[12:07] raphink: nice diagram [12:07] zyga: thanks :) [12:07] it's not really the diagram I mind about [12:07] but rather the use of it [12:07] which was to reorganize the MOTU Wiki doc in pseudo directories === _jason [n=jasonr@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.upenn.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.109] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] eh === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] ;) [12:16] the wold is a really strange place === _jason [n=jasonr@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.upenn.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] zyga: why? [12:18] http://www.suxx.pl/blog/index.php/2006/02/03/we-all-live-in-a-yellow-submarine-yellow-submarine/ [12:18] our government should be taken to another planet or thrown into a black hole [12:19] or at least sentenced for life doing hard, manual labour [12:19] or just shoot ... [12:19] what imbeciles [12:21] ;( [12:22] I really don't know how to express my exact feelings in english === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-66-163.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] hi \sh [12:59] <\sh> moins ajmitch [12:59] <\sh> how easy it is, to run tomcat5 and suns 1.5 jdk on dapper amd64 :) [01:01] no idea :) [01:01] <\sh> ajmitch: it is very easy :) [01:01] I've never felt the need to bludgeon myself with java [01:02] <\sh> ajmitch: well, when I did the work for this company last week, I had to deal with suse tomcat and java :) [01:02] ah [01:02] don't worry, I'm doing C# work next week [01:02] <\sh> ajmitch: fixed a couple of installation issues, fixed something inside their java sources (without having a clue about java) [01:03] <\sh> ajmitch: that's why I'm starting to learn a bit more java now :) [01:10] yay, new gtk# in sid [01:10] now I can upload f-spot === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa197.15.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] yay, BenC merged the ACPICA changes [01:20] hopefully my battery will show up & I can get info with the next kernel build [01:21] <\sh> ajmitch: i tested infinities madwifi-ng drivers... [01:21] <\sh> ajmitch: didn't work at all [01:21] :( [01:22] the main thing remaining is ALSA fixes for me [01:22] maybe if I'm bored on the plane... ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] dude [01:25] dude. [01:25] you're just going to the western island [01:26] yeah [01:26] it's just a short trip [01:26] western island [01:26] heh [01:26] afternoon tseng, gtk# hit incoming.d.o [01:26] hot [01:27] hi folks [01:27] \sh: there is a "how to sync with soyuz howto" somewhere? [01:28] <\sh> siretart: no..but there should be one :) [01:28] depends if anything actually changes with the move to soyuz [01:28] hi siretart [01:28] huhu ajmitch [01:31] \sh: I think this could be this spec: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/PackageSourceManagement [01:32] I wonder how many hours it'll take to build a kernel on my laptop [01:33] <\sh> siretart: but I don't think it's already implemented...well, we see the day after tomorrow :) [01:34] it's launchpad [01:34] don't expect it until after 2008 [01:34] wow [01:35] 2 year wait huh [01:35] just like going to mars [01:35] jsgotangco: we were meant to switch to malone last july [01:35] yeah [01:38] i don't know when we'll see the use of hct, and personal package archives, and all the other wonderful crack [01:39] we will see what happens. we cannot change that anyway [01:40] he somehow the distro team gets plagued while the lp team seem to go fine [01:41] it's a conspiracy [01:41] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds [01:41] 1 20 of 108831 results [01:41] I *love* paged results [01:42] ajmitch: better look hat https://staging.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+builds [01:42] siretart: I know [01:42] ajmitch: that one does have useful buildlogs [01:42] pl [01:42] ok [01:42] I was just commenting on the large number of results & the nasty UI that everyone complains about :) [01:43] siretart: conveniently, mpt lives about 2 minutes walk from me :) [01:44] > 1700 failed builds on staging [01:45] and no way to break them down by arch? [01:46] the launchpad guys are going to love the number of UI bugs we can file here.. [01:55] <\sh> I wonder if it's possible to attach a buildd environment from other machines then canonicals ;) [01:56] just completed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation :) [01:56] yeah [01:56] awesome [01:57] :) [01:58] \sh: depends on who they'll trust [01:58] <\sh> ajmitch: well, thinking of personal package archives :) it would be cool, if someone can attach his own buildd env. [01:58] yeah [01:58] -rw-r--r-- 1 ajmitch ajmitch 526M 2006-02-03 13:58 linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-15.20.tar.gz.new [01:58] and still growing [01:59] running debuild on a git checkout might not be smart ;) === Rexbron [n=chatzill@CPE00045a2e6056-CM014340029408.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] <\sh> I love ubuntu...ubuntu forever [02:07] <\sh> eclipse installation including all plugins I need, it's far more easy then on gentoo [02:08] mpt was wearing a good shirt to LCA - "Your Favourite Distro Sucks" [02:08] very true ;) [02:08] then why do I catch hell for being affliated with Ubuntu? [02:08] because ubuntu sucks [02:09] mitch..I was just owned by an exam, I don't feel like sarcasm [02:09] oh it wasn't sarcastic [02:09] ... [02:09] ubuntu does suck in many & numerous ways [02:10] Compared to things like SuSE....we are still behind [02:10] in certain areas [02:10] *cough*Yast*cough* [02:10] you don't need to cough [02:10] sorry [02:10] Kyral: you're volunteering to help porting yast ? [02:11] raphink: I had a mind to write a whole new app [02:11] oh nice :) [02:11] I've heard conflicting things about Yast4Debian [02:11] would you like to write us a new package manager like finkcommander, too? [02:12] I'll be impressed if you can pull off something comparable to what I've heard yast described as [02:12] ajmitch: yast is nuts [02:12] I installed OpenSuSE in a VM and was blown away [02:13] heh === jsgotangco uses OpenSuSE too in one machine === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] Only PITA was adding an Install Repo [02:13] Kyral: what's so special about it? [02:14] Uhh, setup everything in like 4 clicks at most [02:14] yeah adding repos and updating them are horrible [02:14] you can even go wild on xinted on yast [02:14] ajmitch: could you update the /topic and s/MOTUTodo/MOTU\/Documentation/ in it please? [02:14] You want a webserver, just fire up Yast and click click click done [02:15] it even adjusts IPTables for you [02:15] yeah, i almost used it straight for a week till i woke up [02:15] woke up? [02:15] and went back to reality [02:15] ??? [02:15] raphink: you can do it [02:15] (of using ubuntu) [02:15] heh [02:16] ajmitch: i'm not an admin here [02:16] raphink: neither am I [02:16] I mean I'm happy with Ubuntu [02:16] and the topic isn't locked [02:16] ajmitch: yes you are :p [02:16] Kyral, i understand how you feel [02:16] but I like saw it through the newbie eyes for a second [02:16] oh no you're level -1 [02:16] lol [02:16] Kyral, its extremely polished on the frontend stuff [02:16] sorry [02:16] jsgotangco: and thats what Newbies want [02:16] oooh there are only 2 admins here [02:16] Riddell and sladen [02:16] never seen sladen [02:17] he's around fairly often [02:17] not so active in this channel [02:17] ok [02:17] how come there are not more of them? [02:17] because there aren't [02:17] hehe ;) [02:17] good answer [02:17] Riddell: could you update the /topic and s/MOTUTodo/MOTU\/Documentation/ in it please? [02:17] raphink: I just told you, the topic is not locked [02:17] ah! [02:17] huhu [02:18] *blush* [02:18] heh === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:raphink] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | No uploads on Friday (Soyuz Rollout) === raphink blushes and thinks he should go to bed === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] <\sh> DESTROY JAVA [02:47] <\sh> how sick is this [02:47] <\sh> jCheckBox.addActionListener(new java.awt.event.ActionListener() { [02:47] <\sh> public void actionPerformed(java.awt.event.ActionEvent e) { [02:47] <\sh> System.out.println("actionPerformed()"); // TODO Auto-generated Event stub actionPerformed() [02:47] <\sh> jCheckBox.setText(jCheckBox.isSelected() ? "Message on" :"Message Off"); [02:47] <\sh> } [02:47] <\sh> }); [02:48] haha [02:48] java == evil [02:49] <\sh> well, I know what it does...but this is not in my style of pure OOP [02:49] ewww [02:49] EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW [02:51] yay, alsa 1.0.11rc3 [02:51] works with yoru laptop? [02:52] dunno yet [02:52] I've got to test it out [02:52] first step is to rebuild with the new acpi patches from benc's git tree [02:53] this trackpad is driving me nuts [02:53] garrr [02:53] then I might attempt to merge in the alsa tree [02:53] depends on how brave I'm feeling [02:57] <\sh> good night people :) [03:04] hrm libc6-dev is uninstallable [03:04] annoying === jsglaptop [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] Lathiat: how so? [03:11] ah i lied [03:11] im a tool [03:11] i had breezy sources in /etc/apt/sources.list [03:11] heh [03:11] i wgetted my standard sources.list [03:11] and forgot to breezy-.dapper === ajmitch wouldn't talk about you like that :) === Lathiat grins [03:12] not while you were listening, at any rate :) [03:16] yay, kernel is (slowly) compiling [03:16] in a few hours I might have something to play with [03:16] oohh sabdfl hit the local news === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-224.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:17] yeah he was on the front page of the local paper when he was here [03:18] we don't often get celebrities like him in town ;) [03:19] he was lowkey here but upbeat [03:20] Lathiat: have you played with using distcc & pbuilder? [03:21] ajmitch: nope [03:21] i saw some mention of a more official motu tools package now but i cant find any references to it? === ajmitch will have to hunt around for pbuilder info then [03:22] ajmitch: let me know i should probablky get both my machines vbuilding :) [03:22] pbuilder, distcc & ccache are probably useful to use together [03:22] looked at ccontrol? [03:23] ah ok i found those tools now, it was under the merging page [03:23] (oddly enough ;) === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] no, I haven't seen ccontrol [03:24] http://ccontrol.ozlabs.org i think [03:24] ah, more rusty code :) [03:24] do you trust code written by a porn star? ;) [03:24] . [03:25] heh [03:27] porn star? [03:27] Lathiat: distcc works with avahi? [03:27] ajmitch: yeh theres a patch for it lennart wrote [03:27] check the list archives [03:27] ok [03:40] Lathiat: the debian packaging patches on the ccontrol mailing list scare me === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-99-96.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] ajmitch: heh why [03:47] things like updating debian/changelog in configure [03:47] and the other patches are just stock dh_make [03:48] I see that xen is now going to be a toggleable option for the i386 arch, rather than an arch in itself [04:01] interesting [04:01] does it need hard support or can it still run native with xen compiled in? === _jason [n=jasonr@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.upenn.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral sighs [04:08] I think I know what to do === Kyral thinks about joining the FSF === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] yo jsgotangco [04:22] hey [04:22] sup? [04:22] dsl is shitty since morning [04:23] ah [04:23] I'm thinking about joining the FSF === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] Seems like the "right thing" :D [04:29] ..*shrug* [04:32] hrm, twisted-doc is b0rked === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-202-218.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] G'day all. Anyone with a debian sid box here ? if so, is nmap 4 available yet ? (sorry to bother, but p.d.o is down) === carthik [n=carthik@203.164.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] i don't have a sid box handy but i just checked the release file by hand and it seems it is [04:50] Yagisan: I use packages.qa.debian.org these days. http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nmap.html [04:52] thanks. nmap is main isn't it ? who should I bother to request a sync ? [04:53] Yagisan: we're in upstream version freeze now [04:53] so requests have to be worded nicely [04:53] I'd love to have 4.00-2 in Dapper, too, but I suppose if lamont could be persuaded to request it... [04:54] ajmitch: I'm very aware. 4 has massively reduced memory requirements, for starters :) [04:54] I suppose he'd know best :) [04:54] Yagisan: that's always a win [04:54] crimsun: I see a new alsa RC is out [04:55] crimsun: what pain do you have to go through to get that in? [04:55] ajmitch: meaning -driver, -lib, or -utils? :) [04:56] I was mainly looking at -driver :) [04:56] ah, that wouldn't be too bad. What do I need to backport? [04:56] not sure, I haven't tried it out yet [04:57] my laptop has been building a kernel from the git tree for the last couple of hours [04:57] I'll try & get the latest driver source built as extra modules so I can test it again [04:58] great, testing -driver 1.0.11rc3 would help [04:58] yeah, I just have to see how easy it is to go from upstream tarball to debian packages [04:59] ok, building kernel image 4 of 5.. this takes awhile [05:00] the kludgy way is to take experimental's 1.0.11rc2 alsa-source, extract it, extract upstream 1.0.11rc3, copy 1.0.11rc2/debian to 1.0.11rc3/., then do the normal fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build KVERS=$(uname -r) [05:01] :) nmap 4 has already been requested :) [05:01] Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [05:01] crimsun: sounds nasty enough [05:02] I'll give it a try in a couple of hours, once I have a kernel to use [05:02] cool === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alexandr@Toronto-HSE-ppp3716067.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] you robitaille [05:42] yo even [05:43] hi Kyral [05:43] hello robitaille [05:43] hi ajmitch [06:03] so, [06:03] yep [06:04] http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lib3ds/+bug/3711 [06:04] malone bug 3711 in lib3ds "Incompatibility with GCC4 optimization" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [06:05] using -O0 makes his test work [06:05] i assume the optimization breaks it just by that it returns a different value [06:05] with -O0 it seems to work on his example, is putting -O0 in the package a sane fix for now? [06:06] possibly [06:07] hrm, i found a patch === Lathiat kicks sourceforge [06:08] work damn you :( [06:08] sf really is crap [06:13] ok i got a patch that was put in lib3ds cvs that fixes it [06:13] sounds like a better idea to me :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:14] crimsun: rc3 seems to be no different === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:34] ajmitch: ok, that's what I figured, since there didn't seem to be major changes to the alc260 init code [07:34] thanks for testing [07:35] crimsun: I had impressive failures with the new ACPI code though :) === carthik [n=carthik@user-0cej755.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [n=sz@p5089F586.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === at1as [n=at1as@24-247-15-243.static.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch [i=ajmitch@port161-160.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === whiprush [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sebest [n=sebest@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nmsa [n=seba@218.1.141.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TerminX [n=terminx@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] ajmitch: http://www.flickr.com/photos/headgeekette/ [08:55] see zakame get starstruck [08:55] heh [08:56] hah, great :) [08:57] of course you were cool & treated it like nothing happened [08:57] since you're a famous celebrity yourself ;) [08:57] oh shut up [08:57] sabdfl looks professional in a suit [08:58] like a manager :) [08:58] yeah === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-71-101.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.39.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.195.224] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] good morning [09:48] hello dholbach & others === nlindblad [n=nlindbla@user179.217-10-120.netatonce.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] who knew about the unrar/unrar-nonfree situation? [10:08] morning all [10:14] situation? [10:14] you mean only the nonfree one is useful? [10:15] more that [10:15] they moved the unrar-nonfree source to making the binary 'unrar' [10:15] and its uninstallable [10:15] i think it needs some poking === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-44-196.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === detoxv [n=madd@206.125.55.209] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.223.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.39.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.192.198] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:31] <\sh> so far to the ubuntu/debian diversion questions === j^ [n=j@e178002214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:36] \sh: ? [11:37] morning [11:37] <\sh> siretart: see dapper-changes and lamonts uploads :) [11:37] yes, I've seen that === siretart sighs [11:43] <\sh> siretart: well..that's what I meant...sometimes you can forget filing bugs to debian, especially with those little friendly uploads :) [11:43] <\sh> or in other words: how should we deal with those changes? [11:44] \sh: that was exactly my question [11:45] \sh: as far as I've seen, most of the recent uploads just change the build deps. so they are not likely to cause headaches when merging next time [11:45] my concern is rather about divergence, which does cause headache [11:46] <\sh> siretart: you mean real patches? or "I don't want to change to cdbs" packages like "gajim"... [11:49] \sh: 'real' patches is a rather fuzzy expression, but I think we mean the same. [11:49] \sh: I don't know what happened re: gajim === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa197.15.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:50] <\sh> siretart: debian has cdbs, we use debhelper ( which is better right now, because I'm trying to make gajim python policy compatible) === doko [n=doko@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:51] \sh: why didn't you put yourself in the maintainer field then? [11:51] if Yann doesn't accept your debhelper debian/rules, I don't see much point in calling him 'maintainer' [11:53] <\sh> because he debianized the package the first time with debhelper....that's why....but the "changing maintainer" or "hijacking the package in ubuntu" is something, I want to have a clear statement from TB somehow. [11:54] why bug the tb with that? [11:54] that not really a technical question [11:55] well, in some ways it is, but I hope you get what I mean [11:58] <\sh> siretart: because it could help sabdfls request to use the whole debian namespace ;) [11:58] ? === raptoid [n=raptoid@81.213.132.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:01] <\sh> siretart: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageVersionConflicts [12:02] <\sh> siretart: we had a small discussion about this before and during ubz...and changing the maintainer e.g. to "Ubuntu Developers " would fit into this (IMHO) [12:03] <\sh> but I didn't see the "when we package new software..." === siretart rolls eyes [12:05] fairly thin for a spec. never really discussed, not on tb agenda. [12:06] <\sh> siretart: yes..it was dropped :) === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] \sh: why the ':)'? [12:08] sorry, I don't consider this funny at all, but rather frustrating [12:09] oh, jdong applied for ubuntu-dev [12:19] <\sh> hmmm..who did work with him? [12:19] <\sh> (motu work I mean) [12:19] <\sh> siretart: the :) was more a finger practice...I'm not completly awake === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@82.109.136.125] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] bug #29958 [12:37] malone bug 29958 in monodevelop "Monodevelop requires MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME environment variable be set to start" [Normal,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/29958 [12:38] lemme check [12:47] hi, I uploaded a package to REVU this night before my GPG key was added to the REVU keyring. It looks like the package has been correctly uploaded as dput tells me "Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de" but it doesn't show up on the webpage. Did I do something wrong or do I have to wait a little longer ? (or am I asking silly questions on the wrong chan :)) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] Toadstool: I just reprocessed your upload manually [01:20] ok thank you very much === jinty [n=jinty@196-28-44-199.jhb.netdial.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] Morning [01:58] hmm, how should I mention the need for autoconf in build requirements? [01:58] good afternoon Kyral :) [01:59] Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.23-1.1), autotools-dev, debhelper (>= 5), kdelibs4-dev (>= 3.5) [01:59] that's what I have atm, but it gets no autoconf [02:00] Isn't depends on Build-Essential assumed? [02:01] autoconf isn't b-e [02:01] teprrr: why do you need autoconf? [02:01] Yah just saw that >_< [02:01] teprrr: how about depending on autoconf [02:02] azeem, to run make -f Makefile.cvs [02:02] Wait wait wait [02:02] azeem, and that to avoid having a large diff with autoconf-created stuff === susus [n=sz@p5089EC74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] this package has its CVS stuff still there? [02:03] Kyral, yup [02:03] teprrr: what does Makefile.cvs do? [02:03] azeem, it creates configure script [02:03] ah, ok [02:04] using autoconf at build time might break the package when autoconf changes in unexpected ways [02:05] I am not sure on the current policy, but when you want to go down that road, then yes, you need to add it to Build-Depends [02:05] yes, that's what Riddell told me too.. [02:05] teprrr: try to get rid of the CVS stuff (like /trunk) === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] but anyway I need breakfast [02:06] though I'm gonna still try to convince the developer to run it before the packaging === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] azeem: packaging kde stuff? [02:08] no, just trying to helpful [02:08] +be [02:09] it remakes Makefile.in and configure as said [02:09] try to avoid it if possible, but it's not always possible [02:09] yeah, the developer doesn't want to have a big source package.. :P [02:10] that's egoistic :) [02:10] that's braindead [02:10] if he doesn't want big source packages don't use an autoconf build-system [02:11] ./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found [02:11] *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!. [02:12] mmh, and it has autoconf depend and it installed autoconf 2.59 .. [02:12] I'm talking about pbuilder run [02:12] teprrr: check that cvs.sh script [02:14] it points to $AUTOCONF, though I can't see where it's set.. [02:14] ah, indeed, it's not set at all.. but mmh [02:14] maybe they want you to export it first [02:15] hmmh, maybe I should first try to talk to the developer.. === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] teprrr: automake1.9 too? === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpatrick [n=patrick@198.Red-83-37-102.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] Riddell, ah yes, seemed to work now === raptoid [n=raptoid@81.213.132.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] Riddell, should I somehow clean up/remove Makefile.in after the install or..? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@3e44acc1.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] hi people === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.60.199] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-141-88.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.192.198] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] teprrr: yes, some make target does that [03:43] make distclean maybe === _freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.4] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-72-33.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.228.27] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] siretart: ping === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@84.5.35.42] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] raphink: pong [04:48] siretart: hello :) [04:48] hello :) [04:48] siretart: I'm trying to see if it could be possible to automatize the debuild && debuild -S test on tiber [04:49] doesn't seem possible though, without a dapper chroot [04:49] do you see any option? [04:49] hi Gloubiboulga [04:50] hello raphink [04:50] merci pour la publication des commentaires raphink [04:51] de rien Gloubiboulga [04:51] raphink: I'd rather use sbuild for that. but even then, its somewhat dangerous to run unchecked code as root [04:51] continue comme a c'est trs utile :) [04:51] et tu fais de bons commentaires [04:51] siretart: ic [04:51] siretart: do you think pbuilder could be used for this? [04:51] revu-build uses pbuilder [04:51] couldn't pbuilder help generating a report on debuild && debuild -S [04:52] ? [04:52] <\sh> et voila ejabberd 1.0.0 on my hoary [04:52] :) [04:52] \sh: did you just restart jabberme.net? [04:52] ah, obviously :) [04:52] <\sh> siretart: I installed ejabberd 1.0 and restarted yes :) [04:53] siretart: the thing is that debuild test is quite the only test thing I miss to review stuff entirely on tiber :) [04:53] everything else can be automatized [04:53] \sh: does this one finally cope with umlauts in the icq transport? ;) [04:53] <\sh> siretart: no...that has nothing to do with it.......I'm working on pyicq this night :) [04:53] siretart: as in, generating all the necessary reports to review a package entirely on the REVU web interface [04:53] raphink: what do you exactly mean with debuild test? whats missing from the buillog from pbuilder? [04:54] siretart: [04:54] \sh: ah, so the transports are completly separate problem. ic [04:54] debuild && debuild -S -sa [04:54] to see what files need to be cleaned [04:54] this cannot be found === pollo [n=olopez@148.Red-83-50-57.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] raphink: oh. interesting test.. [04:54] I'm interested in the diff.gz created when running debuild && debuild -S [04:55] siretart: indeed, but I need a chroot to do it [04:55] raphink: I'd rather implement it as pbuilder hook, because we use pbuilder for now anyway [04:55] <\sh> siretart: yes :) [04:55] so that so far I have to get the files on my machine and run it there [04:55] siretart: if that's possible it would be great [04:56] raphink: look at the pbuilder documentation. it has a very flexible way of doing hooks [04:56] siretart: basically what I need to do is this : [04:56] debuid && debuild -S in the source [04:56] then [04:56] gzip -d $package.diff.gz [04:56] grep orig $package.diff [04:56] and check that only files from debian/ are there [04:57] siretart: ok === raphink dives into the pbuilder man [04:58] raphink: I don't want to build a package twice. [04:58] \sh: are you by chance at 'chemnizer linux tag'? [04:59] siretart: I understand that [04:59] <\sh> siretart: no.. [04:59] but then I need to debuild -S in the pbuilder _before_ the bpuilder stuff ends [04:59] and i'm not sure this is possible [04:59]