user: tommy, i gets an error
[07:44] <`Nomad> login as you, you use sudo at teh command line
[07:44] <tuxius> allright
[07:45] <`Nomad> if you're logged in as you and start somethign that needs root permission, a dialog box will pop up.. Enter YOUR password :)
[07:45] <Knowerrors> right
[07:46] <Knowerrors> tuxius: or if you want to launch a gui app like gimp or kate as sudo, go to K menu, run, then type kdesu kate, or kdesu gimp
[07:46] <`Nomad> I have a stupid question.. When you're in a document (Openoffice in this case) and you want som etext to be on teh vertical (As in those ads where you tear off the phone number), what's teh term for that?  If there's one, trying to find it in menus
[07:46] <SuperNova> does anyone know what those keys are?
[07:47] <`Nomad> gog keys
[07:47] <`Nomad> http://www.gpg.org
[07:47] <Knowerrors> Nomad font rotation I think
[07:47] <`Nomad> k
[07:47] <`Nomad> looking
[07:49] <Knowerrors> anybody know how to change color range in Krita?
[07:54] <tuxius> how do  i startx then?
[07:54] <`Nomad> I'll be happy when I get my wacom board to work with pressure in linux :)
[07:54] <tuxius> startx does  not work, im getting error
[07:54] <^rob^> hi
[07:54] <`Nomad> Knowerrors: Found rotation under paragraph style ;)
[07:54] <^rob^> does anyone know OOCalc well?
[07:54] <`Nomad> Well I never went out drinking with it..
[07:54] <`Nomad> but hey!  :)
[07:55] <tuxius> I cant startx
[07:55] <slew> it buyes your drinks!
[07:55] <tuxius> gets an error everytime...
[07:55] <tuxius> fatal IO error 104
[07:55] <Knowerrors> `Nomad: cool
[07:56] <tuxius> Knowerrors: do you know how to fix that one, if you do your good
[07:56] <Knowerrors> tuxius: is this new?  Have you ever been able to startx on this install?
[07:56] <tuxius> Knowerrors: no i have never got into kde
[07:57] <tuxius> Knowerrors: ive installed and reinstalled it three phu*king times
[07:57] <slew> i need to install kubunutu-desktop on another system, whats the link for the repository?
[07:57] <`Nomad> Knowerrors: My krita seg faults.. :(
[07:57] <tuxius> slew: whats the distro you are want it to be using
[07:58] <tuxius> remember the only diffrence between ubuntu and kubuntu is that kubuntu is using k desktop envirment, and ubuntu uses gnome
[07:58] <Knowerrors> tuxius: you have everything plugged in I assume... in that case its prob your monitor or video card didn't get setup right
[07:58] <slew> its ubuntu, im installing as server, and need to put kde on it instead of gnome
[07:59] <`Nomad> slew: sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[07:59] <`Nomad> I think
[07:59] <Knowerrors> slew: just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:59] <tuxius> Knowerrors: may it be that  i uses an ati card and have to "sudo apt-get install ati-drivers?
[07:59] <slew> does that give me the new kde as well?
[07:59] <Knowerrors> tuxius: do an apt-cache search ati
[07:59] <Knowerrors> slew: no
[08:00] <Knowerrors> you need the repos listed on the kubutu.org site
[08:00] <Knowerrors> for kde 3.5.1
[08:00] <slew> ok
[08:00] <tuxius> i did Knowerrors but it showd an anormas list
[08:00] <slew> thanks =] 
[08:00] <tuxius> enormas
[08:00] <tuxius> or whatever, live in norway and suck in english
[08:01] <bubi> hello all
[08:01] <bubi> can anyone help me out with su problems
[08:02] <bubi> i just installed kubuntu 5.10
[08:03] <Knowerrors> bubi: don't need su, use sudo instead
[08:03] <tuxius> Knowerrors: whats the real diffrence?
[08:04] <bubi> tried to sudo pppoeconf but i get error "unable to lookup kubuntu via gethostbyname"
[08:06] <Knowerrors> tuxius: su changes you to root, sudo is like doing root things as user, on a per command basis, I think
[08:06] <Knowerrors> you can set what things sudo is allowed to do in the sudoers file
[08:06] <Knowerrors> restrict it, so it can't do all that root can
[08:07] <bubi> ppl dont get flamewar here, rather help me :)
[08:07] <bubi> if u can
[08:07] <Knowerrors> bubi: no flamewar, think tuxius just didn't know how sudo works
[08:08] <Knowerrors> bubi: I don't know what your error is, sorry
[08:09] <vanda1> does anyone know how to adjust my screen? it seems pushed over to the left
[08:09] <`Nomad> Anyone here using skype?  I get a weird thing happening, I use headphones and a mic, but somehow the microphone feeds back the caller,s voice back th them, liek using speakers instead of headphones..
[08:10] <cgentry72> ok now konquor wont open as my filemanager for some reason... when i click on an icon
[08:11] <cgentry72> is there a way to restore kubuntu defaults
[08:17] <_ganymed> ciao
[08:18] <Knowerrors> tuxius: you should already have the ati drivers/modules with default install, theyre in the package "linux-restricted-modules"
[08:19] <Riggzy> Hey ^^   My friend just installed Kubuntu, and since I dont have an install of Kubuntu infront of me I cant help him very accruately... so, how can he install make from the CD after he;s installed everything? I remember there was a package manager for stuff from the CD but I cannot remember  ><
[08:20] <slow-motion> re
[08:21] <Knowerrors> Riggzy: go to Apept, manage repositories, enable the deb cdrom... line, disable the rest, then fetch updates
[08:21] <Knowerrors> Adept
[08:22] <Knowerrors> tuxius: what are the specs of your system? cpu, ram, etc... is the ati card really new?
[08:23] <tuxius> Knowerrors: pretty new
[08:23] <tuxius> i got a Packard Bell Easynote W
[08:23] <Ayiden> Does anyone know how to set the domain name.. when I type host I get my localhost name but if I type host -d I get host lookup failor. I have bind9 installed
[08:23] <tuxius> i bought two months ago
[08:24] <mars> Hi what do I need to set tansparency for windows background?
[08:24] <nalioth> Ayiden: "man hostname" or "google hostname"
[08:25] <mars> ?
[08:25] <Knowerrors> tuxius: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , then select the VESA video driver, that should get x started ok, then you can tweak video settings later
[08:26] <tuxius> Knowerrors: thanks ill trie that, do  you think it will work
[08:26] <Knowerrors> tuxius: try going to http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ and searching for your help with your ati card there
[08:27] <Knowerrors> tuxius: should work, yes, I went to the forum and just typed in your error "fatal IO error 104"
[08:28] <tuxius> people like you makes it easyer living
[08:28] <tuxius> thanks very mutch
[08:28] <Knowerrors> many posts with same problem, go read there for more help if reconfigure doesn't help
[08:28] <Knowerrors> no problem, good luck
[08:28] <tuxius> much*
[08:30] <evilh> i was wondering if there was a way to control my music player on my windows xp computer from my kubuntu laptop?
[08:33] <`Nomad> Could you control it from another windows machine^
[08:34] <`Nomad> what player is it?
[08:34] <evilh> im not sure. i think so but i dont have another windows machine to test theory
[08:34] <evilh> winamp
[08:34] <`Nomad> VLC has it's own web interface to it
[08:35] <`Nomad> Then winamp.com is the place to look :)  If they have a remote interfacing built-in, then you<ll know what to look for
[08:36] <evilh> *slaps head* why didnt i think of that? should have been the first place i looked.
[08:37] <`Nomad> come share it after, maybe some other people would like to know ;)
[08:37] <tuxius> i tried the mesa driver
[08:37] <`Nomad> but VLC rulez!
[08:37] <tuxius> it wouldnt work
[08:37] <tuxius> now i didnt get the error when i second tried to config it for ati drivers
[08:37] <`Nomad> hehe
[08:40] <ziza> apropos VLC, it's completely screwed on my system, dunno why
[08:40] <`Nomad> Knowerrors: So Krita is working on your 3.5.1?
[08:40] <Knowerrors> Im still on 3.5.0
[08:40] <`Nomad> ziza: what does it say?  Start it from the command line
[08:41] <ziza> i did
[08:41] <Knowerrors> Im halfway through updating to 3.5.1
[08:41] <`Nomad> any message^
[08:41] <ziza> it says:
[08:41] <`Nomad> ?
[08:41] <`Nomad> Know: ok.. :)
[08:41] <ziza> VLC media player 0.8.4-svn20040920 Janus
[08:41] <ziza> GThread-ERROR **: GThread system may only be initialized once.
[08:41] <ziza> aborting...
[08:41] <ziza> Aborted
[08:42] <`Nomad> you probably still have a faulty process running?
[08:42] <`Nomad> or is it always liek that even if you reboot?
[08:42] <`Nomad> ziza: is your system all up to date?
[08:43] <ziza> yep
[08:43] <ziza> got KDE 3.5.1
[08:43] <`Nomad> I do too and I<m using it right now
[08:43] <Drakeson> Cool! have you seen this: http://atomchip.com/_wsn/page4.html
[08:43] <ziza> the problem with VLC happened just from one moment to the other
[08:43] <`Nomad> soem corrupted library maybe..  Remove VLC and reinstall?
[08:44] <ziza> i guess i tried that already, but i can try it again
[08:44] <`Nomad> Drakeson: Interesting.. Meanwhile  :(    http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0202-26.htm
[08:44] <kitsch> i'm on a fresh kubuntu installation now, and for some really weird reason i can't upgrade to kde 3.5.0/3.5.1 or amarok 1.3.8 which is really annoying. i have of course got the correct sources in sources.list and keys, i've updated package index et.c. anyone have any bright ideas what might cause this?
[08:45] <`Nomad> you did an   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    ?
[08:45] <kitsch> nomad: yes
[08:45] <`Nomad> messages?
[08:47] <kitsch> nomad: before it said i had no more packages to upgrade, but now it installed one new package (ksysgauard) (since i commented out the default sources that come with kubuntu).
[08:47] <`Nomad> maybe redo your sources, i tseems to make a difference from time to time
[08:47] <`Nomad> you know easysource?
[08:48] <kitsch> no?
[08:48] <`Nomad> ubotu tell kitsch about easysource
[08:48] <`Nomad> It's usually recommended to not use the cutting edge repositories if you like your system stable
[08:49] <kitsch> thanks, i'll try it but i dont think that's the problem. i'm using the sources from the kubuntu website and i've also tried my backup of sources.list ... :/
[08:50] <`Nomad> yeah I know
[08:50] <`Nomad> just fishing
[08:50] <Tm_T> `Nomad: also, "cutting edge" repositories got newest bug fixes
[08:50] <`Nomad> Tm: i agree
[08:51] <Drakeson> `Nomad: there will be alternatives to them! I am currently interested in "Wireless Community Networks" which means people get connected to the net through themselves at least as an alternative to the current "Internet cabled to home" system
[08:51] <bisquit> Hello, everytime I try to log in via the Normal Login screen, my screen goes black, and you see the blinking cursor, but then it comes rite back up, and if I put in the wrong pass, it says login failed, so that can't be the prob
[08:52] <`Nomad> !easysource
[08:52] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:52] <bisquit> Anyone got anything on that?
[08:53] <evilh> well i have scoured winamp.com and this is the only plugin for winamp that may allow me to do what i want: http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details.php?id=143259&show=reviews
[08:54] <eightiesk> !reactos
[08:54] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[08:55] <evilh> how does one compile source code in kubuntu?
[08:56] <evilh> im tired of not knowing how and as a result not being able to do things
[08:57] <kitsch> what can i do to make apt-get upgrade to not keep certain packages back? i checked the man page quickly but found no good way...
[08:58] <kitsch> evilh: you need libtool
[08:58] <`Nomad> evilh:  The second message in teh comments on that page, the guy offers his help if you compile it on linux.. :)
[08:58] <apokryphos> kitsch: manually select them for upgrade?
[08:59] <evilh> nomad: oops missed that. i need new glasses
[08:59] <evilh> or a better laptop
[09:00] <rizo> hi
[09:00] <kitsch> apokryphos: when i do sudo apt-get upgrade, i get about 70 packages that are "kept back" from being upgraded. i'd like most of them to be upgraded (and i dont mind if all get upgraded)
[09:00] <`Nomad> evilh: th e4rth one actually, srry :)
[09:00] <rizo> since installig kubuntu desktop i am unbale to change fonts in my gnome desktop environment
[09:00] <apokryphos> kitsch: so do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:00] <boz> dark_suic  trying to install breezy on my kids system, when i insert the install cd i get a crc error after the ubuntu screen comes up....System Halted. any ideas??
[09:00] <rizo> can anyone help ?
[09:01] <`Nomad> boz: You<re CD has become a toaster^
[09:01] <`Nomad> ?
[09:01] <dark_suic> crc?
[09:01] <dark_suic> i think more or less the same as nomad :P
[09:01] <dark_suic> is the cd ok?
[09:01] <dark_suic> i don't think so...
[09:01] <`Nomad> coaster I meant..
[09:01] <rizo> i have kde and gnome installed on my system but i can not change the font of gnome apps it seems that KDE is controlling it how can i change back to the default?
[09:01] <`Nomad> man I<m out of it today.. :)
[09:01] <boz> Nomad this is the second cd from my shipit order i've tried??
[09:02] <`Nomad> I don't know shipit
[09:02] <kitsch> apokryphos: you're right, forgot to do it :D i did it five minutes ago but i forgot to do it since i hade upgraded my sources.list again. you forget things after you've been working on things like this for hours... :D
[09:02] <apokryphos> =)
[09:02] <boz> is that common??
[09:02] <`Nomad> boz: not that I know
[09:02] <boz> lo ok trying copy # 3
[09:02] <`Nomad> copy #3^
[09:02] <`Nomad> ?
[09:02] <`Nomad> oh you download it from them?
[09:03] <boz> outta the 5 they sent me i've tried two different ones so far AND the live cd..same error mss
[09:03] <`Nomad> weird..
[09:03] <boz> no these are from their shipit program
[09:03] <`Nomad> Just out of curiosity, how much does that cost^
[09:03] <`Nomad> ?
[09:04] <dark_suic> nomad, shipit is the service that sends you free ubuntu cds home
[09:04] <dark_suic> it's free
[09:04] <`Nomad> ohh ok
[09:04] <boz> nothing... free shipping and all
[09:04] <`Nomad> nice
[09:04] <boz> it took like 8 weeks though
[09:04] <boz> but who can complain?
[09:04] <`Nomad> If you use the Live CD in another PC, does it work?
[09:05] <boz> i'm hunting for the install cd that i set this one up on as we speak
[09:06] <`Nomad> So people order it that don't have HighSpeed Internet then?
[09:07] <Tuxiscool> I have an ethernet adapter that is listed as "UNCLAIMED" by lshw -C network. Anyone know how I could make it claimed?
[09:07] <Tuxiscool> It's driver is loaded properly, there is just no device file for it.
[09:07] <boz> no i tried burning an iso a had some broken packages so i ordered their cd...  BTW same message with the KNOWN GOOD copy
[09:09] <boz> could my cd-rom be getting a little freaky. iwouldn't think so though if it'll boot to the brown screen?
[09:09] <`Nomad> boz: hard to say but try a cleaning
[09:09] <`Nomad> could certainly be
[09:09] <`Nomad> is it old?
[09:10] <boz> its been sitting on a shelf in the garage, very possible : )
[09:10] <dark_suic> boz, does livecd work?
[09:10] <boz> <<<giving it a shot
[09:11] <boz> same message
[09:11] <`Nomad> look sliek it needs a kick mor ethan a shot  ;)
[09:12] <Tuxiscool> I have an ethernet adapter that is listed as "UNCLAIMED" by lshw -C network. Anyone know how I could make it claimed?
[09:13] <boz> lmao. i'll try taking it out to the backyard and shooting it.  I have another cd-rom around here, I'll try that
[09:15] <darkhunter> Hi
[09:15] <darkhunter> I need help with Kubuntu guys. :(
[09:15] <darkhunter> Anybody not away?
[09:15] <evilh> urg i cant find the guy that said he knew how to compile that server for winamp in linux *bangs head on desk*
[09:15] <evilh> darkhunter: whats the problem?
[09:15] <darkhunter> Ok
[09:16] <darkhunter> The problem is
[09:16] <apokryphos> server for winamp?
[09:16] <darkhunter> I installed Kubuntu on my PC, and reformatted my Windows. I got no CD for reformatting/installation.
[09:16] <darkhunter> It installed incorrectly.
[09:16] <darkhunter> When I boot up my computer, I login
[09:16] <evilh> apokryphos: yeah i wanna play music on winamp on my windows machine from my kubuntu laptop
[09:16] <darkhunter> and then, It says im logged in (The black and white screen) and then, ti wants mt eo type in commands
[09:17] <darkhunter> When I installed it (The base system), it selected me about 9 options to choose from (linux-smg-...) or somethinglike that, and I chose any
[09:17] <tuxius> Knowerrors: i've installed it again, and trying the commandline you gave me, its still not working
[09:17] <eightiesk> #reactos
[09:17] <eightiesk> hello?
[09:17] <darkhunter> They all gave me errors, and I want to go back to Windows. But I have NO cd. I only have DVDs I can burn too
[09:17] <evilh> darkhunter: so you installed kubuntu and when you login you are at a black and white command prompt. is that right?
[09:17] <darkhunter> Im on the live CD right now, and the only think I can use
[09:17] <darkhunter> thing*
[09:17] <darkhunter> Yes
[09:17] <darkhunter> I tried all commands (boot, startx, etc..). Nothing works.
[09:17] <tuxius> Knowerrors: -- maybe you'll guide me through  the menuz?
[09:17] <darkhunter> I typed "help", but I can not scroll up and down :(.
[09:18] <tuxius> !help
[09:18] <evilh> darkhunter: i had the same problem when i first installed kubuntu. try reinstalling it if you have the .iso for it burned to a disc. though it sounds as though you dont have that
[09:19] <tuxius> Knowerrors: i've installed it again, and trying the commandline you gave me, its still not working
[09:19] <tuxius> afk?
[09:19] <darkhunter> I have the iso.
[09:19] <darkhunter> I tried many times.
[09:19] <darkhunter> I keep getting the error.
[09:19] <apokryphos> evilh: samba?
[09:19] <boz> Darc_Suic. Figured it out, aopen mobo has a failsafe boot feature, when i disabled it, it took right off, go figure : )
[09:19] <darkhunter> I have 9 options to choose from and the options are something like: linux-smg..., linux-smg-4349 or something)
[09:19] <tuxius> CAN ANYONEHELP ME?? CANT STARTX IN UBUNTU
[09:19] <darkhunter> The base system is causing the problem :(.
[09:19] <darkhunter> But...I picked a option that didnt give me errors
[09:19] <darkhunter> but I still get the black and white screen
[09:20] <evilh> darkhunter: hmm the only option i can think of is redownloading the .iso from another mirror from another computer if you can. thats what i did. then i reinstalled and now its working great
[09:20] <darkhunter> I got no other computer :(.
[09:21] <apokryphos> Tuxiscool: drop the caps
[09:21] <darkhunter> I ordered the CDs though before I burned it
[09:21] <apokryphos> * tuxius
[09:21] <darkhunter> but thats going to take 6-8 weeks :(
[09:21] <evilh> apokryphos: samba is on and i can see and play my music off my windows computer. but i dont want to play the music on my crappy laptop speakers i wanna play it on my nice 5.1 surround hooked up to the windows machine
[09:21] <darkhunter> Evilh, what option did you choose from for the base system?
[09:21] <boz> dark_suic  i guess WinXP was not the least bit happy with me trying to unredmondize my machine, lol
[09:21] <evilh> darkhunter: i went with defaults on everything
[09:22] <evilh> then configured things once it was running
[09:22] <darkhunter> is there a option for it to install
[09:22] <darkhunter> default things?
[09:22] <dark_suic> lol, strange computer, boz
[09:22] <apokryphos> evilh: hm, I have no idea what to do there, I guess I'd just run an apache server in that scenario
[09:22] <tuxius> sry caps, im just really desperate
[09:23] <apokryphos> tuxius: what is the error?
[09:23] <evilh> darkhunter: yeah when the install screen pops up when you boot i just hit enter and followed the instructions from there
[09:23] <tuxius> cant startx cuz 104 error
[09:23] <tuxius> fatal error  104 (connection reset by peer) etc
[09:23] <darkhunter> Yeh...but then, you got to set up the parition
[09:23] <darkhunter> and everything. Cant it do it auto?
[09:24] <evilh> apokryphos: yeah that looks like what i might have to do since i cant find the website for the guy that configured a sound server for winamp for linux or a linux version of slipstream
[09:24] <eightiesk> !nstf
[09:24] <ubotu> eightiesk: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:24] <eightiesk> !ntsf
[09:24] <ubotu> eightiesk: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:24] <tuxius> fatal error  104 (connection reset by peer) etc ! help!
[09:24] <apokryphos> tuxius: that output is more or less useless. Could you pastebin the output?
[09:24] <eightiesk> !nfts
[09:24] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[09:25] <eightiesk> !ntfs
[09:25] <ubotu> I guess ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[09:25] <apokryphos> !botabuse
[09:25] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[09:25] <tuxius> k
[09:25] <darkhunter> !botabuse
[09:25] <evilh> darkhunter: the installation process will do everything as far as i know. the only input it needed from me was a network name, user name and a password and some basic partition info
[09:25] <tuxius> gonna write the whole line
[09:25] <darkhunter> Ok
[09:25] <darkhunter> So
[09:25] <darkhunter> If I get the error again
[09:25] <darkhunter> Should I keep using live cd?
[09:25] <darkhunter> and wait 6 weeks for the cds to come?
[09:25] <tuxius> "fatal IO error 104 (connection reset   by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with  events remaining
[09:26] <tuxius> "
[09:26] <evilh> darkhunter: yes live cd, while extremely slow, will work until you getyour cd's in the mail or can get on another machine to try redownloading the .iso
[09:26] <eightiesk> !partition
[09:26] <ubotu> eightiesk: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:26] <apokryphos> tuxius: that's really just not enough output. There'd be other things there
[09:26] <evilh> darkhorse: or maybe someone else in here has a better idea. i'm still pretty new at this though i am learning quickly thanks to the people in here
[09:28] <tuxius> apokryphos:  how do i config my ati-card then?
[09:28] <apokryphos> tuxius: /msg ubotu ati
[09:30] <humboldt> is there a way in kde to make a DVD from divx or any other movie files?
[09:32] <evilh> apokryphos: i think i know a way to do it
[09:36] <apokryphos> humboldt: k3b
[09:37] <humboldt> apokryphos: not really. I first have to convert my divx movies to mpeg2 movies and extract the audio as well, when I am not mistaken. k3b does not do that for me.
[09:38] <_rafa> hi ! everybody
[09:38] <evilh> _rafa: hi
[09:38] <apokryphos> humboldt: divx avis, right? Yup, I'm pretty sure it does those
[09:38] <_rafa> I am having problems with /dev/parport0, could anybody try to help me ?
[09:39] <_rafa> (or give me some clues) ?
[09:39] <humboldt> apokryphos: yes. how?
[09:39] <apokryphos> (remember, avis are mpeg-1 layer)
[09:40] <tuxius> apokryphos:  - i did it!:D working      for   4 days, and now, finally it works :D
[09:40] <apokryphos> =)
[09:41] <humboldt> apokryphos: avis can be everything. Avi is just a file format not a codec! divx = mpeg4 = mpeg1 layer 4 by the way
[09:41] <apokryphos> sorry, I should have said "can be"
[09:41] <grxmrx> I have installed kubuntu (breezy) once again and now I want to upgrade kde to 3.5.1, when I tried to dist-upgrade apt informs me that kubuntu-desktop package is going to be removed, is that ok?
[09:41] <apokryphos> yes, avis are cupholders =)
[09:41] <_rafa> I am trying to use pikdev, or pkp, but when it try to open /dev/parport0 it saids: "/dev/parport0 must be rw enabled): No such device or address"
[09:42] <_rafa>   /dev/parport0 is rw for all users (rw-rw-rw-)
[09:42] <apokryphos> grxmrx: it's ok, but I'm not sure that it should happen. Could you pastebin the whole output from the command?
[09:43] <tuxius> how do i set up my ethernet card
[09:43] <eidolon> hi folks.  anyone know why amarok has been pulled from dapper?
[09:43] <tuxius> ive found the module its rt2500
[09:43] <eidolon> i was using it :)
[09:43] <tuxius> i modeprobe it, but still dosent work
[09:43] <tuxius> but i guess i have to do something more?
[09:44] <apokryphos> grxmrx: I did say paste :)
[09:44] <apokryphos> *pastebin
[09:44] <apokryphos> heh
[09:44] <tuxius> someone pleas
[09:45] <_rafa> tuxius: perhaps you should tell modprobe which port is using the card
[09:46] <_rafa> tuxius: is that a wireless card ?
[09:47] <markrian> Is it possible to have amaroK always show all the songs present in your collection, without having to manually re-scan the collection, clear the playlist and add the "All Collection" playlist?
[09:47] <markrian> So for instance, if I copy music files to my collection directory, amaroK automatically adds it?
[09:47] <ackbahr> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:47] <ackbahr> Hi all! I'm trying to follow this tutorial (http://foo2hp.rkkda.com/), but when I try to launch gnome-cups-manager, I get error messages : Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:47] <ackbahr> and what popped in just above.
[09:47] <ackbahr> Does someone know what I am to do?
[09:50] <ackbahr> Good bye....
[09:50] <grxmrx> apokryphos: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/535909
[09:51] <apokryphos> not that I can understand the language at all ;-)
[09:52] <apokryphos> grxmrx: ok, I see; perhaps the packaging of kdepim has changed. Yes, it should be fine.
[09:52] <apokryphos> though you should make sure it's installed before you upgrade to dapper
[09:53] <Tuxiscool> I have an ethernet adapter that is listed as "UNCLAIMED" by lshw -C network. Anyone know how I could make it claimed?
[09:54] <grxmrx> apokryphos: "Nast&#281;puj&#261;ce pakiety zostan&#261; USUNI&#280;TE:" - following packages are going to be removed
[09:55] <apokryphos> [20:52:08]  <apokryphos> grxmrx: ok, I see; perhaps the packaging of kdepim has changed. Yes, it should be fine.
[09:55] <grxmrx> apokryphos: "zatrzymane" - stopped, "zaktualizowane" - upgraded
[09:55] <apokryphos> [20:52:26]  <apokryphos> though you should make sure it's installed before you upgrade to dapper
[09:55] <EightiesK> ne1 know a way i can see my linux partition in windows.
[09:57] <grxmrx> apokryphos: I cannot install kdepim :( there is depencences problem with this package
[09:57] <apokryphos> EightiesK: might be worth asking in #ubuntu
[09:57] <apokryphos> grxmrx: what is it?
[09:58] <arrinmurr> EightiesK: http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/ ?
[09:58] <grxmrx> apokryphos: it's not installed and I cannot install it
[09:59] <apokryphos> grxmrx: what's the error?
[10:00] <EightiesK> arrinmurr, what do i want to dl from there?
[10:00] <grxmrx> apokryphos: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/535922
[10:00] <arrinmurr> EightiesK: i'd guess "Ext2fsd, An ext2 filesystem driver for Windows NT/2K/XP. The most recent version has read-write support."
[10:01] <EightiesK> nice
[10:01] <grxmrx> apokryphos: "wymaga" - require, "nie zostanie zainstalowany" - is not installed
[10:01] <apokryphos> hm, I see
[10:01] <apokryphos> grxmrx: what happens if you try to install one of those individually?
[10:01] <apokryphos> grxmrx: i.e. try sudo apt-get install akregator
[10:02] <EightiesK> arrinmurr, do you know how 2 use it?
[10:02] <grxmrx> apokryphos: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/535927
[10:03] <arrinmurr> EightiesK: no, but i think that with that you can use your linux (ext2/ext3) partitions in windows the same way you use the normal windows partitions
[10:03] <apokryphos> grxmrx: try to install kdelibs4c2 now
[10:04] <flipjarg> f
[10:05] <grxmrx> apokryphos: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/535933
[10:07] <apokryphos> grxmrx: keep tracing them back ;-)
[10:09] <tuxius> hi
[10:09] <tuxius> i followed a rt2500 install guide
[10:09] <tuxius> it says: This will install neccessery packages for the compilation, after you write your password.
[10:09] <tuxius> Note for Breezy: You need to install gcc-3.4 instead of (or along with) the default gcc-4 using the following command:
[10:09] <FaX-> hiya
[10:09] <tuxius> sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4
[10:09] <flipjarg> How do i get my firefox window  to fill the full screen when i open a firefox window up?
[10:09] <tuxius> but kubuntu says it could not find the package
[10:09] <tuxius> what do i do to get the package?
[10:11] <flipjarg> tuxius: Open Adept and do a search for gcc
[10:12] <flipjarg> tuxius: then scroll down untill you see gcc-3.4 and install it.
[10:12] <_blaise> Has anyone figured out a way to stop Kubuntu crashing around the Starting HotPlug Subsystem / Asla routine?
[10:13] <FaX-> I need help :(
[10:13] <_blaise> *Alsa
[10:16] <Phazeman> is there any place i can see the time frames of the drapper release ?
[10:16] <Phazeman> dapper*
[10:16] <Knowerrors> tuxius: you may need to enable more repositories, go to Adept>Manage repositories, and enable them all, then reload
[10:17] <vandal> how come the install never asked me for a root password?
[10:17] <FaX-> any bud know this error?
[10:17] <FaX-> xsetroot: unable to open displey "
[10:17] <FaX-> xset: unable to open display "
[10:17] <FaX-> ecc ecc
[10:17] <FaX-> poi
[10:17] <FaX-> ksplash: cannot connect to X server
[10:17] <FaX-> kdeinit: Aborting. $DISPLAY is not set.
[10:17] <FaX-> Warning: Connect failed: :No such file or directory
[10:17] <FaX-> ksmserver: cannot connect to x server
[10:17] <grxmrx> apokryphos: is it possible if I to turn off kde351 respositories in sources.list and clean information about the newer packages in order to install kdepim from breezy?
[10:17] <FaX-> ** (ivman:8582): warning **: manager.c/866: couldn't connect to hal!
[10:17] <FaX-> error: couldn't attach to DCOP server!
[10:18] <Phazeman> vandal: kubuntu/ubuntu doesn't use root account. it works with sudo
[10:18] <grxmrx> apokryphos: is it possible to install it from breezy now?
[10:18] <apokryphos> Grarg: the 3.5.1  packs work fine, they're really not the things causing the problem
[10:22] <_vandal> opps
[10:22] <_vandal> anyone know how i can set my root password?
[10:22] <_vandal> the install never asked me
[10:23] <arrinmurr> !root
[10:23] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[10:23] <_vandal> wisht they would tell me :P
[10:23] <grxmrx> apokryphos: ok, I can install kdepim now :]  hope it helps to safe upgrade of kde
[10:23] <_vandal> ok and last thing my screen is pushing off the left side a bit, how can i fix that up
[10:47] <honkzilla> I'm getting a sigsegv while trying to configure my wireless network on a Breezy + KDE 3.5.1 system.  The crash happens when I select eth1, and click "configure interface."  Anyone have any bright ideas?
[10:48] <honkzilla> Besides "use the commandline tools?"
[10:53] <trispace> hmm, it seems that kgpg doesn't forgets new added keyservers
[10:54] <trispace> sorry, i mean: it forgets new added keyservers
[10:55] <visik7> http://pastebin.com/536025
[10:55] <visik7> WTF ?
[10:56] <dark_suic> what happens?
[10:56] <dark_suic> you can install it
[10:57] <visik7> why it ask it to me
[10:57] <Nirvana> visik7: means it's probably not signed with an encryption key
[10:57] <visik7> the pkg itself ?
[10:57] <Nirvana> visik7: yes
[10:58] <visik7> oh ok
[10:58] <Nirvana> visik7: you can still install it, just make sure you know exactly what this pkg does
[11:00] <Nirvana> "checking Qt - version >= 3.2.0... no  /// configure: error: Qt Mozilla requires at least version 3.2.0 of Qt"
[11:00] <Nirvana> anyone know what pkg I need ^^
[11:00] <visik7> libqt-mt-dev
[11:00] <visik7> probably
[11:01] <visik7> libqt3-mt-dev
[11:01] <visik7> more probably
[11:02] <tuxius> i need to get my ra0 working?
[11:02] <tuxius> how do I make it working?
[11:04] <tuxius> please, anyone here?
[11:10] <tuxius> hi everyone, please i NEED help
[11:10] <Nirvana> ra0 is?
[11:11] <Nirvana> visik7: I have that lib... it's the first thing I checked
[11:11] <Nirvana> tuxius: explain the problem, and what ra0 is...
[11:13] <visik7> how can I lock the screen when lid switch is detected ? I can only hibernate or standby or suspend or poweroff or logout but no lock screen
[11:14] <Nirvana> visik7: I don't know if it's a bug or not, I have the same problem. If i want to lock the screen I click the Klaptop button and click hibernate (it hibernates and locks the session)
[11:15] <visik7> Nirvana: I know
[11:15] <visik7> I've modified the lid.sh in /etc/acpi/ to lock the screen on lid event
[11:15] <visik7> but I prefer a native kde method
[11:15] <visik7> (if exists)
[11:15] <Nirvana> visik7: check if it's a bug at malone
[11:16] <visik7> malone ?
[11:16] <Nirvana> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com >> should direct you to the new bug tracker
[11:17] <bimberi> !malone
[11:17] <ubotu> hmm... malone is To search for or enter a bug on ubuntu visit https://launchpad.net/malone/
[11:17] <visik7> there is another bug in kde 3.5.1
[11:17] <visik7> but I dunno how if I can submit it
[11:17] <visik7> 'couse it's out of breezy
[11:21] <erhan_R> did anyone make kernel-compile with 2.6.12-10-686-smp and kde 3.5 ?
[11:29] <_vandal> hey again, does anyone why my screen is pushed off to the left a bit and how to adjust that?
[11:32] <brodel> _vandal: Try adjusting your monitor?
[11:33] <_vandal> brodel: lol
[11:33] <_vandal> i never even thought of that...
[11:33] <brodel> hehe
[11:33] <brodel> that's what I'd do.
[11:34] <brodel> I had to do that when I got my new monitor last week, so it was fresh in my mind.
[11:34] <_vandal> don't i feel like an idiot now
[11:34] <as_28> hello
[11:34] <_vandal> that worked just fine thanks a lot man
[11:34] <brodel> ha.. THAT kind of help, I can do. :)
[11:34] <as_28> thus anyone know why I wifi network card is goin disabld with no reason
[11:35] <_vandal> kubuntu is basically debian right? so can i install any .deb packages?
[11:35] <brodel> but I wouldn't know how to help something like as_28 :(
[11:35] <chavo__> _vandal, not really
[11:35] <brodel> not sure about that either. I'm pretty new.
[11:36] <_vandal> chavo_: ok was just wondering
[11:36] <chavo__> you can install them, but they can mess things up
[11:36] <_vandal> is there an apache 1 package for kubuntu?
[11:36] <bimberi> _vandal: yes ...
[11:36] <_vandal> i'm really new to this sorry
[11:36] <bimberi> !info apache
[11:36] <ubotu> apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section universe/web, is optional. Version: 1.3.33-8ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 374 kB, Installed size: 804 kB
[11:37] <_vandal> nice
[11:37] <bimberi> _vandal: it's in the universe repository, which you might have to add ...
[11:37] <bimberi> !universe
[11:37] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:37] <_vandal> i am used to console RH products so wanted to try this
[11:37] <_vandal> bimberi: is that kept up by 3rd party or something? or what is the reason it's not enabled by default (the universe repository)
[11:38] <bimberi> _vandal: it's community supported free software packages.  Look out, here's another factoid ...
[11:38] <bimberi> !components
[11:38] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[11:38] <_vandal> thanks :)
[11:38] <_vandal> that bot knows everything
[11:38] <bimberi> _vandal: np :)
[11:39] <bimberi> !botsnack
[11:39] <ubotu> thanks bimberi :)
[11:39] <_vandal> lol
[11:39] <_vandal> but this flavor compares mostly to debian right? say for paths where stuff is stored
[11:40] <_vandal> like where say httpd.conf would be stored
[11:40] <bimberi> _vandal: yes
[11:40] <_vandal> cool
[11:40] <_vandal> thanks man, been a great help
[11:40] <bimberi> _vandal: yw, have fun!
[11:40] <tuxius> is there any good ethernet configurators here=
[11:40] <tuxius> *?
[11:42] <as_28> can anyone help me with my ETH0?
[11:42] <`Nomad> Is there a switch to turn off the Mic. ?  On windows, it was off by default, and turned on by teh app, like skype for example
[11:42] <tuxius> any good eth experts here=
[11:42] <tuxius> ?
[11:43] <`Nomad> !cups
[11:43] <ubotu> from memory, cups is The Common UNIX Printing System (or CUPS) is a printing system and general replacement for lpd and the like.  See also http://linuxprinting.org/
[11:44] <_vandal> god this package management is amazing
[11:45] <meaton> Are there kde 3.5.1 packages available anywher eyet ?
[11:45] <`Nomad> do a dist-upgrade
[11:45] <`Nomad> to get 3.5.1
[11:45] <kkathman> meaton: yes you'll need to change your repo
[11:46] <meaton> to ?
[11:46] <`Nomad> oh yes, of course, ooops
[11:46] <kkathman> meaton:  read here:  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[11:46] <`Nomad> I need to know, is CUPS broken by default with Kubuntu?
[11:46] <meaton> thanks
[11:46] <kkathman> `Nomad:  no
[11:47] <kkathman> mine works fine
[11:47] <`Nomad> I cannot get in as admin, no matter what
[11:47] <as_28> hello
[11:48] <`Nomad> kkathman: How do I reset that admin so that I know it should work?  I<ve followed the linuxprinting instructions, no luck
[11:48] <`Nomad> it's like it<s on it,s own wavelength, ignoring me and teh changes
[11:52] <kkathman> `Nomad:  how are you accessing now?
[11:52] <kkathman> or trying to access I should say?
[11:53] <FaX`> hi
[11:53] <`Nomad> I've used the installation software that came with it, Samsung ML-2010
[11:54] <`Nomad> the printer is there, showing as offline (Cuz the admin can't log in to turn it on!!)  :(
[11:54] <`Nomad> I'v efollowed the instructions about adding cupsys to the shadow group
[11:54] <`Nomad> restarted and rebooted many times since
[11:54] <kkathman> `Nomad:  have you gone it thorugh system settings - printers?
[11:54] <`Nomad> yes i did
[11:54] <kkathman> and you cant click on admin group
[11:54] <`Nomad> I also went that route, going to pick the PPD file from teh CD
[11:54] <`Nomad> admin group?
[11:54] <`Nomad> where
[11:55] <kkathman> down at the bottom...sorry Admin mode
[11:55] <`Nomad> I'm gonna f*&*ing cry..  The button too far down to see.. It never looked like there was more....
[11:56] <kkathman> ok sounlol
[11:56] <`Nomad> Thanks!!  I hope that this is all that was needed.. LOL
[11:56] <kkathman> oops
[11:56] <kkathman> hehe
[11:56] <`Nomad> After all of this *^%!@#*^%!@#@     LOL
[11:57] <`Nomad> sending test page now, seems dead though
[11:57] <tuxius> any good eth experts here?
[11:57] <tuxius> i need help getting my eth card working
[11:57] <`Nomad> I strated the printer.
[11:57] <tuxius> neither the wierd or the wireless network is working
[12:00] <`Nomad> Why ar esome windows larger than the screen?  Shouldn"t they be designed for 1024X768 as a possibility?
[12:00] <kameron> anyone having problems with the kde screensaver not starting? i've upgraded all packages.