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Is it planned to include them in repositories? [02:50] no [02:50] they are bad [02:50] so users will have to compile from source I presume? [02:50] ugly means the license is ugly === joel_ [i=joel@201.37.99.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] bad means its broken in some way [02:51] ah I see [02:51] about 1 out of 5 testing video files I carry can be played back, so I was wondering if that was the cause === joel_ is now known as storm_ [02:51] mm we still dont have good support for new wmv and mov stuff [02:52] in gstreamer [02:52] tseng: out of curiosity, is there a page listing what formats work and what not? [02:54] hm there was one a long long time ago [02:54] is totem supposed to play dvd's? [02:54] I can't seem to get it to cooperate, even after installing libdvdcss2 [02:54] BenC: with totem-xine and libdvdcss2 [02:54] gstreamer will not [02:55] hey tseng [02:55] I mean I "could" use and recommend using totem-xine for dapper drake final, but it would be kind of a shame... [02:55] hi jsgotangco [02:55] nekohayo: your google is as good as mine [02:55] dude sabdfl looks like a rep from redhat :/ [02:55] jsgotangco: wheres this [02:55] tseng: thanks [02:56] tseng: he's in Manila at the moment...in front of me...speaking to some companies... [02:56] jsgotangco: hm oh [02:57] "Totem was not able to play the DVD" "No reason" [02:57] correct, yet non-informative [02:57] I blame seb [02:59] tseng: any additional items besides libxine-extracodecs I need to install? [02:59] BenC: oh yeah [02:59] BenC: someone neutered xine [02:59] im not sure :/ [03:00] previously libxine1 was the whole shebang [03:00] tseng: possibly slomo_ [03:01] umm... why are we shipping totem-gstreamer and not totem-xine by default? [03:02] umm.. because gstreamer is not patent encumbered and totally modular by design [03:02] xine had to be hacked to pieces to achieve similar [03:03] also the rest of gnome uses gstreamer [03:03] yeah === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487F21C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] any chance of there being a gstream0.10-dvd anytime soon? [03:10] BenC: If someone ports the 0.8 one :) [03:10] .10 isn't really suitable to release without dvd support, imo. =/ === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] well, atleast the latest rhythmbox plays itunes shares again === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- [n=nozamosi@h37n2c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@HSE-Toronto-ppp305703.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- is now known as ozamosi === earobinson [n=earobins@HSE-Toronto-ppp305703.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@222.50.182.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked [n=ispiked@unaffiliated/ispiked] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked_ [n=ispiked@Lee-06-78.rh.ncsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked_ is now known as ispiked === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-128-5.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira_ [n=simira@194.24.252.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson [n=earobins@HSE-Toronto-ppp305703.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === earobinson is away: I'm currently away, please leave a message === earobinson is now known as earobinson-away === earobinson-away is now known as earobinson === earobinson is back (gone 00:00:12) === earobinson [n=earobins@HSE-Toronto-ppp305703.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] gnibbles in the current gnome-games packages is fscked (just try to play a game) === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-128-5.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] anyone happen to know why a lot of stuff in dapper still depends on xlibs which hasn't been in the archive for a long time now? [06:31] xlibs - X Window System client library transitional package [06:31] humm [06:31] in dapper [06:31] shows as local on my system and has for at least several weeks [06:31] *** Opt libs xlibs 6.8.2-77 [06:32] humm [06:33] i'm using archive.ubuntu.com, so its either not there or that server is broken and has been for a while now [06:33] supposedly you can remove xlibs according to the desc after upgrading to breezy [06:34] but if i try to remove it a lot of stuff becomes uninstallable [06:34] well not a lot about 5 things [06:34] lsb-graphics, python2.4-opengl, lsb, python-opengl [06:35] Candidate: 6.8.2-77 [06:35] thats just what is already on my system [06:35] apt-cache showpkg xlibs shows lots of dependencies [06:35] aye [06:35] should be fixed [06:36] file a bug? [06:37] i don't remember my password, and i am about to go to bed, just was wondering if anyone else noticed it yet [06:37] i'll file a bug when i get home tomorrow if its not already there === calc dislikes the login req for filing bugs :\ [06:38] but i also dislike the amount of spam email i get from debian bts since its public too ;) === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] haha [07:03] opal_2.1.2-0ubuntu3 needs the wonderful "use gcc-3.4 on hppa/mips/mipsel" love, or whichever the other 2 architectures were. === mpt [n=mpt@222-154-183-83.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ba [n=bxa@206-163-251-248.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] word up! are there less noobs in here then in #ubuntu, i sure hope so [07:13] err? === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-61-109.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:13] ba: what exactly you're trying to say? === timfrost [n=tim@219-89-107-205.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:13] Tm_T: im just saying people in #ubuntu drive me up the wall. [07:14] support channel, what you expect [07:14] ba: and #ubuntu-devel is for discussing ongoing development... completely different charter/scope [07:14] aye === timfrost [n=tim@219-89-107-205.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:14] mmmm maybe i should start using the devel then [07:15] ba: what code are you working on, then? === Tm_T needs sponsor and timemachine so he can do all artwork he's going to do [07:15] ba: this isn't the channel for getting help with the current devel snapshot... it's for discussing your proposed fix to whatever problem you have hit... [07:16] non currently. im just getting back into linux after not being so active for awhile [07:16] cool [07:16] just crossed over from mandriva about 6 months ago [07:16] stop swearing [07:17] http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/files/6/9/4/1/4/likesleepingonacloudubuntu_original.png [07:17] :D i got this in my mail today === lamont wanders off to consider creating a w-b instance for his home-local packages === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.187.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-113-130.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] whats the package you can get for using windows drivers for windows hardware in ubuntu === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:45] like wifi stuff? [07:47] ba: This isn't a support channel [07:47] ba: wiki.ubuntu.com [07:48] ya i found it [07:48] http://www.zerohex.org/2005/11/27/wifi-on-ubuntu-510-the-breezy-badger/ [07:49] ba: please continue in #ubuntu, this channel is for development === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-145-201.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ba is now known as Bxa === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Bxa is now known as ba === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-145-132.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Den [n=Den@north-mesh-wlan-11.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === triceratops [n=tricerat@dyndsl-085-016-021-099.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:12] what is needed to recommend / wish a new program for dapper+1? Register a new product in launchpad? [08:17] triceratops: either add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates or file a ticket in launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@gandalf.pemas.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.98.24.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=glatzor@ppp-82-135-14-176.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] [08:26] [Z [08:26] siretart: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+tickets ? I thought it is for 'alert the Ubuntu support community'.. === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=garbage@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === triceratops [n=tricerat@dyndsl-085-016-021-099.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === pappan [n=pappan@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt__ [n=mpt@222-154-154-116.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [n=ctd@moan.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-14-176.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira_ is now known as Simira [08:59] hi Simira [09:00] mrn [09:00] *yawns* [09:01] everyone in London ok today? === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-1-26.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:01] what happened in london today ? [09:02] Simira, they're not here [09:03] mdke: what do you mean? [09:03] they're not awake yet? [09:03] they're not in the channel [09:03] right === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=pappan@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool [09:16] Simira: I heared many folks got ill [09:17] Something about a death plague? [09:18] yes, Mithrandir at least was better last night. It's a maximum two-days thing, I think. [09:20] They _have_ been handling a dapper drake [09:20] Treenaks: so? [09:20] sivang: handling poultry can give you scary diseases in some countries today [09:22] Treenaks: after loooking in dict, "hehe" :) [09:22] so, google are developing a goobuntu according to RegDeveloper :) === sivang sometimes doesn't know whom to belive anymore [09:23] all thos sites, each one saying something else :) [09:23] sivang: The Reg is blowing it out of proportion [09:23] sivang: What I've heard is that some Google people run Ubuntu + modifications on their workstations, and call THAT goobuntu [09:24] Treenaks: that were my previous rumors, so that's ok :) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pappan [n=ppadman@bgepxyout-02.asiapac.hp.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionelp [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.39.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] fabbione :) How are you? [09:40] Treenaks: there is no such thing as bad publicity. [09:40] morning [09:40] hey Simira [09:41] Simira: not too bad [09:41] fabbione: now you guys take it easy today! Don't get back to being sick! [09:41] Simira: i wasn't really sick like the others [09:41] i didn't get fever [09:42] .. yet === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@84.5.64.10] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] fabbione is a pilot, he can't get sick :) [09:47] good morning [09:48] Hi all === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] my colleague is not human, and even he gets sick :p [09:52] spacey: what is he then? [09:52] i will leave that to your imagination :) [09:53] spacey: he's your pet tentacle monster. === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] :p [09:59] enrico :) [09:59] Simira: hi! === mdz [n=mdz@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] hey enrico ! [10:05] sivang: :) === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.98.238.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-85-209.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmon [n=monnahan@22.Red-81-33-182.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-44-215.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@d093007.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === JaneW [n=JaneW@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=null@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail is now known as slomo [10:44] ajmitch: yes, it was me ;) [10:44] slomo: good to know who to blame :) [10:47] hi slomo ajmitch [10:47] hi seb128 :) you pinged me yesterday? [10:47] yeah, it was about avahi stuff but we figured [10:47] seems you need to restart avahi-daemon after setting your internet to get it working :/ [10:47] hello seb128 [10:48] 'setting your internet' ? [10:48] so if you use nm avahi just doesn't work [10:48] unlikely [10:48] hrm, avahi works fine in combination with n-m here, i have howeer seen bugs in the past [10:48] ajmitch: it's true for me [10:48] and one from a guy not so long ago === ajmitch saw a live demo of nm & avahi together at LCA :) [10:48] Lathiat: that was a random guess, I need to avahi-daemon to get it working [10:48] seb128: can you avahi-daemon -k and then avahi-daemon --debug and get NM to go and send me the output [10:48] and that's the same for dholbach and mdz [10:48] Treenaks: I even got to meet an avahi author [10:49] or whoever has that problem [10:49] ok, will do, thank you [10:49] ->lathiat@bur.st [10:49] cheers [10:49] ajmitch: You meeting an avahi author doesn't make it less likely that the combination of network-manager + avahi works for me, because they don't :) [10:49] Treenaks: haha, yeah [10:49] I haven't started using NM yet [10:49] not until I know it works nicely with WPA [10:49] software is always more reliable if you know the author :p === Lathiat grins [10:50] spacey: oh THAT's why your code is so broken :P [10:50] come on, my code does not even run [10:51] seb128: how does avahi fail? do services just not show up? [10:52] avahi-discover/browse were not listing the machines until avahi-daemon is restarted [10:52] i know we've definately got a bug somewhere because i hit it randomly [10:53] but nothign reliably reproducable yet [10:53] just sometimes it stops picking things on an interface up [10:56] tseng: wow [10:56] tseng: I didn't know this [10:57] tseng: funny. At least distrowatch knew at the time that seb128 sucks quite a bit [10:57] jordi: what? [10:57] heh === app [n=Anssi@host-77-34.teleware.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] argh! "Bugs I'm Subscribed To" includes all the debzilla bugs that have been closed in Ubuntu === Keybuk mass-unsubscribes [10:58] This is a wrong place to ask, but do you know any IRC channels for Windows developers? === Lathiat laughs [10:59] app: try google [11:01] I tried. Google is not the best way to find which IRC channels exist, and are worth using. [11:02] Lathiat / sivang : ping - Dapper Sataus meeting in ubunut-meeting if you'd like to join us... [11:03] heh, "ubunut" [11:03] argh === ajmitch wonders if it's worth talking about his single dapper goal in the meeting :) [11:05] seb128: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20040920 ; search Jordi [11:05] note the date of the article === seb128 slaps jordi [11:07] lala [11:07] jordi: you were replying to some comment about a new article or something? [11:08] ajmitch: don't see why not, if there's been interesting progress === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.120.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] seb128: yeah, last night tseng mentioned it [11:08] jordi: URL? [11:08] I didn't know that article [11:08] dude I just posted you a link [11:09] 11:05 < jordi> seb128: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20040920 ; search Jordi [11:09] oh, ok [11:09] I though there was a new one after that one [11:09] you "creme-de-la-creme", what a joke :) [11:09] no this was on IRC [11:09] seb128: shuddup [11:10] jordi: BTW what did you run previous time for evolution intltool issue [11:10] a localize-update or something [11:10] I've it on my IRC logs at home but dholbach has the same issue now [11:10] intltoolise [11:10] thanks [11:10] rocknroll === dholbach tries [11:10] they are using a broken one === jordi watches seb128 and dholbach resort to the creme-de-la-creme [11:11] bah === jordi goes away singing. [11:11] when do you fix gnome-python? [11:11] you slacker! === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MrFaber [n=MrFaber@dslb-084-056-245-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] hi all [11:25] Is it possible to support MIcrosft Natural Ergonmic Keyboard 4000 in Dapper? [11:25] A patch seems to be posted in a kernel mailing list [11:26] http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2006/Jan/0896.html [11:26] kernel... what's in that keyboard that it need kernel patch? [11:26] many keys who are unknown [11:26] And btw it doesn't work if it is plugged in on start at least in Breezy [11:26] I have to unplug and plug it again [11:27] MrFaber: Should be - I'm not sure why it wouldn't be happy with the standard driver, though [11:27] I am not sure but this problem doesn't happens with Dapper Live-CD [11:27] (Which ought to handle extra keys) [11:27] but I am going to test it [11:27] mjg59: Homepage, Searching, E-Mail, AUdio and calculator keys work [11:27] all others not [11:27] and back and forward :) [11:28] I found some bug recently where there's a 128-entry table which gets indexed by the kernel from another table. The other table starts with some values >=128. [11:28] dmesg doesn't show any unknown key output and xev doesn't react with the other keys [11:29] You can't _add_ values >=128 but the defaults are demonically nasal. === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-61-109.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] I have another point. I have Vaio Laptop VGN-S5 which works fine under LInux except some little points. [11:43] My pc can't restart under Breezy [11:44] But it works with the 2.6.15 Kernels but somehow not with the latest Dapper FLight (3) [11:44] How can that be? === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] It's safer to take this to a mailing list or a bug report. [11:48] Information on IRC usually gets lost. [11:49] And the 'right people' to answer are not there either. [11:49] pitti: my clock applet still seems happy after an upgrade. [11:49] Mithrandir: thanks for testing, then I can close that one, too === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] thanks dholbach === ctd_ [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === delire [n=delire@p54BCD50E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Keybuk] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 3 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | No uploads on Friday (Soyuz Rollout) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [n=ctd@moan.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] any installer people about? [12:34] is it a known bug that when downloadin gfiles in the flight cd3 installer, it always says "0s remaining" ? [12:34] Lathiat: aptitude bug [12:35] ok === seb128 [n=seb@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-61-109.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzodtmp [n=lordan@63.218.103.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] Who's handling X bugs now? [01:05] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/28648 is a fairly serious regression that needs looking at [01:05] malone bug 28648 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Slow movement regression of synaptics touchpad on v0.14.3+seriouslythistime" [Normal,Confirmed] [01:06] Lathiat: 0s remaining> known and reported, even [01:07] Kamion: cool, cheers [01:08] i confirm this on my tosh M2 [01:09] hmmm good to know [01:09] yet another one... [01:09] Lathiat: X bugs -> ubuntu-x-swat === martink [n=martin@p54B39E81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] ok to reassign it? [01:09] Lathiat: if you want to reassign all X bugs to ubuntu-x-swat that would be nice [01:09] it will spare me the time to do it === thesaltydog [n=fabio@host242-169.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] seb128, is there any further issue of Ubuntu Desktop News, following the one of Dec 15th? [01:13] who is familiar with procmail? [01:13] thesaltydog: vuntz is working on one [01:13] fabbione: I use it (not familiar with the code, though) [01:14] seb128, ok. Thanks. [01:14] np [01:20] Lathiat: do you really mean that there are only 2 X bugs in malone? [01:20] Lathiat: or are you going to reassign all of them? === Lathiat laughs [01:30] is mvo still sick? === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] Simira: I don't think so, he's sitting just here [01:31] Simira: no, I'm mostly well again [01:31] (not up to 100% yet, but feeling a lot better) [01:31] mvo: oh, there you are. My brain mentally censored your nick. [01:31] mvo: my update icon is gone on the latest update on Dapper on my laptop [01:32] Simira: it's not runing anymore at all? not availabe in gnome-system-monitor etc? [01:33] mvo: no, it's not running. I can do some more checking on it when I get home, just wanted to notice you. === j^_ is now known as j^ [01:34] Simira: thanks, it would be interessting if it has left something in .xsession-errors [01:34] maybe it's just hanging and eating CPU [01:34] it likes to do that on my box === mvo kicks seb128 [01:34] mmm, crunchy cpu. [01:35] at least you don't have an aacraid card .. I have two and it looks like the driver is flaky === zace_ [n=marc@i577B45E8.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-44-126.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jozo [i=jozo@nelli.ikonia.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=null@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] pitti: I'm not sure, but there may be some problems with postrgresql and the latest langpacks in breezy [01:52] koke: any details? [01:52] pitti: ops, I think it's not the langpacks [01:52] well, langpacks have translations for postgresql [01:52] but I'm getting the Error: Could not parse locale out of pg_controldata output [01:52] (or, should have) [01:53] I was trying to 'clone' a server, so I've installed the same packages, copied /etc and /var/lib/postgresql [01:53] the pg versions are the same [01:53] koke: do you have the locale available? [01:53] the only difference I've found is the version of the langpacks [01:53] koke: i. e. the locale that the database has needs to be available on the server [01:54] I've tried locale-gen if you meant that [01:55] koke: please open a bug (in Debian, preferably) and give me the output of sudo /usr/lib/postgresql/8.0/bin/pg_controldata /var/lib/postgresql/8.0/main/ === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] koke: (or 7.4, or whatever version you use) [01:55] koke: bug against postgresql-common [01:56] koke: please also check that 'locale -a' shows the locale that postgresql wants [01:56] LC_COLLATE: @ [01:56] LC_CTYPE: [01:57] :? [01:57] ouch [01:57] LC_COLLATE: de_DE.UTF-8 [01:57] LC_CTYPE: de_DE.UTF-8 [01:57] should look like this [01:57] yep, I have es_ES.utf-8 in the original server [01:57] and in the new one? === kent [n=kent@83.233.144.89] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] nothing (pasted above) [01:59] ouch! hint: copied from amd64 to x86 :) === susus [n=sz@p5089F586.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] seb128: ping === spacey [n=spacey@a82-93-13-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco stops his me too comments on LP === Keybuk [n=scott@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Keybuk] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 3 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | No uploads on Friday 1800-2359UTC (Soyuz Rollout) === AlinuxOS [n=Ubuntu@d83-184-253-147.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] torkel: pong === mdz [n=mdz@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] seb128: should evolution really recommend mozilla-psm, now when it is built against firefox? === zace_ is now known as zace [02:21] torkel: probably not [02:24] seb128: want me to file a bug? [02:27] torkel: yes please [02:48] mvo, hi, some time ago you told me, that you wanna know if my gdebi and gksu backports to breezy work [02:50] mvo, so, they works fine (I've tested on more than 20 different computers in various situations), I've put them to ftp.akl.lt/Linux/Baltix/Baltix-Ubuntu_packages :) === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178052145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ritvik [n=ritvik@mailout1.vmware.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] has any one tried installing "VMWare Work Station" on Ubuntu? is it supported? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] ritvik: by canonical? no. [03:12] Treenaks, okay. but does it work ? [03:14] vmware workstation 4 with the modification yes...vmware 5 with the modification to the kernel headers yes.. [03:15] zul, is there any howto available :-) === fabbione [n=fabbione@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] just use vmware-config.pl [03:16] ritvik: check the wiki [03:16] it'll say 'you need gcc', etc. [03:16] it Just Works, assuming you're able to use apt-get ;) [03:17] cool i'll try that thanks [03:18] (surely if you're at vmware.com, you can ask your own engineering staff about this?) [03:21] well new joinee :-).. lets see i'll try to figure out. just installed ubuntu on my machine going to install vmware workstation === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lordantmp [n=lordan@63.218.103.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.39.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] I'm just saying [03:32] you could, you know, also ask google :) [03:32] http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+vmware+workstation+5 === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-14-176.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-184-253-147.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] pitti, hello ... can you help me please... [03:35] I need help bro... [03:37] AlinuxOS: please ask in #ubuntu [03:37] azeem, it's devel question... [03:38] ah, ok then [03:38] I overlooked the "pitti" [03:39] azeem, no probs bro. === mdz [n=mdz@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] mantiena-baltix: thanks! [03:41] AlinuxOS: hi, just returned from lunch [03:41] pitti, buon lunch :) [03:41] alles ok? [03:42] heh, I'm fine :) [03:43] lifeless: still here? === fabbione [n=fabbione@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=hc_brugm@212-127-236-81.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] Keybuk: what's the reason for udevinfo not outputting information like the UUID of a file system? Missing /lib/udev/vol_id ? [03:53] s/'s/ could be/ === fabbione starts to yell at X again [03:54] DIE DIE DIE DIE YOU BASTARD [03:55] fabbione: suse 10.1 apparently ships with apache 2.2.0; maybe they have patches for the external modules? [03:55] fabbione: isn't daniels there to shout at? [03:56] mdz: if they do, they didn't publish anything towards upstream [03:56] Treenaks: not anymore [03:57] fabbione: hm.. because I want my xserver-xorg-driver-ati fixage! ;) [03:57] Treenaks: do you have a patch for it? [03:57] I thought daniels stopped maintaining X? [03:57] also.. is there a bug in malone? [03:58] fabbione: he said he had a fixed version, but I haven't seen an upload since he said that [03:58] fabbione: and yes [03:58] fabbione: let me find it for you [03:58] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+bug/20283 [03:58] malone bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[fgl v5000] really bad sync" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [04:02] Treenaks: i will try to look at it [04:02] please reassing all the X bugs you have to ubuntu-x-swat [04:03] fabbione: OK [04:03] fabbione: you should set the team to be a bug contact on all of the relevant packages [04:04] fabbione: if you like, you can make a list of the packages and a launchpad developer can change them en masse [04:04] fabbione: (and done) [04:04] mdz: ok i don't know how to do that yet. [04:05] Treenaks: thanks [04:05] fabbione: go to the source package page, e.g. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg [04:05] mvo: any other info you needed about the update-thing? I can't find it here... (at home now) [04:05] mdz: i can prepare a list, htat'si can [04:05] fabbione: click "bugmail settings" [04:05] that's something i can [04:05] or make the list and send to me [04:05] ok [04:06] Simira: if there is nothing interessting in ~/.xsession-errors, then I'm afraid not [04:08] mvo: does "** (gedit:6899): CRITICAL **: gedit_plugin_update_ui: assertion `GEDIT_IS_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed [04:08] help? === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LinuxJones [i=LinuxJon@blk-89-203-16.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] Kamion: on the gfxboot menu, would it be better to swap the blue and white over for the central menu. White is much brighter and I think would make better sense for the 'highlighted' item. It would also match the F-key list at the bottom === MisterN [n=MisterN_@p549CE3D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:30] hi [04:32] Treenaks: daniels is here now if you want to nag him via fabbione [04:32] fabbione: Can you ask daniels about the bug 20283 fix he made (and was going to send me)? [04:32] malone bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[fgl v5000] really bad sync" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/20283 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] MEEEEHHHHHHH [04:36] Treenaks: possibly === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@mail.openadvantage.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] hi all [04:40] does dapper include a Report Bug option on the Help menu in applications? [04:42] I think so [04:42] No, we dont. [04:42] is this planned? [04:42] it has a "Get Online Help" item [04:42] which is quite that [04:42] it is support and translation at the moment [04:43] ahhh thats ok [04:43] I can click Get Online Help and then click bugs [04:43] good work chaps :) [04:45]