[12:01] <trispace> tuxius: what's the problem?
[12:01] <kernel_i386> does anyone know a well supported mp3 player for linux (except ipod)?
[12:02] <kameron> kernel_i386, xmms
[12:02] <kernel_i386> eh.. sorry - I meant hardware mp3 player
[12:02] <trispace> kernel_i386: iriver for example
[12:02] <kameron> kernel_i386, oh.. the irivers work don't they?
[12:02] <kernel_i386> ah, okay perfect
[12:02] <kernel_i386> pretty expensive they are.. but then I will consider to buy one of those
[12:03] <trispace> kernel_i386: but look for a player that supports usb-mass-storage protocol
[12:03] <kameron> kernel_i386, but if you're looking for something smaller, built on flash memory instead of hard drives like irivers, i'm not sure.
[12:03] <kernel_i386> indeed trispace
[12:03] <kurr> i installed kubuntu-desktop, but now whenever i try to log back using the gnome windows manager, it doesnt work
[12:03] <doctormo> hey all got a new machine and I ned to ssh into it, kubuntu disabled ssh? how can I enable it?
[12:03] <kernel_i386> yeah.. kubuntu disabled ssh here as well..
[12:03] <kernel_i386> I'd need to reboot it to gain back access to it.. quite strange
[12:04] <trispace> doctormo: /etc/init.d/ssh start does what?
[12:04] <_vandal> doctormo look in the package manager for openssh server
[12:04] <_vandal> doctormo: in adept
[12:04] <`Nomad> arghhhhhhhh!!   The printer is there, everything, bu tit says it can't an acceptable printer.. I used a USB port that I know works, and tried the other port just now to be safe..
[12:04] <`Nomad> I<ve never been so frustrated trying to get a printer to work in linux
[12:05] <_vandal> trispace: the package wasn't installed by default on my system
[12:05] <kernel_i386>  * Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server...                                                                                                                   Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key
[12:05] <trispace> _vandal: ok, thats another story :)
[12:05] <doctormo> already installed
[12:05] <_vandal> i installed mine from adept
[12:05] <_vandal> it's all running automatically
[12:06] <_vandal> i actually just did it about 20 seconds ago
[12:06] <trispace> kernel_i386: is /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key there?
[12:07] <kernel_i386> ya
[12:07] <kernel_i386> dunno
[12:07] <trispace> kernel_i386: just take a look
[12:07] <doctormo> kernel_i386: try sudo
[12:08] <cbo> hello ppl, does some one know what's the meaning of "RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address". after "ifup eth1"
[12:18] <tuxius> i NEED SOM HELP, I AM __DESPERATE__
[12:18] <doctormo> what's up?
[12:19] <slow-motion> n8
[12:19] <tuxius> i cant get neither eth0 wierd connection or ra0 wireless connection work
[12:19] <tuxius> and i need help
[12:19] <owner> !tell tuxius about help
[12:20] <doctormo> tuxius: eh
[12:21] <tuxius> doctormo: Do you do eth configs?
[12:21] <tuxius> doctormo: Can you something about it?
[12:21] <kameron> anyone give me a hand with this.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7920  -- not upgrading to latest packages for some reason, they're being 'held back'
[12:21] <kkathman> tuxius:  run sudo dhclient eth0
[12:22] <tuxius> kkathman: ill trie it
[12:22] <tuxius> try
[12:22] <Lord_Athur> is there a program made with c++ on kubuntu?
[12:22] <Lord_Athur> can anybody tell me one easy to modify and used under the terminal environment?
[12:23] <_vandal> is there a graphical apache config for kubuntu?
[12:23] <tuxius> socet: Address family not supported by protocol - make sure '(socket Filtering) are enabled in your kernel configuration
[12:23] <`Nomad> If I remove cupsys it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop???
[12:24] <`Nomad> !help
[12:24] <Lord_Athur> kubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package
[12:24] <kameron> yeah, that's a kind of weird thing that happens Nomad. it's because cupsys was a part of the kubuntu-desktop.
[12:25] <`Nomad> I think I CTRL-Ced it in time
[12:25] <`Nomad> I hate CUPS!
[12:25] <`Nomad> I soo really do  :(
[12:26] <tuxius> DAMN I GET PIST OF
[12:26] <tuxius> IM NOT MEANING TO LET MY ANGER OUT OF YOURS
[12:26] <tuxius> but damn
[12:26] <`Nomad> years of working as a sysadmin and I can't figure it out!!  I have to have a windows machine just so I can print.. That's not right!  I'm going to end up in therapy  hehehe
[12:27] <tuxius> i have troublet with this now for a week
[12:27] <tuxius> just sitting here troubleing
[12:27] <tuxius> and im going crazy
[12:27] <`Nomad> yup, join the club ;)
[12:27] <trispace> `Nomad: what about rising the cupsd debuglevel?
[12:27] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: i don't knowwhat your question is, so I'll give a random answer
[12:27] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: do ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up
[12:28] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: can vi talk priv?
[12:28] <tuxius> to irc im a real noob
[12:28] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: better ifyou talk here, then someone else might be able to help
[12:28] <tuxius> how do i register
[12:29] <tuxius> ok
[12:29] <tuxius> it looks like it finds my wireless card
[12:29] <`Nomad> debuglevel?
[12:29] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: deal with ethernet first. you said you had a problem with it?
[12:29] <tuxius> yeah
[12:29] <tuxius> i cant get ip from dhcp
[12:29] <trispace> `Nomad: yeah, afaik you're using cups, right?
[12:30] <`Nomad> I was looking through the logs, everything seems to check out, but when I use the KDE interface to restart the server for example, it says it doesn't find a cups server.. but it's running
[12:30] <Nirvana> tuxius: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[12:30] <`Nomad> trispace: Do I have a choice?  :)
[12:30] <`Nomad> give m elpr anytime
[12:30] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: does what nirvana said help?
[12:31] <tuxius> couldnt read interface file
[12:31] <trispace> `Nomad: are you sure that its running? as i said, change the LogLevel to a debug or debug2 in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and look at the logfile
[12:31] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: sounds like you've got the wrong syntax in it
[12:31] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: do "dhclient eth0"
[12:32] <tuxius> socet: Address family not supported by protocol - make sure '(socket Filtering) are enabled in your kernel configuration
[12:32] <Nirvana> tuxius: post the output of "cat /etc/network/interfaces; ifconfig" on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:32] <`Nomad> changes I make to cupsd.conf are not there next time I go in..
[12:32] <JohnFlux_> Nirvana: use "ifconfig -a"
[12:32] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: ^^
[12:32] <Nirvana> tuxius: post the output of "cat /etc/network/interfaces; ifconfig -a" on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:33] <tuxius> how can i
[12:33] <tuxius> i cant get internett on the pc
[12:33] <trispace> `Nomad: ?
[12:33] <tuxius> so i cant past it
[12:33] <JohnFlux_> oh haha
[12:33] <`Nomad> ok, I set it to debug2, teh highest level :)
[12:33] <`Nomad> checked it, it's thee..
[12:33] <`Nomad> there
[12:33] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: do:  ifconfig eth0 up           does that give an error?
[12:33] <trispace> `Nomad: ok, then do a sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[12:33] <Nirvana> tuxius: umm, do you have floppies? something to transfer stuff between the PCs?
[12:33] <tuxius> nope
[12:33] <tuxius> no
[12:34] <tuxius> but i got a dvd burner ^^ :P XD
[12:34] <nekostar> heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ;)
[12:34] <JohnFlux_> nekostar: oh no
[12:34] <Nirvana> bonjour
[12:34] <tuxius> Nirvana: why do you ask?
[12:35] <nekostar> question guys: friend just installed kubuntu and i can't ssh into it... do i need to actually sudo apt-get install ssh ?
[12:35] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: answer my question
[12:35] <tuxius> it gets no error
[12:35] <nekostar> or does kubuntu use another protocol i can axx from my ubuntu machine by default
[12:35] <bimberi> nekostar: yes
[12:35] <nekostar> oic
[12:35] <tuxius> No error no error
[12:35] <nekostar> its not in the default list eh
[12:35] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: okay.  when you do "dhclient eth0" then you get that protocol error?
[12:36] <nekostar> and is there a list of the extra proggies that the kubuntu gui installs over the server install?
[12:36] <bimberi> nekostar: yes, (k)ubuntu doesn't install anything by default that listens on external ports
[12:36] <tuxius> yes
[12:36] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: yes i get
[12:36] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: it sound like this
[12:36] <Nirvana> tuxius: I asked because you could do  "cat /etc/network/interfaces; ifconfig -a > textfile.txt" and paste that at pastebin
[12:36] <nekostar> gotcha bimberi .. i thought that the ubuntu one did so i didnt tell the guy to install that lol..
[12:36] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: socet: Address family not supported by protocol - make sure '(socket Filtering) are enabled in your kernel configuration
[12:36] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: do modprobe af_packet
[12:37] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: then repeat the dhclient eth0
[12:37] <bimberi> nekostar: openssh-client is installed, but not openssh-server (both are dependencies of the 'ssh' package)
[12:38] <tuxius> FATAL: could not load /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[12:38] <Nirvana> no one here might be able to help me with a little dependancy problem would they?
[12:38] <bimberi> nekostar: 'apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop' will show the direct dependencies.  It won't show lower level dependencies that the server install doesn't have though.  It will give you some idea though
[12:39] <nekostar> yeah that works goot.. i can use deborphan or the like to run through those right
[12:39] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: ah good we are getting somewhere
[12:39] <fatbrain> can I install .rpm packages on kubuntu?
[12:39] <Nirvana> fatbrain: yes, but you need alien to convert them
[12:39] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: what do you mean with that?
[12:39] <dark_suic> fatbrain, what u wanna install?
[12:39] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: did you change your kernel, or install a new one, or something?
[12:39] <fatbrain> synergy2.sf.net
[12:39] <fatbrain> it's a tool to share mouse-keyboard among computers.
[12:39] <tuxius> i changed interfaces file after a guide that was suppose to work
[12:40] <tuxius> and dumb as i was i didnt backup it
[12:40] <kameron> anyone else find the kamera package is broken and won't install?
[12:40] <fatbrain> Nirvana: how do I convert them using... alien?
[12:41] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: upgrade to kernel 2.6.12-10-386
[12:41] <bimberi> nekostar: not sure, i don't know deborphan
[12:41] <Nirvana> fatbrain: sudo apt-get install alien
[12:41] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: oh wait nm
[12:41] <tuxius> i got now internett card working on it
[12:41] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: how?
[12:41] <Nirvana> fatbrain: then alien --to-deb <PKG_NAME.RPM>
[12:41] <fatbrain> Nirvana: thanks.
[12:41] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: have you misunderstood everything? I cant get internet, wierd or wireless
[12:42] <fatbrain> Nirvana: a follow-up question, how do I install a .deb?
[12:42] <Nirvana> fatbrain: then sudo dpkg -i <PKG_NAME>.deb
[12:42] <tuxius> therefor i cant upgrade kernel
[12:42] <fatbrain> Nirvana: heh, thanks ;)
[12:42] <Nirvana> lol
[12:42] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: do:    apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-9-386
[12:42] <JohnFlux_> that should be on the dvd
[12:42] <JohnFlux_> or cd or whatever
[12:42] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: it _should_ say it's already installed
[12:43] <tuxius> yes, it does
[12:43] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: strange. reinstall it
[12:43] <`Nomad> trispace: you still here?
[12:43] <erhan_R> man there is  linux-image-2.6.12-10-38 too
[12:43] <trispace> `Nomad: yeah
[12:44] <tuxius> i dont think i would work better, why should it, ive reinstalled it three fu^32)=# times
[12:44] <`Nomad> I set debug to highest level, was watching the logs go by.  Then suddenly it stopped logging abotu 5 minutes ago..
[12:44] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: do:    apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.12-9-386
[12:44] <`Nomad> I re-installed the printer since, send test jobs to it, etc..  nothing
[12:44] <tuxius> ok
[12:44] <JohnFlux_> `Nomad no disk space ? :)
[12:44] <trispace> JohnFlux_: ;)
[12:45] <trispace> `Nomad: is the cupsd process still there?
[12:45] <`Nomad> I just restarted, now logging again.. sigh..
[12:45] <`Nomad> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/536194
[12:46] <`Nomad> I appreciate your help, I soo need to get this thing working.. My windows machine's HD is dying, there's no way I'm going to buy a new HD just to be able to print with my new printer  :(
[12:46] <fatbrain> How would I resolve an error message "synergyc: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" ?
[12:46] <`Nomad> line 22 to 29 just keep repeating with different numbers, 7, etc..
[12:47] <`Nomad> fatbrain: loks like you need to install libstdc++
[12:47] <trispace> `Nomad: you could try to attach strace to the cupsd process with strace -p <pid>
[12:48] <fatbrain> `Nomad: I tried to install libstdc++6, but I got an message stating it was already installed.
[12:48] <`Nomad> trispace: can you read the output of that strace?
[12:49] <trispace> `Nomad: maybe
[12:49] <tuxius> doesnt work
[12:49] <tuxius> gets an error
[12:49] <tuxius> cant lock listmap
[12:49] <tuxius> map is closed
[12:49] <trispace> `Nomad: i've done a couple of debuggings withh it
[12:50] <`Nomad> output seems normal, let me grab some then and pastebin it
[12:50] <trispace> `Nomad: ok
[12:51] <kameron> anyone have troubles getting the kde screensaver to run?
[12:51] <`Nomad> allright, I'm officially losing my mind.. Why is this not sending the output to gg.txt?     http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/536194
[12:51] <`Nomad> oops..
[12:51] <`Nomad> brb
[12:51] <`Nomad> sudo strace -p 13591 > gg.txt
[12:52] <trispace> sudo strace -p 13591 2>&1 > gg.txt
[12:52] <`Nomad> but still, it should work no?
[12:52] <`Nomad> I guess I still don't grasp all the differences from a redhat family of systems
[12:53] <`Nomad> coming to debian
[12:53] <chope> hi, i replaced my switch for a router, but now i'm not being able to connect to the internet.. in Windows i had to configure a new connection, and select the "allways active internet connection", how could I do this in kubuntu? pd. samba works fine
[12:53] <`Nomad> trispace: your line doesn't work either
[12:54] <trispace> `Nomad: let me check (its 00:54 here, so i'm a little bit sleepy ;)
[12:54] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: when you do that apt-get install, it says it can't lock listmap, map is closed?
[12:54] <tuxius> yes
[12:54] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: hmmmm
[12:55] <`Nomad> and i'm sick, maybe I should just give up one more time.. come back to it in a week ;)
[12:55] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: When I started the installation of the linux kernel i tought it was just to modprobe the card, but i was terrible wrong or?
[12:55] <trispace> `Nomad: sorry, there is a "-o filename" option. Use that one
[12:56] <`Nomad> ahh ok..
[12:56] <chope> no ideas?
[12:56] <tuxius> Is it normal to have such big problem to get a network card working? Or  is it just the RT2500 chipset that is crap?
[12:57] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: this has nothing to do with the network card
[12:57] <trispace> `Nomad: because the redirection affects the traced program not strace itself
[12:57] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: apt-get install should not have failed
[12:57] <tuxius> i know
[12:57] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: do "apt-cache search linux-image"   which options does it offer?
[12:57] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: the entire problem is from a corrupted kernel image install
[12:58] <`Nomad> ahhh
[12:58] <_vandal> is there a samba config gui for kubuntu?
[12:58] <`Nomad> thanks
[12:58] <_vandal> besides swat...
[12:58] <tuxius> so if i format the whole disc (yet another time, you garantee it will work in the end?)?
[12:58] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: who knows ;)
[12:58] <`Nomad> In printer settings, the printer keeps going off, so I started it a few times to let that log
[12:59] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: do the search command thing
[12:59] <tuxius> hmm
[12:59] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: Is network a major problem in linux?
[12:59] <chope> does anybody know how to disable iptables?
[12:59] <trispace> tuxius: i don't think so
[01:00] <JohnFlux_> chope: iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F;
[01:00] <fatbrain> how can I add a source so I can download packages from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/synergy/ ?
[01:00] <tuxius> ok, but the windows kernel must have a much better car supports etc?!
[01:00] <tuxius> *card
[01:00] <fatbrain> ( without the last / )
[01:01] <tuxius> Im switching to GNU/HURD when its released
[01:01] <chope> JohnFlux_: I tried the first one, should I run the second one also?
[01:01] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: What has that got to do with anything?
[01:01] <JohnFlux_> chope: you can do:  iptables -L; iptables -t nat  -L; iptables -t mangle -L
[01:01] <JohnFlux_> chope: that will list them all, and you  check it's all good
[01:01] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: nothing actually, but im so frustrated, tierd and more tierd
[01:01] <JohnFlux_> chope: good=empty
[01:02] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: I can see why.  something got seriously corrupted.  My instinct is a hardware problem
[01:03] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: at the moment i put the likely hood of it being hardware problem or software problem to be about equal
[01:03] <tuxius> hmm, yeah, the hardware is just two months old, but i asume its a crap and I did a bad deal
[01:03] <JohnFlux_> chope: do the -L   and check the rules are all ACCEPT
[01:03] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: which hardware?
[01:03] <tuxius> all of it, the whole laptop
[01:03] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: It's either memory, mobo, cpu, or hard disk  if it's hardware
[01:03] <tuxius> Packard (crap)Bell
[01:04] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: try reinstalling
[01:04] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: actually wait for a moment
[01:04] <chope> JohnFlux_: I think thats fine, it says 'ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere'
[01:05] <chope> JohnFlux_: however internet is still not working
[01:05] <JohnFlux_> chope: then it's 'off'
[01:05] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: hmm... i think its wierd that it works in windows but not in linux, therefor i assume its not a hardwareproblem or?
[01:05] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: they test different hardware paths
[01:05] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: it's sounds unlikely I know, but a lot of people, for example, have problems compiling their kernel, or playing certain games
[01:06] <tuxius> I'm not into games
[01:06] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: just because that certain thing hits some particular hardware path that has a problem
[01:06] <chope> JohnFlux_: how could i put it 'on'.. smb is working so the connection to the router is fine and the router is connected to the internet because im using it from this win box
[01:06] <tuxius> I just want a stable Pc that doesnt hang, cuz when ive had windows installed in a month it hangs everytime i do something without typing
[01:06] <JohnFlux_> chope: i don't know what you mean
[01:07] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: hmmm, windows hangs often?
[01:07] <trispace> tuxius: well, if your hardware isn't really reliable Linux can't do the trick
[01:07] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: I think you should run a memory test
[01:07] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: download  memtest86  iso, burn to disk, then boot that and leave it running over night
[01:07] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: maybe not so often, but it is slow, ive done so, ive runned a memtest, the memory is fine
[01:07] <chope> JohnFlux_: i mean all the cables and hardware is fine.. that its some soft problem
[01:08] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: oh hmm.
[01:08] <JohnFlux_> chope: explain what's not working exactly
[01:08] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: i just think its windows, windows is bad, only good about it is the support, it supports all hardware and detects it automaticly
[01:08] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: I think it's hardware :)
[01:09] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: is it outside warrantee?
[01:09] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: you can try reinstalling linux
[01:09] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: have you run a lowlevel disk check?
[01:10] <tuxius> JohnFlux_: yeah, ill se tomorrow, in norway its night here. But am i understanding you right when i say: some hardware is supportet by windows only or?
[01:10] <JohnFlux_> tuxius: you are correct - usually only the wireless has problems
[01:10] <chope> JohnFlux: if from konqueror i try to get to the internet or my router (http) it fails, however i can reach my win boxes by samba
[01:11] <tuxius> mhm, thats what i tought
[01:11] <wolf> omg
[01:11] <wolf> will someone help me?
[01:11] <tuxius> but isnt it very strange that the wierd connection also doesnt work?
[01:11] <JohnFlux_> chope: have you set the gateway?
[01:11] <wolf> I moved my whole bin to my desktop, lol. I feel like an idiot, I can't launch stuff now, including sudo, how do I move it back?
[01:12] <JohnFlux_> chope: do your windows machines need to go through an http:proxy
[01:12] <wolf> Anyone?
[01:12] <JohnFlux_> wolf: heh
[01:12] <brodel> sorry wolf. I have no idea how to fix that.
[01:12] <brodel> sounds like fun though :)
[01:13] <wolf> This sucks..
[01:13] <LeeJunFan> mv it back, just specify the path to mv.
[01:13] <chope> JohnFlux_: yes gateway seems to be fine, and no, no proxy
[01:13] <wolf> I did, I dont have permissions.
[01:13] <wolf> And sudo is in the bin
[01:13] <LeeJunFan> ah yes, that ads to the suckage.
[01:13] <JohnFlux_> go into the directory, then do ./sudo
[01:13] <JohnFlux_> chope: can you ping the gateway?
[01:13] <LeeJunFan> yeah, if sudo's security will let it.
[01:14] <tuxius> I quit now thanks for you help JohnFlux_ ..
[01:15] <wolf> JohnFlux_, What do you mean?
[01:15] <chope> JohnFlux_: ill try... its 'ping GATEWAYIP'?
[01:16] <JohnFlux_> chope: yes
[01:16] <fatbrain> how can I install "XTest library"?
[01:16] <LeeJunFan> wolf: cd to the dir where sudo is and run ./sudo
[01:16] <JohnFlux_> wolf: in the console, do ~/Destop/sudo
[01:17] <JohnFlux_> wolf: in the console, do ~/Desktop/sudo
[01:17] <JohnFlux_> or what LeeJunFan says
[01:17] <JohnFlux_> uh
[01:17] <JohnFlux_> wolf: sudo is in /usr/bin
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> dammit, not being able to use cups in dapper/kde is aggrivating.
[01:18] <JohnFlux_> wolf: did you move /usr/bin  or /bin ?
[01:18] <wolf> bin
[01:18] <chope> JohnFlux_: it says ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted
[01:18] <wolf> /usr/bin
[01:19] <JohnFlux_> chope: *blink*   ping should be setuid root.  did you change anything?  add any security package?
[01:19] <manuel> hi
[01:19] <kurr> how do i change my default windows manager to gnome? when i installed the kubuntu-desktop, there was an option to choose.. so i'd like to change it back to gnome now
[01:19] <JohnFlux_> chope: su to root and try again
[01:19] <manuel> mac!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:20] <wolf> how do I rename a file?
[01:20] <wolf> in the terminal
[01:20] <LeeJunFan> mv it
[01:20] <JohnFlux_> kurr: dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <manuel> apple !!!!!
[01:20] <LeeJunFan> wolf: mv [file now]  [new filename] 
[01:20] <JohnFlux_> wolf:  ~/Desktop/bin/sudo mv ~/Desktop/bin /usr
[01:21] <LeeJunFan> gotta run, bbl.
[01:21] <chope> JohnFlux_: same error, not sure if i changed anything
[01:21] <JohnFlux_> wolf: something like that
[01:21] <JohnFlux_> chope: as root, you can't ping your gateway
[01:21] <JohnFlux_> hmmm
[01:21] <chope> JohnFlux_: nope
[01:21] <JohnFlux_> chope: that's very strange
[01:22] <JohnFlux_> chope: do "route -n"   does it have the ip of your gateway there?
[01:22] <JohnFlux_> chope: it should say something like: 0.0.0.0  192.168.0.1  0.0.0.0 .....
[01:23] <JohnFlux_> or whatever the gw ip is
[01:24] <chope> JohnFlux_: it has 0.0.0.0 as gateway but then on destination 0.0.0.0 the gateway is fine
[01:24] <chope> JohnFlux_: yeah thats it
[01:25] <kurr> JohnFlux_: whats suppose to happen after that? I get a blank line
[01:25] <JohnFlux_> kurr: that's correct.  it should be working now
[01:25] <JohnFlux_> kurr: do just "sudo ls"  or something and check it finds the path correctly
[01:26] <chope> JohnFlux_: i saw something weird on the DHCP Client List in the routers web interface.. the linux box appears with the user name of the windows installation on that pc (dual boot).. not ubuntu
[01:26] <JohnFlux_> chope: yes that's correct
[01:26] <JohnFlux_> chope: (the route info)
[01:27] <JohnFlux_> chope: it possibly got the name from the samba naming daemon
[01:28] <chope> JohnFlux_: so i shouldn't worry about that right?
[01:28] <kameron> anyone have troubles getting the kde screensaver to run?
[01:28] <lauro> Hello
[01:28] <mcsteels> is there a database shop builder software for ubuntu?
[01:28] <JohnFlux_> chope: don't think so
[01:29] <JohnFlux_> chope: google for the error you get from ping
[01:30] <mcsteels> is there a database shop builder software for ubuntu?
[01:30] <chope> JohnFlux_: ok ill try that. i have to go now.. thanks a lot
[01:31] <unholy> Hi folks. I'm thinking of switching to Kubuntu and I'm curious as to what OS you all were using before (k)ubuntu? I'm using Mandriva myself.
[01:31] <mcsteels> unholy: windows:P
[01:32] <kameron> unholy, i used mandriva, and yellowdog before moving over
[01:32] <JohnFlux_> unholy: I was using mandrake
[01:32] <kameron> well, mandrake more accurately yes.
[01:32] <mcsteels> unholy: gentoo, fedora, suse..... back to ubuntu;)
[01:32] <JohnFlux_> unholy: but got annoyed that i couldn't apt-get upgrade from mandrake 9 to mandriva or even mandrake 10
[01:33] <JohnFlux_> unholy: since I had to burn a dvd and reinstall to upgrade anyway, I went for ubuntu
[01:33] <unholy> wow, it must be good!
[01:33] <fd> hi all! which bittorrent client do you recommend for linux?
[01:33] <mcsteels> unholy: ubuntu is the smoothest and easiest to use i have found
[01:33] <mcsteels> fd: azureus
[01:33] <kameron> fd: azureus
[01:34] <kameron> mcsteels, ;)
[01:34] <JohnFlux_> fd: azureaus eats huge amounts of memory though
[01:34] <JohnFlux_> fd: but I use it anyway for multifile torrents
[01:34] <fatbrain> where can i find xtest library?
[01:34] <JohnFlux_> !ubotu find xtest
[01:34] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'xtest' (2 shown): paxtest ;; posixtestsuite.
[01:34] <mcsteels> JohnFlux_: true... in windows i used utorrent which is like azureus cept the mem eating:P
[01:34] <unholy> mcsteels: I'm definately going to try the bootable kubuntu with kde3.5.
[01:34] <kameron> fd: if you're concerned about resources, there are plenty of cli bt programs, like btdownloadcurses.. or lighter gui ones are out there
[01:34] <praotec> Hi, can I play avi,mpeg.. files in Kaffeine player? I need some codec, but I dont know from where install it. Can me someone help? Thanks
[01:34] <fd> fd, are there any alternatives? im not that kee on running javaapps on the desktop..
[01:35] <wolf> oh hell yeah
[01:35] <wolf> thanks guys
[01:35] <wolf> i love you
[01:35] <kameron> !tell paotec about gstreamer
[01:35] <JohnFlux_> wolf :) :)
[01:35] <fd> kameron: i really care about resources.. do you have names?
[01:35] <kameron> !tell paotec about gstream
[01:35] <kameron> fd:azureus is a favorite
[01:35] <kameron> wtf
[01:35] <kameron> fd:azureus is a codecs
[01:35] <JohnFlux_> wolf btw you shouldn't be using the desktop as root
[01:35] <JohnFlux_> wolf: assuming that's what you're doing
[01:35] <wolf> Lol I wasnt
[01:35] <kameron> !tell paotec about codecs
[01:35] <mcsteels> unholy: dont get me wrong I have had problems with ubuntu, but its so easy to get into..... with apt-get there isnt much you cant do... cept build a database shop with it:P
[01:35] <JohnFlux_> okay ;)
[01:36] <kameron> sorry paotec, took me a minute
[01:36] <wolf> I am was trying to mv a a file to bin and I messed up.
[01:36] <praotec> Yes, but I have installed it..
[01:36] <JohnFlux_> wolf hehe
[01:36] <praotec> ok..
[01:36] <kameron> praotec, installed w32codecs?
[01:37] <unholy> mcsteels: :) yes, I've seen in the forums that people have a lot of problems (as do all distros). I just cant get over the number of people that switched from mandriva. I'm running 2006 and its really easy to use.
[01:37] <unholy> So that has me really curious.
[01:38] <kameron> praotec,
[01:38] <kameron> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:38] <kameron> wtf, my comp is messing up.
[01:38] <kameron> unholy, i was dedicated mdk user since 8.x, but the 2005LE release was so bad, i had to move
[01:38] <kameron> unholy, but i have heard good things about 2006
[01:39] <mcsteels> unholy: I couldnt get into mandrake etc.... was like suse too much effort looking for rpms etc.... gentoo is good if you have the time to play with it but really easy to mess up
[01:39] <praotec> kameron: ok, Im going to try it...
[01:39] <unholy> kameron: true, 2005 was a bad year :). 2006 is far from perfect, but it is miles ahead of the previous versions. Even a little faster!
[01:40] <kameron> unholy, yeah, but everything in the mandriva world is "a little faster" than the rest (or so they say)
[01:40] <unholy> mcsteels: yes, Id like to try gentoo, but I really dont have the time to do much tweaking.
[01:40] <unholy> kameron: I didnt know that.
[01:40] <mcsteels> unholy: 1st time i tried to install it took me 17hrs and I messed up 1 of the 1st parts so it didnt work:S
[01:41] <unholy> I always do a clean install between releases, and 2006 was definately faster.
[01:41] <kameron> unholy, they always boast about having "optimized packages".. kind of like gentoo boasts
[01:41] <kurr> JohnFlux_: what was that dpkg command suppose to do?
[01:42] <kurr> JohnFlux_: im trying to make gnome my default manager, im currently using ubuntu and wanted to tryout the kde windows maanger
[01:42] <hawking> hi can someone tell me if you have arpd in /etc/rc2.d? I wonder if I have put it there or was it default?
[01:42] <unholy> What Ill probably do is use the live CD until  kubuntu comes out with kde 4. Thats going to be very nice.
[01:43] <kameron> hawking, i don't have it
[01:43] <hawking> kameron : thx
[01:44] <JohnFlux_> kurr: you should be able to select which distro in kdm
[01:44] <JohnFlux_> kurr: it's an option in a menu at the bottom
[01:46] <hawking> kameron : do you have somethin starting with nstx there?
[01:46] <kameron> hawking, no
[01:47] <hawking> kameron : thx again
[01:47] <kameron> :)
[01:51] <monteiro> is kde 3.5.1 stable ?
[01:52] <hawking> what should i do to stop a program from being executed at startup? should i remove it from all those /etc/rc0.d,/etc/rc1.d,/etc/rc2.d,../etc/rc6.d?
[01:52] <unholy> monteiro, I think the odd number means that its not.
[01:53] <unholy> Its usually a convention for developers to leave the last number odd if its not all wrapped up.
[01:53] <kameron> monteiro, yes, it is: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[01:53] <monteiro> unholy: ok, tks
[01:54] <unholy> monteiro: no problem :) seems I am wrong on this count!
[01:54] <monteiro> kameron: you're using it ?
[01:54] <monteiro> unholy: hehe
[01:54] <kameron> monteiro, nope
[01:54] <kameron> monteiro, but it is stable, from the release at least
[01:55] <monteiro> kameron : yes, i see, very good then :)
[01:57] <praotec> kameron: I installed w32codecs but problem isn't out :( When I launch .avi I obtain error message: "There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins"..
[01:57] <monteiro> praotec: i solved that problem right now
[01:58] <kameron> praotec, i don't think w32codecs is for kaffeine
[01:58] <monteiro> praotec: open kaffeine, go to Settings then engine, and choose the kaffeine engine
[01:58] <monteiro> kameron : if it has the xine engine yes it could be for kaffeine
[01:59] <monteiro> if you install kaffeine-xine
[01:59] <kameron> praotec, have you tried installing the gstreamer packages?
[01:59] <kameron> !restriced
[01:59] <ubotu> parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, kameron
[01:59] <kameron> wtf ubotu.
[01:59] <kameron> !restricted
[01:59] <ubotu> restricted is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[02:01] <praotec> monteiro: ok, I did it
[02:01] <praotec> kameron> yes, I have gstreamer installed..
[02:02] <monteiro> praotec : install kaffeine-xine if you want w32codecs working with it
[02:03] <hawking> can someone try to connect to my ftp server ? it's ftp://81.214.221.189
[02:04] <hawking> I want to try if it works
[02:04] <_vandal> works
[02:04] <_vge> yup
[02:04] <_vandal> asks for password
[02:04] <_vandal> etc..
[02:04] <hawking> _vandal : can you try anonymous for username and 123 for password?
[02:04] <hawking> I guess it might give 503
[02:05] <owner> 123 does not work hawking
[02:05] <_vandal> 503 errror yeah
[02:05] <ninjakin> hello people
[02:05] <hawking> the thing is it works when I connect from internal network
[02:06] <hawking> I can't understand why this happens
[02:06] <hawking> any ideas why this may be?
[02:06] <hawking> it's proftpd
[02:07] <ninjakin> i was wondering what all i need to run subverson. i have subverson and make do i need anything else? gcc? i dont know it that come with make or not as a depnd.
[02:08] <owner> hawking router/firewall
[02:08] <owner> you have to unblock port 21
[02:08] <owner> FTP port
[02:08] <hawking> owner : is this the reason? ... but you can see the authentication
[02:09] <owner> yea
[02:09] <owner> not sure
[02:09] <owner> but if you run a firewall you should have to unblock 21
[02:09] <owner> for an ftp server to work
[02:10] <praotec> monteiro: where I can download it? I dont see xine in my package (is updated) .. (Sorry my bad english..;)
[02:10] <hawking> owner : well if that had something to do with firewall .. then you wouldn't see the authentication right?
[02:10] <owner> good point
[02:11] <owner> do you use a router/firewall?
[02:11] <hawking> owner : I do
[02:13] <hawking> owner : how can i set an account so that it won't have any password? maybe this can help
[02:13] <monteiro> praotec: its working ?
[02:13] <owner> hawking its in the ftp server settings
[02:13] <owner> i dont really know
[02:13] <owner> enable anonymous access
[02:13] <hawking> hmm k I'll look into that
[02:13] <Sebastian> is there a k3b for windows?
[02:14] <praotec> where I can download xine? I dont see xine in my package (is updated) .. (Sorry my bad english..;)
[02:14] <hawking> Sebastian : don't ever say that word again
[02:15] <Sebastian> what word?
[02:15] <owner> sabastian the answer is no
[02:15] <Sebastian> i have both windows xp and kubuntu
[02:15] <hawking> Sebastian : starts with w
[02:15] <owner> but there is a nero for linux
[02:15] <Sebastian> i thought htere was a way of using kubuntu programs
[02:15] <Sebastian> on windos
[02:15] <Sebastian> nero sucks
[02:15] <Sebastian> thats why i want to get some open source better program for windows
[02:15] <owner> there was a kde cygwin project
[02:15] <owner> but it looks dead afaik
[02:16] <Sebastian> problem is i have some files on my windows partition i want to burn into this cd rw
[02:16] <Sebastian> but nero is a pain
[02:16] <Sebastian> any suggestions?
[02:16] <owner> use some other program
[02:16] <hawking> mount the windows partition
[02:16] <hawking> and burn with k3b
[02:17] <owner> yeah mount the ntfs partition
[02:17] <Sebastian> how do you mean? two OS in one partition?
[02:17] <Sebastian> no thanks
[02:17] <owner> lol
[02:17] <owner> !tell sebastian about ntfs
[02:17] <_grigory> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MountNTFSonBoot?highlight=%28ntfs%29
[02:17] <dark_suic> Sebastian, enter linux, mount windows partition and retrieve the data from windows
[02:18] <hawking> Sebastian : man mount
[02:18] <Sebastian> ok what is this
[02:18] <Sebastian> "mounting"
[02:19] <hawking> Sebastian : "man mount" rtfm!
[02:19] <_grigory> anyone uses ATi video cards here?
[02:20] <Sebastian> i am on windows xp currently, i dont have konsole or any such programs open therefore
[02:20] <rance> Sebastian, in linux if you have a floppy disk, or a cdrom and you want to access the files on it you need to merge the files on the cd into the file system tree of linux, and you do this by "mounting" device to a particular path on your file system
[02:20] <Sebastian> so basicly i would be "mounting" my harddrive
[02:20] <Sebastian> only the windows partition
[02:21] <owner> yes
[02:21] <rance> yes, windows does this automatically for you, but in linux while you can have it done automatically, you also have the option of doing it by hand, sometimes by hand gives you more control and is better
[02:22] <Sebastian> i wont lose any info
[02:22] <Sebastian> on either OS right?
[02:22] <owner> no
[02:22] <Sebastian> ok, keep in mind i am a kubuntu/linux noob, so i already accidentally deleted windows twice, once trying to install kubuntu and upgrading
[02:22] <owner> ntfs is only mounted read only
[02:23] <_grigory> if you won't do anything dumb, you won't. I'm using my 250 gb ntfs partition under linux all the time, nothing happened so far
[02:23] <rance> that was the thing about linux that I loved the most was that every thing in linux is controlled by a configuration file of some kind, if you want to change how a program behaves, just edit its configuration file, and restart the program
[02:23] <rance> great stuff
[02:23] <wolf__> Im learning alot.
[02:23] <Sebastian> ok
[02:23] <Sebastian> so, to mount the ntfs partition
[02:23] <Sebastian> i go to....
[02:23] <Sebastian> which program
[02:23] <Sebastian> from kubuntu
[02:24] <wolf__> Ive customized the Automatix script to get me everything I have now, so that when I reformat I just download it from my server and go.
[02:25] <Sebastian> ?
[02:25] <rance> Iyou need to make sure that you have the ntfs file utilities so you can read that format, do an adept search for "ntfs" then just issue a command like this from a terminal, "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /path/to/drive
[02:25] <_grigory> Sebastian: read this, all that is explained in the article: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MountNTFSonBoot?highlight=%28ntfs%29
[02:27] <_grigory> how do I run in-file script from the console?
[02:27] <_grigory> what should i type?
[02:27] <Sebastian> 12.28.2005: This page needs review and clean up, be careful while implementing steps!
[02:27] <Sebastian> dont trust it
[02:28] <_grigory> i followed the steps and nothing blew up
[02:29] <Sebastian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountPartitions?action=show&redirect=AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:29] <Sebastian> ok i am there
[02:29] <Sebastian> thats suposed to work the same for kubuntu breezy right?
[02:29] <Peolo> :)
[02:30] <Peolo> any1 of you using tor oder jap proxy ?
[02:30] <_grigory> Sebastian: it should work under kubuntu as well
[02:31] <Sebastian> what is a terminal_
[02:31] <Sebastian> ?
[02:31] <_grigory> console
[02:31] <Sebastian> ok
[02:31] <Sebastian> isnt that a shell?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> its' called by multiple names
[02:31] <_grigory> its a terminal :D
[02:33] <Sebastian> so it says that i should type
[02:33] <Sebastian> wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter ?
[02:33] <_grigory> if it says so, try it
[02:33] <_grigory> i mounted mine ntfs slighlty different
[02:34] <Sebastian> Script assumptions
[02:34] <Sebastian> "/media/ is an acceptable location for the partitions to be mounted "
[02:34] <Peolo> Sebeatian
[02:35] <Peolo> what dou you want to download ?
[02:35] <Peolo> normaly you get files with wget
[02:35] <Sebastian> i dont get this...its like...geek language
[02:35] <maxomai> Hey guys. I seem to be having trouble with my printer. KDE recognizes it and everything, and I'm able to install, but I'm not able to print anything. It says that it can't open the USB device. Help?
[02:35] <Peolo> like wget http://www.test.com/blabla.rar
[02:35] <ninjakin> what is the link for there repo's its liek a web based adept?
[02:35] <Peolo> its like a download manager. you can download files with it+
[02:36] <_grigory> Sebastian: just try the link i gave you before, it WORKS
[02:36] <maxomai> wget + perl = heaven
[02:36] <Sebastian> ok what is this: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Multimedia_and_Graphics/CD_Players/Ease_CD_Burner.html
[02:36] <Peolo> hehe
[02:36] <Sebastian> it says share ware
[02:36] <Sebastian> and yet it has a price
[02:36] <praotec> monteiro: I must go I will solve tomorrow.. Thank you
[02:36] <Peolo> that sould not work
[02:36] <_vge> shareware programs dont have to be free
[02:37] <_vge> freeware is for totally free products
[02:37] <_grigory> in fact, they usually have price tags on them
[02:37] <fatbrain> is there a way I can change the font of text-elements throughout the OS?
[02:37] <_grigory> :)
[02:37] <Peolo> if you do that with wget. you only download the html file
[02:37] <Peolo> :)
[02:37] <ninjakin> is there an udate-notifier liek in ubuntu?
[02:37] <Sebastian> i wrote open source cd burner
[02:37] <Peolo> sebastian
[02:37] <Peolo> try --- k3b
[02:37] <_grigory> no all open source software is free though
[02:38] <_grigory> Sebastian: weren't you just trying to mount ntfs? :)
[02:38] <Sebastian> i have k3b
[02:38] <Sebastian> but on kubuntu
[02:38] <Sebastian> i need a program to replace nero on windows
[02:38] <Peolo> k3b is like nero
[02:38] <_grigory> what's wrong with nero? works fine for me.. worked, before k3b
[02:38] <Peolo> but nero suxx
[02:38] <Peolo> i prefer cdrwin
[02:38] <Sebastian> yes
[02:39] <Sebastian> i want something like k3b for windows
[02:39] <Peolo> cdrwin
[02:39] <Peolo> best program ever
[02:39] <Peolo> :)
[02:39] <Peolo> but use the 4.0... version
[02:39] <Peolo> not the 5 or 6
[02:39] <_grigory> i don't see why you need something more complicated than nero to burn cds... although it did cost me few cds by freezing at 99%...
[02:39] <Sebastian> free?
[02:39] <Peolo> no
[02:39] <Sebastian> something free, open source,
[02:39] <Peolo> there is no free program like this
[02:40] <Peolo> seriuosly
[02:40] <Peolo> no way
[02:40] <ninjakin> im tring to so a subversion of ktorrent and when i run trhe make comand it says i need automake 2.53 or newer but the repos only have upto 1.9
[02:40] <Peolo> not on ms producs
[02:40] <Peolo> produtcs
[02:40] <Sebastian> ms?
[02:40] <Peolo> micro soft
[02:40] <_grigory> ew,, ktorrent
[02:40] <_grigory> frigin thing doesn't seed
[02:40] <Sebastian> there must be an open source burning program for ogg wma flac files
[02:40] <ninjakin> its better that azuruse
[02:40] <ninjakin> ot whatever
[02:40] <_grigory> true
[02:40] <Peolo> no wa
[02:41] <Peolo> way
[02:41] <_grigory> azuresus is damn slow
[02:41] <ninjakin> yup and a hog
[02:41] <Peolo> im sure that you dont find any
[02:41] <Peolo> but try it
[02:41] <Peolo> if you find sum -- tell me
[02:41] <Peolo> :9
[02:41] <Peolo> :)
[02:41] <_grigory> azerus.. that's how it spelled
[02:41] <_grigory> no, azureus
[02:41] <ninjakin> yeah shows how much i like or use it...
[02:42] <_grigory> i tried it few times... it spend 2 hours checking 1.3 gb file, and then didn't seed either
[02:42] <ninjakin> thats why you need to run the subversion
[02:42] <_grigory> what's subversion?
[02:43] <Sebastian> recomend an open source burner for windows that supports mp3 flac ogg wma formats
[02:43] <chope> JohnFlux_: are you there?
[02:43] <_grigory> i can't find how to make ktorrent just seed something i already have, without downloading it into it's temp folders
[02:43] <JohnFlux_> chope: yeah
[02:43] <ninjakin> _grigory: so thats what you meant i thought you where talking about a torrent you already had
[02:44] <chope> JohnFlux_: remember the ping error.. i fixed it with this script http://www.i21k.de/clearfirewall, however if I restart the computer the problem reappears
[02:44] <ninjakin> http://subversion.tigris.org/
[02:45] <Crowbar> Does anyone else have kopete crash constantly?  On breezy kubuntu if i open kopete, add an AIM account, if i open an IM window i can type roughly 6 characters or so and kopete crashes every time.
[02:45] <_grigory> ill digg into it
[02:45] <_grigory> Crowbar: mine works fine(icq+msn+irc)
[02:46] <Crowbar> _grigory: Have you tried AIM?  I've deleted my config for kopete and tried again and it crashes just the same.
[02:46] <chope> JohnFlux_: maybe i could try to remove some packages and reinstall them or something like that.. what do you think?
[02:46] <Crowbar> I assume if AIM was causing a crash across everyone's install it would have been fixed... but still.
[02:46] <Sebastian> bbl
[02:46] <_grigory> Crowbar: never, i'm not even sure what AIM is :)
[02:46] <ninjakin> _grigory: what torrent client do you use?
[02:47] <_grigory> ktorrent, just becouse i can't get bittornado to work, it needs wxPython, and i'm having problems installing it
[02:47] <Crowbar> _grigory: AOL Instant Messanger?  I don't get sarcasm online :(
[02:48] <_grigory> no, seriosly, i heard about AIM, and i even heard that it supports ICQ, but i never used\seen it
[02:48] <Crowbar> _grigory: Yeah, same thing as ICQ.  Same protocol.
[02:49] <_grigory> ninjakin: I heard good things about rtorrent, have you ever tried it?
[02:49] <ninjakin> no..
[02:49] <_grigory> Crowbar: then what's the point of having two msging systems working on the same protocol?
[02:49] <ninjakin> its it in the repos? b/c i will try it out, haha there are a lot of one letter clients out there U, K, and now R
[02:50] <_grigory> ninjakin: it's not in repos, i think, so didn't get my hands on it yet
[02:50] <ninjakin> wow prelinking some times takes a while....geez
[02:51] <_grigory> yeah, i think there's even mjtorrent
[02:51] <_grigory> or m something, not sure
[02:51] <ninjakin> rtorrent is console based
[02:52] <_grigory> if WORKS then i don't really care if it's console or GUI based
[02:52] <_grigory> if it*
[02:52] <ninjakin> ahha
[02:53] <Crowbar> _grigory: AOL bought the ICQ network and merged them.  You can send IMs between ICQ and AIM usernames.
[02:53] <_grigory> although i do have some problems using console, been on kubuntu\linux for about a week only... managed to reconfigure xorg without killing kubuntu though :D
[02:54] <_grigory> yeah, I heard about merging...  ahh, good ole mirabilis :D
[02:54] <ninjakin> nice!
[02:55] <ninjakin> _grigory: that mtorrent is utorrent  here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Torrent
[02:55] <_grigory> what i do not get is how to install those damn drivers... :\ Full screen video doesn't work, guys here told me it was the video card driver problem, i installed the new ones - no results, mplayer became even slower ;\
[02:56] <_grigory> i wonder why "mu"... statistics? chemistry? :)
[02:57] <ninjakin> its greek for micro
[02:58] <_grigory> oh, i see. they use it in statistics a lot, just wrote the data management exam... ill be having bad dreams with mu's and matrices for a long time
[03:00] <ninjakin> ahha
[03:00] <ninjakin> so your a teacher?
[03:00] <_grigory> i wish! im one of those who they torture
[03:00] <ninjakin> oh ahha
[03:01] <_grigory> still, i wouldnt mind being a teacher... teach kids Programming
[03:01] <ninjakin> yeha i would liek to teach linux
[03:01] <_grigory> all my Computer science teachers were either idiots either history teachers who knew about computers less then i do... that's not the way it should be
[03:02] <_grigory> ill be teaching dirt jumping this summer :D haha, dreams come true
[03:03] <ninjakin> yup i was turned from programing my freshman year in HS really bad teach mad it seem like you need to be a phd in math just to open right hello world
[03:03] <ninjakin> dirt jumping?
[03:03] <_grigory> on bikes, bicycles, like BMX, or mountain bikes specially made for dirt jumping
[03:04] <ninjakin> that is fun!
[03:04] <_grigory> ohhh yeah :D you got to have balls though
[03:05] <ninjakin> yeha i did it one summer then went free riding down the side of a mountin
[03:05] <ninjakin> haah it was in boyscouts
[03:05] <_grigory> :))
[03:05] <_grigory> we don't have many mountains here in Toronto
[03:06] <_grigory> so urban and dirt jumping is basically all i do
[03:06] <ninjakin> oh thats cool though
[03:06] <ninjakin> have you tried qtorrent?
[03:06] <_grigory> not yet, i will in a few mins though, fighting ATI drivers now :)
[03:07] <ninjakin> yeah ati BLOWS big floppy donkey dick in linux
[03:07] <_grigory> i really need something that can seed fully using my upload, need to fix my rating :\
[03:07] <_grigory> they got some pretty GUI that suppose to install everything
[03:07] <_grigory> well, it didn't work the first time
[03:08] <_grigory> trying again..
[03:08] <ninjakin> ahah tell them that
[03:08] <_grigory> pht, like they listen
[03:08] <ninjakin> whati wanna know is wy onething what automake 2.53 when the latest ver is 1.9?
[03:09] <_grigory> heh
[03:09] <_grigory> program from future
[03:09] <ninjakin> ahaha
[03:10] <ninjakin> well one kde 3.5.1 is done installing i will try 1.9 see if i can fool ktorrent
[03:10] <_grigory> i need to learn how to use wget
[03:10] <ninjakin> oh its easy
[03:10] <ninjakin> man wget
[03:10] <_grigory> hmm.. let's se.. how do i pause..
[03:11] <ninjakin> you can ever use wget with apt-get. if im wrong some one tell me if i am :)
[03:11] <ninjakin> haha
[03:12] <ninjakin> 99.87 tgehn it will be done!
[03:12] <_grigory> great.... i just lost the file
[03:13] <_grigory> is there like search in KDE?
[03:13] <ninjakin> yeah...
[03:13] <ninjakin> did you use wget?
[03:13] <_grigory> can't find anything with 'find' or 'search' written in bold letters on it
[03:13] <_grigory> i will, as soon as my video card will start to work with my TV :)
[03:14] <ninjakin> no if you got the file with wget
[03:14] <_grigory> oh, no, with firefox download manager
[03:14] <ninjakin> kde better be fast with all this damn prelinking
[03:14] <_grigory> :D
[03:14] <ninjakin> check the desktop
[03:15] <_grigory> i have like specific folder for downloads... and it should be there, ls tells me its in there, but i just don't see it
[03:15] <_grigory> file-ghost
[03:15] <_grigory> :d
[03:17] <_grigory> hmmmm.... i am definately doing something wrong here:
[03:17] <ninjakin> ahha
[03:17] <ninjakin> sorry
[03:17] <_grigory> "#
[03:17] <_grigory> # Enter the command ./ati-driver-installer-8.20.8.run to launch the ATI Proprietary Linux driver installer."
[03:17] <_grigory> sudo: ./ati-driver-installer-8.21.7-i386.run: command not found
[03:17] <_grigory> although file is in there, if i run it without sudo it says permission denied
[03:18] <ninjakin> is there a dir that is like ati..?
[03:18] <ninjakin> try su
[03:18] <_grigory> nope, no dir
[03:18] <ninjakin> so jsut a binary?
[03:18] <_grigory> Unknown id: ./ati-driver-installer-8.21.7-i386.run
[03:18] <_grigory> yeah
[03:19] <ninjakin> try right clicking and then run in console
[03:19] <_grigory> thats the think, Konqueror doesn't show me the file... like it's not even in the folder
[03:19] <ninjakin> ohh ahha try this
[03:19] <_grigory> i go to console, cd to the dir, ls, and yay, its there
[03:20] <ninjakin> view> show hidden files
[03:20] <_grigory> :) its checked
[03:20] <ninjakin> oh bummer
[03:20] <_grigory> yeah... weird
[03:20] <_grigory> i even tried F5! :D
[03:20] <ninjakin> well ait is gay so yeah
[03:20] <_grigory> how do i move files using console?
[03:21] <_grigory> is there like move commad or something?
[03:21] <ninjakin> mv
[03:21] <_grigory> oh, ok
[03:21] <hatake_kakashi> man mv
[03:21] <_grigory> lets see... mv --help
[03:21] <ninjakin> what does f5 do?
[03:21] <_grigory> that too :)
[03:21] <_grigory> refresh :D
[03:21] <ninjakin> what is your irc program?
[03:21] <_grigory> kopete
[03:21] <_grigory> :D
[03:21] <hatake_kakashi> irssi
[03:21] <hatake_kakashi> :P
[03:22] <_grigory> i like kopete, its all in one window, tabbed...
[03:22] <ninjakin> aw b/c is konversation f5 seems liek a no no
[03:22] <_grigory> besides i dont do IRC much, only this channel
[03:22] <ninjakin> same here..or to get naturo
[03:23] <_grigory> naturo?
[03:23] <ninjakin> yeah its a sweet anime show
[03:23] <hatake_kakashi> huh..
[03:24] <_grigory> oh, i see
[03:24] <ninjakin> yeah kde is done
[03:24] <_grigory> kde 3.5 is sweet
[03:24] <_grigory> :D
[03:24] <_grigory> well, from my nooby point of view
[03:24] <_grigory> noobish*
[03:25] <ninjakin> yeha its cool
[03:25] <_grigory> ah, its noob is not even a word anyways
[03:25] <hatake_kakashi> ninjakin: you meant naruto :P
[03:25] <ninjakin> haha yeah.. i was not all there
[03:25] <_grigory> whats that anime porn called
[03:25] <hatake_kakashi> hentai :p
[03:25] <_grigory> oh, yeah
[03:25] <_grigory> i though it was like pokaido or something
[03:26] <Sebastian> can vlc play m4a files?
[03:26] <hatake_kakashi> hentai is an anime category.. anime porn
[03:26] <ninjakin> haah
[03:26] <_grigory> people who are drawing hentai are not right in the head
[03:26] <_grigory> well, my opinion
[03:27] <ninjakin> is it badd to install automake 1.4 till 1.9?
[03:28] <ninjakin> well i guess i will find out :P
[03:29] <_grigory> :)
[03:29] <_grigory> you will, eventually
[03:29] <ninjakin> haha
[03:29] <Joseph1> Hi guys.
[03:30] <_grigory> whee, 'jump around! jump around!"... old-school
[03:30] <_grigory> hey Joseph
[03:30] <Joseph1> Can anyone help me? when installing kubuntu it goes extremely slow when its installing.
[03:30] <Joseph1> like.
[03:30] <Joseph1> when its unpacking the files or retrieving them.
[03:31] <Joseph1> i just bought a new computer, it does this on the old + new computer.
[03:31] <_grigory> um.. never had that problem.. takes about 10-15 minutes to unpack
[03:31] <Joseph1> Well.
[03:31] <_grigory> on my not-so-new computer
[03:31] <Joseph1> >_>
[03:31] <Joseph1> on kubuntu 5.11?
[03:31] <Joseph1> or w/e?
[03:31] <Joseph1> the newest one?
[03:32] <_grigory> newest one
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> Joseph1: maybe dma is not enabled on your cdrom?
[03:32] <_grigory> breezy
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> or it cannot accept dma?
[03:32] <Joseph1> How do i enable it?
[03:32] <Joseph1> it used to work, but then when kubuntu 5.10 came out, it went extremely slow.
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> hdparm -d 1 /dev/<cdrom>
[03:32] <Joseph1> u + kubuntu 5.04 still works.
[03:32] <Joseph1> Or the older version.
[03:32] <Joseph1> OK.
[03:32] <Joseph1> I'm on a live cd now though, will it still work?
[03:33] <hatake_kakashi> yes
[03:33] <hatake_kakashi> but only if your drive supports it
[03:33] <Joseph1> Alright.
[03:33] <Joseph1> i'll try that.
[03:33] <hatake_kakashi> you may also need to enable dma on the destination hdd
[03:33] <hatake_kakashi> if that still does not work, there is something wrong with your computer hw config
[03:34] <Joseph1> What do you mean by that?
[03:34] <Joseph1> how do i enable it on the destination drive?
[03:34] <hatake_kakashi> could be cabling method, or chipset, etc
[03:34] <Joseph1> i see.
[03:34] <hatake_kakashi> same thing but you replace that command for <hdd>
[03:35] <Joseph1> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[03:35] <hatake_kakashi> generally it _should_ support dma
[03:35] <hatake_kakashi> replace <cdrom> with your cdrom drive :p
[03:35] <Joseph1> oh.
[03:35] <Joseph1> xD
[03:35] <Joseph1> sorry.
[03:35] <Joseph1> my mistake.
[03:35] <Joseph1> >_.
[03:35] <Joseph1> .
[03:35] <Joseph1> do you know if cedega/wine supports gameguard yet?
[03:36] <hatake_kakashi> I don't play games whilst on linux :P
[03:36] <hatake_kakashi> well not for the time being
[03:36] <ninjakin> well its time to long into kde 3.5.1
[03:36] <ninjakin> bye
[03:37] <Joseph1> BRB.
[03:37] <Joseph1> gonna test it. =D
[03:38] <_grigory> ahh... the moment of truth, reboot...
[03:40] <tiberius> ok, i'm brand new to the whole kubuntu thing and my first problem is that i'm a n00b
[03:40] <tiberius> does anyone know where i can get a good help FAQ or list of commands for terminal?
[03:41] <_vandal> where do i change my theme kubuntu?
[03:42] <_vandal> *in  kubuntu
[03:43] <hatake_kakashi> tiberius: list of commands? you probably need a *nix starter guide
[03:44] <hatake_kakashi> or press tab twice
[03:44] <laszlok> _vandal: alt-f2 --> kcontrol --> appearance & themes --> theme manager
[03:44] <_vandal> seriously, where is the kde theme manager :P
[03:44] <tiberius> that is a LOT of stuff to read
[03:44] <tiberius> but thanks
[03:45] <laszlok> _vandal: for some reason its not in system settings, but you can access it in kcontrol
[03:46] <_vandal> where is kcontrol in the menu
[03:46] <hatake_kakashi> its not there :p
[03:46] <hatake_kakashi> laszlok: you are using kde3.5 I assume?
[03:46] <joseph1> hi.
[03:46] <joseph1> im back.
[03:46] <_vandal> i have kcontrol installed but seriously can't find it :P
[03:46] <joseph1> it didnt work, it worked for like 2 seconds (literallly0 then went slow again.
[03:47] <hatake_kakashi> _vandal: follow what laszlok mentioned before :p
[03:47] <laszlok> ya is it new to 3.5?
[03:47] <_vandal> hatake_kakashi: he said i can access it in kcontrol, but i can't even find that :P
[03:47] <hatake_kakashi> laszlok: it shouldn't be, I was kinda surprised that I don't have it in mine.. Breezy + kde3.5
[03:48] <hatake_kakashi> _vandal: Alt+F2 and type in 'kcontrol' without quotes :p
[03:48] <_vandal> ahh :D
[03:48] <_vandal> yay!
[03:48] <hatake_kakashi> joseph1: meh.. maybe its disabled for certain reason, etc
[03:49] <_vandal> if i installed a theme via adept where would it normally install it?
[03:50] <eightiesk> !mp3
[03:50] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:50] <eightiesk> !windows
[03:50] <ubotu> methinks windows is unnecessary - everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[03:50] <eightiesk> !firefox1.5
[03:50] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[03:51] <eightiesk> !gaim2.0
[03:51] <ubotu> eightiesk: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:51] <eightiesk> !gaim
[03:51] <ubotu> somebody said gaim was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[03:51] <eightiesk> !xine
[03:51] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[03:51] <joseph1> hatake_kakashi, this is a custom made computer.
[03:51] <bisquit> Yeargh.... Everytime I log in with the GUI it loops rite back to the login screen....
[03:51] <hatake_kakashi> joseph1: eg, you built it yourself?
[03:51] <hatake_kakashi> _vandal: probably
[03:51] <laszlok> can you install themes with adept? are you talking about icon or window themes or something else
[03:52] <_vandal> how do you make firefox your default brower?
[03:52] <_grigory> what good video players can you guys suggest? mplayer doesnt work properly, freezes, lags...eww
[03:52] <chadreece> hi, how can I get my kubuntu to run w/ accel. video -- i have basic nvidia card in a dell
[03:52] <chadreece> need to run some config prog. or edit a file or what?
[03:52] <hatake_kakashi> _vandal: its under firefox config
[03:53] <joseph1> hatake_kakashi, no, to lazy. i let my local computer shop build it.
[03:53] <hatake_kakashi> _grigory: I don't think mplayer would be as ugly as kaffeine :p
[03:54] <hatake_kakashi> joseph1: huh.. well, check with the hdparm is disabled or what.. if its gone back disabled, it could be the install script, otherwise check dmesg.. and check chipset if you get SeekError, etc
[03:54] <hatake_kakashi> chadreece: you need to edit Xorg config file..
[03:54] <_grigory> oh, kaffeine keeps saying that i dont have needed codecs... mplayer plays video, but lags too much
[03:55] <chadreece> okay, can do that, have done it before in other situations
[03:55] <chadreece> can you point me to a file I can copy and paste from?
[03:55] <hatake_kakashi> chadreece: /t
[03:55] <joseph1> hatake_kakashi how do i check if its disabled?
[03:56] <chadreece> what is /?
[03:56] <_vandal> hatake_kakashi: thanks man
[03:56] <chadreece> what is /t ?
[03:56] <kameron> anyone know where i can get the spca5xx driver? it used to be here: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca50x/Download/spca5xx-20060101.tar.gz
[03:56] <hatake_kakashi> joseph1: from my previous command, remove the 1 from -d field
[03:56] <hatake_kakashi> chadreece: are you on irssi?
[03:56] <chadreece> huh?
[03:56] <kameron> pfff, nvm, found it.
[03:56] <joseph1> i dont remember it. xD
[03:56] <hatake_kakashi> !pastebin
[03:57] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:57] <joseph1> this time i'll right it down.
[03:57] <joseph1> hatake_kakashi, say it again, please?
[03:57] <hatake_kakashi> joseph1: man hdparm :p
[03:57] <joseph1> alright. =)
[03:57] <hatake_kakashi> actually..
[03:57] <hatake_kakashi> hdparm -d 1 /dev/<cdrom> :p
[03:57] <hatake_kakashi> busybox doesn't have man pages :/
[03:58] <joseph1> im sorry to act nubey.
[03:58] <hatake_kakashi> for the installation part
[03:58] <joseph1> but.
[03:58] <joseph1> LOL!!11
[03:58] <joseph1> xD
[03:58] <chadreece> hatake_kakashi: okay, i've loaded that page ubotu points to
[03:59] <joseph1> its off.
[03:59] <joseph1> >_>
[03:59] <joseph1> so the installation turned it off?
[03:59] <joseph1> how do i turn it on in the installation?
[04:00] <kameron> anyone have success installing the new spca5xx drivers?
[04:00] <hatake_kakashi> chadreece: you paste your data on it and submit to get url :p
[04:00] <joseph1> hatake_kakashi?
[04:00] <hatake_kakashi> joseph1: I just said it above.. that was to turn it on.. you remove 1 from -d field to see if its on or off
[04:01] <joseph1> yeah, i know.
[04:01] <joseph1> but im talking about when i install kubunt 5.10
[04:01] <joseph1> its off right now.
[04:01] <bisquit> joseph1: just do hdparm /dev/<yeahthatcdromthingey>, and see if there is a 1 or a 0 by DMA
[04:01] <joseph1> and i just turned it on before the installation.
[04:01] <joseph1> its a 0 which means off
[04:01] <joseph1> it even says it beside it. xD
[04:02] <bisquit> joseph1:...  So.. what do you keep asking...
[04:02] <joseph1> how do i turn it on in the installation?
[04:02] <joseph1> i think the installation is turning it off.
[04:02] <bisquit> You can edit your fstab....
[04:02] <bisquit> I think that's right
[04:02] <bisquit> Anyone back that up?
[04:02] <hatake_kakashi> you can't enable dma via fstab iirc
[04:02] <joseph1> so how do i?
[04:03] <hatake_kakashi> joseph1: if its doing it repetitively, its probably something up... check dmesg
[04:04] <`Nomad> hi all, I finally seem to have cups going, but now everything looks fine but nothing comes out of the printer.. The IPP report shows all the details of th eprinter, etc.. but it says "can,t find suitable printer".  Any idea?  It's USB, coudl it be somewhere in /dev/null?
[04:05] <bisquit> It was harder for me to setup my printer in Windows than Linux...
[04:05] <`Nomad> joseph: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[04:06] <`Nomad> bisquit: Really?  This has been sooo frustrating for me.. Teh worst is, I bought it because it came with linux driver and support
[04:06] <`Nomad> Samsung ML-2010
[04:06] <bisquit> `Nomad: I have a Epson RX500, but, it was autodetected in the printer thing
[04:07] <bisquit> `Nomad: Autodetect, or did you manually set it up
[04:08] <bisquit> Hey, who here has a MySQL server that works?
[04:08] <CyberMad> i want install SquirreMail, hmm there is term i don't know.. what is release candidate mean?
[04:09] <CyberMad> Stable Version (Release candidate)
[04:09] <bisquit> I always thought it meant the most stable and updated software version they had at the moment
[04:09] <`Nomad> Mine was setup manually, kubuntu doesn't hav eteh drivers, so I installed with the "other" option, selecting the PPD off of my driver CD
[04:12] <bisquit> Hmmm.. I dunno then
[04:15] <fatbrain> How do I allow all access to a folder? chmod?
[04:17] <CyberMad> what is the the best web mail atm?
[04:17] <CyberMad> i would like to use it
[04:18] <Hobbsee> CyberMad: the best webmail?
[04:21] <Nirvana> CyberMad: Gmail... obviously
[04:21] <Nirvana> lol
[04:21] <CyberMad> no..
[04:21] <CyberMad> i mean, i want to install it in kubuntu
[04:21] <Nirvana> CyberMad: ohh, nvm
[04:22] <CyberMad> is it neo mail? squirre mail? or ?
[04:22] <CyberMad> i would like use it for my client
[04:24] <Nirvana> CyberMad: Horde is my fave
[04:24] <Nirvana> but I don't know if it has a pkg
[04:25] <Nirvana> yep, it does: sudo apt-get install imp4
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Nirvana: thunderbird, sylpheed-claws is quite good, kmail, etc
[04:26] <tiberius> where can i find my kernel version?
[04:27] <dark_suic> uname -r
[04:30] <eightiesk> !ntfs
[04:30] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:38] <hatake_kakashi> dark_suic: cat /proc/version
[04:38] <Nirvana_> does anyone know if the new Live CD image (w/ KDE 3.5.1 and KOffice) for Kubuntu has OpenOffice.org?
[04:39] <bushito> have anyone here tried enlightment?? =P
[04:39] <dr_wu> bushito- yes i have.
[04:39] <bushito> dr_wu and how is it?
[04:39] <chadreece> hatake_kakashi:  i've pasted my attempt on kubuntu.pastebin.com w/ name = chadreece
[04:40] <dr_wu> well, it is interesting to say the least. i like it, but it takes some getting used to.
[04:40] <chadreece> hatake_kakashi: it didn't work, btw
[04:40] <chadreece> hatake_kakashi: but I think i'm close
[04:40] <bushito> hatake_kakashi HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUDE!!!!!!!
[04:40] <bushito> dr_wu what do you mean with interesting? didnt you liked it?
[04:41] <dr_wu> yes, i did like it. it's just much different than kde.
[04:41] <Nirvana_> bushito: it's nothing like KDE, GNOME, or XFCE... look at some screenshots too see what I mean
[04:42] <dr_wu> e16 is stable, i've had e17 on, it worked, but it was somewhat limited in usefulness at the time. it may be better now though. i don't know.
[04:42] <hatake_kakashi> chadreece: hm
[04:42] <hatake_kakashi> bushito: hi
[04:42] <bushito> Nirvana_  i would if i could but i am in console and cannot see screenies with elinks, so i need to ask and se
[04:42] <bushito> hatake_kakashi hey!! =D, how is my smart boy doing n.n
[04:43] <hatake_kakashi> bushito: lol :p going to build vanilla kernel with microcode support ;P
[04:43] <bushito> hatake_kakashi holy shi.. i didnt understand much but GOOD JOB!! =D, i am proud of you
[04:44] <frank23> !sources
[04:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:44] <frank23> !tell me about easysource
[04:45] <Nirvana_> does anyone know if the new Live CD image (w/ KDE 3.5.1 and KOffice) for Kubuntu has OpenOffice.org?
[04:45] <hatake_kakashi> bushito: meh, I don't think I will get far.. vanilla kernel are a pain in the a$$ if you asked me, they get more and more options the way I see them
[04:45] <Reborn> hello
[04:45] <hatake_kakashi> apart from that I'm trying to solve speed issues
[04:46] <Reborn> easy stupid question... is it worth downloading the install dvd or is the intall cd enough for most?
[04:46] <hatake_kakashi> and getting latest nvidia driver to work
[04:46] <bushito> hatake_kakashi =O oh... vanilla kernel =/... going to google for that
[04:46] <hatake_kakashi> Reborn: dvd contains both live and install :p
[04:46] <bushito> hatake_kakashi xP but what you worry about try an ati and youll see =D whats a pain in the ass
[04:46] <hatake_kakashi> bushito: its plain kernel from kernel.org
[04:46] <Reborn> so no point in downloading for an install?
[04:46] <hatake_kakashi> bushito: lol
[04:47] <hatake_kakashi> Reborn: its exactly the same as install cd
[04:47] <Reborn> oh
[04:47] <Reborn> great
[04:47] <Reborn> that means i can get it *that* much quicker
[04:47] <hatake_kakashi> but dvd as noted from website includes both live and install cd in one
[04:47] <Nirvana_> Reborn, the DVD is the INstall CD and the Live CD }combined{
[04:47] <chadreece> hatake_kakashi: hm? any ideas?  :)  thnx for any help you can offer
[04:48] <hatake_kakashi> bushito: I don't understand this kubuntu thing.. its really really odd
[04:48] <bushito> hatake_kakashi what you mean?? (o_O)
[04:48] <hatake_kakashi> chadreece: you want to paste large amounts of information on the web?
[04:48] <chadreece> hatake_kakashi: i don't understand; i used the pastebin to post a portion of my xorg.conf
[04:49] <Reborn> i'm used to running suse on my laptop... how much of a difference should i expect after i install?
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> bushito: they build kernels with gcc 3.4.5 and they don't have that gcc in the repos, after getting gcc4.0.1, its to be compiled as i486 rather than i686 type of arch..
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> chadreece: yeah, that's what you needed to do
[04:49] <bushito> hatake_kakashi hahahaha xD
[04:50] <chadreece> hatake_kakashi: what next?
[04:50] <hatake_kakashi> bushito: and there was one more thing that makes it so odd..
[04:50] <hatake_kakashi> chadreece: going to check the config.. btw iirc there is a command to make it a little easier.. I can't remember the name, its probably dpkg --reconfigure xorg ? google around
[04:51] <bushito> hatake_kakashi and what would that be?? =P
[04:51] <JohnFlux> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:51] <JohnFlux> hatake_kakashi: ^^
[04:51] <hatake_kakashi> bushito: I can't remember the name
[04:51] <hatake_kakashi> JohnFlux: ta
[04:51] <hatake_kakashi> s/name/thing
[04:52] <Reborn> oh one more stupid question... is dvd playback support included in the install?
[04:52] <JohnFlux> hatake_kakashi: you're japanese?
[04:52] <hatake_kakashi> oh yeah.. the gcc4.0.1 isn't symlinked to where the kernel 2.6.10 looks for during compilation.. (that's the one which is ubuntu patched version)
[04:52] <JohnFlux> Reborn: you need to get the decss packages to decrypt the dvd :/
[04:52] <hatake_kakashi> JohnFlux: no
[04:52] <frank23> JohnFlux: he's just a Naruto fan ;)
[04:52] <Reborn> blech
[04:52] <JohnFlux> ah
[04:53] <dr_wu> JohnFlux- its dvdcss correct?
[04:53] <pestilence> does anybody know how to get xine to play dvd's out of the "cdrom daemon" thing that pops up when you put a dvd in?
[04:53] <Reborn> who knew watching dvd's you own could be a hastle
[04:53] <JohnFlux> frank23: I'm showing naruto to my japanese gf, and teaching her Go ;)
[04:53] <hatake_kakashi> frank23: except for the main character :p
[04:53] <pestilence> i tried using the command "xine -pd" which works outside of this daemon
[04:53] <hatake_kakashi> Reborn: blame the RIAA/MPAA for that :p
[04:53] <JohnFlux> dr_wu: yeah
[04:54] <JohnFlux> Reborn: yeah, we would love to ship with a working dvd player, and working mplayer with all codecs etc
[04:54] <hatake_kakashi> JohnFlux: for some unfortunate reasons only very few Japanese people watch the produce from their own country -_-
[04:54] <hatake_kakashi> I mean they only watch it when they are kids, etc
[04:54] <JohnFlux> Reborn: but instead we have to illegally break the encryption when we watch it
[04:54] <Reborn> JohnFlux,  oh yeah i'm sure there are valid reasons why you do not
[04:55] <JohnFlux> Reborn: valid == legal
[04:55] <hatake_kakashi> Reborn: valid reasons for?
[04:55] <JohnFlux> hatake_kakashi: not shipping decss
[04:55] <hatake_kakashi> that's more of legality issues
[04:55] <Reborn> yeah
[04:55] <hatake_kakashi> dvdcss is being abused in a way to rip DVDs
[04:55] <JohnFlux> hatake_kakashi: I just said that :P
[04:56] <hatake_kakashi> heh
[04:56] <JohnFlux> hatake_kakashi: it's illegal to even watch.  what's the difference in ripping them too ;)
[04:56] <Reborn> and ripping dvds in windows isn't easy...
[04:56] <hatake_kakashi> Reborn: RH8 does not support MP3 unless you get them through alternative method :P
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> Reborn: what? that's sarcasm right?
[04:56] <Reborn> a little bit
[04:57] <JohnFlux> Reborn: but ripping the dvds in windows would still use the decss code like linux does
[04:57] <Reborn> i did not know that
[04:57] <hatake_kakashi> JohnFlux: well, dvdcss is to give users a chance to view them without the zone problems, that's prior to heavy DVD zone restrictions being embedded onto the DVD-ROM/RW drives
[04:57] <bushito> hatake_kakashi omg.... (o_O) and then why are you passing all that work?' xD
[04:58] <JohnFlux> Reborn: sure, the rippers have to break  the encryption in order to read them
[04:58] <hatake_kakashi> bushito: I'm trying to get nvidia to work.. because they themselves are somewhat a b*tch to get it to work.. someone else did, but it doesn't seem to work when I tried it
[04:58] <JohnFlux> hatake_kakashi: indeed
[04:59] <JohnFlux> !ubotu nvidia
[04:59] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:59] <JohnFlux> hatake_kakashi: ^^
[04:59] <howcomes> http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester
[04:59] <hatake_kakashi> JohnFlux: bah.. ta, I would rather get it to work with the i686 version of kernel
[05:00] <JohnFlux> hatake_kakashi: the instructions aren't valid for that?
[05:00] <bushito> hatake_kakashi welcome 2 my world everyone gets their ati working except me ;)
[05:01] <JohnFlux> bushito: i have ati, and just did apt-get install     restricted modules something
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> JohnFlux: going to try that now, if it doesn't work, I'm falling back to the plan that I'm following through now
[05:02] <eidolon> hey folks, i know this is an faq now - the jump of amarok from gstreamer to amarok-xine has pulled being able to read mp3's.  i saw something about gstreamer-mad and using gst-register, but it's not working.
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> eidolon: I never could get gstreamer to work, xine was easy. do you have libmad0?
[05:05] <eidolon> gstreamer was working fine up until yesterday when dapper nixed it :)
[05:05] <eidolon> i'm running with amarok-xine now, but it's only playing oggs.
[05:05] <Tm_T> here only gst works with amaroK
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> eidolon: make sure you have libmad0
[05:06] <Tm_T> self compiled ;(
[05:06] <eidolon> root@hunter:~# dpkg -l | grep libmad
[05:06] <eidolon> ii  libmad0                                0.15.1b-2.1                       MPEG audio decoder library
[05:06] <eidolon> i do.
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> eidolon: and in amarok you have xine engine and arts output chosen?
[05:07] <eidolon> i don't have arts chosen, i have alsa.
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> my dapper is happy except for not being able to print I'd be 100%.
[05:07] <eidolon> heh
[05:07] <eidolon> mmm, i have -not- restarted kde after doing the gst-register thingie though
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> kde3.5.2 hopefully with cups1.2 support can't come soon enough.
[05:08] <eidolon> ooo, there's a new rev of cups? t hat'd be nice.  (i use cups a LOT, but it hasn't changed much in 3 years)
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> eidolon: well they changed the API's and kde 3.5.1 isn't aware of those changes, so you can't do any cups stuff from kde in dapper.
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> sucks that I finally found a decent program for business cards on linux (glabels) and I have to print to PDF and transfer it to the windows machine of the house to print. blech.
[05:14] <Crowbar> Is there a way to rearrange the groups on Kopete?  They seem stuck in alphabetical order.
[05:15] <eightiesk> !kopete
[05:15] <ubotu> Kopete is the KDE IM, supporting AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber, IRC, Gadu-Gadu, Novell GroupWise Messenger, and more. See http://kopete.kde.org
[05:16] <hatake_kakashi> !reconfigure
[05:16] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, hatake_kakashi
[05:16] <hatake_kakashi> JohnFlux: what was that command again? heh
[05:17] <JohnFlux> hatake_kakashi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:17] <Crowbar> eightiesk: I've been there.  Doesn't answer my question about arrange groups though.
[05:18] <hatake_kakashi> JohnFlux: bah, ta
[05:18] <hatake_kakashi> JohnFlux: heh I missed the x for the xorg part..
[05:18] <JohnFlux> ;)
[05:20] <Crowbar> Is there any way to rearrange the group in the contact list in Kopete?
[05:22] <eightiesk> whats the kde header package
[05:22] <eightiesk> !gaim
[05:22] <ubotu> well, gaim is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[05:23] <Reborn> welp
[05:23] <hatake_kakashi> !nvidia
[05:23] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[05:23] <Reborn> time to take the plunge...
[05:24] <Reborn> time to remove suse and try out the kubuntu
[05:31] <Nirvana_> anyone know if the new Live CD has OpenOffice.org? The one with KDE3.5.1 and Koffice
[05:31] <zblach> hey kube
[05:33] <eightiesk> my kopete won't connect ne idea why?
[05:34] <Nirvana_> no one knows if the KDE3.5.1 Live CD has OOo?
[05:34] <Reborn> i don't
[05:34] <Reborn> but i know a way to find out
[05:34] <Nirvana_> why not?
[05:34] <Tm_T> Nirvana_: you mean http://kubuntu.org/special-cds.php
[05:34] <Nirvana_> lol
[05:34] <Nirvana_> how?
[05:34] <Reborn> download it and try
[05:34] <Nirvana_> Tm_T: yes
[05:34] <Tm_T> ?
[05:34] <Nirvana_> oui oui monsieur
[05:34] <Reborn> ?
[05:34] <Tm_T> Nirvana_: ofcourse not, there's KOffice
[05:35] <Nirvana_> ahh well
[05:35] <Reborn> i like KOffice because the first part of it reminds me of coffee... and coffee makes me feel good
[05:35] <Nirvana_> I like OOo because I can spell it with Cheeios
[05:36] <Reborn> you can spell? :P
[05:36] <Nirvana_> yep
[05:36] <Nirvana_> and bake cookies (I don't know if you were on this morning to know how that turned out)
[05:36] <Reborn> nah... had to work
[05:37] <Reborn> did it involve cheeios?
[05:37] <Nirvana_> nope
[05:37] <Nirvana_> I was baking cookies, and didn't know how to use the oven, and I was like, WTF? how do I pre-heat?
[05:38] <Reborn> that's when you heat before you heat...
[05:38] <Nirvana_> then I found that out, and I was like: How do I bake them?
[05:38] <Tm_T> =)
[05:38] <Nirvana_> then I put the cookies in, and 5 minutes later, I was like: SHIET! I FORGOT TO GREASE THE PAN!
[05:40] <Reborn> i like sleeping
[05:40] <Reborn> so i like to skip breakfest and go strait to lunch
[05:42] <Nirvana_> well, 11:42 here, dinner time!
[05:42] <Tm_T> Reborn: yuh, 4h without food -> I'm dying
[05:42] <Tm_T> 0642
[05:43] <Nirvana_> wow, I'm logged in under the other computer too.. watch this: HI NIRVANA!
[05:43] <Reborn> so you don't sleep for longer then 4 hours?
[05:43] <Nirvana> YOU ARE COOL!
[05:43] <Nirvana_> YAY!
[05:43] <Tm_T> Reborn: about yes
[05:43] <Reborn> what's the chance of my wireless card working in my laptop with minimal fuss?
[05:44] <Tm_T> Reborn: no chance
[05:44] <Tm_T> ;)
[05:44] <Bobby_> Hello everyone :)
[05:44] <Tm_T> !wifi
[05:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[05:44] <bushito> have anybody here used enlightment??
[05:44] <Reborn> i mean for driver support...
[05:44] <Bobby_> Can anyone help me..... i am a bit new to Kubuntu
[05:44] <Bobby_> ?
[05:44] <Tm_T> !helpme
[05:44] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[05:45] <Bobby_> :)
[05:45] <Bobby_> Well, I am trying to install the nvidia drivers for kubuntu. But its telling me that i need the binutils installed....
[05:45] <Bobby_> i'm not sure how to do that
[05:45] <Tm_T> Reborn: wiki helps, I think
[05:45] <Reborn> i'm looking through it
[05:46] <Reborn> ooh lots of stuff i don't understand
[05:46] <Tm_T> Bobby_: http://kubuntu.org/special-cds.php
[05:46] <Tm_T> whooops
[05:46] <Tm_T> Bobby_: THIS one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:46] <Bobby_> k
[05:46] <Bobby_> checkin it out.....
[05:47] <Reborn> hrm
[05:47] <Reborn> i guess my laptop now knows how to repair bicycles
[05:47] <Reborn> very odd
[05:47] <Reborn> and me without a bike
[05:48] <Bobby_> Tm, thats for Ubuntu..... there's not "Repositories" in the Package Mangr in kubuntu :(
[05:48] <Tm_T> Bobby_: hum, I don't use graphical apt tools myself at all ;(
[05:48] <Bobby_> oh
[05:49] <Tm_T> Bobby_: I'll check how it's in adept, second
[05:49] <Bobby_> ty :
[05:50] <Tm_T> Bobby_: in adept: menu: adept -> manage repositories
[05:50] <Bobby_> found that :) but then couldn't find "Software Sources"
[05:50] <tiberius> can anyone tell me how i enable su login?
[05:51] <tiberius> cause sudo is getting old fast
[05:51] <Tm_T> tiberius: sudo su?
[05:52] <tiberius> hey, look at that...thanks :D
[05:52] <Saguro134> can anyone help me get flash for kubuntu-64?
[05:52] <Tm_T> Bobby_: yes, they're differen't apps
[05:52] <Saguro134> I've tried the walkthrough in the wiki, but it won't work
[05:52] <Bobby_> Tm, yeah..... i cant seem to find it
[05:53] <Tm_T> Bobby_: so, you see there's lines that contain words "restricted" "universe"
[05:53] <tiberius> i tried the walkthrough on the wiki for firefox and couldn't even get that to work
[05:53] <Tm_T> Bobby_: rightclick on them and select "enabled"
[05:53] <Bobby_> hmm.....
[05:54] <Saguro134> can anybody help me?
[05:54] <Tm_T> Bobby_: and edit those, so "universe" is "universe multiverse" and "main" is "main restricted"
[05:54] <Tm_T> Bobby_: doublecheck
[05:55] <Bobby_> Tm, hey, how do i find out if i'm using the 686 kernel?
[05:56] <Tm_T> in Konsole: "uname -r" for example
[05:56] <Bobby_> hmm... it says 2.6.12-9-386
[05:56] <Bobby_> is that the 686 kernel?
[05:56] <Tm_T> so you're running 386, as it says
[05:56] <Bobby_> ah
[05:56] <Bobby_> duh
[05:56] <Tm_T> hehe
[05:57] <Reborn> is there any repositories i should add to a fresh install?
[05:57] <Tm_T> Reborn: yes, newest kde repository from kubuntu.org
[05:59] <Bobby_> hey Tm, after i do Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, how to i get back into x again?
[05:59] <Reborn> ok... looking
[05:59] <kameron> Bobby_, X *should* launch on it's own. if not, at a command prompt 'startx'
[05:59] <Bobby_> hmm.... ok
[06:00] <tiberius> i screwed with my xorg file, and the xserver restart didn't restart
[06:01] <tiberius> lucky i backed up the .conf file
[06:01] <Bobby_> damn,... i'm still getting an error
[06:01] <Nirvana> tiberius: it's always wise to :P
[06:01] <Tm_T> Bobby_: what error
[06:01] <Nirvana> Bobb_y: error is?
[06:01] <Reborn> wow 100 apps to upgrade
[06:01] <Bobby_>  ERROR: Unable to find the system utility `ld`; please make sure you have the package 'binutils' installed.  If you do have binutils
[06:01] <Tm_T> Reborn: you mean packages?
[06:01] <Bobby_>          installed, then please check that `ld` is in your PATH.
[06:02] <Reborn> sounds good to me
[06:02] <Tm_T> Bobby_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install binutils"
[06:02] <Tm_T> -"
[06:02] <Bobby_> k
[06:02] <Nirvana> Tm_T: wow, your fast...
[06:03] <Nirvana> I was just about to press enter, and BAM
[06:03] <Tm_T> Nirvana: old and slow
[06:03] <Nirvana> I'm not old, I'm very young...
[06:03] <Bobby_> Tm, i get 2 errors at the end of all the  "Hits"
[06:03] <Nirvana> ohh, lol
[06:03] <Tm_T> Bobby_: so you have done something wrong
[06:03] <Bobby_> Fetched 3B in 1s (2B/s)
[06:03] <Bobby_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:04] <Bobby_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:04] <Tm_T> :O
[06:04] <Bobby_> ?
[06:04] <Tm_T> Bobby_: sudo killall adept
[06:04] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[06:04] <Bobby_> ah
[06:04] <Nirvana> Bobby_: close adept or another apt-get process
[06:04] <_vandal> Bobby_: sounds like you have adept running
[06:04] <Bobby_> yeah
[06:04] <Tm_T> he does
[06:04] <Bobby_> didnt realize it couldnt be runnin
[06:04] <_vandal> adept is just a gui for apt
[06:04] <_vandal> so they use the same stuff
[06:05] <Bobby_> ok.... seems to have to have worked that time.....
[06:05] <Bobby_> gonna try the nvidia driver again.....
[06:05] <Tm_T> heh
[06:05] <Nirvana> and apt-get moo is the best program ever. It will fix any problem you've ever had!
[06:05] <kameron> Nirvana, yeah, like comic relief
[06:06] <Nirvana> kameron: no, this cow has super powers, it says so in apt-get --help
[06:07] <Nirvana> This APT has Super Cow Powers.
[06:07] <Nirvana> ^that can only mean bad things
[06:07] <kameron> Nirvana, dude, i gotta check that
[06:07] <Nirvana> Maybe APT is teaming up with cattle all over the world in a plot to take over the world!!
[06:08] <Nirvana> is apt-get moo in man apt-get?
[06:08] <Bobby_> Tm... i need to kill x to install the driver.... but i do ctrl alt bs, but it just restarts (as you said).
[06:09] <Bobby_> isnt it something like /etc/init.d/gdm stop?
[06:09] <Tm_T> Bobby_: why you install drivers by conpiling yourself if distro provide packages?
[06:09] <Nirvana> bobby_: as it should
[06:09] <Nirvana> bobby: replace that gdm with kdm and you got it
[06:09] <Bobby_> Tm, i'm using dual monitors....
[06:09] <Tm_T> Bobby_: so?
[06:09] <Bobby_> Nirvana, thanks ;)
[06:09] <Bobby_> Tm, i didn't realize the provided one had support for dual monitors
[06:10] <Tm_T> errh, it doesn't need any extra "support" =)
[06:10] <scorp007> Does anyone know how I can stop forcedeth being used by default? I have my nforce network drivers installed but they don't get used during boot.
[06:10] <Nirvana> Tm_T: the nvidia drivers in the repos are not stable... though they've been getting better recently (less forum post, so I assume)
[06:10] <Bobby_> Tm, i dont see any dual monitor option when i go into Display Settings
[06:11] <Nirvana> check ~/.kde/autostart
[06:11] <jsgotangco> brb
[06:11] <Nirvana> scorp007: check ~/.kde/autostart
[06:11] <tiberius> bobby, you can stop x by sudo init 1
[06:11] <Tm_T> Bobby_: because you have to do some things manually, even if you compile drivers yourself
[06:11] <tiberius> then restart by sudo init 2
[06:11] <tiberius> but be sure to be in text mode first
[06:11] <tiberius> ctrl alt f1
[06:12] <Tm_T> Bobby_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[06:12] <Tm_T> erh
[06:12] <Tm_T> ;(
[06:12] <Nirvana> maybe he doesn't understand that you do the compiling (CLI) stuff in ctrl alt F1, and not in Konsole
[06:12] <scorp007> Nirvana: what should be in that autostart dir?
[06:12] <Tm_T> ok, I give up
[06:13] <nrdb> Hi I am trying to find out how to change the keyboard layout to dvorak, there doesn't appear to be one in the keyboard layout config. does anyone know where to get one?
[06:13] <Nirvana> scorp007: that's the stuff that starts up when KDE does... so just remove forcedeth from it
[06:13] <crimsun> nrdb: check the regionalisation
[06:13] <scorp007> Nirvana: I don't think there is anything in it...
[06:14] <Nirvana> ohh, maybe I got the wrong place
[06:14] <scorp007> forcedeth is a module...
[06:14] <nrdb> crimsun: that is where I did look.
[06:15] <Bobby_> OK... back
[06:15] <Nirvana> autostart dir = /usr/share/autostart
[06:15] <Bobby_> I tried it again... it now gives me "precompiled kernel" errors
[06:15] <Bobby_> same thing when i was using Ubuntu 64bit
[06:15] <Tm_T> Bobby_: still, you don't need to compile anything
[06:16] <scorp007> Nirvana: a whole lot of .desktop files beginning with 'k'
[06:16] <Nirvana> anyways, sorry I can't help anymore, gotta get some shuteye, Bobby_: you compile in Ctrl + Alt + F1 mode, not in the konsole btw
[06:16] <Bobby_> Tm, so what next?
[06:16] <Tm_T> Bobby_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XineramaMultipleMonitors
[06:16] <Tm_T> Bobby_: just use wiki, will ya
[06:16] <bbeck> I was wondering if anyone else that has updated to KDE 3.5.1 has the problem where the icon in the bottom right (rss feed available, secure site) of Konqueror is trimmed on top and bottom?
[06:17] <Bobby_> Tm, i tried that xinerama before....
[06:17] <Bobby_> didnt work, but i'll try it again
[06:18] <Tm_T> it does work, if you do it right
[06:19] <Tm_T> off we go ->
[06:19] <nrdb> crimsun: I figured it out it is a variant of the US layout, I was expecting a seperate item in the 'regional' settings.
[06:23] <Bobby_> Tm, you still there?
[06:24] <pestilence> holy crapola
[06:24] <pestilence> 4251 root      15   0  716m 581m 7220 S  3.3 46.6   4:45.04 Xorg
[06:24] <pestilence> !!!!
[06:24] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, pestilence
[06:24] <crimsun> pestilence: ?
[06:24] <pestilence> why the hell is X using almost half my ram?
[06:25] <crimsun> pestilence: ah, I see you've been victimised by the insane reporting.
[06:25] <crimsun> pestilence: don't forget that number includes all the RAM mapped from your video chipset.
[06:25] <pestilence> crimsun, not sure i follow
[06:25] <pestilence> crimsun, regardless, 581 megs?
[06:25] <crimsun> pestilence: that's normal
[06:25] <pestilence> crimsun, i'm not even really doing anything!
[06:26] <pestilence> i don't really know how to respond to that...581 megs given how little i am doing with my machine is rediculous
[06:27] <crimsun> not at all
[06:27] <crimsun> look at your resolution, bit depth, amount of video memory mapped, any open clients, etc.
[06:27] <Bobby_> how do i edit my xorg.conf file?
[06:27] <pestilence> 1280x800 @ 24bpp
[06:27] <Bobby_> its saying its locked
[06:27] <pestilence> really not all that large.
[06:27] <crimsun> and remember that's shared across _all_ X Window System clients
[06:28] <Bobby_> does anyone know?
[06:28] <pestilence> well, whatever just happened, Xorg freed it all up.  it's down to 66megs which is much more reasonable
[06:28] <pestilence> and literally, nothing changed in the meantime.
[06:29] <pestilence> i didn't open/close anything.
[06:29] <crimsun> again, that's normal
[06:29] <crimsun> that's why you should avoid being alarmed by what ps/top report
[06:29] <pestilence> so what causes it to flare up like that?
[06:29] <crimsun> the server will discard cached pixmaps
[06:30] <nrdb> I know this is OT but does anyone know where the XP version of thunderbird stores it emails, and if I can just copy these to a Linux computer and they can be read by a Linux version of thunderbird?
[06:31] <pestilence> ah.  it was a thread in a forum i was viewing that had a lot of large images in it.  the guy was trying to demonstrate to everyone how firefox leaks memory.
[06:31] <pestilence> instead i noticed that Xorg flared up :)
[06:31] <pestilence> firefox seems to do just fine with it.
[06:31] <Bobby_> Can anyone help me out? I am trying to write a "protected" file
[06:32] <nrdb> Bobby_: what do you mean by protected.
[06:32] <pestilence> Bobby_, chmod u+w filename
[06:32] <kameron> Bobby_, chmod u+w filename
[06:32] <kameron> pestilence, ....good call
[06:32] <pestilence> echo?
[06:32] <pestilence> :-D
[06:32] <Bobby_> i am opening it up in Kate.... ??
[06:32] <howcomes> http://pix2.bangme.net/userphotos/approved/314028.jpg
[06:32] <Bobby_> is that possible?
[06:32] <kameron> Bobby_, doesn't matter what you open it in, you need to change the permissions of the file
[06:33] <Bobby_>  ic
[06:33] <Bobby_> so i do that in terminal?
[06:33] <kameron> Bobby_, yes.
[06:33] <Bobby_> chmod: changing permissions of `/etc/X11/xorg.conf': Operation not permitted
[06:34] <Bobby_> oh, nm
[06:34] <Bobby_> forgot sudo
[06:34] <nrdb> Bobby_: try logging in as root to first.
[06:34] <Bobby_> would sudo work?
[06:34] <nrdb> Bobby_: yes
[06:34] <pestilence> Bobby_, odds are the permissions of xorg.conf are just fine
[06:34] <Bobby_> lemme see
[06:35] <Bobby_> pest, but i have to change it... and it said it couldnt
[06:35] <pestilence> Bobby_, you need to *edit* it with sudo... try gksudo kate &
[06:35] <nrdb> Bobby_: you first need to be a user with write permissions to a file to change its permissions.
[06:36] <Bobby_> nrd, right... how do i give myself permissions? i am the only user on the system
[06:36] <pestilence> Bobby_, don't give yourself permission.  edit it under sudo
[06:36] <Bobby_> ok
[06:36] <Bobby_> pest, does that have to be done in terminal?
[06:36] <pestilence> Bobby_, see my previous comment
[06:37] <nrdb> Bobby_: sudo gives you the permissions to do just about anything.
[06:37] <pestilence> Bobby_, as in, open kate with gksudo
[06:37] <nrdb> pestilence: I don't have gksudo, should I?
[06:37] <pestilence> that is, if you really must use kate to edit xorg.conf.
[06:37] <Bobby_> ksudo kate &
[06:37] <Bobby_> bash: gksudo: command not found
[06:37] <Bobby_> [1]  851
[06:37] <Bobby_> [1]    Exit 127                gksudo kate
[06:37] <pestilence> nrdb, well, dunno.  it's in ubuntu proper, don't know about kubuntu.  maybe there is a k alternative :-D
[06:38] <Bobby_> pest, what does that mean?
[06:38] <nrdb> Bobby_: in a shell 'sudo kate' worked for me.
[06:39] <Bobby_> dan@ubuntu:~$ sudo kate
[06:39] <Bobby_> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[06:39] <bbeck> I think gksudo and kdesu are similar
[06:40] <nrdb> Bobby_: if just a simple edit use 'nano'
[06:40] <pestilence> winner.
[06:40] <pestilence> ^^^ bbeck
[06:40] <Bobby_> so what after sudo nano?
[06:41] <pestilence> Bobby_, if you want kate, do kdesu kate
[06:41] <nrdb> Bobby_: name of file.
[06:42] <Bobby_> hmm..... nuttins happening
[06:42] <pestilence> what did you type
[06:42] <Bobby_> kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf and nothing
[06:42] <Bobby_> came up
[06:43] <nrdb> Bobby_: that command worked fine for me
[06:43] <pestilence> Bobby_, general advise, it never hurts to at least know how to use one editor that runs in a terminal.
[06:43] <Bobby_> weird
[06:43] <Bobby_> pest, i'm using nano now
[06:43] <pestilence> Bobby_, nano is easy, vim is my preference, some people like emacs
[06:45] <nrdb> I know this is OT but my boss wants to move from XP to Linux, does anyone know where the XP version of thunderbird stores its emails, and if I can just copy these to a Linux computer, can they can be read by a Linux version of thunderbird?
[06:45] <Reborn> so am i a dolt for using pico?
[06:45] <lwizardl> hi
[06:46] <pestilence> nrdb, dunno, but it's worth a shot.  i'd bet it works.
[06:46] <nrdb> pestilence: do you know where the files are?
[06:46] <lwizardl> hello
[06:46] <pestilence> nrdb, it's in c:\Documents and Settings\user\(some hidden folder, i think Local Settings)\mozilla-thunderbird
[06:47] <nrdb> pestilence: thanks
[06:47] <eightiesk> !kde3.5.1
[06:47] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[06:47] <lwizardl> how can you tell the kubuntu cdrom which packages to install and which not install
[06:47] <eightiesk> !kde2.5
[06:47] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[06:47] <eightiesk> !kde3.5
[06:47] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[06:52] <Reborn> uhm
[06:52] <Reborn> is it normal for me to open system settings and be greeted with a blank screen?
[06:53] <Knowerrors> Hey all, Im looking for free high resolution images of church stain glass windows to project with a digital projector, can anybody suggest good download site?
[06:54] <kameron> what does katapult do?
[06:55] <kameron> Knowerrors, http://www.google.com/imghp?hl=en&tab=wi&q=
[06:56] <bbeck> kameron: It's an app used to lauch apps, files and bookmarks.
[06:56] <kameron> bbeck ... i still don't get what it does
[06:57] <Knowerrors> kameron: already been to google and other search engines, thx, Im looking for good specific image download sites
[06:58] <bbeck> kameron: go ahead and start it up, press alt+space and start typing.  When it reaches the thing you'd like to launch press enter.
[06:59] <kameron> bbeck, ahhhh, i see. so, it extends alt+f2?
[06:59] <kameron> bbeck, damn that's handy.
[07:03] <Reborn> i just did a fresh install
[07:04] <Reborn> i try to open system settings
[07:04] <Reborn> nothing there
[07:04] <Reborn> any ideas?
[07:04] <saerdna> i accidently removed all installed fonts. can someone please gzip them and upload them somwhere for me before my system goes whacked?
[07:06] <kameron> saerdna got pwned by sudo
[07:06] <saerdna> kameron: no by the kde font installer
[07:06] <kameron> ah
[07:07] <Reborn> so no ideas then eh?
[07:07] <saerdna> i can ssh to the box
[07:07] <saerdna> but i dont know what to do then
[07:07] <saerdna> =)
[07:07] <kameron> where are the fonts located?
[07:08] <jay> hello?
[07:08] <Reborn> so
[07:08] <vandal> um /usr/share/fonts me thinsk
[07:08] <Reborn> control center... nothing in there... how?
[07:08] <saerdna> /usr/share/fonts or something
[07:08] <jay> i just installed breezy kubuntu on a laptop, when i boot it up it gets stuck at the "checking battery state"
[07:08] <jay> can anyone help me with this?
[07:10] <kameron> saerdna, you can't just apt-get install them?
[07:10] <jay> i haven't changed anything in the os since the install since i've never been able to get into the graphical login screen
[07:11] <saerdna> kameron i wish apt-get reinstall worked
[07:12] <jay> hello?
[07:12] <kameron> saerdna, i mean like.. sudo apt-get install xfonts* or something.
[07:12] <kameron> jay, i've never installed on a laptop, sorry.
[07:12] <Saguro134> jay,do you have an ATI radeon card?
[07:12] <jay> yes, the graphics chipset on the laptop is a radeon xpress 200m
[07:12] <Saguro134> I had the same problem.
[07:13] <saerdna> apt-get --reinstall install should work according to man
[07:13] <Saguro134> jay: ??
[07:13] <jay> saguro what shoudl i do to resolve this?
[07:16] <Saguro134> can you get to a bash?
[07:16] <jay> saguro, sorry, i'm a total newb, how do i do that?
[07:17] <Saguro134> I'm pretty new myself.
[07:17] <jay> so far, it gets to the kubuntu boot screen
[07:17] <Saguro134> when the grub bootloader comes up, choose the recovery mode, and see if you can get a text prompt.
[07:18] <jay> and then it kicks out to the chekcs
[07:18] <jay> ok, i'll try that, one sec
[07:18] <Saguro134> do you have an ati card?
[07:18] <Saguro134> b/c I had the same problem, but it was related to an ATI graphics card.
[07:18] <jay> saguro: yes i have an ati xpress 200m on the laptop
[07:19] <Saguro134> ookay.
[07:19] <Saguro134> sorry.. mmissed the line that said you did.
[07:19] <Saguro134> okay..
[07:19] <Saguro134> when you get to a prompt, type 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[07:19] <jay> saguro: i'm at a "command prompt"
[07:20] <Saguro134> then when it asks you for what kind of chipset you have, choose 'VESA'
[07:20] <Saguro134> then follow through the rest of the setup, then reboot, and kubuntu should come up..
[07:20] <Saguro134> tell me if this resolves you issue?
[07:20] <jay> saguro: should i allow it to autodetect which chipset?
[07:21] <Saguro134> no
[07:21] <Saguro134> then a menu should appear.. then choose 'VESA'
[07:22] <jay> saguro: ok, lemme try
[07:22] <jay> saguro: should i "use kernel framebuffer device interface"?
[07:23] <Saguro134> I did
[07:23] <Saguro134> and I had no problems
[07:26] <vandal> night all
[07:26] <jay> saguro: it kicked me back out to the bash prompt
[07:29] <jay> saguro: what shoudl I do now
[07:29] <jay> ?
[07:31] <[Vampis] > morning :)
[07:36] <Saguro134> sorry
[07:36] <Saguro134> you finished the config process?
[07:36] <Saguro134> and it dropped you back to the prompt?
[07:36] <Saguro134> then you restart your pc normally.
[07:36] <Saguro134> and everything should be ok.
[07:37] <jay> saguro: yes, ok, i'll restart.  is there a command to do that or just power off and on?
[07:37] <Saguro134> gf came in.. ;p
[07:38] <jay> saguro: np ;)
[07:39] <[Vampis] > and she didnt leave
[07:39] <[Vampis] > ;)
[07:43] <homucidul> hey
[07:43] <homucidul> i just downloaded kubuntu
[07:43] <homucidul> kubuntu-5.10-live-amd64
[07:43] <homucidul> do i unzip it with winrar
[07:43] <homucidul> then burn it
[07:43] <homucidul> or just burn the rar
[07:44] <homucidul> ?
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> rar?
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should be an iso
[07:44] <frank23> homucidul: are you sure it's not an iso? maybe they are associated with winrar
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> and you should burn the iso, making sure it's bootable
[07:44] <[Vampis] > Its assosiated
[07:44] <[Vampis] > just select "burn image" and it will be bootable
[07:44] <frank23> homucidul: use a cd burning program and choose burn iso or burn image
[07:45] <jay> saguro: same problem, no change
[07:45] <homucidul> ahh
[07:45] <eightiesk> !kde
[07:45] <ubotu> from memory, kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[07:45] <homucidul> will fireburner work?
[07:45] <frank23> homucidul: and the live cd is just to try. you won't be able to install with that one
[07:45] <[Vampis] > homucidul: If you can find a imageburn function in it , it will work
[07:46] <eightiesk> !kdeheader
[07:46] <[Vampis] > homucidul: wich os do u have ?
[07:46] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[07:47] <homucidul> vamps: xp
[07:48] <[Vampis] > homucidul: use dvd-decryptor
[07:48] <[Vampis] > works on cdr to
[07:48] <[Vampis] > http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/DVD_Decrypter/1011845169/1
[07:49] <[Vampis] > if fireburner dont work that is
[07:49] <[Vampis] > I have never used fireburner so :)
[07:49] <homucidul> k
[07:49] <homucidul> i have dvd decrypter
[07:49] <homucidul> ill use tha
[07:49] <[Vampis] > But when I use windows I always use dvd decrytpor to burn images
[07:49] <[Vampis] > :)
[07:49] <homucidul> do I have to verify?
[07:50] <[Vampis] > Not if you dont want to :)
[07:50] <homucidul> wat does that do
[07:50] <[Vampis] > It's just a livecd, your not going to install from it so, its not neccesery to verify
[07:50] <[Vampis] > it verifys that the image is correctly burned on the cd
[07:50] <[Vampis] > When the image is burned on the cd, they check the data from the cd against the image
[07:52] <eightiesk> !gaim
[07:52] <ubotu> I guess gaim is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GaimHowto/
[07:52] <Necron> hi. yesterday i installed my first kubuntu (i used debian). it looks really neat, but i couldnt find a kernel-source package on the cd. is there one or do kubuntus just use kernel.org?
[07:52] <[Vampis] > You installed kubuntu in debian ? eeh ?
[07:52] <jay> saguro: u there?
[07:53] <Necron> vampis: no, i used debian until now (just to say a word about my background and knowledge) and yesterday installed a fresh kubuntu ... i just wanted to take a look at it and perhaps (if i like it) change to kubuntu ...
[07:54] <[Vampis] > aha, sorry :)
[07:54] <[Vampis] > It's to early for me ;)
[07:54] <eightiesk> why won't my kopete connect?
[07:54] <Necron> vampis: your welcome ;-)
[07:55] <Necron> so, is there a kernel-source package?
[07:55] <Necron> i only found linux and linux-i386
[07:55] <Necron> but there was no source delivered when i installed
[07:55] <[Vampis] > I use apt-get the get kernel source
[07:55] <Necron> but from which source?
[07:56] <Necron> the cd?
[07:56] <Necron> my problem is, that i need the kernel-source to compile my kernel to get internet
[07:56] <[Vampis] > No, It should be available on one of the synaptics in the sources.list
[07:56] <Necron> and if there is no kernel-source on the cd, i have a problem :)
[07:56] <[Vampis] > :)
[07:57] <Necron> then i have to download it as a package and copy it over to my kubuntu-partition
[07:57] <[Vampis] > Have you opened sources.list and uncomment the synaptic sources ?
[07:57] <[Vampis] > I'll guess so
[07:57] <frank23> Necron: the kernel source is not on the cd
[07:57] <Necron> vampis: i did nothing till now, its the standard installation
[07:57] <[Vampis] > ah
[07:57] <Necron> frank: ah, thanks. so i just download the source from kernel.org?
[07:58] <frank23> Necron: you should download it from the ubuntu repositories
[07:58] <Necron> frank23: do you have a link? :)
[07:58] <Necron> frank23: and is there something like packages.debian.org?
[07:59] <frank23> packages.ubuntu.org
[07:59] <homucidul> problem guys
[07:59] <Necron> ah ;-)
[07:59] <frank23> (or .com)
[07:59] <[Vampis] > packages.ubuntu.com is it
[07:59] <homucidul> I just burned kubuntu to a dvd
[07:59] <homucidul> and then rebooeted with it in my drive
[07:59] <[Vampis] > not .org
[07:59] <homucidul> and im on windows
[07:59] <[Vampis] > homucidul: good luck
[07:59] <[Vampis] > It's a live cd, nothing can go wrong ;)
[07:59] <homucidul> it didnt boot to linux
[07:59] <frank23> homucidul: you have to change the boot order in your bios
[08:00] <[Vampis] > ah, exactly
[08:00] <Necron> frank: and i was confused about "make" not beeing installed
[08:00] <homucidul> how do you do that?
[08:00] <Necron> frank: a quick apt-get install make ... and it was done
[08:00] <[Vampis] > as I said, to early for me, I only read 50 % of the sentances ;)
[08:00] <frank23> Necron: there are no compilers or anything in the default installation
[08:00] <[Vampis] > Necron, or apt-get install build-essential
[08:00] <Necron> frank: does kubuntu use a different thing?
[08:00] <Necron> ah :) thanks
[08:00] <homucidul> how do i change the boot order?
[08:01] <[Vampis] > In bios
[08:01] <homucidul> take the jumper off the motherboard?
[08:01] <Necron> the same as debian, but not the same ;-)
[08:01] <[Vampis] > no no
[08:01] <[Vampis] > dont touch the motherboard :P
[08:01] <[Vampis] > homucidul: do you now how to enter bios ?
[08:01] <homucidul> nope
[08:01] <frank23> Necron: ubuntu is like a tweaked snapshot of debian.
[08:02] <[Vampis] > Ok, when you boot up the computer, when it checks the RAM and so on, you press either F1 or ESC depending on manufatcurer
[08:02] <homucidul> manufacturer is intel
[08:02] <[Vampis] > It should say "press X to enter setup" or something like that
[08:02] <Necron> frank23: thats what i hope :) i like debian very much, but i dont want to use unstable just to have xorg and kde3.5
[08:02] <homucidul> nah
[08:02] <[Vampis] > nah ?
[08:02] <homucidul> i never seen it
[08:02] <frank23> Necron: I never used debian but ubuntu is all debian inside
[08:03] <[Vampis] > well, when it boot up, try ESC or F1 when u boot then, and hope that you'll enter bios ;)
[08:03] <homucidul> k
[08:03] <Necron> frank23: what was your distribution before ubuntu?
[08:03] <homucidul> thx
[08:03] <Necron> frank23: and kubuntu is the same as ubuntu, but only has kde-packages instead of gnome?
[08:03] <[Vampis] > hm, dont know how to change boot order, well well
[08:03] <sampan> lol hope he knows how to change the boot order once he's in bios
[08:03] <[Vampis] > Necron: correct
[08:03] <Necron> frank23: or does kubuntu have other differences too?
[08:04] <[Vampis] > sampan: I'm afraid of the things he can do in there :P
[08:04] <frank23> Necron: I had tried Fedora and Red Hat but Ubuntu is the first linux I really stuck with
[08:04] <sampan> [vampis]   indeed -- we may never see him again :X
[08:04] <[Vampis] > sampan: Low level format? ;)
[08:04] <[Vampis] > Well, he understood what we said in here so we know that he can read :)
[08:04] <frank23> !kubuntu
[08:04] <ubotu> I guess kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, (not a fork) ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[08:04] <Necron> frank23: i tried suse, redhat, slackware and gentoo before i came to debian. debian was the one i loved ;-)
[08:05] <[Vampis] > :)
[08:05] <Necron> ubotu: thanks
[08:05] <ubotu> Necron: no problem
[08:05] <sampan> [vampis]   yeah -- lots of bios is pretty self-explanatory. so there's hope.  on the other hand, maybe he's one of those types that is just gonna freak out and hit any old thing and hope ...
[08:05] <[Vampis] > Something like that
[08:05] <frank23> Necron: yeah kubuntu and ubuntu share the exact same repositories. ubuntu-desktop depends on everything you need for ubuntu and the same for kubuntu-desktop
[08:06] <frank23> Necron: you can have both if you want
[08:06] <[Vampis] > sampan: he thought he should move the jumpers on the motherboard :P
[08:06] <sampan> O/o
[08:06] <[Vampis] > On new motherboards , only time I've had to move jumpers is when I cleared CMOS
[08:06] <[Vampis] > :)
[08:07] <sampan> hahaha
[08:07] <[Vampis] > ;)
[08:07] <[Vampis] > or maybe
[08:07] <sampan> now i'm thinking about leg of lamb... mmmmm
[08:07] <[Vampis] > :>
[08:07] <[Vampis] > Hm, I'm thinking of drinking some breakfast
[08:08] <Necron> frank23: sounds really nice for the moment. as said, yesterday i only did the standard install. i think today i will try to set it up the way i want it to have.
[08:09] <frank23> Necron: just use adept or synaptic to install everything you want
[08:09] <Necron> frank23: i was sticky to apt-get till now, but yesterday i took a quick look at adept and it looks really great :)
[08:10] <Necron> frank23: oh, where do i get the kernel-source now? i would like to use the ubuntu-kernel source ..
[08:10] <[Vampis] > I'll never used adept
[08:10] <frank23> Necron: there are scripts in the forums like automatix and easyubuntu to add everything you might want. I never used them but I think they work
[08:10] <frank23> do you have internet on the kubuntu machine?
[08:10] <Necron> frank23: dont forget, that i dont have internet in kubuntu right now ;-) i have to get some .deb packages
[08:10] <[Vampis] > !automatix
[08:10] <ubotu> Automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does other harmful things like "echo -e 'ynY\n'" that are considered security risks. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications but the best thing is to read documentation.
[08:11] <[Vampis] > That should say it all
[08:11] <Necron> frank23: no, thats why i need the kernel-source to compile it for my usb-wireless-router :)
[08:12] <[Vampis] > sampan: make some coffee for me
[08:12] <[Vampis] > ;)
[08:12] <frank23> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/devel/linux-source-2.6.12
[08:12] <Necron> frank23: thanks, just found it :)
[08:12] <[Vampis] > hm, I'll maybe ought to change from i368 to i686 kernel
[08:13] <Necron> frank23: now i have to be sure, to get everything i need (prerequisites) ... ;-)
[08:14] <frank23> Necron: good luck!
[08:15] <Necron> frank23: thanks ;-)
[08:15] <frank23> Necron: another way would be to find a live cd that supports you router and chroot into your ubuntu partition
[08:16] <Necron> frank23: i fear, there is no one for my router :)
[08:16] <[Vampis] > Swedens Methrological and hydrological institut is changing to Linux :)
[08:16] <[Vampis] > Read it yesterday :)
[08:24] <[Vampis] > sampan: I wounder where he went :)
[08:36] <kameron> werd
[08:37] <[Vampis] > :)
[08:43] <[Vampis] > Damn
[08:43] <[Vampis] > I'm in love with ALT+F5
[08:43] <[Vampis] > :D
[08:44] <manveru> it's so handy - and there everytime i need it
[08:45] <manveru> who needs a live when there's linux?
[08:45] <kkathman> oh you ARE sick!!!
[08:45] <kkathman> lol
[08:46] <manveru> oh... well... these women sound interesting, what are they running on? *duck*
[08:46] <kkathman> money and lots of it :)
[08:46] <[Vampis] > lol
[08:46] <manveru> ^^
[08:46] <[Vampis] > kkathman: well, I have all of that you suggested
[08:46] <manveru> thought so - worse then apple i guess...
[08:46] <[Vampis] > but I'm not clubbing @ 8:46 AM
[08:46] <[Vampis] > ;)
[08:46] <manveru> -e+a
[08:46] <kkathman> if it has wheels or a skirt you cant afford it man
[08:47] <manveru> hmm
[08:47] <_vge> how did i set up firefox to open links that come form for example from Konversation as "external" links and not as local ones with file://something?
[08:47] <kkathman> so yeah..might as well stick with linux you convinced me
[08:47] <manveru> here i sit, in the middle of tokyo, still working at 5pm... :|
[08:48] <[Vampis] > tokyo, nice
[08:48] <[Vampis] > :>
[08:48] <[Vampis] > Sweden here
[08:50] <jsgotangco> tokyo?
[08:50] <jsgotangco> Mark is there at the moment
[08:51] <manveru> dunno mark
[08:51] <kkathman> its 1:51am here in Texas
[08:51] <manveru> but i don't know many persons :)
[08:51] <[Vampis] > Oh Texas
[08:51] <[Vampis] > :D
[08:51] <kkathman> Please do!
[08:51] <jsgotangco> manveru: Mark Shuttleworth
[08:52] <kkathman> we'll sure give you a warm welcome
[08:52] <[Vampis] > :)
[08:52] <[Vampis] > "Damn tourists" ? ;)
[08:52] <kkathman> nah
[08:52] <[Vampis] > I can imagine myself living there
[08:52] <kkathman> shoot, a full 1/2 of our home town hockey team is Finnish!
[08:53] <[Vampis] > LOL.
[08:53] <kkathman> weapon-politics - is that where we put all the policians in a building and fire mortars at it?
[08:53] <[Vampis] > :P
[08:54] <[Vampis] > Didnt know how to express it :P
[08:54] <kkathman> and so liberal weapon politics means we spare no expense...100's fo mortar shells
[08:54] <[Vampis] > hehe
[08:54] <manveru> uh, didn't know about mark... and that after almost a year of kubuntu...
[08:55] <[Vampis] > here in sweden they get a slap on the wrist and a "ooh, we feel so sorry for you, dont do this again, bye bye"
[08:55] <jsgotangco> manveru: he'll be in tokyo till monday i believe
[08:56] <manveru> jsgotangco: well, not much of a help for me :)
[08:57] <jsgotangco> :)
[08:57] <jsgotangco> just letting you know :)
[08:57] <manveru> maybe i'll be crammed into the same car with thousands of japanese some day...
[08:57] <_vge> naah, sweden is one timezone toomutch into west
[08:57] <manveru> and then i see him - on the other side, over the heads of black-haired people trying to stare nowhere
[08:57] <[Vampis] > _vge: lol
[08:58] <_vge> ;)
[08:58] <[Vampis] > _vge: so where in finland are u from ?
[08:58] <_vge> westcoast
[08:58] <[Vampis] > not to close to russia then
[08:58] <[Vampis] > lol
[08:58] <[Vampis] > :=)
[08:59] <[Vampis] > or the bestcoust ;)
[08:59] <[Vampis] > coast *
[09:01] <kameron> anyone use  koffice?
[09:02] <kkathman> i used to kameron
[09:02] <kkathman> I went back to open office
[09:02] <kameron> kkathman, how does it stack up to.... open office, ah, i see.
[09:02] <dell500> i'm using gnupod, just wondering how to apply a patch to a certain file (gnupod_otgsync)...
[09:07] <dell500> how do you apply patches?
[09:19] <Bobby_> Hello :)
[09:19] <[Vampis|Away] > Hellolo
[09:19] <[Vampis|Away] > Damn, I'm away, I'm not supposed to answer :P
[09:20] <Bobby_> I have a quick question
[09:20] <|kkathma|> we can give quick answers
[09:20] <[Vampis|Away] > And maybe I have a slow answer
[09:20] <[Vampis|Away] > ;)
[09:20] <Bobby_> How do i make a certain partition bootable? like, add a bootable flag to it?
[09:20] <|kkathma|> or some people like no answer at all
[09:20] <[Vampis|Away] > Bobby_: Fdisk
[09:20] <Bobby_> yeah
[09:20] <Bobby_> but i'm not sure of the syntax
[09:21] <dell500> anyone know how to apply a patch?
[09:21] <[Vampis|Away] > sudo fdisk /dev/hdxx
[09:21] <dell500> I'm not sure it's specifying the right lines or not...
[09:21] <[Vampis|Away] > where hdxx is the partition you want to change
[09:21] <Bobby_> and what do i put at the end?
[09:22] <Bobby_> dont a need a -something ?
[09:22] <[Vampis|Away] > At the end ?
[09:22] <[Vampis|Away] > nope not yet
[09:22] <[Vampis|Away] > sudo fdisk /dev/hdxx <-- press enter
[09:22] <[Vampis|Away] > then your in
[09:22] <[Vampis|Away] > then u press a
[09:22] <[Vampis|Away] > Command action
[09:22] <[Vampis|Away] >    a   toggle a bootable flag
[09:22] <Bobby_> ah ok
[09:22] <[Vampis|Away] > and then w
[09:22] <Bobby_> i c
[09:22] <[Vampis|Away] > w   write table to disk and exit
[09:23] <[Vampis|Away] > Anything else ? :)
[09:23] <Bobby_> hm.... i'm trying it right now
[09:24] <[Vampis|Away] > ah
[09:24] <[Vampis|Away] > :)
[09:24] <Bobby_> vamp, its asking for partition # again (1-4) ... but i' already in hdc3
[09:25] <[Vampis|Away] > it it ?
[09:25] <Bobby_> huh?
[09:25] <[Vampis|Away] > hm, press P
[09:25] <[Vampis|Away] > to list the tables
[09:25] <[Vampis|Away] > and doublecheck before
[09:25] <[Vampis|Away] > :)
[09:25] <Bobby_>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[09:25] <Bobby_> /dev/hdc1   *           1        2581    20725292   83  Linux
[09:25] <Bobby_> /dev/hdc2            2581        5161    20725292   af  Unknown
[09:25] <Bobby_> /dev/hdc3            5161        9730    36700114+  af  Unkno
[09:25] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[09:25] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:26] <[Vampis|Away] > now hdc1 has the bootflag
[09:26] <Bobby_> i want to make /dev/hdc3 bootable
[09:26] <[Vampis|Away] > then choose 3
[09:26] <[Vampis|Away] > and then you press P again
[09:26] <[Vampis|Away] > and see if it has changed to it
[09:26] <[Vampis|Away] > and if it has, then u can save the changes
[09:26] <Bobby_> Warning: partition 3 has empty type
[09:27] <Bobby_> ????????  /dev/hdc3p3   *           1           1           0    0  Empty
[09:27] <Bobby_> what is THAT?
[09:27] <[Vampis|Away] > lol, no fu**ing clue :)
[09:27] <kkathman> in your fstab?
[09:28] <[Vampis|Away] > kkathman: in fdisk
[09:28] <kkathman> looks like you have no file system type (i.e. ext3, reiserfs, etc)
[09:28] <kkathman> oh
[09:28] <kkathman> hmm weird in fdisk
[09:28] <kkathman> thats a weird designation too
[09:28] <Bobby_> kk, i have "linux" as my system type
[09:29] <kkathman> oddd
[09:29] <muchio> hi guys
[09:30] <[Vampis|Away] > use gparted or qparted
[09:30] <[Vampis|Away] > if you have Xserver
[09:30] <muchio> anyone could help with mp3 playback?
[09:30] <Bobby_> oops.... nm.... i got it!
[09:30] <[Vampis|Away] > ah ok
[09:30] <[Vampis|Away] > you did something wrong ? :P
[09:30] <Bobby_> its sudo fdisk /dev/hdc......
[09:30] <[Vampis|Away] > aha
[09:30] <muchio> I've installed gstremer-mad and akode
[09:30] <ba> how can i reinstall my ubuntu bootloader
[09:30] <Bobby_> not hdc1, 2, 3, etc
[09:30] <[Vampis|Away] > sorry, my bad
[09:30] <[Vampis|Away] > :)
[09:31] <Bobby_> lol, vamp, u screwed me!!!
[09:31] <Bobby_> ;)
[09:31] <[Vampis|Away] > Yepp, Right up the *** ;)
[09:31] <[Vampis|Away] > And you liked it, admit it!
[09:31] <[Vampis|Away] > ;)
[09:31] <Bobby_> thaanks all... later!
[09:31] <Bobby_> lol
[09:31] <[Vampis|Away] > :)
[09:32] <freemanen> #join linuxhelp
[09:33] <muchio> me/
[09:33] <muchio> ?
[09:33] <boz> i'm beginning to be a pain in the neck i know, lol but i sure could use some help getting streamripper onto my desktop.  I downloaded it from the repo. the executable is under usr/bin.  when i type streamripper in the term it throws back all the command line usage. am i missing something here???
[09:41] <visik7> anyone with kde 3.5.1 can run from the command line "kcmshell fileshare" and tell me if it works?
[09:45] <dell500> anyone here know the correct fstab entry for an ipod?
[09:46] <visik7> fstab ?
[09:46] <visik7> it's not needed
[09:46] <visik7> ah maybe amarok ...
[09:46] <visik7> btw
[09:46] <dell500> well i use gnupod instead to convert flac
[09:47] <dell500> but i need to get all the glitches kinked out before it works and my flacs can be put on there, so i need to know the fstab entry so i can add options
[09:47] <visik7>  if it's viewd as a storage device just put /dev/sda1 /mnt/somewhere fat32 defaults 0 0
[09:48] <visik7> but Ipod mp3 aren't stored in fs
[09:49] <dell500> it's on /dev/sdc2 where the files are stored
[09:50] <Mr_Smiley> hi
[09:57] <whatever> I can't get this shell(vshnu) to work; http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~kinzler/vshnu/
[09:57] <whatever> I used alien to convert  tar to deb, then dpkg -i vshnu..deb
[09:58] <dell500> anyone know how to remove an icon theme?
[09:58] <whatever> After this i thought it should work with the command 'vshnu' but it doesn't :(
[10:22] <mcsteels> does anyone know of a database style shop builder for ubuntu?
[10:24] <mcsteels> anyone??
[10:26] <visik7> anyone use amarok with xine backend
[10:28] <Hobbsee> visik7: yep
[10:29] <Necron> hm. how can i tell adept that i want to use a webproxyserver?
[10:35] <mcsteels> does anyone know of a database style shop builder for ubuntu?
[10:48] <Saguro134> anyone here know vmware?  m ore specifically, how to install it?
[10:50] <gummo> hola
[10:51] <gummo> me podria ayudar alguien
[10:51] <gummo> es con el gcc
[10:51] <gummo> no consigo compilar
[10:52] <visik7> Saguro134: there's a .bin
[10:52] <visik7> I guess
[10:52] <visik7> or rpm
[10:52] <visik7> not deb
[10:52] <visik7> IIRC
[10:52] <visik7> but vmware sucks
[10:53] <visik7> use qemu with kernel ext
[10:53] <gummo> hello
[10:53] <gummo> do you know gcc
[10:53] <gummo> c programation
[10:54] <visik7> not much
[10:54] <gummo> i can't compilate with gcc
[10:55] <visik7> uh ?
[10:55] <gummo> it said than stdio.h, don't know
[10:56] <gummo> I donwload all gcc program with kpackage
[10:56] <gummo> me english isvery bad, sory
[10:57] <gummo> do you speak french or spanish
[10:57] <Saguro134> does anyone know anything about vmware here?
[10:58] <gummo> ok
[10:58] <gummo> i'm don know
[10:58] <gummo> and you about gcc compilator
[10:59] <hawking> I am using privoxy but it doesn't work properly I mean .. when I look up if my IP is changed I see no difference can someone have a look at my privoxy configuration file and tell me why? here it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/cG3qzG18.html
[11:01] <Saguro134> what do you need to know?
[11:12] <visik7> lisa crash only to me ?
[11:15] <WolfT> Hey everyibe
[11:15] <WolfT> one*
[11:15] <WolfT> Damn, kb.
[11:16] <WolfT> Anyone alive?
[11:16] <visik7> no
[11:16] <electuZ> ..
[11:16] <WolfT> Oh, ok. :P
[11:16] <visik7> :)
[11:16] <visik7> seems
[11:17] <WolfT> Have you ever used Automatix?
[11:17] <visik7> no I don't like it
[11:17] <WolfT> Why not?
[11:17] <visik7> !automatix
[11:17] <ubotu> Automatix is unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does other harmful things like "echo -e 'ynY\n'" that are considered security risks. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications but the best thing is to read documentation.
[11:17] <visik7> for these and other reason
[11:18] <WolfT> Rofl, have you ever used it though?
[11:18] <visik7> no and I don't want
[11:18] <visik7> and I don't need
[11:18] <sampan> wolft  i used it -- it massively broke my system and i ended out doing a completely new, fresh install
[11:18] <WolfT> I've been editing it, I took out almost all the stuff it had before....
[11:18] <visik7> !easyubuntu
[11:18] <ubotu> well, easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more.  It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesnt change any settings by default. https://launchpad.net/products/easyubuntu or #easyubuntu
[11:19] <sampan> was a while ago though -- first weeks of breezy release -- after my reinstall i wouldn't ever touch it again, so i have no idea how it might have changed since then
[11:20] <hawking> how can i get identd?
[11:21] <sampan> hawking  you'd need to install an identd server and set it up.  there are HOWTOs on how to do so (check google) but tbh, i've never been bothered
[11:21] <WolfT> Well, do you know of another way to 'make an autoscript'? I basically took it, and stripped it. Then added all the stuff I have now (Flock, Firefox 1.5, Development stuff, yakuake, etc, etc).
[11:21] <WolfT> All I did was have it change the sources.list, and then have sudo apt-get install commands for each one.
[11:21] <hawking> sampan : I mean I try to connect to efnet but it says banned no identd or smth like that...
[11:21] <sampan> wolft i wouldn't have a clue.  i'm not at all script/code-literate
[11:22] <sampan> hawking  yep.  some servers on some networks will ban any client that doesn't have identd enabled.  many servers on undernet are that way too.
[11:22] <hawking> sampan : well I can connect to undernet
[11:22] <sampan> hawking  have you tried -all- the efnet servers individually?  there may be some that are mavericks and don't ban for that?
[11:23] <hawking> hmm well it tries automatically..
[11:23] <sampan> hawking  yeah-- there are a few undernet servers that don't check (mesa.az, helsinki, etc.).  try getting a list of efnet servers (from their website) and trying each one manually
[11:23] <hawking> k
[11:26] <sampan> hawking  afaik, setting up an identd server isn't really hard, but since it's an indpendent service, you'll need to config it manually (via text files) and such.  there's several identd packages in the repos: oidentd, pidentd, sidentd, slidentd, gidentd
[11:26] <hawking> sampan : I see I'll have a look
[11:26] <sampan> good luck :)
[11:28] <fatbrain> Hi, I have installed Subversion on my kubuntu, do I need apache to access the svn repository from a remote location?
[11:31] <dini> hello
[11:32] <tristan> helo
[11:32] <electuZ> hi dini.
[11:34] <Necron> is there a quick and easy way to get kde3.5 for breezy? or is 3.5 not suggested (not stable)?
[11:39] <dell500> anyone know if there is a plugin that will do milkdrop type funtions? i heard project m is good, but i'm not sure if it can use it or not with amarok
[11:39] <electuZ> how can i mount VMware disk?
[11:40] <visik7> u can't
[11:40] <visik7> and this is not a vmware help channel IIRC
[11:41] <electuZ> visik7: i'm sorry..
[11:43] <electuZ> visik7: how do you know that can't mount?
[11:43] <visik7> reading the doc
[11:43] <visik7> quite easy
[11:44] <visik7> u should delete the first 63*512 byte of the image and then maybe u can mount it in loop
[11:45] <visik7> but I'm not so sure it works
[11:45] <electuZ> thanks.. where is the doc?
[11:45] <visik7> what ?
[11:45] <visik7> the way I described ?
[12:04] <gummo> hola
[12:05] <gummo> alguien me puede ayudar?
[12:05] <robotgeek> hola guma
[12:05] <robotgeek> !es
[12:05] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:05] <gummo> SI
[12:05] <gummo> GRACIAS
[12:06] <gummo> no estais en el otro canal
[12:06] <gummo> a ver yo necesito ayuda con el gcc
[12:06] <gummo> compilador de linux
[12:06] <robotgeek> gummo: i can't follow spanish, sorry
[12:07] <robotgeek> please try to ask in english, maybe i can help
[12:07] <gummo> can you help me with gcc compilator
[12:08] <robotgeek> maybe sudo apt-get install build-essential will help
[12:08] <gummo> ok
[12:12] <gummo> to actualicer, whats de code
[12:14] <robotgeek> gummo: no following you, what's you native language?
[12:15] <gummo> spanish but i speak english
[12:15] <robotgeek> gummo: i'm sorry, but i am not able to follow you. maybe as in #ubuntu-es/#kubuntu-es ?
[12:16] <gummo> a lot of thanks
[12:16] <hatake_kakashi> JohnFlux: lol, that really got me round and round :p I think those nvidia drivers seems really dodgy somewhat
[12:17] <hatake_kakashi> !nvidia
[12:17] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[12:18] <nrdb> I was wondering what happens if you have a ps2 keyboard and a USB keyboard pluged in at the same time?
[12:18] <nrdb> can you type with ether?
[12:18] <robotgeek> nrdb: nothing special, both work i guess
[12:19] <nrdb> robotgeek: can you assign a different keymap to each?
[12:20] <robotgeek> nrdb: that's something i havent tried, but i think there some option in kde for that
[12:21] <nrdb> robotgeek: thanks, I will have to see if I can find one to do some testing with.
[12:26] <Krpano> anyone can tell me the minimum space required to install Kubuntu (the default install) ?
[12:27] <robotgeek> i think about 1.6 GB or so
[12:28] <Krpano> i need to know how big the partition ill create has to be....
[12:28] <auturge> I would recommend at least 4GB. You want to be comfortable.
[12:28] <auturge> You start using it, you discover you want to install optional packages...
[12:29] <Krpano> yeah, i know that....the problem is that im a bit short on space...ill try with a 3 GB so....
[12:30] <dipnlik> Krpano: 3GB with or without /home ?
[12:31] <Krpano> with, normally...
[12:31] <dipnlik> Krpano: 3GB without home is fine, with home you'll need to keep an eye on your disk space :)
[12:31] <dipnlik> Krpano: just take car and you'll be fine
[12:31] <dipnlik> care*
[12:32] <Krpano> i have all my personal files in another HD...
[12:32] <Krpano> Kubuntu will only be for the OS really...
[12:32] <dipnlik> Krpano: oh, so go ahead
[12:32] <Krpano> Im only a bit affaid to rewrite the MRB again...:)
[12:33] <Krpano> MBR
[12:33] <dipnlik> Krpano: LOL, what happened? Kubuntu should recognize other OS's in the HD
[12:34] <Krpano> yes...but in case i need to uninstall Kubuntu...headaches will come...lol
[12:35] <Krpano> ive tried to set it up on another partition in another HD and tried to use boopart to insert Kubuntu in the windows boot...but i had no success.
[12:36] <kameron> Krpano, you tried to use bootpart to insert kubuntu into the windows bootloader?
[12:37] <Krpano> yep...:)
[12:37] <kameron> why not use grub/lilo?
[12:37] <Krpano> because i may run into trouble if i uninstall Kbnt....
[12:38] <WolfT> Does anyone know of a way to make a script like Automatix but without the GUI? I basically just want it to download all the stuff I have now, which I will do, with like sudo apt-get install stuff, well after I put in the new sources.list. I basically want to be able to start where I left off if I have to reformat.
[12:38] <kameron> Krpano, alright, i don't really know what's going on.. what do you need a hand with?
[12:39] <Krpano> Kamero, i just wanted to know the minimum size for the default Kubuntu installation...but other mates here already advised me...thx.:)
[12:39] <robotgeek> WolfT: take a look at http://easybreezy.robotgeek.org
[12:39] <kameron> Krpano, holla!
[12:40] <robotgeek> WolfT: all you need is the part at the end, i think
[12:40] <Krpano> i just wonder if anyone here has Kubuntu on the XP bootloader.
[12:41] <kameron> Krpano, probably not. you can go with an optional windows bootloader. the default one is very restricting.
[12:41] <Krpano> bootpart says it can do it...till now i had no success.
[12:41] <WolfT> robotgeek, #  Does not touch your  sources.list .
[12:42] <WolfT> robotgeek, I guess I will have to put that in.
[12:42] <robotgeek> WolfT: isn't that cool :)
[12:42] <kameron> Krpano, what is bootpart?
[12:43] <robotgeek> WolfT: all you need is dpkg --get-selections > pkglist.txt
[12:43] <Krpano> http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm ...its for windows NT, i thought i could use it with XP...seems im wrong.
[12:43] <Krpano> anyway it says its compatible with XP.
[12:43] <robotgeek> keep that safe, and the next time you reformat, all you need is a sudo dpkg --get-selections < ppkglist.txt && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[12:44] <WolfT> robotgeek, What exactly does sed do?
[12:44] <WolfT> Eh, sorry.
[12:47] <kameron> Krpano, take a look around for 'Acronis Disk Director Suite'
[12:47] <tristan> I have created a file on my desktop and everytime I modify it, there is a temporary file that is left on my desktop with the same name except that there is a ~ at the end. Is there any way so that this file does not appear?
[12:48] <Krpano> kameron, ill take a look at that site. :)
[12:48] <robotgeek> tristan: which editor are you using? kate?
[12:48] <tristan> yes, kate robotgeek
[12:49] <kameron> Krpano, there are several alternative windows bootloaders, but i prefer to use a linux one.. i don't know why you just don't do that.. from a livecd even
[12:49] <Krpano> boot a installed Kubuntu through the live cd ?
[12:50] <kameron> i meant, install the bootloader through a livecd.
[12:50] <Krpano> but where should i install the grub ?
[12:50] <kameron> hda?
[12:50] <kameron> Krpano, please explain what you're trying to do.. partition your drive, and install windows and linux?
[12:50] <robotgeek> tristan: kate -> Settings -> COnfigure Kate -> Save Load
[12:51] <robotgeek> tristan: however, it's a good idea to save those files
[12:51] <Krpano> Kameron, XP is installed....i want to install Kubuntu again.....but im affraid to install the Grub into the MBR, because if i need to uninstall Kubuntu windows will no longer boot.
[12:51] <kameron> Krpano, ah, no problem at all.
[12:52] <kameron> Krpano, do you have a livecd, or an fdisk?
[12:52] <Krpano> i have a Kubuntu live cd....
[12:52] <kameron> perfect.
[12:52] <Krpano> and the installation one too
[12:52] <tristan> thanks robotgeek
[12:52] <kameron> okay. say you destroy the the whole installation and omfg stuff goes wrong.
[12:52] <Krpano> yes
[12:52] <kameron> but the windows partition is still okay..
[12:52] <Krpano> yes
[12:53] <kameron> at a command prompt.. from the live cd: 'install-mbr /dev/hda'
[12:53] <kameron> and that will install the default windows bootloader.
[12:53] <Krpano> oh yes ?...i didnt know that...
[12:53] <kameron> Krpano, actually, i don't know if kubuntu live has that. i know knoppix has it.
[12:54] <Krpano> ill dl a knoppix live cd too....just in case....:)
[12:54] <chope> hi, does anybody know how to prevent iptables from running?
[12:55] <Krpano> kameron, its possible to do the same with fdisk ?
[12:55] <kameron> Krpano, or just get an fdisk. it's even simpler with one of those, simply because it boots a lot quicker than a livecd does. after booting to the floppy you type 'fdisk /mbr'
[12:55] <kameron> !info install-mbr
[12:55] <Krpano> Kameron, thx alot....its all noted..;)
[12:55] <kameron> kay, good stuff man.
[12:56] <kameron> if you do have grub problems, and can't boot to windows.. don't panic. just get back to me, and we'll get things working with grub, or lilo if you want.. if not, you can do either ways i showed you to installt he default windows bootloader.
[12:57] <kameron> Krpano, even another option.. is to do this: dd if=/dev/hda of=/path/to/backupmbr bs=446 count=1
[12:57] <kameron> that will backup your mbr to /path/to/backupmbr
[12:57] <Krpano> kameron, great...i do not pretend to uninstall kubuntu this time...all this is just in case....
[12:57] <kameron> to put it back on.. you do: dd if=/path/to/backupmbr of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1
[12:57] <kameron> Krpano, okay, cool.
[12:59] <Krpano> Actually if i can get my TV out working, i might even get rid of XP.
[01:00] <kameron> tv out shouldn't be too hard with v4l
[01:00] <Krpano> its the first time ill use KDE....
[01:00] <kameron> KDE rocks man. well, compared to gnome.
[01:01] <kameron> that's not saying a lot though.
[01:01] <Krpano> i know...i found it it last week when i was testing the Slax distro..
[01:01] <WolfT> robotgeek, What are some you have done to your linux?
[01:02] <kameron> Krpano, slax is cool, really slick for a livecd.
[01:02] <Krpano> yes...i like so much, that make me delete alot of stuffs to create some space and dl Kubuntu.
[01:03] <kameron> good call.
[01:03] <WolfT> How come my Bash Aliases dont work?
[01:03] <Krpano> Kubuntu is like Ubuntu ?...without the NTFS support ?
[01:03] <Melsen> Hi everybody - is there anyone who could help me to how I do a harddrive install from a Kubuntu Live CD please?
[01:03] <WolfT> They are in '~/.Bash_Aliases
[01:04] <kameron> Krpano... no, Kubuntu is part of the ubuntu development, and officially supported, with NTFS support, and everything else, but it uses KDE as it's default desktop environment, instead of Gnome, that's used in regular ubuntu
[01:04] <WolfT> Anyone?
[01:05] <kameron> Krpano, but, from ubuntu you can type 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' and have all the kubuntu stuff, or vice versa from kubuntu typing 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[01:05] <Krpano> kameron, but it cant write in NTFS, right ?
[01:06] <kameron> Krpano, oh... NTFS write support isn't supported in the kernel yet.. not in ubuntu, or kubuntu, or mandriva, fedora, slackware, etc.. it's a kernel level thing. the new kernels being released will have ntfs write support, like in dapper (dapper is the development version of ubuntu)
[01:06] <kameron> Krpano, but ntfs READ support has been supported for quite some time
[01:06] <Hobbsee> WolfT: got no idea, but check if the file is case sensitive - may need to be ~/.bash_aliases - but i just put my aliases into ~/.bashrc anyway
[01:07] <Melsen> Do I need an install CD to install Kubuntu - Or can I do that from the Live CD?
[01:07] <WolfT> Hobbsee, How do I put them in bashrc?
[01:07] <kameron> WolfT, yeah.. i ust .bashrc too
[01:07] <Hobbsee> lemme go check...
[01:07] <hatake_kakashi> Krpano: you can with captive-ntf
[01:08] <hatake_kakashi> s/captive-ntf/captive-ntfs
[01:08] <praotec> Hi! Do you know how install Kaffeine-xine? I dont have this engine in my Package manager and I didnt find some package for Kubuntu on Internet..
[01:08] <Hobbsee> alias show='apt-cache show'
[01:08] <WolfT> Anywhere in the file?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> WolfT: anywya, ~/.bash_aliases needs to be all lowercase, and the part of ~/.bashrc needs to be uncommented - the bit from if to fi
[01:09] <weedar> Is there any way of showing amount of memory and cpu speed in KDE/Kubuntu?
[01:09] <WolfT> Oh yeah.
[01:09] <WolfT> Forgot to uncomment it after the reformat.
[01:10] <kameron> weedar, somewhere i kcontrol i'm pretty sure
[01:10] <robotgeek> weedar: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[01:11] <weedar> thx robotgeek !
[01:11] <weedar> kameron, I looked but could not find it anywhere, unfortunately
[01:11] <kameron> weedar, hm
[01:14] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: cat /proc/meminfo
[01:14] <kameron> weedar, it's on my other computer with a much older version of kde.. can't find it on kubuntu though, weird
[01:14] <weedar> thanks hatake_kakashi, I just did that. It's so easy to forget /proc (at least for me)
[01:14] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: kinfocenter has info
[01:14] <weedar> kameron, that's what I thought too. I seem to remember it being on the "main" page of kcontrol
[01:15] <kameron> weedar, yeah, exactly! what went down.
[01:15] <kameron> maybe it got it's own section weedar... kdeinfocenter
[01:15] <weedar> thanks for the tip hatake_kakashi, I'll add that to my K-bar :)
[01:16] <weedar> kameron, you mean that somewhere within kcontrol opens kinfocenter?
[01:16] <hatake_kakashi> K, System, KInfoCenter
[01:16] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: its under a seperate window
[01:16] <weedar> ah, there it is.
[01:16] <hatake_kakashi> you have to run it, its a different app imo
[01:17] <kameron> well im out, night everyone. thanks for the tip hatake_kakashi
[01:17] <hatake_kakashi> kameron: np
[01:17] <kameron> good luck Krpano
[01:17] <weedar> I just assumed I had to add it like kcontrol
[01:18] <weedar> Which I have big issues understanding why isn't the default "control center" instead of the "system settings"-alternative
[01:19] <Melsen> Boy.. it sure isn't easy to get reply here... I'll try for the third time =) hehe. If I want to install Kubuntu on my harddisk... do I need an install CD, or can I do it from the Live CD??
[01:20] <hatake_kakashi> Melsen: install
[01:20] <Melsen> ?
[01:20] <morrow> the live cd is optimized to run from cd. Use the install CD if you want to install a fresh version
[01:20] <hatake_kakashi> install CD, do should not use the livecd to install
[01:20] <hatake_kakashi> s/do/you
[01:20] <Melsen> Ahhhh
[01:20] <Melsen> alright.. thanks folks
[01:20] <Melsen> Appreciate it
[01:23] <hatake_kakashi> funny that there is no more molecule screensaver anymore
[01:23] <weedar> If it existed in the past, why is it not possible to use it now?
[01:24] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: its not included in the KDE3.5 package.. well not in the kubuntu I suppose
[01:25] <weedar> hatake_kakashi, it's not available to download separately?
[01:25] <weedar> The only thing keeping me from calling Kubuntu a good desktop OS is the lack of a Grateful  Dead screensaver, so you have my sympathy :)
[01:25] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: I'm looking for that now
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hatake_kakashi: both kcontrol and system settings are in kubuntu
[01:26] <hatake_kakashi> weedar: I never really liked screensavers.. until I saw Mac OSX (Panther)'s screen saver and that molecule screensaver that used to be in RH8
[01:26] <weedar> Hobbsee, I think you should say that to me. Thing is, kcontrol wasn't on my K-bar when I installed Kubuntu, I had to install it myself
[01:26] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: ?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> weedar: true, but the program exists in the install, alt+f2, kcontrol
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hatake_kakashi: sorry, wrong nick - i only read the last section
[01:27] <weedar> I know "system settings" is there, the reason I mentioned it is because it is not a good "control panel", as it is uncomplete and sometimes spans beyond the desktop
[01:27] <hatake_kakashi> Hobbsee: ahh ok
[01:27] <weedar> Hobbsee, oh yes I am aware of that. I just think they should make kcontrol default instead of system settings. I haven't seen a good argument for "system settings" as of yet :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> weedar: i agree with you - apparently the reasoning is "less bugs in SS"
[01:28] <Hobbsee> i've been known to take out system settings and put kcontrol in the menu
[01:29] <weedar> Hobbsee, I'd like to meet the person who claims that. As I said, SS spans beyond the desktop, often making certain modules unusable since you can't gain admin-privileges
[01:29] <Hobbsee> weedar: well, that's what i was told by Riddell, i think it was
[01:29] <Riddell> hmm?
[01:30] <Riddell> systemsettings doesn't have less bugs than kcontrol
[01:30] <Hobbsee> debate on system settings and kcontrol
[01:30] <Riddell> it's just 10 times more usable
[01:30] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought that was what i was told
[01:30] <Hobbsee> tis not!
[01:30] <weedar> Riddell, how is it more usabel when it doesn't have all of the options kcontrol has?
[01:30] <Riddell> you like searching randomly ordered tree widgets?
[01:30] <weedar> s/usabel/usable
[01:31] <Riddell> weedar: what options doesn't it have?
[01:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: exactly
[01:31] <Hobbsee> yet in kcontrol, it doesnt matter - there's a search box at the top, that you can type it in, and it goes there immediately
[01:31] <weedar> Riddell, I think kcontrol is organized great - I don't have trouble finding what I need, and there is a search-bar too
[01:31] <Riddell> search bar was only added in 3.5, breezy wouldn't have it
[01:32] <weedar> Riddell, right now I can't remember what option it doesn't include, but I had major issues a week ago finding whatever it was I was looking for :)
[01:32] <Riddell> and system settings has a search bar too
[01:32] <Hobbsee> but then you have to look for which icon isnt greyed out, blah, blah blah - oh, and you have to move your mouse further to select the given icon
[01:33] <weedar> ah, I believe it was the "file associations" lacking in SS
[01:33] <Hobbsee> then find the selection after finding the correct module
[01:33] <weedar> the "KDE components" module in SS is not as complete as kcontrol
[01:33] <Riddell> file associations has no business being in kcontrol, it's for the file manager to handle (which it does)
[01:33] <Riddell> weedar: in which way?  they should be identicle
[01:34] <Riddell> oh, it doesn't have all the stuff duplicated from konqueror
[01:34] <Riddell> that's a feature
[01:35] <weedar> Riddell, in SS "kde components" includes kde resources and service manager, while in kcontrol you have session manager, spell checker, service manager, kde resources, kde performance, file manager, file associations and components chooser
[01:36] <hatake_kakashi> Riddell: any clue what happened to that screen saver that displays proteins and that you can import them>
[01:36] <hatake_kakashi> s/>/?
[01:36] <weedar> It's not a feature if it means you take out handy stuff
[01:36] <Riddell> nothing is taken out (except the theme manager), it's all just duplicated from konqueror
[01:36] <Riddell> hatake_kakashi: no idea
[01:37] <hatake_kakashi> Riddell: bah, thanks
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: would you like a screenie for me to prove you wrong?
[01:37] <Riddell> possibly lost in the xscreensaver changes, might be in a new xscreensaver-gl package or something
[01:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: err, ok
[01:37] <Hobbsee> sorry, lack of food here - i'm not the nicest person tonight
[01:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wrong on which account?
[01:38] <hatake_kakashi> Riddell: will look into it, thanks for the heads up
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: grabbing the link
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/1011/snapshot47af.jpg
[01:39] <weedar> Well, I still feel the duplicating is a nice thing, it's nice to have one place to (k)control everything :) But I guess I'm losing this fight, so I'll just give up
[01:39] <Hobbsee> weedar: we'll see...
[01:39] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yeah, all the stuff not in system settings there is because it's already in konqueror
[01:40] <weedar> You don't feel having it all in kcontrol is more intuitive Riddell ?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> er...where in konq?
[01:41] <weedar> Hobbsee, under settings
[01:42] <Hobbsee> you're kidding!  not all the way down here??
[01:43] <weedar> Changing settings shouldn't bee easy, if it was everyone would do it
[01:43] <Hobbsee> for goodness sake!  that's terrible!  what happened to having all the config settings in a central location for easy finding????
[01:44] <Hobbsee> oh yes, and kcontrol always resizes properly, wish i could say the same for SS :P
[01:44] <Hobbsee> weedar: indeed, it seems this is the case...
[01:44] <weedar> Actually, if the resizing issue was fixed SS could almost be usable for at least some of the things I'd like to do
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hold down alt and click and drag, the solution seems to be
[01:46] <Riddell> weedar: what's the resizing issue?
[01:46] <ccc_> the overview in kcontrol is terrible imo, i really like SS
[01:46] <freeflying> how can I extract squashfs file
[01:47] <Riddell> freeflying: remastering live cd?
[01:47] <freeflying> Riddell: y, I want to remast dapper's
[01:47] <Hobbsee> shh!
[01:48] <Riddell> freeflying: Mithrandir would know
[01:48] <weedar> Riddell, the resizing issue is that most of the modules span the desktop, making it hard/impossible to get administrator priveleges for the modules that need that
[01:48] <ccc_> however kde's settings in general is and always has been messy :\ but SS is a step in the right direction.
[01:49] <Riddell> weedar: I fixed network settings, do you have a list of other troublesome modules?
[01:49] <weedar> What drugs are you on and how do I get them ccc_ ??
[01:49] <freeflying> Riddell: what's his nick ? thx
[01:49] <weedar> Riddell, I'll take a look. Give you feedback in a few
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: try printing
[01:49] <Riddell> freeflying: Mithrandir is the nick :)  on #ubuntu-devel
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/295/snapshot54xp.jpg
[01:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well, printing doesn't work in dapper anyway :)
[01:50] <Hobbsee> sure it does
[01:50] <Hobbsee> works here :P
[01:50] <Hobbsee> on both network printers, yet it cant find my parallel port printer
[01:50] <Hobbsee> never has :P
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: on dapper?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> sure
[01:51] <Hobbsee> did on mon night
[01:51] <Riddell> groovy, I think it's just when yu don't have any printers configured yet that it complains
[01:51] <Hobbsee> cant try now though - hobbsee would get shot!
[01:51] <Hobbsee> yeah, you just ignore the whinging, add anyway, then print
[01:51] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I can get away with just patching away the whinging then :)
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[01:52] <freeflying> Riddell: How about the MainInlusion of scim now ?
[01:54] <Riddell> freeflying: still sitting in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[01:54] <Riddell> we need to poke pitti
[01:54] <Riddell> since he's sitting behind me I could actually poke him
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:55] <Hobbsee> where are you now Riddell?
[01:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: distosprint
[01:55] <Hobbsee> which is?
[01:55] <ccc_> weedar: not for sale, sorry :)
[01:56] <weedar> Riddell, issues exist in: printing, networking settings, users & groups, date & time
[01:56] <Riddell> where they lock us in a room for a week and get told to fix things
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe - sounds good to me!
[01:56] <Riddell> weedar: thanks, I'll make a note to try and get those fixed
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what surprises me abuot the resizing in system settings - that tehy dont have some sort of control on "this is how wide and how long the box can be"
[01:56] <Riddell> see ubuntu-devel-announce for distrosprint updates
[01:56] <Hobbsee> will do
[01:57] <weedar> Riddell, thanks!
[01:57] <Hobbsee> i feel so out of it - i knew what was going on before i went away!
[01:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how would you control that?  programmers can code them as large as they like
[01:57] <Riddell> kcontrol scrolls modules as a last resort, system settings can't (yet)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> ah, is that what they do - scroll would be useful, rather than nothing
[01:58] <weedar> Would it be possible to check the resolution the user is using and then size the window to maxX-10 and maxY-10 (or similar) ?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> somehow...i dont know...i dont program!
[01:58] <Riddell> but mostly modules are designed to just squeeze into kcontrol on a 1024 screen, so system settings adding borders breaks that assumption
[01:58] <Hobbsee> or that they're designed to work without the kicker
[01:59] <Riddell> naw, system settings haa toolbar and some text about the admin button at the top
[02:01] <ludwikc> Witam... mam krotkie pytanie - dlatego nie chce pisac na forum - jak ODinstalowac Kopete? mam wersje 0.10.4 - nie moge wejsc w konfiguracje bo wywala _CALY_ system... :(
[02:01] <Hobbsee> too bad admin and apply buttons are usually at the bottom
[02:02] <weedar> exactly
[02:04] <weedar> SpeedCrunch is a bit too advanced for me, is there a calculator similar to windows calc?
[02:06] <ccc_> tried kcalc?
[02:06] <weedar> ccc_, apt-get'ing it as we speak
[02:08] <weedar> ah, kcalc was exactly what I wanted ccc_  :)
[02:09] <ccc_> great
[02:09] <arska> After I upgraded kde from 3.5.0 -> 3.5.1 I have a problem with my keyboard layout: in kcontrol center -> keyboard layout : kyboard model combobox is empty.
[02:11] <arska> Any idea ?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> night all...
[02:28] <jpatrick> http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot277ir.png <- anyone know how I can get rid of those red and blue lines?
[02:32] <jpatrick> morning nalioth
[02:32] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[02:33] <weedar> jpatrick, I believe you have to turn off showing of changes in document
[02:33] <jpatrick> weedar: I just talked to the guys in #koffice
[02:34] <weedar> jpatrick, what did they say? :)
[02:34] <jpatrick> weedar: apply this diff: http://kdab.net/~dfaure/kotext-enable-final.diff
[02:35] <weedar> jpatrick, so there was a real bug, not just incorrect settings?
[02:35] <jpatrick> bug I guess
[02:35] <jpatrick> was bugging me...
[02:36] <weedar> hehe
[02:38] <gnumdk> weedar: packages are going to be updated
[02:39] <weedar> gnumdk, which?
[02:39] <gnumdk> http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/2006/02/02#hectic
[02:40] <weedar> ah, brilliant!
[03:08] <ludwikc> hello
[03:09] <ludwikc> i've got a problem with my kopete. had v.0.10.3  - everything was ok.
[03:10] <tristan> Is there any FTP software with graphic interface?
[03:11] <eidolon> kde has an ftp kioslave.
[03:11] <eidolon> ftp://ftp.host.com/
[03:12] <hatake_kakashi> gftp
[03:20] <Tainted-Wolf> What are some bash aliases you use? I use these: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/536924
[03:22] <lilminime> hi everyone, ive just installed a fresh install of kubuntu, I use the RT2500 ethernet card, but i cant get wierd net or wireless internet to work, therefore i need some help..
[03:24] <lilminime> Are there anyone that have had the same problem?
[03:25] <lilminime> Remeber, I cant get wierd or the wireless
[03:25] <lilminime> none of 'em is working
[03:27] <jpatrick> lilminime: admin mode not working?
[03:28] <lilminime> what do you mean
[03:28] <lilminime> jpatrick: No
[03:28] <lilminime> jpatrick: In ubuntu root is locked
[03:29] <jpatrick> lilminime: I know that, I meant in System Settings
[03:30] <hatake_kakashi> lilminime: is the card detected? does the card have the modules loaded? does ifconfig or iwconfig show anything?
[03:30] <lilminime> hatake_kakashi: yes
[03:31] <lilminime> ive modprobed rt2500
[03:31] <lilminime> but i still gets no net
[03:31] <jpatrick> lilminime: set it up in System Settings
[03:31] <hatake_kakashi> lilminime: did you get any messages after loading? what about dmesg?
[03:31] <hatake_kakashi> _root: you should never surf the web as rot
[03:31] <hatake_kakashi> !root
[03:31] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[03:31] <hatake_kakashi> bah ubotu :P
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> s/rot/root
[03:32] <_root> halll=
[03:32] <lilminime> hatake_kakashi: ;p, when i goes to network settings - system settings. it says that the two cards; eth0 and ra0 is disabled
[03:32] <lilminime> hatake_kakashi: maybe its a way to enable them?
[03:32] <jpatrick> lilminime: press the admin button
[03:33] <lilminime> jpatrick: wich admin button?
[03:33] <jpatrick> lilminime: it's at the bottom near apply
[03:34] <lilminime> jpatrick: okey im in
[03:34] <jpatrick> lilminime: goody
[03:35] <lilminime> jpatrick: now what?
[03:36] <jpatrick> lilminime: enable & configure them then apply
[03:36] <makuko> quit
[03:36] <lilminime> jpatrick: omg its impossible to click on them
[03:36] <lilminime> its like they are a part of the background
[03:37] <lilminime> they are hard, or freezed or whatever you call it
[03:37] <jpatrick> lilminime: odd
[03:37] <jpatrick> lilminime: greyed-out?
[03:37] <lilminime> jpatrick: yes
[03:37] <dark_suic> it's a known bug, isn't it?
[03:38] <jpatrick> lilminime: then you're not root there :/
[03:38] <jpatrick> dark_suic: yes
[03:38] <lilminime> jpatrick: Im not root because i use sudo not su, cuz the root user is locked
[03:39] <jpatrick> lilminime: clicking "admin mode" should let you have root control over the module
[03:39] <lilminime> Yesterday i think it was a admin mode button there, but its not here now, i know it must be sounding redicolus
[03:40] <jpatrick> lilminime: does it go off the screen?
[03:40] <lilminime> jpatrick: what do you mean?
[03:40] <ludwikc> i've been loged of - did anybody answer my question about kopete ?
[03:40] <jpatrick> lilminime: does the window like go off the screen (too far to the edge)
[03:41] <lilminime> yes
[03:41] <jpatrick> lilminime: hold down ALT and move it around
[03:41] <jpatrick> dragging it
[03:41] <lilminime> ok
[03:42] <lilminime> jpatrick: ahh, there it was
[03:42] <lilminime> well now im in there
[03:42] <jpatrick> :)
[03:42] <lilminime> in admin mode
[03:42] <jpatrick> lilminime: now you should be able to touch the controls :)
[03:43] <lilminime> jpatrick: yes i am
[03:43] <lilminime> jpatrick: now what?
[03:44] <jpatrick> lilminime: configure the cards
[03:44] <lilminime> ok
[03:44] <jpatrick> then "enable" then apply
[03:45] <lilminime> jpatrick: when i do that, it shows: enabeled for like a half secound, and then it gets back to Disabled
[03:45] <jpatrick> :/
[03:46] <mcbit> Hello,everybody, how are you today, I'still listening your hosts and dooing a lot of fub
[03:46] <lilminime> jpatrick: any ide why it happens?
[03:46] <jpatrick> lilminime: horrible bug
[03:46] <mcbit> It's just happening you, all the time.
[03:46] <jpatrick> lilminime: you'll have to edit /etc/network/interfaces yourself
[03:46] <lilminime> jpatrick: No way to get it working then?
[03:47] <lilminime> jpatrick: omg, do you have an guide link for that?
[03:47] <mcbit> They have conclusions on having their minds on preparing some new computers. Working arounbd
[03:47] <mcbit> A je kaksen ki ve kaj po nase
[03:48] <jpatrick> lilminime: see man:interfaces in Konqueror
[03:49] <lilminime> ok
[03:49] <mcbit> interfaces are good
[03:50] <_jose> everytime i insert a cd rom a message appears: "file or folder media:/hdd/ doesn't exist" but the actual cd contents are on /media/cdrecorder/
[03:50] <mcbit> besides them, you can developing their roms in scheduling motherboards, so than you can see what kind of glote, do they diserving
[03:50] <_jose> can someone help me?
[03:51] <mcbit> jose, ja what kind of help do you need
[03:52] <_jose> everytime i insert a cd rom a message appears: "file or folder media:/hdd/ doesn't exist" but the actual cd contents are on /media/cdrecorder/
[04:01] <lilminime> ive configureaded the /etc/network/interfaces after a guide where people where very happy and it worked for most, but it still applys enabled for a half sec and then changes back to normal "disabled"
[04:05] <thomas> hi! i have a problem with the secure shell! i always get the error message "connect to host xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx port22: connection refused" i am in a network with 3 pcs, in the middle a switch!! can anyone help?
[04:06] <eidolon> port 22 connection refused is port 22 connection refused.
[04:06] <eidolon> the machine you're tryign to connect to is refusing the connection.
[04:06] <`Nomad> Is wine broken going to 3.5.1?
[04:07] <thomas> don't use wine
[04:07] <thomas> i know that the machine refuses the connection, but how can i solve the problem that the machine isn't refusing anymore
[04:08] <`Nomad> thomas:  busted that badly?  shame, it was working fine before
[04:09] <[Vampis] > hey
[04:10] <[Vampis] > kkathman:
[04:12] <kkathman> hey [Vampis]  :)
[04:13] <visik7> `Nomad: no WFM
[04:14] <[Vampis] > kkathman: whazup ?
[04:15] <kkathman> [Vampis] : raining here..man I hope it hangs around..we need it!
[04:15] <[Vampis] > aah, :)
[04:15] <[Vampis] > Nice
[04:16] <trappist> kkathman: you wouldn't be in tx would you
[04:16] <kkathman> trappist:  yes sir I am
[04:16] <`Nomad> wfm?
[04:16] <[Vampis] > :)
[04:16] <Tainted-Wolf> Anyone have suggestions for a beginner coding languagE?
[04:17] <visik7> python
[04:17] <[Vampis] > erlang
[04:17] <visik7> asd
[04:18] <Tainted-Wolf> erlang? asd?
[04:18] <[Vampis] > Erlang is nice ;)
[04:18] <Tainted-Wolf> Eh, what is that?
[04:18] <[Vampis] > You dont know ?
[04:18] <Tainted-Wolf> No....
[04:18] <alumnos> hi
[04:18] <trappist> kkathman: we do indeed need the rain
[04:18] <[Vampis] > "Erlang is a programming language designed at the Ericsson Computer Science Laboratory. Open-source Erlang is being released to help encourage the spread of Erlang outside Ericsson. "
[04:18] <[Vampis] > http://www.erlang.org/
[04:19] <_alumnos> choose
[04:19] <`Nomad> visik7: what is WFM?
[04:20] <visik7> works for me
[04:20] <Tainted-Wolf> [Vampis] , I would prefer something more mainstream.
[04:20] <[Vampis] > We had a project last term using erlang
[04:20] <[Vampis] > it was fun :>
[04:21] <[Vampis] > programmed an AI soccerteam
[04:21] <alumnos> vampis!!!!!!!!!
[04:21] <[Vampis] > our team came 3d place in the school tournament :)
[04:22] <[Vampis] > alumnos: yes ?
[04:22] <alumnos> can you help me
[04:22] <alumnos> ?
[04:22] <[Vampis] > with what ?
[04:22] <alumnos> with a program in c
[04:22] <lilminime> anyone who has an working eth0 or ra0 /etc/network/interfaces config?
[04:22] <[Vampis] > Hm, I've only coded C in like 2 weeks :P
[04:23] <alumnos> where are you from?
[04:23] <[Vampis] > Sweden
[04:23] <alumnos> thanks
[04:23] <[Vampis] > Eeh ? Thanks what ?
[04:24] <Tainted-Wolf> Hes hacking YOU!!!
[04:24] <Tainted-Wolf> ROFL, :P
[04:24] <[Vampis] > well goodluck
[04:24] <] -[aunter> hi
[04:25] <alumnos> i working with my english i ve a exam
[04:25] <alumnos> d
[04:25] <[Vampis] >  /whois [Vampis] 
[04:26] <alumnos> are you a man? vampis?
[04:26] <[Vampis] > No, I'm something in between
[04:26] <alumnos> well
[04:27] <[Vampis] > So, whats the deal with you, first you want help with C, then asks where I'm from, then english and now my sex ?
[04:27] <Tm_T> irrelevant, I think
[04:27] <alumnos> when you born you was a boy or a girl
[04:27] <[Vampis] > Both
[04:27] <Tm_T> [Vampis] : trying to get into your pants ;)
[04:27] <[Vampis] > Tm_T: ooh ;)
[04:27] <eBug> i can't get accented characters with oofice2
[04:27] <eBug> is this a known issue ?
[04:27] <alumnos> it is fun i just
[04:28] <eBug> breezy here
[04:28] <[Vampis] > But I'm afraid my fianc would dissagree ;)
[04:28] <eBug> accented characters everywhere but in oofice
[04:28] <eBug>   
[04:28] <`Nomad> eBug: did you change your keyboard layout to the proper language?
[04:28] <eBug> see
[04:28] <`Nomad> oh really..
[04:29] <Tm_T> eBug: dunno, maybe font issue?
[04:29] <`Nomad> There must be an override in the OO settings
[04:29] <eBug> btw they show up fine with gnome
[04:29] <[Vampis] > alumnos: So you're from mehico ?
[04:29] <eBug> gnome+OO works fine
[04:29] <_alumnos> yes
[04:29] <_alumnos> how do you know that
[04:29] <`Nomad> weird.. You looked in the Languages settings in OO?
[04:30] <asraniel> hi, i have a strange problem!! i cant ping localhost (from this computer, the same from which im chating here)
[04:30] <[Vampis] > Then stop trying to get into my pants and bring me a Corona ;)
[04:30] <`Nomad> mine all show Default, and all works fine with french
[04:30] <kkathman> rofl
[04:30] <_alumnos> would you like it
[04:30] <_alumnos> ?
[04:30] <`Nomad_Away> !wfm
[04:30] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad_Away
[04:31] <eBug> `Nomad_Away, yes
[04:31] <Tainted-Wolf> Where can I find some tuts on C?
[04:31] <eBug> `Nomad_Away, what versions ?
[04:32] <_alumnos> How old are you vampis?
[04:32] <Tainted-Wolf> !c
[04:32] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Tainted-Wolf
[04:32] <Tainted-Wolf> !C
[04:32] <ubotu> Tainted-Wolf: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:32] <[Vampis] > _alumnos: give it a rest will you ?
[04:33] <Tainted-Wolf> !coding
[04:33] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Tainted-Wolf
[04:33] <Tainted-Wolf> Damnit.
[04:33] <Tainted-Wolf> :p
[04:33] <_alumnos> i do not understand the last part
[04:33] <Tainted-Wolf> !programming
[04:33] <ubotu> Tainted-Wolf: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:33] <[Vampis] > _alumnos: Hmm, how could I put it,... .leave me alone ? :P
[04:34] <_alumnos> wel if you want it
[04:34] <_alumnos> say me why
[04:34] <kkathman> _alumnos:  quantos annos ?
[04:34] <Tainted-Wolf> Where can I find tuts on C?
[04:35] <[Vampis] > _alumnos: you dont seem to know what u want ?, First C help, then where I'm from, then english lessons, then what sex I have, and age? ... So, what do u really want ?
[04:35] <[Vampis] > kkathman: I would guess 12 ;)
[04:35] <Tainted-Wolf> [Vampis] , HEs trying to hack you.
[04:35] <Tainted-Wolf> ;P
[04:36] <kkathman> [Vampis] : I'd say thats close
[04:36] <_alumnos> i am just playing with you
[04:36] <[Vampis] > Tainted-Wolf: Yes, The combination of my countra, my sex and my age is my root password ;)
[04:36] <[Vampis] > countra = country
[04:36] <[Vampis] > :)
[04:36] <Tainted-Wolf> Damn, you use it too?
[04:36] <_ganymed> hallo
[04:36] <Tainted-Wolf> :D
[04:36] <[Vampis] > Tainted-Wolf: And here I'm sitting and thinking I'm all alone ;)
[04:36] <kkathman> _alumnos:  this is not a chat channel, if you need help with #kubuntu, ask your question please
[04:36] <_ganymed> i have a problem setting up my wlan with encryption switched on...
[04:36] <[Vampis] > _ganymed: Witch encryption ?
[04:37] <[Vampis] > WEP or WPA-PSK ?
[04:37] <_ganymed> wep
[04:37] <Tainted-Wolf> Anyone?
[04:37] <_ganymed> 13 sign key 104 bits
[04:37] <[Vampis] > hm, dunno, I use wpa
[04:37] <_alumnos> are you angry?
[04:37] <[Vampis] > Just annoid
[04:37] <_ganymed> i know, wep is not the best, but better than nothing
[04:38] <[Vampis] > Exactly
[04:38] <[Vampis] > I havent tried to configure WEP so I'm afraid I cant help you
[04:38] <_ganymed> anybody here who knows what's going on with this kcontrol module for network config?
[04:39] <kkathman> _ganymed:  what are you trying to do in the network config part?
[04:39] <_ganymed> i tried setting up my wlan connection with it and it enters the key 2A2A...
[04:39] <_ganymed> which is wrong
[04:40] <_ganymed> bit it doesn't work with iwconfig either
[04:40] <kkathman> _ganymed:  in kcontrol?? thats odd... setting a WEP key is something you normally set on your router
[04:40] <[Vampis] > YES, Gene Simmons on tv on sunday !!! :D
[04:40] <kkathman> oh wait I get what your doing
[04:41] <_ganymed> i did that. but i have to enter the key for it for my device... otherwise i won't have a connection
[04:41] <_ganymed> the strange part is coming now:
[04:42] <_ganymed> i do iwconfig eth1 key s:mykey and check with iwlist eth1 key
[04:42] <kkathman> _ganymed:  this resource is a very good one:  http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/kwifimanager/using.html
[04:42] <asraniel> if i ping localhost, ethereal shows me that my computer makes the reply packet, but i never recieve it..?? ip adress is correct etc, any ideas?
[04:42] <_ganymed> everything is fine until i do ifup eth1. it resets the key to 2A2A... .
[04:43] <[Vampis] > About time
[04:43] <Tainted-Wolf> ;)
[04:43] <_ganymed> but if i first do ifup eth1 and THEN (while it is requesting the dhcp server) do iwconfig eth1 key s:mykey it works...
[04:43] <_ganymed> kkathman: thx
[04:43] <[Vampis] > Tainted-Wolf: but I was expecting a ping-timeout
[04:43] <kkathman> hmmm
[04:43] <[Vampis] > ;)
[04:43] <Tainted-Wolf> lol
[04:44] <kkathman> _ganymed:  that may be a bug, have you tried looking for it in the bug system
[04:44] <kkathman> if not, I'd report that
[04:45] <_ganymed> well, the network module seems to be a bit tricky anyway when it comes to wlan... i guess, this is sth. that will be improved in the next release :)
[04:46] <[Vampis] >  *Getting some more coffee*
[04:46] <kkathman> _ganymed:  the network module in KDE for ubuntu has always been a little bit flaky
[04:46] <_ganymed> oh yes, kwifi... it crashes everytime i click on network search... without any notice
[04:47] <_ganymed> will this change? how do i search the bug system?
[04:48] <kkathman> _ganymed:  I believe there is a search capability there
[04:49] <_ganymed> sry
[04:49] <_ganymed> kkathman: what do you mean?
[04:49] <kkathman> _ganymed:   https://launchpad.net/malone
[04:49] <kkathman> there is a search feature there
[04:50] <_ganymed> thanks very much
[04:50] <kkathman> _ganymed:  np
[04:52] <thomas> does anyone know how to install the airsnort tool??? i need help
[04:53] <thomas> i always get the error message: "can't create execute tables"
[04:53] <[Vampis] > when do u get that ?`When you're running ./configure ?
[04:53] <_ganymed> ok, i'll try to reconnect. let's see. ciao and thx a lot
[04:54] <kkathman> thomas:  check Google, there is a specific article on that
[04:54] <kkathman> thomas: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/953531
[04:57] <MrSuper34> hi
[04:58] <[Vampis] > hi
[05:00] <pestilence> could somebody tell me why links clicked in mozilla thunderbird open in konqueror?
[05:00] <kkathman> pestilence:  because your default KDE setting is konqueror
[05:00] <pestilence> kkathman, where do i change that
[05:01] <[Vampis] > Thats wierd, I use konq. as default, but my links in firefox always opens in firefox
[05:01] <kkathman> pestilence:  alt-F2,  type kcontrol, then choose KDE components, choose Web Browser, and type firefox
[05:01] <kkathman> Im doing that by memory so I hope I didnt leave anything out
[05:02] <[Vampis] > nope
[05:02] <[Vampis] > mozilla-firefox
[05:02] <[Vampis] > not just firefox
[05:02] <[Vampis] > :)
[05:02] <[Vampis] > But then u got it right
[05:02] <pestilence> kkathman, under "component chooser"?  i already set that to firefox
[05:02] <[Vampis] > nope, my bad, firefox, not mozilla-firefox, that was in gnome
[05:03] <pestilence> [Vampis] , neither work for me.
[05:03] <kkathman> pestilence:  then there isnt a reason that I know of
[05:03] <[Vampis] > same here
[05:03] <pestilence> kkathman, perhaps it is a bug in the new kde
[05:03] <kkathman> unless someplace else you have a hard setting that says to open links in an external browser (in firefox)
[05:04] <[Vampis] > I use the new KDE and I dont have that problem
[05:04] <kkathman> pestilence: no  cuz mine works fine
[05:04] <kkathman> and Im on the newest KDE
[05:04] <pestilence> breezy packages, or dapper?
[05:04] <kkathman> breezy
[05:04] <[Vampis] > breezy
[05:05] <kkathman> if its dapper, thats not released software and just about anything goes there for bugs right now
[05:05] <[Vampis] > I should go and do the dishes
[05:05] <pestilence> kkathman, yea.
[05:06] <pestilence> i don't think there is a way to set a preferred browser from within thunderbird.
[05:06] <kkathman> pestilence:  I didnt think so
[05:06] <kkathman> thats the purpose of having the setting in kcontrol
[05:06] <[Vampis] > :)
[05:07] <[Vampis] > kkathman: you wanna do my dishes ? :)
[05:07] <kkathman> pestilence:  now one thing...be sure that if you have that web browser setting to "firefox" that its valid.  go to alt-f2 and type "firefox" and be sure it opens.
[05:08] <pestilence> kkathman, sure does
[05:08] <kkathman> [Vampis] :  I'll pass this time
[05:08] <kkathman> pestilence:  ok...gee I dunno then
[05:08] <pestilence> it's weird because thunderbird is the only app that does this...everything else opens in firefox
[05:08] <[Vampis] > hm, choose it in the list then
[05:08] <[Vampis] > hms
[05:09] <[Vampis] > copy paste ;)
[05:09] <[Vampis] > kkathman: daemn :)
[05:09] <pestilence> [Vampis] , ye, but that's a pain.
[05:09] <[Vampis] > then I gotta do it myself
[05:09] <[Vampis] > or else my fianc's gonna kill me
[05:09] <[Vampis] > :P
[05:09] <kkathman> pestilence:  what version of firefox?
[05:10] <pestilence> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20060127 Ubuntu/1.0.4 Firefox/1.5
[05:10] <pestilence> thunderbird: version 1.5 (20060119)
[05:10] <kkathman> hmmm
[05:13] <pestilence> what's the procedure for removing ubuntu-desktop?
[05:13] <pestilence> is that possible.
[05:13] <eightiesk> hello
[05:14] <eightiesk> does anyone know wherw i can find some info in kopete
[05:14] <kkathman> pestilence: well..Im thinking it HAS to be a firefox problem
[05:14] <eightiesk> it won't connect.
[05:14] <[Vampis] > hm, I had that problem the other day
[05:14] <kkathman> because firefox does its own thing..doesnt really respect KDE settings like, say Konq does
[05:14] <[Vampis] > It doesnt even try to connect ?
[05:15] <inc|freaky> is there a remote desktop solution for windows-> linux .... i have a laptop and a desktop pc ... i want to be able to control the linux GUI over my laptop (windows)
[05:15] <eightiesk> ya but when it does it discvonnects within seconds.
[05:15] <pestilence> kkathman, well, an aptitude dist-upgrade shows an update for firefox.  but i'd like to remove gnome first
[05:15] <[Vampis] > eightiesk: my didnt even tried to connect
[05:15] <[Vampis] > inc|freaky: VNC
[05:15] <pestilence> is there a documented procedure for removing gnome (ubuntu-desktop)?
[05:15] <eightiesk> pestilence, yeah
[05:16] <inc|freaky> [Vampis] : is that free?
[05:16] <[Vampis] > just activte the remote desktop service on the linux, and the install the VNC viewer in windows
[05:16] <eightiesk> pestilence, do a trerminal login then
[05:16] <[Vampis] > yep
[05:16] <inc|freaky> [Vampis] : do you know where i can find that?
[05:16] <[Vampis] > vnc viewer?
[05:16] <[Vampis] > http://www.realvnc.com/download.html
[05:16] <inc|freaky> and server
[05:16] <eightiesk> pestilence, then do sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:16] <[Vampis] > server its integrated in gnome and KDE
[05:17] <inc|freaky> thx :D
[05:17] <inc|freaky> [Vampis] : ohhh, thx a lot :D
[05:17] <pestilence> eightiesk, i thought that would just remove the meta-package, and not all it's dependencies.  i guess i'll give that a shot
[05:17] <[Vampis] > inc|freaky: you use KDE or Gnome ?
[05:17] <inc|freaky> kde ;D
[05:17] <kkathman> pestilence:  I'd guess you can do a sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:17] <eightiesk> i mean.
[05:17] <[Vampis] > inc|freaky: Internet / Desktop sharing then
[05:17] <inc|freaky> thx :D
[05:17] <[Vampis] > np
[05:17] <kkathman> but if you have gtk depependent apps they will cease to work
[05:17] <[Vampis] > NOW I'm going to pee
[05:18] <inc|freaky> im currently upgrading to breezy it takes some time to finish ^^
[05:18] <eightiesk> pestilence, alot of programs u use in KDE still need gnome lib. and such
[05:18] <pestilence> kkathman, eightiesk, it indeed only removes ubuntu-desktop -- a meta-package
[05:18] <pestilence> eightiesk, that may be, but there should be some way of removing the bulk of gnome
[05:19] <eightiesk> !removinggnome
[05:19] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eightiesk
[05:19] <eightiesk> i dunno
[05:19] <eightiesk> !gnome
[05:19] <pestilence> i mean, when you install kubuntu it doesn't install gnome too does it?
[05:19] <eightiesk> no
[05:19] <[Vampis] > no
[05:19] <eightiesk> just kde.
[05:20] <pestilence> right, so that's what i'm hoping to pare this down to.  maybe i shouldn't waste my time
[05:20] <eightiesk> this is my 3rd week using linux
[05:20] <pestilence> eightiesk, ah :)
[05:20] <eightiesk> and i'm learing fast
[05:20] <eightiesk> the key is to redo everything
[05:20] <eightiesk> over and over
[05:20] <eightiesk> till you know it inside and out
[05:21] <eightiesk> like in reinstall kubuntu daily.
[05:21] <eightiesk> and then all the software.
[05:21] <pestilence> eightiesk, i would think that other distros would force you to learn faster, but more power to you.
[05:21] <kkathman> pestilence:  kubuntu does not install anything gnome
[05:22] <pestilence> kkathman, right.  so how do i get back to that state :)
[05:22] <kkathman> just remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:22] <eightiesk> well at work they us kubuntu
[05:22] <kkathman> that will remove virtually all things gnome
[05:22] <pestilence> kkathman, that's just a meta-package, removing it doesn't actually remove anything
[05:22] <eightiesk> thats the real reason...
[05:22] <kkathman> pestilence:  well give it a try and see if it doesnt :)
[05:22] <pestilence> kkathman, done.
[05:22] <pestilence> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[05:22] <pestilence>   ubuntu-desktop
[05:23] <Reborn> hello
[05:23] <eightiesk> pestilence, alot of things depend on ubuntu desktop to run.
[05:23] <eightiesk> pestilence, they will also be removed.
[05:23] <Reborn> what is the easiest way to install mplayer?
[05:23] <pestilence> eightiesk, not really, if you are using full-out kde
[05:23] <eightiesk> sudo apt-get install mplayer
[05:24] <kkathman> pestilence:  if you remove ubuntu-desktop, you wont have gnome or any of its components, or apps
[05:24] <Reborn> i can't find mplayer in the repositories
[05:24] <pestilence> kkathman, that's the idea :)
[05:24] <kkathman> then remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:24] <pestilence> kkathman, so ubuntu-desktop has a lot of dependencies, but nothing depends on it.  that's why removing it doesn't remove anything
[05:25] <eightiesk> u need to
[05:25] <Reborn> could not find package mplayer
[05:25] <eightiesk> add multiverse to the end of the universe re
[05:25] <kkathman> sigh
[05:25] <kkathman> ok  well suit yourself
[05:27] <vir--> hi.. i've a problem.. i've built a own kernel.. but i cant boot it.. i've compiled ext3 support into the kernel.. but the kernel dont generate a initrd.img.. how do create a new initrd for my new kernel?.. or how do i get rid of the "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) "
[05:27] <pestilence> kkathman, you don't believe me?  i just removed ubuntu-desktop, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7948
[05:29] <Reborn> do you know of a repository that has mplayer in it?
[05:30] <pestilence> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/graphics/mplayer-586
[05:30] <pestilence> !tell Reborn about multiverse
[05:30] <inc|freaky> [Vampis] : umm, i need a real server, without the need of invitations ...
[05:30] <inc|freaky> i mean the remote desktop sharing
[05:30] <kkathman> pestilence:  did you install kubuntu from disk?
[05:31] <kkathman> pestilence:  and did you use aptitude to isntall ubuntu-desktop?
[05:31] <pestilence> kkathman, i installed kubuntu with "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" from ubuntu
[05:31] <pestilence> i think i'm just going to start removing the gnome packages.  one of them is bound to snare a huge chunk of the install
[05:32] <eightiesk> pestilence,  try sudo apt-get remove-dep ubuntu-desktop
[05:32] <kkathman> hmmm Im just curious why the aptitude remove wont remove then...cuz its supposed to keep up with dependencies...if it doesnt, then all this talk of "RPM Hell" is just as founded in Debian/ubuntu :)
[05:32] <pestilence> invalid operation :-D
[05:32] <eightiesk> ic.
[05:33] <pestilence> kkathman, like i said, ubuntu-desktop depends on a lot of things
[05:33] <pestilence> kkathman, but i don't think any package depends on it
[05:33] <eightiesk> ususally add -dep and it will install or remove anything u need
[05:33] <kkathman> pestilence:  icck definitely a bad thing I fear
[05:33] <pestilence> eightiesk, i think the only -dep that works is build-dep
[05:33] <pestilence> kkathman, i think i saw a program that removes the dependencies smartly.
[05:33] <eightiesk> no ive removed gaim that way.
[05:34] <eightiesk> and my dam Kopete still won't connect
[05:38] <arrinmurr> pestilence: so you want all the gnome stuff gone, rigth? i could give you a list of packages that would be installed on my kubuntu if i installed ubuntu-desktop
[05:38] <pestilence> arrinmurr, that would work :-D
[05:39] <gibarian> hey everyone...
[05:41] <eightiesk> w00t kopete connected
[05:41] <eightiesk> not anyone know if i can move the folders around?
[05:42] <apokryphos> Riddell: or here, rather :)
[05:42] <pestilence> eightiesk, what is your question?
[05:42] <arrinmurr> pestilence: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/537125
[05:43] <eightiesk> like in kopete how do i move the folders around?
[05:43] <eightiesk> in the buddy list
[05:43] <pestilence> eightiesk, dunno.  i use gaim
[05:44] <pestilence> you can do that in gaim.
[05:44] <eightiesk> me2 since its first release.
[05:44] <eightiesk> but i wanna try kopete.
[05:45] <pestilence> arrinmurr, thank you
[05:46] <pestilence> arrinmurr, xchat xchat-common haha i'll lose this window if i uninstall those
[05:46] <inc|freaky> where can i download kakuake?
[05:47] <arrinmurr> pestilence: well, konversation is better anyway ;)
[05:47] <pestilence> lemme fire it up and see
[05:47] <apokryphos> inc|freaky: do you mean yakuake?
[05:48] <humboldt> is there a way to send a message to a kde desktop user (or all current xserver users) from the console or from an other kde session? something like net send?
[05:54] <_JakubS> humboldt: dcop --all-sessions --all-users knotify something
[05:54] <_JakubS> as root
[05:54] <humboldt> cool
[05:54] <humboldt> and is there a way to speak to a specific user?
[05:54] <_JakubS> dcop --help
[05:55] <Riddell> apokryphos: hmm?
[05:56] <apokryphos> Riddell: regarding the "installing akode-mpeg wants to remove juk, kttsd etc"
[05:59] <cheese> how do i install ati linux display drivers?
[05:59] <apokryphos> cheese: /msg ubotu ati
[06:03] <seashell11> /ubotu tell cheese about ati
[06:04] <evilh> my dvd playback is super choppy and putting my cpu usage at 100%. any ideas as to why and how to fix?
[06:09] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[06:09] <MetaMorfoziS> i have a problem about shutting down:
[06:10] <MetaMorfoziS> When i go tu the "kde" menu -> logout -> shutdown
[06:10] <MetaMorfoziS> during the shutdown it throw forme 2 errors
[06:10] <MetaMorfoziS> like windows's "don't send" window...
[06:10] <inc|freaky> hi all. how can i install the nvidia drivers ?
[06:10] <MetaMorfoziS> the klauncher and the kicker going to frozen...
[06:11] <MetaMorfoziS> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=nvidia&titlesearch=C%ADmek#head-e2ebd70ede0e3eb2117ffbd618d2295dd1540dca
[06:11] <MetaMorfoziS> inc|freaky ^^
[06:11] <MetaMorfoziS> so, anybody has an idea?
[06:15] <maxtor> hii
[06:15] <maxtor> i need help
[06:15] <MetaMorfoziS> detto
[06:15] <MetaMorfoziS> :DDD
[06:15] <_maxtor> somebody can help me??
[06:16] <apokryphos> !helpme
[06:16] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[06:16] <MetaMorfoziS> but if you not write your question, nobody going to answer for you:)
[06:16] <MetaMorfoziS> my english is bad, so ubotu has the powa!:)
[06:16] <_maxtor> Im noob in this, i want to know how install programs, i read toturials but i dont undestand them
[06:17] <MetaMorfoziS> _maxtor , i'm using linux about a week but i have a little knowledge about this.
[06:17] <MetaMorfoziS> so you can isntall packages
[06:17] <MetaMorfoziS> packages are the programs
[06:17] <MetaMorfoziS> like editors, drivers anything
[06:18] <_maxtor> :(
[06:18] <MetaMorfoziS> the package isntalling vas easyer than the simple download -> configure compile
[06:18] <MetaMorfoziS> why?
[06:18] <MetaMorfoziS> go to: kde menu -> system utilities (or sg) and find adept
[06:19] <MetaMorfoziS> but if you type "adept" to the terminal its the same
[06:19] <MetaMorfoziS> adept is a pacakge manager
[06:19] <MetaMorfoziS> easy to use, you tipe what you want, check it and install.
[06:19] <kkathman> _maxtor:  are you familiar with the Adept tool?
[06:19] <_maxtor> nop im NOOB.... sorry
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> many package manager available
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> the easiest is the apt-get :)
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> in terminal
[06:20] <_maxtor> ok
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> apt-get mozilla-thunderbird
[06:20] <MetaMorfoziS> but in adept you have a gui, a graphical finding section etc
[06:20] <kkathman> _maxtor:  you might want to read up on  packages and Adept, or Aptitude before attempting installs. You'll definitely want to do your first update as soon as possible
[06:20] <_maxtor> ok
[06:21] <MetaMorfoziS> kkathman: have you an idea about my problem? ^^
[06:21] <kkathman> MetaMorfoziS:  flooding a little bude
[06:21] <kkathman> hehe
[06:21] <_maxtor> i only want program in C++ and JAVA
[06:21] <kkathman> what issue do you have?
[06:21] <kkathman> _maxtor:  get your system updated first if you've just installed
[06:21] <_maxtor> ok
[06:21] <MetaMorfoziS> [2006-02-03 18:21:20]  <kkathman> what issue do you have? <- for me?
[06:21] <kkathman> _maxtor:  its good to read alot at first
[06:21] <_maxtor> ok
[06:22] <kkathman> yes MetaMorfoziS
[06:22] <inc|freaky> umm, what sources are there for kubuntu, which i can add to the sources.list? is there a contrib and a non-free tree?
[06:22] <_maxtor> kkathman i have to many package for install
[06:22] <MetaMorfoziS> i've got 1-2 error window at shutting down from kde (not halt)
[06:22] <kkathman> inc|freaky:  only about 17,000
[06:22] <MetaMorfoziS> about klauncher and kicker is "not responding"
[06:22] <inc|freaky> yea, is there a contrib or non-free source?
[06:22] <kkathman> inc|freaky:  for what?
[06:23] <kkathman> all the source is free more or less
[06:23] <inc|freaky> i know
[06:23] <kkathman> give or take a few things
[06:23] <inc|freaky> nm ^^
[06:23] <kkathman> inc|freaky: im not sure what you are asking specifically
[06:23] <kkathman> _maxtor:  what do you mean that you have too many packages?
[06:23] <_maxtor> hey kkathman i have a acer lc2413lci notebook but i dont know if my wireles card was installed
[06:23] <_maxtor> mmm
[06:24] <kkathman> _maxtor:  you mean in your computer?  or if kubuntu installed the software for it
[06:24] <inc|freaky> kkathman: thx, im trying to install the nvidia drivers the "debian way" but that doesnt work. and im using the k7 kernel so the tutorial https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia doesnt work, too
[06:24] <_maxtor> kubuntu
[06:25] <kkathman> inc|freaky:  if you have a debian package you can use dpkg -i
[06:25] <inc|freaky> i dont have any
[06:25] <inc|freaky> it says
[06:25] <inc|freaky> "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed igoring this package
[06:25] <inc|freaky> ;D
[06:25] <kkathman> inc|freaky: you cant really interchange debian and kubuntu packages
[06:25] <kkathman> so if you are trying to, thats a prob
[06:25] <inc|freaky> yo
[06:26] <inc|freaky> im trying to install the nvidia drivers
[06:26] <kkathman> inc|freaky:  from the ubuntu repos?
[06:26] <inc|freaky> generally, the way how to do so
[06:27] <kkathman> inc|freaky:  see if this helps:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074
[06:28] <kkathman> if not, Google "nvidia driver install Ubuntu" and you'll get a lot of resources
[06:31] <inc|freaky> thx ^^
[06:31] <Reborn> is there a way to stop dvd playback from stuttering with okle/vlc/xine?
[06:36] <arrinmurr> Reborn: do you have dma enabled on your dvd-drive?
[06:36] <Reborn> i just did that... and it works now... but do i have to do that everytime i want to play one?
[06:37] <arrinmurr> Reborn: there's instructions on how to get it permanent https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[06:37] <Reborn> thanks
[06:41] <Nirvana> !dma
[06:42] <Nirvana> aww, there's an ubotu fact for DMA!
[06:45] <blueyed> Where's the list of used locales on the system? The one that "locale -a" outputs?
[07:05] <asraniel> i just installed the ATI drivers, now all my fonts are huge. how can i solve that?
[07:06] <Nirvana> asraniel: go to kcontrol
[07:07] <Nirvana> asraniel: under appearence & themes > fonts
[07:08] <Nirvana> Wait, do you mean to tell me you have to install drivers for ATI cards? I have a RAGE mobility, and it was sensed, and I didn't install any drivers... must only be an issue with newer cards (mines ~3 years old)
[07:09] <Nirvana> ^^ hehe
[07:09] <Nirvana> booted because someone regged that nick already :P
[07:10] <asraniel> Nirvana: no you dont have to, but my X server felt slow.. but the font change wont solve it, because everything it too big. i think its a dpi problem.. perhaps i can find the sollution
[07:11] <Nirvana> asraniel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:11] <Nirvana> WOW! LAG = 55 s
[07:11] <asraniel> Nirvana: what does that command exactly do?
[07:12] <Nirvana> reconfigures your xserver (fixes most resolution problems)
[07:12] <Nirvana> ohh
[07:12] <Nirvana> btw, it requires root, so sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:12] <Nirvana> !dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:12] <ubotu> Nirvana: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:13] <Nirvana> nope, ubotu can't help :P
[07:18] <tecs> whenusing the add printer wizard...which should i choose if my printer in an hp 720 c....HP? or HP(HPLIP)? then what model Deskjet 720 c or Deskjet 720 c pnm2ppa?
[07:19] <hatake_kakashi> asraniel: it basically goes through the xorg configuration file but doing it in a more friendlier sort of manner
[07:19] <hatake_kakashi> asraniel: and btw, you should consider getting your video card's specific linux binary if possible
[07:21] <Nirvana> tecs: I'd say try the plain one first
[07:23] <tecs> but it wont work.... acctually both wont.
[07:25] <tecs> does kde print manager come with kde desktop naturally or do i have to add it too?
[07:26] <tecs> because it wont load up when i click it
[07:27] <inc|freaky> where can i get the kde3.5 packages from which are said to be updated
[07:28] <inc|freaky> i upgraded to breezy from hoary an jhour ago still got kde3.4.something
[07:30] <sampan> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:30] <evilh> whats a good, easy to use firewall?
[07:32] <sampan> evilh, by default, (k)ubuntu has no services turned on that listen for (uninvited) external packets.  unless you're running a server of some kind (non-default), you don't really need a firewall at all.
[07:33] <sampan> evilh  but, if you still want one, firestarter (in the repos) is easy to install, set up, and allows for on-the-fly changes to iptables
[07:33] <evilh> sampan: ok thanks. since i dont need one then no point messing with one
[07:34] <inc|freaky> WTF happened to firefox and thunderbird?!? they cant be installed into the bin directory anymore i have to execute it in the unextracted directory!!!!
[07:34] <inc|freaky> so no F2 --> firefox anymore
[07:34] <inc|freaky> :(((
[07:35] <howcomes> inc|freaky are you trying to upgrade to 1.5 ?
[07:35] <inc|freaky> i installed the breezy packages and noticed they're old so i downloaded the .tar.gzs and found out that theres no installer
[07:35] <inc|freaky> for any of them
[07:36] <howcomes> i see
[07:36] <inc|freaky> :(((((
[07:36] <inc|freaky> that REALLY!!! sucks
[07:36] <howcomes> well i can tell you how to upgrade to Firefox 1.5
[07:36] <inc|freaky> no i think i will install windows again, there i can at least install firefox and thunderbird
[07:37] <rich0rd> lol
[07:37] <rich0rd> just do that
[07:37] <inc|freaky> just be quiet
[07:37] <howcomes> inc|freaky
[07:37] <howcomes> look at this -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:37] <inc|freaky> yea?
[07:37] <inc|freaky> thx
[07:37] <howcomes> that will get you upgraded to firefox 1.5
[07:38] <howcomes> the same instructions may work for Thunderbird as well
[07:39] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody have a little time to write me a very little bash script?
[07:39] <MetaMorfoziS> i want a keyboard changer script, which view the current keymap, and if its us set it to hu and if it hu set it to en
[07:39] <MetaMorfoziS> setxkbmap hu
[07:39] <MetaMorfoziS> setxkbmap us
[07:40] <MetaMorfoziS> anybody?
[07:40] <Ra211> how do I upgrade to KDE 3.5.1?
[07:40] <MetaMorfoziS> Ra211: simply, apt-get upgrade
[07:41] <Ra211> 0 upgraded, 0 installed, etc...?
[07:41] <howcomes> Ra211
[07:41] <howcomes> I wrote a HOWTO , gimme a sec to get it
[07:41] <howcomes> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=124812
[07:41] <howcomes> there ya go
[07:41] <weedar> there's also a link on the kubuntu homepage
[07:42] <Ra211> thanks... was looking for that on the forums already
[07:42] <weedar> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[07:42] <rizo> please help somebody with kde and gnome font conflict can't change fonts in gnome and google reader not looking right in all browsers
[07:43] <rizo> because of font
[07:43] <rizo> file:///home/rizo/Desktop/greader.png
[07:44] <rizo> please help somebody with kde and gnome font conflict can't change fonts in gnome and google reader not looking right in all browsers because of the font issue..
[07:49] <nat> is someone is using raki ?
[08:24] <GuS> Hi!
[08:24] <GuS> People... i wanna ask.. wich ML i must join to help with Spanish translations for Kubuntu apps?
[08:25] <GuS> or wich place...
[08:29] <trappist> |GuS|: try in #kubuntu-es
[08:29] <|GuS|> thanks
[08:31] <Riddell> |GuS|: kubuntu will not be in launchpad.net for translations for another couple of months yet when dapper opens for translation
[08:31] <Riddell> |GuS|: you can always help the KDE spanish team in the mean time
[08:31] <|GuS|> Ok Riddell , thanks for the Tip :)
[08:31] <lwizardl> hi
[08:32] <lwizardl> does the x86 install cd have an option for laptops with small hd's
[08:33] <|GuS|> Well.. thanks!.. cya around!
[08:40] <visik7> |wizard| use xubuntu or run ubuntu-server
[08:44] <lwizardl> whats xubuntu
[08:45] <weedar> I installed firefox 1.5 directly from the tarball, instead of following the guide. How wrong was that?
[08:45] <ziza> weedar: nothing wrong in that
[08:46] <weedar> Some pages don't play movies, although mplayer worked for the old firefox. Any tips ziza? :)
[08:48] <ziza> hm, i'm sorry, but i'm not that much into embedded media on webpages you know, but maybe it's because the mplayer plugin for firefox can't be found by FF 1.5
[08:48] <ziza> i think i have the same problem, but i'm too lazy to configure it :)
[08:50] <ziza> if i really want to see embedded media i just look into the sourcecode, download the streaming file and open it explicitly with the player of my choice :)
[08:51] <ziza> what a terrific helper i am :D
[08:52] <weedar> I think you're doing fine :)
[08:52] <ziza> hehe
[08:53] <weedar> I should probably google some more first, then ask somewhere again
[08:54] <ziza> maybe a search on www.ubuntuforums.org might help
[08:57] <lwizardl> so if i install kubuntu as a server i should beable to change it to a desktop style correct?
[08:57] <weedar> ziza, the answer was right infront of me..  sudo ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/* . =)
[08:58] <weedar> It wa actually in the guide I didn't follow
[08:58] <ziza> cool
[08:59] <humboldt> Does anybody know how to get the kwrited to work in ubuntu breezy? I read in some mailing list that it was disabled in debian due to some security reason. However, I think this is an important piece of software for delivering messages of all sort directly to the users (like please save all your work, system is on UPS now due to power failure, system will shut down in 10 minutes if power does not come back online).
[09:00] <ziza> kwrited = kwrite?
[09:00] <ziza> has been working all the time on my system
[09:06] <m_tadeu> hi...i have mounted a partition with write permissions, but some directories are read only...howcome?
[09:08] <CarstenP> which games should i try?
[09:08] <evilh> kbounce rocks
[09:08] <ziza> Solitaire :P
[09:08] <smoet> uhm, because it only means you can write to the partition. that doesn't mean everything on the partition has write permissions.
[09:10] <m_tadeu> smoet: its a fat32 and all directories were created with windows, so they should have the same permission settings, i guess
[09:12] <smoet> oh sorry i thought you were talking about a linux filesystem. then i don't know why that is
[09:15] <CarstenP> is there a website with some k-games?
[09:16] <evilh> there is all kinds of games in the repositories
[09:16] <CarstenP> i mean, where they are presented? i am looking for puzzle type games, but i dont know the names
[09:16] <specialbuddy> how do I get a root terminal up
[09:16] <humboldt> ziza: kwrite is an editor. kwrited is a daemon to receive and display message sent via wall and write some old old UNIX messaging tools (very rudimentary but usefull).
[09:16] <specialbuddy> because it won't let me in ever after I install
[09:16] <evilh> if you hover over the package itll give a short description
[09:18] <m_tadeu> is there a tool to convert a fat32 to ext3( without formating )?
[09:21] <vandal> hey where can i get a list of repository mirrors?
[09:21] <vandal> mine appears down
[09:21] <thehil> Some people reported that after an upgrade of KDE on Kubuntu5.10, you cannot unlock the screen if you lock it.
[09:22] <fatbrain> Hi, I have installed Subversion on my kubuntu, do I need apache to access the svn repository from a remote location?
[09:22] <thehil> vandal, from http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[09:22] <thehil> fatbrain: I guess not
[09:23] <fatbrain> thehil: Do I have to start some svn application on my kubuntu?
[09:23] <fatbrain> thehil: like, some sort of service or something?
[09:23] <thehil> fatbrain: svn is independent from Apache. are you running it as a client or a server?
[09:23] <fatbrain> server
[09:23] <fatbrain> I want to access my svn repo from another computer (using tcp)
[09:24] <thehil> fatbrain: try to locate the server of svn from /etc/init.d/
[09:24] <thehil> fatbrain: I dont use svn but I would try /etc/init.d/svn restart to start it
[09:24] <monteiro> when i install something with "adept" the program crashes. Anyone knows how to solve that?
[09:25] <thehil> monteiro: give the crash debug info
[09:25] <fatbrain> thehil: ok, thanks, I'll try that
[09:26] <lwizardl> after i install kde (kdm) how do i start it
[09:26] <thehil> fatbrain: Hope you find more info from google
[09:27] <thehil> lwizardl: if you want to start KDE, startkde: /usr/bin/startkde would do it; if you want to switch from xdm to kdm, you have to edit files in /etc
[09:28] <lwizardl> startkde not found
[09:29] <thehil> lwizardl: I can find startkde in my system. How did you install KDE?
[09:29] <lwizardl> sudo apt-get install kdm
[09:30] <thehil> lwizardl: you installed kdm not kde. do you have kde?
[09:30] <lwizardl> i don't think so
[09:31] <paulvolk> Hey guys
[09:31] <thehil> lwizardl: why do you want kdm if you dont have kde? kdm is probably in /etc/kde/kdm /usr/bin/kdm
[09:32] <lwizardl> trying to install it i was told to do a server install
[09:32] <lwizardl> but i need a gui and prefer kde
[09:32] <g33k> hi
[09:32] <g33k> can anyone help me with an kubuntu problem ?
[09:32] <g33k> i am new
[09:32] <thehil> g33k: what problem/
[09:32] <paulvolk> I want to install linux on a second hd and have windows on the primary. I have windows installed on the primary and have about 1 gig on the primary if it is needed. how do I install Kubuntu so that I have a dual boot system?
[09:32] <g33k> okay i explain
[09:33] <g33k> if i use apt-get i get an error with eagle-usb-utils
[09:33] <specialbuddy> how do I get a root terminal
[09:33] <thehil> paulvolk: you can boot kubuntu and install it if you have a 2nd HD. It will produce dual boot by default
[09:33] <g33k> i have to configure it or simething like that
[09:33] <thehil> specialbuddy: sudo -s
[09:34] <g33k> what is eagle-usb-utils
[09:34] <g33k> and how to configure ?
[09:34] <specialbuddy> thanks
[09:35] <thehil>  g33k: nenver heard of it
[09:35] <g33k> mmhh okay
[09:35] <paulvolk> ok but I have windows on the primary and 1 gig on the primary if needed but the bios is so old that I can not choose to boot from the secondary instead of primary
[09:35] <thehil>  g33k: why do you need it?
[09:35] <g33k> because of this error i cant use apt-get
[09:35] <g33k> and apt is very important
[09:36] <g33k> i just wanna install mp3 for amarok
[09:36] <thehil> paulvolk: you will modify MBR (boot master record) to produce dual boot. 1 gigabyte for kubuntu is not enough. You need 2 to have a full functional kubuntu
[09:36] <beefsprocket> paulvolk, grub (grand unified bootloader) will detect your installations, both ubuntu and windows and give you the choice of either one
[09:37] <thehil> g33k: eloberate the error more
[09:37] <g33k> eloberate ?
[09:38] <g33k> mmh okay
[09:38] <g33k> i wll try
[09:38] <paulvolk> but I only have 1 gig and I have a secon hd that is free
[09:38] <thehil> g33k: elaborate the error
[09:39] <g33k> at the end there is an error like this
[09:39] <g33k> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:39] <paulvolk> I want the boot part on the primary and the data stored (like programs) on the secondary
[09:39] <beefsprocket> paulvolk, so do you have the 2nd hdd connected as slave to the primary ide channel?
[09:39] <thehil> g33k: what was before that
[09:39] <paulvolk> um I am not sure
[09:39] <weedar> What is the prefered partitioning tool with a GUI for kubuntu?
[09:40] <thehil> paulvolk: elaborate your disk schema
[09:40] <LjL> weedar: you could use qtparted
[09:40] <beefsprocket> is it on the same cable as the other hard drive or is it on a cdrom's cable?
[09:40] <thehil> weedar: Theres no GUI partition tool by default in kubuntu
[09:40] <g33k> it said "Configure eagle-usb-utils ein ...."
[09:40] <thehil>  weedar: grub is prefered
[09:40] <g33k> Then came an error
[09:40] <paulvolk> probobly same cable as the hd
[09:40] <g33k> moment
[09:41] <g33k> dpkg: Error configure eagle-usb-utils (--configure):
[09:41] <thehil> paulvolk: I have only few minutes to help you. Give me the partitions on the disks. how many disk do you have?
[09:41] <weedar> I will look into those LjL and thehil
[09:41] <paulvolk> 2 disks
[09:41] <g33k> Subprocess post-installation script has Errorcode 127
[09:41] <thehil> g33k: you were installing eagle-usb-utils but apt failed to configure it
[09:41] <LjL> thehil: is grub a partition editor as well?
[09:42] <g33k> i translate the error from german to english
[09:42] <g33k> its not 1:1
[09:42] <thehil> paulvolk: 2 empty disks? elaborate them
[09:42] <g33k> yes
[09:42] <paulvolk> primary is 40 gigs slave 10 I have 1 gig free on primary the rest is windows
[09:42] <thehil> g33k: why do you use German version?
[09:42] <weedar> I'd love a partitioning tool with a GUI and the possibility to format partitions with different formats (ext3,fat32,ntfs, etc..)
[09:42] <paulvolk> the slave is empty
[09:42] <StR> Hi all...
[09:42] <g33k> because i am german ^^
[09:42] <thehil> weedar: webmin has a GUI for grub.
[09:43] <StR> I have a problem with my kontact in kde3.51 ... it crashes if I select the mail vew, and then return to summary....
[09:43] <thehil>  g33k: Damn German. The same as my roommate.
[09:43] <thehil> g33k: I take that back. Some german girls are HOT!
[09:43] <weedar> which reminds me, I installed webmin some time ago.. I was unable to log in
[09:43] <g33k> Are you studing ?
[09:43] <weedar> do I have to make a root account thehil ?
[09:43] <thehil> g33k: in www.cwu.edu
[09:43] <g33k> Where are you from ?
[09:43] <thehil>  weedar : normally no. whats the purpose?
[09:43] <thehil> g33k: China. I am located in USA now
[09:44] <weedar> thehil, to log into webmin :)
[09:44] <thehil>  g33k: are you in USA?
[09:44] <g33k> You are from China ?
[09:44] <LjL> weedar: qtparted can do that, i think
[09:44] <thehil>  g33k: Do you instant message?
[09:44] <g33k> Very nice i like asian.
[09:44] <g33k> yes
[09:44] <weedar> LjL, ah I see I was looking at the wrong program, Kqtparted
[09:44] <thehil> g33k: what IM do you use?
[09:44] <paulvolk> thehil did you hear me?
[09:45] <StR> can anyone checks if kontact crashes too in kde 3.5.1?
[09:45] <g33k> i use Kopete with ICQ
[09:45] <jindiaz> hey can anyone help me really quick here?  i need some help setting up a windows xp and linux network
[09:45] <thehil> weedar: make an root account and install webmin. it should work
[09:45] <weedar> thehil, so in other words webmin won't work in kubuntu with a root-account?
[09:45] <thehil>  g33k: you can add my AIM: allhilbert . I will help you later.
[09:45] <g33k> okay
[09:45] <g33k> thanks
[09:46] <thehil> weedar: probably without a root account
[09:46] <thehil>  weedar: Mine is working
[09:46] <paulvolk> thehil can you please help me?
[09:46] <weedar> thehil, with your normal account?
[09:46] <_Blaise> hello everyone
[09:46] <thehil>  paulvolk: with my normal account? what do you mean? are you trying to make webmin work?
[09:46] <thehil>  paulvolk: I have to go in 4 min
[09:47] <thehil>  paulvolk: Quick! Shoot it!
[09:47] <paulvolk> no with the install issue
[09:47] <paulvolk> on the 2 hd?
[09:47] <jindiaz> yah... um anyone?
[09:47] <jindiaz> please
[09:47] <kkathman> jindiaz: whats the problem?
[09:47] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: what's up?
[09:47] <thehil> paulvolk: I have experience with it enough and Id like to help you but I have to go. I will leave my email and you can reach me
[09:47] <paulvolk> ok
[09:47] <jindiaz> just quickly. how would i go about setting up a windows xp and linux netwrok
[09:48] <paulvolk> what is your email?
[09:48] <thehil> paulvolk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hil
[09:48] <weedar> thehil, yes I asked if webmin worked with your normal user account, without the need to install/create a root account
[09:48] <paulvolk> ok
[09:48] <paulvolk> thanks
[09:48] <kkathman> jindiaz: be sure that your windows areas are shared first
[09:48] <g33k> thehil, got an  UIN ?
[09:48] <thehil>  g33k: i dont use ICQ. I use AIM
[09:48] <jindiaz> ok, so set those as shared folders first?
[09:48] <kkathman> jindiaz: yes
[09:49] <g33k> Did i have to make me an AIM account first ?
[09:49] <jindiaz> ok, one moment, this will only take a second
[09:49] <kkathman> jindiaz: its best if all boxes are on the same workgroup too
[09:49] <g33k> Dont know AIM, never used it
[09:49] <thehil>  g33k: probably not. They are compatible . try to force to add me. If you have gmail, you can add me too
[09:49] <kkathman> jindiaz: on your linix box you
[09:49] <kkathman> jindiaz: on the linux box you will want to run samba
[09:50] <g33k> okay i will try
[09:50] <kkathman> jindiaz: actually if you installed from the disk and have no probelems connecting to the net, when you open conqueror they should be seen
[09:50] <jindiaz> ok so i put one folder as a share to start with, from there ill do the rest later
[09:50] <thehil> weedar: When I installed webmin, I had my root password configured. Whats your problem of webmin?
[09:50] <jindiaz> o really?
[09:50] <thehil>  g33k:  do you have gmail?
[09:51] <weedar> thehil, my problem is the inability to login to webmin, but then again I don't have a separate root account
[09:51] <jindiaz> where would they be in konquerer?
[09:51] <_home> is there a goog media player for kubuntu 5.10?
[09:51] <thehil>  g33k: Add my gmail account by accessing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hil
[09:51] <kkathman> jindiaz: yes, open Konqueror and you should see them, or put in their network address  as  smb://192.168.x.y  whatever it is
[09:51] <weedar> _home, yes there are many. VLC, mplayer, xine and others
[09:51] <thehil> weedar: try to re-configure webmin from apt-get
[09:51] <kkathman> jindiaz:  those without the $ will be the shared folders
[09:52] <weedar> thehil, good idea, I'll look into that. Thank you :)
[09:52] <kkathman> jindiaz: try those things first, if you have probs, then you may have firewall things, etc
[09:52] <jindiaz> uhhh i dont see anything there
[09:53] <_home> can anyone help me installing vlc?
[09:53] <jindiaz> when i open samba it says its unable to find any workgroups
[09:53] <kkathman> jindiaz:  as I mentioned above..they need to be on the same workgroup
[09:53] <kkathman> they dont NEED to be, but its best
[09:54] <jindiaz> damn.  ok how do i do that with these?  they are linked through a switch
[09:54] <jindiaz> then to a router
[09:54] <jindiaz> then to modem
[09:54] <jindiaz> etc etc
[09:54] <g33k> I am registering at AIM
[09:54] <g33k> then i will add you
[09:55] <_Blaise> Can someone tell me where to find my boot logs please?
[09:56] <trispace> _Blaise: in /var/log/dmesg you'll find the kernel boot log
[09:58] <_Blaise> thanks!
[09:58] <kkathman> jindaz check your windows box and see what the workgroup is
[09:58] <jindiaz> ok one sec
[09:58] <kkathman> or
[09:59] <kkathman> check what your linux box workgroup is and change the windows one
[09:59] <kkathman> whichever you want
[09:59] <kkathman> the WORKGROUP setting for your linux is in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[10:00] <_home> is there no synaptic in kubuntu??
[10:00] <beefsprocket> nope
[10:00] <beefsprocket> but you can use adept etc. to get it if you really really need it
[10:01] <kkathman> _home yes there is
[10:01] <jindiaz> the windows one ios the default, mshome
[10:01] <kkathman> jindiaz: ok you can change either one..its your choice
[10:02] <jindiaz> ok so ill just change the linux one to make it easy
[10:02] <jindiaz> so where do i edit that file?
[10:02] <jindiaz> or how... to be more precise
[10:02] <kkathman> jindiaz:  edit at root,  the file  /etc/samba/smb.conf
[10:03] <kkathman> jindiaz:  look for the line WORKGROUP=
[10:03] <jindiaz> at root?  i cant do it through konquerer?
[10:03] <kkathman> jindiaz:  no
[10:03] <jindiaz> crap
[10:04] <jindiaz> ok, where then?  and in konquerer, it does say workgroup = mshome btw
[10:04] <LeeJunFan> small price to pay in exchange for security.
[10:04] <kkathman> jindiaz:  if you are on kubuntu,  alt-f2 then type  kdesu kate
[10:04] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  I am on a phone call..can you help jindiaz please
[10:04] <jindiaz> cool, got kate oppen
[10:04] <kkathman> he's just trying to see his windows shares
[10:05] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: yeah.
[10:05] <kkathman> thanx
[10:05] <jindiaz> thanx kkathman
[10:05] <jindiaz> and lee
[10:05] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  he needs to check the workgroup..thats where I was goin
[10:05] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: now file->open and open your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[10:06] <jindiaz> ok cool, got it up
[10:06] <StR> Hi all
[10:06] <StR> anyone could help me check if kontact crashes?
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: make sure it's set to workgroup = MSHOME
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> if in fact that is the name of the workgroup.
[10:06] <jindiaz> yup, it already does
[10:08] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: lemme read back a bit and see what's going on.
[10:08] <StR> anyone else with kde 3.5.1 with a crashing kontact?
[10:08] <jindiaz> haha ok man, ill be waiting here
[10:09] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: how are you testing to see if you can see your other machine?
[10:10] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: from a shell try typing 'smbclient -L localhost' just hit [enter]  and password prompt and paste your results to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[10:10] <weedar> Any ideas why a computer running kubuntu would freeze after installing a harddrive that at least in theory works?
[10:10] <jindiaz> ummm im not
[10:11] <jindiaz> in terminal right?
[10:11] <jindiaz> just type that?
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: if you open konqueror in location what do you see if you type 'smb:/' [enter] 
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: yeah
[10:12] <LeeJunFan> w/o the ' marks
[10:12] <LjL> weedar: uh, dunno, i suppose the master/slave jumpers are set correctly?
[10:12] <jindiaz> a message pops up.  unable to find any computers in your local network
[10:12] <jindiaz> and yah i typed that in to terminal, it says...
[10:13] <jindiaz> Error connecting to 127.0.0.1 (Connection refused)
[10:13] <weedar> LjL, yes the harddrive is set as master on the secondary IDE. When on cable-select linux wouldn't boot properly (for some odd reason it set itself to slave which is the same as the cd-rom drive)
[10:13] <jindiaz> Connection to localhost failed
[10:13] <LjL> weedar: what does it mean that it "freezes"?
[10:13] <weedar> The freeze occured after having booted and while running as normal. The hard-drive wasn't even in use at the time of the freeze
[10:13] <LjL> oh
[10:13] <LjL> did that only happen once?
[10:14] <weedar> yes it happened just now
[10:14] <weedar> the reason why I quit last time
[10:14] <LjL> well, i know linux doesn't crash very often, but perhaps it was just a coincidence
[10:14] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: what about in konqueror?
[10:14] <LeeJunFan> smb:/
[10:14] <jindiaz> yah it says "Unable to find any workgroups in your local network"
[10:15] <LjL> weedar: couldn't your power supply be overloaded?
[10:15] <weedar> LjL, that is my current theory since I got this hard-drive after replacing it with another one that gave the same result
[10:15] <weedar> LjL, although to be fair the other one also gave an error during boot-up (S.M.A.R.T.)
[10:15] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: odd, I have a similar setup here, one winxp home, and my linux box w/o samba-server, just like yours, I've not touched any configs.
[10:15] <weedar> while this one did not
[10:16] <weedar> did/does
[10:16] <LjL> weedar: well, install the smart utilities to be sure
[10:16] <LjL> weedar: the package name is smartmontools i think
[10:16] <weedar> LjL, great tip, thank you!
[10:17] <LjL> weedar: i don't think that will tell you anything if the power supply is the problem, though
[10:17] <weedar> Well, the psu and casing is fairly new..
[10:18] <jindiaz> me neither
[10:18] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: do you have a firewall setup on your windows box?
[10:18] <LjL> weedar: perhaps also get sensord, that can monitor some voltages and stuff if your motherboard has that feature
[10:18] <StR> Riddell: are you there?
[10:18] <jindiaz> ummmmm on the windows i have sygate and peerguardian running,
[10:18] <LjL> weedar: actually, lm-sensors should be all that you need, not sensord. well actually you could also find a graphical frontend to it nicer, like KSensors
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: I'm not familiar with either of those but they could be disallowing your windows machine from both broadcasting and/or allowing connections to it.
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: what about smbclient -L [ip of your windows machine] 
[10:21] <jindiaz> ok let me turn them off
[10:23] <jindiaz> lol, ok that was the problem
[10:23] <jindiaz> ok but now i have another
[10:23] <jindiaz> lol
[10:23] <jindiaz> ok so i got into the mshome thing
[10:24] <jindiaz> then into that pc
[10:24] <jindiaz> but im trying to access a folder on another of the hds, notc, and its prompting me for user name and password
[10:24] <jindiaz> is that the usern and pass of that machine?
[10:25] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: yes
[10:25] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: and if you don't have a passwd set on the windows you will need to set one.
[10:25] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: you may be able to get access to some thing by typing un: guest and pw blank.
[10:26] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: but best to use real user/pass.
[10:26] <reagleBRKLN> In my KMenu I have created an application shortcut to the command /usr/bin/X11/xvncviewer -via localhost -passwd ~/.vnc/passwd shuttle:0. I have associated the blue screen icon of KRDC within the KMenu. However, when I am running the application and iconify xvncviewer I get the ugly and generic X window icon in the taskbar. Is there any way to fix that? The reason I ask is because a number of appl
[10:26] <eightiesk> hello
[10:26] <jindiaz> ummm ok, is it the one the same is the atrtup password?
[10:26] <jindiaz> cause if it is that isnt working
[10:27] <jindiaz> or is this a netowrking password which i musyt make?
[10:28] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: it should be the same username and password you use to log into the machine. Is it XP pro or home?
[10:28] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: hehe, or xp at all?
[10:28] <jindiaz> pro
[10:28] <jindiaz> hahahah
[10:28] <jindiaz> xp pro
[10:28] <jindiaz> lol
[10:29] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: try logging in with administrator username and password.
[10:30] <jindiaz> thats whut i have been trying to do, the pc belongs to me, so its under the admin account
[10:30] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: I forget exactly how in XP but you have to enable sharing.
[10:31] <jindiaz> its not working on any hd btw, there are 4
[10:31] <jindiaz> enable sharing....
[10:31] <jindiaz> crap
[10:31] <jindiaz> i forget as well
[10:31] <jindiaz> ok one sec
[10:31] <wincide> hi, first sorry about my english, i dont speak it very well :) . I'm looking for a site where i could find help to make a usb Hard Drive boot with linux
[10:32] <wincide> if someone knows please tellme :P
[10:32] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: right click a drive and choose sharing, from there you can click the link to enable sharing.
[10:33] <StR> who is using kde 3.5.1?
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> StR: with dapper.
[10:34] <StR> LeeJunFan: do you have problems with kontact?
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> StR: don't seem to have any. What problems?
[10:34] <evilh> wincide:http://www.zinside.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=76&language=en
[10:34] <LeeJunFan> str: did you do dist-upgrade? not just upgrade? when upgrading KDE you should do dist upgrade so it can install missing deps.
[10:35] <Riddell> StR: hi
[10:35] <evilh> wincide: thats all i know about it aside from some news articles
[10:35] <wincide> thx a lot evilh  :D
[10:35] <StR> LeeJunFan: for me, it crashes when.. It starts with the summary view.. then I go, the mail view, then return to the summary and it crashes
[10:35] <StR> Riddell: hi ... I want to report that bug....
[10:35] <wincide> evilh: i'll try to install it
[10:35] <wincide> thx again :D
[10:35] <jindiaz> nope... still no luck
[10:36] <jindiaz> crapppppppppppp
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> str: yeah, I dont' have that prob with dapper.
[10:36] <StR> LeeJunFan: did you check that?
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> StR: yeah.
[10:36] <StR> LeeJunFan: yes, I did a dist-upgrade...
[10:37] <Riddell> StR: which?
[10:37] <wincide> evilh:  but that iso is not free  Oo
[10:37] <wincide> 24  huauhahaa
[10:38] <StR> Riddell: kontact: r me, it crashes when.. It starts with the summary view.. then I go, the mail view, then return to the summary and it crashes
[10:38] <StR> Riddell: in breezy
[10:38] <LjL> wincide: well, if they can find people buying it, good for them
[10:38] <Riddell> StR: don't know of that one.  what KDE version?
[10:38] <StR> Riddell: 3.5.1
[10:38] <evilh> wincide: as far as i know there is not yet a free version of ubuntu/ kubuntu that can be installed on a USB drive. there are other distros though
[10:38] <jindiaz> any suggestions lee??
[10:38] <pestilence> why doesn't konversation have any other servers in its default list other than freenode :-x
[10:39] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: I dunno, have you tried smbclient -L [ip of your windows box] 
[10:39] <wincide> evilh:  ok, but it's the first ubuntu distro i see that is not free :S
[10:39] <wincide> thx anyway :P
[10:39] <jindiaz> nope, how do i do that?
[10:40] <evilh> wincide: you are not actually paying for  Ubuntu but for the software to have it boot off the USB drive. give it a few weeks and i am sure someone will find a way to do it for free if they havent already
[10:40] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: alt-f2 type 'konsole' to open a shell and type
[10:41] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: 'smbclient -L [ip of your windows machine] '
[10:41] <Riddell> StR: hmm, works for me, install kdelibs4c2a-dbg and add the backtrace to a report then
[10:42] <wincide> evilh: :)
[10:42] <StR> Riddell: let me try
[10:42] <jindiaz> no ip address shows up, just a list of commands
[10:44] <weedar> I see that the newest version of wireless extensions support wpa, does that mean it makes wpa_supplicant obsolete?
[10:44] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: type in the ip address of your windows machine, or the name of it like, smbclient -L winblows, or smbclient -L 192.168.0.101
[10:47] <jindiaz> smbclient -L 192.168.0.101, i put that in and a whole bunch o info comes up, but it says session request fails at end
[10:47] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: is that the IP of your windows machine?
[10:48] <paulvolk> can some one help me with an install problem?
[10:49] <jindiaz> ummm ok i got my ip off the net, and it says timeout connecting to 24.235.146.249:445
[10:49] <paulvolk> can any one help me?
[10:49] <jindiaz> god damn, i cant wait till both my machines are linux
[10:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:49] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: what's up now?
[10:49] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: that won't work, that would be the IP address of your router on the internet, your internal IP address you can get from networking in windows xp.
[10:50] <jindiaz> oooo
[10:50] <jindiaz> crap
[10:50] <paulvolk> I still haven't figured it out beefsprocket
[10:50] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: you can also use the name of the windows machine.
[10:50] <jindiaz> where exactly??
[10:50] <beefsprocket> ok
[10:50] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: instead of the IP.
[10:50] <jindiaz> the name of the machine is nothing
[10:50] <jindiaz> lol
[10:50] <paulvolk> I have no idea how to put the boot on the primary but the data on the secondary can you help?
[10:50] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: what you want to do is select the entire /dev/hdb when you get the to partition part
[10:50] <paulvolk> ok
[10:50] <jindiaz> ummm wait. let me check
[10:50] <paulvolk> wait
[10:51] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: the thing is... wiating
[10:51] <paulvolk> I have 2 hd right one is hda the other which it the one I want to use for linux is hdd
[10:51] <paulvolk> that has nothing to do with anything right?
[10:52] <beefsprocket> ok, so you want to install to hdd instead of hdv
[10:52] <beefsprocket> hdb sorry
[10:52] <beefsprocket> it does
[10:52] <paulvolk> ok
[10:52] <paulvolk> ok
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: I gotta run out, perhaps someone else can pick up? This is getting to be like a relay race for you :)
[10:52] <hawking> how can i enable identd?
[10:52] <paulvolk> so install it to hdd then what?
[10:52] <beefsprocket> the thing with boot is this: grub will install to the mbr of your /dev/hda
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: I'm pretty certain your problem is on the windows side at this point at least.
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> jindiaz: we know you are connecting if it's asking for a password.
[10:53] <beefsprocket> becaue you can't boot any other hdd according to your bios right?
[10:53] <paulvolk> ok
[10:53] <paulvolk> Right
[10:53] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: ok, so when you boot, it will boot /dev/hda and find grub
[10:53] <paulvolk> I can only boot off the hda
[10:53] <weedar> Is there a reason kernel 2.6.13 isn't in the repositories?
[10:53] <jindiaz> awwwwwwwwwwwwww man
[10:53] <jindiaz> lol
[10:53] <jindiaz> yah i did that
[10:53] <jindiaz> it connects
[10:53] <paulvolk> ok
[10:53] <jindiaz> i see the shares
[10:53] <jindiaz> but still it wont connect
[10:53] <jindiaz> argh
[10:53] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: grub then looks and finds that it has windowsxp on /dev/hda1 and ubuntu on /dev/hdd
[10:53] <jindiaz> ok thanks for the help though man
[10:54] <jindiaz> appreciate it
[10:54] <beefsprocket> and gives you the choice to boot either one
[10:54] <paulvolk> ok
[10:54] <jindiaz> can anyone else help me out with this by chance?
[10:54] <beefsprocket> so the boot files can actually be on /dev/hdd because grub will find them there
[10:54] <beefsprocket> leaving you with the precious small 1gb left for windows to chew up
[10:54] <paulvolk> ok so I don't have to do anything to specify where to install grub it WILL install on hda?
[10:55] <paulvolk> I don't have to do ANYTHING special it will configure it for me?
[10:55] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: when you get there, it will prompt you telling you that it sees windows xp and then suggest that you let it install on /dev/hda mbr
[10:55] <beefsprocket> exactly
[10:55] <paulvolk> ok
[10:55] <paulvolk> ok I will try it
[10:56] <beefsprocket> well, enjoy it -- see you in 1/2 an hour?
[10:56] <paulvolk> Ya probobly
[10:56] <paulvolk> lol
[10:56] <beefsprocket> or do you have another computer you can stay connected with?
[10:56] <paulvolk> Oh ya I am on a diffrent computer right now
[10:56] <jindiaz> anyone willing to help out on this issue??
[10:57] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: still trying to get samba working?
[10:57] <paulvolk> I am just downloading the iso for the cd
[10:57] <jindiaz> sort of
[10:57] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: kk
[10:57] <paulvolk> Samba was a pain for me
[10:57] <jindiaz> it has come to the point where it works i can get into the other pc, but cannot access the shares and hard drives
[10:57] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: make sure to check the md5sum of the iso before you burn it
[10:57] <paulvolk> took me like 4 days
[10:57] <paulvolk> ok
[10:57] <jindiaz> like when the prompt comes up for usern and pass, it doesnt work
[10:57] <paulvolk> How would I check the md5sum?
[10:58] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: are you in windows now? there is a free tool on sourceforge that will do it
[10:58] <paulvolk> no I am on linux
[10:58] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: getting stuck in an endless authentication loop?
[10:58] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: then you can just run the md5sum utility from the command line on the iso
[10:58] <jindiaz> yah i think so, if that whut is is called then yes
[10:58] <jindiaz> actually.... yes.
[10:59] <jindiaz> lol
[10:59] <paulvolk> what is the command?
[10:59] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: and then take a look at the md5sum file on the mirror you dl'ed the iso from
[10:59] <beefsprocket> md5sum I think
[10:59] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: have you tried smb4ks?
[10:59] <beefsprocket> or whatever the package is called?
[10:59] <jindiaz> nope, i have no idea what that is
[11:00] <beefsprocket> try it -- I can mount smb shares with it sometimes, whereas konqueror just goes in endless loops
[11:00] <ziza> is anybody using gstreamer 0.10? i'm just curious about how good it is :)
[11:00] <jindiaz> ok, but try what exactly
[11:00] <jindiaz> i have no idea whut yu are even refering to
[11:01] <beefsprocket> well, install it first, then scan your local network (smb4k is a samba mounting program of sorts)
[11:01] <beefsprocket> gui and all
[11:01] <beefsprocket> it should find the xp box on mshome
[11:01] <jindiaz> ok, so find it in adept?
[11:02] <beefsprocket> yep
[11:02] <jindiaz> ummmm its not there
[11:03] <beefsprocket> do you have universe repositories? not sure if that's where you find it, but I've got it
[11:04] <beefsprocket> try apt-cache show smb4k
[11:04] <beefsprocket> or just apt-get install smb4k
[11:05] <jindiaz> ummmmm... i dont think so, it says couldnt get whatever like alot in the terminal when i put those commands in
[11:05] <jindiaz> but i have them enabled in the repositories
[11:06] <Knowerrors> How do you enable image browsing mode in kde 3.5.1 konq?
[11:07] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: so you tried apt-get right?
[11:08] <jindiaz> yah, didnt work
[11:08] <jindiaz> frick no adept is messed, crashed and says i cant do anything, i have to be root user
[11:08] <jindiaz> which i should be
[11:08] <jindiaz> argh....
[11:08] <beefsprocket> ;)
[11:09] <jindiaz> well that enough trying to undertsand linux for me for one day
[11:09] <jindiaz> thanks again beef, appreciate the help
[11:10] <beefsprocket> jindiaz: sometimes it works best to start again with the configs from scratch
[11:10] <jindiaz> ill be back on here somne other day figuring out some other problem
[11:10] <jindiaz> coo, sounds good man
[11:10] <beefsprocket> np, see you around then
[11:10] <jindiaz> thanks again
[11:10] <jindiaz> lates
[11:12] <beefsprocket> is there something I can change to keep the kde startup music fromdoubling in volume on startup? I disable reload on startup but without sucess
[11:13] <beefsprocket> about 1/2 way through the music, the volume doubles, but kmix controls stay in place
[11:15] <`Nomad> !windows
[11:15] <ubotu> it has been said that windows is unnecessary - everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[11:15] <`Nomad> !windowsafterubuntu
[11:15] <ubotu> `Nomad: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:16] <MetaMorfoziS> good night
[11:20] <`Nomad> I have kubuntu running with 2 HD and soem free space on my second one.. I "need" to have XP instaklled as well now, so if I install it, do I simply follow the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows to recover my boot ability?
[11:20] <`Nomad> If I mess up badly I won't have a PC to search th enet for help
[11:20] <`Nomad> so kind of nervous
[11:21] <EIghtiesK> KOPETESUCKS!!
[11:21] <`Nomad> lol
[11:21] <`Nomad> how come?
[11:21] <`Nomad> and it must cuz I always use Gaim :)
[11:21] <larsivi> I think Kopete is great
[11:25] <Aji-Dahaka> it is
[11:25] <beefsprocket> indeed
[11:26] <`Nomad> So any advice or pitfalls to avoid in installing Xp after Kubuntu?
[11:26] <Aji-Dahaka> try to convince XP not to overwrite your boot record ...
[11:26] <beefsprocket> `Nomad: use a livecd to reinstall grub might help
[11:26] <`Nomad> I wonder if XP can live on 10 gigs
[11:26] <LjL> i'm sure it can
[11:26] <beefsprocket> how much ram do you have?
[11:27] <`Nomad> I'm going to follow the instructiosn here, using the install DVD in rescue mode.https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[11:27] <`Nomad> 512 megs
[11:27] <`Nomad> Wish I had vmware
[11:27] <`Nomad> damn web development needing to test for IE.. :(
[11:27] <LjL> what about qemu?
[11:27] <LjL> and IE runs under Wine as well
[11:27] <`Nomad> dunno.. what is qemu?  googling
[11:28] <beefsprocket> `Nomad: you can install i.e in wine
[11:28] <`Nomad> well wine won't run now since I upped to 3.5.1
[11:28] <`Nomad> I have many seg faults
[11:28] <Aji-Dahaka> qemu is a system emulater, kinda like vmware, but more powerful
[11:28] <`Nomad> starting with xmms
[11:28] <Aji-Dahaka> emulator*
[11:28] <beefsprocket> are you using winehq or ubuntu wine?
[11:28] <`Nomad> qemu is opensource?
[11:28] <`Nomad> ubuntu wine I guess
[11:28] <LjL> `Nomad: `nomad: qemu is a PC emulator, like VMWare, except that it emulates the CPU too, so it's slower than VMWare. but there's an "accelerator module" too (though it's not open source) that makes it much faster
[11:28] <LjL> `Nomad: qemu is open source, though the accelerator module isn't - but it's still free
[11:28] <`Nomad> I'll b elooking into qemu then
[11:29] <beefsprocket> `Nomad: try the winehq.org instructions for getting wine on debian
[11:29] <LjL> !tell `nomad about wine
[11:29] <beefsprocket> (or ubunut)
[11:29] <LjL> get the version Ubotu tells you about
[11:29] <Knowerrors> where do you set buddy icon in Kompete?
[11:29] <`Nomad> ok, thanks.. Do I remive the ubuntu one?
[11:29] <LjL> `Nomad: no need, it'll be upgraded automatically
[11:29] <`Nomad> remove
[11:29] <Aji-Dahaka> the accelerator module makes it do more exactly what vmware does.  and it's not /much/ slower.  Very competitive on processor-intensive tasks (slightly better on some I've tried)
[11:29] <`Nomad> ahh perfect
[11:29] <LjL> !kqemu
[11:30] <LjL> 23:29]  <ubotu> I heard kqemu is a *closed-source* kernel module for speeding up the QEMU virtual machine. To install on breezy, run the insQEMU.sh script available from http://oui.com.br/n/content.php?article.23 More complete install instructions can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KQEmu
[11:30] <LjL> though be careful, that Wiki page was written by me ;)
[11:30] <`Nomad> I only have an Athlon 1800 in this machien I think.. Humm.. I could get the 2200 from the dead windows box
[11:30] <`Nomad> Thanks guys!
[11:30] <LjL> not the oui.com.br script though, that's news to me
[11:30] <`Nomad> That will work with XP by the way?
[11:31] <Aji-Dahaka> qemu?  yeah, works with everything
[11:31] <Aji-Dahaka> (with a hack for win2k which is "funny")
[11:31] <`Nomad> I love linux et al.
[11:31] <`Nomad> I think I';ll try qemu first, see how that works..
[11:32] <LjL> `Nomad: that insQEMU.sh looks good, though i have no idea how well it'd actually work... but it looks like it does a lot of checks that i didn't mention in the Wiki page
[11:32] <`Nomad> I used to run win4lin, but couldn,t access anythign hardware if I remember.. Is this better now?
[11:32] <LjL> `Nomad: well, i'd suggest trying Wine first actually, as that will be much quicker to get running
[11:32] <`Nomad> XP under wine?  really&
[11:32] <`Nomad> ?
[11:32] <Aji-Dahaka> yeah, and wine will be much faster and better to the system if it works right
[11:32] <LjL> no, just IE
[11:32] <`Nomad> Ohh I see
[11:33] <Aji-Dahaka> yeah, just application-by-application
[11:33] <Aji-Dahaka> it runs a bunch of them
[11:33] <`Nomad> would all teh latest Macromedia apps work too you think?
[11:33] <Aji-Dahaka> hmm ... not sure
[11:33] <beefsprocket> `Nomad: you might look into crossover office
[11:33] <LjL> you can't access "real" hardware using VMWare or QEmu - it has to go trough the "real" operating system drivers. dunno what win4lin is
[11:33] <`Nomad> win4lin was a bit cheaper than vmware
[11:33] <LjL> `Nomad: at winehq there is an (incomplete) compatibility list
[11:34] <`Nomad> ok, lots of work ahead then.. Wine first :)
[11:34] <LjL> `Nomad: but, really, i'd just try and install it. it's handy to have installed in any case
[11:34] <LjL> `Nomad: also, you can install winetools after installing wine. that'll install and configure many things (including IE) for you, even though the folks at #winehq recommend against it
[11:35] <LjL> `Nomad: it's in the same repository as wine, so "sudo aptitude install winetools" should be all that's needed
[11:35] <LjL> (not sure why they recommend against it, they gave me a link about that yesterday, but i didn't read it :)
[11:35] <Aji-Dahaka> it's "funny" sometimes
[11:36] <`Nomad> I just went to add the repository in my sources and it was the one I already had
[11:36] <LjL> `Nomad: oh
[11:36] <LjL> `Nomad: well, try getting winetools and see how well / badly explorer installs and runs... it's worth a try
[11:37] <LjL> explorer doesn't run *too* well under wine for me, though Firefox runs fine
[11:37] <LjL> but then you need IE
[11:37] <`Nomad> winetools is not found :(
[11:37] <`Nomad> weird..
[11:37] <LjL> yeah weird
[11:37] <Aji-Dahaka> some people get it working perfectly, though
[11:37] <Aji-Dahaka> just iexplore and wine
[11:37] <LjL> are you sure that repository's really enabled? did an apt-get update?
[11:37] <`Nomad> I know, I was shocked at how far along it came when I started using wine again when I swoitched to Kubuntu
[11:37] <`Nomad> yup
[11:37] <Aji-Dahaka> I've heard from some that with winetools, it gets up and going faster, but often doesn't work right
[11:38] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: it installed fine for me, it just that it looks really slow. not that i've actually used it though
[11:38] <`Nomad> I turned it on after I had issues with wine, after bumping up to 3.5.1
[11:38] <monteiro> i installed kubuntu but it is strange that internet connection is running so slow. Anyone knows what is it?
[11:38] <Aji-Dahaka> hmm ... slow is weird
[11:39] <LjL> Aji-Dahaka: well, who cares, i don't really need it anyway... if it works well for `nomad, good for him
[11:39] <LjL> though i don't quite understand why winetools' not found - i was positive it's in the same rep as wine
[11:40] <monteiro> Aji-Dahaka: very strange, in firefox and konqueror, its all working slow opening sites
[11:40] <`Nomad> This is following Ubotu's instructions, is that the repo we're talkign about?  That's teh one I have, for bleeding-edge wine stuff
[11:40] <LjL> `Nomad: yeah that's what i'm talking about
[11:40] <LjL> i think
[11:41] <LjL> `Nomad: hold on
[11:41] <LjL> ubotu says   deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[11:41] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, LjL
[11:41] <LjL> but i have   deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ breezy/
[11:41] <LjL> shuddup bot
[11:42] <`Nomad> maybe that's why
[11:42] <`Nomad> I have a second line for source, it ends in /source
[11:42] <`Nomad> source/
[11:42] <LjL> you don't care about source... anyway, binary/ and breezy/ seem to contain the same thing
[11:42] <LjL> either i remember wrongly, and i got winetools from somewhere else (but where?), or they've removed it
[11:43] <`Nomad> ok, it's mentioned on the winehq site, will look into it ;)
[11:43] <LjL> hmm i think it's been removed
[11:43] <LjL> 'cause it's referenced in a couple of sites as part of that repository
[11:44] <LjL> i guess you'll still find a .deb somewhere though
[11:46] <`Nomad> when I run winecfg, that should run right, and not seg fault?
[11:46] <`Nomad> that is the config tool
[11:47] <LjL> yeah it should definitely run :)
[11:47] <_td> tbaa: sorry, ad a problem
[11:47] <LjL> `Nomad: anyway -- winetools has been removed, that's confirmed on winehq
[11:47] <_td> tbaa: sorry had a problem
[11:48] <`Nomad> ok, thanks..  You're a great help, I have a splitting headache
[11:48] <LjL> `Nomad: be sure you run winesetup or whatever it's called (i don't have it because it gets removed by winetools :\)
[11:48] <LjL> `Nomad: you should end up having a ~/.wine directory, containing a drive_c/, containing windows/ and all its system32/ and stuff
[11:48] <_td> tbaa: i saw that i was on the wrong channel also, just did iwconfig wlan0 essid %name and iwconfig wlan0 channel 6
[11:54] <_td> is anyone a wireless lan expert?
[11:54] <_allan> not me
[11:54] <_td> Im having trouble with my DLINK 650+
[11:54] <borut> witam
[11:54] <LjL> `Nomad: if you prefer, i could just send you a ready .wine directory - if you are not behind a NAT, 'cause otherwise i can't send DCCs
[11:55] <_allan> KDE 3.5.1 won't install kgraphics or kdevelop. Ask for details, but I don't know what to do.
[11:55] <borut> Jest tu jakis polak??
[11:55] <LjL> pl
[11:55] <LjL> !pl
[11:55] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu.pl
[11:55] <borut> Danke
[11:58] <`Nomad> LjL: I already have that made form a previous install that was working before the updates, btu thanks :)
[11:58] <LjL> `Nomad: well if IE6 works on that one, then fine
[11:59] <`Nomad> I don't have winesetup, I think it's winecfg , and "that's" what segment faults :(*
[11:59] <LjL> no, winecfg isn't winesetup
[11:59] <LjL> but if you already have a working .wine directory, then you shouldn't need to run winesetup
[11:59] <`Nomad> hum.. why would winsetup not be there?
[11:59] <`Nomad> I'll try an install and see
[11:59] <LjL> ... but then again, if winecfg crashes perhaps your .wine isn't really working =)
[12:00] <LjL> i don't know, perhaps it just has to be installed separately, i really don't remember as i've been using winetools for long
[12:01] <`Nomad> I should find winetools I think, ok
[12:01] <LjL> though i'd really suggest you start from scratch using winetools to be honest -- that is, if the current .tar.gz of winetools is easy to install / doesn't need to be installed