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Lord_Athurhi all12:19
Lord_Athuri need help12:20
Lord_Athuris there a program made with c++ on edubuntu?12:20
Lord_Athurcan anybody tell me one easy to modify and used under the terminal environment?12:20
RondomLord_Athur: waht do you want to do12:24
Rondomlearn c++?12:24
Lord_Athurno12:24
Lord_Athurtry to see "real" examples 12:25
Lord_Athurdo you know about an easy program made with c++?12:26
Lord_Athurmhz, 12:26
Lord_Athurwhat do you say?12:26
Lord_Athurdo you know?12:26
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signifer123hey12:38
Lord_Athurhi signifer123 12:38
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Kamping_Kaiseris the edubuntu-devel list realy quiet, or have i not joined properly?02:38
jsgotangcoits been quiet lately :/02:39
Kamping_Kaiserok thanks :)02:41
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Gentanyone alive?05:44
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Gentyay!05:59
GentOk, I still need help05:59
Gentand no one seems to know what's up05:59
Kamping_Kaiserwell i have been here for 4 hours, but try anyway ;)05:59
crimsunhelp may be a bit slow, since the developers are at the distro sprint06:00
GentOk.... I have this organization... and we donate computers, we donated one yesterday to a daycare and it was running edubuntu06:00
Gentgcompris is essential to what they're doing06:00
Gentwhen I try to launch gcompris from the gnome menus, I get no sound06:00
Gentif I open a terminal, start it, ensure fx and music are checked, then restart it from the terminal I get sound06:00
GentI can restart it 20 times from the terminal, and will always get sound after that point06:01
Gentbut never from the menu06:01
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Gentany ideas?06:02
Kamping_Kaiserum. fraid not. never use the software :/ could it be a working dir issue?06:02
Gentcould be, if it uses some sort of relative path to look for the config06:03
Gentbut I can't imagine it would06:03
GentI'd imagine it would look in ~/.gcompris/gcompris.conf06:03
Gentwhich is where the file is06:03
Kamping_Kaiserwhat happens to the file? does it get changed when gcompris starts from the menu but not a terminal? what I'm asking is could it be changing to a default each start?06:05
Gentno06:06
Gentit doesn't seem to change at all06:06
GentI can manually set fx and music to 106:06
Gentand it will never change06:06
Gentyet the first time I start from a terminal even, no sound06:07
Genteven if I do   gcompris --sound06:07
GentIt could be an underlying OSS compatibility issue or something...06:07
Gentcause it looks like it's using OSS06:07
Gentat least I think /dev/sequencer is old OSS shit06:07
Kamping_Kaisernot sure. ihave an amazingly narrow experiance with linux :)06:08
Kamping_Kaiserand not having an edubuntu box (yet) i cant even look at it :(06:08
jsgotangcoyeah i also experience that with gcompris :/06:09
jsgotangcoits annoying it seems to have a mind of its own06:09
GentI would have thought as one of the essential portions of the system that it would be something taken care of06:10
Gentit's inclusion is sorta what separates edubuntu apart06:10
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Gentalso is schoolbell on edubuntu, or just schooltool06:10
Gentit seems like schoolbell has all the real management stuff06:10
jsgotangcoGent, oh it works its probably more on hardware though but thats a long shot06:10
jsgotangcobrb06:11
Gentwell it seems like a mix between hardware and software, I could see if you didn't have a multichannel card... but I'd imagine it would use ESD (as the logical thing to do on ubuntu)06:11
crimsunyou could wrap it using esddsp, I presume06:12
Gentnever used that06:12
Gentdo you just do esddsp <command> ?06:12
crimsunesddsp app06:12
GentI'll have to give that a shot06:13
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GentI REALLY need to build up my linux on this system again06:14
GentI've been using WinXP way too long06:14
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shaqielhi yall08:09
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Infinity-1If I already have Ubuntu installed, what is the easiest way to upgrade or switch to EdUbuntu please?01:57
Kamping_Kaiserapt-get install edubuntu-desktop IIRC.01:57
Infinity-1Kamping_Kaiser: thanks!01:58
Kamping_Kaisernp01:58
Infinity-1I am actually still completing network install of Ubuntu on thinkpad 570 4GB 128MB01:59
Infinity-1it's taken me a week to get this far!!!! :O01:59
Infinity-1been out of the loop for a few years -- getting back into the game again02:00
Kamping_Kaisera week o:O02:00
Infinity-1I know02:01
Infinity-1was running 98  uggh~!02:01
Infinity-1usb cdrom02:01
Infinity-1no floppy02:01
Kamping_Kaiseroh, evil02:01
Infinity-1I might still have one more hurdle to get over02:01
Kamping_Kaiserwhtas that?02:02
Infinity-1seem to get to starting X and then message about not able to load initial something02:02
Infinity-1initial desktop / space / something02:02
Infinity-1I always forget to write it down thinking I can remember it02:03
Infinity-1I am just installing all the additional packages now02:03
Kamping_Kaiserbut the desktop loads?02:03
Infinity-1I'm sure it will come up again in a few minutes02:03
Infinity-1nope kernel panic02:03
Kamping_Kaisero_002:03
Kamping_Kaiserouch02:03
Infinity-1so I restarted laptop this time and it skipped that part and continued loading packages02:04
Infinity-1currently unpacking samba02:04
Infinity-1getting close02:04
Infinity-1xutils02:04
Infinity-1oh know! ttf loading now02:04
Infinity-1If I remember correctly there are hundreds of these02:05
Infinity-1wrong again!02:05
Infinity-1ubunti-docs02:05
Infinity-1xserver...02:05
Infinity-1xfonts02:06
Infinity-1unpacking is complete02:06
Infinity-1now setting up packages02:07
Kamping_Kaiserlol. i take your word for it, i don't need comentry ;)02:08
Infinity-1I know sorry - 02:08
Infinity-1lol02:08
Kamping_Kaiserlol02:12
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Infinity-1network install takes awhile ha!02:26
Kamping_Kaiserover the net yeh. :)02:26
Kamping_Kaisernot over 100mb networks though :)02:26
Infinity-1well, I am on Cable modem connection02:27
Infinity-1I don't think they would like me doing install from work! ;)02:27
Kamping_Kaiserlol.02:27
Kamping_Kaiseri made an ubuntu mirror at work and use that ;)02:27
Infinity-1one of our guys just got fired - I heard he was running sniffer on his workstation! 02:27
Infinity-1talk about stupid!02:27
Kamping_Kaiserlol. no kidding02:28
Infinity-1and we have a sysadmin in the same office everyday.02:28
Kamping_KaiserI'm supprised he bothered, a switch should stop that being usefull02:28
Infinity-1I think our internal is pretty slack - based on honesty system still02:29
Infinity-1I think it is changing now! LOL02:29
Kamping_Kaiserlol02:29
Infinity-1hung up at 99% of course!02:34
Infinity-1trying different server addresses02:34
Kamping_Kaiserlol.02:34
Infinity-1I should have selected the US server at the beginning instead of being stubborn and sticking with Canada!02:35
Kamping_Kaiserlol. the us server is actualy prone to errors. for the record02:35
Infinity-1:)02:36
Kamping_Kaiser:)02:36
Infinity-1if i restart, do you think it will continue install, or will I have to start from the beginning?02:39
Infinity-1still hanging02:39
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Kamping_Kaisernot sure. what's it stopped on?02:40
Infinity-1Connecting to ca.archive.ubuntu.com (206.75.218.53)02:40
Infinity-1then it tries the other server at .5202:40
Infinity-1it just keeps going between the two servers - not connecting02:41
Infinity-199% complete02:41
Kamping_Kaiserhm. so do you have a abase system installed?02:41
Infinity-1who knows,,,02:41
Kamping_Kaiseroh, i see :/02:41
Infinity-1here I go..... going to restart.....02:41
Kamping_Kaiserok *crosses fingers*02:41
Infinity-1yep!02:42
Infinity-1it would be nice if it said connection timed out - please enter alernate server location02:42
Infinity-1maybe I'll get this error message I can tell youabbout02:43
Kamping_Kaiserlol.  02:43
Infinity-1its trying to load Gnome02:44
Infinity-1looking good....02:44
Infinity-1hmmm02:44
Kamping_Kaiser:S02:45
Infinity-1well, I got the little spinning circle icon02:45
Kamping_Kaisergoood...02:45
Infinity-1now I have a square screen about one third of my screen that I cannot read02:45
Kamping_Kaiserhm. can you get a getty open?02:46
Infinity-1restarting02:46
Infinity-1I'll pay for awhile02:47
Infinity-1see where I get to02:47
Kamping_Kaiserok02:47
Infinity-1starting in recovery mode02:47
Infinity-1I think I just have to configure xconf02:48
Kamping_Kaisertry sudo apt-get -f install first02:48
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Infinity-1ok, did that , it says Done 0 upgrade, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded02:50
Kamping_Kaiserok. then try `sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop` to make sure it's all there02:50
Infinity-1startx doesn't work02:50
Infinity-1ok02:50
Infinity-1E: Couldn't find package edubuntu-desktop02:51
Infinity-1checked spelling02:51
Kamping_Kaiserdo you have main and universe?02:52
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Infinity-1not sure, I just did network install of Ubuntu02:52
Kamping_Kaisercheckyour sources list02:52
Infinity-1find sources02:53
Infinity-1mount cdrom works02:54
lucasvoInfinity-1: no, it's sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list02:54
Infinity-1hoary universe02:54
Kamping_Kaiserhoary? o_002:55
Infinity-1who knows??02:55
Infinity-1now what is exit command02:55
Infinity-1:quit02:55
Kamping_Kaiseryep02:55
Infinity-1yep02:55
Infinity-1ok I can access edubuntu cd02:56
Kamping_Kaiseroh, you have it on cd?02:56
Kamping_Kaiserwas there an edubuntu in hoary... i think it was first in with Breezy wasnt it?02:56
Infinity-1yeah Breezy is the version02:57
Infinity-1I burned EdUbuntu on CD before starting this02:57
Infinity-1and then installed grub onto MBR02:57
Infinity-1then it just started network install of Ubuntu02:57
Infinity-1ls02:57
Kamping_Kaiserinteresting. (i havent installed edubuntu)02:58
Infinity-1neither have I - LOL02:58
Infinity-1cd..02:58
lucasvoInfinity-1: update to breezy02:58
Infinity-1right now I am in command line mode02:58
lucasvoInfinity-1: on the install cd?02:58
Infinity-1what command can I run to start xconfigurator?02:59
lucasvoInfinity-1: you didn't install your system correct 02:59
Infinity-1well, it timed out on the network install at 99%02:59
lucasvohuh03:00
lucasvoInfinity-1: easiest would be to install it from cd 03:00
Infinity-1well, easier said than done03:01
Infinity-1Thinkpad 570 - USB CDRom03:01
Infinity-1does not recognize cdrom in bios03:01
Infinity-1no floppy03:01
lucasvoInfinity-1: so how did you do it?03:01
Infinity-1I installed grub onto MBR03:01
Infinity-1then started Ubuntu Install03:01
Infinity-1it just automatically started the network install03:02
lucasvoInfinity-1: I would redo the install03:02
Infinity-1yeah, which means putting my hard drive back into my pc and installing win98 and then grub, and then running network install again03:03
Infinity-1but hey, it's only time!03:03
lucasvoInfinity-1: hm, with this basic questions, I would go to#ubuntu03:03
Infinity-1I tried running the install for Ubuntu directly with the laptop HD mounted on PC but that doesn;t work either03:04
Infinity-1I am in there too, but they are pretty busy right now03:04
Infinity-1I will play for a bit to see what I can hack03:04
Infinity-1just looking for something I can add to menu.lst in grub even03:04
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mhzJaneW: hi, got a minute again?03:31
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JaneWmhz: I am back now04:09
JaneWmhz: your pdf talks about other attachments, but there aren't any....04:09
JaneWmhz: so did mark respond to you?04:10
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mhzJaneW: ohh, gee! I'll send the attachements04:11
mhzJaneW: yes, today. BUT04:11
Lord_Athurhi all04:11
JaneWmhz: yes...?04:12
mhzJaneW: he said he had no other email from me (only the one I sent yeasterday night to push a little) probably because he filters deleted it or he decided not to respond04:12
JaneWmhz: he gets a LOT of mail (you can imagine)04:12
mhzJaneW: ehehehe, yes04:12
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JaneWI thin claire helps to filter it04:13
mhzJaneW: so I just resend it CC'ing you04:13
JaneWthin=think04:13
JaneWmhz: great thanks04:13
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mhzJaneW: thx to you for the patience04:14
JaneWmhz: there were a few typos / grammar errors in the pdf, want me to help you ocrrect it?04:14
mhzsure04:14
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mhzJaneW: need to get 'source' file?04:14
mhzJaneW: then, that can wait, please get better 1st!04:14
JaneWno now's fine I'll PM you04:14
mhzohterwise, I'll be causing you more headaches04:15
mhz:D04:15
mhzLord_Athur: hi there04:17
Lord_Athurhi mhz 04:17
Lord_Athurwill there you be a meeting tomorrow in (on at ;O) the cultural center04:18
Lord_Athurhahhaa04:18
Lord_Athuri wrote it of a wrong way04:18
mhzLord_Athur: don't worry, prepositions in English kill me all the time!04:19
Lord_Athurhehehe04:19
Lord_Athurthen will you be there?04:19
mhznope, impossible :(04:19
Lord_Athurok04:19
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mhzooohhh, this looks VERY interesting04:37
mhzhttp://ipcf.freedesktop.org/wiki/04:37
jsgotangcomhz, http://www.flickr.com/photos/headgeekette04:38
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Infinity-1can someone tell me the command for the apt-get edubuntu-desktop04:45
Infinity-1I think I am only missing one word04:46
Infinity-1apt-get edubuntu-desktop04:46
jouni__mInfinity-1 apt-get install edubuntu-desktop I think04:46
Infinity-1ahh install  thanks I'll try it04:46
Infinity-1with sudo at the beginning!04:47
Infinity-1sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop04:47
Lord_AthurInfinity-1, can't I install the edubuntu-desktop meta-package from debian?04:47
Infinity-1hmmm lots of broken dependencies04:47
Infinity-1dunno, I am just installing ubuntu on my laptop myself04:48
Infinity-1got it working finally 10 minutes ago after a week of head banging04:48
Infinity-1I am on it right now here04:48
Lord_Athurmhz,  can't I install the edubuntu-desktop meta-package from debian?04:49
Infinity-1I also have 414 updates available to be installed. So I guess I sould complete those first04:50
Infinity-1I'll be back!04:51
mhzLord_Athur: if your 'edubuntu'desktop' is not in the results of "apt- cache search edubuntu-desktop", then it is not there.04:54
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Lord_Athurmhz, it isn't04:56
Lord_Athur:P04:56
MrSuper34hello04:56
mhzLord_Athur: and I doubt it will be part of debian repos04:58
mhzbecause Edubuntu is a customization of many things for Ubuntu systems04:58
mhzand ubuntu is not = debian04:58
jsgotangco:P04:59
MrSuper34where i find a list of educational softwares included in edubuntu 5.10?04:59
Lord_Athur:O04:59
mhzMrSuper34: gimme a sec to get you an url04:59
mhzMrSuper34: wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList04:59
mhz;p04:59
mhzMrSuper34: but please consider this list corresponds to the apps. shipped in the cd, not the huge repository of edu apps.05:00
MrSuper34tks05:00
MrSuper34ok05:02
MrSuper34Do you have a solution for installing KDE as a default environment on Edubuntu?05:03
mhzyup05:04
mhzKDE is just a desktop05:04
mhzso, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will give you a full KDE 'ubuntised'05:05
MrSuper34ok but I like to make KDE a DEFAULT desktop of Edubuntu...can anyone help me to do this?05:07
MrSuper34ok but... if I install KUbuntu over EdUbuntu, did I loose any Edubuntu's educational applications?05:08
jouni__mMrSuper34 then choose session KDE from gdm menu (or kdm) .Log in and it asks if you want KDE for default session.05:09
mhzyou mean, everytime you boot X you want KDE to be default environement?05:09
mhzMrSuper34: no, you don't loose a thing05:09
mhzMrSuper34: edubuntu is mainly a LTSP implementation + edu apps + GUI's05:10
MrSuper34but... don't have any educational applications in EdUbuntu wich run only on Gnome desktop?05:11
mhzeven if we did, you dont lose a thing because you already have gnome installed or not? And besides, APT is so clever that will install dependencies needed05:13
MrSuper34ok...thank you very much... i'm going to download right now!05:17
mhzand we'll be here is your system crashes :D05:17
MrSuper34:)))05:18
mhzMrSuper34: sorry, i had to be mean for a moment :D05:22
mhzdon't worry, it will be ok05:22
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mhzogra: ping06:00
mhzogra: maybe you could take a look at this http://ltsp-thinadmin.sourceforge.net/english/index.html#about06:01
mhzThat guy is Mr. Edulinux06:01
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qwizzzHello?10:17
mhzhi10:17
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qwizzzlol  I've been a network/PC tech/admin/consultant since 1997 and this is the first time I've used IRC.10:18
qwizzzI have a question about terminal server clients logging in.10:19
qwizzzCan anyone help?10:19
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qwizzzmhz?  Know anything about ltsp in edubuntu?10:21
mhzqwizzz: the idea of IRC is that after you say hi, you usually shoot your questions and anyone reads it and responds if available or know10:21
mhzqwizzz: yes, a little10:22
qwizzzOh... okay.10:22
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mhzqwizzz: oh, welcome to IRC, BTW :)10:23
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qwizzzWell I have a server machine up and running with two NIC's... (thanks for the welcome :) ) ...and the client sees the server, pulls down an IP and boots...10:29
qwizzzbut then I cannot login on the client.10:29
mhzqwizzz: which version of edubuntu?10:30
qwizzzmhz: breezy 5.1010:31
mhzqwizzz: so clients get IP?10:32
mhzbut can't login?10:32
qwizzzyep, I can even ping them from the server.10:32
qwizzzI only have two users on the server.10:32
mhzokis10:33
mhzqwizzz: in the server, try this $ ltsp-update-sshkeys10:33
mhzthen try to login from clients10:33
qwizzzshould I restart any services or reboot the client?10:34
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mhzqwizzz: no need10:34
mhzlet's see what happens fisrt10:34
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Infinity-1is there a command I can run to repair an installation or restart an installation from cdrom?10:38
qwizzzmhz I lOVE YOU!10:39
mhzqwizzz: good!!!10:39
qwizzzlol needless to say it worked.10:39
Infinity-1is there any install file I can run from the cd10:43
mhzInfinity-1: hmm, can you provide more details?10:43
Infinity-1I installed Ubuntu network install10:43
Infinity-1but it is not able to run Gnome desktop anymore10:44
Infinity-1it worked once10:44
Infinity-1I am on thinkpad 57010:44
Infinity-1I finally figured out that nemagic / 60Hz / 800x600 seems to work10:44
Infinity-1but it took a long time to load10:44
Infinity-1now I can't even run startx10:45
Infinity-1so I was wondering if i could restart the install from command line in linux using the install cd10:45
Infinity-1mount cdrom10:45
Infinity-1oops wrong pc sorry! lol10:45
mhzInfinity-1: aahhhh, now i see10:46
mhzInfinity-1: you want to re-configure X ?10:46
qwizzzone more question though..  the original user account created during the OS install, the semi-root one, can log on to the terminals10:46
mhzyup10:46
mhzqwizzz: the beauty of LTSP10:46
Infinity-1I tried   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg10:46
qwizzzbut the second account I created cannot.10:46
mhzis that everyuser that exists on Server side10:47
mhzwill login in terminals10:47
Infinity-1that worked originally but now it doesn't10:47
mhzohhh10:47
Infinity-1I would like to even re-install Gnome Desktop but can't find the package name10:47
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mhzqwizzz: IF a user is already logged in, you cant use it from terminal10:47
mhzi guess, dapper is solving that10:48
mhzInfinity-1: then apt-cache search gnome10:48
mhzInfinity-1: you'll see many results10:48
mhzInfinity-1: you find the package name for the desktop10:48
Infinity-1ok I'll try that10:48
mhzInfinity-1: and then, apt-get remove gnome-desktop (if that's the name)10:49
Infinity-1can't even mount cdrom anymore - says not in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab10:49
Infinity-1it's getting  worse!10:49
mhzand apt-get install gnome-desktop10:49
mhzInfinity-1: how do you mount cdrom?10:49
mhzand what installation did you perform?10:49
Infinity-1last time I booted I just typed "mount cdrom" and it worked fine10:50
mhzmount /cdrom10:50
Infinity-1thanks that worked!10:50
mhzInfinity-1: mount command will read the file /etc/fstab10:50
Infinity-1I now have access to the install cd10:50
mhzhehehe10:50
Infinity-1looking for gnome desktop pkg now10:51
Infinity-1seem to be missing all kinds of dependent pkgs10:53
qwizzzmhz seriously, thank you... I am very young and very new to linux.  I've been reading a LOT but there is just so much... 10:53
mhzqwizzz: i appreciate your feelings. You're welcome10:53
mhzqwizzz: and yes, there are lots to learn10:53
mhzthats the beauty of this10:53
mhzthere are many ways to do same things10:53
Infinity-1lol - I only want one that works!10:54
mhzand there's always new needs to solve10:54
qwizzzYeah,  I am literally in love with edubuntu and Open Source overall10:54
mhzhehehe10:54
mhzme too10:54
mhzInfinity-1: but maybe you are doing something wrong or have something missing10:54
mhzand from here it is kind of difficult to tell10:55
qwizzzI am THE PC guy for my old high school... its charter and I am basically the only Techie there10:55
Infinity-1Well, I'll keep trying. Just don't want to have to take my hard drive out again mount it onto PC, install windows98, then install grub, then do network install just to get back to where I already am!10:56
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Infinity-1Why can't i just install EdUbuntu or Ubuntu from linux command line using Ubuntu CD10:56
mhzInfinity-1: you can if you use Dapper instead of Breezy10:57
Infinity-1I can install windows from windows, but I can't install linux from Linux! Go figure10:57
Infinity-1Dapper?10:57
Infinity-1is that another version of Ubuntu?10:57
mhzqwizzz: we always try to be here to help or cheer up people but manytimes people are doing something else or sleeping10:58
mhzInfinity-1: is the latest version10:58
mhzInfinity-1: I have installed Linux from Linux many times10:58
Infinity-1Can I install it from Linux command line?10:58
mhzand even the 1st ubuntu10:58
mhzyes, you can even install it via rsync10:59
mhz:D10:59
Infinity-1ok, thanks - I'll go burn it! 10:59
mhzhehehe10:59
qwizzzYou have any advice on some type of groupware for  school?  I like schooltool but I don't know if it's enough.11:02
mhzqwizzz: what you need?11:05
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qwizzzI'll let you know in 20.. :D11:07
mhz_BackIn20heheh11:07
mhz_BackIn20thx11:07
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