| zyga | night guys | 12:03 |
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| jsgotangco | what the heck, sabdfl cut his hair | 02:17 |
| ajmitch | yes | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | he almost looks respectable now | 02:20 |
| jsgotangco | he's speaking at the moment | 02:20 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:20 |
| jsgotangco | he's in a suit now | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | scary | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | I'm glad LCA is far more casual | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | well i am in a jacket too :/ | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | he's more corporate Canonical now that Ubuntu at the moment heh | 02:24 |
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| nekohayo | I see gst-plugins 0.10 base, good and ugly, but not "bad". Is it planned to include them in repositories? | 02:49 |
| tseng | no | 02:50 |
| tseng | they are bad | 02:50 |
| nekohayo | so users will have to compile from source I presume? | 02:50 |
| tseng | ugly means the license is ugly | 02:50 |
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| tseng | bad means its broken in some way | 02:51 |
| nekohayo | ah I see | 02:51 |
| nekohayo | about 1 out of 5 testing video files I carry can be played back, so I was wondering if that was the cause | 02:51 |
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| tseng | mm we still dont have good support for new wmv and mov stuff | 02:51 |
| tseng | in gstreamer | 02:52 |
| nekohayo | tseng: out of curiosity, is there a page listing what formats work and what not? | 02:52 |
| tseng | hm there was one a long long time ago | 02:54 |
| BenC | is totem supposed to play dvd's? | 02:54 |
| BenC | I can't seem to get it to cooperate, even after installing libdvdcss2 | 02:54 |
| tseng | BenC: with totem-xine and libdvdcss2 | 02:54 |
| tseng | gstreamer will not | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | hey tseng | 02:55 |
| nekohayo | I mean I "could" use and recommend using totem-xine for dapper drake final, but it would be kind of a shame... | 02:55 |
| tseng | hi jsgotangco | 02:55 |
| tseng | nekohayo: your google is as good as mine | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | dude sabdfl looks like a rep from redhat :/ | 02:55 |
| tseng | jsgotangco: wheres this | 02:55 |
| BenC | tseng: thanks | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | tseng: he's in Manila at the moment...in front of me...speaking to some companies... | 02:56 |
| tseng | jsgotangco: hm oh | 02:56 |
| BenC | "Totem was not able to play the DVD" "No reason" | 02:57 |
| BenC | correct, yet non-informative | 02:57 |
| tseng | I blame seb | 02:57 |
| BenC | tseng: any additional items besides libxine-extracodecs I need to install? | 02:59 |
| tseng | BenC: oh yeah | 02:59 |
| tseng | BenC: someone neutered xine | 02:59 |
| tseng | im not sure :/ | 02:59 |
| tseng | previously libxine1 was the whole shebang | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | tseng: possibly slomo_ | 03:00 |
| irvin | umm... why are we shipping totem-gstreamer and not totem-xine by default? | 03:01 |
| tseng | umm.. because gstreamer is not patent encumbered and totally modular by design | 03:02 |
| tseng | xine had to be hacked to pieces to achieve similar | 03:02 |
| tseng | also the rest of gnome uses gstreamer | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:03 |
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| BenC | any chance of there being a gstream0.10-dvd anytime soon? | 03:05 |
| Amaranth | BenC: If someone ports the 0.8 one :) | 03:10 |
| wasabi | .10 isn't really suitable to release without dvd support, imo. =/ | 03:10 |
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| BenC | well, atleast the latest rhythmbox plays itunes shares again | 03:30 |
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| floam | gnibbles in the current gnome-games packages is fscked (just try to play a game) | 05:45 |
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| calc | anyone happen to know why a lot of stuff in dapper still depends on xlibs which hasn't been in the archive for a long time now? | 06:24 |
| Tm_T | xlibs - X Window System client library transitional package | 06:31 |
| Tm_T | humm | 06:31 |
| Tm_T | in dapper | 06:31 |
| calc | shows as local on my system and has for at least several weeks | 06:31 |
| calc | *** Opt libs xlibs 6.8.2-77 <none> | 06:31 |
| Tm_T | humm | 06:32 |
| calc | i'm using archive.ubuntu.com, so its either not there or that server is broken and has been for a while now | 06:33 |
| calc | supposedly you can remove xlibs according to the desc after upgrading to breezy | 06:33 |
| calc | but if i try to remove it a lot of stuff becomes uninstallable | 06:34 |
| calc | well not a lot about 5 things | 06:34 |
| calc | lsb-graphics, python2.4-opengl, lsb, python-opengl | 06:34 |
| Tm_T | Candidate: 6.8.2-77 | 06:35 |
| calc | thats just what is already on my system | 06:35 |
| calc | apt-cache showpkg xlibs shows lots of dependencies | 06:35 |
| Tm_T | aye | 06:35 |
| Tm_T | should be fixed | 06:35 |
| Tm_T | file a bug? | 06:36 |
| calc | i don't remember my password, and i am about to go to bed, just was wondering if anyone else noticed it yet | 06:37 |
| calc | i'll file a bug when i get home tomorrow if its not already there | 06:37 |
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| calc | but i also dislike the amount of spam email i get from debian bts since its public too ;) | 06:38 |
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| Tm_T | haha | 06:53 |
| lamont | opal_2.1.2-0ubuntu3 needs the wonderful "use gcc-3.4 on hppa/mips/mipsel" love, or whichever the other 2 architectures were. | 07:03 |
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| ba | word up! are there less noobs in here then in #ubuntu, i sure hope so | 07:12 |
| Tm_T | err? | 07:13 |
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| Tm_T | ba: what exactly you're trying to say? | 07:13 |
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| ba | Tm_T: im just saying people in #ubuntu drive me up the wall. | 07:13 |
| Tm_T | support channel, what you expect | 07:14 |
| lamont | ba: and #ubuntu-devel is for discussing ongoing development... completely different charter/scope | 07:14 |
| Tm_T | aye | 07:14 |
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| ba | mmmm maybe i should start using the devel then | 07:14 |
| lamont | ba: what code are you working on, then? | 07:15 |
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| lamont | ba: this isn't the channel for getting help with the current devel snapshot... it's for discussing your proposed fix to whatever problem you have hit... | 07:15 |
| ba | non currently. im just getting back into linux after not being so active for awhile | 07:16 |
| lamont | cool | 07:16 |
| ba | just crossed over from mandriva about 6 months ago | 07:16 |
| Tm_T | stop swearing | 07:16 |
| ba | http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/files/6/9/4/1/4/likesleepingonacloudubuntu_original.png | 07:17 |
| ba | :D i got this in my mail today | 07:17 |
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| ba | whats the package you can get for using windows drivers for windows hardware in ubuntu | 07:45 |
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| ba | like wifi stuff? | 07:45 |
| mjg59 | ba: This isn't a support channel | 07:47 |
| Tm_T | ba: wiki.ubuntu.com | 07:47 |
| ba | ya i found it | 07:48 |
| ba | http://www.zerohex.org/2005/11/27/wifi-on-ubuntu-510-the-breezy-badger/ | 07:48 |
| HiddenWolf | ba: please continue in #ubuntu, this channel is for development | 07:49 |
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| triceratops | what is needed to recommend / wish a new program for dapper+1? Register a new product in launchpad? | 08:12 |
| siretart | triceratops: either add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates or file a ticket in launchpad | 08:17 |
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| siretart | 08:26 | |
| siretart | [Z | 08:26 |
| triceratops | siretart: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+tickets ? I thought it is for 'alert the Ubuntu support community'.. | 08:26 |
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| pappan | hi Simira | 08:59 |
| Simira | mrn | 09:00 |
| Simira | *yawns* | 09:00 |
| Simira | everyone in London ok today? | 09:01 |
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| pappan | what happened in london today ? | 09:01 |
| mdke | Simira, they're not here | 09:02 |
| Simira | mdke: what do you mean? | 09:03 |
| Simira | they're not awake yet? | 09:03 |
| mdke | they're not in the channel | 09:03 |
| Simira | right | 09:03 |
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| sivang | Simira: I heared many folks got ill | 09:16 |
| Treenaks | Something about a death plague? | 09:17 |
| Simira | yes, Mithrandir at least was better last night. It's a maximum two-days thing, I think. | 09:18 |
| Treenaks | They _have_ been handling a dapper drake | 09:20 |
| sivang | Treenaks: so? | 09:20 |
| Treenaks | sivang: handling poultry can give you scary diseases in some countries today | 09:20 |
| sivang | Treenaks: after loooking in dict, "hehe" :) | 09:22 |
| sivang | so, google are developing a goobuntu according to RegDeveloper :) | 09:22 |
| === sivang sometimes doesn't know whom to belive anymore | ||
| sivang | all thos sites, each one saying something else :) | 09:23 |
| Treenaks | sivang: The Reg is blowing it out of proportion | 09:23 |
| Treenaks | sivang: What I've heard is that some Google people run Ubuntu + modifications on their workstations, and call THAT goobuntu | 09:23 |
| sivang | Treenaks: that were my previous rumors, so that's ok :) | 09:24 |
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| Simira | fabbione :) How are you? | 09:40 |
| HiddenWolf | Treenaks: there is no such thing as bad publicity. | 09:40 |
| fabbione | morning | 09:40 |
| fabbione | hey Simira | 09:40 |
| fabbione | Simira: not too bad | 09:41 |
| Simira | fabbione: now you guys take it easy today! Don't get back to being sick! | 09:41 |
| fabbione | Simira: i wasn't really sick like the others | 09:41 |
| fabbione | i didn't get fever | 09:41 |
| Treenaks | .. yet | 09:42 |
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| sivang | fabbione is a pilot, he can't get sick :) | 09:46 |
| dholbach | good morning | 09:47 |
| mantiena-baltix | Hi all | 09:48 |
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| spacey | my colleague is not human, and even he gets sick :p | 09:52 |
| Treenaks | spacey: what is he then? | 09:52 |
| spacey | i will leave that to your imagination :) | 09:52 |
| Treenaks | spacey: he's your pet tentacle monster. | 09:53 |
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| spacey | :p | 09:58 |
| Simira | enrico :) | 09:59 |
| enrico | Simira: hi! | 09:59 |
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| sivang | hey enrico ! | 10:03 |
| enrico | sivang: :) | 10:05 |
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| slomo | ajmitch: yes, it was me ;) | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | slomo: good to know who to blame :) | 10:44 |
| seb128 | hi slomo ajmitch | 10:47 |
| slomo | hi seb128 :) you pinged me yesterday? | 10:47 |
| seb128 | yeah, it was about avahi stuff but we figured | 10:47 |
| seb128 | seems you need to restart avahi-daemon after setting your internet to get it working :/ | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | hello seb128 | 10:47 |
| Lathiat | 'setting your internet' ? | 10:48 |
| seb128 | so if you use nm avahi just doesn't work | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | unlikely | 10:48 |
| Lathiat | hrm, avahi works fine in combination with n-m here, i have howeer seen bugs in the past | 10:48 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: it's true for me | 10:48 |
| Lathiat | and one from a guy not so long ago | 10:48 |
| === ajmitch saw a live demo of nm & avahi together at LCA :) | ||
| seb128 | Lathiat: that was a random guess, I need to avahi-daemon to get it working | 10:48 |
| Lathiat | seb128: can you avahi-daemon -k and then avahi-daemon --debug and get NM to go and send me the output | 10:48 |
| seb128 | and that's the same for dholbach and mdz | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | Treenaks: I even got to meet an avahi author | 10:48 |
| Lathiat | or whoever has that problem | 10:49 |
| seb128 | ok, will do, thank you | 10:49 |
| Lathiat | ->lathiat@bur.st | 10:49 |
| Lathiat | cheers | 10:49 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: You meeting an avahi author doesn't make it less likely that the combination of network-manager + avahi works for me, because they don't :) | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | Treenaks: haha, yeah | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | I haven't started using NM yet | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | not until I know it works nicely with WPA | 10:49 |
| spacey | software is always more reliable if you know the author :p | 10:49 |
| === Lathiat grins | ||
| Treenaks | spacey: oh THAT's why your code is so broken :P | 10:50 |
| spacey | come on, my code does not even run | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | seb128: how does avahi fail? do services just not show up? | 10:51 |
| seb128 | avahi-discover/browse were not listing the machines until avahi-daemon is restarted | 10:52 |
| Lathiat | i know we've definately got a bug somewhere because i hit it randomly | 10:52 |
| Lathiat | but nothign reliably reproducable yet | 10:53 |
| Lathiat | just sometimes it stops picking things on an interface up | 10:53 |
| jordi | tseng: wow | 10:56 |
| jordi | tseng: I didn't know this | 10:56 |
| jordi | tseng: funny. At least distrowatch knew at the time that seb128 sucks quite a bit | 10:57 |
| seb128 | jordi: what? | 10:57 |
| ajmitch | heh | 10:57 |
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| Keybuk | argh! "Bugs I'm Subscribed To" includes all the debzilla bugs that have been closed in Ubuntu | 10:57 |
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| app | This is a wrong place to ask, but do you know any IRC channels for Windows developers? | 10:58 |
| === Lathiat laughs | ||
| HiddenWolf | app: try google | 10:59 |
| app | I tried. Google is not the best way to find which IRC channels exist, and are worth using. | 11:01 |
| JaneW | Lathiat / sivang : ping - Dapper Sataus meeting in ubunut-meeting if you'd like to join us... | 11:02 |
| Keybuk | heh, "ubunut" | 11:03 |
| JaneW | argh | 11:03 |
| === ajmitch wonders if it's worth talking about his single dapper goal in the meeting :) | ||
| jordi | seb128: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20040920 ; search Jordi | 11:05 |
| jordi | note the date of the article | 11:05 |
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| jordi | lala | 11:07 |
| seb128 | jordi: you were replying to some comment about a new article or something? | 11:07 |
| Kamion | ajmitch: don't see why not, if there's been interesting progress | 11:08 |
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| jordi | seb128: yeah, last night tseng mentioned it | 11:08 |
| seb128 | jordi: URL? | 11:08 |
| jordi | I didn't know that article | 11:08 |
| jordi | dude I just posted you a link | 11:08 |
| jordi | 11:05 < jordi> seb128: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20040920 ; search Jordi | 11:09 |
| seb128 | oh, ok | 11:09 |
| seb128 | I though there was a new one after that one | 11:09 |
| seb128 | you "creme-de-la-creme", what a joke :) | 11:09 |
| jordi | no this was on IRC | 11:09 |
| jordi | seb128: shuddup | 11:09 |
| seb128 | jordi: BTW what did you run previous time for evolution intltool issue | 11:10 |
| seb128 | a localize-update or something | 11:10 |
| seb128 | I've it on my IRC logs at home but dholbach has the same issue now | 11:10 |
| jordi | intltoolise | 11:10 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:10 |
| dholbach | rocknroll | 11:10 |
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| jordi | they are using a broken one | 11:10 |
| === jordi watches seb128 and dholbach resort to the creme-de-la-creme | ||
| seb128 | bah | 11:11 |
| === jordi goes away singing. | ||
| seb128 | when do you fix gnome-python? | 11:11 |
| seb128 | you slacker! | 11:11 |
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| MrFaber | hi all | 11:23 |
| MrFaber | Is it possible to support MIcrosft Natural Ergonmic Keyboard 4000 in Dapper? | 11:25 |
| MrFaber | A patch seems to be posted in a kernel mailing list | 11:25 |
| MrFaber | http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2006/Jan/0896.html | 11:26 |
| Tm_T | kernel... what's in that keyboard that it need kernel patch? | 11:26 |
| MrFaber | many keys who are unknown | 11:26 |
| MrFaber | And btw it doesn't work if it is plugged in on start at least in Breezy | 11:26 |
| MrFaber | I have to unplug and plug it again | 11:26 |
| mjg59 | MrFaber: Should be - I'm not sure why it wouldn't be happy with the standard driver, though | 11:27 |
| MrFaber | I am not sure but this problem doesn't happens with Dapper Live-CD | 11:27 |
| mjg59 | (Which ought to handle extra keys) | 11:27 |
| MrFaber | but I am going to test it | 11:27 |
| MrFaber | mjg59: Homepage, Searching, E-Mail, AUdio and calculator keys work | 11:27 |
| MrFaber | all others not | 11:27 |
| MrFaber | and back and forward :) | 11:27 |
| Diziet | I found some bug recently where there's a 128-entry table which gets indexed by the kernel from another table. The other table starts with some values >=128. | 11:28 |
| MrFaber | dmesg doesn't show any unknown key output and xev doesn't react with the other keys | 11:28 |
| Diziet | You can't _add_ values >=128 but the defaults are demonically nasal. | 11:29 |
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| MrFaber | I have another point. I have Vaio Laptop VGN-S5 which works fine under LInux except some little points. | 11:43 |
| MrFaber | My pc can't restart under Breezy | 11:43 |
| MrFaber | But it works with the 2.6.15 Kernels but somehow not with the latest Dapper FLight (3) | 11:44 |
| MrFaber | How can that be? | 11:44 |
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| dholbach | It's safer to take this to a mailing list or a bug report. | 11:48 |
| dholbach | Information on IRC usually gets lost. | 11:48 |
| dholbach | And the 'right people' to answer are not there either. | 11:49 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: my clock applet still seems happy after an upgrade. | 11:49 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: thanks for testing, then I can close that one, too | 11:49 |
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| MrFaber | thanks dholbach | 11:57 |
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| Lathiat | any installer people about? | 12:34 |
| Lathiat | is it a known bug that when downloadin gfiles in the flight cd3 installer, it always says "0s remaining" ? | 12:34 |
| Mithrandir | Lathiat: aptitude bug | 12:34 |
| Lathiat | ok | 12:35 |
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| Lathiat | Who's handling X bugs now? | 01:05 |
| Lathiat | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/28648 is a fairly serious regression that needs looking at | 01:05 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 28648 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Slow movement regression of synaptics touchpad on v0.14.3+seriouslythistime" [Normal,Confirmed] | 01:05 |
| Kamion | Lathiat: 0s remaining> known and reported, even | 01:06 |
| Lathiat | Kamion: cool, cheers | 01:07 |
| jsgotangco | i confirm this on my tosh M2 | 01:08 |
| fabbione | hmmm good to know | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | yet another one... | 01:09 |
| fabbione | Lathiat: X bugs -> ubuntu-x-swat | 01:09 |
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| Lathiat | ok to reassign it? | 01:09 |
| fabbione | Lathiat: if you want to reassign all X bugs to ubuntu-x-swat that would be nice | 01:09 |
| fabbione | it will spare me the time to do it | 01:09 |
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| thesaltydog | seb128, is there any further issue of Ubuntu Desktop News, following the one of Dec 15th? | 01:13 |
| fabbione | who is familiar with procmail? | 01:13 |
| seb128 | thesaltydog: vuntz is working on one | 01:13 |
| pitti | fabbione: I use it (not familiar with the code, though) | 01:13 |
| thesaltydog | seb128, ok. Thanks. | 01:14 |
| seb128 | np | 01:14 |
| fabbione | Lathiat: do you really mean that there are only 2 X bugs in malone? | 01:20 |
| fabbione | Lathiat: or are you going to reassign all of them? | 01:20 |
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| Simira | is mvo still sick? | 01:30 |
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| Mithrandir | Simira: I don't think so, he's sitting just here | 01:30 |
| mvo | Simira: no, I'm mostly well again | 01:31 |
| mvo | (not up to 100% yet, but feeling a lot better) | 01:31 |
| Simira | mvo: oh, there you are. My brain mentally censored your nick. | 01:31 |
| Simira | mvo: my update icon is gone on the latest update on Dapper on my laptop | 01:31 |
| mvo | Simira: it's not runing anymore at all? not availabe in gnome-system-monitor etc? | 01:32 |
| Simira | mvo: no, it's not running. I can do some more checking on it when I get home, just wanted to notice you. | 01:33 |
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| mvo | Simira: thanks, it would be interessting if it has left something in .xsession-errors | 01:34 |
| seb128 | maybe it's just hanging and eating CPU | 01:34 |
| seb128 | it likes to do that on my box | 01:34 |
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| Mithrandir | mmm, crunchy cpu. | 01:34 |
| HrdwrBoB | at least you don't have an aacraid card .. I have two and it looks like the driver is flaky | 01:35 |
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| koke | pitti: I'm not sure, but there may be some problems with postrgresql and the latest langpacks in breezy | 01:51 |
| pitti | koke: any details? | 01:52 |
| koke | pitti: ops, I think it's not the langpacks | 01:52 |
| pitti | well, langpacks have translations for postgresql | 01:52 |
| koke | but I'm getting the Error: Could not parse locale out of pg_controldata output | 01:52 |
| pitti | (or, should have) | 01:52 |
| koke | I was trying to 'clone' a server, so I've installed the same packages, copied /etc and /var/lib/postgresql | 01:53 |
| koke | the pg versions are the same | 01:53 |
| pitti | koke: do you have the locale available? | 01:53 |
| koke | the only difference I've found is the version of the langpacks | 01:53 |
| pitti | koke: i. e. the locale that the database has needs to be available on the server | 01:53 |
| koke | I've tried locale-gen if you meant that | 01:54 |
| pitti | koke: please open a bug (in Debian, preferably) and give me the output of sudo /usr/lib/postgresql/8.0/bin/pg_controldata /var/lib/postgresql/8.0/main/ | 01:55 |
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| pitti | koke: (or 7.4, or whatever version you use) | 01:55 |
| pitti | koke: bug against postgresql-common | 01:55 |
| pitti | koke: please also check that 'locale -a' shows the locale that postgresql wants | 01:56 |
| koke | LC_COLLATE: @ | 01:56 |
| koke | LC_CTYPE: | 01:56 |
| koke | :? | 01:57 |
| pitti | ouch | 01:57 |
| pitti | LC_COLLATE: de_DE.UTF-8 | 01:57 |
| pitti | LC_CTYPE: de_DE.UTF-8 | 01:57 |
| pitti | should look like this | 01:57 |
| koke | yep, I have es_ES.utf-8 in the original server | 01:57 |
| pitti | and in the new one? | 01:57 |
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| koke | nothing (pasted above) | 01:58 |
| koke | ouch! hint: copied from amd64 to x86 :) | 01:59 |
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| torkel | seb128: ping | 02:07 |
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| seb128 | torkel: pong | 02:18 |
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| torkel | seb128: should evolution really recommend mozilla-psm, now when it is built against firefox? | 02:19 |
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| seb128 | torkel: probably not | 02:21 |
| torkel | seb128: want me to file a bug? | 02:24 |
| seb128 | torkel: yes please | 02:27 |
| mantiena-baltix | mvo, hi, some time ago you told me, that you wanna know if my gdebi and gksu backports to breezy work | 02:48 |
| mantiena-baltix | mvo, so, they works fine (I've tested on more than 20 different computers in various situations), I've put them to ftp.akl.lt/Linux/Baltix/Baltix-Ubuntu_packages :) | 02:50 |
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| ritvik | has any one tried installing "VMWare Work Station" on Ubuntu? is it supported? | 03:11 |
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| Treenaks | ritvik: by canonical? no. | 03:11 |
| ritvik | Treenaks, okay. but does it work ? | 03:12 |
| zul | vmware workstation 4 with the modification yes...vmware 5 with the modification to the kernel headers yes.. | 03:14 |
| ritvik | zul, is there any howto available :-) | 03:15 |
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| luis_ | just use vmware-config.pl | 03:16 |
| zul | ritvik: check the wiki | 03:16 |
| luis_ | it'll say 'you need gcc', etc. | 03:16 |
| luis_ | it Just Works, assuming you're able to use apt-get ;) | 03:16 |
| ritvik | cool i'll try that thanks | 03:17 |
| luis_ | (surely if you're at vmware.com, you can ask your own engineering staff about this?) | 03:18 |
| ritvik | well new joinee :-).. lets see i'll try to figure out. just installed ubuntu on my machine going to install vmware workstation | 03:21 |
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| luis_ | I'm just saying | 03:32 |
| luis_ | you could, you know, also ask google :) | 03:32 |
| luis_ | http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+vmware+workstation+5 | 03:32 |
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| AlinuxOS | pitti, hello ... can you help me please... | 03:34 |
| AlinuxOS | I need help bro... | 03:35 |
| azeem | AlinuxOS: please ask in #ubuntu | 03:37 |
| AlinuxOS | azeem, it's devel question... | 03:37 |
| azeem | ah, ok then | 03:38 |
| azeem | I overlooked the "pitti" | 03:38 |
| AlinuxOS | azeem, no probs bro. | 03:39 |
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| mvo | mantiena-baltix: thanks! | 03:41 |
| pitti | AlinuxOS: hi, just returned from lunch | 03:41 |
| AlinuxOS | pitti, buon lunch :) | 03:41 |
| AlinuxOS | alles ok? | 03:41 |
| pitti | heh, I'm fine :) | 03:42 |
| pitti | lifeless: still here? | 03:43 |
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| Mithrandir | Keybuk: what's the reason for udevinfo not outputting information like the UUID of a file system? Missing /lib/udev/vol_id ? | 03:53 |
| Mithrandir | s/'s/ could be/ | 03:53 |
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| fabbione | DIE DIE DIE DIE YOU BASTARD | 03:54 |
| mdz | fabbione: suse 10.1 apparently ships with apache 2.2.0; maybe they have patches for the external modules? | 03:55 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: isn't daniels there to shout at? | 03:55 |
| fabbione | mdz: if they do, they didn't publish anything towards upstream | 03:56 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: not anymore | 03:56 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: hm.. because I want my xserver-xorg-driver-ati fixage! ;) | 03:57 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: do you have a patch for it? | 03:57 |
| HiddenWolf | I thought daniels stopped maintaining X? | 03:57 |
| fabbione | also.. is there a bug in malone? | 03:57 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: he said he had a fixed version, but I haven't seen an upload since he said that | 03:58 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: and yes | 03:58 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: let me find it for you | 03:58 |
| Treenaks | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+bug/20283 | 03:58 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[fgl v5000] really bad sync" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 03:58 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: i will try to look at it | 04:02 |
| fabbione | please reassing all the X bugs you have to ubuntu-x-swat | 04:02 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: OK | 04:03 |
| mdz | fabbione: you should set the team to be a bug contact on all of the relevant packages | 04:03 |
| mdz | fabbione: if you like, you can make a list of the packages and a launchpad developer can change them en masse | 04:04 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: (and done) | 04:04 |
| fabbione | mdz: ok i don't know how to do that yet. | 04:04 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: thanks | 04:05 |
| mdz | fabbione: go to the source package page, e.g. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg | 04:05 |
| Simira | mvo: any other info you needed about the update-thing? I can't find it here... (at home now) | 04:05 |
| fabbione | mdz: i can prepare a list, htat'si can | 04:05 |
| mdz | fabbione: click "bugmail settings" | 04:05 |
| fabbione | that's something i can | 04:05 |
| mdz | or make the list and send to me | 04:05 |
| fabbione | ok | 04:05 |
| mvo | Simira: if there is nothing interessting in ~/.xsession-errors, then I'm afraid not | 04:06 |
| Simira | mvo: does "** (gedit:6899): CRITICAL **: gedit_plugin_update_ui: assertion `GEDIT_IS_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed | 04:08 |
| Simira | help? | 04:08 |
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| sladen | Kamion: on the gfxboot menu, would it be better to swap the blue and white over for the central menu. White is much brighter and I think would make better sense for the 'highlighted' item. It would also match the F-key list at the bottom | 04:20 |
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| MisterN | hi | 04:30 |
| mdz | Treenaks: daniels is here now if you want to nag him via fabbione | 04:32 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: Can you ask daniels about the bug 20283 fix he made (and was going to send me)? | 04:32 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[fgl v5000] really bad sync" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/20283 | 04:32 |
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| fabbione | MEEEEHHHHHHH | 04:36 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: possibly | 04:36 |
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| jono | hi all | 04:40 |
| jono | does dapper include a Report Bug option on the Help menu in applications? | 04:40 |
| Treenaks | I think so | 04:42 |
| dholbach | No, we dont. | 04:42 |
| jono | is this planned? | 04:42 |
| seb128 | it has a "Get Online Help" item | 04:42 |
| seb128 | which is quite that | 04:42 |
| dholbach | it is support and translation at the moment | 04:42 |
| jono | ahhh thats ok | 04:43 |
| jono | I can click Get Online Help and then click bugs | 04:43 |
| jono | good work chaps :) | 04:43 |
| mdz | Kamion: could you update your copy of the published seeds so I can push ubuntu-meta? | 04:45 |
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| mdz | one of these days we will fix it to pull straight from bzr | 04:46 |
| Kamion | mdz: update done | 04:48 |
| Kamion | you may have fun with the "transparent" proxy here | 04:48 |
| Kamion | I've had issues with it being a little too opaque while doing bzr get | 04:49 |
| mdz | Kamion: I do builds on a remote box with a smarter proxy | 04:50 |
| Kamion | ah | 04:51 |
| Keybuk | jono! | 04:58 |
| jono | Keybuk, heya pal :) | 04:58 |
| jono | Keybuk, hows it going? you in london ? | 04:59 |
| Keybuk | yeah, at the distro sprint of death | 05:00 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 05:00 |
| jsgotangco | Kamion, i got to meet Hande at last :) | 05:01 |
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| jono | Keybuk, did you catch the horiffic affliction ? | 05:16 |
| Kamion | jsgotangco: cool | 05:17 |
| Kamion | jono: Keybuk is one of the few survivors | 05:17 |
| jono | Kamion, ugh, I assume you were hit by it | 05:18 |
| Keybuk | I survived :) | 05:19 |
| Kamion | jono: yeah | 05:20 |
| Kamion | TWICE | 05:20 |
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| Amaranth | someone should write this COBOL crap for me so i can work on alacarte ;) | 05:21 |
| Kamion | Amaranth: there's at least one nasty illness going around at the distro team sprint that's put about three-quarters of us out of action at one point or another this week | 05:21 |
| Amaranth | ick | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | and whiprush blames sladen | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | (Again) | 05:21 |
| jono | Kamion, you poor bugger - should I send up a basket of fruit ? | 05:21 |
| jono | :P | 05:21 |
| sladen | jsgotangco: and I haven't even turned up yet ... | 05:22 |
| Kamion | we have a surfeit of fruit here :) | 05:22 |
| jono | Kamion, :) | 05:22 |
| jono | right I am off | 05:22 |
| jono | later all | 05:22 |
| Amaranth | bye | 05:22 |
| fabbione | mdz: SUSE doesn't have all the modules we need for main. I didn't bother to check universe | 05:30 |
| fabbione | mdz: they only have a minimal subset for apache2.2 | 05:30 |
| fabbione | mdz: and that's not surprising | 05:31 |
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| mdz | fabbione: ah, I see. thanks for checking into it | 05:35 |
| fabbione | mdz: no problem | 05:35 |
| fabbione | mdz: do you have time now? | 05:36 |
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| jsgotangco | goodnight | 05:40 |
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| Keybuk | pitti: did n-m build for you again? | 06:08 |
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| Keybuk | ok, figured out why it doesn't build and how to make it build again | 06:22 |
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| doko | mdz, Kamion: please promote tix (source), tix-dev, tix to main, packages renamed from tix8.1 / tix8.1-dev. | 06:44 |
| Simira | have Mithrandir gone sick again? | 06:44 |
| mdz | Simira: no, he's standing about 4m away | 06:45 |
| Simira | mdz: oh, doing offline, rl-things? Shame on him! | 06:45 |
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| Treenaks | (people do offline things?! *world ends*) | 06:45 |
| Kamion | doko: looking | 06:46 |
| pef | hello | 06:46 |
| pitti | true, no tix8.1 in dapper any more | 06:46 |
| pitti | Kamion, doko: but isn't that only requried to build python2.3? | 06:47 |
| pitti | it propbably depends on how long python2.3 will stay in main | 06:47 |
| Kamion | I'll promote it for now so that python2.3 can build; it can always be demoted back later | 06:47 |
| Kamion | (done) | 06:48 |
| doko | thanks, yes, should be demoted together with python2.3 | 06:48 |
| Kamion | (the newest version of python2.3 has not built, presumably due to this) | 06:48 |
| pitti | Kamion: exactly | 06:50 |
| pitti | true, anastacia should remind us | 06:50 |
| ritvik | zul, wrt VMWare no need to modify the kernel headers just a simple "sudo ./vmware-install.pl" works just fine | 06:55 |
| Keybuk | BenC: when was #22220 fixed? It's not fixed in my installed kernel here | 06:55 |
| Keybuk | bug 22220 that is :p | 06:56 |
| Ubugtu | malone bug 22220 in grub "Ubuntu 5.10 Preview (Breezy Badger) Panics w/ I2O based raid" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/22220 | 06:56 |
| Keybuk | hmm, that description is wrong anyway | 06:56 |
| BenC | Keybuk: It's a dup, and I'm sure it was fixed (had a tester) | 06:56 |
| Keybuk | no it's not fixed | 06:56 |
| Keybuk | read my comments | 06:56 |
| BenC | the crash is fixed | 06:56 |
| Keybuk | yeah, but there's still a kernel bug there | 06:57 |
| BenC | let me read it again | 06:57 |
| Keybuk | there's nothing that specifies that i2o_block needs to be loaded | 06:57 |
| Keybuk | ie. no MODALIAS or module depend | 06:57 |
| Keybuk | (or, afaik, nothing even in sysfs to specify that the i2o device is a block device) | 06:57 |
| BenC | i2o_block and dpt_i2o provide similar functionality | 06:58 |
| BenC | one works on some hw, one works better on others | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | right, but the kernel can't just say "load whichever you want after magically deciding" | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | it still needs MODALIAS love | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't even say to load both | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | ie. | 06:59 |
| BenC | that's because they would both be loaded, and it would all depend on the order of load anyway | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | so? we use blacklists to solve that for other subsystems | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | i2o doesn't get to be different :) | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | it still needs driver-core'ing | 07:00 |
| BenC | but then you'd still have to unblacklist one to use the other :) | 07:00 |
| BenC | either way, it's going to require people to modify udev files | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | no | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | that's not what the bug is for | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | i2o is a subsystem that hasn't been driver-core'd | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | when an i2o device is inserted, an event is generated that contains *no* information about the device | 07:01 |
| Keybuk | and provides no link between the device and the available modules to support that device | 07:01 |
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| Keybuk | (ie. it contains no $MODALIAS) | 07:01 |
| Keybuk | that's why the bug is on the kernel | 07:01 |
| Keybuk | it's upstream, and something gregkh will probably fix when he gets round to it, but it's still a bug | 07:01 |
| BenC | dpt_i2o has a PCI device table | 07:01 |
| Keybuk | right, but i2o_block doesn't | 07:02 |
| Keybuk | (I'd assume it'd have an i2o device table) | 07:02 |
| BenC | and i2o_block is an i2o driver (don't think it's something that can be detected) | 07:02 |
| BenC | the only table for i2o is the PCI device table | 07:03 |
| Keybuk | right | 07:03 |
| Keybuk | that needs to be fixed then | 07:03 |
| Keybuk | having modules that have to be loaded after some magical insight are bad, m'kay | 07:03 |
| BenC | so i2o should get loaded, but things like i2o_block can't be auto loaded | 07:03 |
| Keybuk | "everything works if you load this module, but we're not going to hint or document that" => bad | 07:03 |
| BenC | but it's not a case of "it's possible, it just isn't done", it's just not possible | 07:04 |
| Keybuk | i2o_block can be autoloaded when an i2o block device is inserted | 07:04 |
| Keybuk | why isn't it possible? | 07:04 |
| Keybuk | does the i2o bus protocol not provide any information about connected devices? | 07:04 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: I've heard claims that I2O is very braindead in that area | 07:05 |
| Keybuk | Treenaks: that's ISA braindead though | 07:06 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: You've seen the ISAPNP device number mess | 07:06 |
| Treenaks | with multiple devices claiming the same number, etc. | 07:06 |
| Keybuk | Treenaks: even an ISAPNP mess would be sufficient to know whether or not to load the right module | 07:07 |
| Keybuk | but going "oh you didn't load this secret module" is not a solution :) | 07:07 |
| Treenaks | Keybuk: good point | 07:07 |
| Keybuk | otherwise how do we know which of i2o_block, i2o_proc and i2o_scsi we need to load for the device inserted? | 07:08 |
| Keybuk | the bus must know for those to work and bind to the right device :) | 07:08 |
| BenC | seems that i2o has a class table, defined by i2o specs | 07:08 |
| BenC | well the drivers could bind using some magically detection that the bus was dumb about :) | 07:09 |
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| BenC | but in this case, it seems that there is a class of devices | 07:09 |
| BenC | and each i2o class driver has an i2o struct class definition for probe callbacks | 07:10 |
| BenC | so it is possible | 07:10 |
| BenC | so the call to udev/hotplug doesn't pass any information? | 07:11 |
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| Keybuk | right | 07:12 |
| Keybuk | btw, if you can mail those general pointers to linux-hotplug-devel@lists.sourceforge.net with a subject of "i2o needs MODALIAS love" or similar, that'd be great | 07:12 |
| BenC | I guess it should atleast supply the class code | 07:12 |
| Keybuk | then gregkh can jump on it | 07:12 |
| Keybuk | BenC: yeah, even if it just supplies MODALIAS=i2o:c01 that's enough | 07:13 |
| BenC | be better if I just do a patch, and send it | 07:13 |
| Keybuk | fair enough :) | 07:13 |
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| Keybuk | make sure you cover both setting MODALIAS in the bus, and ensuring modules themselves generate alias lines covering them | 07:15 |
| ogra | BenC, do you have any experience with the sermouse module or can you point me to a documentation about it #? | 07:15 |
| BenC | ogra: none really, no idea about docs either | 07:16 |
| ogra | oki, thanks | 07:16 |
| Keybuk | BenC: and if you could do mmc too while you're in that kind of mood <g> | 07:16 |
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| BenC | module-init-tools will need to know about this too | 07:21 |
| zul | hmm...someone mention my name? | 07:26 |
| zul | never mid | 07:27 |
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| Mithrandir | Keybuk: you gotten around to uploading a new udev? | 07:50 |
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| Keybuk | Mithrandir: to fix which? | 08:04 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: add the 65_persistent_links and vol_id to udev-udeb | 08:05 |
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| Keybuk | Mithrandir: not even done that locally yet | 08:15 |
| Keybuk | insufficient lap-dance-age | 08:15 |
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| Treenaks | ... Mithrandir.. lap-dancing.. for Keybuk? | 08:16 |
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| Keybuk | Treenaks: he put "kthxbye" on the end of the note | 08:20 |
| Keybuk | he needs to make it up to me | 08:20 |
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| BenC | Keybuk: mmc might not be possible | 08:28 |
| BenC | Keybuk: there is only redimentary detection aside from the few modules that load for PCI devices | 08:28 |
| BenC | the rest is all dependent on odd host drivers that have some really odd detection schemes | 08:29 |
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| BenC | the best way to approach that might be that if mmc_core gets loaded, mmc_block should be loaded too | 08:30 |
| BenC | I can't see mmc_core being useful without mmc_block anyway | 08:30 |
| BenC | there are 5 mmc host drivers, maybe add "if this driver gets loaded, load the mmc_block aswell" | 08:31 |
| HiddenWolf | BenC, sorry to bug you, but kernel-daily still isn't updated (last I checked) | 08:32 |
| BenC | HiddenWolf: working on automating that, but trying to get 2.6.15-15 out right now | 08:32 |
| HiddenWolf | BenC, cool, don't mind me. | 08:33 |
| BenC | Keybuk: actually, there's only three mmc host controllers we are concerned about and two of them already have device tables | 08:34 |
| BenC | I think I'll just make mmc_core and mmc_block as one module | 08:34 |
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| Keybuk | Who's feeling like dinner? | 09:00 |
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| mdz | Keybuk: I don't know how dinner feels | 09:01 |
| mdz | I feel like a drink | 09:01 |
| Kamion | "ask a glass of water" | 09:01 |
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| OpsVentus | hello all, I'm trying to diside on which GUI toolkit to use, I like Qt but it doesn't look very good on Gnome | 10:30 |
| OpsVentus | GTK should look good on Gnome, but then don't look good on KDE | 10:30 |
| OpsVentus | is there a toolkit for all desktops? | 10:31 |
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| Tm_T | I don't get it | 10:33 |
| Tm_T | "Qt look good in KDE but not in Gnome" I thought it look the same in both | 10:33 |
| Tm_T | and vice verse | 10:33 |
| OpsVentus | well, I haven't tryed KDE for myself but, Qt is more for KDE and doesn't look very good on gnome | 10:34 |
| OpsVentus | if it looks the same on KDE then it looks terrible | 10:34 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 10:39 |
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| Riddell | Tm_T: qt without any kde themes does look terrible | 11:02 |
| Riddell | gtk with only the build in theme likewise | 11:02 |
| Tm_T | hum, never seen qt nor gtk without theme | 11:03 |
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| ogra | Riddell, nah ... gtk with the built in theme looks still usable ... (especially it has a sane default for fonts) QT makes me scream unthemed | 11:08 |
| Riddell | ok, maybe gtk just looks ugly whatever the theme :) | 11:09 |
| ogra | :P | 11:09 |
| Tm_T | haha | 11:10 |
| OpsVentus | so themes is the solution here | 11:10 |
| === Tm_T likes tiblit with Qt: not that shiny, much to configure | ||
| ogra | Riddell, lets rather join Keybuk and Mithrandir and have a beer instead of having stupid arguments ;) | 11:11 |
| Tm_T | ogra: yeah, but beer doesn't enlarge your vpenis | 11:12 |
| === ogra waves and goes over to the bar | ||
| ogra | Tm_T, i'm at a distro sprint ... large penisses rather hinder you here ;) | 11:13 |
| Tm_T | haha | 11:13 |
| ogra | night channel | 11:13 |
| Tm_T | gnight | 11:14 |
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| OpsVentus | night | 11:14 |
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| MisterN | n8 | 11:38 |
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