[12:19] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[12:20] <Lord_Athur> i need help
[12:20] <Lord_Athur> is there a program made with c++ on edubuntu?
[12:20] <Lord_Athur> can anybody tell me one easy to modify and used under the terminal environment?
[12:24] <Rondom> Lord_Athur: waht do you want to do
[12:24] <Rondom> learn c++?
[12:24] <Lord_Athur> no
[12:25] <Lord_Athur> try to see "real" examples 
[12:26] <Lord_Athur> do you know about an easy program made with c++?
[12:26] <Lord_Athur> mhz, 
[12:26] <Lord_Athur> what do you say?
[12:26] <Lord_Athur> do you know?
[12:38] <signifer123> hey
[12:38] <Lord_Athur> hi signifer123 
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> is the edubuntu-devel list realy quiet, or have i not joined properly?
[02:39] <jsgotangco> its been quiet lately :/
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok thanks :)
[05:44] <Gent> anyone alive?
[05:59] <Gent> yay!
[05:59] <Gent> Ok, I still need help
[05:59] <Gent> and no one seems to know what's up
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> well i have been here for 4 hours, but try anyway ;)
[06:00] <crimsun> help may be a bit slow, since the developers are at the distro sprint
[06:00] <Gent> Ok.... I have this organization... and we donate computers, we donated one yesterday to a daycare and it was running edubuntu
[06:00] <Gent> gcompris is essential to what they're doing
[06:00] <Gent> when I try to launch gcompris from the gnome menus, I get no sound
[06:00] <Gent> if I open a terminal, start it, ensure fx and music are checked, then restart it from the terminal I get sound
[06:01] <Gent> I can restart it 20 times from the terminal, and will always get sound after that point
[06:01] <Gent> but never from the menu
[06:02] <Gent> any ideas?
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. fraid not. never use the software :/ could it be a working dir issue?
[06:03] <Gent> could be, if it uses some sort of relative path to look for the config
[06:03] <Gent> but I can't imagine it would
[06:03] <Gent> I'd imagine it would look in ~/.gcompris/gcompris.conf
[06:03] <Gent> which is where the file is
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> what happens to the file? does it get changed when gcompris starts from the menu but not a terminal? what I'm asking is could it be changing to a default each start?
[06:06] <Gent> no
[06:06] <Gent> it doesn't seem to change at all
[06:06] <Gent> I can manually set fx and music to 1
[06:06] <Gent> and it will never change
[06:07] <Gent> yet the first time I start from a terminal even, no sound
[06:07] <Gent> even if I do   gcompris --sound
[06:07] <Gent> It could be an underlying OSS compatibility issue or something...
[06:07] <Gent> cause it looks like it's using OSS
[06:07] <Gent> at least I think /dev/sequencer is old OSS shit
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure. ihave an amazingly narrow experiance with linux :)
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> and not having an edubuntu box (yet) i cant even look at it :(
[06:09] <jsgotangco> yeah i also experience that with gcompris :/
[06:09] <jsgotangco> its annoying it seems to have a mind of its own
[06:10] <Gent> I would have thought as one of the essential portions of the system that it would be something taken care of
[06:10] <Gent> it's inclusion is sorta what separates edubuntu apart
[06:10] <Gent> also is schoolbell on edubuntu, or just schooltool
[06:10] <Gent> it seems like schoolbell has all the real management stuff
[06:10] <jsgotangco> Gent, oh it works its probably more on hardware though but thats a long shot
[06:11] <jsgotangco> brb
[06:11] <Gent> well it seems like a mix between hardware and software, I could see if you didn't have a multichannel card... but I'd imagine it would use ESD (as the logical thing to do on ubuntu)
[06:12] <crimsun> you could wrap it using esddsp, I presume
[06:12] <Gent> never used that
[06:12] <Gent> do you just do esddsp <command> ?
[06:12] <crimsun> esddsp app
[06:13] <Gent> I'll have to give that a shot
[06:14] <Gent> I REALLY need to build up my linux on this system again
[06:14] <Gent> I've been using WinXP way too long
[08:09] <shaqiel> hi yall
[01:57] <Infinity-1> If I already have Ubuntu installed, what is the easiest way to upgrade or switch to EdUbuntu please?
[01:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install edubuntu-desktop IIRC.
[01:58] <Infinity-1> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks!
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[01:59] <Infinity-1> I am actually still completing network install of Ubuntu on thinkpad 570 4GB 128MB
[01:59] <Infinity-1> it's taken me a week to get this far!!!! :O
[02:00] <Infinity-1> been out of the loop for a few years -- getting back into the game again
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> a week o:O
[02:01] <Infinity-1> I know
[02:01] <Infinity-1> was running 98  uggh~!
[02:01] <Infinity-1> usb cdrom
[02:01] <Infinity-1> no floppy
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, evil
[02:01] <Infinity-1> I might still have one more hurdle to get over
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> whtas that?
[02:02] <Infinity-1> seem to get to starting X and then message about not able to load initial something
[02:02] <Infinity-1> initial desktop / space / something
[02:03] <Infinity-1> I always forget to write it down thinking I can remember it
[02:03] <Infinity-1> I am just installing all the additional packages now
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> but the desktop loads?
[02:03] <Infinity-1> I'm sure it will come up again in a few minutes
[02:03] <Infinity-1> nope kernel panic
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> ouch
[02:04] <Infinity-1> so I restarted laptop this time and it skipped that part and continued loading packages
[02:04] <Infinity-1> currently unpacking samba
[02:04] <Infinity-1> getting close
[02:04] <Infinity-1> xutils
[02:04] <Infinity-1> oh know! ttf loading now
[02:05] <Infinity-1> If I remember correctly there are hundreds of these
[02:05] <Infinity-1> wrong again!
[02:05] <Infinity-1> ubunti-docs
[02:05] <Infinity-1> xserver...
[02:06] <Infinity-1> xfonts
[02:06] <Infinity-1> unpacking is complete
[02:07] <Infinity-1> now setting up packages
[02:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i take your word for it, i don't need comentry ;)
[02:08] <Infinity-1> I know sorry - 
[02:08] <Infinity-1> lol
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:26] <Infinity-1> network install takes awhile ha!
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> over the net yeh. :)
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> not over 100mb networks though :)
[02:27] <Infinity-1> well, I am on Cable modem connection
[02:27] <Infinity-1> I don't think they would like me doing install from work! ;)
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> i made an ubuntu mirror at work and use that ;)
[02:27] <Infinity-1> one of our guys just got fired - I heard he was running sniffer on his workstation! 
[02:27] <Infinity-1> talk about stupid!
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. no kidding
[02:28] <Infinity-1> and we have a sysadmin in the same office everyday.
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm supprised he bothered, a switch should stop that being usefull
[02:29] <Infinity-1> I think our internal is pretty slack - based on honesty system still
[02:29] <Infinity-1> I think it is changing now! LOL
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:34] <Infinity-1> hung up at 99% of course!
[02:34] <Infinity-1> trying different server addresses
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[02:35] <Infinity-1> I should have selected the US server at the beginning instead of being stubborn and sticking with Canada!
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. the us server is actualy prone to errors. for the record
[02:36] <Infinity-1> :)
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:39] <Infinity-1> if i restart, do you think it will continue install, or will I have to start from the beginning?
[02:39] <Infinity-1> still hanging
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure. what's it stopped on?
[02:40] <Infinity-1> Connecting to ca.archive.ubuntu.com (206.75.218.53)
[02:40] <Infinity-1> then it tries the other server at .52
[02:41] <Infinity-1> it just keeps going between the two servers - not connecting
[02:41] <Infinity-1> 99% complete
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. so do you have a abase system installed?
[02:41] <Infinity-1> who knows,,,
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, i see :/
[02:41] <Infinity-1> here I go..... going to restart.....
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok *crosses fingers*
[02:42] <Infinity-1> yep!
[02:42] <Infinity-1> it would be nice if it said connection timed out - please enter alernate server location
[02:43] <Infinity-1> maybe I'll get this error message I can tell youabbout
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.  
[02:44] <Infinity-1> its trying to load Gnome
[02:44] <Infinity-1> looking good....
[02:44] <Infinity-1> hmmm
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[02:45] <Infinity-1> well, I got the little spinning circle icon
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> goood...
[02:45] <Infinity-1> now I have a square screen about one third of my screen that I cannot read
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. can you get a getty open?
[02:46] <Infinity-1> restarting
[02:47] <Infinity-1> I'll pay for awhile
[02:47] <Infinity-1> see where I get to
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[02:47] <Infinity-1> starting in recovery mode
[02:48] <Infinity-1> I think I just have to configure xconf
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> try sudo apt-get -f install first
[02:50] <Infinity-1> ok, did that , it says Done 0 upgrade, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. then try `sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop` to make sure it's all there
[02:50] <Infinity-1> startx doesn't work
[02:50] <Infinity-1> ok
[02:51] <Infinity-1> E: Couldn't find package edubuntu-desktop
[02:51] <Infinity-1> checked spelling
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have main and universe?
[02:52] <Infinity-1> not sure, I just did network install of Ubuntu
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> checkyour sources list
[02:53] <Infinity-1> find sources
[02:54] <Infinity-1> mount cdrom works
[02:54] <lucasvo> Infinity-1: no, it's sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:54] <Infinity-1> hoary universe
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hoary? o_0
[02:55] <Infinity-1> who knows??
[02:55] <Infinity-1> now what is exit command
[02:55] <Infinity-1> :quit
[02:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[02:55] <Infinity-1> yep
[02:56] <Infinity-1> ok I can access edubuntu cd
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, you have it on cd?
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> was there an edubuntu in hoary... i think it was first in with Breezy wasnt it?
[02:57] <Infinity-1> yeah Breezy is the version
[02:57] <Infinity-1> I burned EdUbuntu on CD before starting this
[02:57] <Infinity-1> and then installed grub onto MBR
[02:57] <Infinity-1> then it just started network install of Ubuntu
[02:57] <Infinity-1> ls
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> interesting. (i havent installed edubuntu)
[02:58] <Infinity-1> neither have I - LOL
[02:58] <Infinity-1> cd..
[02:58] <lucasvo> Infinity-1: update to breezy
[02:58] <Infinity-1> right now I am in command line mode
[02:58] <lucasvo> Infinity-1: on the install cd?
[02:59] <Infinity-1> what command can I run to start xconfigurator?
[02:59] <lucasvo> Infinity-1: you didn't install your system correct 
[02:59] <Infinity-1> well, it timed out on the network install at 99%
[03:00] <lucasvo> huh
[03:00] <lucasvo> Infinity-1: easiest would be to install it from cd 
[03:01] <Infinity-1> well, easier said than done
[03:01] <Infinity-1> Thinkpad 570 - USB CDRom
[03:01] <Infinity-1> does not recognize cdrom in bios
[03:01] <Infinity-1> no floppy
[03:01] <lucasvo> Infinity-1: so how did you do it?
[03:01] <Infinity-1> I installed grub onto MBR
[03:01] <Infinity-1> then started Ubuntu Install
[03:02] <Infinity-1> it just automatically started the network install
[03:02] <lucasvo> Infinity-1: I would redo the install
[03:03] <Infinity-1> yeah, which means putting my hard drive back into my pc and installing win98 and then grub, and then running network install again
[03:03] <Infinity-1> but hey, it's only time!
[03:03] <lucasvo> Infinity-1: hm, with this basic questions, I would go to#ubuntu
[03:04] <Infinity-1> I tried running the install for Ubuntu directly with the laptop HD mounted on PC but that doesn;t work either
[03:04] <Infinity-1> I am in there too, but they are pretty busy right now
[03:04] <Infinity-1> I will play for a bit to see what I can hack
[03:04] <Infinity-1> just looking for something I can add to menu.lst in grub even
[03:31] <mhz> JaneW: hi, got a minute again?
[04:09] <JaneW> mhz: I am back now
[04:09] <JaneW> mhz: your pdf talks about other attachments, but there aren't any....
[04:10] <JaneW> mhz: so did mark respond to you?
[04:11] <mhz> JaneW: ohh, gee! I'll send the attachements
[04:11] <mhz> JaneW: yes, today. BUT
[04:11] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[04:12] <JaneW> mhz: yes...?
[04:12] <mhz> JaneW: he said he had no other email from me (only the one I sent yeasterday night to push a little) probably because he filters deleted it or he decided not to respond
[04:12] <JaneW> mhz: he gets a LOT of mail (you can imagine)
[04:12] <mhz> JaneW: ehehehe, yes
[04:13] <JaneW> I thin claire helps to filter it
[04:13] <mhz> JaneW: so I just resend it CC'ing you
[04:13] <JaneW> thin=think
[04:13] <JaneW> mhz: great thanks
[04:14] <mhz> JaneW: thx to you for the patience
[04:14] <JaneW> mhz: there were a few typos / grammar errors in the pdf, want me to help you ocrrect it?
[04:14] <mhz> sure
[04:14] <mhz> JaneW: need to get 'source' file?
[04:14] <mhz> JaneW: then, that can wait, please get better 1st!
[04:14] <JaneW> no now's fine I'll PM you
[04:15] <mhz> ohterwise, I'll be causing you more headaches
[04:15] <mhz> :D
[04:17] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hi there
[04:17] <Lord_Athur> hi mhz 
[04:18] <Lord_Athur> will there you be a meeting tomorrow in (on at ;O) the cultural center
[04:18] <Lord_Athur> hahhaa
[04:18] <Lord_Athur> i wrote it of a wrong way
[04:19] <mhz> Lord_Athur: don't worry, prepositions in English kill me all the time!
[04:19] <Lord_Athur> hehehe
[04:19] <Lord_Athur> then will you be there?
[04:19] <mhz> nope, impossible :(
[04:19] <Lord_Athur> ok
[04:37] <mhz> ooohhh, this looks VERY interesting
[04:37] <mhz> http://ipcf.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[04:38] <jsgotangco> mhz, http://www.flickr.com/photos/headgeekette
[04:45] <Infinity-1> can someone tell me the command for the apt-get edubuntu-desktop
[04:46] <Infinity-1> I think I am only missing one word
[04:46] <Infinity-1> apt-get edubuntu-desktop
[04:46] <jouni__m> Infinity-1 apt-get install edubuntu-desktop I think
[04:46] <Infinity-1> ahh install  thanks I'll try it
[04:47] <Infinity-1> with sudo at the beginning!
[04:47] <Infinity-1> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[04:47] <Lord_Athur> Infinity-1, can't I install the edubuntu-desktop meta-package from debian?
[04:47] <Infinity-1> hmmm lots of broken dependencies
[04:48] <Infinity-1> dunno, I am just installing ubuntu on my laptop myself
[04:48] <Infinity-1> got it working finally 10 minutes ago after a week of head banging
[04:48] <Infinity-1> I am on it right now here
[04:49] <Lord_Athur> mhz,  can't I install the edubuntu-desktop meta-package from debian?
[04:50] <Infinity-1> I also have 414 updates available to be installed. So I guess I sould complete those first
[04:51] <Infinity-1> I'll be back!
[04:54] <mhz> Lord_Athur: if your 'edubuntu'desktop' is not in the results of "apt- cache search edubuntu-desktop", then it is not there.
[04:56] <Lord_Athur> mhz, it isn't
[04:56] <Lord_Athur> :P
[04:56] <MrSuper34> hello
[04:58] <mhz> Lord_Athur: and I doubt it will be part of debian repos
[04:58] <mhz> because Edubuntu is a customization of many things for Ubuntu systems
[04:58] <mhz> and ubuntu is not = debian
[04:59] <jsgotangco> :P
[04:59] <MrSuper34> where i find a list of educational softwares included in edubuntu 5.10?
[04:59] <Lord_Athur> :O
[04:59] <mhz> MrSuper34: gimme a sec to get you an url
[04:59] <mhz> MrSuper34: wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList
[04:59] <mhz> ;p
[05:00] <mhz> MrSuper34: but please consider this list corresponds to the apps. shipped in the cd, not the huge repository of edu apps.
[05:00] <MrSuper34> tks
[05:02] <MrSuper34> ok
[05:03] <MrSuper34> Do you have a solution for installing KDE as a default environment on Edubuntu?
[05:04] <mhz> yup
[05:04] <mhz> KDE is just a desktop
[05:05] <mhz> so, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will give you a full KDE 'ubuntised'
[05:07] <MrSuper34> ok but I like to make KDE a DEFAULT desktop of Edubuntu...can anyone help me to do this?
[05:08] <MrSuper34> ok but... if I install KUbuntu over EdUbuntu, did I loose any Edubuntu's educational applications?
[05:09] <jouni__m> MrSuper34 then choose session KDE from gdm menu (or kdm) .Log in and it asks if you want KDE for default session.
[05:09] <mhz> you mean, everytime you boot X you want KDE to be default environement?
[05:09] <mhz> MrSuper34: no, you don't loose a thing
[05:10] <mhz> MrSuper34: edubuntu is mainly a LTSP implementation + edu apps + GUI's
[05:11] <MrSuper34> but... don't have any educational applications in EdUbuntu wich run only on Gnome desktop?
[05:13] <mhz> even if we did, you dont lose a thing because you already have gnome installed or not? And besides, APT is so clever that will install dependencies needed
[05:17] <MrSuper34> ok...thank you very much... i'm going to download right now!
[05:17] <mhz> and we'll be here is your system crashes :D
[05:18] <MrSuper34> :)))
[05:22] <mhz> MrSuper34: sorry, i had to be mean for a moment :D
[05:22] <mhz> don't worry, it will be ok
[06:00] <mhz> ogra: ping
[06:01] <mhz> ogra: maybe you could take a look at this http://ltsp-thinadmin.sourceforge.net/english/index.html#about
[06:01] <mhz> That guy is Mr. Edulinux
[10:17] <qwizzz> Hello?
[10:17] <mhz> hi
[10:18] <qwizzz> lol  I've been a network/PC tech/admin/consultant since 1997 and this is the first time I've used IRC.
[10:19] <qwizzz> I have a question about terminal server clients logging in.
[10:19] <qwizzz> Can anyone help?
[10:21] <qwizzz> mhz?  Know anything about ltsp in edubuntu?
[10:21] <mhz> qwizzz: the idea of IRC is that after you say hi, you usually shoot your questions and anyone reads it and responds if available or know
[10:22] <mhz> qwizzz: yes, a little
[10:22] <qwizzz> Oh... okay.
[10:23] <mhz> qwizzz: oh, welcome to IRC, BTW :)
[10:29] <qwizzz> Well I have a server machine up and running with two NIC's... (thanks for the welcome :) ) ...and the client sees the server, pulls down an IP and boots...
[10:29] <qwizzz> but then I cannot login on the client.
[10:30] <mhz> qwizzz: which version of edubuntu?
[10:31] <qwizzz> mhz: breezy 5.10
[10:32] <mhz> qwizzz: so clients get IP?
[10:32] <mhz> but can't login?
[10:32] <qwizzz> yep, I can even ping them from the server.
[10:32] <qwizzz> I only have two users on the server.
[10:33] <mhz> okis
[10:33] <mhz> qwizzz: in the server, try this $ ltsp-update-sshkeys
[10:33] <mhz> then try to login from clients
[10:34] <qwizzz> should I restart any services or reboot the client?
[10:34] <mhz> qwizzz: no need
[10:34] <mhz> let's see what happens fisrt
[10:38] <Infinity-1> is there a command I can run to repair an installation or restart an installation from cdrom?
[10:39] <qwizzz> mhz I lOVE YOU!
[10:39] <mhz> qwizzz: good!!!
[10:39] <qwizzz> lol needless to say it worked.
[10:43] <Infinity-1> is there any install file I can run from the cd
[10:43] <mhz> Infinity-1: hmm, can you provide more details?
[10:43] <Infinity-1> I installed Ubuntu network install
[10:44] <Infinity-1> but it is not able to run Gnome desktop anymore
[10:44] <Infinity-1> it worked once
[10:44] <Infinity-1> I am on thinkpad 570
[10:44] <Infinity-1> I finally figured out that nemagic / 60Hz / 800x600 seems to work
[10:44] <Infinity-1> but it took a long time to load
[10:45] <Infinity-1> now I can't even run startx
[10:45] <Infinity-1> so I was wondering if i could restart the install from command line in linux using the install cd
[10:45] <Infinity-1> mount cdrom
[10:45] <Infinity-1> oops wrong pc sorry! lol
[10:46] <mhz> Infinity-1: aahhhh, now i see
[10:46] <mhz> Infinity-1: you want to re-configure X ?
[10:46] <qwizzz> one more question though..  the original user account created during the OS install, the semi-root one, can log on to the terminals
[10:46] <mhz> yup
[10:46] <mhz> qwizzz: the beauty of LTSP
[10:46] <Infinity-1> I tried   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:46] <qwizzz> but the second account I created cannot.
[10:47] <mhz> is that everyuser that exists on Server side
[10:47] <mhz> will login in terminals
[10:47] <Infinity-1> that worked originally but now it doesn't
[10:47] <mhz> ohhh
[10:47] <Infinity-1> I would like to even re-install Gnome Desktop but can't find the package name
[10:47] <mhz> qwizzz: IF a user is already logged in, you cant use it from terminal
[10:48] <mhz> i guess, dapper is solving that
[10:48] <mhz> Infinity-1: then apt-cache search gnome
[10:48] <mhz> Infinity-1: you'll see many results
[10:48] <mhz> Infinity-1: you find the package name for the desktop
[10:48] <Infinity-1> ok I'll try that
[10:49] <mhz> Infinity-1: and then, apt-get remove gnome-desktop (if that's the name)
[10:49] <Infinity-1> can't even mount cdrom anymore - says not in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[10:49] <Infinity-1> it's getting  worse!
[10:49] <mhz> and apt-get install gnome-desktop
[10:49] <mhz> Infinity-1: how do you mount cdrom?
[10:49] <mhz> and what installation did you perform?
[10:50] <Infinity-1> last time I booted I just typed "mount cdrom" and it worked fine
[10:50] <mhz> mount /cdrom
[10:50] <Infinity-1> thanks that worked!
[10:50] <mhz> Infinity-1: mount command will read the file /etc/fstab
[10:50] <Infinity-1> I now have access to the install cd
[10:50] <mhz> hehehe
[10:51] <Infinity-1> looking for gnome desktop pkg now
[10:53] <Infinity-1> seem to be missing all kinds of dependent pkgs
[10:53] <qwizzz> mhz seriously, thank you... I am very young and very new to linux.  I've been reading a LOT but there is just so much... 
[10:53] <mhz> qwizzz: i appreciate your feelings. You're welcome
[10:53] <mhz> qwizzz: and yes, there are lots to learn
[10:53] <mhz> thats the beauty of this
[10:53] <mhz> there are many ways to do same things
[10:54] <Infinity-1> lol - I only want one that works!
[10:54] <mhz> and there's always new needs to solve
[10:54] <qwizzz> Yeah,  I am literally in love with edubuntu and Open Source overall
[10:54] <mhz> hehehe
[10:54] <mhz> me too
[10:54] <mhz> Infinity-1: but maybe you are doing something wrong or have something missing
[10:55] <mhz> and from here it is kind of difficult to tell
[10:55] <qwizzz> I am THE PC guy for my old high school... its charter and I am basically the only Techie there
[10:56] <Infinity-1> Well, I'll keep trying. Just don't want to have to take my hard drive out again mount it onto PC, install windows98, then install grub, then do network install just to get back to where I already am!
[10:56] <Infinity-1> Why can't i just install EdUbuntu or Ubuntu from linux command line using Ubuntu CD
[10:57] <mhz> Infinity-1: you can if you use Dapper instead of Breezy
[10:57] <Infinity-1> I can install windows from windows, but I can't install linux from Linux! Go figure
[10:57] <Infinity-1> Dapper?
[10:57] <Infinity-1> is that another version of Ubuntu?
[10:58] <mhz> qwizzz: we always try to be here to help or cheer up people but manytimes people are doing something else or sleeping
[10:58] <mhz> Infinity-1: is the latest version
[10:58] <mhz> Infinity-1: I have installed Linux from Linux many times
[10:58] <Infinity-1> Can I install it from Linux command line?
[10:58] <mhz> and even the 1st ubuntu
[10:59] <mhz> yes, you can even install it via rsync
[10:59] <mhz> :D
[10:59] <Infinity-1> ok, thanks - I'll go burn it! 
[10:59] <mhz> hehehe
[11:02] <qwizzz> You have any advice on some type of groupware for  school?  I like schooltool but I don't know if it's enough.
[11:05] <mhz> qwizzz: what you need?
[11:07] <qwizzz> I'll let you know in 20.. :D
[11:07] <mhz_BackIn20> heheh
[11:07] <mhz_BackIn20> thx