[12:05] <lifeless> sqsuid
[12:59] <donsmith> Hello?
[01:00] <donsmith> Is anyone here who works on the mono pkgs?
[01:11] <LaserJock> have you guys seen elmo on irc lately?
[01:34] <ajmitch> donsmith: yes?
[01:52] <donsmith> ajmitch: so I have a ppc laptop with dapper
[01:52] <donsmith> the thing is mono won't install because the classlib is out of date
[01:54] <ajmitch> because things haven't been building properly on ppc, afaik
[02:58] <crimsun> ajmitch: were you able to attend the Van Jacobson networking talk at LCA?
[02:59] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes, and I'm very glad that I did
[02:59] <crimsun> ajmitch: awesome. I just finished reading Jon Corbet's article of it on lwn.net
[02:59] <ajmitch> I need to get that paid account on there
[02:59] <crimsun> DDs have an acct iirc
[02:59] <ajmitch> yes, but we have to request it
[03:00] <ajmitch> I see there have been some commits in the driver I use
[03:01] <ajmitch> last time I tried it didn't seem to make a difference
[03:03] <crimsun> which codec does yours use, alc260? alc880?
[03:03] <ajmitch> 260
[03:03] <ajmitch> git clone is taking awhile from benc's tree
[03:06] <crimsun> hmph
[03:06] <crimsun> I wonder if this is the relevant one: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/alsa/alsa-kernel/pci/hda/patch_realtek.c?r1=1.43&r2=1.44
[03:06] <ajmitch> I looked at that
[03:07] <ajmitch> iirc I grabbed that single file & rebuilt alsa with it during a talk last week :)
[03:08] <ajmitch> yeah, that's the source I'm currently using
[03:10] <ajmitch> my syslog is really getting filled up with crap now
[03:11] <ajmitch> so many selinux messages to get fixed up :)
[03:24] <ajmitch> acer's website is about as evil as their hardware
[03:40] <Kyral> Guys...is it alright to change a .dpatch to close a bug?
[03:43] <Kyral> Malone 29965
[03:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29965 in synaptic "Synaptic launcher is asking me for root password" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29965
[03:44] <crimsun> I would disable the original dpatch, copy it, and enable the new one
[03:44] <crimsun> then send a diff between the disabled and the fixed
[03:44] <crimsun> then delete the disabled one
[03:44] <Kyral> okay...
[03:44] <crimsun> in other words, send a diff between the broken and the working dpatch
[03:45] <Kyral> yah
[04:09] <minghua> Hi, can any MOTU look at bug 29724?
[04:09] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29724 in xfonts-mona "xfonts-mona installs font to wrong directory" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29724
[04:09] <minghua> I've tested the debdiff and it works.  Any MOTU can upload it?
[04:34] <whiprush> hi ajmitch, crimsun, others ...
[04:35] <whiprush> dang, looked like I missed the VJ talk discusssion.
[09:38] <pappan> starting a packaging process seems long :(
[09:44] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[09:47] <dholbach> good morning
[09:49] <Gloubiboulga> morning dholbach
[09:49] <ajmitch> mmm, beer
[09:49] <ajmitch> hi
[09:54] <lifeless> ajmitch: hiya
[09:54] <lifeless> I want opensync in universe ... what should I do ?
[09:54] <dholbach> lifeless: i want it too - for weeks :-p
[09:54] <lifeless> dholbach: its in sid now ;)
[09:54] <dholbach> lifeless: tell elmo to do a sync from Debian.
[09:54] <ajmitch> dholbach: it's in sid
[10:09] <torkel> lifeless: have debian packaged multisync 0.9 yet? or is it only the framework that is packaged?
[11:11] <zakame> hi all
[11:12] <Gloubiboulga> heya zakame
[11:12] <zakame> hello Gloubiboulga
[11:59] <zakame> not much activity today, or is it just me?
[11:59] <ajmitch> fairly quiet
[12:00] <jsgotangco> heh sabdfl fanboi
[12:00] <zakame> heh
[12:00] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: eh?
[12:00] <ajmitch> was zakame doing the fanboi routine with sabdfl?
[12:00] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, zakame asked for sabdfls autograph!
[12:00] <zakame> yes
[12:00] <ajmitch> oh dear
[12:00] <zakame> lol
[12:00] <ajmitch> not even I did that
[12:01] <jsgotangco> and sabdfl was in a black suit and gold tie...
[12:01] <ajmitch> sabdfl was little more casual when I saw him last week
[12:01] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, actually a lot of the local ubuntu-ph people did aske for an authograph
[12:01] <ajmitch> I don't think I could bring myself to do that :)
[12:02] <jsgotangco> me too
[12:02] <zakame> heh I got carried away when ealden asked for one :P
[12:02] <ajmitch> though I've met him a few times now
[12:03] <Lathiat> mark was pretty casual at lca in general
[12:03] <jsgotangco> we had a good chat today
[12:03] <Lathiat> lca is a pretty casual event :)
[12:03] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah, it's good like that
[12:03] <jsgotangco> too bad he was rushing to tokyo
[12:03] <Lathiat> indeed
[12:03] <ajmitch> you can actually talk to people
[12:03] <Lathiat> its not like, an expo
[12:03] <zakame> sure wish I can go to lca :P
[12:03] <Lathiat> yeh
[12:03] <ajmitch> rather than treating them like celebrities :)
[12:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:03] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:03] <jsgotangco> that is much fun
[12:04] <ajmitch> though I regret not getting Lathiat's autograph at LCA :)
[12:04] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:04] <\sh> why is someone asking for an autograph of mark?
[12:04] <ajmitch> \sh: because he's so famous
[12:04] <azeem> I saw people asking mako for autographs
[12:04] <jsgotangco> \sh, don't be surprised...
[12:05] <ajmitch> azeem: haha, how'd he handle that?
[12:05] <zakame> moo
[12:05] <azeem> ajmitch: tbm (who was standing next ho him) didn't handle it fine :)
[12:05] <\sh> oh shit...and I washed my hand after I shook marks hand, damn...
[12:05] <ajmitch> heh
[12:05] <azeem> I think he was still the DPL at that time
[12:05] <jsgotangco> i'm nobody but someone asked form my autograph in korea... :/
[12:05] <jsgotangco> it felt strange
[12:05] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: that's because you were speaking
[12:05] <Lathiat> haha
[12:06] <Lathiat> it is a bit funy when someone first like recognizes yo uout of the blue and thigs like that
[12:06] <ajmitch> noone's asked for my autograph yet :)
[12:06] <ajmitch> Lathiat: it was easy to recognise you :P
[12:06] <jsgotangco> but i got the supreme honor of being ajmitch's roommate
[12:06] <ajmitch> poor jsgotangco
[12:06] <Lathiat> at lca2003 some guy came up to me and was like "Hey! yoru that guy from <something> & ipv6!"
[12:06] <irvin> heya how do we confirm a bug on malone? do i just add a comment confirming it exists?
[12:06] <zakame> lol
[12:06] <Hobbsee> irvin: yeah, seems to be
[12:06] <ajmitch> irvin: change the status, it's not obvious :)
[12:06] <zakame> irvin: status
[12:07] <Hobbsee> ah, ok then!
[12:07] <\sh> the first time I met maddog was really funny...I wondered why this old fart was drinking beer with us at the redhat booth during cebit 2001
[12:07] <ajmitch> irvin: eg click on the packagename(ubuntu) under 'fix requested in'
[12:07] <ajmitch> zakame: that might not be for awhile :)
[12:07] <ajmitch> zakame: more importantly, did you get jsgotangco's?
[12:07] <jsgotangco> wonder if i could go to germany in may
[12:08] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: is germany confirmed though?
[12:08] <ajmitch> I know it was still a possibility
[12:08] <jsgotangco> that's what mark said to me today
[12:08] <jsgotangco> i told him that's the world cup
[12:08] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:08] <ajmitch> that's what I heard..
[12:08] <jsgotangco> he said he'll make it squeeze in
[12:08] <ajmitch> ok
[12:08] <ajmitch> I probably won't be there
[12:08] <ajmitch> can't afford it
[12:08] <ajmitch> and canonical wouldn't sponsor me :)
[12:08] <irvin> bug #29958
[12:08] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29958 in monodevelop "Monodevelop requires MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME environment variable be set to start" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29958
[12:09] <\sh> ajmitch: why not?
[12:09] <jsgotangco> he hinted he might consider bangalore too
[12:09] <ajmitch> \sh: because I'm lazy?
[12:09] <zakame> ooh
[12:09] <jsgotangco> but that would probably be before the end of the year
[12:09] <\sh> ajmitch: oh
[12:09] <ajmitch> bangalore would be great, a friend who came to LCA works in bangalore
[12:09] <\sh> ajmitch: me too...but depends on the location in germany I would consider visiting the ubuntu conf :)
[12:09] <ajmitch> \sh: nah you'd get sponsored
[12:10] <ajmitch> but I live on the other side of the world
[12:10] <\sh> ajmitch: for what? I'm living in germany :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> and have done nothing for dapper
[12:10] <jsgotangco> munich?
[12:10] <\sh> ajmitch: and I won't get any sponsor ship again :)
[12:10] <ajmitch> \sh: you could
[12:10] <\sh> jsgotangco: rumors said...munich....I would prefer hamburg
[12:10] <zakame> munich world cup
[12:10] <ajmitch> \sh: my single dapper goal will probably slip *again*
[12:11] <\sh> zakame: world cup is all over germany :) no one can hide
[12:11] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:11] <\sh> zakame: even in cologne where I live
[12:12] <jsgotangco> strange...
[12:12] <zakame> bundesliga?
[12:12] <jsgotangco> that's the soccer league
[12:12] <\sh> german soccer league
[12:12] <zakame> ah
[12:13] <jsgotangco> zakame, frame that CD
[12:13] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:13] <jsgotangco> it might lose its mint condition!!!
[12:14] <zakame> jsgotangco: ack
[12:14] <ajmitch> cd?
[12:14] <jsgotangco> autographed 5.10 heh
[12:14] <ajmitch> haha
[12:20] <ajmitch> ah it's great to see users complaining on u-devel, and being told that their complaints are addressed in dapper ;)
[12:20] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:20] <jsgotangco> smackdown
[12:21] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: no, just progress being made :)
[12:21] <jsgotangco> dinner
[12:21] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:21] <jsgotangco> have you read the forum thread on automatix
[12:21] <jsgotangco> ?
[12:21] <ajmitch> I don't bother
[12:21] <jsgotangco> i just looked at it last night
[12:21] <jsgotangco> it was nasty
[12:21] <ajmitch> it's full of ranting & raving & conspiracy theories
[12:21] <jsgotangco> its so colorful
[12:21] <irvin> i thought the issue was already resolved?
[12:22] <jsgotangco> irvin, its now pride at stake
[12:22] <ajmitch> irvin: it'll never be resolved, while the people involved still can type & rant :P
[12:22] <jsgotangco> i say a line or two and never come back to a thread
[12:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:22] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:23] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: it's one reason for me to stay away from forums
[12:25] <zakame> let's have a boxing match then ;P
[12:26] <ajmitch> zakame: it's too depressing reading the forums
[12:26] <ajmitch> if I read them too much I'd never want to work on ubuntu :)
[12:27] <zakame> ajmitch: yeah, too bad :(
[12:27] <ajmitch> the automatix author seems to be unhinged
[12:28] <zakame> hmm, `unhinged', how APT
[12:28] <ajmitch> :P
[12:29] <ajmitch> from the topic in #ubuntu-devel..
[12:30] <ajmitch> No uploads on Friday (Soyuz Rollout)
[12:30] <ajmitch> scary stuff
[12:30] <\sh> coolk
[12:30] <zakame> ooh
[12:30] <\sh> at least it lands
[12:31] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:31] <\sh> tryting to install suns jdk on my dapper amd64 box...I need to install tomcat and play with servlets and jsp stuff...scary
[12:33] <Lathiat> eww
[12:33] <jsgotangco> soyuz
[12:33] <Lathiat> hopefully it doesnt crash
[12:34] <ajmitch> \sh: btw apt-proxy has given me many problems tonight
[12:34] <ajmitch> \sh: so I haven't rebuilt wine yet
[12:35] <siretart> just copied the topic from #ubuntu-devel
[12:35] <Hobbsee> forgive my ignorance, but why no uploads on friday in particular?
[12:36] <zakame> ^^
[12:36] <ajmitch> siretart: yes, I just told them :)
[12:37] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: soyuz rollout :)
[12:37] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: soyuz is the new distro management stuff in launchpad
[12:37] <Hobbsee> ah right
[12:37] <Lathiat> so soyuz is being rolled out
[12:37] <Lathiat> (put in place)
[12:37] <ajmitch> you'll probably come back with lots of pics of spacecraft
[12:37] <Hobbsee> hehehe!  now i feel like a moron!
[12:37] <Lathiat> it takes the uploads and handles building and that sort of thing (i think?)
[12:37] <Lathiat> hence no uploads
[12:37] <zakame> lol
[12:38] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[12:38] <zakame> those sort of spacecrafts
[12:38] <jsgotangco> lol
[12:38] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you might even find some photos of sabdfl in a soyuz
[12:38] <zakame> woo
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ooh, nice
[12:39] <zakame> bye all
[12:39] <Hobbsee> you know, I did think Soyuz was a rather weird first name...
[12:39] <ajmitch> bye zakame :)
[12:40] <jsgotangco> weirder than Malone?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> i've never thought that malone was a person lol
[12:43] <ajmitch> http://images.spaceref.com/news/2003/20030424_rollout_02.jpg <-- nice little soyuz :)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:43] <Lathiat> you knwo whats funny
[12:43] <Hobbsee> could be fun to be in
[12:44] <Lathiat> that has rollout in the name
[12:44] <ajmitch> Lathiat: of course, what do you think I searched for on google?
[12:44] <siretart> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz
[12:45] <Lathiat> heh
[12:48] <Lathiat> oh wow, dapper installs install all in the first round and boot straight into it
[12:49] <Lathiat> thats awesome
[12:49] <ajmitch> Lathiat: that's surprising?
[12:50] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i havent done a dapper cd install yet
[12:50] <Lathiat> only upgrades
[12:50] <Lathiat> did flight1 do that?
[12:50] <StevenK> I wish I could still download Flight 3 via Jigdo.
[12:51] <Lathiat> bah, synaptics for ALPS is still farked
[12:57] <ajmitch> ok, I think I'll try & just do selinux hacking tomorrow
[12:58] <ajmitch> sleep time now :)
[12:58] <ajmitch> btw, I found a horrible photo of sabdfl
[12:58] <ajmitch> http://www.beefjerky.com/soyuz1.html
[01:00] <\sh> well..he pointed the world to ZA biltong :)
[01:03] <jsgotangco> "This is the best beef jerky I ever ate. I'm partial to South African biltong, but your beef jerky is really very good."
[01:04] <jsgotangco> alright
[01:05] <jsgotangco> Final Frontier Jerky
[01:05] <jsgotangco> haha
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: "synaptics for ALPS is still farked" - would this be with the slow scrolling?  or is there something else wrong with it too?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> ah yes, you're pointing at the bug I filed
[01:06] <ajmitch> Lathiat: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-x-swat
[01:06] <ajmitch> the X SWAT team
[01:07] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: yeh that bug
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: damned bug - did you try the solution at the end that i posted for it?  my touchpad's working properly with the workaround
[01:07] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: as is mine, but a workaround isnt a solution :)
[01:08] <Lathiat> i had forgotten about it cus i had the workaround on my last install :)
[01:08] <Hobbsee> true - but it's better than being forced to use a PS2 mouse!
[01:08] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[01:59] <Gloubiboulga> MOTUs, I have a little problem with my libswitch package (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1627)
[01:59] <Gloubiboulga> I don't really know how to handle sistpoty's last comment
[02:00] <Gloubiboulga> could someone help me on this ?
[02:07] <Gloubiboulga> thanks zakame
[02:09] <zakame> hmm, seems the main netswitch pkg is arch:all, is this right?
[02:09] <Gloubiboulga> yes, that's right
[02:10] <zakame> is it a script?
[02:10] <Gloubiboulga> it is
[02:10] <zakame> ah k
[02:11] <zakame> well looking at debian/rules you have an empty binary-indep rule, which is what sistpoty was pointing out
[02:12] <zakame> perhaps setting it as `binary-indep: binary-arch' would do, but I'm not sure about that either :/
[02:13] <Gloubiboulga> That's what I've done this time, but I'm not sure of this neither
[02:13] <Gloubiboulga> that's why I asked :)
[02:15] <zakame> it probably won't hurt though, since iirc binary-arch gets called first anyway, so binary-indep sinply doesn't do anything, unless binary-arch hasn't been made
[02:16] <Gloubiboulga> actually, I don't understand the point of this
[02:16] <Gloubiboulga> if you build the package, you build everything, not only the binary-indep
[02:17] <Gloubiboulga> or I missed something maybe
[02:17] <zakame> well the point is to comply with debian policy wrt to the porcessing of debian/rules, which follows that order
[02:17] <zakame> configure -> build -> install ->binary-arch ->binary-indep
[02:18] <Gloubiboulga> well, debian policy is our guide so...
[02:21] <zakame> thats why for some pkgs I see, they explicitly set the binary-* targets for each package to build
[02:22] <Gloubiboulga> could you give me an example ?
[02:24] <zakame> say for a package `foo' that produces `foo' binary-arch and `foo-data' binary-indep, the targets could be `binary-indep: binary/foo-data' and `binary-arch: binary/foo', where each `binary/*' rule has its own process
[02:25] <zakame> anyhow, hth, gtg :D
[02:25] <jsgotangco> can you say that in english?
[02:25] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:25] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[02:25] <zakame> lol
[02:26] <zakame> I'll just blog about fanboi me tomorrow ;P
[02:26] <zakame> gn8
[02:26] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[02:59] <Kyral> Morning MOTU
[06:46] <pef> hello
[06:58] <Gloubiboulga> salut pef :)
[06:58] <pef> Gloubiboulga: bonsoir, ca va ? :)
[06:58] <Gloubiboulga> a va :)
[06:58] <Gloubiboulga> et toi ?
[07:08] <pef> Gloubiboulga: vi :) je trie les bugs
[07:08] <Gloubiboulga> pef, c'est un travail ingrat mais essentiel ;)
[07:08] <pef> Gloubiboulga: vaut mieux en faire un peu chaque jour
[07:09] <Gloubiboulga> pef, je suis d'acoord avec toi
[07:14] <Gloubiboulga> somebody knows if xlibs-static-pic has been replaced by an other package, or if it's been dropped from dapper ?
[07:35] <siretart> LOL: In response to the rumours [1] , I can confirm with a fair level of certainty that Paul Sladen is in fact *not* the cause of this particular outbreak!
[07:43] <Amaranth> it was siretart!
[08:04] <Gloubiboulga> a bug on a xfce package should be assigned to MOTU or xubuntu-team ?
[08:04] <dholbach> CC the xubuntu-team
[08:05] <dholbach> and maybe CC the motu team as well, if you like
[08:05] <Gloubiboulga> ok
[09:22] <zyga> lucas: hello
[09:22] <lucas> hi
[10:44] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:52] <ajmitch> hey spacey
[11:10] <spacey> hi
[11:43] <raphink> ok I think I'll stop reorganizing the WikiPages for now
[11:43] <raphink> it's quite better imo now
[11:43] <raphink> but I'd like someone (or even a few people) to review the work a bit if possible
[11:43] <raphink> so anyone volunteering to browse a bit around and hunt for some mistakes ?
[11:44] <raphink> this is how the organization looks now : http://revu.tauware.de/~raphink/MOTUWiki.png