[01:25] <LaserJock> does anybody know who "dean" is who sent the packaging guide patch?
[05:08] <frans-th> hi all
[05:08] <frans-th> anyone can help me about community council,
[05:09] <theCore> frans-th, just ask
[05:10] <frans-th> 2 days ago mark come here, and he explain about SI development in our country, indonesia
[05:10] <frans-th> Ubuntu Asia Tour..
[05:10] <frans-th> he explain about SI, partnership and communtiy council
[05:10] <frans-th> but i still dont get it
[05:11] <frans-th> i got that there is a partnership which we must pay, and the community council
[05:11] <frans-th> i finding info what is the differences
[05:11] <frans-th> right now we are in affiliate program
[05:11] <frans-th> is this channel the room for this?
[05:12] <theCore> okay, I can't really help about the SI because I don't what it is, but I can give you a link to a page that will explain to you what is the Community Council 
[05:12] <theCore> not really
[05:13] <theCore> this channel is about the Ubuntu Documentation
[05:13] <jsgotangco> SI?
[05:14] <jsgotangco> community stuff isn't paid
[05:14] <frans-th> SI = system integrator.
[05:14] <frans-th> i am reading community council, which invited directly by mark.
[05:14] <jsgotangco> but if you're looking into a commercial venture, you have hvae talk with Canonical
[05:14] <theCore> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/council <-- here info about the CC
[05:15] <jsgotangco> the community council is for volunteers
[05:15] <frans-th> i just want to know deeply about ubuntu esp in community things
[05:15] <frans-th> how about the company that want hire people and want to become part of it.
[05:15] <theCore> frans-th, in which channel did you had a talk with Mark ? 
[05:16] <jsgotangco> theCore, he went to jakarta a few days ago
[05:16] <jsgotangco> i had lunch with mark yesterday before he flew to tokyo
[05:16] <theCore> oh ,,,
[05:16] <frans-th> mark, come to indonesia, i am his guide here, he and the team meet our minister of IT here, but i think i must prepare for the next wave, i hear that he will come in june again to indoensia
[05:16] <frans-th> jsgotangco, r u from manila?
[05:17] <jsgotangco> i wont be surprised
[05:17] <jsgotangco> frans-th, yes
[05:17] <frans-th> haha, i am with him the day before you.
[05:17] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:17] <theCore> wow, you are lucky
[05:17] <jsgotangco> although i've been talked with  mark like thrice already heh
[05:17] <frans-th> he explain a lot of ubuntu, which we cannot find in website, like how to integrate ubuntu repo with our own ubuntu archvie, and how to develop a rebranding repo and integrate with it
[05:18] <frans-th> :P
[05:18] <frans-th> i think, mark is very tired, 22 countries :P
[05:18] <jsgotangco> well sarah is much tired i'd say
[05:18] <frans-th> hehe :) mark angry always with her, to organize :P
[05:19] <jsgotangco> frans-th, if your company has people who want to volunteer in ubuntu, go ahead and let them, that's how community works
[05:19] <jsgotangco> not only will it improve their knowledge, you're also aware that you're actually contributing to something in the distro or to the community
[05:19] <frans-th> i want to educate people here about how ubuntu work, which i am, may be, only the user.
[05:20] <jsgotangco> nahh
[05:20] <jsgotangco> there's Andi and Ananda
[05:20] <frans-th> my job right now to setup ubuntu archive mirror here.
[05:20] <frans-th> Andi and Ananda :) yah he come..
[05:20] <jsgotangco> Andi is a recognized ubuntu member
[05:20] <frans-th> i know him well
[05:20] <jsgotangco> and have talked in a recent debian conference
[05:20] <jsgotangco> i get to chat with ananda on IM
[05:20] <frans-th> yah, he is the 24hours chat room bot :P
[05:20] <frans-th> oh my im is fthamura@yahoo.com
[05:21] <jsgotangco> let me add that
[05:21] <frans-th> oh, you the one which one to come to our debian conference :P
[05:21] <frans-th> turn off here, my gaim cannot login to yahoo :) 
[05:21] <jsgotangco> yes, but i was in seoul the day before your debian conference
[05:21] <frans-th> still confuse how to upgrade gaim
[05:21] <frans-th> aha,  :P you are the guy
[05:21] <frans-th> i am moderator of the mailing list ubuntu here
[05:21] <frans-th> but i am not very oftenly online in irc
[05:22] <frans-th> may be andi is better knowledge about ubuntu
[05:22] <jsgotangco> you guys should meet up often :)
[05:22] <frans-th> i just want to make igos program here, become more recogzinize.. becuas our minister event after meetin mark, still trust microsoft more
[05:22] <theCore> by the way, did you that Google hackers use Ubuntu on their desktop?
[05:22] <frans-th> gooogle hack?
[05:23] <jsgotangco> yes that's pretty old news heh
[05:23] <theCore> (by hackers I mean "software enginieers")
[05:23] <theCore> engineers*
[05:23] <carthik> my ex-proj manager works for google now, and he says that is not unusual and nothing to get excited about -- like any other company google employees are free to use the os they like
[05:24] <carthik> there are just as many FC-4 users there :)
[05:24] <frans-th> jsgotangco, i want to make a guide that everyone can read and easy to understand, may be around 1 pages, to explain how a volunteer can be part o fubuntu
[05:24] <jsgotangco> frans-th, hold on
[05:24] <frans-th> and, also, to make sure that a company can do that also..
[05:25] <jsgotangco> arrghh moin index
[05:25] <frans-th> mark explain about goobuntu also, :P i just cannot wait, when will google-ubuntu launch
[05:25] <theCore> google won't release it
[05:25] <jsgotangco> frans-th, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[05:25] <jsgotangco> no they won't release that
[05:26] <jsgotangco> it could have made the front page of the IT news though
[05:26] <frans-th> jsgotangco, what is the progress of ubuntu movement in philipina?
[05:26] <frans-th> after mark come, there are several scenario which several dont agree with mark statement :P
[05:26] <jsgotangco> frans-th, pretty good...
[05:26] <frans-th> esp the h/w vendor that hate M$
[05:27] <jsgotangco> frans-th, this is the -doc channel, i can just go to your channel and talk stuff
[05:27] <frans-th> our ubuntu member in our ubuntu mailing list 88 person :( compare to general linux user 1500 
[05:27] <frans-th> ok
[05:27] <frans-th> ubuntu-id
[05:27] <frans-th> :P
[05:27] <frans-th> sorry guys
[05:27] <jsgotangco> frans-th, its ok, the channel is logged and we don't want to log offtopic stuff
[05:28] <frans-th> what is that mean?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> this channel maintains a log
[05:28] <frans-th> i still finding how much ubuntu channel  :) and what is that. :) i am new here, event i am moderator of the mailing list :) hahah
[05:28] <theCore> everything said here is recorded by a bot
[05:28] <jsgotangco> and could be used against you? hehehe
[05:28] <frans-th> :P
[05:29] <jsgotangco> ill grab a bite first
[05:29] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:36] <theCore> I wonder if have chances to accepted as a member ... 
[05:37] <frans-th> ?
[05:38] <theCore> a Ubuntu member.
[05:39] <frans-th> dont get it..
[05:39] <theCore> anyway, I wouldn't see a difference being a member except for the @ubuntu.com email 
[05:40] <theCore> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[05:40] <Madpilot> theCore: Membership gets you commit right to the doc repo, among other things
[05:40] <frans-th> my friend, andi got that also :) but i am not interest with it, my interest here, ubuntu are the market leader :)
[05:41] <theCore> Madpilot, can get around that by submitting my diff on the mailing list, however I admit that it would be convenient
[05:42] <Madpilot> yeah, it means less trouble for those w/ commit rights
[05:42] <theCore> frans-th, that ubuntu bug #1
[05:42] <Madpilot> ...but I've gone and forgotten my PGP password, so my key is f'ing useless and I can't decrypt the email I got that'll give me commit rights...
[05:43] <frans-th> i like the bugs #1 :P
[05:44] <frans-th> i think my job here, is more like marketing rather than contributor
[05:44] <frans-th> but still dont know, what is the positioning for chearleader of ubuntu :P
[07:32] <jsgotangco> on the frontpage of the kde.org wiki, it says 
[07:32] <jsgotangco> Expertise
[07:32] <jsgotangco>  Make sure you are an expert on what you write here, or become one. Be bold in changing what can be better. Accept that your writings will be changed by others. 
[07:32] <jsgotangco> 
[07:32] <jsgotangco>  Copyright
[07:32] <jsgotangco>  Everyone who draws, designs or writes something, has the copyright on it. Same way here. However, when you publish it here you agree to publishing it under the GNU Free Documentation License. You agree that it can be changed by others. Make sure you hold the copyright over material you publish. 
[07:32] <jsgotangco> 
[07:32] <jsgotangco>  License
[07:32] <jsgotangco>  See the link below every page.
[07:33] <jsgotangco> every page has a copyright and license notice :/
[07:55] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: I think Wikipedia has copyright/license on every page too
[08:05] <jsgotangco> maybe we should consider that too
[08:06] <Madpilot> the Moin template can probably be modified
[08:09] <jsgotangco> it needs consideration
[08:09] <jsgotangco> we don't have to worry much about copyright, just license would be a good target for now
[08:10] <Madpilot> my only concern with CC:PD is it's non-viral, but it's also simplest...
[08:11] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[08:12] <jsgotangco> can we make up our own derivative license? heh
[08:13] <Madpilot> there isn't a CC:SA license, and there really should be, for when you want viral-ness but don't care about attribution
[08:13] <jsgotangco> General Ubuntu License for the Public (GULP)
[08:13] <jsgotangco> section 1: Pig out
[08:13] <Madpilot> heh
[09:14] <mdke> Madpilot, non viral?
[09:17] <Madpilot> mdke: like the GPL - if you use GPL-licensed stuff, your stuff has to be GPL. With PD, there's no controls like that
[09:17] <mdke> and that is bad?
[09:18] <mdke> that's the whole point :D
[09:18] <Madpilot> depends
[09:18] <Madpilot> PD is simplest, for sure
[09:18] <jsgotangco> nonetheless we should still include a license
[09:18] <Madpilot> like I said earlier, it's too bad there isn't a CC:SA license
[09:19] <Madpilot> anyway, need sleep - later, all
[09:19] <mdke> night
[09:19] <mdke> Madpilot, hang on
[09:19] <Madpilot> still here...
[09:19] <mdke> if you aren't gonna remember your gpg key, best make another one (with a revocation cert. this time) and upload to launchpad
[09:19] <mdke> that way we can re-ask elmo
[09:20] <Madpilot> I'll do that tomorrow, more carefully than I made the first one!
[09:20] <mdke> cool
[09:20] <mdke> night
[09:20] <Madpilot> g'night
[09:22] <jsgotangco> hey mdke 
[10:04] <mdke> jsgotangco, hiya
[10:06] <jsgotangco> mdke: http://www.flickr.com/photos/headgeekette/
[10:08] <mdke> haha
[10:08] <mdke> hair cut and a tie eh
[10:09] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:09] <jsgotangco> scary
[10:12] <mdke> jsgotangco, what kubuntu docs are we releasing for dapper? I will make some pot templates
[10:12] <mdke> i've done releasenotes
[10:12] <mdke> quickguide i guess?
[10:12] <jsgotangco> quickguide yes
[10:12] <jsgotangco> dunno about desktop
[10:12] <jsgotangco> about kubuntu as well i guess
[10:13] <jsgotangco> its doable in LP?
[10:13] <mdke> of course
[10:13] <jsgotangco> i thought it wasn't before :/
[10:13] <mdke> the kubuntu docs are in the same format as the ubuntu ones
[10:14] <jsgotangco> xml-wise
[10:14] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:14] <mdke> there is no problem with translating them in the same way
[10:14] <jsgotangco> ok then, we'd love that
[10:14] <jsgotangco> how does it go when i update the doc?
[10:14] <jsgotangco> you create a new pot?
[10:14] <mdke> that's right
[10:14] <mdke> i won't upload the pots to rosetta yet anyway
[10:14] <jsgotangco> ahh
[10:15] <jsgotangco> okay
[10:15] <mdke> just exploring
[10:15] <jsgotangco> we'll do that when we freeze right?
[10:15] <mdke> maybe earlier
[10:15] <jsgotangco> ok
[10:15] <mdke> we can upload them, then update them
[10:15] <jsgotangco> can you remind the list when we're about to do that?
[10:15] <mdke> sure i will
[10:15] <jsgotangco> thanks
[10:16] <jsgotangco> at least it'll remind people who don't look at the timetable :/
[10:17] <jsgotangco> i'm also doing the other edubuntu stuff
[10:17] <mdke> yeah i saw
[10:17] <jsgotangco> but they're not that big so it should be easy
[10:18] <mdke> is all the edubuntu stuff in the repo used?
[10:18] <mdke> or is some other documentation being written elsewhere?
[10:18] <jsgotangco> no i'll just remove what's idle later
[10:18] <jsgotangco> its only 2 small docs
[10:18] <mdke> cool
[10:18] <mdke> and what about that other stuff you were keeping?
[10:18] <jsgotangco> i also need to update the upstream g-a-i then ask mvo to put it on the bzr or wherever the whole source is stored
[10:19] <mdke> erm
[10:19] <mdke> is that the current help documentation for that app?
[10:19] <mdke> they don't have it elsewhere?
[10:19] <jsgotangco> there's no doc for that app yet
[10:19] <mdke> can you get it added to gnome cvs or wherever is appropriate?
[10:20] <jsgotangco> yes i'll update it
[10:20] <jsgotangco> then have it added
[10:20] <mdke> i think you should have it added first, then update it
[10:20] <mdke> because right now, in our svn, it isn't being used for any package
[10:20] <jsgotangco> errr ok i'll try to do something about it later when i get to grab someone who maintains it
[10:21] <mdke> i think that is a good idea
[10:21] <mdke> mvo is around now I think
[10:22] <jsgotangco> due
[10:22] <jsgotangco> dude
[10:22] <jsgotangco> i'm still at work :/
[10:22] <jsgotangco> gimme a few hours :/
[10:32] <mdke> ah ok
[10:38] <rob> mdke, do you know if bzr has a tool to automatically import other bzr repos?
[10:40] <Kinnison> import other bzr repos?
[10:40] <Kinnison> bzr is self-contained-branch currently
[10:40] <Kinnison> so just cp the branch to make a new one
[10:43] <rob> ?
[10:43] <Kinnison> Well I don't see what you're trying to acheieve
[10:43] <Kinnison> Perhaps if you explain more, I can help
[10:43] <rob> Kinnison, I thought so
[10:43] <rob> nar, wget-ing it now
[10:44] <Kinnison> You can do that, or 'bzr branch http://blahblahblah'
[10:45] <rob> ah, thats what I was after, wget keeps trying to download the whole people.ubuntu.com
[10:45] <Kinnison> heh
[10:48] <rob> woah, it keeps wigging out
[10:49] <rob> is people.ubuntu.com password protected?
[10:49] <Kinnison> I don't believe so
[10:49] <Kinnison> what are you trying to branch?
[10:49] <Kinnison> (and I'll have a go from here)
[10:49] <rob> 'http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/gai--new-look/
[10:49] <rob> without the "'"
[10:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's there
[10:50] <rob> I know that, but I keep getting:
[10:50] <rob> bzr: ERROR: command: '/usr/bin/bzr' 'branch' 'http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/gai--new-look/'
[10:50] <rob> pwd: /home/rob/bazaar/gnome-app-install
[10:50] <rob> an integer is required
[10:50] <rob>   at /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib/builtins.py line 432, in run()
[10:50] <rob>   see ~/.bzr.log for debug information
[10:54] <rob> grr
[11:00] <hawking>  I am using privoxy but it doesn't work properly I mean .. when I look up if my IP is changed I see no difference can someone have a look at my privoxy configuration file and tell me why? here it is http://rafb.net/paste/results/cG3qzG18.html
[11:01] <rob> looks like you were using tor to me
[11:01] <rob> * hawknig (n=hawking@tor/session/x-1e49073314d71639) has joined #ubuntu-doc
[11:01] <hawking> rob : nope with web-browsing I mean
[11:01] <hawking> with firefox
[11:01] <hawking> tor works ok
[11:02] <rob> just set your firefox proxy to your privoxy
[11:02] <rob> then go to one of those ip checking websites
[11:02] <hawking> I already did
[11:02] <hawking> still same IP
[11:02] <rob> then its probably not working, or using a cached copy
[11:03] <hawking> hmm
[11:04] <hawking> no cached copies I visited some other sites still the same
[11:04] <hawking> :/ why is it not working? have ya looked at my conf file?
[11:04] <rob> no, but I would say something isn't configured correctly ;)
[11:05] <hawking> hehe
[11:06] <hawking> I'll try reinstalling
[11:09] <hawking> didn't work :/
[11:09] <hawking> I still have the same ip
[11:11] <hawking> this drives me crazy.... ?! what may be wrong
[11:11] <rob> they might have a forum or something that could help you
[11:11] <hawking> hopefully...
[11:12] <hawking> btw do you know what identd is?
[11:27] <mdke> hawking, you might need #ubuntu
[11:27] <hawking> I use tor I can't connect there
[11:28] <rob> this isn't a help channel
[11:28] <mdke> hawking, why not?
[11:28] <rob> mdke, tor is banned
[11:28] <mdke> why?
[11:28] <hawking> tor
[11:28] <mdke> why is tor banned?
[11:30] <rob> ask the ops
[11:30] <mdke> crazy
[11:30] <mdke> all the bans in there are on nicks@*
[11:30] <rob> on here they get a tor cloak
[11:30] <hawking> tor users caused great mess there I guess
[11:30] <rob> you can ban by cloak just as you do with hostname
[11:31] <mdke> 43 bans, jeez
[11:32] <jsgotangco> eh?
[11:35] <jsgotangco> later guys
[11:35] <jsgotangco> friday night =)
[11:36] <jsgotangco> mdke: next week is our meeting right?
[11:38] <mdke> not sure
[11:38] <mdke> hawking, best not to use tor then I suppose
[11:39] <hawking> mdke : my university doesn't let IRC
[11:39] <hawking> I'm in dormitory
[11:39] <hawking> no other way to connect
[11:40] <rob> why don't you set up a secure bnc somewhere?
[11:40] <hawking> secure bnc what's that?
[11:41] <rob> or even easier, just set up a shell account, ssh into it then irc though that
[11:41] <rob> as far as the uni will know, its just an ssh connection out
[11:42] <hawking> yeah that I can do
[11:43] <hawking> but then I'll need to use a console-based irc client
[11:43] <rob> irc is a text based medium
[11:43] <hawking> tor is the most comfortable way
[11:43] <hawking> and I can live without #ubuntu 
[11:43] <hawking> :)
[11:43] <hawking> anyway gotta go
[11:43] <hawking> bye
[11:43] <rob> except you can't get into #ubuntu :)
[05:31] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:58] <Bonzodog> um..quick question
[06:58] <Bonzodog> the <strike> tags don't work in the wiki?
[06:59] <Bonzodog> I need to put something in like that to indicate that it is no longer relevant....
[07:11] <Bonzodog> it doesn't support it
[07:11] <Bonzodog> amongst a few other formatting rules
[07:51] <mdke> the wiki doesn't use tags, but afaik there is no strike out font effect
[07:51] <mdke> Bonzodog, just remove stuff that isn't relevant, or if it is for an old version, make a note of that
[08:28] <Bonzodog> yeah found that out
[08:29] <Bonzodog> I was just updating the CC agenda
[08:29] <Bonzodog> and wanted to use strikeout so people could see that the item was no longer needed
[08:30] <Bonzodog> it appears that moinmoin is being replaced?
[08:32] <Bonzodog> I found a big item about moinmoin wiki's being ported to snipsnap
[08:46] <jjesse> mdke: ping
[08:58] <mdke> jjesse, yo
[08:59] <jjesse> sorry was in another window
[08:59] <mdke> Bonzodog, the Ubuntu wiki is certainly not being replaced. Where did you see that?
[08:59] <jjesse> i'm looking at About-Kubuntu and right now on d.u.c it shows 5.10 and Breezy Badger
[08:59] <mdke> right
[08:59] <mdke> that should be using the entities
[08:59] <jjesse> it is
[08:59] <jjesse> so where do i  change the entities?
[09:00] <jjesse> <-- slowly learning
[09:00] <mdke> hmm
[09:00] <mdke> good question
[09:01] <mdke> where is it importing entities?
[09:01] <jjesse> section right under the title
 Welcome to Kubunt &distro-re; : the &kdistor-version;
[09:01] <mdke> i mean, from where is it importing entities. We can check those files
[09:02] <mdke> you see em at the top
[09:02] <mdke> i've checked global.ent, its not there
[09:02] <jjesse> kde.ent?
[09:02] <jjesse> ../../libs/kde.ent
[09:03] <jjesse> found it
[09:04] <mdke> cool
[09:04] <jjesse> trunk/kubuntu/libs/kde.ent
[09:04] <mdke> hmm forum tab on the website?
[09:05] <jjesse> i'm updating about kubuntu right now so you can then release the translations
[09:06] <Bonzodog> mdke: my idea
[09:06] <Bonzodog> you don't get unless you ask
[09:06] <mdke> Bonzodog, problem is that the forum is one of 3 or 4 help resources, we don't have space to give each of them one tab
[09:06] <Bonzodog> even I didn't know where that one was going to come out
[09:06] <mdke> i like what henrik has done tho
[09:07] <Bonzodog> the forum isn't just about help in my opinion
[09:07] <Bonzodog> it's about community
[09:07] <mdke> Bonzodog, the forum staff continuously say that it is a helpdesk
[09:07] <Bonzodog> it is fast becoming a core of the community
[09:07] <Bonzodog> it's primary cause is a helpdesk of sorts
[09:07] <mdke> true, but then again, some of the other help resources are too
[09:07] <mdke> like irc, and mailing lists
[09:08] <mdke> and the wiki, etc
[09:08] <Bonzodog> the mailing lists are beyond an awful lot of people
[09:08] <mdke> Bonzodog, each resource has pros and cons
[09:08] <Bonzodog> I'm talking about easy simple communication
[09:08] <Bonzodog> for absolute newbies
[09:08] <mdke> no disagreement
[09:08] <Bonzodog> they understand the forums
[09:09] <mdke> but that doesn't mean the other resources are less significant
[09:09] <jjesse> part of me gets frustrated every time the wiki is given less and less importance, document storage, forums, etc
[09:09] <jjesse> why work on the wiki
[09:09] <Bonzodog> jesse: the wiki is often referred to as a secondary resource
[09:09] <mdke> jjesse, forums are good for asking questions and getting answers from people
[09:09] <Bonzodog> the same as udsf is
[09:09] <mdke> documentation has a different feel
[09:10] <jjesse> i can honestly say that i have used the forums maybe once or twice, everything else i have found on the wiki
[09:10] <mdke> jjesse, that's because you prefer to read first, rather than ask first
[09:10] <Bonzodog> jjesse: but the forums are also the place for users to meet other users
[09:10] <mdke> that's the reason both are equally important
[09:11] <mdke> Bonzodog, you can just remove that agenda item btw
[09:11] <Bonzodog> not all new users undrestand IRC and quite a few don't trust IRC
[09:11] <Bonzodog> I did
[09:11] <Bonzodog> thats why i asked about strike out
[09:11] <mdke> Bonzodog, just delete it?
[09:11] <mdke> and let's not focus on criticising other resources
[09:11] <mdke> let's focus on the pros
[09:11] <Bonzodog> well, some CC members have already read it
[09:12] <Bonzodog> so I thought it useful to point out that it had been erased
[09:12] <mdke> they can read the diff if they care. But if its resolved, they won't care
[09:17] <lloydinho> hey folks.
[09:17] <bustacap> hello
[09:17] <lloydinho> I'm new here, but want to contribute.
[09:17] <jjesse> hello lloydinho
[09:18] <lloydinho> Been looking at the various pages on how to contribute, and I'm certainly not very well versed with SVN or DocBook or anything like that
[09:19] <bustacap> lloydinho, are you comfortable editing HTML?
[09:19] <lloydinho> yeah. Reasonably so.
[09:19] <jjesse> lloydinho: you also just proofread and send changes to the mailing list
[09:20] <bustacap> well that's all you need, the DocBook format is XML, like HTML - it's just as intuitive
[09:20] <lloydinho> okay.
[09:20] <bustacap> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[09:20] <bustacap> I still have that page open when I work on the docs..
[09:20] <bustacap> it's pretty good..
[09:21] <lloydinho> yeah, I've looked through most of that..
[09:21] <lloydinho> it makes good enough sense, I guess - and I'll have to get used to it.
[09:21] <bustacap> does it still look fairly daunting?
[09:21] <jjesse> lloydinho: you could also just read the docs that are published on doc.ubuntu.com (these are the ones going into the next release) and submit changes to the mailing list
[09:21] <lloydinho> Okay, but I was just wondering about where to start
[09:21] <bustacap> the docs on doc.ubuntu.com are the ones that you will download off SVN
[09:22] <jjesse> pick a topic that you feel you are knowledge about and review them
[09:22] <lloydinho> yes, I've downloaded all of that stuff into SVN, already.
[09:22] <bustacap> well, start with the wiki page by downloading the SVN
[09:22] <bustacap> ok..
[09:22] <lloydinho> Okay.
[09:22] <bustacap> now read through doc.ubuntu.com and pick something you have some knowledge in
[09:22] <lloydinho> will do..
[09:22] <bustacap> I am sure the Server Starter Guide and the Kubuntu guys could do with some help
[09:23] <jjesse> kubuntu always needs love :)
[09:23] <bustacap> the Ubuntu Starter Guide has most of it's content
[09:23] <bustacap> :)
[09:24] <lloydinho> heh. unfortunately, I know very little about kubuntu.. most of my skills are in actual proof reading and presentation...
[09:24] <bustacap> lloydinho, also get yourself onto the doc team mailing list if you haven't already.. lists.ubuntu.com
[09:24] <jjesse> proof reading is what we need typos and stuff like that
[09:24] <bustacap> yeah, go through the Kubuntu guide..
[09:24] <lloydinho> I'll try that then..
[09:25] <bustacap> the key is lloydinho is to recognise that there are certain ways of formatting things as well..
[09:25] <lloydinho> yes, I saw the style guide..
[09:25] <bustacap> for instance, instead of - click "OK" - it should be - click <guibutton>OK</guibutton>
[09:25] <bustacap> yeah, it goes a little deeper than that..
[09:25] <lloydinho> I'll try to get a feel for that as well.
[09:26] <bustacap> I have found that some sections have been written really well, using all the right tags, and others haven't..
[09:26] <bustacap> you should be able to find one section that is sporting all the tags and use it as a reference, you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly
[09:26] <lloydinho> sounds good.
[09:26] <bustacap> and you get your name on the Credits ;)
[09:26] <lloydinho> heh ;-)
[09:27] <lloydinho> I'll try and play around with it for a bit.
[09:27] <lloydinho> It's just slightly daunting when you don't know who's working on what, and if you're doing the same work as somebody else.
[09:28] <lloydinho> I guess it's just a matter of getting used to working like that..
[09:36] <mdke> lloydinho, we'll help you along
[09:36] <lloydinho> mdke - thanks :)
[09:51] <bustacap> morning mdke
[09:53] <mdke> hi bustacap 
[09:53] <bustacap> I'm on holidays after this meeting :D
[09:53] <mdke> i can imagine
[09:53] <bustacap> haha :)
[09:54] <mdke> don't forget to relax by hacking up the desktopguide :)
[09:54] <bustacap> Just having a week off work, might do the same thing with the doc stuff
[09:54] <bustacap> hehe :)
[09:54] <bustacap> well I was going to hack the wiki offline on the plane
[09:54] <bustacap> I am preparing for a proposal to give it a good restructuring..
[09:55] <Bonzodog> meeting in 5 mins....mdke
[09:55] <Bonzodog> you joining us?
[09:55] <mdke> i may not be around for long I'm afraid
[09:55] <mdke> bustacap, you know that we're moving the wiki documentation right?
[09:56] <bustacap> yeah, what's the timing on that?
[09:57] <mdke> not sure, depends on a number of things
[09:57] <mdke> we need some coding from someone, and to sort the hosting out
[09:57] <mdke> but hopefully by dapper
[09:58] <bustacap> sure, that's fine, I hope to get my work in prior to the move..
[09:58] <mdke> okey
[09:58] <bustacap> I will make the proposal public before I do too much work..
[09:58] <bustacap> ok, I'm going to start the meeting off..
[10:49] <mdke> ok, who knows how to use sed?
[10:57] <bustacap> mdke, I know how.. I might wrap the meeting up shortly and I can give you a hand..
[10:57] <mdke> oh cool
[11:01] <mdke> ah awesome. /me notices some good feedback on the forum about the desktopguide
[11:07] <mdke> bustacap, i'm off the bed in a sec. This is the job:
[11:07] <mdke> see trunk/ubuntu/desktopguide/translate.sh
[11:07] <bustacap> yep..
[11:08] <mdke> I need something added to that which will sed through the content of ${y}/mk and replace every instance of "C" (capital C) with "${y}"
[11:10] <bustacap> I'll have a look at it and send you a mail..
[11:10] <mdke> bustacap, thanks a mill
[11:10] <mdke> night